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Offline drummond

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« Reply #270 on: January 05, 2013, 06:25:57 AM »
lots of things went wrong with this team Canada

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« Reply #271 on: January 05, 2013, 06:50:30 AM »
Allowing 11 goals in the semi+bronze wont get you a medal even if it was close. Canada showed the determination they have in this game to come back, which is a great strength but it doesn't help with a goaltending and defence that is average. Even though Nugent-Hopkins has scored lots of points I have not been that impressed, I don't think that Hamilton has been all that great either. The coaching should be replaced. And perhaps Canada should do what Team USA and Sweden have done. Sweden looked a bit at what USA did right for several years ago. We had lots of meetings with coaches, scouts, former NHL players etc to discuss what needed to improve, we also invested a lot in becoming better at developing goalies. Remember the time when Sweden had Salo and Soderstrom and that was it? Now we have like I dunno maybe 15 goalies in NHL+AHL.

And if we look at the current champions in SEL, Brynäs, who are producing a lot of top talent to NHL. We currently have 8 swedish players under 22 on our roster. One of them being Elias Lindholm, probably a 1ppg player in the NHL in the future. Same team that produced Backstrom, Markstrom, Lindback, Silfverberg etc.

I think that Canada needs to work on discipline and skating too. I think that why USA are succesful is because they've adapted a style that is a mix of a European and North American style. They play with a lot of speed, quite rough and a lot of discipline. 
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #271 on: January 05, 2013, 06:50:30 AM »

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« Reply #272 on: January 05, 2013, 06:55:36 AM »
I agree on Hamilton Stebro, I think he's definitely an NHL'er, but I don't think he's as special as some people do.

I mentioned earlier about Murphy, he is too much of a luxury, he strikes me as an AHL'er, just disgusting in his own zone.

As for Nuge, TSN needs to drop the hero worship, he disappeared in pretty much the only game he needed to strap them to his back, the semi.

Oh and MacKinnon did not get that much of a scoring role, but he did not look like an overwhelming 1st overall pick and yes that's accounting for the fact he is very young.

The Canadian coach takes more than half the blame though, he was an abject failure.

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« Reply #273 on: January 05, 2013, 07:01:32 AM »
I agree on Hamilton Stebro, I think he's definitely an NHL'er, but I don't think he's as special as some people do.

I mentioned earlier about Murphy, he is too much of a luxury, he strikes me as an AHL'er, just disgusting in his own zone.

As for Nuge, TSN needs to drop the hero worship, he disappeared in pretty much the only game he needed to strap them to his back, the semi.

Oh and MacKinnon did not get that much of a scoring role, but he did not look like an overwhelming 1st overall pick and yes that's accounting for the fact he is very young.

The Canadian coach takes more than half the blame though, he was an abject failure.
Yeah what bothered me against USA was the gap control. Maybe Canada had too many offensive d-men. But I don't get how the coach couldn't fix that, it was so obvious. They gave speedy Americans space. Do that to any good team and you will pay for it sooner or later. And taking 4 penalties in the last period while you're down is never bright. Especially not in the offensive zone. I'm not sure how that works in general in Canada. But I swear if you'd take a stupid penalty for Sweden while the team trails and you're name isn't Forsberg, Sundin or Lidstrom, then you would face the bench. The only ok penalty is to prevent the other team from scoring.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #274 on: January 05, 2013, 08:32:20 AM »
A question for those familair with the Swedish lineup, the commentators mentioned the Swedes are missing four talented dman at this tournament.

I also heard Tom Nilsson has been playing well, is he a guy that's there to cover for injuries or would he have made the team anyway?

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« Reply #275 on: January 05, 2013, 08:41:10 AM »
A question for those familair with the Swedish lineup, the commentators mentioned the Swedes are missing four talented dman at this tournament.

I also heard Tom Nilsson has been playing well, is he a guy that's there to cover for injuries or would he have made the team anyway?
No, he would have made it anyways, he's probably been our most stabile d-man. Not a flashy player, but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes and can handle being pressured while having the puck.

Not a good period by Sweden, fortunately we've got a good goalie, I think that he had better sv% than Gibson before this game.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #276 on: January 05, 2013, 08:46:53 AM »
I think that why USA are succesful is because they've adapted a style that is a mix of a European and North American style. They play with a lot of speed, quite rough and a lot of discipline. 


I always noticed that about the U.S. and how they've come to adapt their hockey program over the years in featuring a unique blend of the Euro & N.A. style of play.  Perhaps what we could also say is that this year's version of the U.S. team best incorporates all of that very well.

Hockey Canada needs to revamp somewhat.  The talent is there but somehow there is also some sort of 'disconnect', and I believe it should begin with management on down.  Team Canada coach Steve Spott came across devoid of any real imagination to improvise and help steer his players in the proper positive direction.

Oh well. What's been done, has been done.  I'm expecting far better results next year.
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« Reply #277 on: January 05, 2013, 08:55:36 AM »
1-0 Sweden, not far in total, but hey, I'll take it. Sandberg who scored was a forward that came in as a reserve.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #278 on: January 05, 2013, 09:12:16 AM »
Going home without a medal for the first time in 14 years hurts. What the bleep happened?

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« Reply #279 on: January 05, 2013, 09:13:48 AM »
We're definately gonna lose the gold if we continue like this. Too tense, too many mistakes in our own zone.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #280 on: January 05, 2013, 09:37:10 AM »
What a collapse. I had a bad feeling about this one all the way from training  camp starting with Subban's poor play then followed by the loss to Finland to the myriad of suspensions, to the high goals against Germany, to the lack of coherent play in half the games, to the complaints against the officials.

The talent should have been there but the team just didn't execute. I honestly think the coaching and management did this team in.

Hopefully it will force Hockey Canada to wake up and smell the coffee and really reevaluate what has gone wrong in the last few years. Other teams have caught up while we've stopped improving. Unacceptable.
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« Reply #281 on: January 05, 2013, 10:03:15 AM »
I know most don't care fort the gold medal game right now. But it looks like these last 5 mins may be exciting. Being american I am all USA of course

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« Reply #282 on: January 05, 2013, 10:10:37 AM »
GOLD FOR USA :)  Love it

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« Reply #283 on: January 05, 2013, 10:11:29 AM »
Congrats to Team USA. I don't expect us to win, when we only play well for 20/60 minutes. The thing that annoys me the most is they pass too much in the wrong situations, they have to learn to play more simple.
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« Reply #284 on: January 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM »
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