Post by: herman on May 07, 2020, 12:32:40 PM
| Round | Pick | Player Name | Position | Draft Year | Height | Weight | League | |||||||
| 1 | 15 | Rodion Amirov | RW | 2020 (D-0) | 6'1" | 182 lbs | KHL | |||||||
| 2 | 59 | Roni Hirvonen | C | 2020 (D-0) | 5'9" | 170 lbs | Liiga | |||||||
| 3 | 64 | Topi Niemela | RD | 2020 (D-0) | 6'0" | 163 lbs | Liiga | |||||||
| 4 | 106 | Artur Akhtyamov | G | 2020 (D-0) | 6'2" | 170 lbs | MHL | |||||||
| 4 | 122 | William Villeneuve | RD | 2020 (D-0) | 6'1" | 181 lbs | QMJHL | |||||||
| 5 | 137 | Dmitri Ovchinnikov | L/C/R | 2020 (D-0) | 5'11" | 163 lbs | KHL | |||||||
| 6 | 168 | Veeti Miettinen | RW | 2020 (D-0) | 5'9" | 159 lbs | Finnish Jr. | |||||||
| 6 | 177 | Axel Rindell | RD | 2018 (D+2) | 6'0" | 176 lbs | Liiga | |||||||
| 6 | 180 | Joe Miller | C/RW | 2020 (D-0) | 5'9" | 146 lbs | USHS | |||||||
| 7 | 189 | John Fusco | RD | 2019 (D+1) | 5'11" | 181 lbs | USHS | |||||||
| 7 | 195 | Wyatt Schingoethe | C | 2020 (D-0) | 5'11" | 201 lbs | USHL | |||||||
| 7 | 213 | Ryan Tverberg | C | 2020 (D-0) | 5'11" | 174 lbs | OJHL |
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Might as well!
This thread is a good start to acquaint oneself with players that aren't Lafrenierre and Byfield
Today I finished up a 6 part series for @PPPLeafs looking at #nhldraft2020 eligible players. I've never written anything like this before, either in topic or in sheer work required.
— Nicholas RobertSTAN (@brigstew86) May 7, 2020
Here is a thread of every article and a thanks to the people that helped me write them!
Post by: Bender on May 07, 2020, 01:05:20 PM
Might as well!Welp... We don't have a pick so should we care? Lol
This thread is a good start to acquaint oneself with players that aren't Lafrenierre and ByfieldToday I finished up a 6 part series for @PPPLeafs looking at #nhldraft2020 eligible players. I've never written anything like this before, either in topic or in sheer work required.
— Nicholas RobertSTAN (@brigstew86) May 7, 2020
Here is a thread of every article and a thanks to the people that helped me write them!
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 07, 2020, 01:44:54 PM
Welp... We don't have a pick so should we care? Lol
You're not excited to see what our 7 late round picks turn up?
Post by: herman on May 07, 2020, 03:37:34 PM
Centres
Colby Ambrosio
Jaromir Pytlik
Wingers
Yegor Sokolov
Ben McCartney
Brett Berard
Alex Laferriere
Zayde Wisdom
Defense
Alex Cotton
Yan Kuznetsov
William Villaneuve
Goalies
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 04:31:50 PM
These are so weird"Our psychologist said, 'Don't draft him. He's going to be a mass murderer.' "
— The Hockey News (@TheHockeyNews) May 27, 2020
"The kid controlled the room like Hannibal Lecter."
Hair-raising prospect interviews are one example of the crazy tales scouts tell about their jobs. @THNMattLarkin's story:https://t.co/AdevL2huRs
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 27, 2020, 04:37:52 PM
For the record, the guy who took a #2 on his girlfriends car was Kevin Hayes.
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 04:43:27 PM
Articles like this bug me. Name the players or this just sounds like fiction!
For the record, the guy who took a #2 on his girlfriends car was Kevin Hayes.
I'm curious about the guy who went to team video analysis meetings in the nude.
Post by: Dappleganger on May 27, 2020, 05:00:21 PM
Articles like this bug me. Name the players or this just sounds like fiction!
For the record, the guy who took a #2 on his girlfriends car was Kevin Hayes.
I'm curious about the guy who went to team video analysis meetings in the nude.
In my defence, they did tell me a suit was optional.
Post by: herman on May 28, 2020, 12:06:42 PM
New Post: Understanding the Four Levels of Scouting, an important mental model, and their implications. (Thanks to @ByronMBader for his viz tool)https://t.co/AXPwJ6mjwi
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) May 27, 2020
Quote
My biggest takeaway working with elite coaches such as Darryl Belfry and Adam Nicholas (StrideEnvy) is that player development cannot be disassociated from scouting.
Players with solid junior production sometimes don’t translate because of technical weaknesses never addressed by the teams that draft them.
Players who score in minor pro sometimes can’t crack an NHL roster because their patterns of play are easily neutralized by high-level defenders.
Players with modest production in lower league occasionally play better against tougher competition because of their ability to leverage stronger linemates.
Happens all the time.
WOW Just throwing bombs at Edmonton and Buffalo sheesh
Post by: herman on May 30, 2020, 10:28:24 AM
You will not believe who comes in at the top of the list of teams
Post by: Bender on May 30, 2020, 02:19:27 PM
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You will not believe who comes in at the top of the list of teams
That actually is kind of surprising.
Post by: Deebo on May 31, 2020, 09:52:03 AM
Boyes, Kadri and Steen were the only forwards who averaged over .5 PPG in their career.
Gunnarsson was the only real top 4D.
Rask was the only quality starter and then there was Reimer.
To make things worse, only Kadri and Reimer of those that had their best years with the Leafs and got nothing notable in return for the rest. Although they were able to turn Schenn into JVR
Basically, 10 years of drafting got them Kadri & JVR as top 6 forwards, fringe starter Reimer, and a bunch of nothing. The team results have reflected that.
Post by: Nik on May 31, 2020, 05:12:03 PM
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Please remember that this analysis focused purely on finding NHL players. The quality of the players was not taken into consideration at all, so a player who plays 100 NHL games on the fourth line is worth the same as a Hall of Fame player.
This is from the article. I appreciate that he's upfront about it but it feels like maybe it also warrants a mention that Detroit and Toronto were, by the mid point of the decade, also two fairly old teams that probably had more opportunities for fringe NHLers from the draft than other teams.
Post by: herman on May 31, 2020, 07:58:51 PM
Post by: Hobbes on June 01, 2020, 09:30:55 AM
Gunnarsson was the only real top 4D.Think a case could be made for Stralman too.
Post by: bustaheims on June 01, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
The lack of high level talent is disappointing, yeah, but the Leafs still produced a solid number of guys that had legit NHL careers.
Post by: Deebo on June 01, 2020, 04:46:12 PM
Gunnarsson was the only real top 4D.Think a case could be made for Stralman too.
Yeah, missed him.
Post by: Bender on June 02, 2020, 08:25:13 AM
Not many stars in the bunch, sure, but 16 guys who played 400+ games in the NHL. That's not exactly just a bunch of fringe players - those are legit NHL players. 8 players drafted in the 5th round or later played 250+ games, which is an excellent return on late round picks.That we promptly traded away
The lack of high level talent is disappointing, yeah, but the Leafs still produced a solid number of guys that had legit NHL careers.
(I will never get over the Steen trade).
Post by: bustaheims on June 02, 2020, 09:11:48 AM
That we promptly traded away
Yeah, that part's not great, but, at least the amateur scouts were doing their jobs relatively well. The pro scouts and the GMs, however....
Post by: herman on June 22, 2020, 01:58:15 PM
Post by: Frank E on June 22, 2020, 02:13:20 PM
Post by: herman on June 26, 2020, 09:48:08 AM
New Post: A development plan for Quinton Byfield (with video from @InStatHockey and perspective from @Hockey_Robinson)https://t.co/ool05akiH3
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) June 26, 2020
So he’s dropping to the Leafs, right
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 10:01:20 AM
Post by: bustaheims on June 26, 2020, 10:24:12 AM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.
There's a part of me that wants as-of-yet unidentified teams to win all the possible lotteries.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 10:39:11 AM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.
There's a part of me that wants as-of-yet unidentified teams to win all the possible lotteries.
If it ends up being like Arizona, Carolina, and Minnesota I'll love the pure chaos idea of it. If it's Chicago/Edmonton, Montreal/Pittsburgh, and NYI/Florida I'll regret cheering for it.
Post by: bustaheims on June 26, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Really rooting for "mystery team" to win big at the lottery tonight.
Look at you, predicting the future.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 08:26:48 PM
Post by: lamajama on June 26, 2020, 08:26:53 PM
Post by: bustaheims on June 26, 2020, 08:27:24 PM
Amazing. Did anyone catch what the odds were of that happening?
About 1 in 4.
The play-in losers collectively have 24.5 percent odds to win tonight's lottery.
— Arpon Basu (@ArponBasu) June 26, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 08:28:37 PM
Post by: Zee on June 26, 2020, 08:37:01 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 08:49:22 PM
Post by: herman on June 26, 2020, 10:15:55 PM
If the 2019-20 Return to Play does not occur for any reason, the teams with the 8th to 15th lowest points percentage at the pause would equal shots (12.5 per cent) at getting the No. 1 overall pick. Keep in mind, though, not all those teams may not own their first-round pick.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) June 27, 2020
Post by: Nik on June 26, 2020, 10:19:23 PM
The "This proves the draft lottery is rigged!" takes popping up on Twitter are pretty special. The League clearly rigged things so Lafreniere wouldn't go to LA or an original 6 team like Detroit, no, they rigged it so they have no idea where he ends up so that people will watch a second draft lottery.
I think I know why some people still won't wear masks.
Post by: herman on June 26, 2020, 10:30:40 PM
Instead of Lafreniere, it’ll be two of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Rossi/Drysdale and someone like Wallinder/O’Rourke/Niemela
Post by: Nik on June 26, 2020, 10:34:08 PM
If the RTP happens and the Leafs wind up with the first overall, would you trade down with Ottawa for 3+5 and their 2nd?
Instead of Lafreniere, it’ll be two of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Rossi/Drysdale and someone like Wallinder/O’Rourke/Niemela
No. I'd trade the pick out of the division for good, young NHL-ready assets.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 26, 2020, 10:38:01 PM
If the RTP happens and the Leafs wind up with the first overall, would you trade down with Ottawa for 3+5 and their 2nd?
Instead of Lafreniere, it’ll be two of Byfield/Stutzle/Raymond/Rossi/Drysdale and someone like Wallinder/O’Rourke/Niemela
No. I'd trade the pick out of the division for good, young NHL-ready assets.
The tricky part with that would be finding those assets while still managing the cap. Especially since there's a good chance it'll essentially be flat for the next 3 seasons. I think I might be tempted to keep Lafreniere and try to make the most out of his ELC years.
Post by: disco on June 27, 2020, 12:21:09 AM
Detroit was on pace for just 45 points this season, easily the worst in the shootout era of hockey (Colorado's 48 points in 16/17 was the next lowest). Their level of crappiness really didn't seem to get talked about enough. And for that they get the 4th overall pick.
Yeah, an absolute breath-taking tank-job should garner you at least top-3. Luck-o-the-draw. Oilers and Devils have done much better with those ping-pong balls. Leafs even.
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2020, 12:45:06 AM
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2020, 12:55:23 AM
Post by: Frank E on June 27, 2020, 09:49:05 AM
Senators fans are.... not taking this well.
After they pick Byfield, we'll all be hearing about how he's better than Matthews for the next 3 years...at which point he'll demand a trade, and then he'll be overrated garbage according to those same fans.
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 10:01:01 AM
I think I might be tempted to keep Lafreniere and try to make the most out of his ELC years.
x2. Leafs could always trade someone else in the top 6.
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
Yeah, an absolute breath-taking tank-job should garner you at least top-3.
I think the idea is that the system is supposed to discourage breath taking tank jobs, to which I guess this is a good thing.
Post by: Nik on June 27, 2020, 10:20:04 AM
I really can't get over this clip of Brian Burke complaining about how "unfair" it is that a team that may have had 25 more points than the Wings will pick ahead of them. I guarantee you he's said "life isn't fair" hundreds of times in his life when people were complaining about legitimately unbalanced stuff.
The one thing that NHL executives want, more than anything else, is for their jobs to be as easy as possible and nobody to get thrown out of the club ever. What a whiner.
Post by: Frank E on June 27, 2020, 11:43:31 AM
Once "team to be named" is revealed, I don't doubt that they offer the 2 picks to move up.
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 12:20:39 PM
Post by: herman on June 27, 2020, 12:51:43 PM
Maybe I've missed a post on this, but what happens if the mini playoff thing doesn't go ahead, or is cancelled? It's not like they can re-draw this scenario...?
If the 2019-20 Return to Play does not occur for any reason, the teams with the 8th to 15th lowest points percentage at the pause would equal shots (12.5 per cent) at getting the No. 1 overall pick. Keep in mind, though, not all those teams may not own their first-round pick.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) June 27, 2020
The following post in that thread outlines which teams qualify (the Leafs juuuust don't quite qualify as bad enough).
Post by: herman on June 27, 2020, 01:08:21 PM
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17
Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
Post by: Bender on June 27, 2020, 01:53:30 PM
Post by: Frycer14 on June 27, 2020, 03:16:32 PM
Maybe I've missed a post on this, but what happens if the mini playoff thing doesn't go ahead, or is cancelled? It's not like they can re-draw this scenario...?If the 2019-20 Return to Play does not occur for any reason, the teams with the 8th to 15th lowest points percentage at the pause would equal shots (12.5 per cent) at getting the No. 1 overall pick. Keep in mind, though, not all those teams may not own their first-round pick.
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) June 27, 2020
The following post in that thread outlines which teams qualify (the Leafs juuuust don't quite qualify as bad enough).
Gotcha. So ideally the leafs get bounced in the play-in and the season limps across the finish line. Yesno?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 28, 2020, 09:50:32 AM
So what happens if the Leafs lose the play in but also don't get the first pick? We're still out of the top 10 right?
Looks like the very best the Leafs could get would be 11th. That assumes an upset in every single play-in round and a team with a worse points percentage than Toronto also winning the second lottery. So it's 1st or bust.
Post by: disco on June 29, 2020, 01:07:23 AM
So what happens if the Leafs lose the play in but also don't get the first pick? We're still out of the top 10 right?
We ain't losing no play-in, CBJ going down in two (the incessant offensive barrage causing them to forfeit early).
Post by: Frank E on July 06, 2020, 02:01:22 PM
And they've got 4 second round picks.
That's a lot of early picking.
Post by: bustaheims on July 06, 2020, 03:49:03 PM
I didn't realize that Ottawa also has the Isles 1st rounder, barring Isles win the lottery - then it moves to next year.
And they've got 4 second round picks.
That's a lot of early picking.
One of the few things Dorian as done well for the sens is acquiring picks and prospects once the team actually embraced the rebuild. He got super lucky with the 1st from San Jose, but, otherwise, he's been pretty good about adding picks in the first couple rounds.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 08:59:11 AM
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 09:00:00 AM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 09:01:41 AM
If Leafs don't win the lottery where does Carolina get the pick? 13?
13th or 14th, depends on if a team above or below the Leafs in the standings wins.
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 09:14:56 AM
List teams as they count down to #1. Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd. So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 09:16:37 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft
List teams as they count down to #1. Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd. So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
I believe someone said that Bettman will be plucking the lottery balls out live on TV.
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 09:21:12 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft
List teams as they count down to #1. Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd. So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
I believe someone said that Bettman will be plucking the lottery balls out live on TV.
They must be using weighted balls to fix it live on TV for the Leafs.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 09:22:53 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft
List teams as they count down to #1. Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd. So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
Also, in case you didn't know, tonight's lottery is ONLY for the number 1 pick. The lotteries for picks 2 (LA) and 3 (ott) were already done. It's complicated.
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 09:25:24 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft
List teams as they count down to #1. Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd. So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
Also, in case you didn't know, tonight's lottery is ONLY for the number 1 pick. The lotteries for picks 2 (LA) and 3 (ott) were already done. It's complicated.
Yeah not sure they can really count down...the 15th pick goes to....OH THE PENGUINS WIN THE LOTTERY!
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 10:11:51 AM
I'm assuming they are going to do the draft thing the same way they do the usual draft
List teams as they count down to #1. Given how this playoff thing run I'm expecting the Leafs to get 2nd. So not only do we not get Lafreniere but we also lose our draft pick to Carolina.
Also, in case you didn't know, tonight's lottery is ONLY for the number 1 pick. The lotteries for picks 2 (LA) and 3 (ott) were already done. It's complicated.
Yeah, I knew that, I was just trying to find the scenario where we get most disappointed.
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 11:21:23 AM
Post by: Bullfrog on August 10, 2020, 11:43:53 AM
Draft is October 9th eh? Guess it's time to enjoy summer.
Yep, will be super exciting who the Leafs pick in the 2nd round.
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 10, 2020, 11:45:37 AM
Who's this year's Robertson?Draft is October 9th eh? Guess it's time to enjoy summer.
Yep, will be super exciting who the Leafs pick in the 2nd round.
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Who's this year's Robertson?Draft is October 9th eh? Guess it's time to enjoy summer.
Yep, will be super exciting who the Leafs pick in the 2nd round.
Yeah if we get another Robertson type, that's a-OK
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 10, 2020, 02:48:32 PM
1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000. Edmonton
Post by: Deebo on August 10, 2020, 03:07:21 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:
1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000. Edmonton
I have Winnipeg below Pittsburgh at 732,531.
