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Title: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 07, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
RoundPickPlayer NamePositionDraft YearHeightWeightLeague
115Rodion AmirovRW2020 (D-0)6'1"182 lbsKHL
259Roni HirvonenC2020 (D-0)5'9"170 lbsLiiga
364Topi NiemelaRD2020 (D-0)6'0"163 lbsLiiga
4106Artur AkhtyamovG2020 (D-0)6'2"170 lbsMHL
4122William VilleneuveRD2020 (D-0)6'1"181 lbsQMJHL
5137Dmitri OvchinnikovL/C/R2020 (D-0)5'11"163 lbsKHL
6168Veeti MiettinenRW2020 (D-0)5'9"159 lbsFinnish Jr.
6177Axel RindellRD2018 (D+2)6'0"176 lbsLiiga
6180Joe MillerC/RW2020 (D-0)5'9"146 lbsUSHS
7189John FuscoRD2019 (D+1)5'11"181 lbsUSHS
7195Wyatt SchingoetheC2020 (D-0)5'11"201 lbsUSHL
7213Ryan TverbergC2020 (D-0)5'11"174 lbsOJHL


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Might as well!

This thread is a good start to acquaint oneself with players that aren't Lafrenierre and Byfield
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on May 07, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Might as well!

This thread is a good start to acquaint oneself with players that aren't Lafrenierre and Byfield
Welp... We don't have a pick so should we care? Lol
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 07, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
Welp... We don't have a pick so should we care? Lol

You're not excited to see what our 7 late round picks turn up?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 07, 2020, 03:37:34 PM
Just going to keep a running tally of names/games I liked as I slowly go through this massive list of articles with massive lists of player profiles

Centres
Colby Ambrosio
Jaromir Pytlik

Wingers
Yegor Sokolov
Ben McCartney
Brett Berard
Alex Laferriere
Zayde Wisdom

Defense
Alex Cotton
Yan Kuznetsov
Mitchell Miller looks like I didn't do my due diligence here
William Villaneuve

Goalies
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
These are so weird
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 27, 2020, 04:37:52 PM
Articles like this bug me. Name the players or this just sounds like fiction!

For the record, the guy who took a #2 on his girlfriends car was Kevin Hayes.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 04:43:27 PM
Articles like this bug me. Name the players or this just sounds like fiction!

For the record, the guy who took a #2 on his girlfriends car was Kevin Hayes.

I'm curious about the guy who went to team video analysis meetings in the nude.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Dappleganger on May 27, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Articles like this bug me. Name the players or this just sounds like fiction!

For the record, the guy who took a #2 on his girlfriends car was Kevin Hayes.

I'm curious about the guy who went to team video analysis meetings in the nude.

In my defence, they did tell me a suit was optional.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 28, 2020, 12:06:42 PM
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My biggest takeaway working with elite coaches such as Darryl Belfry and Adam Nicholas (StrideEnvy) is that player development cannot be disassociated from scouting.

Players with solid junior production sometimes don’t translate because of technical weaknesses never addressed by the teams that draft them.

Players who score in minor pro sometimes can’t crack an NHL roster because their patterns of play are easily neutralized by high-level defenders.

Players with modest production in lower league occasionally play better against tougher competition because of their ability to leverage stronger linemates.

Happens all the time.

WOW Just throwing bombs at Edmonton and Buffalo sheesh
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 30, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
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You will not believe who comes in at the top of the list of teams
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on May 30, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
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You will not believe who comes in at the top of the list of teams

That actually is kind of surprising.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on May 31, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
There was some quantity sure, quality... not so much.

Boyes, Kadri and Steen were the only forwards who averaged over .5 PPG in their career.
Gunnarsson was the only real top 4D.
Rask was the only quality starter and then there was Reimer.

To make things worse, only Kadri and Reimer of those that had their best years with the Leafs and got nothing notable in return for the rest. Although they were able to turn Schenn into JVR

Basically, 10 years of drafting got them Kadri & JVR as top 6 forwards, fringe starter Reimer, and a bunch of nothing. The team results have reflected that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on May 31, 2020, 05:12:03 PM

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Please remember that this analysis focused purely on finding NHL players. The quality of the players was not taken into consideration at all, so a player who plays 100 NHL games on the fourth line is worth the same as a Hall of Fame player.

This is from the article. I appreciate that he's upfront about it but it feels like maybe it also warrants a mention that Detroit and Toronto were, by the mid point of the decade, also two fairly old teams that probably had more opportunities for fringe NHLers from the draft than other teams.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on May 31, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
Thommie Bergman picks bringing huge swings as well: Carl Gunnarsson, Anton Stralman, Leo Komarov, Viktor Stalberg all came out of the 6th and 7th rounds. 2006 was a tidal wave of adequate NHLers from our picks (6/7 played over 100 games).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Hobbes on June 01, 2020, 09:30:55 AM
Gunnarsson was the only real top 4D.
Think a case could be made for Stralman too.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on June 01, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
Not many stars in the bunch, sure, but 16 guys who played 400+ games in the NHL. That's not exactly just a bunch of fringe players - those are legit NHL players. 8 players drafted in the 5th round or later played 250+ games, which is an excellent return on late round picks.

The lack of high level talent is disappointing, yeah, but the Leafs still produced a solid number of guys that had legit NHL careers.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on June 01, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
Gunnarsson was the only real top 4D.
Think a case could be made for Stralman too.

Yeah, missed him.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on June 02, 2020, 08:25:13 AM
Not many stars in the bunch, sure, but 16 guys who played 400+ games in the NHL. That's not exactly just a bunch of fringe players - those are legit NHL players. 8 players drafted in the 5th round or later played 250+ games, which is an excellent return on late round picks.

The lack of high level talent is disappointing, yeah, but the Leafs still produced a solid number of guys that had legit NHL careers.
That we promptly traded away (I will never get over the Steen trade).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on June 02, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
That we promptly traded away (I will never get over the Steen trade).

Yeah, that part's not great, but, at least the amateur scouts were doing their jobs relatively well. The pro scouts and the GMs, however....
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on June 22, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on June 22, 2020, 02:13:20 PM
I hate reading those draft articles knowing the Leafs aren't picking.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on June 26, 2020, 09:48:08 AM

So he’s dropping to the Leafs, right
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 10:01:20 AM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on June 26, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.

There's a part of me that wants as-of-yet unidentified teams to win all the possible lotteries.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.

There's a part of me that wants as-of-yet unidentified teams to win all the possible lotteries.

If it ends up being like Arizona, Carolina, and Minnesota I'll love the pure chaos idea of it. If it's Chicago/Edmonton, Montreal/Pittsburgh, and NYI/Florida I'll regret cheering for it.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on June 26, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.

Look at you, predicting the future.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 08:26:48 PM
Amazing. Did anyone catch what the odds were of that happening?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: lamajama on June 26, 2020, 08:26:53 PM
I’m just stoked Ottawa lost
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on June 26, 2020, 08:27:24 PM
Amazing. Did anyone catch what the odds were of that happening?

About 1 in 4.

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
Ah that's actually a lot higher than I thought. What a weird system.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on June 26, 2020, 08:37:01 PM
Lafreniere and Matthews can happen.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
Detroit was on pace for just 45 points this season, easily the worst in the shootout era of hockey (Colorado's 48 points in 16/17 was the next lowest). Their level of crappiness really didn't seem to get talked about enough. And for that they get the 4th overall pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on June 26, 2020, 10:15:55 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on June 26, 2020, 10:19:23 PM

The "This proves the draft lottery is rigged!" takes popping up on Twitter are pretty special. The League clearly rigged things so Lafreniere wouldn't go to LA or an original 6 team like Detroit, no, they rigged it so they have no idea where he ends up so that people will watch a second draft lottery.

I think I know why some people still won't wear masks.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on June 26, 2020, 10:30:40 PM
If the RTP happens and the Leafs wind up with the first overall, would you trade down with Ottawa for 3+5 and their 2nd?

Instead of Lafreniere, it’ll be two of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Rossi/Drysdale and someone like Wallinder/O’Rourke/Niemela
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on June 26, 2020, 10:34:08 PM
If the RTP happens and the Leafs wind up with the first overall, would you trade down with Ottawa for 3+5 and their 2nd?

Instead of Lafreniere, it’ll be two of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Rossi/Drysdale and someone like Wallinder/O’Rourke/Niemela

No. I'd trade the pick out of the division for good, young NHL-ready assets.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 10:38:01 PM
If the RTP happens and the Leafs wind up with the first overall, would you trade down with Ottawa for 3+5 and their 2nd?

Instead of Lafreniere, it’ll be two of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Rossi/Drysdale and someone like Wallinder/O’Rourke/Niemela

No. I'd trade the pick out of the division for good, young NHL-ready assets.

The tricky part with that would be finding those assets while still managing the cap. Especially since there's a good chance it'll essentially be flat for the next 3 seasons. I think I might be tempted to keep Lafreniere and try to make the most out of his ELC years.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: disco on June 27, 2020, 12:21:09 AM
Detroit was on pace for just 45 points this season, easily the worst in the shootout era of hockey (Colorado's 48 points in 16/17 was the next lowest). Their level of crappiness really didn't seem to get talked about enough. And for that they get the 4th overall pick.

Yeah, an absolute breath-taking tank-job should garner you at least top-3. Luck-o-the-draw. Oilers and Devils have done much better with those ping-pong balls. Leafs even.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2020, 12:45:06 AM
Oh, crap, Taylor Hall's team could get 1st overall yet again.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2020, 12:55:23 AM
Senators fans are.... not taking this well.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on June 27, 2020, 09:49:05 AM
Senators fans are.... not taking this well.

After they pick Byfield, we'll all be hearing about how he's better than Matthews for the next 3 years...at which point he'll demand a trade, and then he'll be overrated garbage according to those same fans.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 10:01:01 AM
I think I might be tempted to keep Lafreniere and try to make the most out of his ELC years.

x2. Leafs could always trade someone else in the top 6.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
Yeah, an absolute breath-taking tank-job should garner you at least top-3.

I think the idea is that the system is supposed to discourage breath taking tank jobs, to which I guess this is a good thing.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on June 27, 2020, 10:20:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXRpylNa_Ew (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXRpylNa_Ew)

I really can't get over this clip of Brian Burke complaining about how "unfair" it is that a team that may have had 25 more points than the Wings will pick ahead of them. I guarantee you he's said "life isn't fair" hundreds of times in his life when people were complaining about legitimately unbalanced stuff.

The one thing that NHL executives want, more than anything else, is for their jobs to be as easy as possible and nobody to get thrown out of the club ever. What a whiner.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on June 27, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
Ottawa is still going to get some studs, but Lafreniere would be super ideal for them, given the Francophonie.

Once "team to be named" is revealed, I don't doubt that they offer the 2 picks to move up.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 12:20:39 PM
Maybe I've missed a post on this, but what happens if the mini playoff thing doesn't go ahead, or is cancelled? It's not like they can re-draw this scenario...?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on June 27, 2020, 12:51:43 PM
Maybe I've missed a post on this, but what happens if the mini playoff thing doesn't go ahead, or is cancelled? It's not like they can re-draw this scenario...?


The following post in that thread outlines which teams qualify (the Leafs juuuust don't quite qualify as bad enough).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on June 27, 2020, 01:08:21 PM
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17

Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on June 27, 2020, 01:53:30 PM
So what happens if the Leafs lose the play in but also don't get the first pick? We're still out of the top 10 right?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 03:16:32 PM
Maybe I've missed a post on this, but what happens if the mini playoff thing doesn't go ahead, or is cancelled? It's not like they can re-draw this scenario...?


The following post in that thread outlines which teams qualify (the Leafs juuuust don't quite qualify as bad enough).

Gotcha. So ideally the leafs get bounced in the play-in and the season limps across the finish line. Yesno?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 28, 2020, 09:50:32 AM
So what happens if the Leafs lose the play in but also don't get the first pick? We're still out of the top 10 right?

Looks like the very best the Leafs could get would be 11th. That assumes an upset in every single play-in round and a team with a worse points percentage than Toronto also winning the second lottery. So it's 1st or bust.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: disco on June 29, 2020, 01:07:23 AM
So what happens if the Leafs lose the play in but also don't get the first pick? We're still out of the top 10 right?

We ain't losing no play-in, CBJ going down in two (the incessant offensive barrage causing them to forfeit early).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on July 06, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
I didn't realize that Ottawa also has the Isles 1st rounder, barring Isles win the lottery - then it moves to next year.

And they've got 4 second round picks. 

That's a lot of early picking. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on July 06, 2020, 03:49:03 PM
I didn't realize that Ottawa also has the Isles 1st rounder, barring Isles win the lottery - then it moves to next year.

And they've got 4 second round picks. 

That's a lot of early picking.

One of the few things Dorian as done well for the sens is acquiring picks and prospects once the team actually embraced the rebuild. He got super lucky with the 1st from San Jose, but, otherwise, he's been pretty good about adding picks in the first couple rounds.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
Really hope this thread is busy tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
If Leafs don't win the lottery where does Carolina get the pick?  13?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 09:01:41 AM
If Leafs don't win the lottery where does Carolina get the pick?  13?

13th or 14th, depends on if a team above or below the Leafs in the standings wins.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 09:14:56 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft

List teams as they count down to #1.  Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd.   So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 09:16:37 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft

List teams as they count down to #1.  Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd.   So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.

I believe someone said that Bettman will be plucking the lottery balls out live on TV.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft

List teams as they count down to #1.  Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd.   So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.

I believe someone said that Bettman will be plucking the lottery balls out live on TV.

They must be using weighted balls to fix it live on TV for the Leafs.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft

List teams as they count down to #1.  Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd.   So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.

Also, in case you didn't know, tonight's lottery is ONLY for the number 1 pick. The lotteries for picks 2 (LA) and 3 (ott) were already done. It's complicated.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft

List teams as they count down to #1.  Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd.   So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.

Also, in case you didn't know, tonight's lottery is ONLY for the number 1 pick. The lotteries for picks 2 (LA) and 3 (ott) were already done. It's complicated.

Yeah not sure they can really count down...the 15th pick goes to....OH THE PENGUINS WIN THE LOTTERY!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 10:11:51 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft

List teams as they count down to #1.  Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd.   So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.

Also, in case you didn't know, tonight's lottery is ONLY for the number 1 pick. The lotteries for picks 2 (LA) and 3 (ott) were already done. It's complicated.

Yeah, I knew that, I was just trying to find the scenario where we get most disappointed.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
Draft is October 9th eh?  Guess it's time to enjoy summer.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bullfrog on August 10, 2020, 11:43:53 AM
Draft is October 9th eh?  Guess it's time to enjoy summer.

Yep, will be super exciting who the Leafs pick in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 10, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
Draft is October 9th eh?  Guess it's time to enjoy summer.

