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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by 50 Mission Cap on August 13, 2019, 05:21:22 PM »
I think it's best to just relax and wait. From the players side of the equation, all have said they're confident that something will get done. The only people talking about offer sheets and trades are the media folk. And rightly so, they have to earn a living and it's got to be tough writing about the Leafs in the dog days of summer.

If I was a betting man, and I'm not, I'd wager that both sides believe they have a solid framework to build on and putting on the finishing touches won't take long. So, rather than spoil a beautiful summer in the Muskokas, they take a break and agree to reconvene in late August to finalize things.
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by Bullfrog on August 13, 2019, 05:15:59 PM »
Do you think that would really change much? To me it feels like the offer sheet market is dead mostly because GMs don't want to step on each others toes. It's just a dumb culture thing that I don't see really changing. I can't imagine it's the fear of the compensation that's preventing guys like Laine and Tkachuk from getting offer sheets under $8.5mil (the 1st, 2nd, 3rd tier).

I really do.

Take Marner for example. A lot of people here have said that Marner may not be as valuable as 4 1st round picks and his cap space. I don't think that's true but that's something that every GM in the league has to consider. Remove those 4 1sts from the equation and it becomes a lot more difficult for a GM of a bad team with a lot of cap space to explain to his fans/owner why they're not out there seriously pursuing top tier free agents. If signing Marner has no such asset swap I think he'd be seen more as a regular free agent and none of us see signing UFA's as stepping on other team's toes.

Then, once your top tier RFA guys sign then players like Tkachuk and Laine have a market and they're more likely to sign too. Or to go out and get the deal they want from someone else.

I wonder if doing away with compensation might help getting some offers flowing on lower and mid-tier players as well.
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Ok Blue Jays Talk / Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Last post by Deebo on August 13, 2019, 04:51:32 PM »
Speaking of Sogard, I wonder what they are getting back for him, a sack of magic beans or some ruby red shoes?  Probably has some form of performance based incentives on what the return will be. And when does it have to be announced?

There was a report that the Jays can select 2 PTBNL from a list of Rays pitching prospects at a later date.

You probably won't have heard of them just like you probably had never heard of Sogard prior to the Jays signing him, I know I hadn't.
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Ok Blue Jays Talk / Re: Jays Roster Discussion
« Last post by Highlander on August 13, 2019, 04:36:38 PM »
But I'm not talking about screwing up Bichette's development, am I?  I'm talking about calling him up about 2 weeks earlier to get a better determination of his abilities before the trade-deadline.

I was reading Shi Davidi's article this morning...Atkins quoted:

“But it’s a matter of what other teams are willing to do. They were transparent about that at the deadline and there wasn’t a deal we were comfortable doing.”

The deals weren't much good, I'm convinced, but I bet it was better than the zero that they got from the Reds.

Personally, I don't think the timing of Bichette being called up would have changed anything. If there was a deal for something that they actually valued available for Galvis, they would have made it like they did with Sogard. There wasn't, so they didn't. I also don't think they should have altered their development plan for Bo at all just so they could get some marginal prospect in a trade for Galvis.

I really don't get why anyone would bemoan the fact that they might have got some non-prospect if they took whatever was available at the deadline. It's like being upset that someone saw a quarter on the street and didn't pick it up. The insurance that Galvis provided in the event Bichette have faltered and had to have been sent back down was probably worth more to the team than some teams 28th ranked prospect or something.
Speaking of Sogard, I wonder what they are getting back for him, a sack of magic beans or some ruby red shoes?  Probably has some form of performance based incentives on what the return will be. And when does it have to be announced?
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General NHL News & Views / Re: 2019-2020 NHL Thread
« Last post by BlueWhiteBlood on August 13, 2019, 03:46:18 PM »
$6M lawsuit levelled at Ceci & co., by woman who was burned in mishap at a dinner party in 2018.

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1811447


Quick, trade him to Calgary, I hear they are looking for defense...
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2019, 03:32:19 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

I like this thinking outside the box.

Wouldn't this just validate Ferris' argument?
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by Zee on August 13, 2019, 03:23:27 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

I like this thinking outside the box.
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by Bates on August 13, 2019, 03:08:42 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D

Call Doug, surely someone on here has his direct line!!!
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by TML fan on August 13, 2019, 02:57:09 PM »
Declare Mitch Marner an essential service and legislate him back to work  ;D
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Last post by Nik the Trik on August 13, 2019, 02:49:19 PM »
Point taken. I definitely think that the only RFA compensation tier that's overkill is the very top one. I don't see them getting rid of compensation entirely but if the top tier is brought more into line and an offer sheet or two is accepted in that range then it could have a trickle effect.

You're probably right, NHL owners being the sort of modern day "Capitalist" who want rewards but are terrified of any sort of risk or infringement of their power, but I do think that maybe some smarter owners would see that if the current trend holds and the dead RFA market doesn't actually mean they're saving any money on top tier young players then the compensation doesn't actually do anything for them other than lead to these long negotiations/holdouts.
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