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Title: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 19, 2020, 12:40:48 AM
Ladie and Gentlemen, Everyone...your 2020 Toronto Blue Jays.  Spring Training edition.


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Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 19, 2020, 12:53:53 AM
Blue Jays Spring Training roster:  (Includes 40-man roster & NRI (Non-roster invitees).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Toronto_Blue_Jays_roster

Blue Jays begin their Grapefruit League schedule Saturday Feb. 22.
Here’s a good synopsis of what Jays fans can expect to see:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-2020-spring-training-players-stories-watch/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 22, 2020, 02:14:45 PM
Big Nate Pearson just threw his first BP session and supposedly the guys were gasping at his 104MPH fastball. Out of his (I think it was 40 pitches), Walker said not one would have been a base hit.

Why is the consensus that Nate has to start the season in Buffalo?  Heck, this kid is already 23 and would have been in the bigs for sure this year without that freak injury two years back.  His work ethic is off the charts and maturity level is in place.

I say that Nate should be with the team on Opening Day and create some excitement around this team that has been sorely lacking for a long time (outside of the debut of Vlad, Biggio and Bichette last year). Time to get the boys rolling and build back an exciting Blue Jays team... I am ready for some baseball.
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Post by: The Empire on February 22, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
Big Nate Pearson just threw his first BP session and supposedly the guys were gasping at his 104MPH fastball. Out of his (I think it was 40 pitches), Walker said not one would have been a base hit.

Why is the consensus that Nate has to start the season in Buffalo?  Heck, this kid is already 23 and would have been in the bigs for sure this year without that freak injury two years back.  His work ethic is off the charts and maturity level is in place.

I say that Nate should be with the team on Opening Day and create some excitement around this team that has been sorely lacking for a long time (outside of the debut of Vlad, Biggio and Bichette last year). Time to get the boys rolling and build back an exciting Blue Jays team... I am ready for some baseball.

Agree.  At almost 24 he belongs in the majors but with 4 veterans already slotted in that leaves only the 1 open spot.  We have 2 injury prone starters in the rotation so my guess is they will start him in Buffalo and then call him up when Ryu or Shoemaker go down.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2020, 06:43:48 PM
Matt Shoemaker on the mound...

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Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2020, 06:50:30 PM
The Jays are currently 6 and 2.

Here are some Spring Training stats:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/_/name/tor (https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/_/name/tor)

Alford is the strikeout king while Tellez is having a whale of a time.

Nate Pearson continues to shine.

https://jaysjournal.com/2020/03/02/blue-jays-nate-pearson-difference-playoff-push/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 02, 2020, 07:33:01 PM
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.
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Post by: L K on March 02, 2020, 09:06:20 PM
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.

ST means nothing until like the final week.  Guys are feasting off MiLB pichers.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 03, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.

ST means nothing until like the final week.  Guys are feasting off MiLB pichers.
More in reference to the upgrade in pitching.  Hope Shoemaker can stay healthy, looks like he has picked up where he left off when he was injured last year.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on March 04, 2020, 03:47:16 PM
New report saying the Astros players were telling pitchers after games that they stole signs that the pitcher was telegraphing pitches.  These guys are absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2020, 03:51:50 PM

Wasn't that always what they said about Darvish in the World Series? That the Astros beat him up so badly because he was telegraphing his stuff?
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Post by: The Empire on March 07, 2020, 09:04:37 PM
They are disgusting.  For those that haven't seen the Rosenthal / Correa interview.  Must watch.  They are the victims.  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
They are disgusting.  For those that haven't seen the Rosenthal / Correa interview.  Must watch.  They are the victims.  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto
Cheating in any professional sport should be made a Federal Offence punishable by Federal terms.
The Astros that can be proven to have known and took place in this travesty should be banished from the game in lieu of jail time. Not slap on the hand one year suspensions.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on March 08, 2020, 05:45:44 PM
I really don't get working yourself into a lather over the morality of this stuff, especially considering Baseball's historical winking eye towards cheating. With steroids the whole thing was it was separate because it involved dangerous drugs that players might have felt pressure to use. This doesn't. Sign stealing is as old as the game and while the use of technology crosses the line between a violation of the rules and not, it doesn't make it some terrible ethical crime.

The problem here is with the lousy decision by MLB to not really take a sledgehammer to the Astros and their "championship" as a punishment. But the efforts to rig the scales in your favour is as old as baseball itself. They got caught, we know they're frauds, MLB messed up the punishment.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 08, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Well, about time we see some Vladdy histrionics (cures boredom). 😁

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Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2020, 07:55:10 PM
As the saying goes, if you’re not cheating, you’re not trying hard enough. There’s always been acceptable cheating in sports. What the Astros did clearly crossed the line.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on March 08, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
What the Astros did clearly crossed the line.

I suppose but I think it's interesting to ask why that is ethically. It isn't that using technology crosses the line between against the rules and not against the rules because things like a spitball/scuffball is against the rules and that's part of the grand tradition of baseball cheating. So is it that they did it and won a championship? That they did it despite being a talented team? That it was a group thing as opposed to an individual effort?

Again, it was wrong and they shouldn't do it and yadda yadda and all but it doesn't, like, offend me.
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Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2020, 09:24:24 PM
I suppose but I think it's interesting to ask why that is ethically. It isn't that using technology crosses the line between against the rules and not against the rules because things like a spitball/scuffball is against the rules and that's part of the grand tradition of baseball cheating. So is it that they did it and won a championship? That they did it despite being a talented team? That it was a group thing as opposed to an individual effort?

Again, it was wrong and they shouldn't do it and yadda yadda and all but it doesn't, like, offend me.

For me, it’s that they went outside the players and coaches that were on the field or in the dugout. If your cheating scheme relies on people in the stands or the video room or whatever, it crosses the line. I’d consider a video camera to be the same - they’re not on the field of play or operated by players or coaching staff. Using them to cheat is going too far. If it can’t be done by the guys in uniform while they’re in uniform, it’s outside the acceptable realm.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on March 09, 2020, 09:30:04 AM
For me, it’s that they went outside the players and coaches that were on the field or in the dugout. If your cheating scheme relies on people in the stands or the video room or whatever, it crosses the line. I’d consider a video camera to be the same - they’re not on the field of play or operated by players or coaching staff. Using them to cheat is going too far. If it can’t be done by the guys in uniform while they’re in uniform, it’s outside the acceptable realm.

Eh. That makes a convincing case that it's different. I don't know about worse.

Like, the game over the last decade has seen teams spending millions of dollars to get the most advanced analytical information they can possibly get which is then put into manager's hands in whatever form they want so that they can make decisions on where to precisely position each defensive player on every pitch against every particular hitter but a guy in the bleachers trying to steal signs is a bridge too far in terms of off-field influence on the game?

I'm not disagreeing, exactly, obviously an ethical or moral question has no right or wrong answer and I understand and agree with the idea that what the Astros did should be against the rules and I'd be fine with the team receiving a much harsher penalty than they did. I just can't get worked up over it is all.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 09, 2020, 10:03:22 AM
Like, the game over the last decade has seen teams spending millions of dollars to get the most advanced analytical information they can possibly get which is then put into manager's hands in whatever form they want so that they can make decisions on where to precisely position each defensive player on every pitch against every particular hitter but a guy in the bleachers trying to steal signs is a bridge too far in terms of off-field influence on the game?

I think the difference there is that one is a fairly standard practice, and the information being relayed is aggregate data and trends that indicate likely possibilities, while the other is "this is what's happening right now." One allows the team to make informed decisions, while the other is telling the guy at the plate what pitch is coming now.

To me, they're quite different scenarios.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on March 09, 2020, 10:37:46 AM
I think the difference there is that one is a fairly standard practice, and the information being relayed is aggregate data and trends that indicate likely possibilities, while the other is "this is what's happening right now." One allows the team to make informed decisions, while the other is telling the guy at the plate what pitch is coming now.

To me, they're quite different scenarios.


Except that all the Astros could do was guess at what pitch they thought was coming next based on having cracked the other team's signals, which can change at any moment. In the future, now that we know more about what the Astros did, it seems unlikely that short of using some sort of electronic signalling device(which we still don't know was ever used) you could communicate that to a hitter. After all, banging a trashcan now would lead to a pitcher and catcher changing their signals immediately.

That said, they are different. But different or not still isn't the question. Worse or not is. I'm not inclined to do it but if I had to say which has been worse for the sport? Eh...I could make the argument either way. 

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 10, 2020, 07:41:01 PM

Blue Jays get lucky and get Austin Martin in the draft. A guy who was widely seen as one of the top 2 guys in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 10, 2020, 07:48:31 PM

Keith Law had him as the #1 guy in the draft

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Post by: herman on June 10, 2020, 08:19:53 PM
The Jays kids look really fun. Austin Martin looks like a steal at 5.
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Post by: Andy on June 10, 2020, 09:04:21 PM
Thank you Baltimore! Martin seemed like a lock at #2 and had multiple #1 rankings. Wow.
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Post by: Highlander on June 10, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
The Jays kids look really fun. Austin Martin looks like a steal at 5.
How did this happen? 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 10, 2020, 09:12:57 PM

Baltimore went for a guy they might get under slot so they can be aggressive with their 2nd 1st round pick and Miami and KC both wanted pitching, apparently. So Martin falls to the Jays.
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Post by: herman on June 10, 2020, 09:51:24 PM
69 plate appearances this shortened season: only 2 Ks
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Post by: Frank E on June 11, 2020, 10:29:36 AM
When does he project to be on the big club roster?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 11, 2020, 11:08:31 AM
When does he project to be on the big club roster?

I've seen some suggestions that he start next year at AA so if he hits there he could get September time.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 11, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
I'll have to read the articles later but I wonder why the other clubs didn't go for him? Looks like one team went way off the board.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 11, 2020, 11:11:31 AM
I'll have to read the articles later but I wonder why the other clubs didn't go for him? Looks like one team went way off the board.

Like I said, the reason people think Baltimore went off the board is to sign their pick under slot so they could try and also sign a higher value prospect with their next pick. Then Miami and KC went for pitching which could be system depth issues.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on June 11, 2020, 11:13:22 AM
When does he project to be on the big club roster?

