TOR/NJ is straight up Andreas Johnsson for Joey Anderson
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) October 10, 2020
Anderson doesn't sound like much. 3rd round pick back in 2016. He's a 23 year old right shot winger who played 34 games with the Devils in 18/19 and 18 games in 19/20. Sounds like a two-way winger who can kill penalties at best.Why did they rush a cap dump? I felt like he might have some value with teams running out of FA options. Oh well, not much you can do when your injury prone. Wonder if there's anything else coming. Our 3rd line isn't looking great.
Clearly just a cap dump, which is unfortunate but considering the circumstances not surprising.
Captained the WJC team.My Joey Anderson notes from my Devils prospect pool ranking in February. For reference: I had them 17th and this was before Nolan Foote was added to the group. pic.twitter.com/lZHmnHKLmH
— Scott Wheeler (@scottcwheeler) October 10, 2020
He averaged 1:58 in PK time in the 18 games he did play with the Devils last season so at least he's got that going for him.
The general description of Anderson as a player is that he is a two-way winger. He understands and respects the concept of playing defensively. He can be a part of a penalty kill, which he has already proven at the professional level. He works hard and has had leadership roles with the USNTDP and in college. At 22, I have doubts as to whether he can be a significant scorer. I do think he can be a solid winger for a NHL team?s bottom six.
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Ultimately, I still have confidence that we could see Joey Anderson start the 2020-21 season with New Jersey instead of Binghamton. By no means it will be easy. Anderson needs to show up in camp and prepared to impress the coaches right away. Whether it is in drills, scrimmages, meetings, or exhibition games, Anderson will have the opportunities to impress the new head coach in Ruff and whoever will be on his staff and demonstrate his growth his the former assistant GM in Fitzgerald. He does have the advantage of having played over 50 games in the NHL and showing that he can at least play on a penalty kill in the NHL. Having both experience and being able to perform on a special team in the NHL could help tip the scales in Anderson?s favor. Can he do it? I think so. If he does, then I think he will make the roster right out of camp.
Why did they rush a cap dump? I felt like he might have some value with teams running out of FA options.
We've probably seen the last of him in the 607 unless we make the playoffs. Continued his strong play in Q3 albeit short, 4G in 7 GP. Will finish the AHL campaign with 15G 19A in 44GP. Played in every situation, and should bring that versatility to Newark in the future. Can see him consistently scoring 10-15 at the NHL level, with potential for more if he's given the ice time & special teams time he earned at the AHL level.
I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.
I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.
Wouldn't that make this a really bad trade then?
Anderson comes to Toronto with a chip on his shoulder. He wasn’t really given the chance to develop in NJ for various reasons.
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020
However, when NJ signed him - they viewed him as someone who could be like Blake Coleman.
He skates very well, wins a TON of puck battles, makes excellent and quick/simple decisions with the puck, can PK very effectively and has good hands at the net front.
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020
I firmly believe he can be a strong piece on the 3rd line that can shut down other teams and contribute, too. He won’t make risky decisions like the previous 3L wingers did
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020
FWIW, Devils believed he’s the type of player who helps you win playoff games. For TOR, that’s important.
Coleman minus scoring it is ;D
I think he?s a spare for now, like Boyd. Might be one of those AHL get?em before they break out checking forwards (Coleman - scoring)
Definitely going to be groomed for the role Kapanen vacated, but with more brains.
I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.
Wouldn't that make this a really bad trade then?
I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).
Fun Trivia: Joey Anderson scored as many 5v5 goals in 18 games with NJ last season as Taylor Hall did in 30.
— Active Stick (@TheOakLeafs) October 10, 2020
Andreas Johnsson:
— Arjun (@_marlanderthews) October 10, 2020
Age 21/22 AHL: 47 points in 75 games
Joey Anderson:
Age 21 AHL: 34 points in 44 games
I think he?s a spare for now, like Boyd. Might be one of those AHL get?em before they break out checking forwards (Coleman - scoring)Definitely going to be groomed for the role Kapanen vacated, but with more brains.
I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).
I think he?s a spare for now, like Boyd. Might be one of those AHL get?em before they break out checking forwards (Coleman - scoring)Definitely going to be groomed for the role Kapanen vacated, but with more brains.