Yep, will be super exciting who the Leafs pick in the 2nd round.
Who's this year's Robertson?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Draft is October 9th eh?  Guess it's time to enjoy summer.

Yep, will be super exciting who the Leafs pick in the 2nd round.
Who's this year's Robertson?

Yeah if we get another Robertson type, that's a-OK
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 10, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:

1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000.  Edmonton
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on August 10, 2020, 03:07:21 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:

1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000.  Edmonton

I have Winnipeg below Pittsburgh at 732,531.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:

1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000.  Edmonton

I have Winnipeg below Pittsburgh at 732,531.

Winnipeg fans would immediately start a follow up to their "Laine is better" campaign to "Lafrieniere is better", cause you know, everything is about the Leafs
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on August 10, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:

1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000.  Edmonton

I have Winnipeg below Pittsburgh at 732,531.

Winnipeg fans would immediately start a follow up to their "Laine is better" campaign to "Lafrieniere is better", cause you know, everything is about the Leafs

I think Winnipeg is my second least favourite Canadian team now.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 06:12:11 PM
I don’t watch the NHL network so I’m not familiar with this woman but her ability to praise Bettman with every question is quite special
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
I don’t watch the NHL network so I’m not familiar with this woman but her ability to praise Bettman with every question is quite special

"Mr Bettman, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 06:15:24 PM
The Rangers ball has been bent.  Rigged!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 06:17:45 PM
Hey we sucked in the season and don’t get a first round pick!   See you all in November
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Chris on August 10, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Hey we sucked in the season and don’t get a first round pick!   See you all in November
Oh well, the summer got a lot less interesting in a hurry.

Now Dubas really has to earn his salary.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Hobbes on August 10, 2020, 06:36:19 PM
I was with HS in approximate preference for winning this. When I saw the headline flash that the Rangers won the lottery my first thought was actually "I'm so [bleeping] glad it wasn't the Oilers" followed shortly by similar relief it wasn't the Pens. I don't mind at all that it goes to NYR, much as it would have been interesting to win it and then watch paramedics working on Pridham when the cap implications sunk in.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: barney_rebel on August 10, 2020, 07:13:20 PM
We stink btw...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 10, 2020, 07:38:17 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 10:16:06 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2020, 10:19:26 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.

It feel so weird reading draft previews again.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.

It feel so weird reading draft previews again.

He's just going to trade down anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2020, 10:24:58 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.

It feel so weird reading draft previews again.

He's just going to trade down anyway.

*whispers* don't do it Kyle
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 10:39:24 AM
Remember that time Dubas got miffed that he was being typecast as a draft pick trader downer and then promptly traded down his first rounder the next week
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 26, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
Remember that time Dubas got miffed that he was being typecast as a draft pick trader downer and then promptly traded down his first rounder the next week
Haha, yup. Worked out well I think. Sandin and SDA.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on August 26, 2020, 12:41:48 PM
If Askarov is available at 15, do you consider going for a goaltender?

Ian Scott missed the entire year after hip surgery.  Joseph Woll wasn't good at all on a mediocre Marlies team last year.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
If Askarov is available at 15, do you consider going for a goaltender?

Ian Scott missed the entire year after hip surgery.  Joseph Woll wasn't good at all on a mediocre Marlies team last year.

Full disclosure I only found out who he was yesterday but yeah if he slips to 15 he'd be tough to pass up I think.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on August 26, 2020, 01:02:59 PM

I think you absolutely consider it. And if you don't take him I think it's an area to focus on in the next few rounds anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 03:46:49 PM
I'd be open to trading Andersen and Engvall to the Hurricanes for our 13th + Reimer + whatever and use the subsequent assets + to make a play for Ekblad, whose salary will exceed his cap hit next-next season.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 29, 2020, 03:24:40 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 29, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
?????
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on August 29, 2020, 04:38:18 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
?????

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 29, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
?????


Quick.  Someone find some pictures of Eckblad partying with his shirt off.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 29, 2020, 04:56:58 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
?????

Haha..
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on August 30, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
?????

Haha..
Can't wait to get through this farce of a season and onto the draft and free agency. Can't wait to see what the Leafs do
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 01, 2020, 12:55:33 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 01, 2020, 01:48:25 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick


Roberto nooooooooooo!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 01, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o7TKEtrfiUFQv4P2E/giphy.gif)

But also, Gillis would be a great hire and I'm not sure why he's been blacklisted for so long.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 01, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on September 01, 2020, 04:01:58 PM

Through my incredibly scientific draft method of "Let's find a forward from the CHL who scored a lot of points" I've decided the Leafs should pick one of Jack Quinn, Connor Zary, Mavrik Bourque or Jacob Perreault. Any other pick would be a tragic misstep that will doom the team. I will not be taking follow up questions.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on September 01, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.

A 5'9 154lbs defenseman. 

He's got Dubas written all over him.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on September 01, 2020, 07:01:55 PM
Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.

A 5'9 154lbs defenseman. 

He's got Dubas written all over him.
Just small enough to skate through forwards legs exiting the zone.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 08, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on September 08, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on September 08, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?
I really think they flip it for a Dman. Hope we don't though...

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Dappleganger on September 08, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?
I really think they flip it for a Dman. Hope we don't though...

Sent from my SM-G986W using Tapatalk

But Matt Dumba is going look great in the Blue & White.  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 08, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?

I'll tell you on October 7th.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 15, 2020, 10:51:49 AM
My mid-range choices (4rders):
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17

Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo
Modern defense-first mobile back

Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjreiOXs3w
Like a left shot Mitch Marner (stylistically, he's physically much smaller than Marner at the moment) that got assigned a defense position instead of winger.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
My mid-range choices (4rders):
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17

Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo
Modern defense-first mobile back

Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjreiOXs3w
Like a left shot Mitch Marner (stylistically, he's physically much smaller than Marner at the moment) that got assigned a defense position instead of winger.
You can almost hear Bowen calling Topi lol..Both look interesting though and I would think one of them should be available to the Leafs later on.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on September 15, 2020, 04:44:06 PM
My mid-range choices (4rders):
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17

Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo
Modern defense-first mobile back

Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjreiOXs3w
Like a left shot Mitch Marner (stylistically, he's physically much smaller than Marner at the moment) that got assigned a defense position instead of winger.
You can almost hear Bowen calling Topi lol..Both look interesting though and I would think one of them should be available to the Leafs later on.
Hope Topi is available in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Dappleganger on September 16, 2020, 12:40:25 AM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?
I really think they flip it for a Dman. Hope we don't though...

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But Matt Dumba is going look great in the Blue & White.  ;D

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2022090
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 10:39:44 AM
A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well

Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/

Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 11:00:33 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on September 16, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
The divide on Braden Schneider is interesting. A lot of rankings have him in the mid-teens, while a number don't have him in the 1st round at all.

He's a bit of a safer pick - a big RHD who moves pretty well but doesn't have a great transition game. Probably tops out as a 2nd pairing type, but seems like a solid bet to at least be an NHL calibre d-man.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: louisstamos on September 16, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
Seth Jarvis intrigues me, and seems like a prototypical Dubas player.  Smaller centre at 5'10, but scored 42 goals and 98 points in the WHL this year, and is ranked anywhere from #11 to #29.  Might be worth taking a chance on.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 16, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
Me too. Is there any sense of any of the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs having big interest in a top goalie prospect?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on September 16, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
The divide on Braden Schneider is interesting. A lot of rankings have him in the mid-teens, while a number don't have him in the 1st round at all.

He's a bit of a safer pick - a big RHD who moves pretty well but doesn't have a great transition game. Probably tops out as a 2nd pairing type, but seems like a solid bet to at least be an NHL calibre d-man.

I know RHD is the panacea of everything in the NHL these days but I'm really wary of using our first round picks on safe picks.  I know we need a steady stream of prospects but he strikes me as more of a defensive version of a Gauthier kind of pick.  Low ceiling player.  Obviously a defenseman carries far more weight than a 3rd/4th line ceiling center but I'm not a big fan of that risk.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 11:40:35 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
Me too. Is there any sense of any of the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs having big interest in a top goalie prospect?

The 3 teams directly ahead of the Leafs are Florida, Carolina, and Edmonton. Florida just picked a goalie 13th overall last year so I doubt they do it again. Carolina seems like a team that could use a goalie prospect but Dundon once said the Canes will never take a defenceman in the 1st round because they want to focus on offence there... so I would imagine that makes it unlikely they look at a goalie. Edmonton picks right before Toronto and again seem like a team that could use a top goalie prospect, but Holland doesn't have much of a history picking goalies in the 1st or even 2nd round.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 11:41:17 AM
Seth Jarvis intrigues me, and seems like a prototypical Dubas player.  Smaller centre at 5'10, but scored 42 goals and 98 points in the WHL this year, and is ranked anywhere from #11 to #29.  Might be worth taking a chance on.

Yeah Jarvis was the skater that seems to jump out at me the most in that area.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 11:43:22 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
Me too. Is there any sense of any of the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs having big interest in a top goalie prospect?

Carolina, with our former pick :) Or New Jersey or Minnesota?

Either way, Askarov is still 3ish years away from NHL time by most counts.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on September 16, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
Hope we can land Jarvis, seems to be the real deal if he falls to 15.  From what I am reading is that New Jersey may pick Askarov, as they don't feel Blackwood is the real answer.
As the top sports writers say Goalies are "Voodoo".
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on September 16, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
I know RHD is the panacea of everything in the NHL these days but I'm really wary of using our first round picks on safe picks.  I know we need a steady stream of prospects but he strikes me as more of a defensive version of a Gauthier kind of pick.  Low ceiling player.  Obviously a defenseman carries far more weight than a 3rd/4th line ceiling center but I'm not a big fan of that risk.

Agreed. I wouldn't take him at #15, but, if the Leafs add a pick later in the 1st round or he's still available for when the Leafs pick in the 2nd round, I'd probably take a chance on him there.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 16, 2020, 12:12:55 PM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on September 16, 2020, 12:37:59 PM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Yep he is being touted as the top goalie prospect in long while, if he is available we would be smart to grab him.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on September 16, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 16, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Yep he is being touted as the top goalie prospect in long while, if he is available we would be smart to grab him.
I guess it will come down to how Dubas and Co feel about Ian Scott and Woll, or if he's still available?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 16, 2020, 01:33:14 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?
Tough to say really. If the right deal comes along I'm sure they won't hesitate to move it.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on September 16, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?
I wonder if he explores trading down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on September 16, 2020, 05:41:45 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?
I wonder if he explores trading down.

Depending on who?s still on the board, there?s a good chance of that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 06:11:29 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?
I wonder if he explores trading down.

Depending on who?s still on the board, there?s a good chance of that.

If their target is Askarov and he's on the board no way they can risk trading down. If he's gone or they want someone like Jarvis then maybe they can risk going down a few slots.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:12:16 PM
If they trade down I can see them getting Brendan Brisson
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on September 16, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 06:17:26 PM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?

I see all your posts as question marks.

...

But yeah. *shrugs*
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on September 16, 2020, 06:44:10 PM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?

I think it's those weirdos using TapaTalk on their phones. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:50:23 PM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.

When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 16, 2020, 09:26:18 PM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.

When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.

I've spent far too many hours this month debugging font problems.  Someone needs to build a language that works.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 16, 2020, 11:39:33 PM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.

When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.

I've spent far too many hours this month debugging font problems.  Someone needs to build a language that works.

ESPERANTO!!  8) :o :P
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 17, 2020, 09:14:26 AM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.

When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.

I've spent far too many hours this month debugging font problems.  Someone needs to build a language that works.

ESPERANTO!!  8) :o :P

Isn't that who the Leafs are going to take in the third round?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on September 17, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.
If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Yep he is being touted as the top goalie prospect in long while, if he is available we would be smart to grab him.
I guess it will come down to how Dubas and Co feel about Ian Scott and Woll, or if he's still available?

Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 17, 2020, 10:54:40 AM
Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.

The surgery was reported to be repairing an impingement issue (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/12/19/21030274/hip-surgery-will-sideline-ian-scott-for-at-least-6-months-maple-leafs-marlies); it was deemed successful. Would that not give him better range of motion going forward in the long term after recovery/physio?

Similar to Stroman's major injury, it's an opportunity to step back from the game and rebuild fundamentals (now with the NHL dev team, rather than WHL team resources).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on September 17, 2020, 11:12:30 AM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?

I see all your posts as question marks.

...

But yeah. *shrugs*

My posts are very questionable.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on September 17, 2020, 11:20:36 AM
Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.

The surgery was reported to be repairing an impingement issue (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/12/19/21030274/hip-surgery-will-sideline-ian-scott-for-at-least-6-months-maple-leafs-marlies); it was deemed successful. Would that not give him better range of motion going forward in the long term after recovery/physio?

Similar to Stroman's major injury, it's an opportunity to step back from the game and rebuild fundamentals (now with the NHL dev team, rather than WHL team resources).

Yes, but.  I'm not saying write him off.  Just that with him having to rebuild his style of play we don't know what kind of goaltender he will be at this point.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on September 17, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
Great Scott the Leafs are up against a Woll.   :o
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 17, 2020, 12:18:25 PM
Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.

The surgery was reported to be repairing an impingement issue (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/12/19/21030274/hip-surgery-will-sideline-ian-scott-for-at-least-6-months-maple-leafs-marlies); it was deemed successful. Would that not give him better range of motion going forward in the long term after recovery/physio?

Similar to Stroman's major injury, it's an opportunity to step back from the game and rebuild fundamentals (now with the NHL dev team, rather than WHL team resources).

Yes, but.  I'm not saying write him off.  Just that with him having to rebuild his style of play we don't know what kind of goaltender he will be at this point.
If the surgery has limited his movements or whatever else physically, then yes they'd have to adjust his style, but there's no mention of anything but the surgery being a success. There's a big difference to adjusting style to adjusting play. I think of it as having Barb Underhill teaching them about skating. She isn't changing their style of play, just helping an aspect of it to make them better players.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 17, 2020, 03:59:46 PM
Askarov:

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Big Daddy on September 18, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
With the 15th selection in the 2020 NHL draft the Toronto Maple Leafs select from Chicoutimi of the QMJHL
   LAPIERRE, HENDRIX
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 12:44:33 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies.   It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out.  Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.

Spencer Knight (2019, 13th overall)
Jake Oettinger (2017, 26th overall)
Ilya Samsonov (2015, 22nd overall)
Andre Vasilevskiy (2012, 19th overall)
Jack Campbell (2010, 11th overall)
Chet Pickard (2008, 18th overall)
Jonathan Bernier (2006, 11th overall)
Carey Price (2005, 5th overall)
Al Montoya (2004, 6th overall)
Marc-Andre Fleury (2003, 1st overall)
Kari Lehtonen (2002, 2nd overall)
Pascal Leclaire (2001, 8th overall)
Rick DiPietro (2000, 1st overall)

Look at some of the names on that list. Chet Pickard?  Who?  Al Montoya was 6th overall? lol.  You hope Askarov is closer to Vasilevskiy and Price instead of some of the other guys.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 12:59:13 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies.   It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out.  Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.

