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Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 22, 2019, 12:12:46 PM »
Words have meaning.  On a message board, it's kind of important.

Fine. I'll just recap then that you directly criticized Pension Plan Puppets, a blog that has nothing to do with TMLFans, and called their specific ranking system of players in the Leafs organization "almost perversely stupid" all because of where TMLFans, a forum that has nothing to do with PPP, choose to discuss said rankings.

Take it easy, CTB, nothing was meant personally.


Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: August 22, 2019, 12:09:01 PM »
Updates from a couple other RFAs:

Boeser is asking for 4 years with a $7mil AAV. Similar, but higher than, the deal that Timo Meier signed with San Jose. Since he apparently doesn't know he can just say "no comment" Benning pretty much admitted this was true while also saying he wouldn't be interested in back-loading the deal like Meier did.

This article doesn't mention what Rantanen's ask is because I'm pretty sure there hasn't been one yet. Sakic basically admits dialogue hasn't really even started yet on the contract. It says Sakic called Rantanen personally recently to see if he wants a short term or long term deal, and that's basically all the communication that's taken place between the two sides since the draft.

I wonder why it's taken so long for Sakic to start dialogue with Rantanen's agent. It's nice to know it isn't just us dealing with his logjam, and you have to think that even if Marner does sign that the logjam won't just automatically clear, either.

Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 21, 2019, 10:01:59 AM »
9. Timothy Liljegren

He played hard minutes for the Marlies as a mostly 19 year old and got the Focus on Defense training regimen. And by all accounts, his defense has improved significantly.

I was pretty surprised to see Pronman rate both Bracco and Woll ahead of him recently. I think he should be comfortably ahead of both them at this point (as he is on these rankings) but we'll see what the future holds.

I find it hard to believe Woll ought to be ranked ahead of Liljegren at this point.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: August 21, 2019, 09:06:15 AM »

Arbitration isn't really a solution either as besides it being an adversarial process that teams/players don't really like, you'd either have to make it so that RFA's could use it to compare themselves to UFA's to get a fair sense of their market value or keep it so RFA's could only compare themselves to other RFA's which is a dead market and basically kills the appeal of arbitration for players. This isn't to say it couldn't be an issue in the next CBA but if it is it will be pretty contentious depending on the parameters being set.

Remember, there were a lot of people during the Nylander negotiations who said that when looking at the Eichel or Draisaitl deals that it wasn't fair to expect teams to be bound by bad decisions other teams had made. Arbitration basically makes that unavoidable.

It isn't ideal but I think it's better than the process we have now. RFAs get arb rights in their second deals anyway and it's up to the player's & team's representatives to make their cases to the arbitrator. Let the rep make the case that another team shouldn't be punished by bad decisions and let the arbitrator make the call.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: August 21, 2019, 09:03:11 AM »
You've got to think this is going to come up in the next CBA now. Give them arb rights and be done with it.

If multiple guys go as long as Nylander then that might prompt some people towards change but a bunch of guys being unsigned a month before training camp begins isn't going to be a big deal.

Right, I'm thinking about it more if they don't show for training camp, miss games, pull a Nylander, possibly burn a year etc.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: August 21, 2019, 09:01:22 AM »

Because the Leafs committed to using LTIR, it will be impossible for the Leafs to sign Marner to anything more than ~10.5M AAV deeper into the season because of the pro-rated first year cap hit exceeding our LTIR room.

Because he also has no intention of playing outside of Toronto and no one is willing to offer a mind changing amount in addition to the 4 1sts, the only thing we are waiting for is how many years Marner will sign at the close of pre-season.

I don't know if it's completely unlikely that he burns the year.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: August 20, 2019, 10:04:01 AM »

"We took an approach where by we would be very proactive and progressive with Calgary," Meehan told reporters at the Serge Savard Golf Tournament held west of Montreal. "We started early, and we set a position. We didn't really have to wait. We formulated a position that we thought would be fair and we gave that to Calgary probably in the early part of June.

"So we're involved in negotiations right now, but as far as I'm concerned it's not a waiting game. We made a decision in terms of what we think is fair and relevant for the player and we're working with Calgary now."

Tkachuk isn't budging from his June offers. Rantanen hasn't received an offer from Colorado all summer. Laine couldn't really care less if he played in Winnipeg or not. Marner's picking his own comparables.

You've got to think this is going to come up in the next CBA now. Give them arb rights and be done with it.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Official TV Thread
« on: August 20, 2019, 10:02:48 AM »
The fragmented digital streaming environment is getting really annoying.

Agreed. Eventually we are going to have as many streaming services as we do cable channels. Thus, rendering the benefits of streaming null and void. We will just have streaming bundles instead of cable bundles.

Well, that's sort of the point. All the money people were saving by cutting cable and streaming was money that ended up not going to big media companies. They were always going to try to get that money back.

Yes, of course, we all knew they were going to get it back, and I'm happy to pay in some respects since there's more flexibility with what you choose to pay for, but I wonder if we're going to see more and more fragmentation and other companies breaking away from Netflix/Hulu/Crave to have in house options. It may get to the point of absurdity.

Non-Hockey Chatter / Re: The Official TV Thread
« on: August 19, 2019, 11:02:33 AM »

Pricing is announced to be $8.99 / month (or $89.99 if you want to pay annually).

No Hulu/ESPN bundle, which isn't particularly surprising.

