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Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Yesterday at 11:26:03 AM »

I'm really enjoying the work of the UK government right now and how they're living up to every stereotype. They've restricted gatherings to 6 or fewer but made an exception for Grouse hunting. Now it comes out that their mandate requiring passengers in a car to wear a mask doesn't apply to chauffeur driven vehicles.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: Yesterday at 10:56:44 AM »
Try telling that to the guy running the night club.

Ok? I'd be fine to tell that guy the same thing.

And I'd probably agree.

My point is, he wouldn't. He's an entrepreneur. He's running a business that in his eyes probably isn't much different than Flannigan's Irish Pub.

The strip club owner or the night club owner? You've kind of lost me here.

Regardless though, he might think that. And if you could sell him on enforcing a social distancing plan and figuring out a way to collect customer information for tracing purposes in the event of an outbreak he might have a case that it's no different than a pub in how it relates to enforcing safety protocols. Admittedly, I don't know much about strip club economics but it feels like social distancing plus having to give your name at the door would result in such a natural fall off in business that saying they can't open would be probably preferable provided there was some level of government compensation.

But beyond that you've lost me a bit with your larger point. Is it that businesses that rely on a lot of people packing into places don't want to close? Because I think we all get that. Nobody likes what's happening. None of these safety precautions are being taken because governments are looking for fun new ways to clamp down on people's leisure time and whining about them doesn't change the necessity of them. Making exemptions for food service is reasonable and if people don't like that they're in the exact same position as a lot of people who disagree with laws.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: September 22, 2020, 11:53:16 PM »
Try telling that to the guy running the night club.

Ok? I'd be fine to tell that guy the same thing.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: September 22, 2020, 06:28:42 PM »
Except strip clubs aren't the only things open that aren't following their "safe reopening plans"

I don't think it's about adherence to a plan, I think the point here is that it seems as though not following a safe reopening plan is inherent to the nature of a strip club on top of its limited utility when compared to something like a restaurant.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: September 22, 2020, 04:19:58 PM »
As for the "why are strip clubs open" comment....why not? Just because I don't necessarily agree with them, doesn't mean that the business owner doesn't have the right to earn his living.

It's not a moral objection, it's a practical one. Social distancing seems slightly more realistic in restaurants than in strip clubs and contact tracing is more effective in situations where everyone isn't giving a fake name.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:36:32 AM »
I may have used the word 'implode' a little too loosely. What I meant was if we saw them missing the playoffs or getting knocked out early again over the duration of next few seasons.

Ok but I'm not sure that fundamentally changes the dynamic. If that happens, the Leafs will still have Liljegren and Sandin and not much prospect depth anywhere else.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:25:09 AM »
I think some see Kappy getting a first should mean Nylander would bring more.

I think that's a safe assumption but that's what I'm talking about when I say specificity would help. Because a lot of teams with internal caps and their own big RFA's to sign in a year or two are going to be wary about bringing in big contracts no matter how good the player is. Expecting to get full and fair value on top of that might be a big ask.

I think there's a reason reaction around the league to the Kapanen trade was as loud as it was. I don't think you'll see a lot of similar moves made in the coming years.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:22:00 AM »
Well I can't argue with most of your logic here, but the Leafs are still a young club. So while you want to look after the here-and-now I still think its important to look forward a few years too, incase things implode in the short term. AP could certainly be your answer for improvement in the immediate term on D.

I don't see any reason why the team would implode but even then I don't think this is about a "now vs. later" schism. I think it's about being somewhat patient with the prospects we do have and looking to bolster other areas of the prospect base. The Leafs prospect base right now is sort of unquestionably strongest on defense with Liljegren and Sandin clearly outshining any of the guys the Leafs have in the forward ranks.

So when I look a couple years down the line the improvement on defense I see is from those guys(and, hopefully, Dermott/Rielly as they continue to grow). I look at the Leafs' system right now, however, and I don't see a ton of good candidates for filling out the bottom six.

And yeah. Call me crazy. I do think there are teams, even now, that would be willing to part with a high end draft pick or two for Nylander.

I don't necessarily disagree(although I guess it depends on what you mean by "high end") but I don't think that would be a good value return.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 10:12:17 AM »

I kind of feel like the people advocating for trading Marner and Nylander need to be slightly more specific with their thoughts on what the returns would actually be(and from who) because it seems like a lot of the value being espoused there is pretty hard to pin down.

Like, I like Nylander a lot but I don't think he's a good enough player that teams in need of a franchise type player would eagerly give away their shots at one.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 09:57:27 AM »
The return for trading a solid offensive piece like Nylander should give you more options to address any area you see fit. As does having 2 selections in the first round.

The Leafs don't have 2 first round picks, unless you're assuming one would be returning in the supposed Nylander trade, but even then I still wouldn't be looking to draft defensemen. Being realistic about time frames means that any defenseman drafted is still likely 3-4 years away from being a solid contributor or, effectively, not until the next iteration of the team.

Because of where the team is looking for solid forward prospects with a realistic chance to contribute in the next couple of years is probably their best chance to improve the current team in a meaningful way.

Also, with the cap situation the way it is, I'd probably hold off on assuming that teams will just be lining up to throw awesome trade packages at the Leafs for Nylander

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 09:44:47 AM »

Also, for what it's worth, I think the last thing the team should be looking to draft is a defenseman. Forward depth and goaltending are much bigger issues right now.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 22, 2020, 09:40:51 AM »
Why does it seem so necessary to everyone the need to hold on to this overloaded offence?

It's not a matter of holding onto one thing or another, it's just a recognition that the reality of the cap makes peeling off one of those 4 guys a likely zero-sum game. It's rearranging talent instead of improving it and I think that strikes a lot of people as not being a particularly effective method of the team actually getting better. I appreciate that after some tough playoff losses some fans are going to be content with a team that's just different as opposed to better but I don't think that should be the team's goal.

I get that there's a lot of impatience out there but realistically the team's only chance of improving by the margins they need to is going to come through internal development.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: September 22, 2020, 09:35:31 AM »
That doesn't make every request reasonable.

I think there are a lot of things that are going to look extreme to a lot of people but when the alternative is making a resurgence of the virus a matter of when and not if they probably still need to be considered.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: Coronavirus
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:38:38 PM »

I think we have pretty solid evidence at this point that not effectively managing the virus will cost more than reasonable containment measures.

Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Pietrangelo Watch
« on: September 21, 2020, 07:33:58 PM »

But I guess what I'm really saying is that whatever salary gets moved out you can't really take any salary back for it. Because I've seen a few trade proposals in this thread that had the Leafs getting actual players back for Marner/Nylander and that seems like it can't happen for sure.

Even getting ELC players you'd have to resign yourself to the fact that you couldn't sign them whenever their deals were up.

It's just bizarre how this is a league where the closer a player gets to being paid what they're actually worth, the more their "value" is effectively zero.

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