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Messages - Chris
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« on: July 08, 2019, 05:04:59 PM »
I'm sure Matthews would prefer to play with Nylander versus Kapanen - who wouldn't? For all his speed, Kapanen is nowhere near the passer or playmaker that Nylander is.
However, I doubt Matthews ever told Simmons that. He's just stating something that is obvious to anyone who has watched the Leafs.
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« on: July 02, 2019, 06:08:09 PM »
I'd really like to replace Ceci with Gardiner if it is at all possible - assuming Gardiner's back is not going to be a recurring problem. Maybe he takes a big discount to stay in Toronto for a short term deal. Otherwise, I'm pretty impressed by what Dubas has been able to achieve the last couple of weeks. He certainly didn't play it safe.
Regarding Kadri...loved him as a Leaf but he severely hurt the team the past 2 springs. I know Dubas said that had nothing to do with the decision to trade him, but not sure I completely buy that (would anyone expect him to say otherwise?) At the least, it had to make it easier to let him go.
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« on: June 28, 2019, 06:22:12 PM »
So IF Marner were to sign an offer sheet and leave, how would he be received when that team comes to Toronto for the first time? Would it be like Tavares on Long Island? Do Leaf fans have it in them to behave that way?
Honestly who cares? I mean I guess you do but I really don’t. How a bunch of people I don’t know will react to a player who signed a contract with another team? What does it matter?
I don't care that you don't care, but thanks for your precious response.
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« on: June 28, 2019, 10:20:21 AM »
So IF Marner were to sign an offer sheet and leave, how would he be received when that team comes to Toronto for the first time? Would it be like Tavares on Long Island? Do Leaf fans have it in them to behave that way?
As for the question of why fans care...my opinion, once you start talking about earning 8 or 9 million a year, the extra 2-4 really makes no difference in your life. You and your kids will be set for life and will never have to worry about money. But that extra 2-4 million tacked onto a few contracts (Matthews and potentially Marner) can really have a negative impact on the ability of management to put together a strong supporting cast. I don't think it's very likely that a team that consists of Tavares/Matthews/Marner/Nylander and a scrub defense is going to win a Cup, unless ALL the breaks go their way one year.
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« on: June 25, 2019, 03:24:34 PM »
$13 or $14M for Marner? I'll believe it when I see it. If it comes to that, hopefully we can sign someone else (like Panarin) for a more reasonable amount and use the extra for another position of need (we do need a defense, after all). And the picks will be icing on the cake.
The big risk is that we let Marner go and aren't able to sign a really good player to take his spot.
In this hypothetical world, if Marner signs for $13M, Panarin or equivalent won’t be signing for $9M.
Maybe not, but Panarin+4 first rounders > Marner
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« on: June 25, 2019, 02:53:45 PM »
$13 or $14M for Marner? I'll believe it when I see it. If it comes to that, hopefully we can sign someone else (like Panarin) for a more reasonable amount and use the extra for another position of need (we do need a defense, after all). And the picks will be icing on the cake.
The big risk is that we let Marner go and aren't able to sign a really good player to take his spot.
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« on: June 24, 2019, 09:31:36 PM »
Friedman is going full Dreger with a statement like that.
I'm still on the fence on if I'd rather have $10m in cap space and 4 first round picks (as currency) vs. having Marner, given the current makeup of the the Leafs.
Honestly, should I not be?
I go back and forth on this topic. You could potentially do a lot to improve the team with 10$million+ in cap space and 4 additional first round picks. Even if we sign Marner to a "reasonable" contract, the defense is still scary.
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« on: June 04, 2019, 11:02:49 AM »
I don't buy for a second that all that many fans would care about Marner choosing to sign a slightly higher offer sheet provided the Leafs match and he plays well.
Likewise, if he signs somewhere else and the Leafs don't match he'll be unpopular here regardless of the terms of the offer sheet. I don't think "Yeah he left, but he left for an extra 7 million as opposed to 3.5" is going to win too many fans over.
