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Title: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 20, 2012, 08:16:44 AM
You gotta love these pre draft rumours, but this one was started by Bob McKenzie....

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=398745
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Peter D. on June 20, 2012, 08:45:42 AM
Darren Dreger also brought this up on the radio this morning. 

I thought things had subsided on the Ryan front based on the way Anaheim finished off last season.  Nonetheless, I would have no problem if Burke goes after him.  Probably even moreso than Nash.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Sarge on June 20, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
Yeah, Ryan is one of the potentially available forwards I'd give up the #5 plus for. Maybe Edmonton might like the #5 and #6 from Anaheim in a deal for the #1?
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Nik on June 20, 2012, 09:01:29 AM

Ryan's a good player but, like Nash, he's someone who doesn't really address the team's needs.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Zee on June 20, 2012, 09:08:48 AM
Again with the Bobby Ryan rumours?  Sure i'd like to have him but at what cost? 
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Peter D. on June 20, 2012, 09:15:58 AM
Again with the Bobby Ryan rumours?  Sure i'd like to have him but at what cost?

If anything, less than Nash.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Zee on June 20, 2012, 09:18:11 AM
Again with the Bobby Ryan rumours?  Sure i'd like to have him but at what cost?

If anything, less than Nash.

Sure but not what the Leafs need at all.  Still looking for a center, I'd rather waste trading assets to acquire a center as opposed to a winger.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Nik on June 20, 2012, 09:21:49 AM
Again with the Bobby Ryan rumours?  Sure i'd like to have him but at what cost?

If anything, less than Nash.

I don't know that I'd be so quick to assume that. Ryan being available doesn't mean he's on sale necessarily and Anaheim has every incentive to get the most they possibly can for him. He might cost less than Nash because of what Howson's demanding but you're still likely to pay full price which would be pretty significant.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Peter D. on June 20, 2012, 09:34:27 AM
Again with the Bobby Ryan rumours?  Sure i'd like to have him but at what cost?

If anything, less than Nash.

Sure but not what the Leafs need at all.  Still looking for a center, I'd rather waste trading assets to acquire a center as opposed to a winger.

I agree.  Unless the Leafs feel they can convert him into a centre, a position he has played before. 
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Peter D. on June 20, 2012, 09:37:31 AM
Again with the Bobby Ryan rumours?  Sure i'd like to have him but at what cost?

If anything, less than Nash.

I don't know that I'd be so quick to assume that. Ryan being available doesn't mean he's on sale necessarily and Anaheim has every incentive to get the most they possibly can for him. He might cost less than Nash because of what Howson's demanding but you're still likely to pay full price which would be pretty significant.

The bolded was essentially what I meant.  It'll cost a lot to pry Ryan out of Anaheim.  But if there had to be a choice, I'd rather go with the assets we'd have to give up for Ryan than the boatload we'd have to surrender for Nash.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Nik on June 20, 2012, 09:51:18 AM
The bolded was essentially what I meant.  It'll cost a lot to pry Ryan out of Anaheim.  But if there had to be a choice, I'd rather go with the assets we'd have to give up for Ryan than the boatload we'd have to surrender for Nash.

No, I got that. My point, I guess, was that it really might cost less for Ryan but it also might not. For a lot of the reasons that you'd go with Ryan over Nash(contract, age, etc) I'm sure a lot of NHL GM's might too and that could lead to a bidding war and so it goes.

If there's a lot of interest in Nash, and there seems to be, there could be even more in Ryan.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Erndog on June 20, 2012, 09:57:56 AM
There is pretty much no chance the Leafs get Ryan.

I heard Pierre Mcguire on the Team1200 this morning.  He said that Ryan and Carlyle had a "terrible relationship."  He also said he even spoke to a couple Duck players yesterday regarding the Ryan rumours and what happened in Anaheim this year and the players said that Carlyle really didn't like Ryan.  I can't remember the exact words but if you listened to it, it was a pretty damning picture of the Ryan/Carlyle relationship.

