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NHL Transactions / Re: Carter to LA
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:49:44 PM »
LA managed to protect the 1st round pick by deferring it to 2013 in the event that the Kings miss the playoffs this year.

Take that Brian Burke.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Greg McKegg
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:45:10 PM »
If recent history is any indicator, McKegg will be trade bait this year or next.

And what recent history is that?

Yeah not sure what trade he is referring too, the Didomenico package perhaps?

We trade away virtually all of our draft picks, either as picks or as first or second year pros.

Brad Boyes, Steen, Tlusty, Rask, Stalburg and Paradis to name a few. Hell you can go all the way back to the first year of the draft when we traded away our first player ever drafted - Walt McKechnie and earlier to before there was a draft to the deal that sent Rod Seiling to the Rangers.

When I start reading suggestions that the Leafs are not sold on McKegg's skating ability, it leads me to the opinion that he will be dealt.

And yet after all of these years of futility, there is still no management decision to build through the draft.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The Brian Burke Thread
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:28:36 PM »
I think Burke has done a "good" job in rebuilding the mess that was JFJ's Leafs - in terms of prospects. Poor job in overall improvement on the ice because the proof is in the pudding.

What is somewhat scary right now is that IF he makes a move for Nash, that will require a significant alteration from the Burke retool (not rebuild) process. That Cap hit will have ramifications all down the roster because you know that we need a stud D man and an actual goalie as well as bye bye Grabbo etc.

What happens in the next 72 hours will shape the direction substantially but I still support Burke. The only real area I do not support Burke is this notion that Leaf fans need this "up-tempo" style of play to entertain us. Yes, up-tempo is fun but wins and being in the playoffs solidly would be just as jazzing

And we all know this...Leaf Nation is not going away or far.

Rebuild or retool, you use both and yet try to make a distinction.

Which one is it?

Actually, it matters not given that Burke has by his own definition failed, (even if not by your measure).

That definition was that he would be able to return this team to respectability and the playoffs well in advance of 5 years -- a term that he said was unacceptably too long.

Well, here we are breathing on year 5 with a roster that has be turned over about every 1.5 years, coming up short yet again in the goaltending department (despite Burke's own promise over a year ago that he would never be in that position again) and draft picks squandered and we are still grasping at a playoff spot (the success of which is almost wholly dependent on the utter collapse of the Crapitals).

Now there are rumblings that he will retain Wilson even if we miss the playoffs again.

ENOUGH.

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My expectation is that Luke will be spending the prime of his career in another uniform...perhaps starting as early as next Monday.

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NHL Transactions / Re: Hemsky signs 2 year extension
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:15:35 PM »
Overpriced, perhaps,

The real question is what affect this may have on Grabo's situation.

Does this now make it harder for Burke to re-sign him at a price that BB can live with?

Does it increase Grabo's trade value over the next 72 hours?

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NHL Transactions / Re: Zidlicky to New Jersey
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:12:26 PM »
High price for Zids, no?
2nd round pick, 6/7 dman, 4th liner and an okay prospect? Zidlicky does have another season left on his contract.

I would say it is a high price for a 35 year old defenceman with zero goals so far this season.

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Former Leafs: Ex-Files / Re: JFJ to be next Columbus GM?
« on: February 24, 2012, 10:09:57 PM »
This would be the worst mistake anyone has ever made since the Leafs originally hired JFJ as GM.

To which I can only add: Hasn't Columbus suffered enough?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Jake Gardiner
« on: February 19, 2012, 12:04:11 PM »
Damien Cox wrote this ridiculous piece (with a worse headline by the editor) in today's star. He must be drinking from the wrong side of the kool-air jar again. If the Leafs were to include Gardiner in some sort of package for Rick Nash, there would have to be some kind of mutiny in Leaf Nation. I can't believe for one minute, from everything I've seen of Burkie, that he has lost his marbles altogether.
Everyone and their dog recognizes the potential in this kid and he is only getting better as the season progresses. He could be down right scary in a couple of years.
No disrepect for Nash, but give the ages, the contracts and the importance of the positions, I wouldn't make the deal straight - I'm not kidding.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1133576--cox-talented-toronto-maple-leafs-rookie-jake-gardiner-may-have-to-go

I do not see Burke dealing Gardiner either, certainly not for Nash.  Cox is right though as we really don't know how good Gardiner can be.  Gardiner could be better than Nash someday.  We are starting to get a feel as to the ceiling for Schenn though as we have watched him in a Leaf uni for a few years now.  I believe that Burke lets him go ahead of Gardiner in any deal.

Agreed, in fact if Burke deals Jake, then it's time to package Brian off the the laughing academy. Trading Gardiner to obtain the NHL's 70th scorer (okay, I know Nash is better that that stat indicates but still, he is a winger and we need a centre) makes about as much sense as that other suggestion of dealing Kessel for Nash.

I still think we take Mason and his contract as part of the consideration for Nash -- or for Carter if it should come to that. We are not shining in goal at the moment so we either rely on Francois to work magic or we eat Mason's salary at the AHL level.

