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The Leafs just got knocked out of first place in the league by Tampa Bay.  We play them on Thursday, December 13th, in Tampa.  I can't wait.  This is a huge measuring stick game for the team, and a likely playoff opponent also.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 17, 2018, 05:53:51 PM »


Isn't Erik Karlsson having a bad season by his standards?  That could turn out to be an interesting trade.  But really would San Jose really trade him so quickly after recently acquiring him?

There seems to be a very strong culture in Toronto and that could be just what Erik Karlsson needs.  That trade prospect is interesting actually.  I think I would strongly consider it if I were Dubas.  Multiple years of Nylander for one year of Karlsson, though.  San Jose would have to sweeten the pot, big time.
San Jose would have to give up an additional 1st rounder if Karlsson is traded back to the east in the 18/19 season, so not happening unless the team from the east is giving up multiple 1sts to SJ.

Also, Nylander being moved in a deal where they key piece the Leafs get in return is a rental is ridiculous. Its not going to happen.
I don't think there will be a trade.  I think Nylander will either sign with the Leafs, or he will sit.  I have a feeling Dubas will take the trade option completely off the table.  I would be shocked if anyone offered anything meaningful for Nylander while also paying him top dollar.  It's giving up assets for the "privilege" of overpaying for Nylander.  It makes no sense.  Zero.  Dubas has exactly zero chance of getting even half of Nylander's value back in terms of a trade.  He seems smart.  I would be shocked if he did something so stupid.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 17, 2018, 03:54:40 PM »
I work for an explosive supplier as a technician.
Remind me not to piss you off.

Besides, I think you've got lots of other career potential, including in the NHL. For example, when you hear about teams blowing it all up and starting over, you can be a big help there.
That sounds like dangerous work, actually.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 17, 2018, 03:04:45 PM »
You guys are comparing the free market to a totalitarian regime.  The Leafs "own" William Nylander until he's 27 years old.  Nylander can do basically whatever he wants.  But at the end of the day he is under team control and he has to accept what they will give him.  Or not play hockey in the NHL.  That's his choice.  I'm not saying Nylander has to like it.  But he should at the very least start to accept the fact that his little protest probably will not turn out the way he wants it to.

I'm going to ask this question:  If the Leafs sign Nylander for say $7 million, would that still leave them with any free cap space to make a trade deadline acquisition for a playoff run?  My curiosity is, would the team perhaps be better off with a rental such as Drew Doughty rather than worrying about Nylander?  I wonder if LA would entertain a Nylander for Doughty trade, and if we would get anything back in the way of prospects and/or salary retained.

Sure, the leafs "own" the rights to Nylander but are the Leafs willing to let that asset they own sit and not make them any more money? It's not exactly cut and dry and it isn't only Nylander that is hurt by him sitting on the sidelines.

As for Doughty, he's not much of a rental. Karlsson on the other hand. ;)
Isn't Erik Karlsson having a bad season by his standards?  That could turn out to be an interesting trade.  But really would San Jose really trade him so quickly after recently acquiring him?

There seems to be a very strong culture in Toronto and that could be just what Erik Karlsson needs.  That trade prospect is interesting actually.  I think I would strongly consider it if I were Dubas.  Multiple years of Nylander for one year of Karlsson, though.  San Jose would have to sweeten the pot, big time.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 17, 2018, 11:41:22 AM »
Happened to TBay. At what point does more money matter? Like at the end of your career if you've made $50million does your life really materially change much if you make $60million or $70million? At what point do you go I'm ok with $50million if it means this staff keeps this core together long term and we make a run for it every year.


I mean, if you were negotiating your salary at work, and at the end of your career you could earn 1 million or 1.1 million would you not be looking for that 1.1 million? If you have 30 years of work, that extra $100k would only work out to an extra $3,333 a year. Not a big deal...per year.

I don't think we can fault anyone for trying to get what they think they are worth. It's their decision to not make anything if the company decides not to pay them.
I definitely hear you, and in my own way I truly respect Nylander for trying to stick it to "the Man", but really this is a fruitless fight.  Nylander is only hurting himself and it's going to earn him a ticket out of town.
You think he's sticking it to the man?

How much is he really hurting himself in this case.

