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NHL Transactions / Re: Devils acquire Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson
« on: June 29, 2016, 04:51:18 PM »
Not a like for like swap but Montreal probably would have been able to get Hall and RNH for Subban, which would have been a much better deal for them.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Devils acquire Taylor Hall for Adam Larsson
« on: June 29, 2016, 04:16:27 PM »
What a joke.  I still think Hall was the second most valuable asset on the Oilers after McDavid.  For Larsson?!  Hahahahahahaha.

Leafs should have offered Gardiner.  That should have gotten it done.  ::)

If only we still had Antropov, Colaiacovo and a pick.

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Would anyone take a punt on Eric Staal if he could be had for a few million dollars for a couple of seasons (or even one season if there's nothig else out there for him)? A veteran presence and a bit of mentoring could be useful.

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CBJ has about $40k left to sign 2 players at the moment. Gotta be desperate to move some big ugly deals.

I imagine a buyout for Jared Boll is incoming. That'll give them a tiny bit of breathing room, but something still has to happen to at least one of those big deals.

They've just bought out Tyutin.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 28, 2016, 03:23:46 PM »
This is what I mean.

What makes you think England should really even be taken seriously in these tournaments?

Since the 90's you've won three games in the knockout stages of international competition.

Your country is being lied to by a media that constantly goes on about the Premiership being the best, but the Premiership is about 70% foreigners.

How do you expect the team to compete with the Spanish, German, French and Italians who all have top leagues in which domestic players are the overwhelming majority?

It's a numbers game, there simply are not enough English players playing at the top level to really produce true prodigious talents.

Because the BPL is so popular, that 30% that do make it to the BPL become so ridiculously overhyped by the media that they end up getting games for the national team and they are entirely out of their depth.

The media are selling you a false bill of goods mate, the money should be getting pumped into grass roots football instead of splashed all over European journeymen and their dodgy agents.

Think of the German and Spanish teams that have won major tournaments recently, how many of that England team last night would have a realistic chance of getting in those teams? Maybe two or three if they where at the absolute top of their game?

That's just it though - competing with the Germanys and Italys of this world - I totally agree with you. But we've not done that in these Euros or the last World Cup.

We just never turn up at tournaments after breezing through qualifying. The team doesnt play the same. Theres no doubt about that. These are good players but look at them last night - misplaced passes left right and centre, poor control in situations, no marking, no gameplan, round pegs in square holes.

It doesn't help when the manager picks his favourites and inexplicable teams - Wilshire, Sturridge and Henderson missed big chunks of the season (with Wilshere missing almost all of it). Yet we leave behind Townsend, Drinkwater and Carroll who would have been better suited and given us more options. I'd have had the former two in the team (ahead of Sterling and Alli) with Carroll as the big forward for if we needed a goal in the last 10 minutes and we'd have been a lot better set up.

Agree that we're overrated (especially the so called Golden Generation₩ but that still doesn't mean we should be as poor at tournaments as we have been.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 28, 2016, 02:18:51 PM »
1) Our national anthem isn't very inspirational and the players look like they're not fussed when singing it/mouthing the words. Whereas other nations have better/ more motivating anthems and you can see from their players that singing it pumps them up and gets them going.

I agree that's a flimsy rationale for a poor performance but I'm not a big fan of that anthem as far as it goes. You really have to be invested in the monarchy, I'd think, for it to resonate. Especially when there are other compelling options like Rule, Britannia, For he is an Englishman or God Save the Queen(Sex Pistols version)

It was interesting to see Northern Ireland using it but not Wales. I thought the Welsh one was pretty good.

Also, this is a great clip from Deadspin of Steve Mcclaren reacting live to the second Iceland goal:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gC2JjatGwM[/youtube]

Yeah. Agree it's not that inspirational - I'd have either Jerusalem or Land of Hope And Glory if I could (I'm pretty anti Royal family athough slightly short of being a Republican).  The Wales anthem Land Of Our Fathers is very spine tingly as is Flower Of Scotland (which they play for the rugby team- not sure if used for the football though).

Good old Steve McLaren, the "Wally with the brolly" - now he was another hopeless manager. Probably not the best person to be discussing the England team underperforming...

