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Title: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 19, 2020, 12:40:48 AM
Ladie and Gentlemen, Everyone...your 2020 Toronto Blue Jays.  Spring Training edition.


Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 19, 2020, 12:53:53 AM
Blue Jays Spring Training roster:  (Includes 40-man roster & NRI (Non-roster invitees).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Toronto_Blue_Jays_roster

Blue Jays begin their Grapefruit League schedule Saturday Feb. 22.
Heres a good synopsis of what Jays fans can expect to see:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-2020-spring-training-players-stories-watch/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 22, 2020, 02:14:45 PM
Big Nate Pearson just threw his first BP session and supposedly the guys were gasping at his 104MPH fastball. Out of his (I think it was 40 pitches), Walker said not one would have been a base hit.

Why is the consensus that Nate has to start the season in Buffalo?  Heck, this kid is already 23 and would have been in the bigs for sure this year without that freak injury two years back.  His work ethic is off the charts and maturity level is in place.

I say that Nate should be with the team on Opening Day and create some excitement around this team that has been sorely lacking for a long time (outside of the debut of Vlad, Biggio and Bichette last year). Time to get the boys rolling and build back an exciting Blue Jays team... I am ready for some baseball.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: The Empire on February 22, 2020, 05:25:33 PM
Big Nate Pearson just threw his first BP session and supposedly the guys were gasping at his 104MPH fastball. Out of his (I think it was 40 pitches), Walker said not one would have been a base hit.

Why is the consensus that Nate has to start the season in Buffalo?  Heck, this kid is already 23 and would have been in the bigs for sure this year without that freak injury two years back.  His work ethic is off the charts and maturity level is in place.

I say that Nate should be with the team on Opening Day and create some excitement around this team that has been sorely lacking for a long time (outside of the debut of Vlad, Biggio and Bichette last year). Time to get the boys rolling and build back an exciting Blue Jays team... I am ready for some baseball.

Agree.  At almost 24 he belongs in the majors but with 4 veterans already slotted in that leaves only the 1 open spot.  We have 2 injury prone starters in the rotation so my guess is they will start him in Buffalo and then call him up when Ryu or Shoemaker go down.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2020, 06:43:48 PM
Matt Shoemaker on the mound...

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2020, 06:50:30 PM
The Jays are currently 6 and 2.

Here are some Spring Training stats:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/_/name/tor (https://www.espn.com/mlb/team/stats/_/name/tor)

Alford is the strikeout king while Tellez is having a whale of a time.

Nate Pearson continues to shine.

https://jaysjournal.com/2020/03/02/blue-jays-nate-pearson-difference-playoff-push/
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 02, 2020, 07:33:01 PM
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on March 02, 2020, 09:06:20 PM
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.

ST means nothing until like the final week.  Guys are feasting off MiLB pichers.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 03, 2020, 12:02:15 PM
I actually think we may surprise if our pitching remains healthy.  Some of these guys in Spring Training are really hitting the ball well.

ST means nothing until like the final week.  Guys are feasting off MiLB pichers.
More in reference to the upgrade in pitching.  Hope Shoemaker can stay healthy, looks like he has picked up where he left off when he was injured last year.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: L K on March 04, 2020, 03:47:16 PM
New report saying the Astros players were telling pitchers after games that they stole signs that the pitcher was telegraphing pitches.  These guys are absolutely disgusting.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 04, 2020, 03:51:50 PM

Wasn't that always what they said about Darvish in the World Series? That the Astros beat him up so badly because he was telegraphing his stuff?
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: The Empire on March 07, 2020, 09:04:37 PM
They are disgusting.  For those that haven't seen the Rosenthal / Correa interview.  Must watch.  They are the victims.  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2020, 04:04:49 PM
They are disgusting.  For those that haven't seen the Rosenthal / Correa interview.  Must watch.  They are the victims.  LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjYEJ8XSXto
Cheating in any professional sport should be made a Federal Offence punishable by Federal terms.
The Astros that can be proven to have known and took place in this travesty should be banished from the game in lieu of jail time. Not slap on the hand one year suspensions.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 08, 2020, 05:45:44 PM
I really don't get working yourself into a lather over the morality of this stuff, especially considering Baseball's historical winking eye towards cheating. With steroids the whole thing was it was separate because it involved dangerous drugs that players might have felt pressure to use. This doesn't. Sign stealing is as old as the game and while the use of technology crosses the line between a violation of the rules and not, it doesn't make it some terrible ethical crime.