Fox's branding wasn't included in this tweet, so it seems like Canadians might not be getting that. Does someone else have the digital rights to that at the moment up here?

The fragmented digital streaming environment is getting really annoying.

Marlies & Prospect Talk / Re: Ranking Prospects 2019-2020
« on: August 16, 2019, 10:18:35 AM »
12. Jeremy Bracco

Marner-lite when drafted with an interesting skating quirk, and now a PP specialist whose path to the NHL is firmly blocked by Marner and Nylander. Unless our top-9 wings suddenly get really good at PK, there's no way Bracco gets into the 4th line either.

Kind of surprising he's fallen so far. Can't he get on the third line at some point? He put up great point totals last year, I think he might be able to help out the big team. We'll see how he does in camp.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« on: August 12, 2019, 11:56:52 AM »
At the risk of a far more boring take, I'd wager it's far more likely that the leafs and marner are pretty much aligned on a framework, and see no point in rushing to close off the details until more RFAs finalize or we get closer to the start of the season.

We're obviously stuck in a holding pattern. Everyone wants to ignore Aho and have someone else who knocks it out of the park dollar wise to set the market.


Considering that North America has a sports culture where any even remote sign of independance or a lack of willingness to show complete deference to authority gets you labelled a troublemaker or a weirdo(Remember how Kyle Wellwood...gasp...sometimes read books?) then it's not shocking that someone who isn't used to that would find it a bit strange. Especially for end of the roster guys where getting in good with a coach can mean the difference between playing and not playing.

I remember Kyle Wellwood less for reading books and more for getting fat.

Yeah, the KHL is much more manly. Loaded handguns in the locker room, planes that may or may not take off or land, and if you have a heart attack on the bench, they dump your body on the pavement in front of the arena so that people can take pictures before attempting any sort of resuscitation.

But no one sucks up to the coach. Probably because he's working at the borscht concessions up until the puck drop.

For real. Enjoy your gulag, comrade.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Bruins playoff rematch
« on: August 02, 2019, 02:49:50 PM »
Here why I think the Leafs will finally clear this hurdle. This assumes they will meet up again and they go into the playoffs relatively healthy, without missing key pieces.

1. Upgrade on defence. I think overall the Leafs defence will be considerably better. Muzzin will have a full year in the Leafs system, and he was very good last year. Barrie is a huge add, a right shot, an upgrade on Gardiner, actually a huge upgrade on the injured Gardiner of last year. Dermott should also be healthier.

2. Additions of Kerfoot and Spezza. Unlike Naz, who I really liked, Kerfoot should actually play a full playoff round against the Bruins. Spezza's experience and skill alone is a big upgrade on the Goat. Also, I think Spezza is going to work really hard at coming to camp in great shape. He's got to know his kicks at the can are running out and this is a legit opportunity for him to be part of something huge as a hometown kid. I'm sure he's going to want to be in tip top shape for potentially a long playoff run. I think he may not be as slow as people are expecting, even though speed admittedly was never really his greatest asset.

3. Beefing up the fourth line. I think you'll see guys like Marchment and/or Engvall be parts of the 4th line sometime this season. Babs wants size and I think Dubas will concur as these guys also bring some skill with it. They had a couple of years of progression at the AHL level and I think they'll get the opportunity to make the jump this season. Engvall is pretty flexible, so maybe he could play right side, or maybe centre, with Spezza sliding over. I think they continue experimenting with Engvall at centre at the AHL level if he doesn't make the team out of camp. After size and weight of that line: Marchment-Spezza-Engvall would be 6'4" 210 pounds. That would be some substantial leaning on an opposition defence for a 4th line.

4. Maturing of young players. True the Bruins have some young star players as well, Pasternak, McAvoy, Carlo, but I think the Leafs have a lot more of them. Plus big part of Bruins is cruising through their 30s (40s for Chara), Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Rask, Backus (if they can't unload him). It's got to start taking a toll on them at some point, and I think the long playoff run without a cup had to be wearing.

5. Home ice advantage. They Leafs would have probably had this last year if they'd kept Mac and cut Sparks loose, but I think Neuvirth will be an upgrade there as well.

6. Trade deadline options. If Bracco has another big year at in the AHL (and if he's healthy no reason to suspect he won't), he could be a nice trade chip at the deadline; or they keep him and trade someone else to strengthen the lineup even further.

There are some assumptions here of course, but I really think the Leafs will surpass the Bruins this season on several fronts. In addition, the Bruins are starting to run into cap issues of their own.

I really thought the Bs had a good addition with Marcus Johansson and he's gone. The older players are going to get older. While I think the B's first line is deadly I still think they're mostly a one line team with Bergeron and Marchand getting older. The B's really made it as far as they did on the back of Tuukka Rask, and I really don't see him taking the team back to the final again with those kind of numbers. Their D corps is pretty good with McAvoy & Carlo but none of the others wow me. And to top it off they have Par Lindholm on the roster.

I really don't know how they're such a great team with the lineup they have, it really doesn't wow me.

The Leafs really have to hope they can figure out something on D though. It's still a bad D core, even though just about anyone would be an upgrade over Hainsey/Zaitsev. Losing Gards and replacing him with Barrie is kind of a wash, except we'll have a less exposed right side.

Luke DeCock.  There's a name.

I resisted writing this post  ;D

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