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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The Brian Burke Thread
« on: July 02, 2012, 08:02:22 AM »
The Canadian Armed Forces asked Brian Burke to go to Afghanistan last July 1 to spend time with the troops on Canada Day.  Can you imagine that backlash from some people in the media if he had turned down the invitation?

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NHL Transactions / Re: UFA 2012 / July 1st 2012 Thread
« on: July 02, 2012, 07:52:11 AM »
I will concede this point to you as soon as you provide an example of a short term contract that circumvents the cap.

I mean, if you don't see how a deal like DiPietro's is different than Luongo's I'm not sure how to explain it. People were talking about the Luongo type of contract that front loads a contract. There are short term deals that are front loaded too, Komisarek's for instance, but again that wasn't really the topic at hand.

And one of the reasons people are putting "circumvents" or derivations of that word in quotations is that some, including me, don't really feel that deals of that nature circumvent the cap

Sorry, but the topic was not about circumventing the salary cap.  The topic under discussion was the premise that the Leafs are handicapping themselves through self-imposed principles.  (And, with all due respect, I suspect that someone who is as argumentative as you understands the structure of an argument!)

The rebuttal is that there are valid business reasons for avoiding long term contracts, namely the risk.  I then proceeded to provide examples, DiPietro and Yashin, while conceding that not all long term contracts are as disastrous.

The insertion into the argument that front-end loaded contract are somehow different is both irrelevant and invalid.  (Just a small piece of advice, but when you have to stoop to offer the Komisarek contact as evidence of best practice in anything, you have already lost the argument.)

As pointed out by cw in another thread, there is no example of a long term contract (front-end loaded or not) helping any team win a Cup.  So, to paraphrase Ben Scrivens, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.

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NHL Transactions / Re: UFA 2012 / July 1st 2012 Thread
« on: July 01, 2012, 11:06:43 PM »
You are wrong; it is not the cap circumvention that hamstrings a team - it is the length of the contract.

Um, alright. But the discussion was about Burke's stance about deals that "circumvent" the cap. Not deals that are of a certain term. The point being made was that Burke's principles against the cap circumventing deals are hurting the team because lots of players want to sign deals of that nature and Burke's position essentially rules the Leafs out of the discussion for those players.

Long-term deals are a separate issue and while you can make the argument that the same discussion can be had about Burke's stance on them and how it benefits the team, it doesn't change the fact that the New York Islanders, and specifically the contracts they handed out to Alexei Yashin and Rick DiPietro are not examples of what was being discussed in the post you quoted.

I will concede this point to you as soon as you provide an example of a short term contract that circumvents the cap.

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NHL Transactions / Re: UFA 2012 / July 1st 2012 Thread
« on: July 01, 2012, 10:58:57 PM »
Wasn't the first team to start the long term contracts the New York Islanders?  First with DiPietro and then Yashin?  How is that working out for them?

Well, no. Yashin signed his deal before DiPietro and before the cap. Either way, neither contract is an example of front loading a contract and "circumventing" the cap.

You are correct; Yashin signed his deal before DiPietro.

You are wrong; it is not the cap circumvention that hamstrings a team - it is the length of the contract. 

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NHL Transactions / Re: UFA 2012 / July 1st 2012 Thread
« on: July 01, 2012, 10:40:40 PM »
I know we probably stand little chance of attracting either of these two, but the one thing that really bothers me about Burke is that his ridiculous stance on "cap circumventing" deals takes the leafs out of the running before we even have a chance to be considered.

Yeah, but you can't argue with success!

If I owned the team, I'd insist he changed that stance or I'd fire him, unless it's ownership that is telling him not to sign deals like this.

I really don't understand how he can operate in this manner, I could see a scenario where we lose Kessel because we refuse to give him a deal like this.

It infuriates me to no end. It's hard enough to build a Cup contender, and yet you handicap yourself even more with some idiotic self-imposed "principles"?

Wasn't the first team to start the long term contracts the New York Islanders?  First with DiPietro and then Yashin?  How is that working out for them?

Do not assume that Burke is avoiding long term contracts merely for "self-imposed principles".  You can make a business argument either way.  They are working for Detroit. Definitely not Long Island. Philadelphia may not be in love with them as much as they were.  They jetissoned Richards and Carter and must be regretting the commitment to Bryzgalov.  Do you think that Vancouver would find it easier to trade Luongo with a shorter contract?

Personally, I would prefer a strategy of paying more per year on shorter contracts than taking the risk of the longer contracts.

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If McClement replaces Armstrong on the roster, the Leafs are saving $500,000 (taking into account the Armstrong buyout) per year and have a better player.
Not replacing Armstrong though, they are totally different players.  Looks to be replacing Connoly, Lombardi or Steckel in some capacity.

I was referring to a roster spot, not a spot in the lineup.

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If McClement replaces Armstrong on the roster, the Leafs are saving $500,000 (taking into account the Armstrong buyout) per year and have a better player.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Leafs sign Frattin (2 Years, 850k AAV)
« on: July 01, 2012, 05:56:39 PM »
Cap hit goes down, but it guarantees NHL money for Frattin if he has to spend any time with the Marlies.

Does a one-way deal affect his waiver eligibility?

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The scouting reports on McClement from the time he was a junior until 2011 often refer to him as a potential Selke winner.  (Keeping in mind that there is a world of difference between a "potential" and "actual" winner.)

Colorado signed John Mitchell at $1.1 million per year to replace him.  Not sure I understand why Colorado thinks the $400 K saving is worth it.

Glad to see a solid bottom six signing at a reasonable cap hit.

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no one is speaking of Jonkinen whom may be a good short term fit, far better than Connelly

Jokinen has .65 points per game in his career.
Connolly has .62 ppg in his career.

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Luongo
« on: June 29, 2012, 08:58:52 PM »
FLORIDA/VANCOUVER TRADE CONFIRMED.

It has been confirmed that Florida and Vancouver completed a trade for Roberto Luongo on June 24.

The year was 2006. 


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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Goaltending conundrum
« on: June 29, 2012, 08:10:23 PM »
Rumor has it that leafs after Bernier who is unhappy in LA.

The Leafs need an experienced goaltender.  It makes no sense to go after Bernier who has not shown that he is any better than Reimer or Scrivens.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Goaltending conundrum
« on: June 29, 2012, 12:56:30 PM »
"he will be testing free agency if a deal is not in place by Sunday."

- Pat Brisson

So, posturing for more money from NJ most likely.  Still...one can dream...

McKenzie said he hasn't used an agent in a long time.

The contract would have to be quite a bit bigger to pay the agent and still have more money for himself than going without an agent.

I think this means there's a real chance he leaves NJ.

I do not think that is accurate.  I heard that Crosbie's agent will make a bit over $3 million for his contract extension, which is a lot of money, but only about 3% of the total contract value.  Thus, Brodeur does not need much of a bump to more than recover the cost of the agent.

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Best line about the Wideman signing:

Adam Oates ran into Wideman in the Capitals training facility and said that he wished he could be as lucky as Dennis.

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Leafs Media Rumours / Re: Shane Doan
« on: June 27, 2012, 09:01:46 PM »
Hopefully Burke can get him a contract that makes sense.  Perfect, perfect guy for the blue and white.

The thing is, there's almost no way the contract he gets will make sense. That's the only reason I want Burke to stay far away from those negotiations.

+1

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