Post by: Zee on August 10, 2020, 03:18:00 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:
1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000. Edmonton
I have Winnipeg below Pittsburgh at 732,531.
Winnipeg fans would immediately start a follow up to their "Laine is better" campaign to "Lafrieniere is better", cause you know, everything is about the Leafs
Post by: Deebo on August 10, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
Here's my ranking of who I would most like to see the lottery:
1. Toronto
2. Minnesota
3. NYR
4. Nashville
5. Florida
6. Winnipeg
7. Pittsburgh
1,000,000. Edmonton
I have Winnipeg below Pittsburgh at 732,531.
Winnipeg fans would immediately start a follow up to their "Laine is better" campaign to "Lafrieniere is better", cause you know, everything is about the Leafs
I think Winnipeg is my second least favourite Canadian team now.
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 06:12:11 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 10, 2020, 06:12:40 PM
I don’t watch the NHL network so I’m not familiar with this woman but her ability to praise Bettman with every question is quite special
"Mr Bettman, your campaign seems to have the momentum of a runaway freight train. Why are you so popular?"
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 06:15:24 PM
Post by: L K on August 10, 2020, 06:17:45 PM
Post by: Chris on August 10, 2020, 06:20:51 PM
Hey we sucked in the season and don’t get a first round pick! See you all in NovemberOh well, the summer got a lot less interesting in a hurry.
Now Dubas really has to earn his salary.
Post by: Hobbes on August 10, 2020, 06:36:19 PM
Post by: barney_rebel on August 10, 2020, 07:13:20 PM
Post by: herman on August 10, 2020, 07:38:17 PM
John Tavares Leafs' lottery ball
— Corwin (@corwinmc) August 10, 2020
🤝
Hitting the post on an open net pic.twitter.com/TvyTTXidW6
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 10:16:06 AM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2020, 10:19:26 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.
It feel so weird reading draft previews again.
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 10:23:53 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.
It feel so weird reading draft previews again.
He's just going to trade down anyway.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2020, 10:24:58 AM
Okay so this got more interesting again, for now.
It feel so weird reading draft previews again.
He's just going to trade down anyway.
*whispers* don't do it Kyle
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 10:39:24 AM
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 26, 2020, 10:59:03 AM
Remember that time Dubas got miffed that he was being typecast as a draft pick trader downer and then promptly traded down his first rounder the next weekHaha, yup. Worked out well I think. Sandin and SDA.
Post by: L K on August 26, 2020, 12:41:48 PM
Ian Scott missed the entire year after hip surgery. Joseph Woll wasn't good at all on a mediocre Marlies team last year.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2020, 12:52:50 PM
If Askarov is available at 15, do you consider going for a goaltender?
Ian Scott missed the entire year after hip surgery. Joseph Woll wasn't good at all on a mediocre Marlies team last year.
Full disclosure I only found out who he was yesterday but yeah if he slips to 15 he'd be tough to pass up I think.
Post by: Nik on August 26, 2020, 01:02:59 PM
I think you absolutely consider it. And if you don't take him I think it's an area to focus on in the next few rounds anyway.
Post by: herman on August 26, 2020, 03:46:49 PM
Post by: herman on August 29, 2020, 03:24:40 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 29, 2020, 04:09:09 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick?????
Post by: herman on August 29, 2020, 04:38:18 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick?????
Larry Brooks of @nypostsports reports Eddie Olczyk has interviewed for #FlaPanthers GM job as Chris Drury dropped out. I can confirm Panthers’ interest in former Bruins/Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli — he is one to watch for the gig. https://t.co/F1ejRJ6LsO
— George Richards (@GeorgeRichards) August 29, 2020
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on August 29, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick?????Larry Brooks of @nypostsports reports Eddie Olczyk has interviewed for #FlaPanthers GM job as Chris Drury dropped out. I can confirm Panthers’ interest in former Bruins/Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli — he is one to watch for the gig. https://t.co/F1ejRJ6LsO
— George Richards (@GeorgeRichards) August 29, 2020
Quick. Someone find some pictures of Eckblad partying with his shirt off.
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 29, 2020, 04:56:58 PM
Haha..The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick?????Larry Brooks of @nypostsports reports Eddie Olczyk has interviewed for #FlaPanthers GM job as Chris Drury dropped out. I can confirm Panthers’ interest in former Bruins/Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli — he is one to watch for the gig. https://t.co/F1ejRJ6LsO
— George Richards (@GeorgeRichards) August 29, 2020
Post by: Zee on August 30, 2020, 03:29:29 PM
Can't wait to get through this farce of a season and onto the draft and free agency. Can't wait to see what the Leafs doHaha..The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick?????Larry Brooks of @nypostsports reports Eddie Olczyk has interviewed for #FlaPanthers GM job as Chris Drury dropped out. I can confirm Panthers’ interest in former Bruins/Oilers GM Peter Chiarelli — he is one to watch for the gig. https://t.co/F1ejRJ6LsO
— George Richards (@GeorgeRichards) August 29, 2020
Post by: herman on September 01, 2020, 12:55:33 PM
New Post: A deeper dive into a conversation with @DraftDynasty1 & @ByronMBader about why teams miss when drafting for defensive players.https://t.co/oVAk3bFomz
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) September 1, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 01, 2020, 01:48:25 PM
The chances for the Leafs getting Ekblad and probably Barkov just went up a tick
Dhaliwal on Gillis and Florida: Luongo is vouching for Gillis, I don't think that interview takes place without Roberto. Mike is going to get a 2nd interview. I heard the owner was really impressed with his presentation
— Taj (@taj1944) September 1, 2020
(1040)
Roberto nooooooooooo!
Post by: herman on September 01, 2020, 02:39:31 PM
But also, Gillis would be a great hire and I'm not sure why he's been blacklisted for so long.
Post by: herman on September 01, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
Post by: Nik on September 01, 2020, 04:01:58 PM
Through my incredibly scientific draft method of "Let's find a forward from the CHL who scored a lot of points" I've decided the Leafs should pick one of Jack Quinn, Connor Zary, Mavrik Bourque or Jacob Perreault. Any other pick would be a tragic misstep that will doom the team. I will not be taking follow up questions.
Post by: Frank E on September 01, 2020, 05:50:33 PM
Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.
A 5'9 154lbs defenseman.
He's got Dubas written all over him.
Post by: Highlander on September 01, 2020, 07:01:55 PM
Just small enough to skate through forwards legs exiting the zone.Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.
A 5'9 154lbs defenseman.
He's got Dubas written all over him.
Post by: herman on September 08, 2020, 11:49:51 AM
NHL Draft is being moved ahead a couple of days. First round Oct 6, rest on Oct. 7.
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) September 8, 2020
Post by: Frank E on September 08, 2020, 12:13:54 PM
Post by: Bender on September 08, 2020, 12:31:18 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?I really think they flip it for a Dman. Hope we don't though...
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Post by: Dappleganger on September 08, 2020, 12:39:06 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?I really think they flip it for a Dman. Hope we don't though...
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But Matt Dumba is going look great in the Blue & White. ;D
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 08, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?
I'll tell you on October 7th.
Post by: herman on September 15, 2020, 10:51:49 AM
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17
Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
Modern defense-first mobile back
Please use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjreiOXs3w
Like a left shot Mitch Marner (stylistically, he's physically much smaller than Marner at the moment) that got assigned a defense position instead of winger.
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 15, 2020, 11:26:23 AM
My mid-range choices (4rders):You can almost hear Bowen calling Topi lol..Both look interesting though and I would think one of them should be available to the Leafs later on.https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17
Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
Modern defense-first mobile backPlease use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjreiOXs3w
Like a left shot Mitch Marner (stylistically, he's physically much smaller than Marner at the moment) that got assigned a defense position instead of winger.
Post by: Highlander on September 15, 2020, 04:44:06 PM
Hope Topi is available in the 2nd round.My mid-range choices (4rders):You can almost hear Bowen calling Topi lol..Both look interesting though and I would think one of them should be available to the Leafs later on.https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17
Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
Modern defense-first mobile backPlease use a mid-range pick on Anton Johannesson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjreiOXs3w
Like a left shot Mitch Marner (stylistically, he's physically much smaller than Marner at the moment) that got assigned a defense position instead of winger.
Post by: Dappleganger on September 16, 2020, 12:40:25 AM
So, are we taking the goalie or what?I really think they flip it for a Dman. Hope we don't though...
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But Matt Dumba is going look great in the Blue & White. ;D
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2022090
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 10:39:44 AM
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well
Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/
Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 11:00:33 AM
Post by: bustaheims on September 16, 2020, 11:10:30 AM
He's a bit of a safer pick - a big RHD who moves pretty well but doesn't have a great transition game. Probably tops out as a 2nd pairing type, but seems like a solid bet to at least be an NHL calibre d-man.
Post by: louisstamos on September 16, 2020, 11:33:05 AM
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 16, 2020, 11:33:14 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.Me too. Is there any sense of any of the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs having big interest in a top goalie prospect?
Post by: L K on September 16, 2020, 11:39:06 AM
The divide on Braden Schneider is interesting. A lot of rankings have him in the mid-teens, while a number don't have him in the 1st round at all.
He's a bit of a safer pick - a big RHD who moves pretty well but doesn't have a great transition game. Probably tops out as a 2nd pairing type, but seems like a solid bet to at least be an NHL calibre d-man.
I know RHD is the panacea of everything in the NHL these days but I'm really wary of using our first round picks on safe picks. I know we need a steady stream of prospects but he strikes me as more of a defensive version of a Gauthier kind of pick. Low ceiling player. Obviously a defenseman carries far more weight than a 3rd/4th line ceiling center but I'm not a big fan of that risk.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 11:40:35 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.Me too. Is there any sense of any of the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs having big interest in a top goalie prospect?
The 3 teams directly ahead of the Leafs are Florida, Carolina, and Edmonton. Florida just picked a goalie 13th overall last year so I doubt they do it again. Carolina seems like a team that could use a goalie prospect but Dundon once said the Canes will never take a defenceman in the 1st round because they want to focus on offence there... so I would imagine that makes it unlikely they look at a goalie. Edmonton picks right before Toronto and again seem like a team that could use a top goalie prospect, but Holland doesn't have much of a history picking goalies in the 1st or even 2nd round.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 11:41:17 AM
Seth Jarvis intrigues me, and seems like a prototypical Dubas player. Smaller centre at 5'10, but scored 42 goals and 98 points in the WHL this year, and is ranked anywhere from #11 to #29. Might be worth taking a chance on.
Yeah Jarvis was the skater that seems to jump out at me the most in that area.
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 11:43:22 AM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.Me too. Is there any sense of any of the teams drafting ahead of the Leafs having big interest in a top goalie prospect?
Carolina, with our former pick :) Or New Jersey or Minnesota?
Either way, Askarov is still 3ish years away from NHL time by most counts.
Post by: Highlander on September 16, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
As the top sports writers say Goalies are "Voodoo".
Post by: bustaheims on September 16, 2020, 12:07:33 PM
I know RHD is the panacea of everything in the NHL these days but I'm really wary of using our first round picks on safe picks. I know we need a steady stream of prospects but he strikes me as more of a defensive version of a Gauthier kind of pick. Low ceiling player. Obviously a defenseman carries far more weight than a 3rd/4th line ceiling center but I'm not a big fan of that risk.
Agreed. I wouldn't take him at #15, but, if the Leafs add a pick later in the 1st round or he's still available for when the Leafs pick in the 2nd round, I'd probably take a chance on him there.
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 16, 2020, 12:12:55 PM
I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Post by: Highlander on September 16, 2020, 12:37:59 PM
Yep he is being touted as the top goalie prospect in long while, if he is available we would be smart to grab him.I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Post by: RedLeaf on September 16, 2020, 01:02:57 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 16, 2020, 01:29:17 PM
I guess it will come down to how Dubas and Co feel about Ian Scott and Woll, or if he's still available?Yep he is being touted as the top goalie prospect in long while, if he is available we would be smart to grab him.I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 16, 2020, 01:33:14 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?Tough to say really. If the right deal comes along I'm sure they won't hesitate to move it.
Post by: Bender on September 16, 2020, 05:35:15 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?I wonder if he explores trading down.
Post by: bustaheims on September 16, 2020, 05:41:45 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?I wonder if he explores trading down.
Depending on who?s still on the board, there?s a good chance of that.
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:10:07 PM
Leafs options for trading down from 15th Overall https://t.co/ekcOpACUxm
— The Leafs Nation (@TLNdc) September 16, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 06:11:29 PM
How many think the Leafs will keep the 15Th OA pick and not trade it away ?I wonder if he explores trading down.
Depending on who?s still on the board, there?s a good chance of that.
If their target is Askarov and he's on the board no way they can risk trading down. If he's gone or they want someone like Jarvis then maybe they can risk going down a few slots.
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:12:16 PM
Post by: Frank E on September 16, 2020, 06:14:14 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 16, 2020, 06:17:26 PM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?
I see all your posts as question marks.
...
But yeah. *shrugs*
Post by: Rob on September 16, 2020, 06:44:10 PM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?
I think it's those weirdos using TapaTalk on their phones.
Post by: herman on September 16, 2020, 06:50:23 PM
When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 16, 2020, 09:26:18 PM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.
When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.
I've spent far too many hours this month debugging font problems. Someone needs to build a language that works.
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 16, 2020, 11:39:33 PM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.
When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.
I've spent far too many hours this month debugging font problems. Someone needs to build a language that works.
ESPERANTO!! 8) :o :P
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 17, 2020, 09:14:26 AM
It is from the mobile keyboard apostrophe and several other symbols being unrecognized by the forum typeface.
When I post from a computer browser it shows up fine.
I?m on mobile now.
I've spent far too many hours this month debugging font problems. Someone needs to build a language that works.
ESPERANTO!! 8) :o :P
Isn't that who the Leafs are going to take in the third round?
Post by: L K on September 17, 2020, 09:47:51 AM
I guess it will come down to how Dubas and Co feel about Ian Scott and Woll, or if he's still available?Yep he is being touted as the top goalie prospect in long while, if he is available we would be smart to grab him.I'm starting to get my heart set on Askarov. I just think at 15 he'd carry the highest possible ceiling of any player available. We'll see what happens I guess.If you can grab a potential franchise goalie, you do it. It's the most important position. Is he a potential franchise goalie tho??
Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.
Post by: herman on September 17, 2020, 10:54:40 AM
Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.
The surgery was reported to be repairing an impingement issue (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/12/19/21030274/hip-surgery-will-sideline-ian-scott-for-at-least-6-months-maple-leafs-marlies); it was deemed successful. Would that not give him better range of motion going forward in the long term after recovery/physio?
Similar to Stroman's major injury, it's an opportunity to step back from the game and rebuild fundamentals (now with the NHL dev team, rather than WHL team resources).
Post by: Frank E on September 17, 2020, 11:12:30 AM
Does anyone else see apostrophes as question marks in the posts?
I see all your posts as question marks.
...
But yeah. *shrugs*
My posts are very questionable.
Post by: L K on September 17, 2020, 11:20:36 AM
Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.
The surgery was reported to be repairing an impingement issue (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/12/19/21030274/hip-surgery-will-sideline-ian-scott-for-at-least-6-months-maple-leafs-marlies); it was deemed successful. Would that not give him better range of motion going forward in the long term after recovery/physio?
Similar to Stroman's major injury, it's an opportunity to step back from the game and rebuild fundamentals (now with the NHL dev team, rather than WHL team resources).
Yes, but. I'm not saying write him off. Just that with him having to rebuild his style of play we don't know what kind of goaltender he will be at this point.
Post by: Highlander on September 17, 2020, 11:35:16 AM
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 17, 2020, 12:18:25 PM
If the surgery has limited his movements or whatever else physically, then yes they'd have to adjust his style, but there's no mention of anything but the surgery being a success. There's a big difference to adjusting style to adjusting play. I think of it as having Barb Underhill teaching them about skating. She isn't changing their style of play, just helping an aspect of it to make them better players.Scott had an impressive WHL career but man I'm leery of expecting anything out of a goalie who has major hip surgery forcing him to miss an entire season.
The surgery was reported to be repairing an impingement issue (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/12/19/21030274/hip-surgery-will-sideline-ian-scott-for-at-least-6-months-maple-leafs-marlies); it was deemed successful. Would that not give him better range of motion going forward in the long term after recovery/physio?
Similar to Stroman's major injury, it's an opportunity to step back from the game and rebuild fundamentals (now with the NHL dev team, rather than WHL team resources).
Yes, but. I'm not saying write him off. Just that with him having to rebuild his style of play we don't know what kind of goaltender he will be at this point.
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 17, 2020, 03:59:46 PM
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Post by: Big Daddy on September 18, 2020, 12:21:39 PM
LAPIERRE, HENDRIX
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 12:44:33 PM
Spencer Knight (2019, 13th overall)
Jake Oettinger (2017, 26th overall)
Ilya Samsonov (2015, 22nd overall)
Andre Vasilevskiy (2012, 19th overall)
Jack Campbell (2010, 11th overall)
Chet Pickard (2008, 18th overall)
Jonathan Bernier (2006, 11th overall)
Carey Price (2005, 5th overall)
Al Montoya (2004, 6th overall)
Marc-Andre Fleury (2003, 1st overall)
Kari Lehtonen (2002, 2nd overall)
Pascal Leclaire (2001, 8th overall)
Rick DiPietro (2000, 1st overall)
Look at some of the names on that list. Chet Pickard? Who? Al Montoya was 6th overall? lol. You hope Askarov is closer to Vasilevskiy and Price instead of some of the other guys.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 12:59:13 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies. It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out. Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.