Yeah, if Mitch Marner is in a Leafs jersey next year, fans will be happy. If he isn't, they won't be.
There's plenty of incentive on his side to accept an offer sheet, provided he's confident that the Leafs would match (and, if they're not indicating otherwise and showing they're willing to trade him, he should be confident that they'd match anything below the 4 1st rounder compensation).
If I were Mitch (and maybe I am, you never know on the internet), I would show the offer sheet to the leafs as evidence of my worth, have a discussion, and hope that gives me a little more negotiating leverage. If Dubas says he can’t go that high, I wouldn’t sign it. Too much risk for not enough gain. I like my teammates. I like my city. I enjoy singing Bon Jovi on the bench. My linemates look like they are going to give me pretty much the best possible chance to maximize my on-ice success. I’ve got a bunch of endorsements that can make up a chunk of the difference and increase my stardom. Yes, for the sake of status, i’d like a higher number but I don’t think I’d risk all the other things for $73.5 million (10.5) vs $66.5 million (9.5) over the next 7 years (for example). But that’s just me and I may or may not be Mitch.
I hope you're Mitch! I'd like to believe it isn't all about the money for Mitch, and that the stuff we're hearing is coming from his father. As for the fans, not sure how well they'll react if Mitch and his crew hold the Leafs hostage for a ridiculous salary that handcuffs the team in other areas. Yeah, a defense with Holl and Marincin playing major minutes sounds great! Stanley Cup, here we come.
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« on: May 31, 2019, 05:47:35 PM »
4) seems to complain a little about being stuck in a defence-only role with the Leafs. That 4th point is what stuck out the most to me and could be a reason behind the trade request. But I'd imagine there's gotta be other stuff going on too. If that was it he could have tried working with the coaching staff about adjusting his role. I've always wondered how much of Zaitsev's struggles with the puck were due to his own limitations, versus how much was due to the "Babcock Leash". I've seen him lug the puck up the ice into the offensive zone successfully often enough to believe that he has that ability, yet he often handles the puck like a grenade and just throws it out of the d zone. Is that due to a lack of vision or low panic point, or is he told to just get it out. Guess we'll find out if he winds up somewhere else.
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« on: May 31, 2019, 01:27:35 PM »
It wouldn't shock me. There's been a fair amount of speculation that he'd be open to a trade that sends him back to the west coast. LA likely being terrible next season does complicate things, but, I can see it happening.
I think it does a little more than just complicate things. We're talking about a guy who's had a Hall-of-very-good career and almost certainly has just one more shot at winning the Cup before he has to retire. A trade back to San Jose I could understand, but a bottom-feeder like LA just seems way too unlikely. But I guess we'll see.
Will be very interesting to see what comes of this. Maybe Marleau realizes that his contract is going to have a significant negative impact on the Leafs chances to win a cup in his final year. Spending those 6 mil on the defense would greatly increase their chances. But LA...at least he'll play everyday and won't be stuck on the 4th line. Maybe he then gets moved at the deadline to a contender.
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« on: May 30, 2019, 07:33:36 PM »
I love Nikita for being the one to ask for a change of scenery.
someone once asked me if I wanted a contract (I knew I could totally trust this man), I said look I don't need a contract because if I am performing you will more than want me to continue to work for you. If I don't produce why would I expect you to be forced to keep me. I have worked this way for over 20 years and its all been based on a handshake.
Now Zaitzev is no wallflower, probably takes a huge amount of pride in what he does, and the Leafs want a quick break out pass and Z is not a break out pass kind of guy, he is is puck carrying Dude. He knows the Leafs are not using him to his strength. He is doing the decent thing by asking for the trade, he doesnt want to play were he is not wanted.
Hope Dubas can make all of us happy.
