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General NHL News & Views / Re: Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
« on: Today at 01:06:43 PM »
The slippery slope of combatting racism, discrimination, etc?
Avro, why don't you read the article by Jerry Agar in the Toronto Sun this morning..slippery slope indeed.  I really don't believe Don is a racist anymore than you and I are.  He just wants everyone to respect the Poppy as a symbol of all the freedom we have today. Was he out of line, yes we all agree on what he said and how he said it.

If you want to discount what Don has said all these years be my guest. If you want to speak for yourself and say your beliefs are on par with Cherry's beliefs or vice-versa go ahead. But I really don't think making that call on someone else is a good or fair comparison to make.

General NHL News & Views / Re: Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
« on: Today at 12:54:14 PM »
I am very disappointed that many of my fellow Canadians cannot see the slippery slope we're going down.

How sad.
He is a broadcaster for hockey. Coaches Corner shouldnt be the Don Cherry chastises the public at large for imaginary problems or for his politics. There is no slippery slope here. He could've just said it's important to support the troops, wear a poppy, but no. He singled out and chastised certain groups of people on air. I don't think this is a good way to grow the game.

Like I said before, if I represented my company the way he did in a public function I wouldn't even be given the benefit of apologizing for my poor choice of words - I would just be fired and I would own that because a decision like that carries consequences. The fact that he was given a chance to apologize and rephrase and he didn't and chose to be fired is his decision. He's a big boy and he made his choice.

My grandparents came to this country from Italy and I don't recall them ever wearing a poppy but they did sometimes watch hockey. I just think to myself if I were them how would I feel being yelled at by this guy when all I want to do is watch hockey?

General NHL News & Views / Re: Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
« on: Today at 12:47:42 PM »
There is a very good counter article to Don's firing in the Toronto Sun today.  Also if you think Don being fired for this is wrong, there are now several petitions to reinstate him that are gathering speed.

Again not saying he was right, but Freedom of Speech is paramount to our future. Which is in grave risk, especially from the Social Media mob and AI which is creeping up on all of us.
Generally when debating two parties have to agree to the ground rules. In this case it's a decision on the definition of freedom of speech. There is an objective definition of freedom of speech, and in this case you can't decide what it means, but if you have decided to remain ignorant of the definition then there is no conversation to be had.

General NHL News & Views / Re: Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
« on: Today at 09:30:42 AM »
And I think at the end of the day the idea that he thinks more people should wear a poppy probably isn't that controversial, and people acting like there isn't an undercurrent here need to give their heads a shake.

I don't think there will be any pushback if he said something along the lines of "Remembrance Day is a day to remember our fallen soldiers who fought for the rights and freedoms we all enjoy. Show how much you care. Wear a poppy"

The "you people" "milk and honey" and "small town" and all that is what's wrong, not the poppy sentiment in and of itself, and even the Canadian Legion agrees!

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Hutchinson placed on waivers
« on: Yesterday at 11:36:26 PM »

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.

Could've should've done a lot of different things. Curtis McElhinney should have been kept. Could have let Willy sit. If any of the forwards are sent away, I still prefer it be him. Andreas and Kasperi both play with more of an edge than little Willy does.
I will still say it made more sense at the time to roll the dice on the Calder Cup winning goaltender at the time than a journeyman backup as Sparks was going to be waived and claimed.

General NHL News & Views / Re: Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
« on: Yesterday at 11:33:44 PM »
And speaking of thumbs up, is Ron going to be allowed to skate off with having given the thumbs up to Cherry's comments?  His apology was ... nicely rehearsed.  He not only failed to catch it, he affirmed it.

Like I said earlier, I think they'd have let Cherry himself skate with a half-hearted apology.

People may complain about him getting fired for offensive remarks or PC culture or whatever other made up nonsense but I think the stark reality is he's only losing his job because of a completely unreasonable stubbornness.