That's 13 goalies... 2 of them are Vezina winners. That's 15%. 1 of them has multiple Stanley Cups, a few of them have had decent careers as average starters, some flamed out either due to injury or mediocrity, and some of them are still pretty early in their careers but still have a lot of hype around them. I'm not saying that drafting goalies in the 1st round isn't a risk, but I mean if you took a list of every defenceman drafted in the 1st round since 2000 I'm pretty sure you'd see a pretty similar trend.
Post by: Nik on September 18, 2020, 01:00:01 PM
Feels like you could probably say effectively the same thing a out draft picks at any position.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 01:10:42 PM
Spencer Knight (2019, 13th overall)
Jake Oettinger (2017, 26th overall)
Ilya Samsonov (2015, 22nd overall)
Andre Vasilevskiy (2012, 19th overall)
I'd also like to think that scouting and evaluation goalies has probably evolved quite a bit since Pascal Leclaire was drafted 8th overall in 2001. These are the last 4 goalies drafted in the 1st round. Vasilevskiy is one of the best goalies in the league. Samsonov is about to likely take over Washington's net from Brayden Holtby. Oettinger's just 21 years old and had a pretty impressive debut AHL season leading all rookie goalies in save percentage. Spencer Knight's just 19 years old so obviously it's impossible to say much about him but his draft+1 year in the NCAA was basically as good as you could have possibly expected: he led all freshmen goalies in save percentage and was 4th overall in wins.
We could actually be in an era where goalies are getting under-rated at drafts and the Leafs might be smart to capitalize on that.
Post by: louisstamos on September 18, 2020, 01:11:23 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies. It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out. Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.
Spencer Knight (2019, 13th overall)
Jake Oettinger (2017, 26th overall)
Ilya Samsonov (2015, 22nd overall)
Andre Vasilevskiy (2012, 19th overall)
Jack Campbell (2010, 11th overall)
Chet Pickard (2008, 18th overall)
Jonathan Bernier (2006, 11th overall)
Carey Price (2005, 5th overall)
Al Montoya (2004, 6th overall)
Marc-Andre Fleury (2003, 1st overall)
Kari Lehtonen (2002, 2nd overall)
Pascal Leclaire (2001, 8th overall)
Rick DiPietro (2000, 1st overall)
Look at some of the names on that list. Chet Pickard? Who? Al Montoya was 6th overall? lol. You hope Askarov is closer to Vasilevskiy and Price instead of some of the other guys.
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 01:14:06 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies. It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out. Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.
That's 13 goalies... 2 of them are Vezina winners. That's 15%. 1 of them has multiple Stanley Cups, a few of them have had decent careers as average starters, some flamed out either due to injury or mediocrity, and some of them are still pretty early in their careers but still have a lot of hype around them. I'm not saying that drafting goalies in the 1st round isn't a risk, but I mean if you took a list of every defenceman drafted in the 1st round since 2000 I'm pretty sure you'd see a pretty similar trend.
True enough, but given that there's only 1 starting goalie spot per team the goalie has to be really exceptional. When you use a first round pick on a goalie you're basically saying you want him to turn into a bonafide starter. Anything short of that and it feels like a wasted first round pick. With a forward or D you can convince yourself the first rounder wasn't wasted if he plays even 3rd line or 2nd pair D and is reliable (for anyone outside the top 3-5 of course)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 01:15:07 PM
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...
Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 01:16:15 PM
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...
Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.
Who's missing? I took that list from a website so I make no claims to it's reliability :D
Damn, how did they forget Rask?
Post by: Zee on September 18, 2020, 01:18:24 PM
Post by: bustaheims on September 18, 2020, 01:55:15 PM
I know people are saying Askarov might be the next goalie taken in the first round, but man you gotta be careful with goalies. It's like voodoo trying to figure these guys out. Stole this list from some article on all goalies taken in the first round since 2000.
So, this is clearly actually a list of the 1st goalie taken each year, if they were taken in the first round. It's missing a number of picks.
Here's just from the first 3 years:
2000:
Brent Krahn (9)
2001:
Dan Blackburn (10)
Jason Bacashihua (26)
Adam Munro (29)
2002:
Cam Ward (25)
Hannu Toivonen (29)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
True enough, but given that there's only 1 starting goalie spot per team the goalie has to be really exceptional. When you use a first round pick on a goalie you're basically saying you want him to turn into a bonafide starter. Anything short of that and it feels like a wasted first round pick. With a forward or D you can convince yourself the first rounder wasn't wasted if he plays even 3rd line or 2nd pair D and is reliable (for anyone outside the top 3-5 of course)
Even this seems a bit debatable though especially at a time where we're seeing more and more teams have to rely on 2 goalies. Like if a forward who ends up being a reliable 3rd liner isn't seen as a complete waste of a 1st round pick why would a goalie who becomes a high end back-up or reliable 1B guy be seen that way?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 18, 2020, 02:01:33 PM
So, this is clearly actually a list of the 1st goalie taken each year, if they were taken in the first round. It's missing a number of picks.
Oh no my Vezina percentage probability has been ruined!
Post by: bustaheims on September 18, 2020, 02:02:11 PM
Devyn Dubnyk (14, 2004)
Cory Schneider (26, 2004)
Tuukka Rask (21, 2005)
Semyon Varlamov (23, 2006)
There are a bunch of guys I didn't list who didn't make much of an impact at the NHL level, but, overall, a quick review shows that drafting a goalie in the 1st round is kind of a 50/50 proposition - it's mostly guys that either become starters or don't crack an NHL roster on a long-term basis, with some outliers on either side (elite goalies, complete busts, etc).
Post by: Bender on September 18, 2020, 02:29:03 PM
There's a goalie taken in the first round that seems to be missing from this list...I just can't put my finger on it...
Tuuukkkaaaaa... so that makes it 3 of 14 goalies drafted in the 1st round who have won a Vezina. I'll take the 20% chance Askarov could do that.
Yeah I mean is that really terrible odds considering where they're picking? What are the odds someone picked there becomes a better player?
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 18, 2020, 02:33:11 PM
Marc-Andre Fleury
Carey Price
Tuukka Rask
Devan Dubnyk
Semyon Varlamov
Cory Schneider
Jonathan Bernier
Andrei Vasilevski
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov
Post by: Dappleganger on September 18, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
Malcolm Subban was also a 1st round pick. I don't know how many of these guys were considered can't miss like Askarov or even the guys that never had much of a career. It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.
Marc-Andre Fleury
Carey Price
Tuukka Rask
Devan Dubnyk
Semyon Varlamov
Cory Schneider
Jonathan Bernier
Andrei Vasilevski
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Ilya Samsonov
I think there's more 1st round pick quality there than not.
Post by: Nik on September 18, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.
I don't think it's completely hit or miss. Look at someone like Bernier. Bernier obviously didn't turn into a franchise goalie but the Kings got some good back-up years out of him and then flipped him for a 2nd round pick and minor NHLers. They almost definitely got more value out of that pick than they would a forward who became a 4th liner.
So I think there's a range of outcomes here, like with any pick.
Post by: Dappleganger on September 18, 2020, 07:00:04 PM
It's different then a player because you can't turn 1st line goalie into a third or fourth liner, he's either really good or he's not so it is hit or miss. Higher risk involved for sure.
I don't think it's completely hit or miss. Look at someone like Bernier. Bernier obviously didn't turn into a franchise goalie but the Kings got some good back-up years out of him and then flipped him for a 2nd round pick and minor NHLers. They almost definitely got more value out of that pick than they would a forward who became a 4th liner.
So I think there's a range of outcomes here, like with any pick.
I think that's the idea. How many Leafs 1st round pick skaters ended up playing zero games? I can think of a few.
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 19, 2020, 10:38:46 AM
How many Leafs 1st round pick skaters ended up playing zero games? I can think of a few.In the last 20 years? 1 Tyler Biggs. In the last 30 years, 2. Mind you they didn't have a 1st rounder in every year. Luca Cereda was the other although he had a heart defect.
Post by: RedLeaf on September 19, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 28, 2020, 10:24:50 AM
With the 15th overall pick the Leafs are proud to select… Seth Jarvis? https://t.co/DuLL57Z8k7
— The Leafs Nation (@TLNdc) September 28, 2020
Good article on a potential Leafs pick.
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 28, 2020, 10:34:13 AM
Post by: herman on September 28, 2020, 10:41:43 AM
Good article on a potential Leafs pick.
Scouching report on Seth Jarvis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUe17EGJ2lo
Post by: Rob on September 28, 2020, 11:38:03 AM
Good article on a potential Leafs pick.
Scouching report on Seth Jarvis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUe17EGJ2lo
He's no Griffith but it will have to do.
Post by: herman on September 28, 2020, 12:43:50 PM
Quote
"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."
Post by: Bender on September 28, 2020, 01:55:38 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/Quote"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."
That goes without saying but for whatever reason it makes me feel better that he said that out loud.
Post by: L K on September 29, 2020, 10:02:00 AM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/Quote"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."
7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later. I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 29, 2020, 11:34:26 AM
I'm not really following you. When all is said and done, the Leafs are missing their 3rd round pick this year and have 4 in the first 4 rounds, which is pretty much normal, no? They're in decent shape.https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-preview-will-dubas-trade-first-round-pick/Quote"We have [11] picks, and a lot of them are later on," Dubas said. "Our organization has felt that we have to... really, really try to hone our focus on making sure we make the most of those picks because they're going to be imperative to the future progress of our program."
7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later. I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.
Want to see crap? Pitt has 4 picks this year..3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round. Next year they have 4 again so far...2nd, 5th, 7th, 7th.
Post by: Nik on September 29, 2020, 12:01:07 PM
7 of our 11 picks are in the 5th round or later. I'm not going to say they aren't valuable because steals happen but I kind of hope we do a better job of not giving up picks in the first three rounds over the next few years.I'm not really following you. When all is said and done, the Leafs are missing their 3rd round pick this year and have 4 in the first 4 rounds, which is pretty much normal, no? They're in decent shape.
Want to see crap? Pitt has 4 picks this year..3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th round. Next year they have 4 again so far...2nd, 5th, 7th, 7th.
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I think the point is that the Leafs have had a chance to have a lot more talent in the system than they do but have dealt multiple 1st and 2nd rounders away over the last few years. That they've recouped some of that with things like the Kapanen deal is good but they could still be in a better situation.
And I think the obvious counterpoint re: Pittsburgh is that having a lousy collection of draft picks is probably more acceptable if you're trying to give your stars a shot at their 4th cup.
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 10:37:26 AM
A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well
Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/
Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/
Another Dobber ranking
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/09/30/dobberprospects-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings/
In range for the Leafs: Seth Jarvis, Connor Zary, Hendrix Lapierre, Noel Gunler, Mavrik Bourque, Rodion Amirov, Jack Quinn, and if we're really lucky: Anton Lundell
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2020, 01:29:13 PM
It's going to be interesting to see this unfold especially with Arizona losing their draft picks and them dangling everyone on their roster to get them back for this re-build/tool whatever they want to call it.A collection of draft rankings for the 1st round that we might participate in on Oct 6
https://www.eliteprospects.com/draft-center/2020/eliteprospects.com
- shows multiple outlets' rankings and player boxstats
https://www.tsn.ca/bob-mckenzie-s-final-ranking-lafreniere-the-surest-thing-in-most-uncertain-draft-year-1.1488272
- Bob's annual consolidated survey of scouts from NHL teams that historically lines up with the final quite well
Mini writeups
https://dobberprospects.com/robinson-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings-june-2020/
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/09/15/2020-nhl-draft-rankings-1-31/
Mock Drafts
http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2020/
Another Dobber ranking
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/09/30/dobberprospects-final-2020-nhl-draft-rankings/
In range for the Leafs: Seth Jarvis, Connor Zary, Hendrix Lapierre, Noel Gunler, Mavrik Bourque, Rodion Amirov, Jack Quinn, and if we're really lucky: Anton Lundell
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2020, 01:40:53 PM
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 01:50:15 PM
I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.
NJ (who have 3 picks!) or Carolina?
I would normally say BUF, MIN, NSH, EDM as well, but they need long-term scoring talent more than anything
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2020, 01:52:03 PM
I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.I think that's a definite possibility.
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2020, 01:54:44 PM
I think Car or Edm take him. NJ is def a possibility too.I wonder if the draft coming after the start of the KHL could boost Askarov up the board on some teams. He's 2-1 with 1 shutout, a 0.974 save percentage, and a 0.74 GAA. Obviously no one is going to draft him based off 3 games but if there was a team higher up on the board that really, really liked him but were somewhat wary maybe this would alleviate that a bit.
NJ (who have 3 picks!) or Carolina?
I would normally say BUF, MIN, NSH as well, but they need long-term scoring talent more than anything
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 02:02:40 PM
This is great: I’ve been told the NHL is sending every team’s hat to potential first-rounders so they can wear their new team’s logo when they get drafted this year, even though it’s remote.
— Ryan Kennedy (@THNRyanKennedy) September 30, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2020, 02:11:19 PM
This is great: I’ve been told the NHL is sending every team’s hat to potential first-rounders so they can wear their new team’s logo when they get drafted this year, even though it’s remote.
— Ryan Kennedy (@THNRyanKennedy) September 30, 2020
Melnyk definitely billed someone for the Ottawa ones.
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 02:36:45 PM
This is great: I’ve been told the NHL is sending every team’s hat to potential first-rounders so they can wear their new team’s logo when they get drafted this year, even though it’s remote.
— Ryan Kennedy (@THNRyanKennedy) September 30, 2020
Melnyk definitely billed someone for the Ottawa ones.
That is a solid pun and jab.
Post by: Andy on September 30, 2020, 04:31:48 PM
This is great: I’ve been told the NHL is sending every team’s hat to potential first-rounders so they can wear their new team’s logo when they get drafted this year, even though it’s remote.
— Ryan Kennedy (@THNRyanKennedy) September 30, 2020
Melnyk definitely billed someone for the Ottawa ones.
That is a solid pun and jab.
Guess that's the first time he's spent over the Cap.... ;)
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 30, 2020, 04:37:28 PM
Guess that's the first time he's spent over the Cap.... ;)
This, sir, is excellent work.
Post by: herman on September 30, 2020, 05:22:03 PM
Just a quick reference viz for draft eligibles' NHLe and probabilities.The NHL Entry Draft is only 1 week away!
— Mikael Nahabedian (@hunterofstats) September 29, 2020
This morning, I'm introducing my new player cards to evaluate prospects eligible for the upcoming NHL draft. You can browse through them right here:https://t.co/QjNGffxi3U
Post by: Bender on September 30, 2020, 08:56:56 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 01, 2020, 08:31:30 AM
So if we miss on Askarov in the first round what would people think about picking Nico Daws in the second?
2nd round might be a little early for Daws. If they can pick up a 3rd rounder or a late 2nd, then maybe.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 01, 2020, 10:38:48 AM
I think you're right and it depends who's available where the Leafs pick. He had a very good year but he was also D+1. Most rankings I've seen have him in the 3rd/4th round so if the Leafs can grab him in the 3rd then it's a possibility.So if we miss on Askarov in the first round what would people think about picking Nico Daws in the second?
2nd round might be a little early for Daws. If they can pick up a 3rd rounder or a late 2nd, then maybe.
Post by: bustaheims on October 01, 2020, 11:15:11 AM
I think you're right and it depends who's available where the Leafs pick. He had a very good year but he was also D+1. Most rankings I've seen have him in the 3rd/4th round so if the Leafs can grab him in the 3rd then it's a possibility.
Yeah. That, plus a not so great showing at the WJC combined with the fact that his numbers before 19/20 were not very good are concerns for me in terms of using a higher pick on him. I think the potential is there, but he seems like he's still quite raw. He's more likely a longer term project, and which translates to a mid to late round pick rather than a top 60 pick.
Post by: Frank E on October 01, 2020, 01:02:47 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 01, 2020, 01:17:44 PM
When's the last time the Leafs had a legit top goalie prospect? Rask and Pogge? Did we consider Reimer a top-prospect?Yup. Both Rask and Pogge were def considered top goalie prospects. I think Ian Scott is a very good prospect. We'll see if it works out.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2020, 02:18:52 PM
Quote from: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/article246120615.html
The Carolina Hurricanes have the 13th pick of the first round and eight draft picks in all. They also appear to have their sights firmly set, president and general manager Don Waddell said in an interview this week.
"Offense. I think you're always looking for more offense," Waddell said. "You've got to look at who's going to be available at 13 but we emptied the cupboard a little bit last year with a couple of trades and we think we've got lots of good young D coming, so if we can find that offensive player it certainly would be something that's a need for the organization."
They could always pull a 180 but sounds like Carolina wants a forward/not Askarov.
Post by: herman on October 01, 2020, 02:20:21 PM
Quote from: https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/nhl/carolina-hurricanes/article246120615.htmlThe Carolina Hurricanes have the 13th pick of the first round and eight draft picks in all. They also appear to have their sights firmly set, president and general manager Don Waddell said in an interview this week.
"Offense. I think you're always looking for more offense," Waddell said. "You've got to look at who's going to be available at 13 but we emptied the cupboard a little bit last year with a couple of trades and we think we've got lots of good young D coming, so if we can find that offensive player it certainly would be something that's a need for the organization."