May mean Hainsey gets a one year deal though
I'm all for moving Zaitsev, but someone has to play defense. Losing Gardiner/Zaitsev/Hainsey plus Dermott out for the start of the season doesn't paint a pretty picture. Hainsey on a one year deal, played on the 2nd or 3rd pair, works for me.
Maybe Marner can play some defense...
Rielly
Muzzin
Rosen
Holl
Marincin
Borgman
Sandin
Ummm
Holl and Marincin, huh? Ummm... Maybe Borgman and Rosen. Sandin most likely ain't ready. Lily probably ain't either.
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« on: May 30, 2019, 06:51:35 PM »
I love Nikita for being the one to ask for a change of scenery.
someone once asked me if I wanted a contract (I knew I could totally trust this man), I said look I don't need a contract because if I am performing you will more than want me to continue to work for you. If I don't produce why would I expect you to be forced to keep me. I have worked this way for over 20 years and its all been based on a handshake.
Now Zaitzev is no wallflower, probably takes a huge amount of pride in what he does, and the Leafs want a quick break out pass and Z is not a break out pass kind of guy, he is is puck carrying Dude. He knows the Leafs are not using him to his strength. He is doing the decent thing by asking for the trade, he doesnt want to play were he is not wanted.
Hope Dubas can make all of us happy.
May mean Hainsey gets a one year deal though
I'm all for moving Zaitsev, but someone has to play defense. Losing Gardiner/Zaitsev/Hainsey plus Dermott out for the start of the season doesn't paint a pretty picture. Hainsey on a one year deal, played on the 2nd or 3rd pair, works for me. Maybe Marner can play some defense...
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« on: May 28, 2019, 08:14:59 PM »
I just listened to the clip, he doesn't say "expects" using that work specifically but he absolutely says the Marner camp is looking towards July 1st and beyond July 1st and he'd "be shocked" if Marner isn't on a plane June 26th visiting other teams. So yeah in essence the article correctly spews Dreger's idiotic ramblings
We must be listening to different interviews. Edit to add - yes, there are at least 2 different interviews out there and in one of them, he says what you have quoted. Not in the other, though.
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« on: May 28, 2019, 05:19:52 PM »
This info is all from Dreger, so I wouldn't get too worked up about it just yet.
I will say this, though: if Marner leaves you and I and every other Leafs fan will spend the rest of our lives hearing a certain segment of the base complain along the lines of "I can't believe they kept Nylander and let Marner go!" It may be worth it to overpay Mitch just to avoid that annoyance.
Ya this is all 'Dreger expects' not even 'Dreger heard'.
"Dreger [having been in continuous contact with Marner's camp for years now and understanding his agent's view of the player and the market] expects..."
I don't like Dreger, but he does usually seem to have pretty good access to and has been a reliable conduit for the thinking of some the least likable people around the Leafs org (ah, the Nonis years!).
Maybe, but my default position is speculo-Dreger and besides Can8899 says that LN may be misreading what he said.
Anyhoo, I'm going to continue to whistle my merry tune until told otherwise by reliable journos.
I just listened to the interview and Dreger never said he "expects" negotiations to go past July 1. He said "if it goes by July 1 then the leverage 100% is on Marner's side." Also never said Marner is expected to visit other teams.
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« on: May 28, 2019, 03:24:10 PM »
If he's insistent on ridiculous money yet cannot find an acceptable offer sheet from another team, the Leafs should just let him sit out the year and deal with him once Marleau's contract is off the books. That way they can sign everyone else they need.
I think the team probably takes a step back this upcoming year either way. If they sign Marner for ridiculous money, they lose Kapanen and/or Johnsson, Gardiner, etc, and are unable to replace them with comparable talent. Or, they lose Marner for a year yet keep the supporting cast.
If the Marner talks drag on it impacts the team's ability to deal with their other players effectively. How do you know what to do with Johnsson or Kapanen when you don't have Marner signed.
Maybe things will all work out but I'm starting to get concerned about the ability of this team to make all the pieces fit.
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