Regardless, don't think it's very likely considering how bad their relationsip was.  Although, I guess Lupul and Carlyle wasn't great either but they seem to have put it behind them.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: bustaheims on June 20, 2012, 10:38:56 AM
I'm sure Carlyle like Ryan just fine when he was scoring at a regular pace for him. Honestly, I don't buy into these "X player and Y coach don't like each other" except for in extreme situations. When it's something Leaf related coming from McGuire on an Ottawa based radio station, well, then I put absolutely no stock in it.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Corn Flake on June 20, 2012, 12:17:34 PM
Pierre caters what he says to the market he is speaking to.  He jumps to all kinds of conclusions based on little information like any other media person.  He just happened to talk to two Ducks players within the 8 hours between when the rumor came out again and the interview?  BS. Did he have to reach out yesterday to find out there was some long standing issue? BS.  If it was really that bad of a relationship it would be household information to all by now and not Pierre finding out magically in the last 8 hours.

The man is a red nose away from looking just like how his schtick sounds: A clown show.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Madferret on June 20, 2012, 06:24:10 PM
I think McGuire has a bit more class than some of you are giving him - he is pretty tight with a lot of players and its never been his MO to just make things up to glorify himself...he's not Dregger. I'll take his opinion over a baseless internet rumor all day long.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: bustaheims on June 20, 2012, 06:29:35 PM
I think McGuire has a bit more class than some of you are giving him - he is pretty tight with a lot of players and its never been his MO to just make things up to glorify himself...he's not Dregger. I'll take his opinion over a baseless internet rumor all day long.

He's a well known flip-flopper who has a tendency so go on local radio and say a whole bunch of stuff their fans want to hear and then say completely different stuff the next day in another city.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 20, 2012, 06:35:14 PM
I think McGuire has a bit more class than some of you are giving him - he is pretty tight with a lot of players and its never been his MO to just make things up to glorify himself...he's not Dregger. I'll take his opinion over a baseless internet rumor all day long.

I like Maguire as well, but he does taint some of the things that he says based on the market he is talking too.  He may hold information back, or spin it a certain way depending on who he is talking too.  I do not believe that he makes things up however.

He was doing a game about 4 years ago between the Rangers and the Pens.  Gomez high sticked Crosby, and Crosby flung his head back.  All three announcers said that Crosby was diving and that he had to get that out of his game and that he couldn't act like he was getting shot all the time.  They showed the replay, and Gomez's stick was actually in Crosby's mouth.  All three of the announcers kinda went "Hunh, would you look at that."   At the end of the game Maguire interviews Crosby, and the first thing he says is "On that play where Gomez highsticked you, I said you dove.  I'm sorry about that, I made a mistake."  I always thought that was a pretty stand up thing to do.  Most media types don't apologize for the things they say.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Madferret on June 20, 2012, 06:43:20 PM
Anyone who makes $ off saying things like "kablam" is ok by me
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: louisstamos on June 20, 2012, 06:52:27 PM
Anyone who makes $ off saying things like "kablam" is ok by me

yeah, but he also did this - http://youtu.be/R8v8C3scwvg
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 20, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
Anyone who makes $ off saying things like "kablam" is ok by me

Man, I wish the Leafs could draft someone like EK.  There lack of ability to draft elite talent confounds me.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Tigger on June 21, 2012, 12:56:43 PM
A curious comment from Burke during last year's Lupul/Gardiner Beauchemin presser regarding Bobby...

Considering Lupul's place in Anaheim... "he's playing behind guys like Corey Perry and Bobby Ryan... on the right side.... Bobby plays all over the place but " (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYw-o-qu-DQ)

...around 2:55

Not an attribution one way or the other, still. ;)
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 21, 2012, 01:26:16 PM
Of all the players rumored to be on the move this summer you have to think that Ryan would be on the very top of Burke's list.

What would it take for Anaheim to move him?