That's 13 goalies... 2 of them are Vezina winners. That's 15%. 1 of them has multiple Stanley Cups, a few of them have had decent careers as average starters, some flamed out either due to injury or mediocrity, and some of them are still pretty early in their careers but still have a lot of hype around them. I'm not saying that drafting goalies in the 1st round isn't a risk, but I mean if you took a list of every defenceman drafted in the 1st round since 2000 I'm pretty sure you'd see a pretty similar trend.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on September 18, 2020, 01:00:01 PM

Feels like you could probably say effectively the same thing a out draft picks at any position.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 01:10:42 PM
Spencer Knight (2019, 13th overall)
Jake Oettinger (2017, 26th overall)
Ilya Samsonov (2015, 22nd overall)
Andre Vasilevskiy (2012, 19th overall)

I'd also like to think that scouting and evaluation goalies has probably evolved quite a bit since Pascal Leclaire was drafted 8th overall in 2001. These are the last 4 goalies drafted in the 1st round. Vasilevskiy is one of the best goalies in the league. Samsonov is about to likely take over Washington's net from Brayden Holtby. Oettinger's just 21 years old and had a pretty impressive debut AHL season leading all rookie goalies in save percentage. Spencer Knight's just 19 years old so obviously it's impossible to say much about him but his draft+1 year in the NCAA was basically as good as you could have possibly expected: he led all freshmen goalies in save percentage and was 4th overall in wins.

We could actually be in an era where goalies are getting under-rated at drafts and the Leafs might be smart to capitalize on that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: louisstamos on September 18, 2020, 01:11:23 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies.   It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out.  Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.

Spencer Knight (2019, 13th overall)
Jake Oettinger (2017, 26th overall)
Ilya Samsonov (2015, 22nd overall)
Andre Vasilevskiy (2012, 19th overall)
Jack Campbell (2010, 11th overall)
Chet Pickard (2008, 18th overall)
Jonathan Bernier (2006, 11th overall)
Carey Price (2005, 5th overall)
Al Montoya (2004, 6th overall)
Marc-Andre Fleury (2003, 1st overall)
Kari Lehtonen (2002, 2nd overall)
Pascal Leclaire (2001, 8th overall)
Rick DiPietro (2000, 1st overall)

Look at some of the names on that list. Chet Pickard?  Who?  Al Montoya was 6th overall? lol.  You hope Askarov is closer to Vasilevskiy and Price instead of some of the other guys.

There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies.   It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out.  Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.

That's 13 goalies... 2 of them are Vezina winners. That's 15%. 1 of them has multiple Stanley Cups, a few of them have had decent careers as average starters, some flamed out either due to injury or mediocrity, and some of them are still pretty early in their careers but still have a lot of hype around them. I'm not saying that drafting goalies in the 1st round isn't a risk, but I mean if you took a list of every defenceman drafted in the 1st round since 2000 I'm pretty sure you'd see a pretty similar trend.

True enough, but given that there's only 1 starting goalie spot per team the goalie has to be really exceptional.  When you use a first round pick on a goalie you're basically saying you want him to turn into a bonafide starter. Anything short of that and it feels like a wasted first round pick.  With a forward or D you can convince yourself the first rounder wasn't wasted if he plays even 3rd line or 2nd pair D and is reliable (for anyone outside the top 3-5 of course)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 01:15:07 PM
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...

Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 01:16:15 PM
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...

Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.

Who's missing?  I took that list from a website so I make no claims to it's reliability :D

Damn, how did they forget Rask?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
Given how great Carter Hart has looked I was shocked that he wasn't a first rounder.  Same draft the Leafs took Korshkov ahead of him.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on September 18, 2020, 01:55:15 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies.   It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out.  Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.

So, this is clearly actually a list of the 1st goalie taken each year, if they were taken in the first round. It's missing a number of picks.

Here's just from the first 3 years:

2000:
Brent Krahn (9)

2001:
Dan Blackburn (10)
Jason Bacashihua (26)
Adam Munro (29)

2002:
Cam Ward (25)
Hannu Toivonen (29)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
True enough, but given that there's only 1 starting goalie spot per team the goalie has to be really exceptional.  When you use a first round pick on a goalie you're basically saying you want him to turn into a bonafide starter. Anything short of that and it feels like a wasted first round pick.  With a forward or D you can convince yourself the first rounder wasn't wasted if he plays even 3rd line or 2nd pair D and is reliable (for anyone outside the top 3-5 of course)

Even this seems a bit debatable though especially at a time where we're seeing more and more teams have to rely on 2 goalies. Like if a forward who ends up being a reliable 3rd liner isn't seen as a complete waste of a 1st round pick why would a goalie who becomes a high end back-up or reliable 1B guy be seen that way?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 02:01:33 PM
So, this is clearly actually a list of the 1st goalie taken each year, if they were taken in the first round. It's missing a number of picks.

Oh no my Vezina percentage probability has been ruined!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on September 18, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
A few other 1st round goalies of note:

Devyn Dubnyk (14, 2004)
Cory Schneider (26, 2004)
Tuukka Rask (21, 2005)
Semyon Varlamov (23, 2006)

There are a bunch of guys I didn't list who didn't make much of an impact at the NHL level, but, overall, a quick review shows that drafting a goalie in the 1st round is kind of a 50/50 proposition - it's mostly guys that either become starters or don't crack an NHL roster on a long-term basis, with some outliers on either side (elite goalies, complete busts, etc).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on September 18, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...

Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.

Yeah I mean is that really terrible odds considering where they're picking? What are the odds someone picked there becomes a better player?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 18, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
Malcolm Subban was also a 1st round pick.  I don't know how many of these guys were considered can't miss like Askarov or even the guys that never had much of a career. It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

Marc-Andre Fleury   
Carey Price
Tuukka Rask
Devan Dubnyk
Semyon Varlamov
Cory Schneider
Jonathan Bernier
Andrei Vasilevski   
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Dappleganger on September 18, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
Malcolm Subban was also a 1st round pick.  I don't know how many of these guys were considered can't miss like Askarov or even the guys that never had much of a career. It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

Marc-Andre Fleury   
Carey Price
Tuukka Rask
Devan Dubnyk
Semyon Varlamov
Cory Schneider
Jonathan Bernier
Andrei Vasilevski   
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov

I think there's more 1st round pick quality there than not.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on September 18, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

I don't think it's completely hit or miss. Look at someone like Bernier. Bernier obviously didn't turn into a franchise goalie but the Kings got some good back-up years out of him and then flipped him for a 2nd round pick and minor NHLers. They almost definitely got more value out of that pick than they would a forward who became a 4th liner.

So I think there's a range of outcomes here, like with any pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Dappleganger on September 18, 2020, 07:00:04 PM
It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.

I don't think it's completely hit or miss. Look at someone like Bernier. Bernier obviously didn't turn into a franchise goalie but the Kings got some good back-up years out of him and then flipped him for a 2nd round pick and minor NHLers. They almost definitely got more value out of that pick than they would a forward who became a 4th liner.

So I think there's a range of outcomes here, like with any pick.

I think that's the idea. How many Leafs 1st round pick skaters ended up playing zero games? I can think of a few.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 19, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
How many Leafs 1st round pick skaters ended up playing zero games? I can think of a few.

In the last 20 years? 1 Tyler Biggs. In the last 30 years, 2. Mind you they didn't have a 1st rounder in every year. Luca Cereda was the other although he had a heart defect.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on September 19, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
Trade Nylander for a top 5 draft pick , select the top defender and the top goalie in the draft.  Use the cap space on Pietrangelo.  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2020, 10:24:50 AM

Good article on a potential Leafs pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 28, 2020, 10:34:13 AM
If the Leafs keep the pick, I think they're going to get a very good player. Jarvis looks pretty slick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 28, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Good article on a potential Leafs pick.

Scouching report on Seth Jarvis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUe17EGJ2lo
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on September 28, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
Good article on a potential Leafs pick.

Scouching report on Seth Jarvis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUe17EGJ2lo

He's no Griffith but it will have to do.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 28, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/
Quote
"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on September 28, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/
Quote
"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

That goes without saying but for whatever reason it makes me feel better that he said that out loud.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on September 29, 2020, 10:02:00 AM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/
Quote
"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later.  I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 29, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/
Quote
"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."

7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later.  I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.
I'm not really following you. When all is said and done, the Leafs are missing their 3rd round pick this year and have 4 in the first 4 rounds, which is pretty much normal, no? They're in decent shape.
Want to see crap? Pitt has 4 picks this year..3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round. Next year they have 4 again so far...2nd, 5th, 7th, 7th.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on September 29, 2020, 12:01:07 PM
7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later.  I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.
I'm not really following you. When all is said and done, the Leafs are missing their 3rd round pick this year and have 4 in the first 4 rounds, which is pretty much normal, no? They're in decent shape.
Want to see crap? Pitt has 4 picks this year..3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round. Next year they have 4 again so far...2nd, 5th, 7th, 7th.
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I think the point is that the Leafs have had a chance to have a lot more talent in the system than they do but have dealt multiple 1st and 2nd rounders away over the last few years. That they've recouped some of that with things like the Kapanen deal is good but they could still be in a better situation.

And I think the obvious counterpoint re: Pittsburgh is that having a lousy collection of draft picks is probably more acceptable if you're trying to give your stars a shot at their 4th cup.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 10:37:26 AM
A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well

Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/

Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/

Another Dobber ranking
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/09/30/dobberprospects-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings/

In range for the Leafs: Seth Jarvis, Connor Zary, Hendrix Lapierre, Noel Gunler, Mavrik Bourque, Rodion Amirov, Jack Quinn, and if we're really lucky: Anton Lundell
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2020, 01:29:13 PM
A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well

Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/

Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/

Another Dobber ranking
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/09/30/dobberprospects-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings/

In range for the Leafs: Seth Jarvis, Connor Zary, Hendrix Lapierre, Noel Gunler, Mavrik Bourque, Rodion Amirov, Jack Quinn, and if we're really lucky: Anton Lundell
It's going to be interesting to see this unfold especially with Arizona losing their draft picks and them dangling everyone on their roster to get them back for this re-build/tool whatever they want to call it.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.

NJ (who have 3 picks!) or Carolina?

I would normally say BUF, MIN, NSH, EDM as well, but they need long-term scoring talent more than anything
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.
I think that's a definite possibility.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2020, 01:54:44 PM
I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.

NJ (who have 3 picks!) or Carolina?

I would normally say BUF, MIN, NSH as well, but they need long-term scoring talent more than anything
I think Car or Edm take him. NJ is def a possibility too.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2020, 02:11:19 PM

Melnyk definitely billed someone for the Ottawa ones.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 02:36:45 PM

Melnyk definitely billed someone for the Ottawa ones.

That is a solid pun and jab.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Andy on September 30, 2020, 04:31:48 PM

Melnyk definitely billed someone for the Ottawa ones.

That is a solid pun and jab.

Guess that's the first time he's spent over the Cap....  ;)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 30, 2020, 04:37:28 PM


Guess that's the first time he's spent over the Cap....  ;)

This, sir, is excellent work.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 05:22:03 PM
Just a quick reference viz for draft eligibles' NHLe and probabilities.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on September 30, 2020, 08:56:56 PM
So if we miss on Askarov in the first round what would people think about picking Nico Daws in the second?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 01, 2020, 08:31:30 AM
So if we miss on Askarov in the first round what would people think about picking Nico Daws in the second?

2nd round might be a little early for Daws. If they can pick up a 3rd rounder or a late 2nd, then maybe.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 01, 2020, 10:38:48 AM
So if we miss on Askarov in the first round what would people think about picking Nico Daws in the second?

2nd round might be a little early for Daws. If they can pick up a 3rd rounder or a late 2nd, then maybe.
I think you're right and it depends who's available where the Leafs pick. He had a very good year but he was also D+1. Most rankings I've seen have him in the 3rd/4th round so if the Leafs can grab him in the 3rd then it's a possibility.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 01, 2020, 11:15:11 AM
I think you're right and it depends who's available where the Leafs pick. He had a very good year but he was also D+1. Most rankings I've seen have him in the 3rd/4th round so if the Leafs can grab him in the 3rd then it's a possibility.

Yeah. That, plus a not so great showing at the WJC combined with the fact that his numbers before 19/20 were not very good are concerns for me in terms of using a higher pick on him. I think the potential is there, but he seems like he's still quite raw. He's more likely a longer term project, and which translates to a mid to late round pick rather than a top 60 pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 01, 2020, 01:02:47 PM
When's the last time the Leafs had a legit top goalie prospect?  Rask and Pogge?  Did we consider Reimer a top-prospect?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 01, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
When's the last time the Leafs had a legit top goalie prospect?  Rask and Pogge?  Did we consider Reimer a top-prospect?
Yup. Both Rask and Pogge were def considered top goalie prospects. I think Ian Scott is a very good prospect. We'll see if it works out.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/article246120615.html
The Carolina Hurricanes have the 13th pick of the first round and eight draft picks in all. They also appear to have their sights firmly set, president and general manager Don Waddell said in an interview this week.

"Offense. I think you're always looking for more offense," Waddell said. "You've got to look at who's going to be available at 13 but we emptied the cupboard a little bit last year with a couple of trades and we think we've got lots of good young D coming, so if we can find that offensive player it certainly would be something that's a need for the organization."

They could always pull a 180 but sounds like Carolina wants a forward/not Askarov.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 01, 2020, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/article246120615.html
The Carolina Hurricanes have the 13th pick of the first round and eight draft picks in all. They also appear to have their sights firmly set, president and general manager Don Waddell said in an interview this week.

"Offense. I think you're always looking for more offense," Waddell said. "You've got to look at who's going to be available at 13 but we emptied the cupboard a little bit last year with a couple of trades and we think we've got lots of good young D coming, so if we can find that offensive player it certainly would be something that's a need for the organization."

They could always pull a 180 but sounds like Carolina wants a forward/not Askarov.

They should've taken Kapanen for the 13th then to get offense right away
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 01, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for fun

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 02, 2020, 07:29:51 AM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for fun


The above draft would only be complete if Dubas stated in his press conference that he got "Ma Guay" in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 02, 2020, 08:57:22 AM
Taylor Gauthier.  Even if we dump our current goat we can replenish with another.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on October 02, 2020, 11:12:09 AM
Taylor Gauthier.  Even if we dump our current goat we can replenish with another.

