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So sad. :( They're slumping so badly that they can't even bring themselves to use capital letters. This is worse than I thought.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Is it panic time yet?
« on: January 19, 2019, 03:07:28 PM »
Exactly. Aside from old men Tavares and Kadri, our best players are our youngest players.

Weren't many of those splits the result of injuries or bad play rather than an actual plan? Same result but not because of philosophy.

I think that's a good point. I just posted the numbers, but it'd be interesting to see a more in-depth look at the numbers. Some of them are definitely the result of injury.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Is it panic time yet?
« on: January 19, 2019, 03:00:59 PM »
Who is it exactly that claims everything is good? Why is it either "open your head and feast on the goo" or "complete ignorant bliss" with you panickers? Most of us are being rational. Nylander's production is terrible (despite otherwise good play), Kadri's in a slump, our defence behind the three puck-movers (Rielly, Gardiner, Dermott) is below average, etc. I don't think anyone is claiming this is the best team in history.

I'll just speak for myself and say that it's definitely not a time for panic. They're in a tiny slump; it'll be balanced by a winning streak. Look at the criticism in the GDT's. Those of us "who think everything is good" are constantly suggesting Babcock mix up the lines. We're critical of crappy giveaways, lazy plays, and puzzling coaching decisions. We just balance our emotions by recognizing the good stuff. For example, as much as he's ripped on, Gardiner makes tonnes of great little plays that don't even get mentioned.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Is it panic time yet?
« on: January 19, 2019, 10:23:37 AM »
Will this thread look ridiculous in a month's time if the Leafs go on a run and re-establish 2nd in the conference by a fair margin?  All good questions.

It looks kind of ridiculous now.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade deadline moves
« on: January 19, 2019, 09:41:12 AM »
Well AM34 is looking like an Alexandre Daigle these days and while clearly stacked up front, in the back end they are not. For how many more years should we have patience?

You're being ridiculous. In his slump, he has 1 goal and 7 assists in his last 10 games. I've certainly heard of worse slumps. Considering that, on the season, he has 42 points in 33 games, I'd say he's doing alright. He also did so while battling through injuries.

Average is 55 games (excluding 2013, Chicago).

2018: Washington: Braden Holtby (50)Philipp Grubauer (31)
2017: Pittsburgh: Matt Murray (49)Marc-Andre Fleury (38)
2016: Pittsburgh: Marc-Andre Fleury (58)Matt Murray (13)Jeff Zatkoff (14)
2015: Chicago: Corey Crawford (57)Scott Darling (14)Antti Raanta (14)
2014: LA: Jonathan Quick (49)Martin Jones (19)Ben Scrivens (19)
2013: Chicago: Corey Crawford (30)Ray Emery (21)
2012: LA: Jonathan Quick (69)Jonathan Bernier (16)
2011: Boston: Tim Thomas (57)Tuukka Rask (29)
2010: Chicago: Cristobal Huet (48)Antti Niemi (39)
2009: Pittsburgh: Marc-Andre Fleury (62)Dany Sabourin (19)
2008: Detroit: Chris Osgood   (43)Dominik Hasek (41)
2007: Anaheim: Jean-Sebastien Giguere (56)Ilya Bryzgalov (27)
2006: Carolina: Martin Gerber (60)Cam Ward (28)

I know a lot of it was due to Andersen being injured, but the Leafs have gotten 15 games out of the backup position already this season, last year total there was only 19 games (18 for McBackup and 1 for Pickard).  Well on their way to getting 20+ games for the backup and more rest for Freddie.

Edit: 14 decisions, 8-5-1 with non Freddie goalies.

Including tonight's game, there's only 7 more B2B starts on the schedule for Sparks. If Andersen starts every other game he'll still end up with 61 starts. Hopefully Babcock reconsiders Sparks' starting schedule in the second half (which he has talked about potentially doing) but Andersen will still likely have a very heavy workload.

Ideally you'd like to see backup starts get into the mid 20s so Andersen only plays 55-57 games.  We'll see.

I hear a lot of talk such as this, but is there anything to back this up?

You realize that in a week or so time the leafs could be on the outside of the playoffs looking in?   And no one seems worried.   

This time in a week or so they could also be 2nd in the league.

What, over the past month, tells you this “slump” is about to end?

Nylander came back beginning of December.   Leafs are 8-8-2 since his return.  That isn’t a slump.  That is bad hockey.   Almost 2 months worth.   Zero signs point to them playing better.

Beating the league's best team for one. For another, the return of their starting goalie. There's also just no way Nylander's 3% shot rate is sustainable. He'll start scoring eventually.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade deadline moves
« on: January 18, 2019, 10:59:46 AM »

Oh haha, I thought his would be closer to Johnsson's QA (yeah I probably could've looked it up and done the math, but who can post with researched-quality for a full 82 game season); a 1 year bridge would make a lot of sense to me + Jan 1 extension. I don't think anyone on this team on the cusp of greatness is even going to entertain an offer sheet.

Nobody can, herman, nobody.


•Tyler Ennis - Ankle - Injured Reserve
•Derek MacKenzie - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
•Jamie McGinn - Back - Injured Reserve
•Vincent Trocheck - Ankle - Injured Reserve
•MacKenzie Weegar - Concussion - Injured Reserve

I forgot Ennis is on the team.

What is puck luck?


Sometimes, you do everything right but the nature of the environment and play medium kiboshes the result. Sometimes you fail at your original intent but the result lands favourably your way. Most of these goals are the result of doing the difficult things that luck can’t stop: being heavy on your stick, getting to contested ice, and being in the spot where most of the probable bounces meet at the right time (like Butterfly but for skaters). Sometimes the inanimate mic taped to the glass too, helps you ice the game.

Agreed. This is why I was frustrated a number of times last night -- despite the win. They're still guilty of trying to make the perfect plan at times. There were at least 5 times the better play would have been a shot on net. Puck luck isn't going to help if the pucks not heading to the net.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Trade deadline moves
« on: January 18, 2019, 09:44:58 AM »
He doesn't have arbitration rights, I think you mean. He will be an RFA after this season and can sign with any team.

Kadri then Marleau. Hopefully Nylander is next.

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