Would the number 5 pick, and a Schenn/Kadri deal do it?
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 21, 2012, 01:29:53 PM
Of all the players rumored to be on the move this summer you have to think that Ryan would be on the very top of Burke's list.

What would it take for Anaheim to move him?

Would the number 5 pick, and a Schenn/Kadri deal do it?

I think before you do this, you have to be very sure that Carlyle and Ryan can co-exist.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Tigger on June 21, 2012, 01:35:17 PM
To be honest, I think their #6 overall pick is more attainable, maybe not horribly expensive and preferable.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 21, 2012, 01:36:15 PM
Of all the players rumored to be on the move this summer you have to think that Ryan would be on the very top of Burke's list.

What would it take for Anaheim to move him?

Would the number 5 pick, and a Schenn/Kadri deal do it?

I think before you do this, you have to be very sure that Carlyle and Ryan can co-exist.

Thats why we signed Dallas Eakins to a 3 yr deal.   8)
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Corn Flake on June 21, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
At the end of the game Maguire interviews Crosby, and the first thing he says is "On that play where Gomez highsticked you, I said you dove.  I'm sorry about that, I made a mistake."  I always thought that was a pretty stand up thing to do.  Most media types don't apologize for the things they say.

That's nice he apologized, but the fact he chose to do it on air takes a lot of the class out of it, IMO.  He should have just gone to Crosby privately and talked to him instead of using a big stage to show some false humility.

He tries to toe the line between media and "hockey guy" all the time and has to keep his channels open in the event one day some owner loses his mind and hires him as a GM.   
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 21, 2012, 02:46:47 PM
At the end of the game Maguire interviews Crosby, and the first thing he says is "On that play where Gomez highsticked you, I said you dove.  I'm sorry about that, I made a mistake."  I always thought that was a pretty stand up thing to do.  Most media types don't apologize for the things they say.

That's nice he apologized, but the fact he chose to do it on air takes a lot of the class out of it, IMO.  He should have just gone to Crosby privately and talked to him instead of using a big stage to show some false humility.

He tries to toe the line between media and "hockey guy" all the time and has to keep his channels open in the event one day some owner loses his mind and hires him as a GM.

Depends on if it was false or not.  One of my pet peeves with media types nowadays is that their is very little accountability in their field.  Also, if you try and point out the lack of accountability, you are suddenly "attacking" the media...

If it was false, then yes, it would be a poor move.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Potvin29 on June 22, 2012, 07:52:23 PM
Bob McKenzie just read comments from Ryan.  They were not complimentary.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: No.92 on June 22, 2012, 08:14:57 PM
Bob McKenzie just read comments from Ryan.  They were not complimentary.

What were they?  I don't have TSN/Sportsnet
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Potvin29 on June 22, 2012, 08:16:50 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/19405284/bobby-ryan-on-trade-talks-at-this-point-i-dont-care-move-me
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: No.92 on June 22, 2012, 08:21:15 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/eye-on-hockey/19405284/bobby-ryan-on-trade-talks-at-this-point-i-dont-care-move-me

Thanks and very interesting!  Too bad he didn't mention Toronto as a "comfortable" place to play.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 22, 2012, 08:21:39 PM
Yeah McKenzie essentially read a giant F U in it's entirety from Ryan to the Ducks.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: bustaheims on June 22, 2012, 10:48:05 PM
So, who gets moved first, Nash or Ryan? I say Ryan.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on June 22, 2012, 10:50:21 PM
So, who gets moved first, Nash or Ryan? I say Ryan.

After his comments today, I agree with you. It seems that relationship is over.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: bustaheims on June 22, 2012, 10:51:50 PM
After his comments today, I agree with you. It seems that relationship is over.

Yeah. I think they've made Anaheim a much more motivated seller. They need to settle this situation before any more damage is done.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on June 22, 2012, 10:58:21 PM
Yeah. I think they've made Anaheim a much more motivated seller. They need to settle this situation before any more damage is done.