He's Taylor made for the role.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 02, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
Pretty sure Alexander Pashin is Alexei Yashin trying to make a NHL comeback under a horrible psuedonym.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 03, 2020, 06:34:02 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2020/1/22/21073431/toronto-maple-leafs-finding-future-diamonds-in-the-rough-from-development-camp-invites

Revisiting an article about revisiting invitee-prospects at dev camp for some potential insight into who the Leafs might take overages fliers on in the 6-7th Rds
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 03, 2020, 07:31:10 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2020/1/22/21073431/toronto-maple-leafs-finding-future-diamonds-in-the-rough-from-development-camp-invites

Revisiting an article about revisiting invitee-prospects at dev camp for some potential insight into who the Leafs might take overages fliers on in the 6-7th Rds
I would go for a few of them. Why not? Some guys are late bloomers. Hamblin finished 25 points ahead of teammates and is a free agent. Gunnarwolfe Fontaine just because of his name lol. Some interesting kids on that list.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 05, 2020, 09:10:14 AM
One more day.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 05, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning

He's going to announce that this draft is "imperative to the future progress of our program".
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 05, 2020, 09:40:23 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning

I'm sure Steve Simmons is ready with a stupid question.

"Kyle, you've been on this job now more than 2 years.  Why do you think it is that you've never received even 1 vote for executive of the year?  Do you think it's a failing of your time as GM here and do you think you should be fired?"
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 09:53:12 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning

I'm sure Steve Simmons is ready with a stupid question.

"Kyle, you've been on this job now more than 2 years.  Why do you think it is that you've never received even 1 vote for executive of the year?  Do you think it's a failing of your time as GM here and do you think you should be fired?"

"Nope."
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 10:50:13 AM
A 2nd Rd option: Marat Khusnutdinov
Scouching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M41dEfoCr30
Habs Eyes on the Prize profile (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2020/2020/10/4/21450971/marat-khusnutdinov-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-scouting-report-stats-rankings-ska-st-petersburg)

Brayden Pointy?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
A 2nd Rd option: Marat Khusnutdinov
Scouching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M41dEfoCr30
Habs Eyes on the Prize profile (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2020/2020/10/4/21450971/marat-khusnutdinov-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-scouting-report-stats-rankings-ska-st-petersburg)

Brayden Pointy?
Draft is such a crap shoot. I see so many kids I would like the Leafs to have.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 11:32:30 AM
A 2nd Rd option: Marat Khusnutdinov
Scouching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M41dEfoCr30
Habs Eyes on the Prize profile (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2020/2020/10/4/21450971/marat-khusnutdinov-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-scouting-report-stats-rankings-ska-st-petersburg)

Brayden Pointy?
Draft is such a crap shoot. I see so many kids I would like the Leafs to have.

Trade down for more picks :D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning

He's going to announce that this draft is "imperative to the future progress of our program".

This is not what you promised, Carlton
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning

He's going to announce that this draft is "imperative to the future progress of our program".

This is not what you promised, Carlton
Yeah CTB...yer fired!!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 05, 2020, 03:39:03 PM
Why did I think the draft was today? Now I have to come up with new evening plans other than refreshing twitter every 2 mins lol.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 05, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
Why did I think the draft was today? Now I have to come up with new evening plans other than refreshing twitter every 2 mins lol.

Well, you could stay in.  Or you could stay in.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on October 05, 2020, 03:58:43 PM
Why did I think the draft was today? Now I have to come up with new evening plans other than refreshing twitter every 2 mins lol.

Change it to 10 minutes tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on October 05, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 05, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.

He's gauging the fan/media response.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 05, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.

Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on October 05, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.

Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.

Knowing Kyles tendencies a little more now, my guess is he may be targeting a player below that 15th spot. Someone he could trade down for and grab another 2nd or 3rd in the process. Of course just a complete guess at this point. He certianly comes off with all the confidence in the world at these drafts .
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.

Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.

Knowing Kyles tendencies a little more now, my guess is he may be targeting a player below that 15th spot. Someone he could trade down for and grab another 2nd or 3rd in the process. Of course just a complete guess at this point. He certianly comes off with all the confidence in the world at these drafts .
I don't believe and hope he doesn't work that way. I think he looks at the quality of players in or around the pick and reacts to how the draft goes. Some players drop for whatever reason. I don't think he says, let's see who's at 19 so we can drop down and get a 3rd. Taking a lesser perceived talent is not how you go about the draft. The draft is about quality, not quantity. He's going to pick the best player he can and wants. As for trading down in general, you still have to have a team that feels they need to use your pick, much like St Louis did a few years back. It should be interesting tomorrow because Arizona needs picks and the draft is tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on October 05, 2020, 06:10:43 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.

Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.

Knowing Kyles tendencies a little more now, my guess is he may be targeting a player below that 15th spot. Someone he could trade down for and grab another 2nd or 3rd in the process. Of course just a complete guess at this point. He certianly comes off with all the confidence in the world at these drafts .
I don't believe and hope he doesn't work that way. I think he looks at the quality of players in or around the pick and reacts to how the draft goes. Some players drop for whatever reason. I don't think he says, let's see who's at 19 so we can drop down and get a 3rd. Taking a lesser perceived talent is not how you go about the draft. The draft is about quality, not quantity. He's going to pick the best player he can and wants. As for trading down in general, you still have to have a team that feels they need to use your pick, much like St Louis did a few years back. It should be interesting tomorrow because Arizona needs picks and the draft is tomorrow.

I suppose its a combination of all those things. But I'm sure he has targets in mind and if they fall or if he feels they won't go before a certain pick he trades down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:09:52 AM
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Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
Still so many hours to wait
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 10:19:39 AM
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Hug it out!  Yet another day where I watch waiting for trades, nothing happens and a bunch of guys are selected that I know little to nothing about.  ;D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on October 06, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?

 After someone else drafts him we can always trade for him two or three times.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 10:44:08 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?

Can he win faceoffs like his dad?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?

Can he win faceoffs like his dad?

He's a winger so he doesn't take many, but was 57.7% on the draw this past season.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 11:48:00 AM

O...k...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: KadriFan on October 06, 2020, 12:48:10 PM
Hoping for a right D who can play defence
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 12:54:17 PM
So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?

It feels like the Leafs are right at the point of the draft where anything can happen. My picks would be Askarov or Jarvis if they're available at 15. I'd consider moving back a bit only if both of those guys are gone (and there aren't any other surprise guys who dropped).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bullfrog on October 06, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
If the option is there, I'd like to see them move up and grab Askarov.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: louisstamos on October 06, 2020, 01:03:53 PM
So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?

It feels like the Leafs are right at the point of the draft where anything can happen. My picks would be Askarov or Jarvis if they're available at 15. I'd consider moving back a bit only if both of those guys are gone (and there aren't any other surprise guys who dropped).

This was almost word for word my Facebook status today. :P  I assume if they drop, they'll go after someone like Ridly Greig (F) or Jeremie Poirier (D).  But yeah - Askarov or Jarvis for me.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 01:09:38 PM
It would be kind of fun to have an interesting goalie prospect.

It's not as sexy as a first round pick forward, but it would be fun to follow his progress.  I know we'd have to be patient with his development but do you think he could start the home opener on January 1st?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 01:16:24 PM
It would be kind of fun to have an interesting goalie prospect.

It's not as sexy as a first round pick forward, but it would be fun to follow his progress.  I know we'd have to be patient with his development but do you think he could start the home opener on January 1st?

That should give him enough time!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 01:47:33 PM
So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?

It feels like the Leafs are right at the point of the draft where anything can happen. My picks would be Askarov or Jarvis if they're available at 15. I'd consider moving back a bit only if both of those guys are gone (and there aren't any other surprise guys who dropped).

This was almost word for word my Facebook status today. :P  I assume if they drop, they'll go after someone like Ridly Greig (F) or Jeremie Poirier (D).  But yeah - Askarov or Jarvis for me.
Heard on Leafs Lunch Jacob Perreault could be a target of Dubas. One of the highest skillsets in the draft. Scheduled to go late first/early second round. Maybe he moves down to get him?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bullfrog on October 06, 2020, 01:52:24 PM
It would be kind of fun to have an interesting goalie prospect.

It's not as sexy as a first round pick forward, but it would be fun to follow his progress.  I know we'd have to be patient with his development but do you think he could start the home opener on January 1st?

I'm still mad they didn't figure out how to draft Samsonov.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 01:59:44 PM

Much better bathroom access than other years.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Dappleganger on October 06, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 02:25:15 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.

5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.

5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.

They have heart-eyes for Sanderson
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.

5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
If this guy is going to be the next Carey Price then you can't let him go. Like you said, it's much easier doing it because they have multiple firsts. Should be interesting. Who knows, he could drop down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Wonder how they'll show the draft tonight since all the GMs are in their own places.   Zoom-call like with 31 pictures ? LOL....probably show one team at a time as they're up to pick I suppose.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 02:42:02 PM
Wonder how they'll show the draft tonight since all the GMs are in their own places.   Zoom-call like with 31 pictures ? LOL....probably show one team at a time as they're up to pick I suppose.

I hope teams just communicate their picks with the NHL and Bettman or Daly announce them, followed by the analysis from the broadcast. I really don't want to see GMs fumbling around with zoom and congratulating the Lightning for winning the Cup every single pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2020, 02:42:59 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.

5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.

They also need help at virtually every position. They have some good prospects, but no real game-breakers. They do have a couple goalie projects/prospects, but they could definitely use a blue-chip 'tender - though, there aren't many teams that couldn't.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 02:51:55 PM
"With the first overall pick, the New York Rangers are proud to select Alex-- Laf--iere."
"Sorry, Jeff, can you repeat that? It cut out a bit at the player name."
"We are picking Alex-- Laf----re"
"Alex Laferriere?
"That is correct"

Zoom camera jump cut to Alexis Lafreniere looking shocked. Jump cut to Alex Laferriere looking bemused.
No one else notices for 14 more picks.

"The Toronto Maple Leafs are proud to select, Alexis Lafreniere"
"What?"
"He was on the board"
*checks notes... "oh! I guess that's that."

--

Dubas: "Good work, Sam, on the Zoom audio hack on HQ"
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 03:44:44 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 05:52:54 PM

McGuire: guy ranked in the top 10 of almost every draft ranking, often even in the top 5, might get drafted in the top 10.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 05:57:47 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.

5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.

They also need help at virtually every position. They have some good prospects, but no real game-breakers. They do have a couple goalie projects/prospects, but they could definitely use a blue-chip 'tender - though, there aren't many teams that couldn't.

Ottawa could get Drysdale and Byfield.

I hate the sens.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
You know, this year, they should have made a rule that you could trade cash for players or picks.

The smaller market teams are going to need cash.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 06:46:04 PM
You know, this year, they should have made a rule that you could trade cash for players or picks.

The smaller market teams are going to need cash.

I'm trying to imagine something more antithetical to how Bettman's set up the entire league and failing.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
This is gonna sound crazy but is there an online feed to watch the draft?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
This is gonna sound crazy but is there an online feed to watch the draft?

You should see if you can join the Zoom call.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 07:11:06 PM
This is gonna sound crazy but is there an online feed to watch the draft?
Ustvgo.tv/nbcsn
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:13:49 PM

Anyone else kind of think there'll be a lot fewer deals this year with the absence of chummy inperson talks?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
Why are the Rangers taking the full 5 minutes to make their pick.   This is just stupid
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 07:19:28 PM

Anyone else kind of think there'll be a lot fewer deals this year with the absence of chummy inperson talks?


"Ummm...Kenny, you're still on mute.  From reading your lips it looks like you are offering Draisaitl for Andersen.  I can go ahead and start that trade call for you."

But ya, it looks like activity will be way down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:22:28 PM

The awkwardness level of cutting to Lafreniere in his living room, wordlessly hugging his parents so as to mimic what would happen in a normal draft was right up there.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on October 06, 2020, 07:22:33 PM
A W K W A R D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Why are the Rangers taking the full 5 minutes to make their pick.   This is just stupid
Gotta fill tv time. Lol
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Imagine being a top 3 pick in this draft and potentially getting to live in NY, LA or...Ottawa.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
The Byfield family celebration was way better
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:30:49 PM
Imagine being a top 3 pick in this draft and potentially getting to live in NY, LA or...Ottawa.
Haha. When you put it that way. Well it should be cheaper to live there. That's a positive, no?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 07:31:48 PM
The Byfield family celebration was way better

Dodged Ottawa
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:34:14 PM

Burke just referred to this German kid as "thick and obnoxious" as a compliment.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:35:10 PM
That was pretty decent. Alex Trebek
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Ok, that was kind of cool by Ottawa.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 07:35:56 PM
Ottawa is gonna ruin all that goodwill by letting Melnyk make their next pick
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
Ottawa is gonna ruin all that goodwill by letting Melnyk make their next pick
No doubt
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 07:49:35 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.

5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.

They have heart-eyes for Sanderson

Cool
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Oof, could you trade up for Drysdale at this point?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2020, 07:52:34 PM
Oof, could you trade up for Drysdale at this point?

I can?t imagine Anaheim isn?t ecstatic to see him still on the board.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
Oof, could you trade up for Drysdale at this point?

I can?t imagine Anaheim isn?t ecstatic to see him still on the board.
You would think but....nah.  Gift wrapped
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
Hey guys the pick is in
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:57:02 PM
Hey guys the pick is in
That was lame.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 07:59:33 PM
Cory Pronman is spoiling all the picks on twitter
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
Wow what?s wrong with Perfetti?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:05:33 PM
Cory Pronman is spoiling all the picks on twitter

I really don't understand that outside of the fact that that's what passes as "reporting" in sports these days. Mention transactions 5 minutes before everyone else and you're an "insider".
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:08:03 PM
Haha. Funny. Jack Quinn. Now I don't have to watch. Just refresh. Twitter.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:09:20 PM
Yo we might get Rossi or Lundell
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Gerald The Duck on October 06, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
Wow I'm really out of it, I had no idea Kevyn Adams had been named Buffalo GM, remember him from those late 90s/early 00s playoff runs.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Joe S. on October 06, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
This is so boring.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:16:28 PM
This is so boring.
Most drafts are. Go watch another show and get in the Twitter lol.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
Wow what?s wrong with Perfetti?

I watched a whole one game of his this season in Hamilton and he sucked. Bust.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
Wow what?s wrong with Perfetti?