The problem here is with the lousy decision by MLB to not really take a sledgehammer to the Astros and their "championship" as a punishment. But the efforts to rig the scales in your favour is as old as baseball itself. They got caught, we know they're frauds, MLB messed up the punishment.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 08, 2020, 07:19:32 PM
Well, about time we see some Vladdy histrionics (cures boredom). 😁

Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2020, 07:55:10 PM
As the saying goes, if youre not cheating, youre not trying hard enough. Theres always been acceptable cheating in sports. What the Astros did clearly crossed the line.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 08, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
What the Astros did clearly crossed the line.

I suppose but I think it's interesting to ask why that is ethically. It isn't that using technology crosses the line between against the rules and not against the rules because things like a spitball/scuffball is against the rules and that's part of the grand tradition of baseball cheating. So is it that they did it and won a championship? That they did it despite being a talented team? That it was a group thing as opposed to an individual effort?

Again, it was wrong and they shouldn't do it and yadda yadda and all but it doesn't, like, offend me.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2020, 09:24:24 PM
I suppose but I think it's interesting to ask why that is ethically. It isn't that using technology crosses the line between against the rules and not against the rules because things like a spitball/scuffball is against the rules and that's part of the grand tradition of baseball cheating. So is it that they did it and won a championship? That they did it despite being a talented team? That it was a group thing as opposed to an individual effort?

Again, it was wrong and they shouldn't do it and yadda yadda and all but it doesn't, like, offend me.

For me, its that they went outside the players and coaches that were on the field or in the dugout. If your cheating scheme relies on people in the stands or the video room or whatever, it crosses the line. Id consider a video camera to be the same - theyre not on the field of play or operated by players or coaching staff. Using them to cheat is going too far. If it cant be done by the guys in uniform while theyre in uniform, its outside the acceptable realm.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 09, 2020, 09:30:04 AM
For me, its that they went outside the players and coaches that were on the field or in the dugout. If your cheating scheme relies on people in the stands or the video room or whatever, it crosses the line. Id consider a video camera to be the same - theyre not on the field of play or operated by players or coaching staff. Using them to cheat is going too far. If it cant be done by the guys in uniform while theyre in uniform, its outside the acceptable realm.

Eh. That makes a convincing case that it's different. I don't know about worse.

Like, the game over the last decade has seen teams spending millions of dollars to get the most advanced analytical information they can possibly get which is then put into manager's hands in whatever form they want so that they can make decisions on where to precisely position each defensive player on every pitch against every particular hitter but a guy in the bleachers trying to steal signs is a bridge too far in terms of off-field influence on the game?

I'm not disagreeing, exactly, obviously an ethical or moral question has no right or wrong answer and I understand and agree with the idea that what the Astros did should be against the rules and I'd be fine with the team receiving a much harsher penalty than they did. I just can't get worked up over it is all.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 09, 2020, 10:03:22 AM
Like, the game over the last decade has seen teams spending millions of dollars to get the most advanced analytical information they can possibly get which is then put into manager's hands in whatever form they want so that they can make decisions on where to precisely position each defensive player on every pitch against every particular hitter but a guy in the bleachers trying to steal signs is a bridge too far in terms of off-field influence on the game?

I think the difference there is that one is a fairly standard practice, and the information being relayed is aggregate data and trends that indicate likely possibilities, while the other is "this is what's happening right now." One allows the team to make informed decisions, while the other is telling the guy at the plate what pitch is coming now.

To me, they're quite different scenarios.
Title: Re: 2020 Blue Jays General Season Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 09, 2020, 10:37:46 AM
I think the difference there is that one is a fairly standard practice, and the information being relayed is aggregate data and trends that indicate likely possibilities, while the other is "this is what's happening right now." One allows the team to make informed decisions, while the other is telling the guy at the plate what pitch is coming now.

To me, they're quite different scenarios.


Except that all the Astros could do was guess at what pitch they thought was coming next based on having cracked the other team's signals, which can change at any moment. In the future, now that we know more about what the Astros did, it seems unlikely that short of using some sort of electronic signalling device(which we still don't know was ever used) you could communicate that to a hitter. After all, banging a trashcan now would lead to a pitcher and catcher changing their signals immediately.

That said, they are different. But different or not still isn't the question. Worse or not is. I'm not inclined to do it but if I had to say which has been worse for the sport? Eh...I could make the argument either way.