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Nice setup.

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Oh, Nylander is playing. I just saw him.

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Ah well. No one ever confused Barrie with a crease clearing defenceman.

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That's a nice save.

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I'm amazed to see Barrie back on the bench. Thought for sure his shoulder was dislocated.

Same. I still think that should have been a major penalty, though.

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Looks like trade's back on the menu, boys!

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Marincin gets a lot of criticism for being a league minimum 7th defenseman.

No one is expecting bobby orr, but you simply can't have a guy in the lineup that can't reliably give and receive an pass with time and space.

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It seems kapanen is the type of guy that plays better when he's pissed off a bit.

My god, is marincin an absolute disaster with the puck. There were three times where he was given the puck, with plenty of time, and managed to hand it right over to the canes for significant zone time. The one 2 minutes into the first where Tavares gave it to him on the reverse when the puck came back was just comical.
Yes on both accounts.

Is there truly no one on the marlies that can do a better job? Gravel?

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It seems kapanen is the type of guy that plays better when he's pissed off a bit.

My god, is marincin an absolute disaster with the puck. There were three times where he was given the puck, with plenty of time, and managed to hand it right over to the canes for significant zone time. The one 2 minutes into the first where Tavares gave it to him on the reverse when the puck came back was just comical.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2019-2020
« on: February 20, 2020, 02:52:14 PM »
I'm not sure if I see it that way (if I'm understanding you correctly). Dubas gave up a substantial asset in kadri for a #2 defenseman (and Kerfoot). If that main asset has diminished through the season to the point that we're saying he's worth no more than a 2nd rounder on an expiring contract in a coveted RD position, while Kadri is still on a good number through 21-22, I'd call that an unfortunate trade. No?

The amount of time you have a player absolutely impacts the value. A full season of a player is worth more than a 1/4 season. Barrie's value would have diminished over the course of the season, regardless of how he played. The return at the deadline would never have been the same value as 3 seasons of Kadri. The amount Barrie might fetch at the deadline this year has no bearing as to whether or not the initial trade for him was a good one. They're completely different circumstances, and the two moves do not actually relate to each other, even if the same player is involved in both.

Yes, I follow, but ultimately, you have to consider the value of each at a given moment in time. I think that the value he has at the end of this season is completely relevant to the success of the trade, because that value represents in large part the contribution that he's made via his play.

If Dubas said, "hey, let's trade Kadri for Barrie and Kerfoot, and we should be happy with a 2nd rounder for Barrie as a rental at the end of the season if plans change", I'd be very much not in favor of making that deal, which was supposed to be for a much more impactful dman.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2019-2020
« on: February 20, 2020, 02:21:54 PM »
Send Matthews back to Arizona for Chychrun, Crouse and their 1st.

Wow, hard pass.


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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2019-2020
« on: February 20, 2020, 02:14:20 PM »
Ultimately, if it's true there isn't a market for Barrie above a 2nd round pick, I think that we could pretty much agree that Dubas lost on this trade, in a big way.

That's not really a fair comparison, though. Dubas traded for a full season of Barrie (plus Kerfoot). Any trade now would be for 1/4 of a season.

I'm not sure if I see it that way (if I'm understanding you correctly). Dubas gave up a substantial asset in kadri for a #2 defenseman (and Kerfoot). If that main asset has diminished through the season to the point that we're saying he's worth no more than a 2nd rounder on an expiring contract in a coveted RD position, while Kadri is still on a good number through 21-22, I'd call that an unfortunate trade. No?

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I'm predicting a win tonight

At this point all the games are pretty meaningful, but I'd think this one would be pretty pivotal one way or another when it comes to team identity for the rest of the way.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs trade Marchment to FLA for Denis Malgin
« on: February 20, 2020, 01:01:56 PM »
I think I was more disappointed in Marchment's play on his call ups than this trade. He had a pretty good path to playing on the bottom 6 based on bring something other couldn't, and he really didn't show anything.

Anyway, I hope that swiss nic petan can join forces with regular nic petan and make one larger petan, destroying villages and such.

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2019-2020
« on: February 20, 2020, 12:57:29 PM »
Andy Greene just went for a 2nd round pick. You don't think Barrie returns a fair amount more than that?

Huh, I never considered that Barrie wouldn't bring back a first round pick, considering most of the teams interested would likely be pretty late picks, and Barrie does have a lot of points in the bank this year (which I agree, are likely inflated due to the scoring output of the forwards).
Also, he's a right hander, which seems most coveted, and there's a lot of injuries on D around the league. I'd have thought all of this would have played in the leafs' favour to get a decent return.

Ultimately, if it's true there isn't a market for Barrie above a 2nd round pick, I think that we could pretty much agree that Dubas lost on this trade, in a big way.

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