I watched a whole one game of his this season in Hamilton and he sucked. Bust.
Well that's it then. He's out.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on October 06, 2020, 08:19:31 PM
CTB has spoken.  This is the way. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:21:55 PM
CTB has spoken.  This is the way. 
Good enough for me. Nice touch with Hawerchuks wife.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
Don't say I didn't warn ya, Winnipeg.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:24:47 PM
He can solve a Rubix cube in under a minute.   That?s a weird flex for an NHL prospect. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:25:42 PM
Here's how the 2020 draft breaks down by where the players are from:

1 guy from Quebec
1 guy from Germany
1 guy from the States
1 guy from Austria
1 guy from Ottawa
2 guys from Sweden
3 guys from the GTA

So, yeah, just Toronto being Toronto.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:28:22 PM
Here's how the 2020 draft breaks down by where the players are from:

1 guy from Quebec
1 guy from Germany
1 guy from the States
1 guy from Austria
1 guy from Ottawa
2 guys from Sweden
3 guys from the GTA

So, yeah, just Toronto being Toronto.

Think of all the guys who will be rumoured to sign with the Leafs in 10 years.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
Damn.  Stupid Josi
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:29:01 PM
Shit.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:29:18 PM
Nuts.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:29:50 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov?  I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:30:00 PM
*kicks a garbage can*
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov?  I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.

I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:33:30 PM
But I have total confidence in the Leafs' goaltending.

Total confidence.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov?  I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.

I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.

Also Rinne is bound to retire soon (and declining) and Saros is decent but not exactly on a "goalie of the future" level.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:34:22 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov?  I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.

I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.

I suppose.  I figured he wouldn't make it past the Hurricanes anyways.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
But I have total confidence in the Leafs' goaltending.

Total confidence.
Let's see what Ian Scott turns into. Maybe the Leafs will grab Daws later on.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Does Carolina take Jarvis?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:36:32 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov?  I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.

I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.

I suppose.  I figured he wouldn't make it past the Hurricanes anyways.
Or the Oilers
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
Does Carolina take Jarvis?
Would you? I probably would.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:37:24 PM
Wake up Dubas!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:38:41 PM
Kinda interesting no one really went off the board yet.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:38:51 PM
Wake up Dubas!
He's sleeping?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
Super exciting all the trades here tonight.

Really glad I tuned in.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:39:43 PM
Kinda interesting no one really went off the board yet.
Dubas will lol.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:39:44 PM
Kinda interesting no one really went off the board yet.

The order wasn't set but I feel like it was pretty clear who the top-12 guys in the draft were. This is kinda where things get interesting.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
F.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:41:18 PM
Of course. Ok trade down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Dubas is clearly trading down.   Have to maximize our 5th round picks
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:41:57 PM
Of course. Ok trade down.
Won't surprise me.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
That?s a bit of a leap
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Disappointing if only because some people's heads would have exploded if the Leafs drafted Jarvis.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
Damnit
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Joe S. on October 06, 2020, 08:42:28 PM
It?s amazing how these kids being drafted have webcams from 1998.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:43:40 PM
You know, there have been like three players that have been compared to Mitch Marner that have been drafted.  Kinda glad now that the Leafs already have that player.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:44:18 PM
It?s amazing how these kids being drafted have webcams from 1998.
Haha. No kidding
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 08:44:46 PM
Leafs taking Amirov?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
I'm am hoping at this point for Hendrix Lapierre.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:45:14 PM
Pierre McGuire just said "nobody talks about Carolina's defence!"...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:45:44 PM
I'm am hoping at this point for Hendrix Lapierre.
Still good options.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:46:05 PM
Pierre McGuire just said "nobody talks about Carolina's defence!"...
What? On crack lol.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
Ok who we taking?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:49:32 PM
Guhle maybe? Hendrix?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:50:05 PM
Lots of quality players.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:50:29 PM
We better not take Schneider.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
On the Sportsnet feed, they just asked Burke if he thinks the Maple Leafs make the pick, and he says "Yes, because they should be like me and never trade a first round pick".
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:53:40 PM
I like it.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:53:47 PM
Cool.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:54:14 PM
Did Mitch Marner work this into his contract?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 08:54:39 PM
I'm an insider
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
Did Mitch Marner work this into his contract?

Perfect cap to his up and down season.   He fumbled the draft call.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:55:09 PM
Seems like a good fit. Of the guys left he was one who's scouting reports seemed to jump out at me.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:55:18 PM
Small, soft skill was repeated by Burke there.

So...sure.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
I'm an insider
Good call. I like the pick. Glad they didn't pick Schneider.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:55:51 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
Did Mitch Marner work this into his contract?

Perfect cap to his up and down season.   He fumbled the draft call.
Rielly hot the sweater turn right tho lol.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:57:10 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?

Honestly the Leafs prospect group could use help everywhere. I'm not sure looking at positions was really a big focus.

Also Pronman had him 16th, so I'm not really sure this is off the board in any way.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:57:22 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?

Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:58:45 PM
Come on.  Guys. Come on. I hope they're active this weekend.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?

I think in the middle of the first round you just have to go with the player you like best regardless of position but I'm always going to be a bit suspicious of drafting guys where the highlights look like they were filmed by a guy smuggling a camera into a movie theatre.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.

Thing is, not only is the wing where the Leafs are strongest prospect wise, it's the easiest position to add via free agency.

Conversely, we've got people saying the Leafs basically can't trade someone as unimportant as Kerfoot because they've got basically nothing in the system at C.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
Small, soft skill was repeated by Burke there.

So...sure.
So he's 6 feet tall and weighs in around 180. I guess that's small.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:05:46 PM
Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.

Thing is, not only is the wing where the Leafs are strongest prospect wise, it's the easiest position to add via free agency.

Conversely, we've got people saying the Leafs basically can't trade someone as unimportant as Kerfoot because they've got basically nothing in the system at C.

Sure and to completely obliterate my own point.  Don?t draft for need.  Draft BPA.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/nhl-draft/2020/10/6/21504013/toronto-maple-leafs-draft-rodion-amirov-at-15th-overall
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 09:06:21 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?

Honestly the Leafs prospect group could use help everywhere. I'm not sure looking at positions was really a big focus.

Also Pronman had him 16th, so I'm not really sure this is off the board in any way.
Kevin Papetti is ecstatic lol.

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:07:22 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 09:08:21 PM
Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.

Thing is, not only is the wing where the Leafs are strongest prospect wise, it's the easiest position to add via free agency.

Conversely, we've got people saying the Leafs basically can't trade someone as unimportant as Kerfoot because they've got basically nothing in the system at C.
Right and I mean they aren't afraid to convert C to wing initially in their career. Look at Naz.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:08:54 PM
So cute
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:09:28 PM
Sure and to completely obliterate my own point.  Don?t draft for need.  Draft BPA.

Oh I agree. If this kid is who they like best, go ahead. I'm just saying I think if you're looking at the NHL roster need wise, having any sort of C depth in the system is probably along with goaltending is head and shoulders over everything.

As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:10:03 PM



All the nerd boys of Leafs Twitter are down (which is good? Did I do lingo right?)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:10:13 PM
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?

That was my thought too. When Bettman said the pick wasn't in I was expecting a trade.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?

That was my thought too. When Bettman said the pick wasn't in I was expecting a trade.

Yup. Marner looked off camera to make sure they didn?t get a bite
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:13:05 PM
Looks like he's a Daniel Milstein client.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
Scouching report (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKf_pni8vus) on Amirov
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:14:12 PM
Looks like he's a Daniel Milstein client.

Doesn?t he have a monopoly on Russian players?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:18:47 PM

Trading down 3 spots gets the Flames a mid 3rd so not really a big deal or worth risking not getting your guy in the first.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on October 06, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Can Rod Roddey play net?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
Really interested to see where Lapierre goes at this point
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:23:23 PM
Braden Schneider being excitedly described as every 1st round defenceman who was a bust by Craig Button right now.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
They keep showing all these draft picks in Maple Leaf pajamas on the Sportsnet feed.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:24:33 PM
The Rangers are putting together a pretty crazy group of prospects for a team that's already pretty good.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:25:10 PM

Well Matthews will be a fan.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:27:09 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.

No it?s literally because the kid is Russian and they have no information.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:28:13 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.

He's listed at 167 lbs so that's what they're referring to. But room to grow if his frame is decent.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:28:40 PM
Braden Schneider being excitedly described as every 1st round defenceman who was a bust by Craig Button right now.
I really went and looked at all I could find on Schneider and the more I saw, the less I wanted the Leafs to take him. He may turn out great, but not at 15.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.

Sounds like more of a weight thing rather than a height thing.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Mukhamadullin.   That?s quite the name.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:30:18 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.

Sounds like more of a weight thing rather than a height thing.

Maybe it?s not too late to go back and draft Nick Ritchie or Lawson Crouse
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:32:39 PM
Braden Schneider being excitedly described as every 1st round defenceman who was a bust by Craig Button right now.
I really went and looked at all I could find on Schneider and the more I saw, the less I wanted the Leafs to take him. He may turn out great, but not at 15.

He sounds like a good pick for a team like the Rangers who don't need to swing for the fences.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:32:48 PM

CJ clarifies that he has just 1 year left on his KHL deal. Gotta imagine Milstein's relationship with the Leafs will help get him over quickly.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:34:27 PM
(https://i.redd.it/dkg6qam6o6n01.png)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
I can't find the Columbus guy on McKenzie's top 100.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 09:35:37 PM
Columbus picked a guy with a 164 consensus ranking
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:35:40 PM
I can't find the Columbus guy on McKenzie's top 100.

19 years old.   Turns 20 in February.   Seems odd for a 1st round pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
I can't find the Columbus guy on McKenzie's top 100.

Pronman had him ranked 125th. Wow.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:37:32 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.

Sounds like more of a weight thing rather than a height thing.
I guess you're right. I think on the show he was listed at 177. Anyway I also found it funny that Sam says he's about 3 years away and from what I've read here, he could be ready in a year lol. Do these guys even know what they're talking about? Anyway I like the pick. Potential to be a 1st line guy picked in the middle of the 1st round, we'll take it.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Going way off the board for New Jersey and Columbus' picks
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:38:15 PM
The panel saying "If you like your guy, go get him" and all but crazy to think you couldn't have traded down and picked up some stuff for a guy ranked as a 4th rounder in most places.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:39:41 PM
The panel saying "If you like your guy, go get him" and all but crazy to think you couldn't have traded down and picked up some stuff for a guy ranked as a 4th rounder in most places.

Has a draft show ever even remotely criticized a draft pick before? That selection was nuts.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:40:19 PM
Bob McKenzie: "he wasn't in our top 93... that doesn't make him a bad pick..."
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:41:37 PM
Calamari playing the trade down game.  Wonder if that off the board pick let them do that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:43:36 PM
https://theathletic.com/2089449/2020/10/06/nhl-draft-2020-live-first-round-updates-and-analysis/
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15. Toronto Maple Leafs: Rodion Amirov, LW, Ufa-MHL
Oct. 2, 2001 | six-foot | 167 pounds

Amirov bounced around between the pro and junior level all season. He was excellent versus his peers at the junior level, and versus men he showed flashes, including in a brief appearance late with Russia?s national team. He was also dominant at Russia?s U20 camp during the summer. Amirov is easy to spot on the ice when he has the puck because he?s very quick and skilled. He has quick-twitch hands and can inside-out defenders while skating at full speed. He has the ability to pull off a highlight reel play.He can set up and finish plays well. He flashes high-end playmaking and shooting ability, but neither consistently. His game is more about his pure skill and driving play forward with a ton of clean entries. His speed isn?t amazing, more just good; but his edges and cutbacks are excellent. Amirov has a slight frame, which led to struggles versus men who could knock him off pucks, but he does work hard and when he puts on muscle I could see him get inside easier.

Vancouver draft pick Vasili Podkolzin on Amirov: ?Amirov is a smart player with soft hands and good speed. He?s a non-standard player in terms of his decision making, he?s a very creative guy.?

Pronman?s thoughts: Amirov is a very dynamic forward, one with tremendous skating and skill whose skill set will translate into a quality top-six forward. He?s looked excellent going into the new season and looks like he can be a driver at the pro level. He will take another year or so in Russia likely before coming to Toronto. He adds a skating dynamic to the Leafs? pipeline that a lot of their top youngsters don?t have.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
Bob McKenzie: "he wasn't in our top 93... that doesn't make him a bad pick..."

Yes it does lol. It means you could have picked him up in the 20th round lol.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.

I feel like Mavrik Bourque or Hendrix Lapierre would have been the Leafs picks as "best CHL centre available" and neither of them have gone yet which might indicate the gap between Amirov and those guys.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:46:06 PM
I assume that?s Guhle
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:46:13 PM
And as I say that...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:47:23 PM
And as I say that...

Lapierre has a concussion risk unfortunately.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:47:46 PM
I've been watching the Sportsnet broadcast all night and in no way would I describe the reaction to the Amirov pick as the Leafs being "slammed". They basically talked about it the way they did every pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
I've been watching the Sportsnet broadcast all night and in no way would I describe the reaction to the Amirov pick as the Leafs being "slammed". They basically talked about it the way they did every pick.

This might be in reference to a Twitter response (Colaiacovo for example) and everyone sort of has a different curation. My timeline is ecstatic.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:51:02 PM
I assume that?s Guhle
No Greig is a guy too.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:51:58 PM
I assume that?s Guhle
No Greig is a guy too.

The guy projected for the second round?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:53:12 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.

I feel like Mavrik Bourque or Hendrix Lapierre would have been the Leafs picks as "best CHL centre available" and neither of them have gone yet which might indicate the gap between Amirov and those guys.

I think Zary was where I was leaning but in large part because I think the Leafs prospect system needs an injection of some safe-ish talent that solves an issue if the pick plays out. I think it's fair to say that since the Leafs' pick a lot of teams haven't looked for the safe option.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:55:16 PM
I've been watching the Sportsnet broadcast all night and in no way would I describe the reaction to the Amirov pick as the Leafs being "slammed". They basically talked about it the way they did every pick.

This might be in reference to a Twitter response (Colaiacovo for example) and everyone sort of has a different curation. My timeline is ecstatic.
Colaiacovo has some weird takes on players.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
I assume that?s Guhle
No Greig is a guy too.

The guy projected for the second round?
I guess. I didn't hear them getting slammed or who was involved.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
I generally don't know what I'm supposed to do with the fact that the Flyer's draft pick's parents work at the Honda factory at Alliston and how that makes them a traditional hardworking hockey family.

Seriously, 99% of the stuff in between the picks is just straight up nonsense. Is there really not enough hockey to talk about?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:58:48 PM
I generally don't know what I'm supposed to do with the fact that the Flyer's draft pick's parents work at the Honda factory at Alliston and how that makes them a traditional hardworking hockey family.

Seriously, 99% of the stuff in between the picks is just straight up nonsense. Is there really not enough hockey to talk about?
I guess not. 5 mins between picks is waaaay too long.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:59:01 PM
I generally don't know what I'm supposed to do with the fact that the Flyer's draft pick's parents work at the Honda factory at Alliston and how that makes them a traditional hardworking hockey family.