I had a feeling Dubas was hunting for these types of pieces before they ripen (and get free agent expensive).
Just because Dubas acquires someone no one's heard of doesn't automatically mean he's a diamond in the rough every time.
I hope Johnsson finds a good fit on Hischier?s wing and pots 30.
Wouldn't that make this a really bad trade then?
If your teams gets what it needs, does it really matter how much better they perform when given more opportunity they could not receive here?
Similar to Leivo and Brown, Johnsson?s got a really good shot at carving out a top line spot with a team that plays a stylistic fit for him (at least offensively).
While Anderson isn?t the biggest player in stature, he has a strong and thick base, which makes him difficult to separate from the puck. He also likes to bring a physical style of play in all areas of the ice.
What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it. I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.
What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it. I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.
I was actually going to say the other way around. I think that Dubas is pretty good at getting what he wants out of a deal. The Kadri deal didn't work out, but he got what he wanted from it in a right shot defenceman that could move the puck, and a third line center with some versatility. The Kapanen deal was also pretty good.
Even in this deal, I think that Dubas maximized what he could get for the player. However, the contracts that Dubas gives out seem to be fair deals for the players, and in a cap world that gets you in to trouble after a while. I think that either it was a mistake to give Johnsson that contract last year, or it was a mistake to trade him for the amount that he did.
If Johnsson outperforms his deal, then he probably didn't get enough for a player that is on a cheap contract for a couple more seasons. If Johnsson under performs, then that would mean his deal is an over payment.
The middle class is what gets shed in a cap situation. Yeah we lost the offensive player value equation of this trade, but we got cap space for TJ Brodie and the exact type of player many people wanted Dubas to spend draft picks on (big butt bangers, but with less wait time), for a 7th rounder Dubas invested enough development into to yield a 20-g NHL winger.
Absolutely Nik. They need to dump when they can. You don't want to have to find a dance partner late in the evening and end up with no partner.Why did they rush a cap dump? I felt like he might have some value with teams running out of FA options.
The flip side is that as teams commit cap space to FA's there'll be less teams willing to take on money. My hunch is that if the front office got the sense that there was serious interest in Johnsson from multiple teams, you'd have seen them hold on a while.
What Nik said hits it on the head, but still this has a Kadri-ish odor about it. I think Dubas is better at signing FAs than trading people.
I was actually going to say the other way around. I think that Dubas is pretty good at getting what he wants out of a deal. The Kadri deal didn't work out, but he got what he wanted from it in a right shot defenceman that could move the puck, and a third line center with some versatility. The Kapanen deal was also pretty good.
Even in this deal, I think that Dubas maximized what he could get for the player. However, the contracts that Dubas gives out seem to be fair deals for the players, and in a cap world that gets you in to trouble after a while. I think that either it was a mistake to give Johnsson that contract last year, or it was a mistake to trade him for the amount that he did.
If Johnsson outperforms his deal, then he probably didn't get enough for a player that is on a cheap contract for a couple more seasons. If Johnsson under performs, then that would mean his deal is an over payment.
Who the hell is Joey Anderson?
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/ (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/)
I think this analysis says it all.
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/ (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/11/andreas-johnsson-traded-to-the-new-jersey-devils-in-exchange-for-joey-anderson/)
I think this analysis says it all.
I don't really understand why you'd acknowledge that this was a salary dump and then be like "but in terms of player for player it's a loss for the Leafs".
Like, either evaluate a trade in the context of a capped league or don't. You're not going to win on assets if a trade is a cost cutting measure. The "win" is cap space.
Who the hell is Joey Anderson?
Exactly my first thoughts. Amazing how we let potential free agents walk and trade decent forwards for nothing. Why wouldn't you try and recoup some draft picks.
Guess we knew this was coming after the horrible signings of our stars.
He's just acknowledging the other side of the coin.
Who the hell is Joey Anderson?
Exactly my first thoughts. Amazing how we let potential free agents walk and trade decent forwards for nothing. Why wouldn't you try and recoup some draft picks.
Guess we knew this was coming after the horrible signings of our stars.
Did you look at anything that has been written about Anderson?
Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.
Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.
Yup. That's what they should have done. Immediately after his promising rookie year, the Leafs should have traded him because they knew he'd be hurt the next year and wouldn't help them in their hoped for playoff run.