Which, you know, I'd grudgingly respect if it was anyone else.
How could he apologize for something he said and meant, that was his freedom to say, that men died so he could say it, no matter how much it antagonizes people.  The real fault is Sportsnet knows Don was a very loose cannon, to say the least. Why he didn't have a censor working with him on each and every episode is a major fault of a huge conglomerate network of companies. Someone at Sportnet F--ked up as well and they should also take responsibility for letting a known "Howard Beale" rant on National TV every week.  As a matter of fact as a one of the angry masses, I demand that Sportsnet fires someone for allowing Don not to be censored........see how it works???

Do you know what Freedom of Expression actually means? Don is more than entitled to his opinions and he is more entitled to say them whenever he wants. The difference is Sportsnet and Rogers also has the "freedom' to fire his dumbass when he says something stupid. Freedom of expression is the freedom to say want you want, it isn't the freedom to be exempt from the consequences of your words.
If Don was just an old man on Twitter and had this opinion, no one would have given him a second glance.But you don't get to go on national television and denigrate other people for something that isn't even true and expect to skate away scot free.

Well, actually, that's not quite true.  But this isn't about freedom of speech, to me anyways.

To me, this is about a company that knowingly hired Don Cherry knowing full well that he has been saying things like this for years, to get eyeballs on their channel on Saturday nights, and the resulting advertising dollars for their owners, and then this company gets on a pretty fking high horse to condemn him when he says something over-the-line, again.  Sportsnet has been complicit in his stuff for years, as has MacLean.

I have no problem with them firing Cherry.  But to me, what makes me puke here is Sportsnet's bull#$#% statement about inclusiveness and what they stand for, and MacLean's "I didn't catch it" statement.  You didn't catch that, Ron?  You were shocked by the statements were you Sportsnet?  Come on, this is all too rich for me.   

This also has nothing to do with left-wing or right-wing politics, so let's not go there.  Don Cherry put together a pretty lucrative career saying controversial things, and I think it's fitting that his trademark controversial remarks is what lost him a job.  Live by the sword, I guess.
There's saying controversial things related to hockey and then there's deriding immigrants/new Canadians or what have you.

I honestly don't recall the last time where he's said something so overt to viewers at home disassociated from hockey.

General NHL News & Views / Re: Don Cherry fired by Sportsnet
« on: Yesterday at 11:25:39 PM »
You just can't say what you mean anymore.  Politically correct is the only correct, kind of scary actually.

You clearly don't understand it, do you?
Oh, I think I do and maybe more than you can imagine.  I never said I agree with what Don said by the way. I don't.  I also didn't agree with the burning of books either.  What I am defending is the right of Don to say what he thinks, Men died for us to have the "freedom" to speak our minds, to burn our flag if that is what we want to do, not that I personally agree with that either (actually that abhors me).

When men lose the right to speak their minds, to have a controversial opinion to the masses, then we all lose a little bit of our "freedom", and we actually insult the men who died for us. To have the basic right of freedom of speech.   I get what true freedom means Bullfrog.  However when we all have to bend to the masses, when social media dictates what we can say, then we are on a slippery slope.
Politically correct is where we now live, but who dictates the policy of our Politics?

Outside of all his volatility of, his speaking his mind, he did more for our armed forces, police and firefighters than any other single Canadian that I can think of.  To fire him is fine, but it could have been done tomorrow it would have been kinder (see what 35 years of service gets you).  Don was and is a Dinosaur and we all know that they are now extinct. 

