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Title: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 24, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
Let's kick things off for the Marlies thread with The Athletic's Q&A with head coach Sheldon Keefe (https://theathletic.com/1235140/2019/09/24/qa-with-sheldon-keefe-empowering-young-players-sean-mcvay-and-lessons-learned-with-the-maple-leafs/).

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When theres the amount of turnover in the Leafs roster as there was this summer, many of the players the Leafs signed are bound to be sent to the Marlies. What are the steps you take to bring them on board?

Last year we had a lot of continuity in the leadership. I think its important to have great leadership at the AHL level, without a doubt. But I also think with your young prospects, if the leadership doesnt change, the young players will really struggle to take a step. No matter what, theyre going to be the younger guy to the more established player. But when theres a leadership change though, its a great opportunity. Anyone who ends up coming down whos played for us for a year or two, now all of a sudden theyre the most tenured people. The young people are going to have a bigger voice. I think thats a really important piece in their development.

Why is it important to empower players sooner?

We ask a lot of our players. We ask a lot of their time and the standard we want them to bring every day. Were trying to make them NHL players. We think that takes a lot of work and time. Sometimes what they think they need to do and what we think they need to do are two different things. So the more that we can involve them in that process and making them understand more of what were doing, why theres an extra workout, why theyre not playing a game but were asking them to work with a strength coach instead. They need to know why were doing that. They cant look at it as a punishment. It has to be part of the process. Over time, as theyre established and more important players to your team, you want them to be involved in the decision making, when we travel, when the days off are.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 24, 2019, 11:38:32 AM
And this is what everyone's really interested in:
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Rasmus Sandin and Timothy Liljegren are two players that Leafs fans will keep their eyes on all season. Without lumping them together, whats something youve learned about them?

When it comes to Sandin, hes a guy that came in at 18 years old and really thrived right from the start. Its appropriate, the hype that hes gotten and the impact he was able to make at 18 years old, to play upwards of 30 minutes a night sometimes for us. We thought he showed signs of wearing down for us a bit at the end of the season but his play allowed us a chance to get there.

Liljegren, hes been here a year, he was drafted higher so theres a lot more attention put on him. Im glad you said you didnt want to lump them together because theyre two different players, two different drafts, completely different circumstances. The thing that happened with Liljegren, and it happened towards the second half of last season that was really cool for us, he really found his way defensively. He was billed as a high-octane offensive defenceman. And while I certainly think he has those abilities and were going to continue to work at that, the nice thing thats happened is that now he has a foundation on his defensive play that he became one of, if not our most reliable defensive players last year. He played against other teams best lines and on the penalty kill. That made him a really trusted player down the stretch. And ironically, the area we need him to take continued strides in is his offensive game. Hes evolving and trying to figure out what type of player he can be in the NHL. Thats taken some time.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on September 24, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
Nice thread Herman, thanks for starting it up.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 24, 2019, 06:40:50 PM
He was asked about the possibility of coaching in the big league:

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So do you find yourself dreaming a bit about coaching in the NHL when your friends ask you about it?
I want to coach in the NHL. Thats what Im preparing for. But never for a second have I ever thought it was going to be here. Ive learned a great deal from Mike Babcock and his coaching staff, both the new coaching staff and D.J. Smith and Jim Hiller previously. I take great pride and I recognize the responsibility I have to help them to have good players and constantly have players that are going to push to take spots on your team.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 29, 2019, 01:21:30 PM
Initial round of waiver-eligible loans cleared, so welcome Avery, Gaudet, Schmaltz, Harpur to the Marlies. Woll is also joining the Marlies for the first time.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on September 29, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Initial round of waiver-eligible loans cleared, so welcome Avery, Gaudet, Schmaltz, Harpur to the Marlies. Woll is also joining the Marlies for the first time.


Why didn't the Canucks claim Harpur?
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Bender on September 30, 2019, 03:02:11 AM
Initial round of waiver-eligible loans cleared, so welcome Avery, Gaudet, Schmaltz, Harpur to the Marlies. Woll is also joining the Marlies for the first time.


