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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #660 on: August 30, 2018, 02:55:22 AM »
Looks like Josh Donaldson's rehab stint in Dunedin is not going as well as planned.  Donaldson played Tuesday but reports indicate that he had been "scratched" from the lineup due to recurring problems.

This places in jeopardy his being placed on waivesr for the required time frame.  The waiver trade deadline is Friday.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/2018/08/29/josh-donaldson-trade-pursuit-hits-roadblock.html

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« Reply #661 on: August 30, 2018, 08:48:23 AM »
Kendrys Morales & Marco Estrada have reportedly cleared  waivers:


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« Reply #662 on: August 30, 2018, 11:59:52 AM »
Goodby Kendry, goodby Marco, wish it was goodbye to Donnyson as he has become a farmer, continually nursing his calfs.
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« Reply #663 on: August 30, 2018, 01:27:27 PM »
Goodby Kendry, goodby Marco, wish it was goodbye to Donnyson as he has become a farmer, continually nursing his calfs.

What did you hear? I doubt Morales gets moved.
 

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« Reply #664 on: August 30, 2018, 02:05:26 PM »
Goodby Kendry, goodby Marco, wish it was goodbye to Donnyson as he has become a farmer, continually nursing his calfs.

Clearing waivers doesn't mean anything is imminent or will happen. This discussion occurs literally every year at this time.

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« Reply #665 on: August 30, 2018, 02:40:46 PM »
A depressing state of affairs in Toronto.

Do Atkins and Shapiro even know they work for the Jays? Given a contender and the best attendance and viewership. Atkins and Shapiro raise prices, resign no one, trade no one and shop at the Dollarama.

Enjoy your lack of ticket sales and viewership you earned it.
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« Reply #666 on: August 30, 2018, 02:55:21 PM »
And meanwhile

Alex Anthopoulos has resurrected the Braves

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« Reply #667 on: August 30, 2018, 03:06:04 PM »
And meanwhile

Alex Anthopoulos has resurrected the Braves

I would love to hear your take on what Anthopoulos did to resurrect the Braves. He has been there less than a year, inherited the #1 farm system in all of baseball and made no moves (salary drop of Kemp? anything else?) prior to the start of this season.

Meanwhile people crap on guys who actually are good GM's....

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« Reply #668 on: August 30, 2018, 03:18:44 PM »
A depressing state of affairs in Toronto.

Do Atkins and Shapiro even know they work for the Jays? Given a contender and the best attendance and viewership. Atkins and Shapiro raise prices, resign no one, trade no one and shop at the Dollarama.

Enjoy your lack of ticket sales and viewership you earned it.

They inherited a contender who had very short window of contention left. Pretty much every player that made the Jays a contender has declined drastically since the end of the 2016 season, either due to age or injury.

The top 10 position players by fWAR from the 2015 season produced 33 fWAR over the entire season, those same 10 players have produced 3.4 fWAR in 2018 for whatever team they play for now.

The top 10 position players by fWAR from the 2016 season produced 25.1 fWAR over the entire season, those same 10 players have produced 4.0 fWAR in 2018 for whatever team they play for now.

No matter who was in charge, that type of decline from your top players would be very difficult to overcome, a rebuild was always around the corner. Most publications have the Jays with a top 5 farm system and there are some interesting players with control on the MLB team right now. There is also lots of money coming off the books over the next few years.

I'm actually pretty optimistic for the future of the Jays.

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« Reply #669 on: August 30, 2018, 03:59:26 PM »
And meanwhile

Alex Anthopoulos has resurrected the Braves

I would love to hear your take on what Anthopoulos did to resurrect the Braves. He has been there less than a year, inherited the #1 farm system in all of baseball and made no moves (salary drop of Kemp? anything else?) prior to the start of this season.

Meanwhile people crap on guys who actually are good GM's....


Sorry.... wasn't aware that most of the Braves  moves were Pre-Anthopoulolos.