They could always pull a 180 but sounds like Carolina wants a forward/not Askarov.
They should've taken Kapanen for the 13th then to get offense right away
Post by: herman on October 01, 2020, 04:02:55 PM
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for fun
Corey Pronman's mock has the #Leafs taking:
— Kyle Cushman (@Kyle_Cush) October 1, 2020
15. Rodion Amirov
44. Lukas Cormier
106. Alexander Pashin
122. Theo Rochette
153. Taylor Gauthier
168. Yaroslav Likhachyov
177. David Ma
180. Patrick Guay
189. Veeti Miettinen
195. Alex Young
212. Brett Brochu
I would love this draft
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 02, 2020, 07:29:51 AM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for funCorey Pronman's mock has the #Leafs taking:
— Kyle Cushman (@Kyle_Cush) October 1, 2020
15. Rodion Amirov
44. Lukas Cormier
106. Alexander Pashin
122. Theo Rochette
153. Taylor Gauthier
168. Yaroslav Likhachyov
177. David Ma
180. Patrick Guay
189. Veeti Miettinen
195. Alex Young
212. Brett Brochu
I would love this draft
The above draft would only be complete if Dubas stated in his press conference that he got "Ma Guay" in the draft.
Post by: Zee on October 02, 2020, 08:57:22 AM
Post by: RedLeaf on October 02, 2020, 11:12:09 AM
Taylor Gauthier. Even if we dump our current goat we can replenish with another.
He's Taylor made for the role.
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 02, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
Post by: herman on October 03, 2020, 06:34:02 PM
Revisiting an article about revisiting invitee-prospects at dev camp for some potential insight into who the Leafs might take overages fliers on in the 6-7th Rds
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 03, 2020, 07:31:10 PM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2020/1/22/21073431/toronto-maple-leafs-finding-future-diamonds-in-the-rough-from-development-camp-invitesI would go for a few of them. Why not? Some guys are late bloomers. Hamblin finished 25 points ahead of teammates and is a free agent. Gunnarwolfe Fontaine just because of his name lol. Some interesting kids on that list.
Revisiting an article about revisiting invitee-prospects at dev camp for some potential insight into who the Leafs might take overages fliers on in the 6-7th Rds
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 05, 2020, 09:10:14 AM
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 05, 2020, 09:40:21 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning
He's going to announce that this draft is "imperative to the future progress of our program".
Post by: Zee on October 05, 2020, 09:40:23 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning
I'm sure Steve Simmons is ready with a stupid question.
"Kyle, you've been on this job now more than 2 years. Why do you think it is that you've never received even 1 vote for executive of the year? Do you think it's a failing of your time as GM here and do you think you should be fired?"
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 09:53:12 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning
I'm sure Steve Simmons is ready with a stupid question.
"Kyle, you've been on this job now more than 2 years. Why do you think it is that you've never received even 1 vote for executive of the year? Do you think it's a failing of your time as GM here and do you think you should be fired?"
"Nope."
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 10:50:13 AM
Scouching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M41dEfoCr30
Habs Eyes on the Prize profile (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2020/2020/10/4/21450971/marat-khusnutdinov-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-scouting-report-stats-rankings-ska-st-petersburg)
Brayden Pointy?
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
A 2nd Rd option: Marat KhusnutdinovDraft is such a crap shoot. I see so many kids I would like the Leafs to have.
Scouching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M41dEfoCr30
Habs Eyes on the Prize profile (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2020/2020/10/4/21450971/marat-khusnutdinov-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-scouting-report-stats-rankings-ska-st-petersburg)
Brayden Pointy?
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 11:32:30 AM
A 2nd Rd option: Marat KhusnutdinovDraft is such a crap shoot. I see so many kids I would like the Leafs to have.
Scouching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M41dEfoCr30
Habs Eyes on the Prize profile (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2020/2020/10/4/21450971/marat-khusnutdinov-2020-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-scouting-report-stats-rankings-ska-st-petersburg)
Brayden Pointy?
Trade down for more picks :D
Post by: herman on October 05, 2020, 11:37:26 AM
Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning
He's going to announce that this draft is "imperative to the future progress of our program".
This is not what you promised, CarltonLeafs GM Kyle Dubas said there's been a "little bit more discussion" than usual regarding trading draft picks. "It's really all on the table right now."
— Joshua Kloke (@joshuakloke) October 5, 2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 11:40:18 AM
Yeah CTB...yer fired!!Dubas has a scheduled press conference this morning
He's going to announce that this draft is "imperative to the future progress of our program".This is not what you promised, CarltonLeafs GM Kyle Dubas said there's been a "little bit more discussion" than usual regarding trading draft picks. "It's really all on the table right now."
— Joshua Kloke (@joshuakloke) October 5, 2020
Post by: Bender on October 05, 2020, 03:39:03 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 05, 2020, 03:49:05 PM
Why did I think the draft was today? Now I have to come up with new evening plans other than refreshing twitter every 2 mins lol.
Well, you could stay in. Or you could stay in.
Post by: Deebo on October 05, 2020, 03:58:43 PM
Why did I think the draft was today? Now I have to come up with new evening plans other than refreshing twitter every 2 mins lol.
Change it to 10 minutes tonight.
Post by: RedLeaf on October 05, 2020, 04:08:13 PM
Post by: Frank E on October 05, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.
He's gauging the fan/media response.
Post by: bustaheims on October 05, 2020, 04:22:00 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.
Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.
Post by: RedLeaf on October 05, 2020, 04:41:04 PM
Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.
Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.
Knowing Kyles tendencies a little more now, my guess is he may be targeting a player below that 15th spot. Someone he could trade down for and grab another 2nd or 3rd in the process. Of course just a complete guess at this point. He certianly comes off with all the confidence in the world at these drafts .
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 05:07:09 PM
I don't believe and hope he doesn't work that way. I think he looks at the quality of players in or around the pick and reacts to how the draft goes. Some players drop for whatever reason. I don't think he says, let's see who's at 19 so we can drop down and get a 3rd. Taking a lesser perceived talent is not how you go about the draft. The draft is about quality, not quantity. He's going to pick the best player he can and wants. As for trading down in general, you still have to have a team that feels they need to use your pick, much like St Louis did a few years back. It should be interesting tomorrow because Arizona needs picks and the draft is tomorrow.Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.
Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.
Knowing Kyles tendencies a little more now, my guess is he may be targeting a player below that 15th spot. Someone he could trade down for and grab another 2nd or 3rd in the process. Of course just a complete guess at this point. He certianly comes off with all the confidence in the world at these drafts .
Post by: RedLeaf on October 05, 2020, 06:10:43 PM
I don't believe and hope he doesn't work that way. I think he looks at the quality of players in or around the pick and reacts to how the draft goes. Some players drop for whatever reason. I don't think he says, let's see who's at 19 so we can drop down and get a 3rd. Taking a lesser perceived talent is not how you go about the draft. The draft is about quality, not quantity. He's going to pick the best player he can and wants. As for trading down in general, you still have to have a team that feels they need to use your pick, much like St Louis did a few years back. It should be interesting tomorrow because Arizona needs picks and the draft is tomorrow.Watching the presser now and I'm getting the vibe he's going to trade that pick.
Maybe, though the vibe I get is that it's more likely moving the pick will be to trade up/trade down than trade it out for a player. I get the impression he very much intends to draft in the 1st round tomorrow night.
Knowing Kyles tendencies a little more now, my guess is he may be targeting a player below that 15th spot. Someone he could trade down for and grab another 2nd or 3rd in the process. Of course just a complete guess at this point. He certianly comes off with all the confidence in the world at these drafts .
I suppose its a combination of all those things. But I'm sure he has targets in mind and if they fall or if he feels they won't go before a certain pick he trades down.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:09:52 AM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:45:35 AM
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 10:19:39 AM
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Hug it out! Yet another day where I watch waiting for trades, nothing happens and a bunch of guys are selected that I know little to nothing about. ;D
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:31:01 AM
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on October 06, 2020, 10:40:59 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?
After someone else drafts him we can always trade for him two or three times.
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 10:44:08 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?
Can he win faceoffs like his dad?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:48:49 AM
How did I not realize that Yanic Perreault's kid was in this draft and is projected to go just a tad bit later than the Leafs pick (late teens/early 20s)?
Can he win faceoffs like his dad?
He's a winger so he doesn't take many, but was 57.7% on the draw this past season.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 11:48:00 AM
Just got off the phone with Russian ambassador Aleksandr Darchiev, he's really hoping Ottawa drafts Askarov. He said Putin will visit Ottawa, and attend his first Sens game. In Russia the TASS news agency has him going to Ottawa at 5, and say he's the next Tretiak.
— Shawn Simpson (@TSNSimmer) October 6, 2020
O...k...
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 12:19:07 PM
Post by: KadriFan on October 06, 2020, 12:48:10 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 12:54:17 PM
So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?
It feels like the Leafs are right at the point of the draft where anything can happen. My picks would be Askarov or Jarvis if they're available at 15. I'd consider moving back a bit only if both of those guys are gone (and there aren't any other surprise guys who dropped).
Post by: Bullfrog on October 06, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
Post by: louisstamos on October 06, 2020, 01:03:53 PM
So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?
It feels like the Leafs are right at the point of the draft where anything can happen. My picks would be Askarov or Jarvis if they're available at 15. I'd consider moving back a bit only if both of those guys are gone (and there aren't any other surprise guys who dropped).
This was almost word for word my Facebook status today. :P I assume if they drop, they'll go after someone like Ridly Greig (F) or Jeremie Poirier (D). But yeah - Askarov or Jarvis for me.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 01:09:38 PM
It's not as sexy as a first round pick forward, but it would be fun to follow his progress. I know we'd have to be patient with his development but do you think he could start the home opener on January 1st?
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 01:16:24 PM
It would be kind of fun to have an interesting goalie prospect.That should give him enough time!
It's not as sexy as a first round pick forward, but it would be fun to follow his progress. I know we'd have to be patient with his development but do you think he could start the home opener on January 1st?
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 01:47:33 PM
Heard on Leafs Lunch Jacob Perreault could be a target of Dubas. One of the highest skillsets in the draft. Scheduled to go late first/early second round. Maybe he moves down to get him?So who are we drafting at 15? Any predictions? Seth Jarvis? Rodion Amirov?
It feels like the Leafs are right at the point of the draft where anything can happen. My picks would be Askarov or Jarvis if they're available at 15. I'd consider moving back a bit only if both of those guys are gone (and there aren't any other surprise guys who dropped).
This was almost word for word my Facebook status today. :P I assume if they drop, they'll go after someone like Ridly Greig (F) or Jeremie Poirier (D). But yeah - Askarov or Jarvis for me.
Post by: Bullfrog on October 06, 2020, 01:52:24 PM
It would be kind of fun to have an interesting goalie prospect.
It's not as sexy as a first round pick forward, but it would be fun to follow his progress. I know we'd have to be patient with his development but do you think he could start the home opener on January 1st?
I'm still mad they didn't figure out how to draft Samsonov.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 01:59:44 PM
Dressing room ➡️ War room #LeafsForever #NHLDraft pic.twitter.com/KCp0qKlw0o
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 6, 2020
Much better bathroom access than other years.
Post by: Dappleganger on October 06, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 02:25:15 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 02:33:02 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
They have heart-eyes for Sanderson
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
If this guy is going to be the next Carey Price then you can't let him go. Like you said, it's much easier doing it because they have multiple firsts. Should be interesting. Who knows, he could drop down.The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 02:38:53 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 02:42:02 PM
Wonder how they'll show the draft tonight since all the GMs are in their own places. Zoom-call like with 31 pictures ? LOL....probably show one team at a time as they're up to pick I suppose.
I hope teams just communicate their picks with the NHL and Bettman or Daly announce them, followed by the analysis from the broadcast. I really don't want to see GMs fumbling around with zoom and congratulating the Lightning for winning the Cup every single pick.
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2020, 02:42:59 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
They also need help at virtually every position. They have some good prospects, but no real game-breakers. They do have a couple goalie projects/prospects, but they could definitely use a blue-chip 'tender - though, there aren't many teams that couldn't.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 02:51:55 PM
"Sorry, Jeff, can you repeat that? It cut out a bit at the player name."
"We are picking Alex-- Laf----re"
"Alex Laferriere?
"That is correct"
Zoom camera jump cut to Alexis Lafreniere looking shocked. Jump cut to Alex Laferriere looking bemused.
No one else notices for 14 more picks.
"The Toronto Maple Leafs are proud to select, Alexis Lafreniere"
"What?"
"He was on the board"
*checks notes... "oh! I guess that's that."
--
Dubas: "Good work, Sam, on the Zoom audio hack on HQ"
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 03:44:44 PM
i could see that.
— Kyle Dubas (@kyledubas) October 6, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 05:52:54 PM
McGuire on TSN690 says Lucas Raymond is the fastest climber in this draft, says he could see him cracking the top 10, says it wouldn't surprise him to see Raymond go in the top 10.
— NHL Watcher (@NHL_Watcher) October 6, 2020
I have seen him in the top 10 of most rankings and mocks... I don't think anyone would be shocked.
McGuire: guy ranked in the top 10 of almost every draft ranking, often even in the top 5, might get drafted in the top 10.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 05:57:47 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
They also need help at virtually every position. They have some good prospects, but no real game-breakers. They do have a couple goalie projects/prospects, but they could definitely use a blue-chip 'tender - though, there aren't many teams that couldn't.
Ottawa could get Drysdale and Byfield.
I hate the sens.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
The smaller market teams are going to need cash.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 06:46:04 PM
You know, this year, they should have made a rule that you could trade cash for players or picks.
The smaller market teams are going to need cash.
I'm trying to imagine something more antithetical to how Bettman's set up the entire league and failing.
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 07:00:47 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 07:03:47 PM
This is gonna sound crazy but is there an online feed to watch the draft?
You should see if you can join the Zoom call.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 07:11:06 PM
This is gonna sound crazy but is there an online feed to watch the draft?Ustvgo.tv/nbcsn
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:13:49 PM
Anyone else kind of think there'll be a lot fewer deals this year with the absence of chummy inperson talks?
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 07:19:28 PM
Anyone else kind of think there'll be a lot fewer deals this year with the absence of chummy inperson talks?
"Ummm...Kenny, you're still on mute. From reading your lips it looks like you are offering Draisaitl for Andersen. I can go ahead and start that trade call for you."
But ya, it looks like activity will be way down.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:22:28 PM
The awkwardness level of cutting to Lafreniere in his living room, wordlessly hugging his parents so as to mimic what would happen in a normal draft was right up there.
Post by: Rob on October 06, 2020, 07:22:33 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:28:23 PM
Why are the Rangers taking the full 5 minutes to make their pick. This is just stupidGotta fill tv time. Lol
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:28:38 PM
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 07:28:41 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:30:49 PM
Imagine being a top 3 pick in this draft and potentially getting to live in NY, LA or...Ottawa.Haha. When you put it that way. Well it should be cheaper to live there. That's a positive, no?
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 07:31:48 PM
The Byfield family celebration was way better
Dodged Ottawa
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:34:14 PM
Burke just referred to this German kid as "thick and obnoxious" as a compliment.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:35:10 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 07:35:56 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:36:38 PM
Ottawa is gonna ruin all that goodwill by letting Melnyk make their next pickNo doubt
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 07:49:35 PM
The Sens drafting Askarov with the 5th pick could be some shrewd business for them.
5's at a point where maybe it's still a little too early to look at a goalie but I mean considering they're also drafting 3rd (and possibly getting a little lucky with Byfield dropping to them) I guess they are in a position to take a bigger risk than most teams would in that spot.
They have heart-eyes for Sanderson
Cool
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 07:49:44 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 06, 2020, 07:52:34 PM
Oof, could you trade up for Drysdale at this point?
I can?t imagine Anaheim isn?t ecstatic to see him still on the board.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
You would think but....nah. Gift wrappedOof, could you trade up for Drysdale at this point?
I can?t imagine Anaheim isn?t ecstatic to see him still on the board.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 07:55:17 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 07:57:02 PM
Hey guys the pick is inThat was lame.
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 07:59:33 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:03:01 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:05:33 PM
Cory Pronman is spoiling all the picks on twitter
I really don't understand that outside of the fact that that's what passes as "reporting" in sports these days. Mention transactions 5 minutes before everyone else and you're an "insider".
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:08:03 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:09:20 PM
Post by: Gerald The Duck on October 06, 2020, 08:09:55 PM
Post by: Joe S. on October 06, 2020, 08:13:19 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:16:28 PM
This is so boring.Most drafts are. Go watch another show and get in the Twitter lol.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:16:32 PM
Wow what?s wrong with Perfetti?
I watched a whole one game of his this season in Hamilton and he sucked. Bust.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:17:53 PM
Well that's it then. He's out.Wow what?s wrong with Perfetti?
I watched a whole one game of his this season in Hamilton and he sucked. Bust.
Post by: Rob on October 06, 2020, 08:19:31 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:21:55 PM
CTB has spoken. This is the way.Good enough for me. Nice touch with Hawerchuks wife.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:22:59 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:24:47 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:25:42 PM
1 guy from Quebec
1 guy from Germany
1 guy from the States
1 guy from Austria
1 guy from Ottawa
2 guys from Sweden
3 guys from the GTA
So, yeah, just Toronto being Toronto.