Seriously, 99% of the stuff in between the picks is just straight up nonsense. Is there really not enough hockey to talk about?

He catches fish though.   I?m not sure if that is more indicative of NHL superstardom or if it is solving a Rubik?s cube?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.

I feel like Mavrik Bourque or Hendrix Lapierre would have been the Leafs picks as "best CHL centre available" and neither of them have gone yet which might indicate the gap between Amirov and those guys.

I think Zary was where I was leaning but in large part because I think the Leafs prospect system needs an injection of some safe-ish talent that solves an issue if the pick plays out. I think it's fair to say that since the Leafs' pick a lot of teams haven't looked for the safe option.

Amirov actually looks pretty safe for a 'skill' pick. Most of him is quite developed already offensively and defensively. The scouting reports suggest speed could improve and strength. He's already doing well against KHL opposition.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:59:45 PM
Lanny should be the next Governor-General.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Andy on October 06, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
"I like fishermen"

Cutting edge analysis, Sportsnet, cutting edge
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
Amirov actually looks pretty safe for a 'skill' pick. Most of him is quite developed already offensively and defensively. The scouting reports suggest speed could improve and strength. He's already doing well against KHL opposition.

I'm always going to be a little skeptical about the "safety" of any pick from Europe where the message is "Don't worry about the fact that his scoring numbers are terrible in his draft year because he's playing against adults" because it probably means you're basing your in-game scouting on 3rd/4th line minutes as well as just the general scouting gap between CHL players and overseas guys.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
I think Zary was where I was leaning but in large part because I think the Leafs prospect system needs an injection of some safe-ish talent that solves an issue if the pick plays out. I think it's fair to say that since the Leafs' pick a lot of teams haven't looked for the safe option.

Zary would have been an interesting pick, yeah. Pronman had him ranked 11th. Calgary seemed to do well getting him while trading down twice.

I will say I have seen the word "safe" used with Amirov quite a few times in scouting reports. He seems to have a pretty solid all around game that will hopefully mean he's likely to make the NHL at some level of the line-up. I get he's not a centre but it's not like our wing prospect depth is all that great and when guys like Hyman and Johnsson and maybe even Mikheyev all depart the team in the next few years Amirov sounds like a guy in the Hyman/Robertson mould that will mesh well in our top-9.

A centre who could also move to wing if need be would sure have been nice, but Carolina probably screwed the Leafs plans in that regard.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.

No it?s literally because the kid is Russian and they have no information.
Even the NBC feed barely talked about him.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
If we had found a way to get a second pick or fell back in the draft Barron would have been a guy I would have been good with selecting
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
I get he's not a centre but it's not like our wing prospect depth is all that great and when guys like Hyman and Johnsson and maybe even Mikheyev all depart the team in the next few years Amirov sounds like a guy in the Hyman/Robertson mould that will mesh well in our top-9.

Our wing prospect base isn't great but that's in large part because it's where the team itself is strongest with a lot of good young players. And, sure, some of them may move on within the next few years but that's where I get back to it being the easiest position to fill via free agency, especially when in a lot of situations the team's need is going to be "Who can be a contributor to this already stacked line" as opposed to needing to find someone to build a line around.

So it could be a good pick, I just don't think it's the direction I'd have gone in.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
Mukhamadullin.   That?s quite the name.
Was looking at Amirov's Hockeydb and they're on the same team. Good point totals by Mukhamadullin.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 10:13:46 PM
The panel saying "If you like your guy, go get him" and all but crazy to think you couldn't have traded down and picked up some stuff for a guy ranked as a 4th rounder in most places.
Yeah I mean they could've traded down a crap ton of times and doubled their draft capital.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:17:56 PM

Well, I like Anaheim's draft.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 10:20:19 PM
Perrault is a nice pick especially that late in the 1st.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:25:33 PM
That doesn't look like a socially distanced household.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
That doesn't look like a socially distanced household.

COVID doesn?t exist in Alb-merica
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
Sandin played in the NHL in his D+2 season. Robertson looks like he'll be playing in the NHL in his D+2 season. Wouldn't be stunned if Amirov followed that trend in 21/22. He's one of the oldest players from this draft, he plays an all-around game, and he'll have two season of professional hockey against men under his belt.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:34:07 PM
Bob McKenzie: "it's not a good year for Americans"... he was talking about their lack of top prospects in this draft but I wonder if that was referring to other things as well.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
I love all this "Being a 2nd generation player gives you a leg up because you're not intimidated by being in NHL dressing rooms or by the travel" and it's not that, you know, it may give you access to better coaching or just the money to be on all the travel teams.

But no, I'm sure it's that other guys get lost on the way to dressing rooms.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
Sandin played in the NHL in his D+2 season. Robertson looks like he'll be playing in the NHL in his D+2 season. Wouldn't be stunned if Amirov followed that trend in 21/22. He's one of the oldest players from this draft, he plays an all-around game, and he'll have two season of professional hockey against men under his belt.

Burning ELCs with short, short jaunts like Nylander's first is probably better for our cap situation going forward.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:37:25 PM
Bourque finally gets picked 30th.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:41:49 PM

The Sharks director of amateur scouting is Doug Wilson Jr.

What a remarkable coincidence.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:50:35 PM
Tomorrow hopefully at least one of: Marat Khusnutdinov, Helge Grans, Topi Niemela, Anton Johannesson
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:53:05 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:57:21 PM

Well, my hopes at 44 are one of Foudy, Sourdif or Poirier.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: princedpw on October 06, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
Bob McKenzie: "it's not a good year for Americans"... he was talking about their lack of top prospects in this draft but I wonder if that was referring to other things as well.

Lol
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
Meaning he intended to take Rodion regardless of where he was picking? Makes me think he was probably going in the next pick or two.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 11:27:08 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 11:28:33 PM

Man this guy better come through for Columbus.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 11:39:19 PM
Columbus? next pick is in the 3rd rd at Montreal?s slot. Not sure why they didn?t try to trade down into the second for an extra third/fourth or something. This is a lot of undue pressure now.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 06, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Bob McKenzie: "it's not a good year for Americans"... he was talking about their lack of top prospects in this draft but I wonder if that was referring to other things as well.

No shit.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: louisstamos on October 07, 2020, 12:53:17 AM

Welp - I'm a fan!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Arn on October 07, 2020, 05:48:21 AM
I read the responses to the Leafs tweet announcing this selection and I genuinely think of the ~100 I managed to cope with reading 2 of them were less than murderous rage of anger at the selection.

This one was one of my favourites






Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 07:32:07 AM
Dan Milstein says Amirov is closer to 6'1" and 185lbs. Agents never lie
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
I read the responses to the Leafs tweet announcing this selection and I genuinely think of the ~100 I managed to cope with reading 2 of them were less than murderous rage of anger at the selection.

This one was one of my favourites

As if those upset fans would have recognized anyone taken at #15.  They wanted to hear "at number 15 the Leafs are proud to select from the St Louis Blues Alex Pietrangelo!"

Panel: "wait is this allowed? Oh my Leafs just selected Pietrangelo 12 years after his draft year! Have they found an NHL loophole??!"
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 08:19:17 AM
Colaiacovo has some weird takes on players.

He had a decent start in the media world as a fresh faced former player but he's pretty much devolved into the standard Toronto media personality who says things like "I don't know anything about the player they just drafted but I can tell you it was a bad pick" and then get miffed when people call that stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 08:43:19 AM
Just noticed Amirov is playing on the same team as Soshnikov. Sosh was one of the top goal scorers in the KHL last season and has 11 points in 7 games this season. Wonder if he'll be interested in another shot at the NHL next season.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 09:02:53 AM
Looking back at the top of the draft for a moment, it always confused me that there was really any debate around who LA might pick at 2: Byfield or Stutzle. Before I really looked into the prospect group this year very much I knew that Byfield was generally speaking the concensus #2 so when Stutzle entered into the conversation I assumed that it was him who was the big centre and that's why LA would have been more interested. But Byfield is the big (and very skilled) C and Stutzle is the smaller offensive winger. If LA did do a lot of flip-flopping on that pick I wonder what the reasoning was.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for fun


1/1 so far.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for fun


1/1 so far.

I'll be amazed if he's close to the mark, difficult to predict what each team will take in all those spots and who's available for Leafs.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: KadriFan on October 07, 2020, 09:12:41 AM
Looking back at the top of the draft for a moment, it always confused me that there was really any debate around who LA might pick at 2: Byfield or Stutzle. Before I really looked into the prospect group this year very much I knew that Byfield was generally speaking the concensus #2 so when Stutzle entered into the conversation I assumed that it was him who was the big centre and that's why LA would have been more interested. But Byfield is the big (and very skilled) C and Stutzle is the smaller offensive winger. If LA did do a lot of flip-flopping on that pick I wonder what the reasoning was.

I read someplace that Stutzle plays center.  Some wing...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
Looking back at the top of the draft for a moment, it always confused me that there was really any debate around who LA might pick at 2: Byfield or Stutzle. Before I really looked into the prospect group this year very much I knew that Byfield was generally speaking the concensus #2 so when Stutzle entered into the conversation I assumed that it was him who was the big centre and that's why LA would have been more interested. But Byfield is the big (and very skilled) C and Stutzle is the smaller offensive winger. If LA did do a lot of flip-flopping on that pick I wonder what the reasoning was.

Stutzle plays for the team in the DEL, Adler Mannheim, that is owned by the LA Kings' parent company.

Edit: AEG owns Eisbaren Berlin, so why am I propagating this. Maybe it's just, AEG owns a DEL team, the league where Tim Stutzle plays. There.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:23:12 AM
https://theathletic.com/2120383/2020/10/07/why-the-maple-leafs-went-with-rodion-amirov-with-the-15th-overall-pick/
Quote
Milstein also noted Amirov is actually closer to 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds ? not the 6-foot, 167 pounds the NHL has him listed at.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 09:23:13 AM

A reminder for anyone wondering when the Leafs next picks are.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2020/10/7/21505385/toronto-maple-leafs-top-10-prospects-still-on-the-board-to-open-the-second-round-nhl-draft-day-two

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 10:41:49 AM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 10:50:05 AM

Good article. I have to think that the signability factor is less of an issue with Milstein and the fact that Amirov isn't locked into a long contract in the KHL.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 07, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
Any thoughts about how high Robertson would have been drafted this year if he had been born a week later in 2001?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 11:20:04 AM
Any thoughts about how high Robertson would have been drafted this year if he had been born a week later in 2001?

15th overall.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
Lanny should be the next Governor-General.
He is too involved in running his families brewery in White Fish, Montana.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 11:29:26 AM

Good article. I have to think that the signability factor is less of an issue with Milstein and the fact that Amirov isn't locked into a long contract in the KHL.

Yeah, I mean relationships with agents can be volatile over time but it seems like the Leafs have a good relationship with Milstein and his clients right now.  They have treated their players well.  Things like Dubas staying with Mikheyev after his injury go a long way to building trust with an agent for his future clients.   I wouldn't be shocked if he comes to NA next year when his contract is up...I also wouldn't be shocked if he stays in Europe/Asia for another year.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
Colaiacovo has some weird takes on players.

He had a decent start in the media world as a fresh faced former player but he's pretty much devolved into the standard Toronto media personality who says things like "I don't know anything about the player they just drafted but I can tell you it was a bad pick" and then get miffed when people call that stupid.
He comes off as a clown sometimes with his stupid comments. One of his latest is the Leafs need to play hardball with Mikheyev. No way you can pay this guy 3 mill or whatever stupid number he pulled out of mid air. Um, no kidding and the Leafs aren't going to offer him that so get off your rant and sit down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on October 07, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
Somebody at the athletic said he would have been pushing top ten this year

Edit: sorry that was in response to the Robertson question
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
Somebody at the athletic said he would have been pushing top ten this year

Robertson outscored Jack Quinn in far fewer games played (55G/86PTs in 46GP vs 52G/89PTs in 62GP). They're about 1 week apart (Sept 11 vs Sept 19).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
There goes my board
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Minnesota/Judd Brackett is crushing it :(
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:24:05 PM
I'm all aboard the Niemela train
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:24:57 PM
I'm all aboard the Niemela train

Or Foudy!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:26:20 PM
How did Gunler fall this far, and of course Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
We go to commercial for the Leafs pick
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:36:05 PM
44 for 59 and 64.  I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here.  Not sure I'm a huge fan.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:38:36 PM
Dubas spotting them a couple thousand more ad impressions
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:39:18 PM
44 - Tyler Kleven
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: KadriFan on October 07, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
Bah who needs depth and a stable of good young prospects.  The future is now
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
C?mon Niemela, Foudy, Johannesson
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
44 - Tyler Kleven

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:47:11 PM
44 - Tyler Kleven


He's big and skates well.  Not a bad selection for them given it was their 4th pick in the top 44. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:00:52 PM
I like that Tuch pick for Montreal
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
There goes Jan Mysak
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:12:58 PM
44 for 59 and 64.  I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here.  Not sure I'm a huge fan.

I see where you're coming from, but the Leafs pick was also in the part of the draft where the perceived quality difference between large groups of potential draftees is minimal. Some guys are going to be better known, but not necessarily of significantly better potential.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:16:15 PM
44 for 59 and 64.  I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here.  Not sure I'm a huge fan.

I see where you're coming from, but the Leafs pick was also in the part of the draft where the perceived quality difference between large groups of potential draftees is minimal. Some guys are going to be better known, but not necessarily of significantly better potential.

That's entirely fair.  And seeing as the guy I wanted them to take is still on the board and we are 5 picks away maybe it ends up being the right move anyway.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: azzurri63 on October 07, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
If still there I would like to see them draft Carter Savoie. C'mon Dubas.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
44 for 59 and 64.  I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here.  Not sure I'm a huge fan.

I see where you're coming from, but the Leafs pick was also in the part of the draft where the perceived quality difference between large groups of potential draftees is minimal. Some guys are going to be better known, but not necessarily of significantly better potential.

That's entirely fair.  And seeing as the guy I wanted them to take is still on the board and we are 5 picks away maybe it ends up being the right move anyway.
I'm all aboard the Niemela train
I like him too.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
I'm all aboard the Niemela train
I like him too.

I'd like to see Poirier and/or Cormier as Leaf picks.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on October 07, 2020, 01:30:41 PM
I don't know who any of these people are.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
Montreal went with:
Tuch
Mysak

I am lol
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: louisstamos on October 07, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
Poirier and Daws for me.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 01:36:30 PM
Poirier and Daws for me.
I think Daws can be had later but I'd have no problem drafting him.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 164 lbs

Interesting.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:38:48 PM
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 164 lbs

Interesting.