Still think he got a raw deal from the Jays though

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« Reply #670 on: August 30, 2018, 04:17:55 PM »
And meanwhile

Alex Anthopoulos has resurrected the Braves

I would love to hear your take on what Anthopoulos did to resurrect the Braves. He has been there less than a year, inherited the #1 farm system in all of baseball and made no moves (salary drop of Kemp? anything else?) prior to the start of this season.

Meanwhile people crap on guys who actually are good GM's....


Sorry.... wasn't aware that most of the Braves  moves were Pre-Anthopoulolos.

Still think he got a raw deal from the Jays though

I also think AA got a raw deal from the Jays. The team from 2014 to 2015 had a new starter for every position player except for Joey Bats in right field. And the team AA brought together in 2015 was a legitimate championship contender.

Also, a lot of the top prospects the Jays have now are a result of moves made by AA. IMO, the only player of significance he traded away was Syndergaard.

He did better than every Jays GM since Gillick.
 

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« Reply #671 on: August 30, 2018, 05:02:19 PM »
A depressing state of affairs in Toronto.

Do Atkins and Shapiro even know they work for the Jays? Given a contender and the best attendance and viewership. Atkins and Shapiro raise prices, resign no one, trade no one and shop at the Dollarama.

Enjoy your lack of ticket sales and viewership you earned it.

They inherited a contender who had very short window of contention left. Pretty much every player that made the Jays a contender has declined drastically since the end of the 2016 season, either due to age or injury.

The top 10 position players by fWAR from the 2015 season produced 33 fWAR over the entire season, those same 10 players have produced 3.4 fWAR in 2018 for whatever team they play for now.

The top 10 position players by fWAR from the 2016 season produced 25.1 fWAR over the entire season, those same 10 players have produced 4.0 fWAR in 2018 for whatever team they play for now.

No matter who was in charge, that type of decline from your top players would be very difficult to overcome, a rebuild was always around the corner. Most publications have the Jays with a top 5 farm system and there are some interesting players with control on the MLB team right now. There is also lots of money coming off the books over the next few years.

I'm actually pretty optimistic for the future of the Jays.

Agreed 100%

Not to mention the fact that David Price alone pretty much solidified that playoff appearance and was gone the following year.

As for the farm system, AA left a few (not "a lot") top prospects, to be sure, but below them was a vast empty space of absolute nothingness.

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« Reply #672 on: August 30, 2018, 05:06:45 PM »
And meanwhile

Alex Anthopoulos has resurrected the Braves

I would love to hear your take on what Anthopoulos did to resurrect the Braves. He has been there less than a year, inherited the #1 farm system in all of baseball and made no moves (salary drop of Kemp? anything else?) prior to the start of this season.

Meanwhile people crap on guys who actually are good GM's....


Sorry.... wasn't aware that most of the Braves  moves were Pre-Anthopoulolos.

Still think he got a raw deal from the Jays though

No need to apologize, that did sound a bit testy on my end, which wasn't my intention ;)

I disagree about him getting a raw deal though. He promised 3 playoff appearances in 5 years when he took over...they had 0. Then he went all-in for a tiny window of contention. We got to see some great playoff baseball briefly so hey, it wasn't a complete disaster I guess.


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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #673 on: August 30, 2018, 06:17:00 PM »

If Atkins and Shapiro are planning to do what Anthopoulous couldn't, build a sustainably competitive team around home grown talent, then it's pretty likely they'd have told Rogers' brass to expect a couple of fairly lean years in terms of revenues.

People can complain about that all they want but the Yankees and Dodgers have repeatedly shown us that there just isn't any avenue to winning beyond that. No amount of money spent on free agents can build as good a team as the one you build internally.
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Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Reply #674 on: August 31, 2018, 08:01:30 AM »
What's up JD?


Donaldson, who is currently on rehab assignment in Dunedin (Single A ball), returned to the lineup Thursday (yesterday) after being on the sidelines the day before beset by recurring soreness problems.

The Bringer of Rain hit a solo home run in his comeback Thursday.

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