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:28:22 PM
Here's how the 2020 draft breaks down by where the players are from:
1 guy from Quebec
1 guy from Germany
1 guy from the States
1 guy from Austria
1 guy from Ottawa
2 guys from Sweden
3 guys from the GTA
So, yeah, just Toronto being Toronto.
Think of all the guys who will be rumoured to sign with the Leafs in 10 years.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:28:38 PM
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:29:01 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:29:18 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:29:50 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:30:00 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov? I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.
I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:33:30 PM
Total confidence.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:33:53 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov? I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.
I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.
Also Rinne is bound to retire soon (and declining) and Saros is decent but not exactly on a "goalie of the future" level.
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:34:22 PM
Why would Nashville draft Askarov? I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.
I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.
I suppose. I figured he wouldn't make it past the Hurricanes anyways.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:35:49 PM
But I have total confidence in the Leafs' goaltending.Let's see what Ian Scott turns into. Maybe the Leafs will grab Daws later on.
Total confidence.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:36:06 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:36:32 PM
Or the OilersWhy would Nashville draft Askarov? I thought they were okay in net for the next little bit.
I don't think you draft a goalie for need. Odds are it's 3-4 years before he's in the league at all.
I suppose. I figured he wouldn't make it past the Hurricanes anyways.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:37:02 PM
Does Carolina take Jarvis?Would you? I probably would.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:37:24 PM
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:38:41 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:38:51 PM
Wake up Dubas!He's sleeping?
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
Really glad I tuned in.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:39:43 PM
Kinda interesting no one really went off the board yet.Dubas will lol.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:39:44 PM
Kinda interesting no one really went off the board yet.
The order wasn't set but I feel like it was pretty clear who the top-12 guys in the draft were. This is kinda where things get interesting.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:40:10 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:41:18 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:41:19 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:41:57 PM
Of course. Ok trade down.Won't surprise me.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:42:04 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:42:10 PM
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:42:12 PM
Post by: Joe S. on October 06, 2020, 08:42:28 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:43:40 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:44:18 PM
It?s amazing how these kids being drafted have webcams from 1998.Haha. No kidding
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 08:44:46 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:45:00 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:45:14 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:45:44 PM
I'm am hoping at this point for Hendrix Lapierre.Still good options.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:46:05 PM
Pierre McGuire just said "nobody talks about Carolina's defence!"...What? On crack lol.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:47:13 PM
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:49:32 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:50:05 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:50:29 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 08:51:27 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:53:40 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:53:47 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 08:54:14 PM
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 08:54:39 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:54:49 PM
Did Mitch Marner work this into his contract?
Perfect cap to his up and down season. He fumbled the draft call.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:55:09 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:55:18 PM
So...sure.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
I'm an insiderGood call. I like the pick. Glad they didn't pick Schneider.
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 08:55:51 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 08:56:50 PM
Rielly hot the sweater turn right tho lol.Did Mitch Marner work this into his contract?
Perfect cap to his up and down season. He fumbled the draft call.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 08:57:10 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?
Honestly the Leafs prospect group could use help everywhere. I'm not sure looking at positions was really a big focus.
Also Pronman had him 16th, so I'm not really sure this is off the board in any way.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 08:57:22 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?
Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.
Post by: Frank E on October 06, 2020, 08:58:45 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?
I think in the middle of the first round you just have to go with the player you like best regardless of position but I'm always going to be a bit suspicious of drafting guys where the highlights look like they were filmed by a guy smuggling a camera into a movie theatre.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:00:58 PM
Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.
Thing is, not only is the wing where the Leafs are strongest prospect wise, it's the easiest position to add via free agency.
Conversely, we've got people saying the Leafs basically can't trade someone as unimportant as Kerfoot because they've got basically nothing in the system at C.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
Small, soft skill was repeated by Burke there.So he's 6 feet tall and weighs in around 180. I guess that's small.
So...sure.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:05:46 PM
Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.
Thing is, not only is the wing where the Leafs are strongest prospect wise, it's the easiest position to add via free agency.
Conversely, we've got people saying the Leafs basically can't trade someone as unimportant as Kerfoot because they've got basically nothing in the system at C.
Sure and to completely obliterate my own point. Don?t draft for need. Draft BPA.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:06:06 PM
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 09:06:21 PM
Kevin Papetti is ecstatic lol.I dont know how to feel about this. They went off the board bit here. Thought a C or D would've been better no?
Honestly the Leafs prospect group could use help everywhere. I'm not sure looking at positions was really a big focus.
Also Pronman had him 16th, so I'm not really sure this is off the board in any way.
15) Toronto Maple Leafs: LW/RW Rodion Amirov
— Kevin Papetti (@KPapetti) October 7, 2020
A high-end skater who consistently stands out transition. He generates plenty of takeaways, and is a strong two-way winger.
He's now playing big minutes in the KHL, and led the U18 tournament in scoring last year.
My Rank: 12 pic.twitter.com/TmlCxpLZsn
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:07:22 PM
Amirov is not an empty calories player.
— Kevin Papetti (@KPapetti) October 7, 2020
He's a good two-way winger who generates takeaways, flies through the neutral zone, and doesn't have to play on your top powerplay unit to make an impact.
He will help this team defensively. He's closer to NHL ready than most.
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 09:08:21 PM
Right and I mean they aren't afraid to convert C to wing initially in their career. Look at Naz.Well for the next 5 years a center has no shot at the top 6 so maybe not a terrible move to strengthen the wings.
Thing is, not only is the wing where the Leafs are strongest prospect wise, it's the easiest position to add via free agency.
Conversely, we've got people saying the Leafs basically can't trade someone as unimportant as Kerfoot because they've got basically nothing in the system at C.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:08:54 PM
So cuteThe Toronto Maple Leafs select Rodion Amirov 15th overall pic.twitter.com/UxHAO3lVaG
— Omar (@TicTacTOmar) October 7, 2020
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:09:28 PM
Sure and to completely obliterate my own point. Don?t draft for need. Draft BPA.
Oh I agree. If this kid is who they like best, go ahead. I'm just saying I think if you're looking at the NHL roster need wise, having any sort of C depth in the system is probably along with goaltending is head and shoulders over everything.
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:10:03 PM
I really, really like Amirov here. He was the only player on the board I wanted if the Leafs were not to trade down. He's already driving offense for Ufa against men, and he can be signed after this season.
— Earl Schwartz (@EarlSchwartz27) October 7, 2020
Another winger that can come in and score for 3 years on an ELC
At the 2018 WJAC, Rodion Amirov was the most impressive player on a really good Russian team in the games I saw. Already in the KHL at 19. He’s really, really good.
— Rhys Jessop (@Thats_Offside) October 7, 2020
I really like Rodion Amirov
— /Cam Robinson/ (@Hockey_Robinson) October 7, 2020
pic.twitter.com/o3lc6yZIf2
All the nerd boys of Leafs Twitter are down (which is good? Did I do lingo right?)Leafs take Rodion Amirov!
— Nick DeSouza (@NickDeSouza_) October 7, 2020
In @TLNdc's mock draft, we had the Leafs taking Amirov. Here's what I had to say about him. A skilled player who can do a little bit of everything well. pic.twitter.com/rwS6h5y4Gz
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:10:13 PM
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?
That was my thought too. When Bettman said the pick wasn't in I was expecting a trade.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:11:17 PM
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?
That was my thought too. When Bettman said the pick wasn't in I was expecting a trade.
Yup. Marner looked off camera to make sure they didn?t get a bite
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:13:05 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:13:52 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:14:12 PM
Looks like he's a Daniel Milstein client.
Doesn?t he have a monopoly on Russian players?
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
Trading down 3 spots gets the Flames a mid 3rd so not really a big deal or worth risking not getting your guy in the first.
Post by: Rob on October 06, 2020, 09:19:23 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:23:23 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 06, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:24:33 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:25:10 PM
I really like Rodion Amirov
— /Cam Robinson/ (@Hockey_Robinson) October 7, 2020
pic.twitter.com/o3lc6yZIf2
Well Matthews will be a fan.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:25:59 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:27:09 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
No it?s literally because the kid is Russian and they have no information.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:28:13 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
He's listed at 167 lbs so that's what they're referring to. But room to grow if his frame is decent.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:28:40 PM
Braden Schneider being excitedly described as every 1st round defenceman who was a bust by Craig Button right now.I really went and looked at all I could find on Schneider and the more I saw, the less I wanted the Leafs to take him. He may turn out great, but not at 15.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:29:11 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
Sounds like more of a weight thing rather than a height thing.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:29:27 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:30:18 PM
I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
Sounds like more of a weight thing rather than a height thing.
Maybe it?s not too late to go back and draft Nick Ritchie or Lawson Crouse
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:32:39 PM
Braden Schneider being excitedly described as every 1st round defenceman who was a bust by Craig Button right now.I really went and looked at all I could find on Schneider and the more I saw, the less I wanted the Leafs to take him. He may turn out great, but not at 15.
He sounds like a good pick for a team like the Rangers who don't need to swing for the fences.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:32:48 PM
Leafs draft pick Rodion Amirov is signed with Salavat Yulaev Ufa through the end of this season. He's eligible to come to North America as soon as 2021-22 -- although that's a decision not likely to be made until well down the road here.
— Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) October 7, 2020
CJ clarifies that he has just 1 year left on his KHL deal. Gotta imagine Milstein's relationship with the Leafs will help get him over quickly.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:34:27 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:35:04 PM
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2020, 09:35:37 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:35:40 PM
I can't find the Columbus guy on McKenzie's top 100.
19 years old. Turns 20 in February. Seems odd for a 1st round pick.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
I can't find the Columbus guy on McKenzie's top 100.
Pronman had him ranked 125th. Wow.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:37:32 PM
I guess you're right. I think on the show he was listed at 177. Anyway I also found it funny that Sam says he's about 3 years away and from what I've read here, he could be ready in a year lol. Do these guys even know what they're talking about? Anyway I like the pick. Potential to be a 1st line guy picked in the middle of the 1st round, we'll take it.I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
Sounds like more of a weight thing rather than a height thing.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:38:15 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:38:47 PM
Chinakov? Seriously? I have a lot of faith in Jarmo Kekalainen but this is the biggest shock of a 1st round pick in 20 years. I got nothing. Absolutely nothing on this guy. I love the honesty of Sam & Futes. I'd have said the same thing.
— North American Central Scouting Independent Bureau (@MarkSeidel) October 7, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:39:41 PM
The panel saying "If you like your guy, go get him" and all but crazy to think you couldn't have traded down and picked up some stuff for a guy ranked as a 4th rounder in most places.
Has a draft show ever even remotely criticized a draft pick before? That selection was nuts.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:40:19 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:41:37 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:42:33 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:43:36 PM
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15. Toronto Maple Leafs: Rodion Amirov, LW, Ufa-MHL
Oct. 2, 2001 | six-foot | 167 pounds
Amirov bounced around between the pro and junior level all season. He was excellent versus his peers at the junior level, and versus men he showed flashes, including in a brief appearance late with Russia?s national team. He was also dominant at Russia?s U20 camp during the summer. Amirov is easy to spot on the ice when he has the puck because he?s very quick and skilled. He has quick-twitch hands and can inside-out defenders while skating at full speed. He has the ability to pull off a highlight reel play.He can set up and finish plays well. He flashes high-end playmaking and shooting ability, but neither consistently. His game is more about his pure skill and driving play forward with a ton of clean entries. His speed isn?t amazing, more just good; but his edges and cutbacks are excellent. Amirov has a slight frame, which led to struggles versus men who could knock him off pucks, but he does work hard and when he puts on muscle I could see him get inside easier.
Vancouver draft pick Vasili Podkolzin on Amirov: ?Amirov is a smart player with soft hands and good speed. He?s a non-standard player in terms of his decision making, he?s a very creative guy.?
Pronman?s thoughts: Amirov is a very dynamic forward, one with tremendous skating and skill whose skill set will translate into a quality top-six forward. He?s looked excellent going into the new season and looks like he can be a driver at the pro level. He will take another year or so in Russia likely before coming to Toronto. He adds a skating dynamic to the Leafs? pipeline that a lot of their top youngsters don?t have.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:44:14 PM
Bob McKenzie: "he wasn't in our top 93... that doesn't make him a bad pick..."Yes it does lol. It means you could have picked him up in the 20th round lol.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:45:36 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.
I feel like Mavrik Bourque or Hendrix Lapierre would have been the Leafs picks as "best CHL centre available" and neither of them have gone yet which might indicate the gap between Amirov and those guys.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:46:06 PM
I assume that?s GuhleMaple Leafs slammed for passing on Schneider and Greig, 4 picks later, both players still on the board and every pick since widely praised. 🤔
— Thomas Drance (@ThomasDrance) October 7, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:46:13 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:47:23 PM
And as I say that...
Lapierre has a concussion risk unfortunately.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:47:46 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:49:36 PM
I've been watching the Sportsnet broadcast all night and in no way would I describe the reaction to the Amirov pick as the Leafs being "slammed". They basically talked about it the way they did every pick.
This might be in reference to a Twitter response (Colaiacovo for example) and everyone sort of has a different curation. My timeline is ecstatic.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 09:50:03 PM
Updated with a transcript from Kyle Dubas on drafting Rodion Amirov 👇#leafs #LeafsForever https://t.co/eghZREnIKc
— Maple Leafs Hotstove (@LeafsNews) October 7, 2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:51:02 PM
No Greig is a guy too.I assume that?s GuhleMaple Leafs slammed for passing on Schneider and Greig, 4 picks later, both players still on the board and every pick since widely praised. 🤔
— Thomas Drance (@ThomasDrance) October 7, 2020
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:51:58 PM
No Greig is a guy too.I assume that?s GuhleMaple Leafs slammed for passing on Schneider and Greig, 4 picks later, both players still on the board and every pick since widely praised. 🤔
— Thomas Drance (@ThomasDrance) October 7, 2020
The guy projected for the second round?
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:53:12 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.
I feel like Mavrik Bourque or Hendrix Lapierre would have been the Leafs picks as "best CHL centre available" and neither of them have gone yet which might indicate the gap between Amirov and those guys.
I think Zary was where I was leaning but in large part because I think the Leafs prospect system needs an injection of some safe-ish talent that solves an issue if the pick plays out. I think it's fair to say that since the Leafs' pick a lot of teams haven't looked for the safe option.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:55:16 PM
Colaiacovo has some weird takes on players.I've been watching the Sportsnet broadcast all night and in no way would I describe the reaction to the Amirov pick as the Leafs being "slammed". They basically talked about it the way they did every pick.
This might be in reference to a Twitter response (Colaiacovo for example) and everyone sort of has a different curation. My timeline is ecstatic.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:56:15 PM
I guess. I didn't hear them getting slammed or who was involved.No Greig is a guy too.I assume that?s GuhleMaple Leafs slammed for passing on Schneider and Greig, 4 picks later, both players still on the board and every pick since widely praised. 🤔
— Thomas Drance (@ThomasDrance) October 7, 2020
The guy projected for the second round?
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:56:55 PM
Seriously, 99% of the stuff in between the picks is just straight up nonsense. Is there really not enough hockey to talk about?
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 06, 2020, 09:58:48 PM
I generally don't know what I'm supposed to do with the fact that the Flyer's draft pick's parents work at the Honda factory at Alliston and how that makes them a traditional hardworking hockey family.I guess not. 5 mins between picks is waaaay too long.
Seriously, 99% of the stuff in between the picks is just straight up nonsense. Is there really not enough hockey to talk about?
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 09:59:01 PM
I generally don't know what I'm supposed to do with the fact that the Flyer's draft pick's parents work at the Honda factory at Alliston and how that makes them a traditional hardworking hockey family.
Seriously, 99% of the stuff in between the picks is just straight up nonsense. Is there really not enough hockey to talk about?
He catches fish though. I?m not sure if that is more indicative of NHL superstardom or if it is solving a Rubik?s cube?
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 09:59:38 PM
I think the thing about Amirov isn't so much a need/BPA thing, it's "Safe/Risky" thing. The way I'm reading it, this sounds like a riskier pick than I would have liked just in terms of this guy being a bit of an unknown. I still would have leaned best CHL centre available but it's not something to get worked up about.
I feel like Mavrik Bourque or Hendrix Lapierre would have been the Leafs picks as "best CHL centre available" and neither of them have gone yet which might indicate the gap between Amirov and those guys.
I think Zary was where I was leaning but in large part because I think the Leafs prospect system needs an injection of some safe-ish talent that solves an issue if the pick plays out. I think it's fair to say that since the Leafs' pick a lot of teams haven't looked for the safe option.
Amirov actually looks pretty safe for a 'skill' pick. Most of him is quite developed already offensively and defensively. The scouting reports suggest speed could improve and strength. He's already doing well against KHL opposition.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 09:59:45 PM
Post by: Andy on October 06, 2020, 10:01:18 PM
Cutting edge analysis, Sportsnet, cutting edge
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:02:56 PM
Amirov actually looks pretty safe for a 'skill' pick. Most of him is quite developed already offensively and defensively. The scouting reports suggest speed could improve and strength. He's already doing well against KHL opposition.
I'm always going to be a little skeptical about the "safety" of any pick from Europe where the message is "Don't worry about the fact that his scoring numbers are terrible in his draft year because he's playing against adults" because it probably means you're basing your in-game scouting on 3rd/4th line minutes as well as just the general scouting gap between CHL players and overseas guys.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:05:26 PM
I think Zary was where I was leaning but in large part because I think the Leafs prospect system needs an injection of some safe-ish talent that solves an issue if the pick plays out. I think it's fair to say that since the Leafs' pick a lot of teams haven't looked for the safe option.