I'm going to guess that the only option for Nylander to earn over $5 million dollars a year is to play hockey, and he isn't doing that right now.

Sure. I meant more in the long run though. I don't know how much this really hurts him. I suppose it could go either way.

The only option for me to make what I make is to do what I do.....Doesn't mean I'm going to settle for less than what I'm worth.

But what if your only option is to settle for less than what you think you're worth? What if there's no one willing to pay you more?

Well than, that's a choice I have to make.

As of now, there's only one team not willing to pay Nylander what he thinks he's worth. There's 29 other businesses that may or may not want to pay him. I wish there was 29 other businesses out there that did what I did so I could have that option.
You guys are comparing the free market to a totalitarian regime.  The Leafs "own" William Nylander until he's 27 years old.  Nylander can do basically whatever he wants.  But at the end of the day he is under team control and he has to accept what they will give him.  Or not play hockey in the NHL.  That's his choice.  I'm not saying Nylander has to like it.  But he should at the very least start to accept the fact that his little protest probably will not turn out the way he wants it to.

I'm going to ask this question:  If the Leafs sign Nylander for say $7 million, would that still leave them with any free cap space to make a trade deadline acquisition for a playoff run?  My curiosity is, would the team perhaps be better off with a rental such as Drew Doughty rather than worrying about Nylander?  I wonder if LA would entertain a Nylander for Doughty trade, and if we would get anything back in the way of prospects and/or salary retained.

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I still have concerns that certain teams such as Boston will be able to completely shut the Leafs offense down.  Also big physical teams like Washington give me pause.  Isn't that when Auston Matthews got hurt?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 16, 2018, 09:53:45 PM »
Is Nylander even playing or working out right now?  What is he even doing?  And what are the Leafs going to do with him if/when he comes back?  Put him on the Marlies for a bit to get him up to speed?

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 16, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »
Happened to TBay. At what point does more money matter? Like at the end of your career if you've made $50million does your life really materially change much if you make $60million or $70million? At what point do you go I'm ok with $50million if it means this staff keeps this core together long term and we make a run for it every year.


I mean, if you were negotiating your salary at work, and at the end of your career you could earn 1 million or 1.1 million would you not be looking for that 1.1 million? If you have 30 years of work, that extra $100k would only work out to an extra $3,333 a year. Not a big deal...per year.

I don't think we can fault anyone for trying to get what they think they are worth. It's their decision to not make anything if the company decides not to pay them.
I definitely hear you, and in my own way I truly respect Nylander for trying to stick it to "the Man", but really this is a fruitless fight.  Nylander is only hurting himself and it's going to earn him a ticket out of town.
You think he's sticking it to the man?

How much is he really hurting himself in this case.

I'm going to guess that the only option for Nylander to earn over $5 million dollars a year is to play hockey, and he isn't doing that right now.
Is he sticking it to the Man?  Maybe.  In terms of how much he is hurting himself, that depends on whether or not he sits out for the entire season, which is a very real possibility at this point.  I have a feeling that an 11th hour deal will be reached with Dubas offering Nylander a little bit more, and Nylander taking it.  But how much salary will Nylander have sacrificed at that point?  $1 million?  $2 million?  I'm going to split that down the middle and say it's $1.5 million.  I really don't think Dubas is going to give him more than say $400,000 extra per season in an 11th hour deal.  Over a 7 year deal that's $2.8 million.  So I guess that's what Nylander is banking on.  Even if he only gets $200,000 extra per season that will cover his costs for sitting out, and I'm pretty sure this will help the Leafs with the salary cap in future seasons also.  So we'll see.  I am hopeful that is how this will all turn out but there are no certainties in all of this.  And I really do believe that Nylander feels he would be in a better situation elsewhere.  I predict Dubas will shut that option down entirely unless this turns into a protracted dispute with Nylander sitting out for the season.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 16, 2018, 05:35:38 PM »
Happened to TBay. At what point does more money matter? Like at the end of your career if you've made $50million does your life really materially change much if you make $60million or $70million? At what point do you go I'm ok with $50million if it means this staff keeps this core together long term and we make a run for it every year.


I mean, if you were negotiating your salary at work, and at the end of your career you could earn 1 million or 1.1 million would you not be looking for that 1.1 million? If you have 30 years of work, that extra $100k would only work out to an extra $3,333 a year. Not a big deal...per year.