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 28, 2016, 01:16:21 PM »
Ah, it's not so bad. I get the frustration, Nagano in '98 and Turin in '06.

I think the difference is that England hasn't won anything in 50 years. Soccer fans are a little different than hockey fans too.

Canada hadn't won an Olympic Gold in over 40 years when Nagano happened.  People were pretty upset then, thinking that sending our best guaranteed a win.

I'd like to caveat this by saying I support a League Two team (fourth tier of English football, maybe best comparison would be Single A in baseball) who have no realistic chance of winning anything.

The big issue with the national team is the constant let down from poor management over decades and serious underachieving by players that should play better. Individually we're better than most teams and should be getting further in tournaments but nobody has been able to get them playing as a competent team - the obsession being putting the best players on the pitch rather than the best team.

We are tactically naive too and these issues are never addressed - breezing through qualifying and then gutless performances at tournaments have become the norm.

At least with Canada they went on to win Gold at Salt Lake City and Vancouver - they banished the demons.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 28, 2016, 12:56:26 PM »
Best 5 excuses heard in the office today (#1 is a corker).

5) Tired after a long Premier League season/there's no winter break

4) Players don't give their all because they don't want to jeopardise transfers to other teams

3) Brexit affected tbe players who were still feeling glum

2) Hodgson knew we'd lose because he already had his resignation letter typed out so that must means he wasn't motivated to pick the right team/work on tactics.

And the piece de resistance

1) Our national anthem isn't very inspirational and the players look like they're not fussed when singing it/mouthing the words. Whereas other nations have better/ more motivating anthems and you can see from their players that singing it pumps them up and gets them going.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 28, 2016, 03:50:09 AM »
Delighted for Iceland - they thoroughly deserved that.

I have little against any England players or team, I like Hodgson, good guy. But the way ITV get on puts you right off England. Hoddle claiming Iceland are "stuck in the 80s". English media are stuck in 1966...

Yep - the venting should be directed at the players or the manager. To be fair they did play a physical game, and I guess that's what Hoddle was referring to, but that doesn't explain the ineptitude of the players, poor team selection, no gameplan and picking the wrong squad in the first place. I mean, this is what they served up after almost a full week to prepare for the game and sort themselves out.

And if I hear any "tired after a long season" feeble excuses today I think I'll lose it...

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 28, 2016, 03:45:41 AM »
This didn't take long. Hodgson out as England manager. His own #Brexit as it were.

http://www.espnfc.us/england/story/2903448/roy-hodgson-resigns-as-england-manager-after-euro-2016-exit

Suprised it took him so long.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 27, 2016, 05:24:33 PM »

I don't think I've ever seen a TV commentator as upset as the English guy on TSN right now.

Who was it?

There's a huge amount of anger here. Hopefully the team will be met at the airport when they get back by an angry mob armed to the teeth with rotten tomatoes.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 27, 2016, 05:12:02 PM »
Hodgson has just quit before hes pushed.

Good riddance.

Shame there was no apology.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 27, 2016, 05:10:30 PM »
Well, WIGWAL stepped on my "Well, you wanted out of Europe" line so instead I'll just point out that they got knocked out by a country with a population roughly that of London....Ontario.

#LOLEngland

#LOLEngland isn't harsh enough. I'd divert their plane to North Korea.

Loved this stat on their population - if you are a male aged 18-35 and live in Iceland you have a 1 in 2000 chance of playing for the national team.

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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 27, 2016, 04:58:31 PM »
Absolutely disgusting performance from England to top off a really poor Championships. No way did we deserve to get anything from that game. We were utterly clueless.

The set up and tactics of the team has been all wrong. Teams have only needed to put bodies in and around their own box and we haven't had the gameplan or ability to get through.

Agree about Iceland but compare their players to ours. It shouldn't even be close but we dont ever play as s cohesive team and Iceland did and wanted it more than us. Watching our players not mark, waste the ball, lose the ball or give it away too easily was embarrassing.


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All Sports But Hockey / Re: Euro 2016
« on: June 27, 2016, 03:52:43 PM »
Well done England for serving up a perfect 45 minute cackfest.

Since when has marking become optional?

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