Why didn't the Canucks claim Harpur?
Because he sucks?
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2019, 10:23:16 AM

Brazeau, Duszak, and Hollowell getting sent straight to the ECHL already. Hopefully their strong play down there can force a call-up later on, but right now the Marlies just had too many players.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 30, 2019, 10:24:49 AM
The Growlers are hella stacked, sheesh.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Bullfrog on September 30, 2019, 10:33:58 AM
How do contracts with the ECHL work? Do players sign one or two-way AHL/ECHL contracts?
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2019, 10:45:58 AM
How do contracts with the ECHL work? Do players sign one or two-way AHL/ECHL contracts?

Hollowell and Duszak have NHL deals, so they'll receive their two-way salary whether they're in the AHL or ECHL. It doesn't go down another notch in the ECHL though.

Brazeau only has an AHL contract, which could be a one-way or two-way deal. We really don't get any details about those though. He could potentially be earning less coin in the ECHL though.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on September 30, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
Stacking all these NHL type guys on the Marlies allows the Leafs to call up a depth forward if need be near seasons end as opposed to making some "2nd round pick for 4th line center" type trade that we've been so fond of doing in the past.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 30, 2019, 11:37:02 AM
I was going to try to catch some Marlies games this year, but now I probably won't until Hollowell, Conrad, Duszak, and Brazeau are back up.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on September 30, 2019, 12:31:32 PM
I was going to try to catch some Marlies games this year, but now I probably won't until Hollowell, Conrad, Duszak, and Brazeau are back up.
Disappointing to say the least, however perhaps they will play max minutes on the Growlers. Perhaps this was why they started the ECHL in the first place, to actually develop prospects with real potential, not just long shots.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Coco-puffs on September 30, 2019, 12:46:09 PM
I was going to try to catch some Marlies games this year, but now I probably won't until Hollowell, Conrad, Duszak, and Brazeau are back up.
Disappointing to say the least, however perhaps they will play max minutes on the Growlers. Perhaps this was why they started the ECHL in the first place, to actually develop prospects with real potential, not just long shots.

Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on September 30, 2019, 01:01:57 PM
I was going to try to catch some Marlies games this year, but now I probably won't until Hollowell, Conrad, Duszak, and Brazeau are back up.
Disappointing to say the least, however perhaps they will play max minutes on the Growlers. Perhaps this was why they started the ECHL in the first place, to actually develop prospects with real potential, not just long shots.

Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

A couple shots of screech and they'll be on board.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 30, 2019, 01:05:17 PM
I dont think its a permanent thing. Im guessing theyre going to try to get some of the vets with potential but no Leafs prospects out to other NHL opportunities (a la Leivo) and get some more picks or AHL projects back.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 30, 2019, 01:10:32 PM
Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

I think it's totally understandable for fans to overhype their prospects a little, but we should probably keep in mind neither of those two were really considered in the top tier of NCAA free agents. SBNation had an article (https://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2019/3/7/18194739/2019-top-ncaa-nhl-free-agents) that ranked the top-10 college free agents and had an additional 24 names in their honourable mentions section and Duszak and Conrad weren't mentioned.

Maybe they were just oversights, and we obviously shouldn't be considering that as a definitive ranking, but these aren't the kinds of NCAA prospects that were going to walk in and challenge for a NHL spot anytime soon.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on September 30, 2019, 01:26:18 PM
Plus they are going to a Championship team! 8)
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on September 30, 2019, 01:36:38 PM
Just noticed that the Growlers have a 6'7" Goalie at camp, Ian Milosz. That is one large Goalie.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on September 30, 2019, 01:51:30 PM
Just noticed that the Growlers have a 6'7" Goalie at camp, Ian Milosz. That is one large Goalie.

Listed at 6'7" and 214lbs, that's one large, thin goalie.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Coco-puffs on September 30, 2019, 01:57:19 PM
Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

I think it's totally understandable for fans to overhype their prospects a little, but we should probably keep in mind neither of those two were really considered in the top tier of NCAA free agents. SBNation had an article (https://www.sbncollegehockey.com/2019/3/7/18194739/2019-top-ncaa-nhl-free-agents) that ranked the top-10 college free agents and had an additional 24 names in their honourable mentions section and Duszak and Conrad weren't mentioned.