See how Social Media bends major companies?  Pretty powerful and when you see how AI is going to change all our lives in the next 10-15 years, watch out. Then you will see what Freedoms we truly have.
Don't Cherry was a sportscaster working for a private company. If I said something similar at a function in front of an audience I would also be fired, except I probably wouldn't be given the benefit of apologizing to keep my job.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with overstepping the boundaries of the platform he's been given. He can sound off on Twitter or on his own podcast, but he is not representative of a hockey broadcast. If he doesn't have the wherewithal to understand that the way in which he used his platform for that kind speech is crossing the line and doubled down on that then what he gets is fully deserved.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Hutchinson placed on waivers
« on: Yesterday at 02:40:26 PM »

Had to happen. Hopefully they can find a decent option. It's looking more and more though like they probably should have made a hard decision on either Kapanen or Johnsson this off-season.
They can still make that hard decision in season.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Hutchinson placed on waivers
« on: Yesterday at 12:52:47 PM »
This is a shocking development.    [emoji14]

Terrible decisionmaking by Dubas to let it get to this point.  I said before the season started that b/u was a critical vulnerability, and it took no great knowledge on my part to come up with that observation.
Really,  Hutchison was the #2 Goalie in the AHL a few years back, in his NHL action. He was a serviceable back up albeit not a great one, just serviceable. If we all had crystal balls we would all have lotto Max jackpots in the bank and have part ownership of the team, so we could fire Dubas sorry ass.
Lol we'd probably throw the team in jail and set the ACC on fire so I'm kind of ok that there's no collective rule lol.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Hutchinson placed on waivers
« on: Yesterday at 12:23:38 PM »
Hutch is a sieve although a lot of goals last night were not his fault, even if he had stopped one, the game may have either gone into overtime or been won outright.
So if we can cut down one goal against between Hutch a Kaskisuo then we have more of a chance.

Just one more comment. I watched Kaskisuo a lot in last years playoffs, in some ways his style reminds me of Freddie, almost the same size, and their style is very similar, the way they square up to the shooters etc.  Would be nice to build from within as much as possible.  Not saying it will be a success, but anything better than Hutch.  Perhaps he will be a great AHL replacement.
They never look like his fault, but you have a goalie not to just make the easy saves. He's not even AHL calibre at this point.

Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Hutchinson placed on waivers
« on: Yesterday at 12:15:56 PM »
It had to happen. Who knows if Kaskisuo can do any better but 0 wins from Hutchinson - you can only match that you can’t do worse. 1 win from Kaskisuo and he already exceeds what Hutch did.
I mean how much worse could be possibly be? Even if he is we have to try something.

Leafs waive Hutch



Lots of chatter in the older fanbase about kicking Dubas and Nylander to the curb; lots of chatter in the analytics fanbase about kicking Babcock to the curb for stifling offense.

Both takes are amusingly stupid.

At least one of the takes isn't incredibly stupid (Hint: It's not the one that says get rid of Nylander).

Gonna wonder aloud about what people were realistically expecting the Leafs to be able to do this offseason staring down Marleau's 3rd year, Zaitsev's contract/performance, and Marner's contract post-94-pt season, all the while needing to improve the defense with Gardiner and Hainsey coming off the books.

While the offseason was not a total clusterf**k, I think its realistic to expect:

1.  You won't overpay your 94-pt guy by at least 1M per season
2.  End up in a position where you can only have one spare player mostly because of #1
3.  End up in a position where you limit yourself to league minimum backup goalie options.  Decent goalie with 950k salary comes on waivers, nope gotta pass on him because he won't fit.

Not overpaying Ceci by 200k is also on the list of questionable decisions, but I'm not sure I see the math CtB was coming up with where that extra 200k is what is limiting us to only one spare.  With the roster as expected with Hyman back and one of Shore/Spezza/Timashov also waived/traded we are still in the 81.3M ballpark on active salaries (ie not including the LTIR guys).  An extra 200k on Ceci doesn't make room for another guy.  (It would however allow us to use a 1M backup goalie)
Who are you talking about? Jarry I guess? Domingue is not inspiring...

I did mention waivers, but that isn't the only way to acquire backup goaltenders.

I think everyone knows that.

Just checking in... regardless of the result, the Leafs are making a statement.

The Hawks are garbage. Bottom of the league team and still beat the Leafs. Hold off on the statements for now
All you need to do is look at Lehners stats and Hutch's stats. Below league average goaltending would've won us the game. No chance with bottom 10. Hutch is not even an NHL quality backup at this point.

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