We have the economic clout to do such things and there is no time like the present to use it, if we want to both make the playoffs this year (we will still get slaughtered if we finish 8th and I admit that making the playoff is a minimal goal) and to strengthen the team in the longer term.

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Rick Nash potentially available
« on: February 18, 2012, 11:38:11 AM »
I don't think their overall value is too far off either, but I've already said the value of guys like Bernier are low because you never know if they'll become a Schneider or a Harding (not that Harding should be completely written off yet). With that said, this discussion is based off who Columbus would be more interested in. And I think if they're trading Rick Nash they'll be a lot more interested in looking for the potential home-run in Bernier than going the safe route with Reimer.

At any other position, I'd agree with you, but, in terms of goaltending, I think they might very well be more open to taking the safer route and getting a guy they know they can win games with, while maximizing their value with the other pieces in the deal.

I do not disagree with you, BH, but would suggest looking at the Columbus goaltending problem from another angle, namely the salary cap.

Columbus has too much money tied up in three non producing (relative to their respective salaries) assets, Nash, Carter and Mason.

The Kings, like the Leafs need a scoring forward but the Kings, unlike the Leafs, lack the means to eat a salary.

To get a goalie would only solve part of the Columbus goaltending dilemma.

The BJs would love to deal the mason contract. Now if we were able to take Mason (a Lupul like salary trade throw in - and Lupul did work out as it happens), then that helps offset the number and quality of players that head to Columbus for either carter or Nash (you decide) with the other Columbus forward going to the Kings for a goalie.

This is bare bones and some other names and details would need to be added but it solves the salary cap issue for Howson and who knows, maybe Mason could flourish with Francois coaching him and would not have to be parked with the Marlies.


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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« on: February 15, 2012, 08:48:06 PM »
With the way the team has played in the last 3 games, a trade would help boost the spirits of the oh-so-loyal fan base...

Too bad it's starting to look like Burke wont make that "huge" trade this time around.

And perhaps a trade would be one last Burkean effort to try to preserve his friend's job as coach.

Besides, who knows by the weekend we may be sellers, not buyers, anyway.

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2011 to 2018 GDTs (OLD) / Re: Game 50: Leafs @ Pens, 7:00pm
« on: January 31, 2012, 09:51:49 PM »
This feels exactly like that loss in NJ 2 years back where Leafs were up 3-1 with 5 min left in regulation and lost 4-3 in regulation. Gus was in net also. We all said its a young team and its growing pains. 2 years later same stuff still happens.

two years later ..a lot of those guys are gone

...as are the assistant coaches.

However Wilson not only remains, he gets an extension.

Same cinema showing the same movie for four years.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Greg McKegg
« on: January 29, 2012, 04:20:41 PM »
If recent history is any indicator, McKegg will be trade bait this year or next.

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It is beyond disappointing - that was 3 years ago.

This is embarrassing to be life and death to make the palyoffs after so many years of ineptitude.

We have the largest front office in the League with supposedly the most talent. We have cut loose assistant coaches while gifting Ron Wilson an unearned extension.

For all of this we are looking up at Ottawa!

Ottawa has been at this rebuild thing for less than a year.

I have lost all patience with Burke, Wilson and Nonis.

I would put this in Rick Dudley's experience hands today and find out whether Dallas Eakins can coach at the NHL level. Otherwise we run the risk of losing them both -- and to what end?

Time for MLSE to pull the trigger on this failed management team.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: General Leafs Talk
« on: November 06, 2011, 07:37:47 AM »
Well... going into the Columbus game I was struck by how similar the the stats were for the PK and PP of the two teams with disparate record. Consider the fact that Columbus has lost some games it should have won as well as some close ones (in addition to the not close at all ones of course) and you get an idea just how little separates worst from first.

We simply are not as good as our record indicates.

As for the trade, on one side of the ledger the Bruins have a Cup and Seguin with Doug Hamilton (allegedly a Rob Blake type but we will see about that) and we have a pretty good scorer.

I am willing to discount the effect of the trade on the Cup win because I believe that the Bruins with Kessel would have been a lot stronger than the Bruins with Seguin at that stage of Segiun's career.

On the other hand, the addition of Kessel to our line up has not translated this team to any great improvement. I do not blame Kessel in the least -- he is playing well and has scored in decent numbers since he arrived,

The fact is that we were way farther away from any respectability than a Kessel. We would have been better building with a Segiun and a Hamilton and making a trade for a missing star some time around next season or possibly at the trade deadline this one.

The prematurity of the Kessel trade has done a disservice to Kessel and to the development of this team. It is like putting lipstick on a pig.

Last night's result may have been extreme but I found it unsurprising. We still need a better roster and we have to go through that "learn to lose" phase in order to learn how to win.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: New Alternate Jersey
« on: August 01, 2011, 09:50:08 PM »
I like it, although I still prefer our current third jersey.

I agree.

Our current 3rd is a keeper, this new one not so much.

They should focus as much on icing a team as they do on merchandising. If they did, they would sell enough jerseys without the need to change one of them every 3 years to juice sales.

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