Probably not until 2023 at the earliest.  Prospects are going to sit and idle for the rest of the year this year and won't get fall league opportunities.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on June 11, 2020, 11:16:34 AM
I'll have to read the articles later but I wonder why the other clubs didn't go for him? Looks like one team went way off the board.

Baltimore didn't really go way off the board. The player they picked at #2 was largely expected to go somewhere between 7-10. They reached a little, but the guy they picked was seen by many as the top LH bat in the draft.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on June 11, 2020, 11:34:08 AM
https://theathletic.com/1865778/2020/06/10/blue-jays-land-top-college-bat-austin-martin-at-no-5-in-unpredictable-mlb-draft/

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Law had Martin as his No. 1 prospect; meanwhile, Baseball America and MLB Pipeline had him at No. 2. Baseball America considered the Jacksonville, Fla., native a favourite to be drafted first. “Martin has some of the best pure hitting ability in the class, with eye-popping bat speed, excellent contact ability and impressive plate discipline as well,” Baseball America wrote. MLB Pipeline called Martin the “best pure hitter” in the draft, someone who makes consistent hard contact from the right side. His power might end up being average, MLB Pipeline noted, and Law wrote he can “hit for average with developing power.”

[...]

In 140 games over three seasons at Vanderbilt, including a junior year truncated due to the COVID-19 pandemic, Martin hit .368/.474/.532 with only 82 strikeouts.

“He’s a well-above-average hitter,” Farrell said. “This is a guy that manages the strike zone really well. Extremely high contact rates. Somebody we think has the ability to grow into more power down the road, but just really good bat-to-ball skills and ability to manage the strike zone.”

On defence, Martin has played all over the field. MLB Pipeline noted he has the quick feet, soft hands and arm to handle nearly any position. During his freshman season at Vanderbilt, his 58 starts were at six positions. The following season, he primarily played second and third base. This spring, he transitioned to centre field, which Law indicated might have been due to an issue with his throwing that could have been linked to an injury.

I really like that the Jays have shifted towards positional flexibility and contact hitting (and speed on the basepaths) in the post-Anthopoulous era.

https://theathletic.com/1863718/2020/06/10/the-fire-and-fun-of-austin-martin-i-hate-losing-even-more-than-i-like-winning
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Early in Martin’s sophomore year, he was late to a few classes, which [Vanderbilt head coach] Corbin deems unacceptable. So, Martin had to sit out a three-game series.

“For 18 years, when I’ve sent someone back for games, they just don’t show up,” Corbin said. “So, I sent him home, back to the dorms, and the kid unlike any other person before, he came back to the stadium and watched us play.”

But Martin didn’t sneak into the outfield bleachers where he couldn’t be seen. With a hoodie sweatshirt pulled over his head, Martin spent three games next to Corbin’s wife, Maggie, who sits right behind home plate.

“That was really for Coach Corbin, because I know he doesn’t think that I notice, but during the games, I notice he peeks up there a lot,” Martin said. “So, I definitely had to place myself right next to her. But the whole reason I was there was to watch my guys play.”
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 11, 2020, 12:28:19 PM
I'll have to read the articles later but I wonder why the other clubs didn't go for him? Looks like one team went way off the board.

Baltimore didn't really go way off the board. The player they picked at #2 was largely expected to go somewhere between 7-10. They reached a little, but the guy they picked was seen by many as the top LH bat in the draft.

Another thing to think about when looking at why a guy might drop a bit in a draft is that if there is a consensus top 2, the teams picking 3 and 4 might focus their attention on other guys, scout them heavily and fall in love with them so that if something unexpected does happen, they're still inclined to go with the decision they'd already made.

Seth Jones dropping to #4 was an example of that, I thought. Tampa really whiffed hard there.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on June 11, 2020, 12:39:29 PM
I'll have to read the articles later but I wonder why the other clubs didn't go for him? Looks like one team went way off the board.

Baltimore didn't really go way off the board. The player they picked at #2 was largely expected to go somewhere between 7-10. They reached a little, but the guy they picked was seen by many as the top LH bat in the draft.

LH bat, huge power....but also a slow, lumbering corner OF. I don't know, it seems a little risky to me, especially since they didn't even go over slot on their next pick (30). We'll see how their rest of the draft plays out and I'm certainly no scout but I really don't know how you can pass at Martin at 2, particularly if you're looking for hitting.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 11, 2020, 05:28:36 PM

Jays took a pretty well regarded pitcher CJ Van Eyk with their 2nd round pick. Law had him ranked 23rd.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on June 12, 2020, 11:14:41 AM
Looks like Jays had a pretty successful draft. Some intriguing arms in the 2-4th rounds. Here's a brief write-up from CBS sports:

Blue Jays
Grade: A
Vanderbilt's Austin Martin was the No. 1 prospect in the draft class and the Blue Jays landed him with the No. 5 selection. They have to be over the moon. Toronto could have used its remaining picks on potted plants and Martin alone would've made this an A draft, but they also landed a fringe first round arm in second rounder C.J. Van Eyk, a riser with the spin rates analytically inclined teams love. Fourth rounder Nick Frasso could've been a second rounder had he not gotten hurt prior to the shutdown. Van Eyk and Frasso are two excellent complementary picks to Martin.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on June 12, 2020, 11:58:59 AM
Looks like Jays had a pretty successful draft. Some intriguing arms in the 2-4th rounds. Here's a brief write-up from CBS sports:

Blue Jays
Grade: A
Vanderbilt's Austin Martin was the No. 1 prospect in the draft class and the Blue Jays landed him with the No. 5 selection. They have to be over the moon. Toronto could have used its remaining picks on potted plants and Martin alone would've made this an A draft, but they also landed a fringe first round arm in second rounder C.J. Van Eyk, a riser with the spin rates analytically inclined teams love. Fourth rounder Nick Frasso could've been a second rounder had he not gotten hurt prior to the shutdown. Van Eyk and Frasso are two excellent complementary picks to Martin.
What an excellent draft for the Jays. Well done. Andy, where did you pick up "but also a slow, lumbering corner OF"?  I have read nothing complaining of his speed?   Can you pass on reference to that?

In some ways I find myself more excited about the start of baseball than I am of hockey. Jays are going to compete in a year, maybe even wildcard this year.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on June 12, 2020, 12:06:21 PM
All the scouting reports on Kjerstad have him listed as an adequate glove, corner OF with below average-average speed. I just interpreted that as lumbering. Unless you think I was referring to Martin?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on June 12, 2020, 12:23:42 PM
All the scouting reports on Kjerstad have him listed as an adequate glove, corner OF with below average-average speed. I just interpreted that as lumbering. Unless you think I was referring to Martin?
Yes, thought you meant Martin,  got it, thanks.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 13, 2020, 09:17:59 AM
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Post by: Frank E on June 13, 2020, 11:41:01 AM
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I don't understand what this means...I'm obviously not versed in MLB CBA.
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Post by: Andy on June 13, 2020, 11:57:36 AM
Makes more sense for the O's, especially if they think they have something special in Kjerstad. I still thought they'd have enough $ left to reel in at least another good over-slot player though.

Frank- There is a total dollar allotment that teams are allowed to, cumulatively, spend during one draft, and that is based on where their picking position is. So a young player with, say, Boras as an agent or who has a particularly high potential/ceiling might ask for more money than their draft position typically garners. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 13, 2020, 12:09:16 PM
I don't understand what this means...I'm obviously not versed in MLB CBA.

It's complicated but I'll try to put it as simply as I can for anyone interested:

So, players taken in the MLB draft don't have a predetermined amount of money they make based on where they're drafted. Teams draft players, then have to negotiate a signing bonus. In the past that meant that some very good players didn't get drafted high because their signing bonus demands were very high so smaller revenue teams might opt to draft someone with lower salary demands because they were more affordable.

Nowadays, however, in an attempt to curtail the practice of high value draft picks falling to high revenue teams, all teams are allocated a certain signing bonus total for all of their draft picks that they can't exceed without facing penalties. Each draft pick is assigned what's known as a slot number, for simplicity's sake, let's say that the #1 pick has a slot number of 8 million dollars, the #2 pick is 7.5 million and so on.

So if a team has the #1 pick, with a slot bonus of 8 million, and also the #31 pick, with a slot bonus of 1 million and then two other picks whose slot numbers are 1 million total. That means that team has a bonus pool of 10 million. Now, they're allowed to allocate that money however they want. They don't have to pay the guy they pick #1 all 8 million. So if they have two prospects at #1 they like but one says he's willing to sign for 7.5 million, that extra 500,000 can be used by the team to sign their other draft picks.

So a team, let's say the Orioles, chose to draft someone generally seen as being outside the top 5 players in the draft in part because they were able to sign him for less than his slot number. That meant they could use later picks on players with salary demands that might exceed their slot numbers.

This comes into play a lot with players drafted out of high school. A high school prospect seen as pretty good value might want more than their slot number and say if they don't get it they won't sign with the team that drafted them and will instead go to college and re-enter the draft later. By having unused money in their bonus pool, a team can draft high value high school prospects and financially entice them go into their minor league system instead of college. Because oftentimes players improve in college and improve their draft position when they re-enter, offering over slot bonuses to high schoolers can be a way to get a lot of value from picks outside of the 1st round.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 13, 2020, 12:49:09 PM
That's a pretty damn easy to understand explanation, Nik.  Thank you.

So in reference to the tweet, did

...Heston Kjerstad signings went...

mean Heston Kjerstad savings went?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 13, 2020, 12:59:50 PM
That's a pretty damn easy to understand explanation, Nik.  Thank you.

So in reference to the tweet, did

...Heston Kjerstad signings went...

mean Heston Kjerstad savings went?

That's my reading of it.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 19, 2020, 02:03:59 PM
Just read a little short piece on Alek Manoah...I know nothing of him other than what I read in the article...is he seen as a legit starter prospect for the Jays?

EDIT:  Here's the link to the article:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/alek-manoah-blessing-velocity-changeup-mark-fate/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 19, 2020, 02:09:27 PM
Just read a little short piece on Alek Manoah...I know nothing of him other than what I read in the article...is he seen as a legit starter prospect for the Jays?

