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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2015, 07:50:04 PM »

Wow, what a dramatic play by a guy (Butler) who one can call a rookie, making the big catch to preserve his team's victory in the most important game of his career.


I'm pretty sure everyone can call him a rookie.

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2015, 02:21:18 AM »
While Seattle had amassed a sizeable lead at the half

It was 14-14 at the half.


Corrected.

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2015, 02:21:18 AM »

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #78 on: May 11, 2015, 06:18:39 PM »
So beating a woman = 2 games but deflating footballs = 4 games?

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #79 on: May 11, 2015, 08:15:25 PM »
So beating a woman = 2 games but deflating footballs = 4 games?

Both jokes, as is the entire NFL system of punishment!
There is no consistency between suspensions for similar infractions. Donte Stallworth kills someone and gets a full season, Josh Brent kills someone and gets 10 games.
Vick gets 2 years for dog fighting charges. So is the NFL saying that dogs lives are worth more than human lives?

Then there are infractions outside the NFL that the league views worse than cheating in the NFL. How does Terrelle Pryor get 5 games for receiving improper benefits in college and Tom Brady gets 4 games for cheating in the actual NFL?

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #80 on: May 12, 2015, 07:30:22 AM »
The thing with Rice though is Goodell admitted it was a mistake. Sent letters to all the owners explaining that and then suspended Rice indefinitely.. Im glad to see them throw the book at Brady... Got to treat this as an individual thing.. a guy who cheated but even worse it seems covered up and lied...

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #81 on: May 12, 2015, 09:37:12 AM »
As someone who is simply a very casual football fan and might not even have all the details, 4 games seems like pretty ridiculous overkill. It's a quarter of the season. That's like if Ovechkin was suspended 20 games for playing with an illegal curve or if Price was suspended 20 for playing with bigger pads.

Also, I followed a bit of what that report said, but I thought it didn't even really come to a 100% conclusion that Brady was involved. Surprised they can issue a suspension of that length with that type of evidence. I'm sure this will get appealed and dropped to 2 games.

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #82 on: May 12, 2015, 09:40:09 AM »
although really tough to totally prove, the evidence in report is pretty overwhelming...Not co-operating totally is a big issue for NFL

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #83 on: May 12, 2015, 09:54:14 AM »
As someone who is simply a very casual football fan and might not even have all the details, 4 games seems like pretty ridiculous overkill. It's a quarter of the season. That's like if Ovechkin was suspended 20 games for playing with an illegal curve or if Price was suspended 20 for playing with bigger pads.


I think it's a lot more serious than that.  It would be like Price or Ovechkin somehow altering the pucks somehow to their advantage.  Obviously, in hockey both teams play with the same puck so it's not really a comparable situation, but you could imagine what a huge advantage it would be if somehow the puck was easier for one team to shoot, pass, receive, stickhandle etc.

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #84 on: May 12, 2015, 10:04:34 AM »
I think it's a lot more serious than that.  It would be like Price or Ovechkin somehow altering the pucks somehow to their advantage.  Obviously, in hockey both teams play with the same puck so it's not really a comparable situation, but you could imagine what a huge advantage it would be if somehow the puck was easier for one team to shoot, pass, receive, stickhandle etc.

Yeah I realized it wasn't exactly the same situation, still can't wrap my head around the difference being large enough to go from a 2-minute penalty to 25% of the season.

One question: how exactly did the Pats get away with this? Doesn't somebody test the balls to check?

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #85 on: May 12, 2015, 10:08:35 AM »
I stole this off the internet:

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NFL to Sean Payton: "You didn't know about it, but that's not an excuse."

NFL to Pats Leadership: "You didn't know about it, but that's not an excuse."

But when the Ray Rice video came to light, Goodell said "It's not my fault, I didn't know about it."

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #86 on: May 12, 2015, 10:10:54 AM »
One question: how exactly did the Pats get away with this? Doesn't somebody test the balls to check?

From what I've heard, and I hope I have this correct, but the balls were locked away and the Pats training staff went in and changed the balls when the overseer of the game balls went to the washroom.  Something to that effect.

Like you, I'm nothing but a marginal football fan.  But I still can't comprehend how the NFL allows each team to doctor 15 balls to their specifications and needs.  Why the league doesn't distribute standardized game balls is beyond me.  It'd be like MLB allowing each team to do whatever they want with 50 baseballs prior to a game.

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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #87 on: May 12, 2015, 10:13:31 AM »
Like you, I'm nothing but a marginal football fan.  But I still can't comprehend how the NFL allows each team to doctor 15 balls to their specifications and needs.  Why the league doesn't distribute standardized game balls is beyond me.  It'd be like MLB allowing each team to do whatever they want with 50 baseballs prior to a game.

Yeah, that really seems crazy to me. I also have a very hard time believing that this isn't somewhat common in the game (which might mean I guess that the NFL was just sending the entire league a message here with the suspension).
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Re: 2014/2015 - NFL Season - Manziel, Manziel, Manziel, Manziel
« Reply #88 on: May 12, 2015, 11:37:04 AM »
"In sum, the data did not provide a basis for us to determine with absolute certainty whether there was or was not tampering as the analysis of such data ultimately is dependent upon assumptions and information that is not certain."

Pathetic.