Just stunning analysis.
Nothing?s changed has it?
Yes I did not reading anything overwhelming.
He skates very well, wins a TON of puck battles, makes excellent and quick/simple decisions with the puck, can PK very effectively and has good hands at the net front.
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020
The Leafs have a ROBUST development staff and if he develops to the “Coleman-type” that would be very good for the Leafs.
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020
He’s gotta work on OZP to create more chances. But right now, he’s physical, skates well and makes good decisions with and without the puck.
Should have traded AJ before he was hurt.
Anderson awaits a new contract. He?s a 10.2(c) RFA: basically no negotiating leverage. Leafs could tender him a 725k AAV over two years one-way and he?d jump on that. AHL avoids escrow.
X2Anderson awaits a new contract. He?s a 10.2(c) RFA: basically no negotiating leverage. Leafs could tender him a 725k AAV over two years one-way and he?d jump on that. AHL avoids escrow.
Agreed.
Yes I did not reading anything overwhelming.
Carlton posted this from someone who worked in the Devils front office:He skates very well, wins a TON of puck battles, makes excellent and quick/simple decisions with the puck, can PK very effectively and has good hands at the net front.
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020The Leafs have a ROBUST development staff and if he develops to the “Coleman-type” that would be very good for the Leafs.
— Rachel Doerrie (@racheldoerrie) October 10, 2020
He’s gotta work on OZP to create more chances. But right now, he’s physical, skates well and makes good decisions with and without the puck.
Physical, wins battles, skates well, makes good decisions with the puck.
Sounds like a player that would like, considering what you post in the GDTsShould have traded AJ before he was hurt.
When exactly would have been the right time to trade him?
As nik said, he was coming off a 20 goal rookie season, got injured February of the next season and then the pandemic hit. I don't see when they should have traded him
Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.No kidding. Dog on a bone.
Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.
Point I'm trying to make is I think they could have done better not only with AJ
All teams go through this, just read the Athletic article about the Blackhawks today, their fans are complaining about the very same thing, not getting picks for the departed. It happens, move on.
Point I'm trying to make is I think they could have done better not only with AJ
But you have you haven't made that point, you just keep saying it.
When should they have made this hypothetical deal where they could have done better?
There was no reason to trade him coming off his rookie season, then he got hurt, then the pandemic caused the flat cap and faciliated the need for the trade.
No matter what Marner makes. 3.4M for AJ in this flat cap situation isn't a great use of cap dollars on this roster. Dubas got a someone that fits everything you seem to like in a player in a market where moving salary has been difficult. A player that would that would be drafted with a mid round pick that you seem to want for AJ, but already with a couple years of developent and a chance to contribute elements that this team has been lacking this up coming season.
Yes, Lou probably should have traded JVR and Bozak and not burned 2nd rounders on 4th line rentals, but that's what he did. It really isn't relevant to this trade though.
With all due respect, you don't seem interested in a discussion. You don't adress any counterpoints presented to you, and just repeat the same stuff in any reply.
Joey Anderson: "I'm a strong two-way player. I have a pretty good focus on defensive game & on details & making sure I'm doing little things correctly. I'm not going to be flashy with the puck or do things like that. I'm going to make the play that's in front of me ..."
— Mark Masters (@markhmasters) October 11, 2020
Minnesota native Joey Anderson loved watching Mikko Koivu when he was growing up
— Mark Masters (@markhmasters) October 11, 2020
"His two-way approach to the game & the details he put in defensively ... pretty cool to watch & I've watched tried to follow like that"
It'll be very interesting to see how he develops. He's got a decent amt of points at the AHL level and only just turned 22 in June. Leafs would probably rather have him than picks at this point as he looks like he could be ready sooner than a pick would be.Joey Anderson: "I'm a strong two-way player. I have a pretty good focus on defensive game & on details & making sure I'm doing little things correctly. I'm not going to be flashy with the puck or do things like that. I'm going to make the play that's in front of me ..."