I can't really blame Ryan for this, his name has been all over the place in the last couple years and Murray hasn't really put it to rest. I'd feel unwelcome if it was me also.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Tigger on June 23, 2012, 09:03:40 AM
Say the Leafs get Schultz, does that piss Murray off enough to nix any kind of deal with Toronto or are they just too pro for that?

If so, maybe Burke should try to get him before July 1 ;)
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Rob on June 23, 2012, 09:24:14 AM
Say the Leafs get Schultz, does that piss Murray off enough to nix any kind of deal with Toronto or are they just too pro for that?

If so, maybe Burke should try to get him before July 1 ;)

It's seems as though there was some sort of rift between Ryan and Carlyle.  If it came down to it, I'd fire Carlyle if it meant the difference of getting Ryan or not.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on June 23, 2012, 10:16:34 AM
Personally, I'm not putting much stock in the Carlyle/ Ryan stuff. If Burke wants Ryan, he'll go and get him IMO.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Tigger on June 23, 2012, 10:44:49 AM
Say the Leafs get Schultz, does that piss Murray off enough to nix any kind of deal with Toronto or are they just too pro for that?

If so, maybe Burke should try to get him before July 1 ;)

It's seems as though there was some sort of rift between Ryan and Carlyle.  If it came down to it, I'd fire Carlyle if it meant the difference of getting Ryan or not.

I'd imagine they could find some common ground from their recent experience in Anaheim, and Brian drafted him. Hard to say but if there's any truth to the rumour and some animosity exists it seems like something that should be manageable if it were to happen.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Rob on June 23, 2012, 10:54:06 AM
Personally, I'm not putting much stock in the Carlyle/ Ryan stuff. If Burke wants Ryan, he'll go and get him IMO.

http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120622/SPORTS04/120622008/Ryan-hopes-traded-Flyers?odyssey

While in an early season scoring slump and clashing with his head coach, he was being shopped last November, but Bruce Boudreau replacing Randy Carlyle behind the Ducks bench was a Godsend. After amassing just 7 goals and 12 points over his first 24 games under Carlyle, Ryan tallied 24 goals and 45 points over his last 58 games playing for Boudreau.

“Bruce essentially changed my whole season around in Anaheim,” Ryan said. “It was going downhill very fast. He came in and changed things around and really spoke to me on a level that I could understand. I loved playing for him.

“I thought going into the summer, with the second half that I had, some of the rumors would be put to rest. I don't know what it is or what I have to do to put them away.”
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on June 23, 2012, 10:57:11 AM
Personally, I'm not putting much stock in the Carlyle/ Ryan stuff. If Burke wants Ryan, he'll go and get him IMO.

http://www.courierpostonline.com/article/20120622/SPORTS04/120622008/Ryan-hopes-traded-Flyers?odyssey

While in an early season scoring slump and clashing with his head coach, he was being shopped last November, but Bruce Boudreau replacing Randy Carlyle behind the Ducks bench was a Godsend. After amassing just 7 goals and 12 points over his first 24 games under Carlyle, Ryan tallied 24 goals and 45 points over his last 58 games playing for Boudreau.

“Bruce essentially changed my whole season around in Anaheim,” Ryan said. “It was going downhill very fast. He came in and changed things around and really spoke to me on a level that I could understand. I loved playing for him.

“I thought going into the summer, with the second half that I had, some of the rumors would be put to rest. I don't know what it is or what I have to do to put them away.”

Sounds like he really likes Boudreau and that the trade rumours last year played on him. It doesn't really say that he didn't like Carlyle or that that was the reason for his slump. I'd say it had more to do with his rumour of being on the block, especially judging by his reaction yesterday.
Title: Re: Bobby Ryan available?
Post by: Etiam Vultus on June 23, 2012, 12:12:35 PM
It is ironic that Ryan could end up in Philly.  Philly supposedly traded Richards and Carter because of their lifestyles off the ice; the criticism of Ryan is similar.