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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by Bender on Today at 12:44:50 AM »
I said it a while ago with regards to the most important schism in politics not being left/right but pro or anti-revolution but I think we're seeing the evidence of that now. The more and more people think they're playing a rigged game without meaningful democracy and the more and more the winners of that game take the attitude of "Tough luck, losers. I got mine" then the more and more you're likely to see this sort of violence and resistance. This is what leads to the revolutions in other countries that we read about briefly before moving to the sports page and we're no more evolved or civilized than the people in those places are.

Simply put, the status quo no longer works for a lot of people and if you're one of the lucky few who it does work for you're either going to be in favour of massive reform or, well, you're going to see people throwing bricks.

With that level of social stratification as well as outright institutional racism & massive erosion of basic democracy? Yeah man, something's got to give here, especially when you've got an administration that has basically failed the American people in every possible way except for maybe the already entrenched elite.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by Nik Bethune on Yesterday at 09:02:22 PM »
I said it a while ago with regards to the most important schism in politics not being left/right but pro or anti-revolution but I think we're seeing the evidence of that now. The more and more people think they're playing a rigged game without meaningful democracy and the more and more the winners of that game take the attitude of "Tough luck, losers. I got mine" then the more and more you're likely to see this sort of violence and resistance. This is what leads to the revolutions in other countries that we read about briefly before moving to the sports page and we're no more evolved or civilized than the people in those places are.

Simply put, the status quo no longer works for a lot of people and if you're one of the lucky few who it does work for you're either going to be in favour of massive reform or, well, you're going to see people throwing bricks.
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
« Last post by Bender on Yesterday at 02:20:07 PM »

Duh but also boo hiss

I'm really amped to see what he brings. Really hoping he can replace Johnsson.
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2020 NHL Draft
« Last post by Bender on Yesterday at 02:19:27 PM »

You will not believe who comes in at the top of the list of teams

That actually is kind of surprising.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by Bender on Yesterday at 02:15:57 PM »
The vote going the other way would not have solved racism/sexism/discrimination, merely continued to hide it. It's hard to defeat something that people deny the existence of. We've seen it ourselves here: they keep doing it because they don't know it's wrong.

It's out in broad daylight now. Between Brexit, Russia, France, ISIS, Boko Haram, and a Trumpublican US, we have tremendous fuel for education right on our door steps.

The election result is a great conversation starter to reach out to those of differing minds. Siloing with those we already agree with will only further the divides.

That would be great, but a lot of the people that were emboldened by Trump are willfully ignorant. There's no conversation to be had with them, or any education that's going to reach them. They're akin to 5 year olds with their fingers in their ears (and, yes, I acknowledge there are many with the same attitude on the other side, as well). These aren't people that are doing things because they don't know they're wrong, they're people who genuinely hold these positions and attitudes. Too many of them are beyond reach.

Their young children, on the other hand, hopefully are not. They're the ones that need to be educated, to be exposed to other races and cultures, and to have the values of equality and respect for basic human rights and dignities enshrined within them. We need to fix the future generations, because, the unfortunate truth is, large swathes of the current generations are broken beyond repair.

The problem is that the hatred just continues.  You can expose children to as much as you want but the values that their parents place on them seem to override what society is trying explain to them.  Like at the hatred that exists in the middle east and how long it has been going on for.  It's pretty simple to say "Hey if you stop hating one another, and stop fighting, things might get better", but they just don't want to let it go.

Be that as it may, I can't stop hoping; I can't say, this or that person is irredeemable. Because that route will lead to the Age of Ultron (or whatever AI singularity apocalypse you choose).

So yeah, it's going to suck (and be even more dangerous literally) for the next little while, but I know the oppression of what is good and noble will lead to some of the brightest works of humanity.

The indoctrinated hate mentioned does seem like a formidable wall. There's a reason such regimes abolish elements of society like free press and education up front. We have to keep talking about it, and try to build ideas towards solutions.

Where's your Pepsi now, 2016 herman? Sigh

We are in the worst timeline.
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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Donald
« Last post by herman on Yesterday at 01:15:48 PM »
The vote going the other way would not have solved racism/sexism/discrimination, merely continued to hide it. It's hard to defeat something that people deny the existence of. We've seen it ourselves here: they keep doing it because they don't know it's wrong.

It's out in broad daylight now. Between Brexit, Russia, France, ISIS, Boko Haram, and a Trumpublican US, we have tremendous fuel for education right on our door steps.

The election result is a great conversation starter to reach out to those of differing minds. Siloing with those we already agree with will only further the divides.

That would be great, but a lot of the people that were emboldened by Trump are willfully ignorant. There's no conversation to be had with them, or any education that's going to reach them. They're akin to 5 year olds with their fingers in their ears (and, yes, I acknowledge there are many with the same attitude on the other side, as well). These aren't people that are doing things because they don't know they're wrong, they're people who genuinely hold these positions and attitudes. Too many of them are beyond reach.

Their young children, on the other hand, hopefully are not. They're the ones that need to be educated, to be exposed to other races and cultures, and to have the values of equality and respect for basic human rights and dignities enshrined within them. We need to fix the future generations, because, the unfortunate truth is, large swathes of the current generations are broken beyond repair.

The problem is that the hatred just continues.  You can expose children to as much as you want but the values that their parents place on them seem to override what society is trying explain to them.  Like at the hatred that exists in the middle east and how long it has been going on for.  It's pretty simple to say "Hey if you stop hating one another, and stop fighting, things might get better", but they just don't want to let it go.

Be that as it may, I can't stop hoping; I can't say, this or that person is irredeemable. Because that route will lead to the Age of Ultron (or whatever AI singularity apocalypse you choose).

So yeah, it's going to suck (and be even more dangerous literally) for the next little while, but I know the oppression of what is good and noble will lead to some of the brightest works of humanity.

The indoctrinated hate mentioned does seem like a formidable wall. There's a reason such regimes abolish elements of society like free press and education up front. We have to keep talking about it, and try to build ideas towards solutions.

Where's your Pepsi now, 2016 herman? Sigh
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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2020 NHL Draft
« Last post by herman on Yesterday at 10:28:24 AM »

You will not believe who comes in at the top of the list of teams
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General NHL News & Views / Re: NHLs 24-team Return to Play proposal
« Last post by OldTimeHockey on Yesterday at 06:32:24 AM »
Sure. I kind of think I said that it wasn't universal by agreeing with you but thanks for clarifying it for me.

Well, there are two very distinct points in the quote you replied to. Good to know you kind of agree with both of them.

Hey man, anything for you.
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General NHL News & Views / Re: NHLs 24-team Return to Play proposal
« Last post by Nik Bethune on May 29, 2020, 06:12:39 PM »
Sure. I kind of think I said that it wasn't universal by agreeing with you but thanks for clarifying it for me.

Well, there are two very distinct points in the quote you replied to. Good to know you kind of agree with both of them.
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General NHL News & Views / Re: NHLs 24-team Return to Play proposal
« Last post by OldTimeHockey on May 29, 2020, 05:54:10 PM »
I kind of agree here, but many may see it as a way out of the darkness or depression they are feeling. They may seem it as some sort of return to normalcy.

And I wouldn't criticize someone for feeling that way, I'm just saying it's not universal. I also think some pragmatism needs to exist when we're still at a time where people can't hold funerals for their loved ones.

Sure. I kind of think I said that it wasn't universal by agreeing with you but thanks for clarifying it for me.
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