Probably not a good long-term strategy but if Dubas is doing this specifically to get under the skin of his critics... I approve.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 164 lbs

Interesting.

Small two-way defensively reliable C with 2nd line upside (based on the little reading I just did).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:40:06 PM
In Ron(i) we trust
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Hirvonen was ranked 40th on Pronman's rankings, 30th on Wheeler's.

Future consideration's had him ranked 22nd.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2020, 01:42:16 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: lamajama on October 07, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)

Aw man thanks for the laugh. That's perfect  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:46:06 PM

Hmmm I probably would have done that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:48:14 PM

Hmmm I probably would have done that.

Yeah. Feels like a reasonable gamble.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:54:11 PM

That's insane.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
TOPI!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:58:20 PM

Guess how big he is lol
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 02:00:06 PM
HAHAHAHAHA

Are we happy with this?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
Height 5.11 -- Weight 156  Dubas straight up trolling now
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
HAHAHAHAHA

Are we happy with this?

LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:01:41 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:03:41 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
HAHAHAHAHA

Are we happy with this?

LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.

I talked about wanting him a couple months ago and I?m an excessive tmlfans poster

Finnish RD Sandin with more D and less O
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 02:10:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHA

Are we happy with this?

LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.

I already got off the phone with Kyle.  We are going to start a new offseason training program.  All of our players will be taking Weight Gain 4000. BEEFCAKE.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: lamajama on October 07, 2020, 02:19:05 PM

Hmmm I probably would have done that.

Yeah. Feels like a reasonable gamble.

You guys are ON FIRE  ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 02:19:12 PM
I read on PPP that one of the guys thought that Topi could possibly be a 1st round pick but would be a steal in the 2nd.  Great reports on him. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 02:22:25 PM
HAHAHAHAHA

Are we happy with this?

LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.

I already got off the phone with Kyle.  We are going to start a new offseason training program.  All of our players will be taking Weight Gain 4000. BEEFCAKE.

Steroids.  It's working for Trump, he's bodyslamming Covid donchaknow.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:22:31 PM

Calgary got this pick from trading down a bit in the first round. To still get the guy they probably wanted in the 1st round (Zary) and him is some pretty good work.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 02:25:00 PM
I thought Bob retired?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:26:36 PM
I thought Bob retired?

Semi-retired.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
I thought Bob retired?

Semi-retired. They still wheel him out for the big stuff. He was actually on NBC's draft show last night.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:28:09 PM
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17

Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.

Yay!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:30:41 PM
Yes, but Seth Jarvis for Patrick Marleau and Jean-Luc Foudy for Tyson Barrie is blah :)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:35:16 PM
Yes, but Seth Jarvis for Patrick Marleau and Jean-Luc Foudy for Tyson Barrie is blah :)

Ah yeah that Jarvis pick could sting. Stupid Carolina. We already gifted them Aho.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 02:35:47 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?

They're gonna still be drafting by this time next year.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 02:36:09 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?
make it 3 or 4 hours lol
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:36:43 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
5 goalies picked now, still no Daws.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 02:41:08 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?

We don't draft until for another 20 picks.  That's at least another 4 hours away.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:42:18 PM
Starting to speed up a little now. Not a ton, just a little.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 02:42:47 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:43:26 PM
5 goalies picked now, still no Daws.

I think he'll go in the later rounds, but it actually wouldn't shock me if he goes undrafted, all things considered.

EDIT: Of course, the Devils have to go and do that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:46:03 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.

Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:46:47 PM
So y'all got time to watch some Scouching, or read some MLHS scouting profiles
Rodion Amirov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKf_pni8vus) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/rodion-amirov-selected-15th-overall-by-the-toronto-maple-leafs/)
Roni Hirvonen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKgl-3u1lM) |  Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-roni-hirvonen-with-the-59th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Topi Niemela (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-topi-niemela-with-the-64th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Andy on October 07, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
I'd like to comment on the picks but last time I did I was praising them for taking Gauthier at 21.
I do usually like Pronman though so good to see his praises.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:48:59 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.

Question marks about his defense?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.

Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.

Is it though? It feels like every year there's a high scoring defenseman who drops like this because scouts in the 2nd round want a Luke Schenn safe-type of defensive defenseman and guys like Girard and Kylington drop and then they're in the NHL two years later.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Andy on October 07, 2020, 02:54:51 PM
Daws goes to NJ at 84
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:56:24 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.

Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.

Is it though? It feels like every year there's a high scoring defenseman who drops like this because scouts in the 2nd round want a Luke Schenn safe-type of defensive defenseman and guys like Girard and Kylington drop and then they're in the NHL two years later.

Even in those cases they only dropped to the 2nd round, but I guess there isn't much of a difference there. Girard also had size issues while Kylington playing in Sweden may have hurt him. Poirier's got pretty good size and point up a ton of points in the CHL.

But yeah I shouldn't be that surprised to see GMs pass on his style of play. I guess we'll have to check back on him vs. Topi in a few years.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:00:12 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.

Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.

Is it though? It feels like every year there's a high scoring defenseman who drops like this because scouts in the 2nd round want a Luke Schenn safe-type of defensive defenseman and guys like Girard and Kylington drop and then they're in the NHL two years later.

Even in those cases they only dropped to the 2nd round, but I guess there isn't much of a difference there. Girard also had size issues while Kylington playing in Sweden may have hurt him. Poirier's got pretty good size and point up a ton of points in the CHL.

But yeah I shouldn't be that surprised to see GMs pass on his style of play. I guess we'll have to check back on him vs. Topi in a few years.

It'll be the new Korshkov vs. ? comparison.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
I don't know. This feels like yet another year where Dubas is trying to outsmart the draft and I'm coming away from it with a similar feeling to what I've had in prior years.

I'd genuinely love for Dubas to shut me up with all the really good pros his drafts are producing but, well, you all see what the system looks like.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:08:56 PM
I don't know. This feels like yet another year where Dubas is trying to outsmart the draft and I'm coming away from it with a similar feeling to what I've had in prior years.

I'd genuinely love for Dubas to shut me up with all the really good pros his drafts are producing but, well, you all see what the system looks like.

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and only count the 2018 draft and onward as truly Dubas' drafts as he was clearly voted down on a few picks so I'm only going to hold him to what he has done.  It really only gives him two years where he ran the show so far and there are some interesting players in the system but its way too early to say one way or the other on some of these guys.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: cabber24 on October 07, 2020, 03:10:07 PM
After 64 picks the Leafs have drafted 3 of the 6 players 167 lbs or lighter.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:12:39 PM
I don't know. This feels like yet another year where Dubas is trying to outsmart the draft and I'm coming away from it with a similar feeling to what I've had in prior years.

I'd genuinely love for Dubas to shut me up with all the really good pros his drafts are producing but, well, you all see what the system looks like.

I'm liking the look of his '19 draft a lot more than the '18. He obviously nailed his 1st picks in both, but I think Abramov and Abruzzese are the best of the bunch after that.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Anton Johannesson pls
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 03:13:49 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.

I'm rooting for him
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and only count the 2018 draft and onward as truly Dubas' drafts as he was clearly voted down on a few picks so I'm only going to hold him to what he has done.  It really only gives him two years where he ran the show so far and there are some interesting players in the system but its way too early to say one way or the other on some of these guys.

I mean, there are some people who try and give Dubas credit for every good pick the team made going back to William Nylander so I'm not sure the "You can only judge him since 2018" thing entirely works for me but either way I just personally haven't walked away from any of this team's drafts since he's been with the team thinking "Man, we really did that one."

Now, I'm no draft expert and I always can be proven wrong but that's just my feelings on things and, you know, not proven wrong yet.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 03:23:50 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.

I'm rooting for him

He's a good story, too. I just love that his name is basically Grampa Wisdom.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
I mean, there are some people who try and give Dubas credit for every good pick the team made going back to William Nylander so I'm not sure the "You can only judge him since 2018" thing entirely works for me but either way I just personally haven't walked away from any of this team's drafts since he's been with the team thinking "Man, we really did that one."

Now, I'm no draft expert and I always can be proven wrong but that's just my feelings on things and, you know, not proven wrong yet.

I mean I get what you're saying with the Dubas thing and I'm sure I've been guilty of that myself, but I feel like it's basically been established through the media that the 2015 draft was a dual effort between Hunter and Dubas, then the 2016 and 2017 drafts Lou gave Hunter full control, and then obviously from 2018 and on it was Dubas and his guys. I don't think that's really a controversial take on how things went down.

That does mean you can probably blame Dubas on the Leafs passing on Konecny and ending up with Dermott/Bracco instead. edit: and also Dermott over Aho possibly.

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:31:27 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:32:47 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?

I mean I'd expect as much from a 29 year old.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:33:54 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?

Well, he's 37 years old now, so it's even more impressive to me.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:34:27 PM
Damn it, Carlton!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?

I mean I'd expect as much from a 29 year old.

At his current 1 GPG pace, 86 more games and he catches up to DiBrinicat's 87 goals.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 03:34:56 PM
I thought Bob retired?

Semi-retired. They still wheel him out for the big stuff. He was actually on NBC's draft show last night.
Great, thanks busta & CTB.  Bob's a bright spot in the punditosphere.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?

Seriously though. As soon as some of our picks turn into really high contributing NHLers I will be the happiest guy to say I was wrong.

Just for all the talk about what's been added to the organization over the last five years in the way of scouting/analytic information, I think the team's record is sort of bad considering. Now, maybe it's unfair of me to put that on Dubas vs. Shanahan but I do think we're still staring into the teeth of the hard reality on the ground.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:36:41 PM
Damn it, Carlton!

You get slower as you enter middle age. Except for Korshkov, apparently.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 03:39:27 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.

I'm rooting for him

Is that a dental joke? 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:41:55 PM

A Russian goalie! Just like what we all wanted!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 03:42:08 PM
Artur Akhtyamov: who dis
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 07, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.

I'm rooting for him

Is that a dental joke?


Woah, woah, woah.  Nobody has been proven to be an anti-dentite here.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 07, 2020, 03:43:18 PM
Artur Akhtyamov: who dis

!Yaroslav_Askarov
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 03:43:27 PM
I heard he was 2nd line for the Tretiak comparison.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:45:13 PM

Topi read Toronto's wikipedia entry before his media call.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:45:49 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?

Seriously though. As soon as some of our picks turn into really high contributing NHLers I will be the happiest guy to say I was wrong.

Just for all the talk about what's been added to the organization over the last five years in the way of scouting/analytic information, I think the team's record is sort of bad considering. Now, maybe it's unfair of me to put that on Dubas vs. Shanahan but I do think we're still staring into the teeth of the hard reality on the ground.

That's absolutely fair.  We have been pretty good with our first round picks and really don't have a lot to show outside of the first round.  That doesn't speak super highly to our scouting team.  We have no cap space and need to have a steady stream of guys coming in and thus far the Leafs over the last few years just haven't found guys to step in to those roles.   Maybe some of the picks from the last 2-3 years pull forward but results are going to have to come soon to help the roster.

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:51:51 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.

Dan Milstein.  What do I win?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
Glad it wasn't Harvey Weinstein.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
                         0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games

Yarosalv Askarov 2.37 GAA .921 SV% in 31 MHL games
                          2.46 GAA .918 SV% in 20 VHL games

Clearly we got the better goaltending prospect
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
                         0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games

Yarosalv Askarov 2.37 GAA .921 SV% in 31 MHL games
                          2.46 GAA .918 SV% in 20 VHL games

Clearly we got the better goaltending prospect

I'm not gonna lie, this is kind of intriguing.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 03:55:15 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
                         0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games

Yarosalv Askarov 2.37 GAA .921 SV% in 31 MHL games
                          2.46 GAA .918 SV% in 20 VHL games

Clearly we got the better goaltending prospect

I'm not gonna lie, this is kind of intriguing.
Tretiak would approve this message.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:57:52 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.

Dan Milstein.  What do I win?

A piece of paper that says "good job" on it. I just threw it outside I'm sure the wind will carry it to you soon.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:58:47 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.

Dan Milstein.  What do I win?

Maybe it's actually Darren Ferris
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 04:00:28 PM

In terms of the vaguely Jewish names of the night, Zion Nybeck, just picked by Carolina, is a strong showing. Especially as he's 5'6, 182.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:03:33 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
                         0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games

His MHL numbers are very good. Better than Samsonov and Sorokin at the same ages. Not quite as good as Shesterkin though. Russian goalies are weird but if you draft one a year for awhile one is bound to turn out good.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:05:09 PM

In terms of the vaguely Jewish names of the night, Zion Nybeck, just picked by Carolina, is a strong showing. Especially as he's 5'6, 182.

That's like my H/W ratio (pear shaped)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:08:57 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
                         0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games

His MHL numbers are very good. Better than Samsonov and Sorokin at the same ages. Not quite as good as Shesterkin though. Russian goalies are weird but if you draft one a year for awhile one is bound to turn out good.

He's stuck behind Timur Bilyalov starting for Ak Bars Kazan.  There were reports of the Leafs interested in looking at him as an undrafted free agent goalie (had a 1.45 GAA .943 SV% last year). 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:11:13 PM
ANTON TIME?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:12:23 PM
OKAY William Villeneuve instead
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
William Villeneuve at 175 pounds 6'1

We drafted a giant
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.

Actually Poirier's teammate too.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
Multiple reports I read talk about him being under-rated, overlooked, etc. Needs to work on his skating, but, otherwise, seems like a solid pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Pronman had him ranked 79th. Went 122nd.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.

Actually Poirier's teammate too.

I wonder why Future Considerations has him ranked 50 while everyone else is in the 100s
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:17:58 PM
Villeneuve was the 2nd overall pick in the 2018 QMJHL draft behind Hendrix Lapierre
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2020, 04:18:38 PM
(https://townsquare.media/site/554/files/2014/01/peller-poster.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:18:45 PM
1 pick in Rd 5
3 picks in Rd 6
3 picks in Rd 7
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.

Actually Poirier's teammate too.

I wonder why Future Considerations has him ranked 50 while everyone else is in the 100s

I'm actually confused as to how differently him and Poirier were rated. Villeneuve outscored him on the same team (V had a lot more assists, P had a lot more goals) and he's just based on some quick reads he actually has a defensive game as well which Poirier apparently does not.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
William Villeneuve at 175 pounds 6'1

We drafted a giant
Does he come with his own beanstalk?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:20:23 PM
William Villeneuve at 175 pounds 6'1

We drafted a giant

Must be a Hunter pick.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:23:06 PM
I'm actually confused as to how differently him and Poirier were rated. Villeneuve outscored him on the same team (V had a lot more assists, P had a lot more goals) and he's just based on some quick reads he actually has a defensive game as well which Poirier apparently does not.

