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I don't think anyone is suggesting the Leafs throw away Kessel without getting a lot in return. Obviously he has been one of the top scorers in the league over the past several years and has a combination of skills that is rarely seen.

The key question is, do the Leafs clear out the entire core (Phaneuf, Kessel, JVR, Bozak, Lupul) and do a true rebuild from the bottom up? If not, who do they keep. And does winning the lottery change the approach? Is McDavid good enough to step into the lineup as Kessel's center in a year or two...and if so, is that good for the Leafs? Or just another shortcut that avoids a true rebuild?

I go back and forth on this, though I think my preference is to wipe the slate clean and start over. It may take a while, though, to clear out all those contracts and get good value for all of them. And I'm far from confident that Leaf owership/management has the stomach/patience for a true build-from-scratch scenario.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Clarkson for horton
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:37:47 PM »
That's amazing. No other way to describe it.

If Clarkson goes on to become a regular 20-30 goal scorer now, good for him. It wasn't going to happen in Toronto.


I think Polak or even Robidas could serve that role.

Yeah, gotta believe that if they can get a good return for Phaneuf, he goes. Other than the PP, I haven't noticed whole lot of difference with him out of the lineup. I don't think he's worth the cost of that contract and don't think he's captain material.

Who would you slap a 'C' on with this current roster?
No one, really - and that's a big part of the problem. With this group, I'd just go with 3 alternates.


I think Polak or even Robidas could serve that role.

Yeah, gotta believe that if they can get a good return for Phaneuf, he goes. Other than the PP, I haven't noticed whole lot of difference with him out of the lineup. I don't think he's worth the cost of that contract and don't think he's captain material.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2014/15 Roster moves thread
« on: February 24, 2015, 10:40:44 AM »
My first thought was, "it must be Lupul."

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Lupul being "actively shopped"
« on: February 23, 2015, 09:55:44 AM »
I like Lupul a lot, but he's injured way too much. You can't rely on him to play a significant portion of the schedule. Let that be someone else's problem, whether it be now or during the summer...perhaps as part of a larger deal.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bozak's Future
« on: February 23, 2015, 01:08:52 AM »

Horachek is doing things differently, but I don't really think this lineup is built for what seems to be asking for:  playing hard defensively, back-checking, cycling and going to the net.  The Leaf's top line doesn't really do any of that.  In fact, the only guys that play the style that's needed seem to be Polak, Holzer, Winnik, Komarov, and maybe Holland and Panik to some degree.

I think Horachek has implemented a system that's going to be successful in the long run, he's just not got the players (or opportunity) to do anything.
A similar discussion came up in another thread and I caught some flak for commenting that perhaps Kessel would work better with someone like Santorelli, Holland, or Booth on his line (replacing one of Bozak or JVR) because those players seem better at controlling/retrieving pucks from the corners. No one on that top line has much of that ability and it's rare that they win a puck battle. This results in many one-and-done offensive forays.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bozak's Future
« on: February 22, 2015, 09:21:17 PM »
I guess it's time for me to start learning about these "advanced stats".

Sounds like the Corsi % is basically (total shots attempted) - (total shots opponents attempt). And the numbers posted suggest that now, under Horacheck, the top line is at least generating more shot attempts than they are giving up. But their results are worse than they were before. So how is that happening? Are we generating a lot more "cheap" shots, i.e. shots from the side boards, blue line, etc? Seems like lately Kessel is settling for shots from low percentage areas. Are others seeing that, or is a personal bias of mine?

I mean, it's obvious that the team has cut down on the total shots against, and the top line doesn't seem to be hemmed in its own end quite as much as it was before. But the overall results are worse (goals scored and games won/lost). Can't just be luck, can it? Is there a stat that tracks the quality of scoring chances?

The big problem was that when they made the trade for Kessel, they didn't have any of those other players on the roster or in the system. Maybe they thought they'd picked one the previous year (Kadri). In any event, they had to trade the picks that could have provided those supporting/complementary players (ahem Seguin) to get Kessel. Wrong trade at the wrong time.

So now...assuming Kessel isn't traded before the deadline, say the Leafs win the lottery. Does the team then decide to keep Kessel and try pairing him with McDavid? Is McDavid the kind of player that can really elevate a team (I've never seen him play), and can he get to that point quickly enough that it is worth holding onto Kessel? Or do people just feel that we need to clear out everything (Kessel, Phaneuf, Bozak, JVR etc) and start as fresh as possible?

Can't lose them all. Entertaining, hard fought game.

Really a shame that Lupul is so fragile.

Was that Robidas back out there? Didn't think we'd be seeing him again for a while.

 He's good for the tank, though. What a gift-wrapped goal that was.

Clarkson on the PP over Panik.

This is a recording.
Alright with me, we've got a game to lose!

Get down a few goals, give Panik a shot.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Top Line dismantle
« on: February 21, 2015, 06:13:46 PM »
I'm not disagreeing, just stating that we don't know all the facts. It's very possible that Holland is playing the exact role he is being asked to play - safe plays, nothing flashy. We should find out more when Bozak is shipped out.

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