I don't think we can fault anyone for trying to get what they think they are worth. It's their decision to not make anything if the company decides not to pay them.
I definitely hear you, and in my own way I truly respect Nylander for trying to stick it to "the Man", but really this is a fruitless fight.  Nylander is only hurting himself and it's going to earn him a ticket out of town.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 16, 2018, 04:55:16 PM »
Nylander's contract dispute was the best thing that ever happened to Kasperi Kapanen.  He doesn't have the same elite level of offensive talent as Nylander, however Kapanen is faster, harder working, much better defensively, bigger and more physical, and more of a team player.  I really like him.

Kapanen reminds me of Hyman and Marner in the sense that he has a relentless work ethic.  He's a fast skater also.  That's the type of player you want on your team, IMO.

How do we know Kapanen is harder working and more of a team player?

In terms of size, Hockeydb has Nylander at 6'-0", 191 lb and Kapanen at 6'-1", 192 lb. That's pretty negligible. I also question if he's much better defensively. He's a great penalty killer, but that doesn't equate to overall defensive ability. Nylander is fantastic at stripping the puck from other players and has historically faced much harder competition.
Just from the eye test, Kapanen backchecks more.  And he's faster.  He's relentless going after the puck and creating turnovers.  He reminds me of Marner in that way.  I just don't see that from Nylander.  Perhaps he does more subtle things the fly under the radar.  He is certainly a smoother type of player making really slick plays.  The two are very different.  I'm not trying to say that Nylander is not good.  Simply that Kapanen is playing outstanding hockey and he's playing a style that I really like and appreciate, personally.  I'm going to say that Kapanen, Marner, and Hyman are my three favorite players on the team.  I like Andersen also.  And don't get me wrong, Auston Matthews is incredible (not to mention Tavares).  I just really like the players that work hard, backcheck, and create turnovers.  The Leafs are fortunate to have at least three players on the team that can do that on a high level.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 16, 2018, 04:48:59 PM »
Nylander's contract dispute was the best thing that ever happened to Kasperi Kapanen.  He doesn't have the same elite level of offensive talent as Nylander, however Kapanen is faster, harder working, much better defensively, bigger and more physical, and more of a team player.  I really like him.

Kapanen reminds me of Hyman and Marner in the sense that he has a relentless work ethic.  He's a fast skater also.  That's the type of player you want on your team, IMO.
Starting to look like a great deal for Kessel,  Freddie A and Kapi came out of it.
I agree.  It's shocking.  The real miracle deal was getting rid of Phaneuf though.  I never thought that would be possible, let alone to get the assets back that we got.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 16, 2018, 01:56:13 PM »
Nylander's contract dispute was the best thing that ever happened to Kasperi Kapanen.  He doesn't have the same elite level of offensive talent as Nylander, however Kapanen is faster, harder working, much better defensively, bigger and more physical, and more of a team player.  I really like him.

Kapanen reminds me of Hyman and Marner in the sense that he has a relentless work ethic.  He's a fast skater also.  That's the type of player you want on your team, IMO.

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General Info / Re: Site issues
« on: November 14, 2018, 07:56:44 PM »
Thanks, Rick.  Good luck getting everything working.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« on: November 14, 2018, 07:07:52 PM »
It's not about money for the Leafs, it's about cap space. Their endless cash is irrelevant since they can only spend what everyone else can.

This isn't a case of the Leafs being cheap.
I realize that.  It's just that from Nylander's standpoint, he's probably thinking to himself "Why is Carolina offering me $8 million but the Leafs are only willing to pay me $6 million?".  From Nylander's standpoint, the salary cap is irrelevant and quite frankly the cap crunch was created by Dubas signing Tavares.  And he would not be incorrect with that assessment.

From Nylander's standpoint, in Carolina he would get more money, more ice time, more recognition, and he wouldn't have to deal with the Toronto media.  Nylander may want to push this to the wall in the hope that Dubas trades him.  He may be trying to force Dubas' hand.  If Dubas pays him, fine.  But if not, we will see him traded IMO.  I don't see the Leafs signing Nylander to any kind of reasonable contract.  It wouldn't make sense on a number of levels.

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