EDIT:  Here's the link to the article:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/alek-manoah-blessing-velocity-changeup-mark-fate/

Are you asking if he's well regarded or if people think he'll ultimately end up in the bullpen? Because he was a first round pick last year, pitched pretty well in his first pro year and even made Baseball Prospectus' list of top 100 prospects in baseball.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 19, 2020, 02:22:57 PM
Just read a little short piece on Alek Manoah...I know nothing of him other than what I read in the article...is he seen as a legit starter prospect for the Jays?

EDIT:  Here's the link to the article:  https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/alek-manoah-blessing-velocity-changeup-mark-fate/

Are you asking if he's well regarded or if people think he'll ultimately end up in the bullpen? Because he was a first round pick last year, pitched pretty well in his first pro year and even made Baseball Prospectus' list of top 100 prospects in baseball.

Thanks Nik...yeah more about whether or not he's projected to be a starter.

I ask because I know Sportsnet often paints an overly pretty picture of Jays prospects, but I know some of you around here are a little more knowledgeable and realistic.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 19, 2020, 02:25:52 PM
Thanks Nik...yeah more about whether or not he's projected to be a starter.

I ask because I know Sportsnet often paints an overly pretty picture of Jays prospects, but I know some of you around here are a little more knowledgeable and realistic.

Probably just a little too early to tell in his case. He's pitched 17 innings of pro ball and probably won't make the Majors for another 2-3 seasons. Like the article says, where he eventually ends up is going to depend on how well he can develop secondary pitches and that's a bit of a crap shoot with any pitcher.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 19, 2020, 02:29:32 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 20, 2020, 11:50:51 PM
Again, not a shock.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 21, 2020, 01:41:21 PM
Again, not a shock.

I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 21, 2020, 02:04:00 PM
I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate.

I wonder if it's more that athletes have access to regular testing. After all, that infection rate is just confirmed infections.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 21, 2020, 02:25:06 PM
I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The not shocking thing to me is that 3 of the teams training in Florida have had these issues. Cases are spiking there and restrictions seem pretty lax. These players might have been doing everything right in terms of quarantining the past few months but once you start bringing them back into these training facilities the threat becomes higher regardless of how safe they thing they're being.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 21, 2020, 03:26:03 PM
Again, not a shock.

I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate.

I mean, I get that lots of people follow the precautionary principle and will do cautious things before they become a problem but in Florida what protocols are there really? It's out of control to a point where unless you're being extra cautious I don't see why people wouldn't pick it up after maybe having a dinner with another family.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 21, 2020, 03:37:11 PM
Again, not a shock.

I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

The population of even the USA is still at far less than 1% infection rate.

I mean, I get that lots of people follow the precautionary principle and will do cautious things before they become a problem but in Florida what protocols are there really? It's out of control to a point where unless you're being extra cautious I don't see why people wouldn't pick it up after maybe having a dinner with another family.

Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 21, 2020, 03:49:51 PM
Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m.

But wasn't there the whole thing of them firing the woman compiling the data because she was actually reporting the right numbers? I'm not sure official data from a state like Florida helps much right now.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 22, 2020, 12:35:27 AM
Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m.

But wasn't there the whole thing of them firing the woman compiling the data because she was actually reporting the right numbers? I'm not sure official data from a state like Florida helps much right now.
Right. They're underreporting like mad first of all. Trump said it himself in his half attended Tulsa rally that he asked States to stop counting as many. Second or all you aren't catching every case, you just confirm the test that came back positive. Some Epis are thinking we could be missing 90% of infections in Ontario. It's going to be at least that in Florida.

The odds of getting sick in Florida seem pretty good to me, especially if you hit a bar.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 22, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m.

But wasn't there the whole thing of them firing the woman compiling the data because she was actually reporting the right numbers? I'm not sure official data from a state like Florida helps much right now.
Right. They're underreporting like mad first of all. Trump said it himself in his half attended Tulsa rally that he asked States to stop counting as many. Second or all you aren't catching every case, you just confirm the test that came back positive. Some Epis are thinking we could be missing 90% of infections in Ontario. It's going to be at least that in Florida.

The odds of getting sick in Florida seem pretty good to me, especially if you hit a bar.

Who thinks we're missing 90% of the cases in Ontario?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 22, 2020, 03:34:32 PM
Who thinks we're missing 90% of the cases in Ontario?

For what it's worth if that were true there'd still only be an infection rate in the province of around 2%.

Anyways, I think the reason we're seeing more re: Athletes is a combination of things. They're still more likely than most to be working in groups, they're probably going out more than most people and being less careful and they're getting tested and having their health monitored way more than most people.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 23, 2020, 12:44:45 AM
Again though, still only 93000 cases confirmed in Florida.  They have a population of 21m.

But wasn't there the whole thing of them firing the woman compiling the data because she was actually reporting the right numbers? I'm not sure official data from a state like Florida helps much right now.
Right. They're underreporting like mad first of all. Trump said it himself in his half attended Tulsa rally that he asked States to stop counting as many. Second or all you aren't catching every case, you just confirm the test that came back positive. Some Epis are thinking we could be missing 90% of infections in Ontario. It's going to be at least that in Florida.

The odds of getting sick in Florida seem pretty good to me, especially if you hit a bar.

Who thinks we're missing 90% of the cases in Ontario?
Off the top of my head Dr. Fisman. It works well in terms of working backwards IFR to 0.5-1% which is the going rate from NYC & Swedish seroprevalence studies. Also makes sense given not everyone with a mild case will get tested and there are known asymptomatic spreaders out there. There are likely more epis out there who hold the same view but it's 12:45 and I work tomorrow. We need sero testing to truly figure that part out like what they did in NYC.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 23, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
I actually think that the amount of sports players getting the virus is very shocking.  I can only assume that they're being quite flagrant with some of the new protocols, given none of them have had to go to work for months now.

I really wanted to believe that professional athletes would be taking this seriously during all their various return to play stages, but then I read what just happened in the tennis world and yeah nevermind.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on June 23, 2020, 01:22:02 PM
Don't you realize that young men are indestructible? ;)
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 23, 2020, 01:54:18 PM
So this MLB vs. PA is getting a little messy...
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 23, 2020, 02:55:40 PM
So this MLB vs. PA is getting a little messy...

Yeah, but this has been brewing for a while. It'll lead to a grievance from the union and then an extended labour issue next year.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on June 24, 2020, 09:36:18 AM
It looks like they sorted it out?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
It looks like they sorted it out?

Well, they "sorted it out" in as much as MLB will impose a schedule on the players and the players will file a grievance against the league saying they never negotiated in good faith and there's a ton of bad blood that will spill into the CBA negotiations but there may be official Major League baseball in a month.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 24, 2020, 11:03:11 AM
They were talking that the Jays may just play out of Dunedin.

Would anyone care if the just played in Florida, since you can't go to the games anyways?

I wouldn't.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2020, 02:52:13 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 24, 2020, 04:14:00 PM

Florida. Yet again!
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on June 27, 2020, 01:07:14 PM
Great article on my favourite Blue Jay of all time, Tony Fernandez in the Star today. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on June 28, 2020, 10:14:44 AM
They were talking that the Jays may just play out of Dunedin.

Would anyone care if the just played in Florida, since you can't go to the games anyways?

I wouldn't.

I'm firmly in the "sports probably shouldn't be happening this year...particularly in cess pool states that use politics as a counter to epidemiology and medical recommendations.  So while I agree that there is no value of them playing in Toronto, I'm not particularly concerned about where they play.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on June 28, 2020, 09:26:59 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 29, 2020, 03:19:05 PM

I want no part in this
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on June 29, 2020, 03:27:02 PM

I want no part in this

A number of players around the league seem to want to have no part in this season, either. At least 3 have already opted out, and I imagine more will be announced soon.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on June 29, 2020, 03:28:55 PM

I just genuinely wonder how many deaths and potentially serious illnesses people are willing to accept to watch baseball for four months.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on June 29, 2020, 04:06:50 PM

I just genuinely wonder how many deaths and potentially serious illnesses people are willing to accept to watch baseball for four months.

Right. And at this point maybe most of the league has resigned themselves that they will get sick eventually but every person who doesn't consent to that is going to be collateral damage. And I mean, they'd have to pick a spot somewhere, and I'm being a bit selfish since I live here but this makes it even more stomach churning for me.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on June 30, 2020, 08:16:10 AM
Ian Desmond (COL Rockies) is opting out of the season for good reasons
In his own words: https://www.instagram.com/p/CCCp7aSptTr/

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/rockies-ian-desmond-sit-season-help-youth-baseball-program-florida/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on June 30, 2020, 10:14:55 AM

I just genuinely wonder how many deaths and potentially serious illnesses people are willing to accept to watch baseball for four months.

Right. And at this point maybe most of the league has resigned themselves that they will get sick eventually but every person who doesn't consent to that is going to be collateral damage. And I mean, they'd have to pick a spot somewhere, and I'm being a bit selfish since I live here but this makes it even more stomach churning for me.

It really kills all of the "we need to keep them out" bluster from Ford when he jumps at having meaningless baseball played in Toronto.  Aside from a tiny bump in staff to maintain the stadium, it's minimal jobs due to the lack of crowds.  It is however bringing teams across the border to play baseball coming from a country that doesn't believe in reality.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on July 03, 2020, 09:08:22 AM
I don't really like Cox's writing but he's kind of bang on for once.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2020/07/02/first-the-nhl-now-the-blue-jays-toronto-is-about-to-become-a-coronavirus-petri-dish-for-pro-sports.html
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 03, 2020, 09:19:37 AM
I don't really like Cox's writing but he's kind of bang on for once.

https://www.thestar.com/sports/bluejays/opinion/2020/07/02/first-the-nhl-now-the-blue-jays-toronto-is-about-to-become-a-coronavirus-petri-dish-for-pro-sports.html

When it comes to sports opinions he's either usually well behind the times or just writing things to provoke a reaction from people... but when it comes to social stuff like this he's usually decent.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 03, 2020, 09:30:33 AM

I just...I just don't get it. Doug Ford, sure, I don't have a lot of faith there but Tory and the Feds I really thought were smarter than this. Or at least on this issue I thought they had better judgement.