— Mark Masters (@markhmasters) October 11, 2020Minnesota native Joey Anderson loved watching Mikko Koivu when he was growing up
— Mark Masters (@markhmasters) October 11, 2020
"His two-way approach to the game & the details he put in defensively ... pretty cool to watch & I've watched tried to follow like that"
To my understanding, Toronto had better sounding options for trade returns (Read: Picks. Everyone loves picks), but liked Anderson. Going to guess this is why - they’re still hunting for the Gourde/Coleman type targets that they haven’t really landed since, well, getting Hyman https://t.co/X1N3OpPul8
— Jeff Veillette (@JeffVeillette) October 11, 2020
You know I like Thai trade even more now that Steve Simmons is trying to shit on it. I get the media doesn?t have to love every move but the guy is a blatant troll at this point. Take his press pass away.
You know I like Thai trade even more now that Steve Simmons is trying to shit on it. I get the media doesn?t have to love every move but the guy is a blatant troll at this point. Take his press pass away.
I'm not really knowledgeable on Thai trade. How does Simmons even have an opinion.
He's an asshat. I read part of an artivle where he praised Dubas for the Bodie and Simmonds moves and then said something negative in the next line or paragraph. I stopped reading then. I can't believe how much hate there is for Dubas from Simmonds to other experts. Always critical about his vision and doesn't value grit. I'm like did this guy not build the Marlies into a winner? He knows what it takes to win. This team is now finally his. He's gotten rid of all the past mistakes and now it's all on him. I think this has probably been the hardest off season ever to add quality/change the make up of a team and yet so far, he's done a great job. There isn't a move that I don't like yet. I still think he may not be done. Lots of time before the season starts.You know I like Thai trade even more now that Steve Simmons is trying to shit on it. I get the media doesn?t have to love every move but the guy is a blatant troll at this point. Take his press pass away.
I'm not really knowledgeable on Thai trade. How does Simmons even have an opinion.
He's got an opinion on everything.
Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.
Every team in the league who paid their players fair value got screwed. Every team who didn't trade players who ended up having not great seasons got screwed. The Leafs don't operate in a vacuum. Most cap teams are dealing with some level of fallout for things that couldn't have been predicted when those deals were signed.
Also, I'm fairly certain Azzurri would be bitching about trading JVR/Bozak as they were making the playoffs if they missed or got bounced. "Missed opportunity, could've given playoff experience to the kids, wasted a year for no reason when they were on the cusp etc." Doesn't matter when everything is viewed when looking back at it rather than in the moment, the person in charge can only do wrong. Anyone who thinks they're right 100% of the time or act like they have all the answers vs. someone else without any justification is basically full of you know what.
I think people will be surprised with Anderson. If he can become Hyman 2.0 it'll be a steal for us.Jesus... still with the JVR and Bozak? Move on man.
Definitely over it but point is if you're going to lose someone whether by free agency or trade at least get something back. I get it. Leafs are in tough with the cap so had to shuffle someone out. See what we have in the young forward if he cracks the lineup.
Matthews, yes. Marner, no. I think 9 would have been a good contract for him but it is what it is and he's still a 94 point guy. And we're not fun'd. There are lots of teams up against the cap. Dubas has done a nice little dance here and improved the team and future while disposing of the underachieving while keeping the big 4, aka the core, together.
So you think we paid Marner or Matthews fair value? I sure the hell don't think so and I said it then we were going to be fun'd because of it and now you're seeing that.
I said it then we were going to be fun'd because of it and now you're seeing that.
I'm saying your schtick of doing literally nothing but saying how right you are all the time either by actually being right or, more usually, using revisionist history, continues to be nothing short of grating.Every team in the league who paid their players fair value got screwed. Every team who didn't trade players who ended up having not great seasons got screwed. The Leafs don't operate in a vacuum. Most cap teams are dealing with some level of fallout for things that couldn't have been predicted when those deals were signed.
Also, I'm fairly certain Azzurri would be bitching about trading JVR/Bozak as they were making the playoffs if they missed or got bounced. "Missed opportunity, could've given playoff experience to the kids, wasted a year for no reason when they were on the cusp etc." Doesn't matter when everything is viewed when looking back at it rather than in the moment, the person in charge can only do wrong. Anyone who thinks they're right 100% of the time or act like they have all the answers vs. someone else without any justification is basically full of you know what.
So you think we paid Marner or Matthews fair value? I sure the hell don't think so and I said it then we were going to be fun'd because of it and now you're seeing that.