Zary would have been an interesting pick, yeah. Pronman had him ranked 11th. Calgary seemed to do well getting him while trading down twice.
I will say I have seen the word "safe" used with Amirov quite a few times in scouting reports. He seems to have a pretty solid all around game that will hopefully mean he's likely to make the NHL at some level of the line-up. I get he's not a centre but it's not like our wing prospect depth is all that great and when guys like Hyman and Johnsson and maybe even Mikheyev all depart the team in the next few years Amirov sounds like a guy in the Hyman/Robertson mould that will mesh well in our top-9.
A centre who could also move to wing if need be would sure have been nice, but Carolina probably screwed the Leafs plans in that regard.
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 10:09:50 PM
Even the NBC feed barely talked about him.I just saw the instant analysis on TSN and they said he's smallish. Wtf. The kid is 6 feet tall so what are they talking about? I didn't hear Burke or others say anything about the smaller guys that went before him. Must be a Leaf thing. Sad.
No it?s literally because the kid is Russian and they have no information.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 10:10:05 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:11:51 PM
I get he's not a centre but it's not like our wing prospect depth is all that great and when guys like Hyman and Johnsson and maybe even Mikheyev all depart the team in the next few years Amirov sounds like a guy in the Hyman/Robertson mould that will mesh well in our top-9.
Our wing prospect base isn't great but that's in large part because it's where the team itself is strongest with a lot of good young players. And, sure, some of them may move on within the next few years but that's where I get back to it being the easiest position to fill via free agency, especially when in a lot of situations the team's need is going to be "Who can be a contributor to this already stacked line" as opposed to needing to find someone to build a line around.
So it could be a good pick, I just don't think it's the direction I'd have gone in.
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 10:12:28 PM
Mukhamadullin. That?s quite the name.Was looking at Amirov's Hockeydb and they're on the same team. Good point totals by Mukhamadullin.
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 10:13:46 PM
The panel saying "If you like your guy, go get him" and all but crazy to think you couldn't have traded down and picked up some stuff for a guy ranked as a 4th rounder in most places.Yeah I mean they could've traded down a crap ton of times and doubled their draft capital.
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:17:56 PM
Well, I like Anaheim's draft.
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 10:20:19 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:25:33 PM
Post by: L K on October 06, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
That doesn't look like a socially distanced household.
COVID doesn?t exist in Alb-merica
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:33:12 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:34:07 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:34:40 PM
But no, I'm sure it's that other guys get lost on the way to dressing rooms.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:35:49 PM
Sandin played in the NHL in his D+2 season. Robertson looks like he'll be playing in the NHL in his D+2 season. Wouldn't be stunned if Amirov followed that trend in 21/22. He's one of the oldest players from this draft, he plays an all-around game, and he'll have two season of professional hockey against men under his belt.
Burning ELCs with short, short jaunts like Nylander's first is probably better for our cap situation going forward.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 10:37:25 PM
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:41:49 PM
The Sharks director of amateur scouting is Doug Wilson Jr.
What a remarkable coincidence.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:50:35 PM
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 10:53:05 PM
Dubas on whether #Leafs were close to moving No. 15: "There were a number of trade situations that we were considering, but if we were going to make the pick, it wasn't at all a discussion of Rodion versus anybody else."
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020
Dubas on what #Leafs liked about Rodion Amirov: "His speed. We considered it to be amongst the best in the class. We liked his ability to find a way to make an impact at the KHL level. We like his game on and off the puck."
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020
Post by: Nik on October 06, 2020, 10:57:21 PM
Well, my hopes at 44 are one of Foudy, Sourdif or Poirier.
Post by: princedpw on October 06, 2020, 11:03:59 PM
Bob McKenzie: "it's not a good year for Americans"... he was talking about their lack of top prospects in this draft but I wonder if that was referring to other things as well.
Lol
Post by: Bender on October 06, 2020, 11:07:21 PM
Meaning he intended to take Rodion regardless of where he was picking? Makes me think he was probably going in the next pick or two.Dubas on whether #Leafs were close to moving No. 15: "There were a number of trade situations that we were considering, but if we were going to make the pick, it wasn't at all a discussion of Rodion versus anybody else."
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020Dubas on what #Leafs liked about Rodion Amirov: "His speed. We considered it to be amongst the best in the class. We liked his ability to find a way to make an impact at the KHL level. We like his game on and off the puck."
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 11:27:08 PM
Don’t forget about Korshkov and SDA. https://t.co/Ltkw3QV6tS
— Dan Milstein-Hockey (@HockeyAgent1) October 7, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2020, 11:28:33 PM
Kekalainen said there were chances to move back but if you have the opportunity to take a guy high on your list, you do that. Chinakhov was in the team’s top 10. #CBJ
— Alison (@AlisonL) October 7, 2020
Man this guy better come through for Columbus.
Post by: herman on October 06, 2020, 11:39:19 PM
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 06, 2020, 11:52:21 PM
Bob McKenzie: "it's not a good year for Americans"... he was talking about their lack of top prospects in this draft but I wonder if that was referring to other things as well.
No shit.
Post by: louisstamos on October 07, 2020, 12:53:17 AM
Rodion Amirov is looking for a home for a stray kitten. He's asking @hcsalavat fans to apply to adopt "Yulaeka," and he promises a ticket to the upcoming Red Army game. If you send him photo/video updates every 3 months, you'll get more tix. After 1 year, a stick. #nhldraft2020 pic.twitter.com/6LANb9HkSS
— Gillian Kemmerer (@gilliankemmerer) October 3, 2020
Welp - I'm a fan!
Post by: Arn on October 07, 2020, 05:48:21 AM
This one was one of my favourites
who the fuck is this?
— Gens (@GensNation35) October 7, 2020
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 07:32:07 AM
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
I read the responses to the Leafs tweet announcing this selection and I genuinely think of the ~100 I managed to cope with reading 2 of them were less than murderous rage of anger at the selection.As if those upset fans would have recognized anyone taken at #15. They wanted to hear "at number 15 the Leafs are proud to select from the St Louis Blues Alex Pietrangelo!"
This one was one of my favouriteswho the fuck is this?
— Gens (@GensNation35) October 7, 2020
Panel: "wait is this allowed? Oh my Leafs just selected Pietrangelo 12 years after his draft year! Have they found an NHL loophole??!"
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 08:19:17 AM
Colaiacovo has some weird takes on players.
He had a decent start in the media world as a fresh faced former player but he's pretty much devolved into the standard Toronto media personality who says things like "I don't know anything about the player they just drafted but I can tell you it was a bad pick" and then get miffed when people call that stupid.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 08:43:19 AM
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Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 09:03:31 AM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for funCorey Pronman's mock has the #Leafs taking:
— Kyle Cushman (@Kyle_Cush) October 1, 2020
15. Rodion Amirov
44. Lukas Cormier
106. Alexander Pashin
122. Theo Rochette
153. Taylor Gauthier
168. Yaroslav Likhachyov
177. David Ma
180. Patrick Guay
189. Veeti Miettinen
195. Alex Young
212. Brett Brochu
I would love this draft
1/1 so far.
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 09:10:22 AM
https://theathletic.com/2090914/2020/10/01/nhl-mock-draft-2020-corey-pronman-projects-all-seven-rounds/
Corey Pronman just runs the full draft himself for funCorey Pronman's mock has the #Leafs taking:
— Kyle Cushman (@Kyle_Cush) October 1, 2020
15. Rodion Amirov
44. Lukas Cormier
106. Alexander Pashin
122. Theo Rochette
153. Taylor Gauthier
168. Yaroslav Likhachyov
177. David Ma
180. Patrick Guay
189. Veeti Miettinen
195. Alex Young
212. Brett Brochu
I would love this draft
1/1 so far.
I'll be amazed if he's close to the mark, difficult to predict what each team will take in all those spots and who's available for Leafs.
Post by: KadriFan on October 07, 2020, 09:12:41 AM
Looking back at the top of the draft for a moment, it always confused me that there was really any debate around who LA might pick at 2: Byfield or Stutzle. Before I really looked into the prospect group this year very much I knew that Byfield was generally speaking the concensus #2 so when Stutzle entered into the conversation I assumed that it was him who was the big centre and that's why LA would have been more interested. But Byfield is the big (and very skilled) C and Stutzle is the smaller offensive winger. If LA did do a lot of flip-flopping on that pick I wonder what the reasoning was.
I read someplace that Stutzle plays center. Some wing...
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
Looking back at the top of the draft for a moment, it always confused me that there was really any debate around who LA might pick at 2: Byfield or Stutzle. Before I really looked into the prospect group this year very much I knew that Byfield was generally speaking the concensus #2 so when Stutzle entered into the conversation I assumed that it was him who was the big centre and that's why LA would have been more interested. But Byfield is the big (and very skilled) C and Stutzle is the smaller offensive winger. If LA did do a lot of flip-flopping on that pick I wonder what the reasoning was.
Stutzle plays for the team in the DEL, Adler Mannheim, that is owned by the LA Kings' parent company.
Edit: AEG owns Eisbaren Berlin, so why am I propagating this. Maybe it's just, AEG owns a DEL team, the league where Tim Stutzle plays. There.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:23:12 AM
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Milstein also noted Amirov is actually closer to 6-foot-1 and 185 pounds ? not the 6-foot, 167 pounds the NHL has him listed at.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 09:23:13 AM
We’ve got 10 picks on day 2 of the #NHLDraft!
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 7, 2020
Follow along 👇
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A reminder for anyone wondering when the Leafs next picks are.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 10:41:49 AM
New Post: Revisiting the Leafs' Rodion Amirov pick, and why I would've been wrong to pass him up at 15th overall.https://t.co/9ZCJ2z8STa
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) October 7, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 10:50:05 AM
New Post: Revisiting the Leafs' Rodion Amirov pick, and why I would've been wrong to pass him up at 15th overall.https://t.co/9ZCJ2z8STa
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) October 7, 2020
Good article. I have to think that the signability factor is less of an issue with Milstein and the fact that Amirov isn't locked into a long contract in the KHL.
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 07, 2020, 11:17:05 AM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 11:20:04 AM
Any thoughts about how high Robertson would have been drafted this year if he had been born a week later in 2001?
15th overall.
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 11:21:13 AM
Lanny should be the next Governor-General.He is too involved in running his families brewery in White Fish, Montana.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 11:29:26 AM
New Post: Revisiting the Leafs' Rodion Amirov pick, and why I would've been wrong to pass him up at 15th overall.https://t.co/9ZCJ2z8STa
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) October 7, 2020
Good article. I have to think that the signability factor is less of an issue with Milstein and the fact that Amirov isn't locked into a long contract in the KHL.
Yeah, I mean relationships with agents can be volatile over time but it seems like the Leafs have a good relationship with Milstein and his clients right now. They have treated their players well. Things like Dubas staying with Mikheyev after his injury go a long way to building trust with an agent for his future clients. I wouldn't be shocked if he comes to NA next year when his contract is up...I also wouldn't be shocked if he stays in Europe/Asia for another year.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 11:35:31 AM
He comes off as a clown sometimes with his stupid comments. One of his latest is the Leafs need to play hardball with Mikheyev. No way you can pay this guy 3 mill or whatever stupid number he pulled out of mid air. Um, no kidding and the Leafs aren't going to offer him that so get off your rant and sit down.Colaiacovo has some weird takes on players.
He had a decent start in the media world as a fresh faced former player but he's pretty much devolved into the standard Toronto media personality who says things like "I don't know anything about the player they just drafted but I can tell you it was a bad pick" and then get miffed when people call that stupid.
Post by: Groundskeeper Willie on October 07, 2020, 11:57:14 AM
Edit: sorry that was in response to the Robertson question
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:00:00 PM
Somebody at the athletic said he would have been pushing top ten this year
Robertson outscored Jack Quinn in far fewer games played (55G/86PTs in 46GP vs 52G/89PTs in 62GP). They're about 1 week apart (Sept 11 vs Sept 19).
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:16:21 PM
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Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:24:05 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:24:57 PM
I'm all aboard the Niemela train
Or Foudy!
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:26:20 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:32:28 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:35:40 PM
TOR trading down with OTT
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) October 7, 2020
Toronto trades No. 44 to Ottawa for Nos. 59 and 64.
— Chris Johnston (@reporterchris) October 7, 2020
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:36:05 PM
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Post by: KadriFan on October 07, 2020, 12:40:51 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:41:02 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 12:44:14 PM
44 - Tyler Kleven
Tyler Kleven (44th, OTT): Offensive stats are probably inflated on the NTDP, but he has a big shot. Rush stopper. Among the worst transition players I tracked this season. pic.twitter.com/qEv4NZ59M6
— Mitch Brown (@MitchLBrown) October 7, 2020
On the NHL Network broadcast, they mentioned Tyler Kleven is Jake Sanderson's roommate
— Paul (@PaulGb_) October 7, 2020
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 12:47:11 PM
44 - Tyler KlevenTyler Kleven (44th, OTT): Offensive stats are probably inflated on the NTDP, but he has a big shot. Rush stopper. Among the worst transition players I tracked this season. pic.twitter.com/qEv4NZ59M6
— Mitch Brown (@MitchLBrown) October 7, 2020On the NHL Network broadcast, they mentioned Tyler Kleven is Jake Sanderson's roommate
— Paul (@PaulGb_) October 7, 2020
He's big and skates well. Not a bad selection for them given it was their 4th pick in the top 44.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:00:52 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:04:51 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:12:58 PM
44 for 59 and 64. I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here. Not sure I'm a huge fan.
I see where you're coming from, but the Leafs pick was also in the part of the draft where the perceived quality difference between large groups of potential draftees is minimal. Some guys are going to be better known, but not necessarily of significantly better potential.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:16:15 PM
44 for 59 and 64. I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here. Not sure I'm a huge fan.
I see where you're coming from, but the Leafs pick was also in the part of the draft where the perceived quality difference between large groups of potential draftees is minimal. Some guys are going to be better known, but not necessarily of significantly better potential.
That's entirely fair. And seeing as the guy I wanted them to take is still on the board and we are 5 picks away maybe it ends up being the right move anyway.
Post by: azzurri63 on October 07, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 01:21:09 PM
44 for 59 and 64. I mean I guess we get an extra pick but there are some good guys on the board here. Not sure I'm a huge fan.
I see where you're coming from, but the Leafs pick was also in the part of the draft where the perceived quality difference between large groups of potential draftees is minimal. Some guys are going to be better known, but not necessarily of significantly better potential.
That's entirely fair. And seeing as the guy I wanted them to take is still on the board and we are 5 picks away maybe it ends up being the right move anyway.
I'm all aboard the Niemela trainI like him too.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:25:59 PM
I'm all aboard the Niemela trainI like him too.
I'd like to see Poirier and/or Cormier as Leaf picks.
Post by: Deebo on October 07, 2020, 01:30:41 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:32:13 PM
Tuch
Mysak
I am lol
Post by: louisstamos on October 07, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 01:36:30 PM
Poirier and Daws for me.I think Daws can be had later but I'd have no problem drafting him.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:37:24 PM
Interesting.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:38:48 PM
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 164 lbs
Interesting.
Probably not a good long-term strategy but if Dubas is doing this specifically to get under the skin of his critics... I approve.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:39:34 PM
Roni Hirvonen 5'9 164 lbs
Interesting.
Small two-way defensively reliable C with 2nd line upside (based on the little reading I just did).
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:40:06 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Future consideration's had him ranked 22nd.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:41:48 PM
Roni Hirvonen becomes the first ever player to get drafted to the NHL during a pro hockey game he's playing in. Hirvonen is currently playing in Finnish Liiga vs. HPK. #Ässät #Liiga #NHLfi
— Miika Arponen (@MiikaArponen) October 7, 2020
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2020, 01:42:16 PM
Post by: lamajama on October 07, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/106PwpLIIXJnXi/giphy.gif)
Aw man thanks for the laugh. That's perfect ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:46:06 PM
NYR trades Lias Andersson to LA for this next pick.
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) October 7, 2020
Hmmm I probably would have done that.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 01:48:14 PM
NYR trades Lias Andersson to LA for this next pick.
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) October 7, 2020
Hmmm I probably would have done that.
Yeah. Feels like a reasonable gamble.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:54:11 PM
Mercifully, the second round is over after only two hours 23 minutes.
— Kevin McGran (@kevin_mcgran) October 7, 2020
That's insane.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 01:57:01 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 01:58:20 PM
#Leafs select RD Topi Niemela (Karpat) https://t.co/YEOKZ8FA8p
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020
Guess how big he is lol
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 01:58:40 PM
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 02:00:06 PM
HAHAHAHAHA
Are we happy with this?
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2020, 02:00:32 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
HAHAHAHAHA
Are we happy with this?
LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:01:41 PM
Hirvonen and Niemela two really solid value picks for the Leafs at this late stage. Had them at No. 39 and No. 41 respectively on my board.
— Chris Peters (@chrismpeters) October 7, 2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:03:41 PM
Leafs take 156-pound right-shooting Finnish D Topi Niemela with the 64th pick.
— Jonas Siegel (@jonassiegel) October 7, 2020
Here's @coreypronman who had him ranked 41st overall: pic.twitter.com/G0vWlgIY5g
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:04:08 PM
HAHAHAHAHA
Are we happy with this?
LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.
I talked about wanting him a couple months ago and I?m an excessive tmlfans poster
Finnish RD Sandin with more D and less O
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 02:10:10 PM
HAHAHAHAHA
Are we happy with this?
LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.
I already got off the phone with Kyle. We are going to start a new offseason training program. All of our players will be taking Weight Gain 4000. BEEFCAKE.
Post by: lamajama on October 07, 2020, 02:19:05 PM
NYR trades Lias Andersson to LA for this next pick.
— Elliotte Friedman (@FriedgeHNIC) October 7, 2020
Hmmm I probably would have done that.
Yeah. Feels like a reasonable gamble.
You guys are ON FIRE ;D ;D
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 02:19:12 PM
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 02:22:25 PM
HAHAHAHAHA
Are we happy with this?
LK talked about wanting him earlier and he's a doctor.
I already got off the phone with Kyle. We are going to start a new offseason training program. All of our players will be taking Weight Gain 4000. BEEFCAKE.
Steroids. It's working for Trump, he's bodyslamming Covid donchaknow.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:22:31 PM
Poirier goes at 72 to CGY
— Bob McKenzie (@TSNBobMcKenzie) October 7, 2020
Calgary got this pick from trading down a bit in the first round. To still get the guy they probably wanted in the 1st round (Zary) and him is some pretty good work.
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 02:25:00 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:26:36 PM
I thought Bob retired?
Semi-retired.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
I thought Bob retired?
Semi-retired. They still wheel him out for the big stuff. He was actually on NBC's draft show last night.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:28:09 PM
https://dobberprospects.com/prospect-deep-dive-topi-niemela/
I like this kid and he might be available in our slot (#38 on Bob’s list)
Very approximately a right shot Finnish Sandin that got lots of Liiga games at 17
Younger half of the draft class and low boxcar stats could help him fly under the radar.
Yay!
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:30:41 PM
Yes, but Seth Jarvis for Patrick Marleau and Jean-Luc Foudy for Tyson Barrie is blah :)The Leafs have gone for well-rounded players who are relatively safe bets. Haven't gone all out for upside, but they have stars, and they don't need to.
— Kevin Papetti (@KPapetti) October 7, 2020
Turning pick 44 into both Hirvonen and Niemela is fantastic. Both would have been respectable picks as early as 25 or so.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:31:31 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:35:16 PM
Yes, but Seth Jarvis for Patrick Marleau and Jean-Luc Foudy for Tyson Barrie is blah :)
Ah yeah that Jarvis pick could sting. Stupid Carolina. We already gifted them Aho.
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 02:35:47 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?
They're gonna still be drafting by this time next year.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 02:36:09 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?make it 3 or 4 hours lol
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:36:43 PM
We've been through 43 picks in 2 hours, 36 minutes.
— Ben Pope (@BenPopeCST) October 7, 2020
There are still 142 picks to go. By my math, that's another eight hours or so to go, which would put this over at 10:30pm ET.
I'm sure it'll speed up somewhat, but that's absurd.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:40:12 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 02:41:08 PM
Anton Johannesson pls when I check back in after 2 hours?
We don't draft until for another 20 picks. That's at least another 4 hours away.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:42:18 PM
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 02:42:47 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 02:43:26 PM
5 goalies picked now, still no Daws.
I think he'll go in the later rounds, but it actually wouldn't shock me if he goes undrafted, all things considered.
EDIT: Of course, the Devils have to go and do that.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:46:03 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.
Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:46:47 PM
Rodion Amirov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKf_pni8vus) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/rodion-amirov-selected-15th-overall-by-the-toronto-maple-leafs/)
Roni Hirvonen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKgl-3u1lM) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-roni-hirvonen-with-the-59th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Topi Niemela (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-topi-niemela-with-the-64th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Post by: Andy on October 07, 2020, 02:47:46 PM
I do usually like Pronman though so good to see his praises.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 02:48:59 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.
Question marks about his defense?
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 02:49:49 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.
Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.
Is it though? It feels like every year there's a high scoring defenseman who drops like this because scouts in the 2nd round want a Luke Schenn safe-type of defensive defenseman and guys like Girard and Kylington drop and then they're in the NHL two years later.
Post by: Andy on October 07, 2020, 02:54:51 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 02:56:24 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.
Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.
Is it though? It feels like every year there's a high scoring defenseman who drops like this because scouts in the 2nd round want a Luke Schenn safe-type of defensive defenseman and guys like Girard and Kylington drop and then they're in the NHL two years later.
Even in those cases they only dropped to the 2nd round, but I guess there isn't much of a difference there. Girard also had size issues while Kylington playing in Sweden may have hurt him. Poirier's got pretty good size and point up a ton of points in the CHL.
But yeah I shouldn't be that surprised to see GMs pass on his style of play. I guess we'll have to check back on him vs. Topi in a few years.
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:00:12 PM
I really, really don't get passing on Poirier twice. It's like this team is determined to make the Samuel Girard mistake over and over.
Very weird he dropped as much as he did. Almost everyone had him going in the 1st round.
Is it though? It feels like every year there's a high scoring defenseman who drops like this because scouts in the 2nd round want a Luke Schenn safe-type of defensive defenseman and guys like Girard and Kylington drop and then they're in the NHL two years later.
Even in those cases they only dropped to the 2nd round, but I guess there isn't much of a difference there. Girard also had size issues while Kylington playing in Sweden may have hurt him. Poirier's got pretty good size and point up a ton of points in the CHL.
But yeah I shouldn't be that surprised to see GMs pass on his style of play. I guess we'll have to check back on him vs. Topi in a few years.
It'll be the new Korshkov vs. ? comparison.
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:00:40 PM
I'd genuinely love for Dubas to shut me up with all the really good pros his drafts are producing but, well, you all see what the system looks like.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:08:56 PM
I don't know. This feels like yet another year where Dubas is trying to outsmart the draft and I'm coming away from it with a similar feeling to what I've had in prior years.
I'd genuinely love for Dubas to shut me up with all the really good pros his drafts are producing but, well, you all see what the system looks like.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and only count the 2018 draft and onward as truly Dubas' drafts as he was clearly voted down on a few picks so I'm only going to hold him to what he has done. It really only gives him two years where he ran the show so far and there are some interesting players in the system but its way too early to say one way or the other on some of these guys.
Post by: cabber24 on October 07, 2020, 03:10:07 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:12:39 PM
I don't know. This feels like yet another year where Dubas is trying to outsmart the draft and I'm coming away from it with a similar feeling to what I've had in prior years.
I'd genuinely love for Dubas to shut me up with all the really good pros his drafts are producing but, well, you all see what the system looks like.
I'm liking the look of his '19 draft a lot more than the '18. He obviously nailed his 1st picks in both, but I think Abramov and Abruzzese are the best of the bunch after that.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 03:13:17 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 03:13:49 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 03:15:18 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.
I'm rooting for him
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:16:54 PM
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and only count the 2018 draft and onward as truly Dubas' drafts as he was clearly voted down on a few picks so I'm only going to hold him to what he has done. It really only gives him two years where he ran the show so far and there are some interesting players in the system but its way too early to say one way or the other on some of these guys.
I mean, there are some people who try and give Dubas credit for every good pick the team made going back to William Nylander so I'm not sure the "You can only judge him since 2018" thing entirely works for me but either way I just personally haven't walked away from any of this team's drafts since he's been with the team thinking "Man, we really did that one."
Now, I'm no draft expert and I always can be proven wrong but that's just my feelings on things and, you know, not proven wrong yet.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 03:23:50 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.
I'm rooting for him
He's a good story, too. I just love that his name is basically Grampa Wisdom.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:26:48 PM
I mean, there are some people who try and give Dubas credit for every good pick the team made going back to William Nylander so I'm not sure the "You can only judge him since 2018" thing entirely works for me but either way I just personally haven't walked away from any of this team's drafts since he's been with the team thinking "Man, we really did that one."
Now, I'm no draft expert and I always can be proven wrong but that's just my feelings on things and, you know, not proven wrong yet.
I mean I get what you're saying with the Dubas thing and I'm sure I've been guilty of that myself, but I feel like it's basically been established through the media that the 2015 draft was a dual effort between Hunter and Dubas, then the 2016 and 2017 drafts Lou gave Hunter full control, and then obviously from 2018 and on it was Dubas and his guys. I don't think that's really a controversial take on how things went down.
That does mean you can probably blame Dubas on the Leafs passing on Konecny and ending up with Dermott/Bracco instead. edit: and also Dermott over Aho possibly.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:31:27 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:32:47 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?
I mean I'd expect as much from a 29 year old.
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:33:54 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?
Well, he's 37 years old now, so it's even more impressive to me.
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:34:27 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:34:30 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?
I mean I'd expect as much from a 29 year old.
At his current 1 GPG pace, 86 more games and he catches up to DiBrinicat's 87 goals.
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 03:34:56 PM
Great, thanks busta & CTB. Bob's a bright spot in the punditosphere.I thought Bob retired?
Semi-retired. They still wheel him out for the big stuff. He was actually on NBC's draft show last night.
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:35:54 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?
Seriously though. As soon as some of our picks turn into really high contributing NHLers I will be the happiest guy to say I was wrong.
Just for all the talk about what's been added to the organization over the last five years in the way of scouting/analytic information, I think the team's record is sort of bad considering. Now, maybe it's unfair of me to put that on Dubas vs. Shanahan but I do think we're still staring into the teeth of the hard reality on the ground.
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 03:36:41 PM
Damn it, Carlton!
You get slower as you enter middle age. Except for Korshkov, apparently.
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 07, 2020, 03:39:27 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.
I'm rooting for him
Is that a dental joke?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:41:55 PM
At 106, #Leafs take Russian G Artur Akhtyamov.
— Terry Koshan (@koshtorontosun) October 7, 2020
A Russian goalie! Just like what we all wanted!
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 03:42:08 PM
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 07, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
The Flyers jsut drafted the best name in the draft (for those of us that had a little Yiddish in our lives): Zayde Wisdom.
I'm rooting for him
Is that a dental joke?
Woah, woah, woah. Nobody has been proven to be an anti-dentite here.
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 07, 2020, 03:43:18 PM
Artur Akhtyamov: who dis
!Yaroslav_Askarov
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 03:43:27 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Topi Niemela on what he knows about #Leafs: "Toronto is Original Six team and they have won 13 Stanley Cups. There are many great players now and Mikko Lehtonen is also there." Called Lehtonen "an unbelievable player."
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020
Topi read Toronto's wikipedia entry before his media call.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:45:49 PM
Korshkov is PPG in the KHL this year at least?
Seriously though. As soon as some of our picks turn into really high contributing NHLers I will be the happiest guy to say I was wrong.
Just for all the talk about what's been added to the organization over the last five years in the way of scouting/analytic information, I think the team's record is sort of bad considering. Now, maybe it's unfair of me to put that on Dubas vs. Shanahan but I do think we're still staring into the teeth of the hard reality on the ground.
That's absolutely fair. We have been pretty good with our first round picks and really don't have a lot to show outside of the first round. That doesn't speak super highly to our scouting team. We have no cap space and need to have a steady stream of guys coming in and thus far the Leafs over the last few years just haven't found guys to step in to those roles. Maybe some of the picks from the last 2-3 years pull forward but results are going to have to come soon to help the roster.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
Post by: Frank E on October 07, 2020, 03:51:51 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.
Dan Milstein. What do I win?
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 03:52:37 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:52:55 PM
0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games
Yarosalv Askarov 2.37 GAA .921 SV% in 31 MHL games
2.46 GAA .918 SV% in 20 VHL games
Clearly we got the better goaltending prospect
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 03:54:38 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games
Yarosalv Askarov 2.37 GAA .921 SV% in 31 MHL games
2.46 GAA .918 SV% in 20 VHL games
Clearly we got the better goaltending prospect
I'm not gonna lie, this is kind of intriguing.
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 03:55:15 PM
Tretiak would approve this message.Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games
Yarosalv Askarov 2.37 GAA .921 SV% in 31 MHL games
2.46 GAA .918 SV% in 20 VHL games
Clearly we got the better goaltending prospect
I'm not gonna lie, this is kind of intriguing.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 03:57:52 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.
Dan Milstein. What do I win?
A piece of paper that says "good job" on it. I just threw it outside I'm sure the wind will carry it to you soon.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 03:58:47 PM
You'll never guess who Akhtyamov's agent is.
Dan Milstein. What do I win?
Maybe it's actually Darren Ferris
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 04:00:28 PM
In terms of the vaguely Jewish names of the night, Zion Nybeck, just picked by Carolina, is a strong showing. Especially as he's 5'6, 182.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:03:33 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games
His MHL numbers are very good. Better than Samsonov and Sorokin at the same ages. Not quite as good as Shesterkin though. Russian goalies are weird but if you draft one a year for awhile one is bound to turn out good.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:05:09 PM
In terms of the vaguely Jewish names of the night, Zion Nybeck, just picked by Carolina, is a strong showing. Especially as he's 5'6, 182.
That's like my H/W ratio (pear shaped)
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:08:57 PM
Artur Akhtyamov 2.05 GAA .925 SV% in 103 MHL games
0.98 GAA .957 SV% in 4 VHL games
His MHL numbers are very good. Better than Samsonov and Sorokin at the same ages. Not quite as good as Shesterkin though. Russian goalies are weird but if you draft one a year for awhile one is bound to turn out good.
He's stuck behind Timur Bilyalov starting for Ak Bars Kazan. There were reports of the Leafs interested in looking at him as an undrafted free agent goalie (had a 1.45 GAA .943 SV% last year).
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:11:13 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:12:23 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:12:52 PM
We drafted a giant
Post by: Nik on October 07, 2020, 04:13:13 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:13:56 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.
Actually Poirier's teammate too.
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 04:15:20 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:16:34 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:16:42 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.
Actually Poirier's teammate too.
I wonder why Future Considerations has him ranked 50 while everyone else is in the 100s
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:17:58 PM
Post by: Rob on October 07, 2020, 04:18:38 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:18:45 PM
3 picks in Rd 6
3 picks in Rd 7
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
All is forgiven Dubas. High scoring QMJHL defenseman. My heavy heart is soothed.
Actually Poirier's teammate too.
I wonder why Future Considerations has him ranked 50 while everyone else is in the 100s
I'm actually confused as to how differently him and Poirier were rated. Villeneuve outscored him on the same team (V had a lot more assists, P had a lot more goals) and he's just based on some quick reads he actually has a defensive game as well which Poirier apparently does not.
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 04:19:39 PM
William Villeneuve at 175 pounds 6'1Does he come with his own beanstalk?
We drafted a giant
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:20:23 PM
William Villeneuve at 175 pounds 6'1
We drafted a giant
Must be a Hunter pick.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:23:06 PM
I'm actually confused as to how differently him and Poirier were rated. Villeneuve outscored him on the same team (V had a lot more assists, P had a lot more goals) and he's just based on some quick reads he actually has a defensive game as well which Poirier apparently does not.
Not knowing anything about him yet... usually good pairings have one guy stirring the drink
https://www.draftgeek.ca/2020/04/28/william-villeneuve-could-turn-out-to-be-one-of-the-nhl-drafts-top-blueliners/
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His intelligent decision-making and knack for finding space in transition earned him a comparison to Kris Letang by his midget coach, none other than former Toronto Maple Leafs goaltender Felix Potvin, going into that draft.
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2020, 04:25:01 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:25:15 PM
I thought I recognized the name from somewhere...Yesterday I briefly discussed William Villeneuve's style of play.
— Jack Han (@JhanHky) October 7, 2020
He does a lot of the things that TOR like to see from their Dmen.https://t.co/TcVOFsE8EM
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Jeremie Poirier and William Villeneuve
Poirier and Villeneuve, frequent D partners on the Saint John Sea Dogs, are two of the highest-scoring defensemen in the QMJHL. But only one of them should realistically play the position at the pro level.
The right-handed Villeneuve (SNB13) moves well in all directions and is adept at facilitating transition plays. Meanwhile the lefty Poirier (SNB54) prefers to create entries himself and is a shoot-first player in the offensive zone.
In all three zones Villeneuve, though raw and error-prone for now, does the types of things NHL teams look for among their Ds.
In addition to being able to neutralize plays with his positioning, he habitually shoulder-checks to scan the ice for threats and opportunities, an underrated but essential skill for an aspiring NHL blueliner.
Conversely Poirier does not have the defensive skating or scanning habits his partner possesses. He is at his best carrying the puck, leading the rush and shooting from the high slot.
Poirier also has the bad habit of exposing the puck by carrying it in front of him rather than keeping it in his hip pocket - a much smaller problem if he were a dump-and-chase LW rather than a puck-moving D at the pro level.
And thus continues Dubas' quest to collect all the Dermott/Sandin clones of agile play-facilitating (and rush-killing) defensemen.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:26:09 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:27:58 PM
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:31:52 PM
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 04:32:41 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:38:13 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:39:10 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Rodion Amirov (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKf_pni8vus) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/rodion-amirov-selected-15th-overall-by-the-toronto-maple-leafs/)
Roni Hirvonen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKgl-3u1lM) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-roni-hirvonen-with-the-59th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Topi Niemela (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhJkovOKKCo) | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-topi-niemela-with-the-64th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Artur Akhtyamov | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-artur-akhtyamov-with-the-106th-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
William Villenueve | Report (https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/10/07/toronto-maple-leafs-select-william-villeneuve-with-the-122nd-overall-selection-in-the-2020-nhl-draft/)
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:45:57 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOH well
At least it wasn't Carolina.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
Ranked #83 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM
Ranked #59 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Ranked #41 by TSN/CRAIG BUTTON
Ranked #44 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY
Ranked #30 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters)
Ranked #78 by DOBBERPROSPECTS/ROBINSON
Ranked #75 by TSN/McKenzie
Ranked #60 by Pronman
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:56:25 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 04:57:17 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects
Find out who the next best available Russian is:
The draft is still going... #WeAreGoldStar! https://t.co/k0J6QsI348
— Dan Milstein-Hockey (@HockeyAgent1) October 7, 2020
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:57:46 PM
NNNOOOOOOOOOOOH well
At least it wasn't Carolina.