I just really don't understand what the upside is here.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 03, 2020, 09:59:26 AM

I just really don't understand what the upside is here.

It's the cash for a severely ravaged economy. 

And before you say it's not much money, it's certainly something, and the hope is that they'll allow fans in the seats soon.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 03, 2020, 10:07:55 AM
And before you say it's not much money, it's certainly something

vs. the chances of a worse outbreak which, aside from the human costs, would further damage the economy. In exchange for, at best, an insignificant amount of money in any sort of macroeconomic picture.

Even if we're going to be as cold blooded as possible and dismiss the potential human costs, this doesn't even make economic sense. There's no real value here other than as an entirely meaningless symbolic gesture that runs counter to good health practices.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 03, 2020, 05:29:42 PM

Not that there was much concern here but Austin Martin has apparently signed.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 03, 2020, 08:54:39 PM

Not that there was much concern here but Austin Martin has apparently signed.

Nice to have that out of the way, though.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 04, 2020, 06:03:26 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 04, 2020, 08:22:42 PM
With how many players are testing positive, it’s hard to justify going forward with the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on July 04, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
With how many players are testing positive, it’s hard to justify going forward with the season.
Would that not be similar to your thoughts on NHL start up?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 04, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
With how many players are testing positive, it’s hard to justify going forward with the season.
Would that not be similar to your thoughts on NHL start up?

Yup. As much as I’d love for sports to be back, it just feels so irresponsible given the state of things south of the border. The NHL might be in a slightly better position, with all the games taking place in Canada, but it still doesn’t seem like a good idea.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 05, 2020, 08:14:32 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 06, 2020, 11:46:10 AM

Doolittle is a thoughtful, intelligent guy and his line about sports being a reward for a functioning society is pretty good. I think it underscores what's becoming a frank reality which is that for all the talk about sports "being put into perspective" whenever a tragedy occurs some people have never and will never put them in its proper perspective. Not during a pandemic, not when major cities in the US are running out of ICU beds.

And if you took this argument and reframed it to be about other forms of entertainment the ridiculousness of all of this would be undeniable. If I said to someone "We're going to make the best video game of all time but four or five people will die as a result" anyone being in favour of that trade-off would be seen as a sociopath.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on July 06, 2020, 04:05:11 PM

Doolittle is a thoughtful, intelligent guy and his line about sports being a reward for a functioning society is pretty good. I think it underscores what's becoming a frank reality which is that for all the talk about sports "being put into perspective" whenever a tragedy occurs some people have never and will never put them in its proper perspective. Not during a pandemic, not when major cities in the US are running out of ICU beds.

And if you took this argument and reframed it to be about other forms of entertainment the ridiculousness of all of this would be undeniable. If I said to someone "We're going to make the best video game of all time but four or five people will die as a result" anyone being in favour of that trade-off would be seen as a sociopath.

Hear, hear!
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Peter D. on July 06, 2020, 05:23:59 PM
It's the cash for a severely ravaged economy. 

And before you say it's not much money, it's certainly something, and the hope is that they'll allow fans in the seats soon.

Any little bit helps, but Ontario/Toronto has been doing a great job.  The last thing I think we should allow is people from Florida of all places to fly into the country.

And I'll be beyond dumbfounded if the government actually allows the Jays to play their home games here and have teams from the states fly in and out of the country frequently. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 08, 2020, 03:44:25 PM

So the Jays will be exceeding their bonus pool but not by enough to cost them picks but they will get hit with the fine/tax.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 08, 2020, 04:44:59 PM
Scott Boras got the Jays to sign him at Slot 2 value, then?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Deebo on July 08, 2020, 05:49:01 PM
Scott Boras got the Jays to sign him at Slot 2 value, then?

No, he signed for 7,000,825

2nd slot was 7,789,900. This is between 3  (7,221,200) and 4 (6,664,000).
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 08, 2020, 08:08:57 PM
Scott Boras got the Jays to sign him at Slot 2 value, then?

No, he signed for 7,000,825

2nd slot was 7,789,900. This is between 3  (7,221,200) and 4 (6,664,000).

Thanks! I read far too deeply into the 'in excess of 7M' part of that tweet then.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/austin-martin-makes-blue-jays-history-signing-bonus/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 09, 2020, 05:46:41 PM

Yeah, let's let these guys organize a cross-border season without quarantining.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on July 10, 2020, 09:11:53 AM
I don't blame MLB.  I blame Ontario and the Federal government for allowing this crap.  The border should be shut.  Essential travel for supplies that can't reasonably be shut down is one thing.  Baseball has absolutely no reason to be something going back and forth across the border.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 10, 2020, 10:26:07 AM
I don't blame MLB.  I blame Ontario and the Federal government for allowing this crap.  The border should be shut.  Essential travel for supplies that can't reasonably be shut down is one thing.  Baseball has absolutely no reason to be something going back and forth across the border.

Broadly speaking, I agree. The terrible decisions here are ultimately on the government. That said, I think you can still blame MLB for being incompetent with what they're trying to do.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on July 10, 2020, 10:28:37 AM
I don't blame MLB.  I blame Ontario and the Federal government for allowing this crap.  The border should be shut.  Essential travel for supplies that can't reasonably be shut down is one thing.  Baseball has absolutely no reason to be something going back and forth across the border.

It really is mind blowing. To have Multiple teams criss crossing across north america for the sport seems reckless and unwarranted.

Has Toronto officially been announced as where the Jays will be playing? Perhaps I've missed something but last I read was they hadn't decided whether it would be Toronto or Dunedin.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 10, 2020, 11:02:24 AM
Broadly speaking, I agree. The terrible decisions here are ultimately on the government. That said, I think you can still blame MLB for being incompetent with what they're trying to do.

Yup. And, not just MLB - basically every major sports league that's trying to come back has displayed some degree of incompetence, and seem out of touch with the realities of the pandemic in the U.S. and abroad.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 10, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
Oooooohhhhkay
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 10, 2020, 11:10:01 AM
Oooooohhhhkay

$750K would keep me from sneaking out to get drive-thru McDonalds.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 10, 2020, 11:12:27 AM
$750K would keep me from sneaking out to get drive-thru McDonalds.

It's more than a good portion of the 60-man player pool will make if there's a season.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 10, 2020, 11:35:40 AM
I've seen others explain that these are just the maximum penalties under the current Quarantine Act. A Minnesota couple were charged $1k each recently for violating it recently.

So I guess they were told they would be subject to the maximum penalties, but I doubt that would actually happen in practice.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 10, 2020, 01:13:07 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 10, 2020, 01:59:59 PM
I think maybe Travis Shaw should be taking some social media training from the team.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 10, 2020, 02:38:40 PM

Well, here's a surprise for absolutely no one.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 10, 2020, 03:54:25 PM
OK baseball guys, I have another question.

This was part of the Guerrero Jr. to 1st base article on sportsnet.ca:

Assuming he takes to first base, the Blue Jays should have stronger infield defence with Guerrero at first and Shaw at third, and with the season shortened, every small margin helps. In concert with the need to optimize his bat – the thing that really matters – making the move now makes sense.

What's his batting have to do with the position change?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 10, 2020, 04:27:26 PM
OK baseball guys, I have another question.

This was part of the Guerrero Jr. to 1st base article on sportsnet.ca:

Assuming he takes to first base, the Blue Jays should have stronger infield defence with Guerrero at first and Shaw at third, and with the season shortened, every small margin helps. In concert with the need to optimize his bat – the thing that really matters – making the move now makes sense.

What's his batting have to do with the position change?

I sort of think you're reading that wrong. I don't think they're saying that him moving positions will in and of itself optimize his hitting, although there are reasons it could help, I think it's saying that the Jays need to improve their defense as well as getting better offense from Guerrero so the move makes sense.

Keep in mind it's an article about how he's going to go from playing 3B to 1B and DHing. If he sees a significant amount of time at DH he can worry less about defensive work generally and just focus on his hitting. Add in that Third is a more demanding position physically where he needs a lot more work than he would at 1st and there's reason to think moving defensively could help in his development as a hitter but I don't think that's really what they're stressing.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 10, 2020, 04:34:05 PM
OK baseball guys, I have another question.

This was part of the Guerrero Jr. to 1st base article on sportsnet.ca:

Assuming he takes to first base, the Blue Jays should have stronger infield defence with Guerrero at first and Shaw at third, and with the season shortened, every small margin helps. In concert with the need to optimize his bat – the thing that really matters – making the move now makes sense.

What's his batting have to do with the position change?

I sort of think you're reading that wrong. I don't think they're saying that him moving positions will in and of itself optimize his hitting, although there are reasons it could help, I think it's saying that the Jays need to improve their defense as well as getting better offense from Guerrero so the move makes sense.

Keep in mind it's an article about how he's going to go from playing 3B to 1B and DHing. If he sees a significant amount of time at DH he can worry less about defensive work generally and just focus on his hitting. Add in that Third is a more demanding position physically where he needs a lot more work than he would at 1st and there's reason to think moving defensively could help in his development as a hitter but I don't think that's really what they're stressing.

OK, I understand better.  Thank you.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 14, 2020, 10:00:46 AM
I hear Nate Pearson is working on his off-speed stuff too... love me finesse pitchers
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on July 18, 2020, 04:04:20 PM
No jays in Toronto.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-to-reveal-blue-jays-decision-1.5654846

And I for one am glad saner heads prevailed.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on July 19, 2020, 08:16:38 AM
No jays in Toronto.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-to-reveal-blue-jays-decision-1.5654846

And I for one am glad saner heads prevailed.

No kidding. It made absolutely zero sense.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on July 19, 2020, 12:04:17 PM
Time to shuffle off to Buffalo. Some lighting company is going to make a fortune this week.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on July 19, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
No jays in Toronto.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-to-reveal-blue-jays-decision-1.5654846

And I for one am glad saner heads prevailed.

No kidding. It made absolutely zero sense.
They can literally play anywhere without fans. The MLB needs to drop it's fantasy of having teams travel. Kind of nonsensical.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on July 22, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
Pittsburgh emerging as the favourite for the Jays to play out of.