Not knowing anything about him yet... usually good pairings have one guy stirring the drink

https://www.draftgeek.ca/2020/04/28/william-villeneuve-could-turn-out-to-be-one-of-the-nhl-drafts-top-blueliners/
Quote
His intelligent decision-making and knack for finding space in transition earned him a comparison to Kris Letang by his midget coach, none other than former Toronto Maple Leafs goaltender Felix Potvin, going into that draft.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 04:25:01 PM
That is high praise from Felix.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:25:15 PM
I thought I recognized the name from somewhere...
Quote
Jeremie Poirier and William Villeneuve
Poirier and Villeneuve, frequent D partners on the Saint John Sea Dogs, are two of the highest-scoring defensemen in the QMJHL. But only one of them should realistically play the position at the pro level.

The right-handed Villeneuve (SNB13) moves well in all directions and is adept at facilitating transition plays. Meanwhile the lefty Poirier (SNB54) prefers to create entries himself and is a shoot-first player in the offensive zone.


In all three zones Villeneuve, though raw and error-prone for now, does the types of things NHL teams look for among their Ds.

In addition to being able to neutralize plays with his positioning, he habitually shoulder-checks to scan the ice for threats and opportunities, an underrated but essential skill for an aspiring NHL blueliner.

Conversely Poirier does not have the defensive skating or scanning habits his partner possesses. He is at his best carrying the puck, leading the rush and shooting from the high slot.

Poirier also has the bad habit of exposing the puck by carrying it in front of him rather than keeping it in his hip pocket - a much smaller problem if he were a dump-and-chase LW rather than a puck-moving D at the pro level.

And thus continues Dubas' quest to collect all the Dermott/Sandin clones of agile play-facilitating (and rush-killing) defensemen.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:26:09 PM
While knowing absolutely nothing about his actual game to game play and accepting that scouting reports usually glow radioactive this time of year, I'm liking a lot of what I just read about Villeneuve. 
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
Wheeler had Villeneuve 38th.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 04:28:05 PM
https://www.draftgeek.ca/2020/04/28/william-villeneuve-could-turn-out-to-be-one-of-the-nhl-drafts-top-blueliners/
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
Side note: the pick used to grab Villeneuve was acquired from Vegas when we took Clarkson off their hands.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
So the first round seemed pretty par for the course sans Columbus but this is turning into an interesting draft
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:38:13 PM
Bring me Anton Johannesson
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
The Leafs still have 7 picks left. Crazy. Last year they made just 6 selections.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Rodion Amirov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKf_pni8vus) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/rodion-amirov-selected-15th-overall-by-the-toronto-maple-leafs/)
Roni Hirvonen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKgl-3u1lM) |  Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-roni-hirvonen-with-the-59th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Topi Niemela (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-topi-niemela-with-the-64th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)

Artur Akhtyamov | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-artur-akhtyamov-with-the-106th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
William Villenueve | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-william-villeneuve-with-the-122nd-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:45:57 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOH well
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOH well

At least it wasn't Carolina.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
Martin Chromiak dropping to the 128 (5th round)

Ranked #83 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #59 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #41 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #44 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #30 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #78 by DOBBERPROSPECTS/ROBINSON
Ranked #75 by TSN/McKenzie
Ranked #60 by Pronman
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects

Find out who the next best available Russian is:

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:57:46 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOH well

At least it wasn't Carolina.

Canes, Kings, and Wild *shakes fist*
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:58:44 PM
Trade up?!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
Please be Russian

Haha yup
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 05:02:55 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects

Find out who the next best available Russian is:


Is there a bulk discount?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 05:05:58 PM
Surprisingly there is a Scouching video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmr0SiXKJnk
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 05:07:52 PM
Trade up?!

Is this the first time Dubas has traded up?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
I liked the Amirov pick, thought the next two were fine, but have really liked the 4th and 5th rounders so far (as much as one can like a 4th or 5th rounder I suppose).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
Milstein hasn't tweeted about the Ovchi pick yet... did the Leafs cheat on him?!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
I liked the Amirov pick, thought the next two were fine, but have really liked the 4th and 5th rounders so far (as much as one can like a 4th or 5th rounder I suppose).
I like the picks. I think we may have a few gems in there just like last year. Time will tell.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Mr. Leaf on October 07, 2020, 05:55:59 PM
Surprisingly there is a Scouching video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmr0SiXKJnk
That makes me a little excited to see what Ovchinnikov can turn into!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on October 07, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects

Find out who the next best available Russian is:


Is there a bulk discount?

The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 05:58:25 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects

Find out who the next best available Russian is:


Is there a bulk discount?

The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)
They've got Mikheyev and Barabanov!
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:02:07 PM
Veeti Miettinen
5'9 159 lbs
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:03:55 PM
The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)
Nik Antropov has been interpreting the Zoom meet and greets
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 06:06:57 PM
The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)
Nik Antropov has been interpreting the Zoom meet and greets

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:14:23 PM
Axel Rindell
6'0 176lbs 20 year old Finnish defenseman
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs

Youngest kid in the draft - Sept 15, 2002
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 06:15:56 PM
I wonder if the Leafs are thinking that local kids this year might be at a disadvantage as most leagues aren't playing.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:25:44 PM
Xavier Simoneau time?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 06:29:33 PM
I wonder if the Leafs are thinking that local kids this year might be at a disadvantage as most leagues aren't playing.
You might be on to something here.. That could be but I'm pretty sure the Leafs would bring them in for development training.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:30:55 PM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs

Absolutely the youngest possible player
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:32:23 PM
Chris Draper drafts his kid.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
189 - John Fusco 19 year old US LHD - 5'11" 181 lbs

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 06:45:54 PM
Was super busy with work today how many picks did the Leafs end up making?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
We got a Wyatt
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
Wyatt Schingoethe - 195 - 5'11" 190lbs left handed C from the US
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs

Absolutely the youngest possible player

There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
Completely off topic.  I'm looking at the KHL stats and Pavel Datsyuk has 14 points in 13 games.   He's 42.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 07:17:57 PM
Leafs adding one more dude as they got pick 213 from Boston
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 07:19:29 PM

They certainly stocked the cupboards today. Hopefully, there?s some gems in there.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 07:31:36 PM
Goodbye 2021 7th.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 07:41:24 PM
Montreal went with:
Tuch
Mysak

I am lol

So I was reading Tuch as Touch, but it?s really Tuck
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 07, 2020, 07:43:04 PM
Montreal went with:
Tuch
Mysak

I am lol

So I was reading Tuch as Touch, but it?s really Tuck

Still works.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
Catching up on the picks I missed since the 5th round.

Small guy
Small guy
Literal child
Small guy
Small guy with a big ass probably
Small guy

Dubas you rascal.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: lamajama on October 07, 2020, 08:49:35 PM
Catching up on the picks I missed since the 5th round.

Small guy
Small guy
Literal child
Small guy
Small guy with a big ass probably
Small guy

Dubas you rascal.

Kyle had better hope for some huge growth spurts. I?m gett8ng pretty annoyed at all the smurfs..
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: dintymoore on October 07, 2020, 09:03:49 PM
Catching up on the picks I missed since the 5th round.

Small guy
Small guy
Literal child
Small guy
Small guy with a big ass probably
Small guy

Dubas you rascal.


Dreams of a Quentin Byfield in blue & white
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
RoundPickPlayer NamePositionDraft YearHeightWeightLeague
115Rodion AmirovRW2020 (D-0)6'1"182 lbsKHL
259Roni HirvonenC2020 (D-0)5'9"170 lbsLiiga
364Topi NiemelaRD2020 (D-0)6'0"163 lbsLiiga
4106Artur AkhtyamovG2020 (D-0)6'2"170 lbsMHL
4122William VilleneuveRD2020 (D-0)6'1"181 lbsQMJHL
5137Dmitri OvchinnikovL/C/R2020 (D-0)5'11"163 lbsKHL
6168Veeti MiettinenRW2020 (D-0)5'9"159 lbsFinnish Jr.
6177Axel RindellRD2018 (D+2)6'0"176 lbsLiiga
6180Joe MillerC/RW2020 (D-0)5'9"146 lbsUSHS
7189John FuscoRD2019 (D+1)5'11"181 lbsUSHS
7195Wyatt SchingoetheC2020 (D-0)5'11"201 lbsUSHL
7213Ryan TverbergC2020 (D-0)5'11"174 lbsOJHL

Added this table to the OP. Wyatt definitely got the booty.

I wasn't sure about Fusco and Tverberg's originating league. They committed to NCAA programs for this season, but are coming out of USHS and OJHL respectively. Either way, there is lots of runway for every pick except Villeneuve (CHL agreement) before they need an ELC tendered or we lose their rights. 7 of our picks are actively playing right now (KHL, Liiga) and the KHL kids are getting more of an opportunity than usual because of the periodic sweeps of COVID exposure that pushes vets into quarantine.

Height and weight measurements might be out of date as there was no draft combine this year. Also, 18 year olds continue to grow into the early 20s. Smaller players excelling currently have room to get even better as they add reach and strength. Players that start big and have that advantage in junior leagues potentially don't translate their skills when everyone else is the same size.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
Definitely a curious draft. Very interested in the Russian goalie, wonder if he's our dark horse of the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
Definitely a curious draft. Very interested in the Russian goalie, wonder if he's our dark horse of the draft.

I'm trying not to put too much stock into MHL save numbers. Apparently everyone there likes to shoot Tyson Barrie style.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 08, 2020, 06:34:38 AM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs

Absolutely the youngest possible player

There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.

Byfield is almost a full year younger than Lafreniere
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Zee on October 08, 2020, 07:37:55 AM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs

Absolutely the youngest possible player

There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.

Byfield is almost a full year younger than Lafreniere
I really think Byfield is gonna be a beast. Great luck for LA
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 08, 2020, 09:04:07 AM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs

Absolutely the youngest possible player

There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.

Byfield is almost a full year younger than Lafreniere
I really think Byfield is gonna be a beast. Great luck for LA

I think his invisible World Juniors hurt his stock. But that can also be attributed to his age.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
I was looking through how some other teams drafted and noticed that Boston only had 4 picks this year. No 1st rounder either.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
I was looking through how some other teams drafted and noticed that Boston only had 4 picks this year. No 1st rounder either.

I was following the TSN draft tracker and there was a Boston slot that went unfilled and I don?t know what happened.

Edit: looks like a programming issue with pick 151 Mason Langenbrunner (any relation?)
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Deebo on October 08, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
I was looking through how some other teams drafted and noticed that Boston only had 4 picks this year. No 1st rounder either.

I was following the TSN draft tracker and there was a Boston slot that went unfilled and I don?t know what happened.

Edit: looks like a programming issue with pick 151 Mason Langenbrunner (any relation?)

Yes, they showed a bunch of drafted players who have relatives who were in the league at some point. Langenbrunner was one of them.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 10:47:30 AM

Hmmm maybe Dubas did draft somebody with some snarl after all...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 08, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Nothing like having a Goalie as your top thug.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 11:58:03 AM
Joe Miller looks fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSl_SkTibn0

From: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2020/10/8/21506109/toronto-maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-picks-thoughts-rodion-amirov-roni-hirvonen-topi-niemela
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 12:02:36 PM

Consider this an 8th round pick. If you're wondering what his size is, why?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 08, 2020, 12:17:22 PM
Some math, a lot of kids at 18 have a chance to grow at least an inch or two.  So the Leafs have 4 picks at 5'11" (not much short of 6'), 2 picks at 6',  1 pick at 6'1" and 1 pick at 6'2"
Good chance that 8 of these picks end up at 6 feet or taller.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 08, 2020, 12:35:09 PM
Some math, a lot of kids at 18 have a chance to grow at least an inch or two.  So the Leafs have 4 picks at 5'11" (not much short of 6'), 2 picks at 6',  1 pick at 6'1" and 1 pick at 6'2"
Good chance that 8 of these picks end up at 6 feet or taller.
But they weigh nothing and will never put on weight..enter sarcasm
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 12:39:48 PM

Amirov with the shootout winner for his team today. No points but he did play 20+ minutes (his team might be missing some regulars).
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 01:06:48 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 01:22:51 PM

I did not understand how that went in.
Now I understand.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 08, 2020, 01:46:00 PM
Some math, a lot of kids at 18 have a chance to grow at least an inch or two.  So the Leafs have 4 picks at 5'11" (not much short of 6'), 2 picks at 6',  1 pick at 6'1" and 1 pick at 6'2"
Good chance that 8 of these picks end up at 6 feet or taller.
But they weigh nothing and will never put on weight..enter sarcasm
Just tiny people in a big land, scary actually.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 03:50:18 PM

Is their team sponsored by Steamwhistle?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Andy on October 08, 2020, 04:29:26 PM
Nice write up of the draft from Dobber Prospects:

https://dobberprospects.com/2020/10/08/nhl-draft-podium-worthy-draft-classes/ (https://dobberprospects.com/2020/10/08/nhl-draft-podium-worthy-draft-classes/)

Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: RedLeaf on October 08, 2020, 05:30:44 PM

Is their team sponsored by Steamwhistle?

My kind of team!  :o
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 02:05:38 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Arn on October 10, 2020, 02:19:12 PM

If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?

I wouldn't get too carried away. He's still probably the #3 goalie in that organization. Their regular back-up probably got injured/sick hence the call-up.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 02:26:34 PM
If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?

I wouldn't get too carried away. He's still probably the #3 goalie in that organization. Their regular back-up probably got injured/sick hence the call-up.

...kidnapped by government agents...
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Highlander on October 10, 2020, 06:06:32 PM
If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?

I wouldn't get too carried away. He's still probably the #3 goalie in that organization. Their regular back-up probably got injured/sick hence the call-up.

...kidnapped by government agents...
tortured and gassed, made to watch old Red Army highlights
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 15, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on October 16, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?

That was my thought too. When Bettman said the pick wasn't in I was expecting a trade.

FWIW I was catching up on my Puck Soup listening the other night and Sean McIndoe, who I'm inclined to believe on such things, just flat out said the Leafs were trying to trade down.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 19, 2020, 06:13:27 PM
Mall cop Rielly never fails to make me laugh
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on October 23, 2020, 05:00:44 PM
Scouching recap and review (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YfTLrdHY4i4) of the Leafs 2020 draft
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on December 01, 2020, 09:08:48 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: Nik on December 01, 2020, 09:35:13 PM

Herman, I promise you that if and when Dubas' Leafs team have any NHL success of a meaningful level, people will acknowledge it.
Title: Re: 2020 NHL Draft
Post by: herman on December 01, 2020, 10:02:17 PM

Herman, I promise you that if and when Dubas' Leafs team have any NHL success of a meaningful level, people will acknowledge it.

I?m just bored.