Canes, Kings, and Wild *shakes fist*
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 04:58:44 PM
We’ve acquired the 137th overall pick from Florida in exchange for the 153rd and 212th selections in this year’s #NHLDraft.#LeafsForever
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 7, 2020
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
Haha yup
Leafs use the pick on Russian centre Dmitry Ovchinnikov.
— Jonas Siegel (@jonassiegel) October 7, 2020
Now five picks to go! https://t.co/VDEpMQK27F
Ovchinnikov was the 93rd ranked player on the consolidated board. He's a darling of the more analytical based scouting community, ranked as high as:
— Kyle Cushman (@Kyle_Cush) October 7, 2020
39 - @Dylan_Griffing
60 - @theTonyFerrari
64 - @Scouching
74 - @RecScouting
Once again, a big fan of the pick
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 05:02:55 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects
Find out who the next best available Russian is:The draft is still going... #WeAreGoldStar! https://t.co/k0J6QsI348
— Dan Milstein-Hockey (@HockeyAgent1) October 7, 2020
Is there a bulk discount?
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 05:05:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmr0SiXKJnk
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 05:07:52 PM
Trade up?!We’ve acquired the 137th overall pick from Florida in exchange for the 153rd and 212th selections in this year’s #NHLDraft.#LeafsForever
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 7, 2020
Is this the first time Dubas has traded up?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 05:13:24 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 05:34:54 PM
I liked the Amirov pick, thought the next two were fine, but have really liked the 4th and 5th rounders so far (as much as one can like a 4th or 5th rounder I suppose).I like the picks. I think we may have a few gems in there just like last year. Time will tell.
Post by: Mr. Leaf on October 07, 2020, 05:55:59 PM
Surprisingly there is a Scouching videoThat makes me a little excited to see what Ovchinnikov can turn into!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmr0SiXKJnk
Post by: RedLeaf on October 07, 2020, 05:57:11 PM
And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects
Find out who the next best available Russian is:The draft is still going... #WeAreGoldStar! https://t.co/k0J6QsI348
— Dan Milstein-Hockey (@HockeyAgent1) October 7, 2020
Is there a bulk discount?
The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 05:58:25 PM
They've got Mikheyev and Barabanov!And now I have no more vested interest in individual prospects
Find out who the next best available Russian is:The draft is still going... #WeAreGoldStar! https://t.co/k0J6QsI348
— Dan Milstein-Hockey (@HockeyAgent1) October 7, 2020
Is there a bulk discount?
The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:02:07 PM
5'9 159 lbs
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
Welcome to Leafs Nation, Veeti!#NHLDraft | #LeafsForever pic.twitter.com/8dRFY75tmK
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 7, 2020
Veeti Miettinen is one of my favourite prospects of the draft. He finished 37th on my board. The #Leafs just took him 168th.
— Scott Wheeler (@scottcwheeler) October 7, 2020
And guess what? I just wrote a story on the kid. Here it is, with words from him, staff in Finland, his new coaches at St. Cloud: https://t.co/5KtLZASP1C
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:03:55 PM
The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)Nik Antropov has been interpreting the Zoom meet and greets
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 06:06:57 PM
The Leafs are going to have to hire a Russian speaking coach soon :)Nik Antropov has been interpreting the Zoom meet and greets
A warm welcome to Artur Akhtyamov with a little translation help from Nik Antropov 😀#LeafsForever #NHLDraft pic.twitter.com/Pccgbguvg9
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 7, 2020
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:14:23 PM
6'0 176lbs 20 year old Finnish defenseman
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:15:23 PM
5'9 146 lbs
Youngest kid in the draft - Sept 15, 2002
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 06:15:56 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:25:44 PM
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 07, 2020, 06:29:33 PM
I wonder if the Leafs are thinking that local kids this year might be at a disadvantage as most leagues aren't playing.You might be on to something here.. That could be but I'm pretty sure the Leafs would bring them in for development training.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:30:55 PM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs
Absolutely the youngest possible player
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:32:23 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:38:30 PM
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 06:45:54 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:47:54 PM
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 06:48:02 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 06:48:12 PM
Your final 2020 Draft Class for the Toronto Maple #Leafs:
— Kyle Cushman (@Kyle_Cush) October 7, 2020
15. Rodion Amirov
59. Roni Hirvonen
64. Topi Niemela
106. Artur Akhtyamov
122. William Villeneuve
137. Dmitri Ovchinnikov
168. Veeti Miettinen
177. Axel Rindell
180. Joe Miller
189. John Fusco
195. Wyatt Schingoethe
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 06:48:23 PM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs
Absolutely the youngest possible player
There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.
Post by: L K on October 07, 2020, 07:14:45 PM
Post by: Zee on October 07, 2020, 07:17:57 PM
Post by: bustaheims on October 07, 2020, 07:19:29 PM
#Leafs select C Ryan Tverberg https://t.co/aUNCesUV6v
— Kristen Shilton (@kristen_shilton) October 7, 2020
They certainly stocked the cupboards today. Hopefully, there?s some gems in there.
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 07:31:36 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 07:41:24 PM
Montreal went with:
Tuch
Mysak
I am lol
So I was reading Tuch as Touch, but it?s really Tuck
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 07, 2020, 07:43:04 PM
Montreal went with:
Tuch
Mysak
I am lol
So I was reading Tuch as Touch, but it?s really Tuck
Still works.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 07, 2020, 07:57:34 PM
Small guy
Small guy
Literal child
Small guy
Small guy with a big ass probably
Small guy
Dubas you rascal.
Post by: lamajama on October 07, 2020, 08:49:35 PM
Catching up on the picks I missed since the 5th round.
Small guy
Small guy
Literal child
Small guy
Small guy with a big ass probably
Small guy
Dubas you rascal.
Kyle had better hope for some huge growth spurts. I?m gett8ng pretty annoyed at all the smurfs..
Post by: dintymoore on October 07, 2020, 09:03:49 PM
Catching up on the picks I missed since the 5th round.
Small guy
Small guy
Literal child
Small guy
Small guy with a big ass probably
Small guy
Dubas you rascal.
Dreams of a Quentin Byfield in blue & white
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:05:15 PM
| Round | Pick | Player Name | Position | Draft Year | Height | Weight | League | |||||||
| 1 | 15 | Rodion Amirov | RW | 2020 (D-0) | 6'1" | 182 lbs | KHL | |||||||
| 2 | 59 | Roni Hirvonen | C | 2020 (D-0) | 5'9" | 170 lbs | Liiga | |||||||
| 3 | 64 | Topi Niemela | RD | 2020 (D-0) | 6'0" | 163 lbs | Liiga | |||||||
| 4 | 106 | Artur Akhtyamov | G | 2020 (D-0) | 6'2" | 170 lbs | MHL | |||||||
| 4 | 122 | William Villeneuve | RD | 2020 (D-0) | 6'1" | 181 lbs | QMJHL | |||||||
| 5 | 137 | Dmitri Ovchinnikov | L/C/R | 2020 (D-0) | 5'11" | 163 lbs | KHL | |||||||
| 6 | 168 | Veeti Miettinen | RW | 2020 (D-0) | 5'9" | 159 lbs | Finnish Jr. | |||||||
| 6 | 177 | Axel Rindell | RD | 2018 (D+2) | 6'0" | 176 lbs | Liiga | |||||||
| 6 | 180 | Joe Miller | C/RW | 2020 (D-0) | 5'9" | 146 lbs | USHS | |||||||
| 7 | 189 | John Fusco | RD | 2019 (D+1) | 5'11" | 181 lbs | USHS | |||||||
| 7 | 195 | Wyatt Schingoethe | C | 2020 (D-0) | 5'11" | 201 lbs | USHL | |||||||
| 7 | 213 | Ryan Tverberg | C | 2020 (D-0) | 5'11" | 174 lbs | OJHL |
Added this table to the OP. Wyatt definitely got the booty.
I wasn't sure about Fusco and Tverberg's originating league. They committed to NCAA programs for this season, but are coming out of USHS and OJHL respectively. Either way, there is lots of runway for every pick except Villeneuve (CHL agreement) before they need an ELC tendered or we lose their rights. 7 of our picks are actively playing right now (KHL, Liiga) and the KHL kids are getting more of an opportunity than usual because of the periodic sweeps of COVID exposure that pushes vets into quarantine.
Height and weight measurements might be out of date as there was no draft combine this year. Also, 18 year olds continue to grow into the early 20s. Smaller players excelling currently have room to get even better as they add reach and strength. Players that start big and have that advantage in junior leagues potentially don't translate their skills when everyone else is the same size.
Post by: Bender on October 07, 2020, 09:12:31 PM
Post by: herman on October 07, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
Definitely a curious draft. Very interested in the Russian goalie, wonder if he's our dark horse of the draft.
I'm trying not to put too much stock into MHL save numbers. Apparently everyone there likes to shoot Tyson Barrie style.
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 08, 2020, 06:34:38 AM
Joe Miller
5'9 146 lbs
Absolutely the youngest possible player
There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.
Byfield is almost a full year younger than Lafreniere
Post by: Zee on October 08, 2020, 07:37:55 AM
I really think Byfield is gonna be a beast. Great luck for LAJoe Miller
5'9 146 lbs
Absolutely the youngest possible player
There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.
Byfield is almost a full year younger than Lafreniere
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 08, 2020, 09:04:07 AM
I really think Byfield is gonna be a beast. Great luck for LAJoe Miller
5'9 146 lbs
Absolutely the youngest possible player
There?s a school of thought that believes the younger potential draftees are undervalued because they?re further behind on the development curve.
Byfield is almost a full year younger than Lafreniere
I think his invisible World Juniors hurt his stock. But that can also be attributed to his age.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 09:34:42 AM
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
I was looking through how some other teams drafted and noticed that Boston only had 4 picks this year. No 1st rounder either.
I was following the TSN draft tracker and there was a Boston slot that went unfilled and I don?t know what happened.
Edit: looks like a programming issue with pick 151 Mason Langenbrunner (any relation?)
Post by: Deebo on October 08, 2020, 09:43:00 AM
I was looking through how some other teams drafted and noticed that Boston only had 4 picks this year. No 1st rounder either.
I was following the TSN draft tracker and there was a Boston slot that went unfilled and I don?t know what happened.
Edit: looks like a programming issue with pick 151 Mason Langenbrunner (any relation?)
Yes, they showed a bunch of drafted players who have relatives who were in the league at some point. Langenbrunner was one of them.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
Artur Akhtyamov showing off his strong blocker hand #LeafsForever pic.twitter.com/6yomSVUOLR
— Nick Richard (@_NickRichard) October 8, 2020
Hmmm maybe Dubas did draft somebody with some snarl after all...
Post by: Highlander on October 08, 2020, 11:15:18 AM
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 11:58:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSl_SkTibn0
From: https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2020/10/8/21506109/toronto-maple-leafs-2020-nhl-draft-picks-thoughts-rodion-amirov-roni-hirvonen-topi-niemela
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 12:02:36 PM
Marlies sign D Riley McCourt to a two-year AHL contract.
— Kevin McGran (@kevin_mcgran) October 8, 2020
McCourt played 63 games with the Flint Firebirds (OHL) this past season, recording a career-high 62 points (18 goals, 44 assists) which was ranked fifth overall amongst OHL defencemen.
Consider this an 8th round pick. If you're wondering what his size is, why?
Post by: Highlander on October 08, 2020, 12:17:22 PM
Good chance that 8 of these picks end up at 6 feet or taller.
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 08, 2020, 12:35:09 PM
Some math, a lot of kids at 18 have a chance to grow at least an inch or two. So the Leafs have 4 picks at 5'11" (not much short of 6'), 2 picks at 6', 1 pick at 6'1" and 1 pick at 6'2"But they weigh nothing and will never put on weight..enter sarcasm
Good chance that 8 of these picks end up at 6 feet or taller.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 12:39:48 PM
🚨Rodion Amirov shootout snipe🎯🎯🎯🚨 pic.twitter.com/Xi0cowWdHI
— mostly want to die (@mostlyleafies) October 8, 2020
Amirov with the shootout winner for his team today. No points but he did play 20+ minutes (his team might be missing some regulars).
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 01:06:48 PM
Interesting graph from @TSNHockey showing that undrafted players actually represent a larger % of NHL that all rounds except 1st and 2nd. Don’t let the draft define you, let it motivate you. pic.twitter.com/Cv7lTnEocx
— Top Shelf Prospects™ (@TSPhockey) October 8, 2020
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 01:22:51 PM
🚨Rodion Amirov shootout snipe🎯🎯🎯🚨 pic.twitter.com/Xi0cowWdHI
— mostly want to die (@mostlyleafies) October 8, 2020
I did not understand how that went in.
Now I understand.Nice and easy, Rodion. pic.twitter.com/50RASOV1O1
— KHL (@khl_eng) October 8, 2020
Post by: Highlander on October 08, 2020, 01:46:00 PM
Just tiny people in a big land, scary actually.Some math, a lot of kids at 18 have a chance to grow at least an inch or two. So the Leafs have 4 picks at 5'11" (not much short of 6'), 2 picks at 6', 1 pick at 6'1" and 1 pick at 6'2"But they weigh nothing and will never put on weight..enter sarcasm
Good chance that 8 of these picks end up at 6 feet or taller.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2020, 02:54:08 PM
Rodion Amirov = Skills pic.twitter.com/gCF8NeiMgu
— KHL (@khl_eng) October 8, 2020
Post by: herman on October 08, 2020, 03:50:18 PM
Rodion Amirov = Skills pic.twitter.com/gCF8NeiMgu
— KHL (@khl_eng) October 8, 2020
Is their team sponsored by Steamwhistle?
Post by: Andy on October 08, 2020, 04:29:26 PM
https://dobberprospects.com/2020/10/08/nhl-draft-podium-worthy-draft-classes/ (https://dobberprospects.com/2020/10/08/nhl-draft-podium-worthy-draft-classes/)
Post by: RedLeaf on October 08, 2020, 05:30:44 PM
Rodion Amirov = Skills pic.twitter.com/gCF8NeiMgu
— KHL (@khl_eng) October 8, 2020
Is their team sponsored by Steamwhistle?
My kind of team! :o
Post by: herman on October 09, 2020, 09:24:54 PM
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 02:05:38 PM
— Nick Richard (@_NickRichard) October 10, 2020
Post by: Arn on October 10, 2020, 02:19:12 PM
— Nick Richard (@_NickRichard) October 10, 2020
If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?
I wouldn't get too carried away. He's still probably the #3 goalie in that organization. Their regular back-up probably got injured/sick hence the call-up.
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 02:26:34 PM
If he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?
I wouldn't get too carried away. He's still probably the #3 goalie in that organization. Their regular back-up probably got injured/sick hence the call-up.
...kidnapped by government agents...
Post by: Highlander on October 10, 2020, 06:06:32 PM
tortured and gassed, made to watch old Red Army highlightsIf he?s playing KHL, maybe he?s closer to NHL than you?d normally expect of a goalie draft pick?
I wouldn't get too carried away. He's still probably the #3 goalie in that organization. Their regular back-up probably got injured/sick hence the call-up.
...kidnapped by government agents...
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 15, 2020, 01:52:39 PM
Rodion Amirov's head coach Tomi Lamsa on Amirov's strengths, from @gilliankemmerer: https://t.co/qlBMHCdzYI pic.twitter.com/x0XKZ0Q2jS
— Joshua Kloke (@joshuakloke) October 15, 2020
Post by: Nik on October 16, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
As a sidenote, anyone else think the Leafs being a little late with their pick is thinking they could have got Amirov lower and trying to trade down to do so?
That was my thought too. When Bettman said the pick wasn't in I was expecting a trade.
FWIW I was catching up on my Puck Soup listening the other night and Sean McIndoe, who I'm inclined to believe on such things, just flat out said the Leafs were trying to trade down.
Post by: herman on October 19, 2020, 06:13:27 PM
Mall cop Rielly never fails to make me laughGo behind-the-scenes of the 2020 NHL Draft in this episode of The Leaf: Blueprint presented by @Molson_Canadian. #LeafsForever
— Toronto Maple Leafs (@MapleLeafs) October 19, 2020
Watch the full episode >> https://t.co/AHjAKWyh0R pic.twitter.com/h6ruffyDp2
Post by: herman on October 23, 2020, 05:00:44 PM
Post by: herman on December 01, 2020, 09:08:48 PM
Post by: Nik on December 01, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
Herman, I promise you that if and when Dubas' Leafs team have any NHL success of a meaningful level, people will acknowledge it.
Post by: herman on December 01, 2020, 10:02:17 PM
Herman, I promise you that if and when Dubas' Leafs team have any NHL success of a meaningful level, people will acknowledge it.
I?m just bored.