Nice park.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 22, 2020, 08:49:19 AM
Pittsburgh emerging as the favourite for the Jays to play out of.

Nice park.

It'd be great if the team used this opportunity to tear down the Dome and build a Pittsburgh-esque park in its place.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 22, 2020, 09:17:16 AM
It'd be great if the team used this opportunity to tear down the Dome and build a Pittsburgh-esque park in its place.

Wouldn't that be nice.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on July 22, 2020, 03:17:07 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/pennsylvania-department-health-wont-allow-blue-jays-play-pnc-park/

No pnc park. I find these turn of events funny.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 22, 2020, 03:23:19 PM
No worries, I bet they have plenty of time to figure this all out. Now to take a big sip of water and look up when their "home" opener is...
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 22, 2020, 09:37:34 PM
Yo (https://writingexplained.org/whoa-or-woah-difference)
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 25, 2020, 04:24:30 PM

Also laid down a bunt single against a 4-man outfield shift and bopped a 3-run homer en route to the win.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on July 26, 2020, 07:45:30 PM
Giles arm looked bad today.   His velocity is way down and then his control was gone.   Montoyo kept him in the game.  I’m really not happy with his game management.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on July 27, 2020, 04:23:28 AM
Probably cost them the game too.

I watched games 2 and 3 of the series. I feel the Jays should have taken the series 2-1 and could possibly even have taken it 3-0. The youngsters will hopefully learn from games like game 3 how to hold on and grind out wins. It's a positive to go into Tampa and be disappointed to lose the series I guess but they gotta start winning.

In other news I'm kind of looking forward to seeing them play the home games in the park at Buffalo.

It's a weird world at the minute.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on July 27, 2020, 11:06:39 AM
Giles arm looked bad today.   His velocity is way down and then his control was gone.   Montoyo kept him in the game.  I’m really not happy with his game management.
Giles arm went somewhere on batter 2.  They spoke with him and he said he was fine, he had done this several times in the past and closed out. Not yesterday.  Considering who was in the pen I can see why Charlie left him in.  I guess Romano now gets his chance to close.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on July 29, 2020, 11:36:53 AM
2 wins in D.C.  Starting rotation looks very good, so much more depth.  Getting good hitting, perhaps Dante Bichette has been a very good coaching addition.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Deebo on July 29, 2020, 05:58:57 PM
Nate Pearson is making his debut tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on July 29, 2020, 07:22:20 PM
5.0 IP 2 hits, 2 walks, 5 Ks

Damn fine debut so far
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 29, 2020, 07:23:25 PM
5.0 IP 2 hits, 2 walks, 5 Ks

Damn fine debut so far

Beat me to it. Kid has been great. That's some velocity!
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 30, 2020, 11:18:49 AM
5.0 IP 2 hits, 2 walks, 5 Ks

Damn fine debut so far

Beat me to it. Kid has been great. That's some velocity!

It's too bad they couldn't hit the ball last night, but Pearson looks very good. 

They got to Yamaguchi pretty effectively.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 30, 2020, 12:48:17 PM
Just shut it down. (Jays were scheduled to double header with the Phillies on Saturday)
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 30, 2020, 12:54:58 PM

Another important reminder that "There's not a lot of risk, these are all young healthy athletes" stuff was really, really stupid.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on July 30, 2020, 09:12:33 PM
Spread it faster and more thoroughly?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on July 31, 2020, 08:46:46 AM
I'm not going to advocate for intentionally throwing at players but I still find it hilarious that Joe Kelly faces more punishment than ALL Astros players who cheated to win a World Series.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Peter D. on July 31, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
This season is going to collapse like a house of cards, isn't it.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 31, 2020, 10:25:01 AM
This season is going to collapse like a house of cards, isn't it.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised it hasn't already. It's come pretty close, but, it hasn't quite caved in on itself yet. It does keep getting closer, though.



At least one positive test for the Cardinals.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 31, 2020, 10:51:30 AM
Season is starting very well for the Jays, another loss yesterday.

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 31, 2020, 11:45:18 AM

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on July 31, 2020, 11:53:21 AM
Season is starting very well for the Jays, another loss yesterday.
To be frank, Frank. I really thought the opening games would be killers.  Never do well at Tropicana, the place that Jays go to die. Nationals are defending champs and all.  Easily could have won two more of their games, one for certain.  So in the end being 4-3 is not a disaster.  Just hoping Giles doesn't need Tommy John and that Ryu doesn't become our next Dickie.  Looks like Pearson may be our Ace earlier than expected.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on July 31, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
I don't know how MLB would get hubs and bubbles for 60 games by the PA.

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on July 31, 2020, 03:07:58 PM
I don't know how MLB would get hubs and bubbles for 60 games by the PA.

Well, with money probably.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on July 31, 2020, 07:43:59 PM
I’m not to fussed about this, but I have been thoroughly unimpressed with Guerrero. I know he’s still young but he doesn’t appear as someone who is taking the majors seriously.

In any case, it’s hard to get too worked up because I don’t consider this a real season, and I’m not even sure they’ll complete the 60 games.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on August 01, 2020, 09:01:27 AM
I’m not to fussed about this, but I have been thoroughly unimpressed with Guerrero. I know he’s still young but he doesn’t appear as someone who is taking the majors seriously.

In any case, it’s hard to get too worked up because I don’t consider this a real season, and I’m not even sure they’ll complete the 60 games.
How can they with the protocols they have in place? The covid bomb is ticking.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 01, 2020, 12:11:09 PM
The conjecture is the season will be cancelled on Monday.  To bad, I was enjoying me baseball but if these guys can't keep safe, better to cancel it.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on August 01, 2020, 12:41:30 PM
The conjecture is the season will be cancelled on Monday.  To bad, I was enjoying me baseball but if these guys can't keep safe, better to cancel it.
100%. The league thinking they could pull this off with barely any restrictions Inacountry where the pandemic is raging was always foolhardy.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on August 01, 2020, 12:48:22 PM
The conjecture is the season will be cancelled on Monday.  To bad, I was enjoying me baseball but if these guys can't keep safe, better to cancel it.
100%. The league thinking they could pull this off with barely any restrictions Inacountry where the pandemic is raging was always foolhardy.

I think people are being a little unfair to MLB here. I agree that they probably should never have tried but the whole "It's so easy to do, just look at what the NBA/NHL are doing" stuff seems to really not have a grasp on what the issue really is. Realistically the bubble can work for a short amount of time. If, however, you're trying to schedule a season that could last 6 or 7 months and requiring guys to either be with their families during a time of pandemic or say goodbye for half a year or more, you'd have had massive amounts of opting out.

You couldn't realistically enforce some of the restrictions necessary for this to work so ultimately any real attempt was doomed to failure. So, yeah, give MLB a hard time for trying this but the idea that doing this was ever going to be easy or that there's a way to do it they simply didn't have the brainpower to figure out doesn't seem fair.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on August 01, 2020, 01:04:01 PM
The conjecture is the season will be cancelled on Monday.  To bad, I was enjoying me baseball but if these guys can't keep safe, better to cancel it.
100%. The league thinking they could pull this off with barely any restrictions Inacountry where the pandemic is raging was always foolhardy.

I think people are being a little unfair to MLB here. I agree that they probably should never have tried but the whole "It's so easy to do, just look at what the NBA/NHL are doing" stuff seems to really not have a grasp on what the issue really is. Realistically the bubble can work for a short amount of time. If, however, you're trying to schedule a season that could last 6 or 7 months and requiring guys to either be with their families during a time of pandemic or say goodbye for half a year or more, you'd have had massive amounts of opting out.

You couldn't realistically enforce some of the restrictions necessary for this to work so ultimately any real attempt was doomed to failure. So, yeah, give MLB a hard time for trying this but the idea that doing this was ever going to be easy or that there's a way to do it they simply didn't have the brainpower to figure out doesn't seem fair.
Aren't they also allowed to go out to restaurants while travelling? Do they have restrictions when they aren't playing?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 01, 2020, 01:10:14 PM
The conjecture is the season will be cancelled on Monday.  To bad, I was enjoying me baseball but if these guys can't keep safe, better to cancel it.
100%. The league thinking they could pull this off with barely any restrictions Inacountry where the pandemic is raging was always foolhardy.

I think people are being a little unfair to MLB here. I agree that they probably should never have tried but the whole "It's so easy to do, just look at what the NBA/NHL are doing" stuff seems to really not have a grasp on what the issue really is. Realistically the bubble can work for a short amount of time. If, however, you're trying to schedule a season that could last 6 or 7 months and requiring guys to either be with their families during a time of pandemic or say goodbye for half a year or more, you'd have had massive amounts of opting out.

You couldn't realistically enforce some of the restrictions necessary for this to work so ultimately any real attempt was doomed to failure. So, yeah, give MLB a hard time for trying this but the idea that doing this was ever going to be easy or that there's a way to do it they simply didn't have the brainpower to figure out doesn't seem fair.
Aren't they also allowed to go out to restaurants while travelling? Do they have restrictions when they aren't playing?

Gentlemen's clubs?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on August 01, 2020, 05:34:05 PM
Aren't they also allowed to go out to restaurants while travelling? Do they have restrictions when they aren't playing?

I don't know but that's sort of my point. MLB can't just unilaterally impose those sorts of restrictions on players.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on August 01, 2020, 08:50:35 PM
Aren't they also allowed to go out to restaurants while travelling? Do they have restrictions when they aren't playing?

I don't know but that's sort of my point. MLB can't just unilaterally impose those sorts of restrictions on players.
Then they aren't on the same page. Either they get that level of buy in and they keep playing or they don't and the season is over.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on August 02, 2020, 10:07:49 AM
Aren't they also allowed to go out to restaurants while travelling? Do they have restrictions when they aren't playing?

I don't know but that's sort of my point. MLB can't just unilaterally impose those sorts of restrictions on players.
Then they aren't on the same page. Either they get that level of buy in and they keep playing or they don't and the season is over.

Well, yeah, no kidding they're not on the same page. Remember the MLB and the PA weren't able to reach an agreement on how the season would go. MLB wouldn't budge off 60 games and eventually the PA stopped negotiating in favour of just reporting to work and deciding to file a labour grievance.

