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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: Today at 03:45:33 PM »
From that article Carlton shared...
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"I'm not saying Matthews is anything less but I'm saying as myself, I see Marner as a top guy that when [head coach Mike] Babcock looks down the bench, he seems to look for Marner," Bolland said.

Actually, Babcock was looking for John Tavares.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: Today at 12:46:50 PM »
I guess another point of discussion is also about the term prospect in general. Its rare but not impossible to see a young player break into the league pretty early on and sort of fizzle out in years 3-4 after the league catches on to their schtick (or luck reverses). Case in point Patrik Laine. Theres still development to be had there. Theres still uncertainty in his projection.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: Today at 12:37:53 PM »
Less facetiously, I will add that the thread still serves as a place to discuss prospects (usually outside of the NHL and AHL rosters) regardless of the PPP summer exercise that serves as the throughline.

I still name the thread like this to deliberately incite that annual bUt HoW can TheY bE a PrOsPEct? response, so heres my self-congratulatory pat on the back.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: Today at 12:08:49 PM »
Lol

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: Today at 09:05:42 AM »
8. Travis Dermott

Dragging Ozhiganov around the ice apparently did a number on people's perception of Dermott.

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The most boring timeline, but getting some strong Shooter McGavin vibes from this photo.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: Yesterday at 12:50:59 PM »
For reference:
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Organizational Top 10 (23 and Under)
Auston Matthews, C (21)
Mitch Marner, RW (22)
William Nylander, C (23)
Kasperi Kapanen, RW (23)
Rasmus Sandin, D (19)
Travis Dermott, D (22)
Jeremy Bracco, RW (22)
Joseph Woll, G (21)
Nicholas Robertson, LW (17)
Timothy Liljegren, D (20)

I think the linearity of the list presentation obscures that he's probably ranking them in more of a tier and heavily favours offensive ceiling in his projections (a la Laine > Matthews). What puts Woll in the conversation likely has to do with positional value. An NHL backup goalie > 3rd pair D?

My ranking of the same list by ceiling is more like
Matthews
Marner, Nylander
Sandin, Dermott, Liljegren
Kapanen, Robertson
Woll
Bracco

but what do I know? I'm still tempted to slot Nylander over Marner by a narrow margin. Yeah it's different than my page 4 T25U25 rankings, but that was me guessing what PPP voters would do.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: Yesterday at 08:54:42 AM »
9. Timothy Liljegren

He played hard minutes for the Marlies as a mostly 19 year old and got the Focus on Defense training regimen. And by all accounts, his defense has improved significantly.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: Yesterday at 12:15:26 AM »

Because the Leafs committed to using LTIR, it will be impossible for the Leafs to sign Marner to anything more than ~10.5M AAV deeper into the season because of the pro-rated first year cap hit exceeding our LTIR room.

Because he also has no intention of playing outside of Toronto and no one is willing to offer a mind changing amount in addition to the 4 1sts, the only thing we are waiting for is how many years Marner will sign at the close of pre-season.

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 20, 2019, 08:47:58 AM »
10. Trevor Moore

Big booty big booty big booty

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 19, 2019, 08:31:29 AM »
11. Nick Robertson

Future Zach Hyman but with hands?!

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#blessed

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 16, 2019, 10:26:46 AM »
12. Jeremy Bracco

Marner-lite when drafted with an interesting skating quirk, and now a PP specialist whose path to the NHL is firmly blocked by Marner and Nylander. Unless our top-9 wings suddenly get really good at PK, there's no way Bracco gets into the 4th line either.

Kind of surprising he's fallen so far. Can't he get on the third line at some point? He put up great point totals last year, I think he might be able to help out the big team. We'll see how he does in camp.

He hasn't fallen so much as he just doesn't fill the NHL squad's gaps. Kapanen was a similar player of arguably lesser skill in certain capacities, but has leveraged an asset (speed) to fill a niche the Leafs needed (PK). Johnsson was primarily a PP sniper coming up the Swedish system and under Dubas/Keefe transformed into a stronger skating puck hound and garbage goal scoring threat (Dubas likens him to Arvidsson). Engvall was a large PP shooter that has developed a two-way game off of his size and skating. If Bracco can add one + level element to his off-puck game, he's in. As it stands, Bracco is on track to being Seth Griffith'd.

Edit: Frank beat me to it.

The comments in the article are amazingly similar to some of our conversations here lol

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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 16, 2019, 08:19:12 AM »
12. Jeremy Bracco

Marner-lite when drafted with an interesting skating quirk, and now a PP specialist whose path to the NHL is firmly blocked by Marner and Nylander. Unless our top-9 wings suddenly get really good at PK, there's no way Bracco gets into the 4th line either.

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