Again, I'm with you that absent being able to come up with a good plan they shouldn't have gone forward. I'm just saying that, realistically, there was no way to get the sort of thing you're saying they should have.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 06, 2020, 02:13:37 PM
Pearson starting again tonight against the Braves.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on August 06, 2020, 08:55:20 PM
Not a perfect start but still some great stuff.   Some of those 99MPH fastballs were just unhittable.   

Charlie Montoyo can’t fill out a lineup card correctly so we can add that to the crap pile that is his job as manager.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 07, 2020, 11:46:04 AM
I always looked at Charlie as a 2-3 year shepherding manager, that once all the new stars had a year or two under there caps, that a new manager would come in and work this team into champions.
I like Chuck M a lot, but some of his decision making is head-scratching.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 07, 2020, 11:54:48 AM
Charlie Montoyo can’t fill out a lineup card correctly so we can add that to the crap pile that is his job as manager.

Turns out, the actual issue might have been that he should have challenged the call by the umpire and played the rest of the game under protest (assuming Waguespack was actually recalled in time to be eligible for last night's game). Bullpen pitchers and bench players are only included on lineup cards as a courtesy, per rule 4.03 (c)

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(c) As a courtesy, each lineup card presented to the umpire-in-chief should list the fielding positions to be played by each player in the batting order. If a designated hitter is to be used, the lineup card shall designate which hitter is to be the designated hitter. See Rule 5.11(a). As a courtesy, potential substitute players should also be listed, but the failure to list a potential substitute player shall not make such potential substitute player ineligible to enter the game.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on August 07, 2020, 12:04:54 PM
I was more shocked that he benched Teoscar Hernandez, the team's best hitter right now, crazily, for Joe Panik. And on top of that, his rationale was because of "splits." *

*note, said splits also heavily favour Hernandez
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on August 07, 2020, 12:49:55 PM
Charlie Montoyo can’t fill out a lineup card correctly so we can add that to the crap pile that is his job as manager.

Turns out, the actual issue might have been that he should have challenged the call by the umpire and played the rest of the game under protest (assuming Waguespack was actually recalled in time to be eligible for last night's game). Bullpen pitchers and bench players are only included on lineup cards as a courtesy, per rule 4.03 (c)

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(c) As a courtesy, each lineup card presented to the umpire-in-chief should list the fielding positions to be played by each player in the batting order. If a designated hitter is to be used, the lineup card shall designate which hitter is to be the designated hitter. See Rule 5.11(a). As a courtesy, potential substitute players should also be listed, but the failure to list a potential substitute player shall not make such potential substitute player ineligible to enter the game.

Yeah, I saw that after the game.  Montoyo and Snitker (Atlanta's manager) both had Waguespack on their card.   I'm not sure that this makes the situation any better that Montoyo didn't even bother to advocate for his team.  I don't want to go back to the days of Gibby making a spectacle of jawing the umpire when something goes wrong but how you don't fight for your player there is honestly worse to me than what it originally seemed. 

I'm just really not a big fan of what he is doing.  And yeah, the benching Hernandez over "splits" is silly.

Last year Hernandez hit .222/.287/.462 against righties.   This year in extremely small sample size he is hitting .360/.393/.920 against righties. 

Joe Panik last year .232/.298/.323 against righties.  So you benched a guy who is incredibly hot for a guy who was a worse hitter against righties last year.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on August 16, 2020, 06:53:54 PM
This jays team reminds me of when homer was given the Denver Broncos

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on August 17, 2020, 05:29:22 AM
I managed to catch most of the games over the weekend. They were so bad. They're actually finding interesting ways to lose games now. It's almost impressive. I know a young team has to go through growing pains, but it seems that sadly some of them aren't really learning.

The big one was how lax Hernandez was trying to field that ball that he ten kicked away to give up the tying run in the last game last night.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 19, 2020, 12:08:48 PM
Interesting Chris Colabello news:


It really sucks for him and others if indeed they really were innocent all along.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 20, 2020, 11:40:10 AM
Jays finally win 3 in a row after dropping two games to the Rays in Buffalo that they were on the cusp of winning.  If they can string another bunch of games together we may just have a shot at the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 21, 2020, 11:25:37 AM
Make that 5 in a row with a stirring 6th inning comeback in Game 2 against Philly. After dropping 2 very winnable games to Tampa, things are looking much better, even without Bo in the lineup.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 22, 2020, 12:59:46 PM
6 in a Row, the Cardiac Kids are playing well.  Turns out they have great depth pitching all of a sudden, even Merryweather had a good inning or so in Philly the other day. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on August 22, 2020, 11:39:03 PM
Guerrero reminds me of Bautista, during his last year with the jays.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 27, 2020, 12:16:50 PM

Jays are (mildly) going for it.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 27, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
Guerrero reminds me of Bautista, during his last year with the jays.
Vlady is picking it up (a lot),  he is going to be fine.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on August 28, 2020, 05:04:48 PM
Guerrero reminds me of Bautista, during his last year with the jays.

He had an awful start to the year but his numbers have really been on a steady climb since then:

August - .284/.376/.506 for an .882 OPS

His HR%, Walk%, Strikeout% are all better than last year (modestly).  His launch angle is starting to creep up a little.  It's still not where we would prefer to be but some of the in game adjustments are starting to show some results.  He is definitely laying off outside pitches better.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on August 28, 2020, 05:43:26 PM
Guerrero reminds me of Bautista, during his last year with the jays.

He had an awful start to the year but his numbers have really been on a steady climb since then:

August - .284/.376/.506 for an .882 OPS

His HR%, Walk%, Strikeout% are all better than last year (modestly).  His launch angle is starting to creep up a little.  It's still not where we would prefer to be but some of the in game adjustments are starting to show some results.  He is definitely laying off outside pitches better.

We all expected him to mash like Fernando Tatis Jr is doing. He seems to be having trouble with fastballs. I still have hope.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 30, 2020, 12:06:19 PM
Vladdy is heating up big-time, as is Grichuck.  Jays are now 3 over .500 for the first time since May 2018.
Don't think they have had pitching like this in a long long time.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 31, 2020, 11:50:03 AM
Something really special is happening with the Blue Jays this year and no one is posting. Another comeback win by the cardiac kids.  I am so excited to think about this squad when they add Groshans, Martin, Kirk and Woods Richardson in the coming year or so.  Plus some of the other pitching prospects. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on August 31, 2020, 11:59:04 AM
Looks like we might have a shot at a wild card spot.

Also I keep hearing Montoyo sucks. I'm not super well versed in MLB Manager Strategy so why does he suck and why is he our manager? Should he/will he be canned?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 31, 2020, 01:01:32 PM
Montoya is a great manager for the kids, he is keeping things light and is an excellent guy to have at the helm in the growth stages.  He has won at lower levels as a manager, so maybe he will stay on as our guy. My thinking is that they will get a more experienced guy once the team is in real contention in 2 years.

However the wrap against him was when they were losing, now their winning he looks like frikken Einstein.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 31, 2020, 02:00:38 PM
Another new arm for the rotation:


Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 31, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Obviously a low risk move, and I would imagine this is plan C because plan A and B didn't work out.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on August 31, 2020, 02:28:22 PM
Travis who?  Sorry Bergen, we didn't get to know ya.  Welcome Robbie Ray
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 31, 2020, 02:47:04 PM
Obviously a low risk move, and I would imagine this is plan C because plan A and B didn't work out.

The M.O. seems to be all about low risk moves, which is fair, considering the crapshoot this season is, and the limited amount of playing time any acquisition is going to get (especially a starting pitcher - you're looking at 5 or 6 starts before the regular season ends). The Jays seem focused on bringing guys on expiring deals who can help now. Both Walker and Ray have been excellent in the past, and have been at least average-ish starters for most of their careers. That's not a huge endorsement, obviously, but, for a team with serious injury issues to their starting rotation, it has value.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 31, 2020, 03:06:09 PM
Obviously a low risk move, and I would imagine this is plan C because plan A and B didn't work out.

The M.O. seems to be all about low risk moves, which is fair, considering the crapshoot this season is, and the limited amount of playing time any acquisition is going to get (especially a starting pitcher - you're looking at 5 or 6 starts before the regular season ends). The Jays seem focused on bringing guys on expiring deals who can help now. Both Walker and Ray have been excellent in the past, and have been at least average-ish starters for most of their careers. That's not a huge endorsement, obviously, but, for a team with serious injury issues to their starting rotation, it has value.

Yeah, I'm not really being critical.  I agree with you.  And really they're chasing a wildcard spot here, it's not like they're dominant contenders.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 31, 2020, 03:11:18 PM
Jays also get Villar from the Marlins.

Infielder to play SS while Bichette is out.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 31, 2020, 03:39:59 PM
Jays also get Villar from the Marlins.

Infielder to play SS while Bichette is out.

A nice short-term pick up. Versatility in the infield (with mostly okay defence - not going to save you many runs, but not likely to cost you too many, either) with a reasonable bat and pretty good speed on the base paths. Considering how many tight/extra inning games the Jays seems to be involved in, adding someone who could come in as a pinch runner in those situations could be help add an extra W or two.

EDIT:


Conine produced well in the lower minors last season, but doesn't really project to be a particularly impactful MLB player.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 31, 2020, 05:22:02 PM
One addtional deal, Ross Stripling from the Dodgers for 2 PTBNL

Final list of addtions:

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on August 31, 2020, 05:47:42 PM
Stripling is an interesting add. Having a terrible season, but has been a reasonably reliable swing man for the Dodgers for the previous few seasons. Also, unlike the rest of the additions, he?s not a free agent at the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 04, 2020, 11:30:23 AM
Cardiac kids at it again, Hernandez homer in the 10th to win the game.  Base running is atrocious, they are really not doing well on the bases. Hope they can sweep the Sox. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 23, 2020, 11:49:16 AM
What a roller coaster ride of a season.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on September 23, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
What a roller coaster ride of a season.

It's odd because they are basically doing exactly what they probably shot.  They are a .500-ish team.  That being said they have also done it with awful defense, only a single reliable starter and a bunch of injuries.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on September 24, 2020, 08:59:35 PM
Ryu goes 7 shutout innings and the Jays finally get a 7 inning outing out of a starter.  2 innings away from a postseason berth
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on September 24, 2020, 11:05:22 PM
Woo-hoo!!
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on September 24, 2020, 11:15:41 PM
Ryu goes 7 shutout innings and the Jays finally get a 7 inning outing out of a starter.  2 innings away from a postseason berth

I miss complete games. They seem as frequent as no hitters these past few years.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Peter D. on September 25, 2020, 10:43:28 AM
I miss complete games. They seem as frequent as no hitters these past few years.

Analytics have really sucked the life out of the sport (moreso baseball out of all the sports).  Can't stand them.  But that's just me.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 29, 2020, 11:02:34 AM
Can't believe this thread has run so cold, hey people Jays are in the playoffs and in Tampa today.  Go Jays Go.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on September 29, 2020, 06:22:03 PM
So I don't really watch the Jays at the moment but... why is Montoyo playing Ray? He looks atrocious. Bad control.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on September 29, 2020, 08:30:44 PM
3 innings, 1hit, 1run, 5K's; Ray was pretty darn good.
I guess we could wonder about pulling Shoemaker after 35 pitches and using Cole (who pitched last game in a meaningless loss, for some reason) but Jays only scored one run which won't win you many. Too bad. Tampa pitched well but also made some great defensive plays.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on September 29, 2020, 08:33:47 PM

Tough loss but not a ton you can do there. I guess I wish they didn't give quite so many big at bats to Panik but nobody was hitting tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on September 29, 2020, 09:48:39 PM
Blame cannot be placed on the pitchers for this loss.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on September 29, 2020, 09:55:45 PM
Blame cannot be placed on the pitchers for this loss.

Nope. And the Shoemaker/Ray combo start instead Ryu in game 1 worked out just fine.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on September 29, 2020, 11:47:42 PM
I think it was a bad call pull Shoemaker when they did but yeah this one is on the incredibly ineffective at bats the Jays has against Snell.  He?s an ace so i don?t want to devalue his pitching but the Jays were chasing pitches pretty poorly especially early in the game
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on September 30, 2020, 09:59:23 AM
3 innings, 1hit, 1run, 5K's; Ray was pretty darn good.
I guess we could wonder about pulling Shoemaker after 35 pitches and using Cole (who pitched last game in a meaningless loss, for some reason) but Jays only scored one run which won't win you many. Too bad. Tampa pitched well but also made some great defensive plays.

Yeah I mean there were a couple of hits there I was surprised the Rays were able to catch. Not much you can do. Hope the bats come alive tonight.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on September 30, 2020, 10:05:20 AM
3 innings, 1hit, 1run, 5K's; Ray was pretty darn good.
I guess we could wonder about pulling Shoemaker after 35 pitches and using Cole (who pitched last game in a meaningless loss, for some reason) but Jays only scored one run which won't win you many. Too bad. Tampa pitched well but also made some great defensive plays.

Yeah I mean there were a couple of hits there I was surprised the Rays were able to catch. Not much you can do. Hope the bats come alive tonight.
Yep and that's what's so frustrating about playing the Rays at the Trop. They seem to always know the exact defensive positioning, they rarely make mistakes and are elite defenders. I mean we even outhit them yesterday after all. At least the Jays were competitive and hopefully some of those balls fall in today.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 30, 2020, 04:55:12 PM
Well, it was a nice run while it lasted.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on September 30, 2020, 04:57:53 PM
So free agency soon huh guys???
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 30, 2020, 06:17:25 PM
This is painful.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on September 30, 2020, 07:25:02 PM
Well that was a fun season?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Zee on September 30, 2020, 07:35:33 PM
Quite the postseason run. Bat flip chills
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on September 30, 2020, 08:46:17 PM
That's one way to end a season. Oof.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on October 01, 2020, 06:59:57 AM
Well, that was a capitulation in the end after a good effort in game 1.

Getting to the (all be it expanded) playoffs was a bonus and came early. A lot of young players far from being the complete finished articles. Hopefully the experience of the games down the stretch and even the 2 playoff games they got to play will be of benefit for next year.

It was the little details that they'd been getting away with in the regular season (the fielding errors, mainly and also the lack of batting discipline) that ended up costing them in the playoff games where there's no room to come back.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on October 01, 2020, 08:18:24 AM
Ryu was bad.   His fastball was around 87MPH.   I don?t know if that was injury or just rust.  If it?s injury fine, hold him back for Game 2 but I will never understand the logic of sitting your #1 pitcher who was on regular rest for the opener.

I also don?t understand why Rowdy was good enough to pinch hit but not good enough to DH in Game 2.

Neither of those things change the outcome of the series but they are bizarre decisions to me.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 01, 2020, 11:40:55 AM
Ryu was terrible, must be something to it. Hate Tropicana Field.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on October 02, 2020, 05:17:40 AM
Clearly going off topic a bit, but in response to that Highlander, I've been to loads of ballparks including Tropicana field and it IS by far the shittiest I've been to, but.... I actually kinda liked and enjoyed it. (I'd rank it and Skydome near the bottom sadly overall though).
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 02, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
Skydome is 30 years old and I always found it cold, not in a temperature way.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 02, 2020, 10:21:55 AM
Skydome is 30 years old and I always found it cold, not in a temperature way.

I'm a little biased. Going from the left field bleachers at Exhibition Stadium to the 500 Level at SkyDome as a little kid, was pretty much the coolest thing ever. The team was good and the crowds were huge.  The Skydome was packed every game pretty much until 1995. I'll never forget coming out of the tunnel and seeing the massive crowd in that massive stadium for the first time. It was a good time to be a Jays fan. 

In conclusion, the SkyDome is awesome.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on October 02, 2020, 10:31:27 AM
I'm a little biased. Going from the left field bleachers at Exhibition Stadium to the 500 Level at SkyDome as a little kid, was pretty much the coolest thing ever. The team was good and the crowds were huge.  The Skydome was packed every game pretty much until 1995. I'll never forget coming out of the tunnel and seeing the massive crowd in that massive stadium for the first time. It was a good time to be a Jays fan. 

In conclusion, the SkyDome is awesome.

Agreed. The Dome was never the most beautiful stadium. It doesn't exude warmth on its own. However, when it's full, it's can be a great place to watch a game. In the early 90s, it was great, and, even recently, when the Jays were in marching to the playoffs, it had a fun atmosphere. Most of the time, though, it's too big, too cold, etc. It's a bit of a relic.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on October 02, 2020, 10:56:09 AM
Having gone to a few stadiums in the US (Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Anaheim and philly) the Rogers centre feels like a parking garage.

If the roof is open it?s ok, but it?s got nothing on those open air parks I was in.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 02, 2020, 11:53:29 AM
its time we got a state of the art ballpark, made just for baseball (and rock concerts)
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 02, 2020, 04:50:13 PM
Having gone to a few stadiums in the US (Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Anaheim and philly) the Rogers centre feels like a parking garage.

If the roof is open it?s ok, but it?s got nothing on those open air parks I was in.

I remember going to the Skydome as a teenager and thinking it was the coolest thing ever. Especially after watching games from the ice cold bleachers at Exhibition. I've gone many times over the years and while it's cold, I've always enjoyed myself. There isn't much character there though.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 03, 2020, 11:13:32 AM
I never have been to the Skydome, sorry to say, but I spent a lot of time in the bleachers at Exhibition stadium for both the Jays and Argo's.  Quite a bit of time in the Big O for the Expo's.. that place is a true cavern.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on October 03, 2020, 11:17:25 AM

I think the Skydome just came around at the wrong time. I think the next MLB team to build a park after them was either Baltimore(or maybe the White Sox) and either way it really kicked off the fake-nostalgic, baseball-only old-timey vibe that's much more conducive to a nice baseball atmosphere than the cold, concrete spaceship thing the Dome had. I went to games a lot in the early, jam-packed days too and while the atmosphere was good among 55,000+ it was always a lousy place to watch a game.

It's a shame they couldn't have somehow used this season to tear it down and build something more in-line with modern thoughts on stadium architecture.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on October 03, 2020, 12:03:41 PM

I think the Skydome just came around at the wrong time. I think the next MLB team to build a park after them was either Baltimore(or maybe the White Sox) and either way it really kicked off the fake-nostalgic, baseball-only old-timey vibe that's much more conducive to a nice baseball atmosphere than the cold, concrete spaceship thing the Dome had. I went to games a lot in the early, jam-packed days too and while the atmosphere was good among 55,000+ it was always a lousy place to watch a game.

It's a shame they couldn't have somehow used this season to tear it down and build something more in-line with modern thoughts on stadium architecture.
But it also serves as a venue for other things like concerts. Would you want the next stadium to be open air?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 03, 2020, 01:11:24 PM
Hopefully they can design something that can close that looks attractive. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on October 03, 2020, 02:55:33 PM
Hopefully they can design something that can close that looks attractive.

Look at the Brewers stadium, that should be the template. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on October 03, 2020, 03:06:26 PM
But it also serves as a venue for other things like concerts. Would you want the next stadium to be open air?

I think you'd want a stadium along the lines of what they've built in Milwaukee or Seattle, with a retractable roof but still with the feel and amenities of a modern ballpark.

And I think those stadiums can still hold concerts for the few venues that need that sort of capacity. I know the Cowboys' stadium in Dallas can do concerts.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 03, 2020, 06:12:19 PM
But it also serves as a venue for other things like concerts. Would you want the next stadium to be open air?

I think you'd want a stadium along the lines of what they've built in Milwaukee or Seattle, with a retractable roof but still with the feel and amenities of a modern ballpark.

And I think those stadiums can still hold concerts for the few venues that need that sort of capacity. I know the Cowboys' stadium in Dallas can do concerts.

Just don't build something like the new ballpark in Arlington... it's not very good.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on October 03, 2020, 08:49:51 PM
As a side note I have been to a few concerts at the skydome (Iron maiden, depeche mode, Bowie and Nine inch nails) and the acoustics in there are awful. I would not miss that stadium as a concert venue at all.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on October 04, 2020, 01:11:18 AM
As a side note I have been to a few concerts at the skydome (Iron maiden, depeche mode, Bowie and Nine inch nails) and the acoustics in there are awful. I would not miss that stadium as a concert venue at all.
To be fair they suck at SBA also.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on October 04, 2020, 10:23:56 AM
My trips to the Dome were in around 2001 and 2004. Games against Tampa and the Red Sox. Went to 6 games in total. Jays lost all six. Yet still I adopted them as my team...

I guess my issue definitely was that the crowd was very sparse. I?d say more Sox fans than Jays fans at a couple of games almost. So it lacked atmosphere. But it?s an architectural marvel and I like how it integrates with the CN Tower and all.

Of the parks I?ve been to, Wrigley Field is probably my favourite just cos it?s old and historic and the ivy walls Then the houses with seats across the street and so on. Massive contrast with the White Sox stadium which is functional at best.

Fenway isn?t great but again has the history. I liked Camden Yards and that style with the big brick building behind it. I had tickets to a game in Phillie but had to cancel that trip so haven?t ticked it off yet.

I preferred old Yankee Stadium to new. Shea Stadium was cool manly cos I went on a night it was a Beatles tribute night on the anniversary of their show but it was showing they were ready to move out.

Tropicana Field is comfortably the worst. There was a massive storm outside and the rain was pouring through the roof but it was just a bit like the Dome in that it was probably built just as all the fancier faux historic designs were starting.

The Athletics need a custom built park. SF Giants stadium is awesome. I really want to visit San Diego, love the way they integrated the Metal Supply store into the stands.

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on October 04, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
To be fair they suck at SBA also.

What is the sba?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on October 04, 2020, 11:53:59 AM
The Air Canada Center?

Also just to add to my prior message, I quite liked the look of the park in Buffalo.

Is the dome now 100% baseball, they don?t move the stands around for football or anything any more?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on October 04, 2020, 11:59:29 AM
Yeah football is out of BMO field now, which I actually haven?t been there yet.

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on October 04, 2020, 12:13:21 PM
To be fair they suck at SBA also.

What is the sba?
I was too lazy to write Scotiabank Arena.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Bender on October 04, 2020, 12:15:37 PM
Yeah football is out of BMO field now, which I actually haven?t been there yet.
I like it but it's such a pain to get to. You basically park in Liberty Village and you walk the underground passage to get across the traintracks. With thousands of people it's a pretty annoying bottleneck. I like the field though, but I have nothing else to compare it to.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on October 04, 2020, 12:58:12 PM
To be fair they suck at SBA also.

What is the sba?
I was too lazy to write Scotiabank Arena.

I am just used to calling it the ACC. sBA just does not resonate with me yet. Didn?t make the connection sorry.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 04, 2020, 02:03:28 PM
As a side note I have been to a few concerts at the skydome (Iron maiden, depeche mode, Bowie and Nine inch nails) and the acoustics in there are awful. I would not miss that stadium as a concert venue at all.
To be fair they suck at SBA also.
Depends who you see and maybe where you're seated? Saw Judas Priest there and the sound was great. I think overall concrete doesn't bode well for sound.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 01, 2020, 02:59:16 PM
Anyone interested in bringing Stroman back?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 01, 2020, 03:11:38 PM
Anyone interested in bringing Stroman back?

I doubt he?s interested in coming back. Also, I wouldn?t sacrifice a draft pick to sign him. There are better options in the market.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 02, 2020, 11:39:35 AM
No more Strobro.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 03, 2020, 09:36:29 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: herman on November 05, 2020, 09:48:10 AM
Anyone here familiar with fluid dynamics?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on November 05, 2020, 05:58:17 PM

Reports are that Cleveland is definitely going to trade Francisco Lindor with the Jays as a possible interested party. I'd trade just about any Jay prospect not named Austin Martin for him.

Move Biggio to 3B, Bichette to 2B, Vladdy at 1B and move Martin permanently to LF or CF and that's a crazy good young lineup where you can still insert bats at DH and the corner outfield spots.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Deebo on November 05, 2020, 06:13:15 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on November 07, 2020, 03:10:47 PM
Jays re-sign Ray. 1 year 8mil
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on November 07, 2020, 03:25:57 PM

Not someone I was super excited to see return but at that price there's no real downside and there's a chance he finds his old form.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 07, 2020, 05:19:03 PM
Not someone I was super excited to see return but at that price there's no real downside and there's a chance he finds his old form.

Agreed. If they can help him find the strike zone more reliably, he?d be a good back of the rotation starter.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on November 07, 2020, 06:10:56 PM
Not someone I was super excited to see return but at that price there's no real downside and there's a chance he finds his old form.

Agreed. If they can help him find the strike zone more reliably, he?d be a good back of the rotation starter.

I remember they did that with Juan Guzman back in the day. But different coaches, different era.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 07, 2020, 06:18:48 PM
Can they send Roark to Robidas Island? 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on November 07, 2020, 08:38:48 PM
Can they send Roark to Robidas Island?

Borders are closed.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Andy on November 08, 2020, 06:44:59 AM
Can they send Roark to Robidas Island?

Borders are closed.

Just send him on a flight. For some reason there are plenty of flights to usa/abroad, but you can't drive...
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Joe S. on November 08, 2020, 12:20:08 PM
Can they send Roark to Robidas Island?

Borders are closed.

Just send him on a flight. For some reason there are plenty of flights to usa/abroad, but you can't drive...

You can only get there by water.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 08, 2020, 12:44:26 PM
Can they send Roark to Robidas Island?

Borders are closed.

Just send him on a flight. For some reason there are plenty of flights to usa/abroad, but you can't drive...

You can only get there by water.
this is true, canoe only.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on November 08, 2020, 01:20:04 PM

If the Jays eat a fair amount of his contract I think Roark might have some decent value to a bottom end team looking for an innings eater, provided last year was a bit of a fluke. Maybe a middling grade prospect or so or a bullpen arm. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on November 09, 2020, 10:46:12 AM
As much as I would love to have the defensive upgrade of Lindor at SS, I'm worried the price will be something that isn't really worth the move. 
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 09, 2020, 11:09:48 AM
As much as I would love to have the defensive upgrade of Lindor at SS, I'm worried the price will be something that isn't really worth the move.

With an extension in place, it might be. But, if he's not willing to sign on long-term, I agree. He's still young and he's an excellent all around player, but, to justify the asset cost, he'd have to be signed for at least 5 more seasons, I would think.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 10, 2020, 01:17:43 PM
As much as I would love to have the defensive upgrade of Lindor at SS, I'm worried the price will be something that isn't really worth the move.

With an extension in place, it might be. But, if he's not willing to sign on long-term, I agree. He's still young and he's an excellent all around player, but, to justify the asset cost, he'd have to be signed for at least 5 more seasons, I would think.
Tru dat, you need him in place for the run, but think we would probably have to give up Gurriel or Teoscar and probably Groshens or Kirk.. We have some players who can fill the SS role in the system.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 10, 2020, 01:27:15 PM
Tru dat, you need him in place for the run, but think we would probably have to give up Gurriel or Teoscar and probably Groshens or Kirk.. We have some players who can fill the SS role in the system.

Sure, but Lindor more than just fills the role. He's a legit superstar in his prime. That's not something the Jays have in the system at SS.

Will he cost a ton in assets and salary? Sure. Will he be worth it? If he sticks with the team long-term, absolutely.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 11, 2020, 03:30:53 PM
Anyone interested in bringing Stroman back?

I doubt he?s interested in coming back. Also, I wouldn?t sacrifice a draft pick to sign him. There are better options in the market.

Well, I guess we'll have to argue about something else now.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/marcus-stroman-accepts-qualifying-offer-return-mets/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 11, 2020, 04:08:03 PM
Anyone interested in bringing Stroman back?

I doubt he?s interested in coming back. Also, I wouldn?t sacrifice a draft pick to sign him. There are better options in the market.

Well, I guess we'll have to argue about something else now.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/mlb/article/marcus-stroman-accepts-qualifying-offer-return-mets/

Or jsut wait until next year. At least, on this particular subject.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik on November 27, 2020, 08:48:04 AM

Looks like we're nearing the end of the Dome era:

https://www.680news.com/2020/11/27/rogers-plans-to-demolish-the-rogers-centre-build-new-ballpark-in-its-place/ (https://www.680news.com/2020/11/27/rogers-plans-to-demolish-the-rogers-centre-build-new-ballpark-in-its-place/)
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on November 27, 2020, 09:04:59 AM
This would probably be the perfect time to do it if they are going to go ahead.  The Jays probably are playing in Buffalo again next year so you are minimizing your time playing outside Toronto.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 27, 2020, 10:42:17 AM
Being able to maintain the location would be great, too. Keeps the stadium easy to get to via public transit. Terrible to drive to, but, any viable location that wouldn't be an awful drive would be terrible via public transit.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Rob on November 27, 2020, 01:46:42 PM
So what we would they replace it with?  Open air or another dome?

The other domes seem to have worked out the kinks of growing grass under glass.  With our climate another dome makes sense but would cost over a billion dollars.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on November 27, 2020, 02:38:18 PM
So what we would they replace it with?  Open air or another dome?

The other domes seem to have worked out the kinks of growing grass under glass.  With our climate another dome makes sense but would cost over a billion dollars.

I think you have to make it a dome unless you want it unusable during the offseason for other events.  If they are building a new stadium they are going to want a piece of the concert/travelling show scene and outdoor won't be an option.  I think we probably would end up with a non-retractable roof.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 27, 2020, 03:45:08 PM
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Arn on November 27, 2020, 04:25:25 PM
First visited the Dome in 2001 and it was feeling pretty old fashioned then. I know they did a lot of work since then, but it always didn?t quite feel right. Particularly having since been to several newer build parks. If they get the design right though it could be fantastic
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 27, 2020, 04:26:05 PM
So what we would they replace it with?  Open air or another dome?

The other domes seem to have worked out the kinks of growing grass under glass.  With our climate another dome makes sense but would cost over a billion dollars.
I seem to remember in the early days sitting on the bench's at Exhibition Stadium in some pretty miserable weather for both the Jays and Argos.  Seems we survived it pretty well, although now that I am residing in an older guys body, I probably would appreciate some creature comforts.