Maybe they were just oversights, and we obviously shouldn't be considering that as a definitive ranking, but these aren't the kinds of NCAA prospects that were going to walk in and challenge for a NHL spot anytime soon.

Point taken: Conrad wasn't as sought after for sure.  He wouldn't have taken an AHL deal if there was serious interest elsewhere.

Duszak was in the top 10 for the Hobey Baker award so I don't agree there
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2019, 02:29:28 PM
Stacking all these NHL type guys on the Marlies allows the Leafs to call up a depth forward if need be near seasons end as opposed to making some "2nd round pick for 4th line center" type trade that we've been so fond of doing in the past.
Exactly. I think the kids are going to the Rock so they can play a lot. They wouldn't get that on the Marlies with Kivihalme, Lindgren, Harpur, Schmaltz, Gravel and Liljegren on the roster.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on September 30, 2019, 02:55:24 PM
Stacking all these NHL type guys on the Marlies allows the Leafs to call up a depth forward if need be near seasons end as opposed to making some "2nd round pick for 4th line center" type trade that we've been so fond of doing in the past.
Exactly. I think the kids are going to the Rock so they can play a lot. They wouldn't get that on the Marlies with Kivihalme, Lindgren, Harpur, Schmaltz, Gravel and Liljegren on the roster.
Yes let them all play 20+ a night and get the instruction and development staff they need to move up the chain.  Hopefully a few of them play for the Leafs at some point.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: herman on September 30, 2019, 04:39:23 PM
https://theathletic.com/1254030/2019/09/30/leafs-new-tiered-system-creates-longer-path-for-players-like-aaron-luchuk/

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Head coach Sheldon Keefe hinted at just how far the Leafs and Marlies were planning on taking that commitment [to the Newfoundland Growlers] this year.

Theres an obvious transition for us here now with camp being concluded. Weve got a number of players that were going to be welcoming in. I dont know what that number is going to be but its essentially a full team of guys. Theres going to be a lot of players here that will be joining the Growlers. With how it coincides with how the Leafs run their camp, they essentially keep our team until the very end, Keefe said.

One of the things Dubas has tried to do is change the conversation around the ECHL. Playing there is not a demotion, but an opportunity to mature your game. At least for the Marlies/Growlers, they're essentially both AHL level teams and the Leafs trusting the Growlers with so many of their prized prospects and projects is a huge commitment. They're going to get premium minutes with the Growlers vs the bottom 6 time with the Marlies.

I still think some of these big(ger) names get shuffled back to Toronto when the dust settles on the waiver front. Either way, the development team is going to be packing on some serious air miles.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Coco-puffs on September 30, 2019, 05:31:40 PM
An interesting note about the guys going down to the ECHL. 

- Guys on NHL contracts can't be sent down to the ECHL unless they are on ELC contracts or agree to it.
- The ECHL has a 4 Veteran Maximum

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A veteran shall mean a player, other than a goaltender, who has played in at least 260 regular season games of professional hockey. Provided however, any player signed to a NHL or AHL contract which contains an ECHL assignment provision shall be exempt from the foregoing rule. Notwithstanding the above, any player assigned to an ECHL member team on a NHL or AHL contract shall be deemed to be a veteran if said player is 24 years or older and has participated in 260 regular season professional hockey games as of the opening day of the season of said year.

So some of the guys sent down might have been chosen because of those rules over whether they might be better than some of the guys we recently waived.
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: Arn on October 01, 2019, 06:57:22 AM
Is it worth having a Growlers thread or is this one more a Marlies/Growlers thread overall now kind of by default?
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 01, 2019, 07:28:28 AM
Is it worth having a Growlers thread or is this one more a Marlies/Growlers thread overall now kind of by default?

I think we should just mashem together here.

Marlies = Leafs subs
Growlers = prospect development
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on October 01, 2019, 08:17:11 AM
Yeah I think mashing them together makes sense.  We can track all prospects and potential prospects in one thread.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2019, 10:02:21 AM

Neat chart showing the organizational depth chart. Seems most pertinent here since we all know what the Leafs look like already.

One thing is clear: the Marlies won't really be a young/developmental team this season. And that's more the fault of not really getting much from a few drafts in a row there than it is a logjam of veterans.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 01, 2019, 10:16:27 AM
In before people try to tell you what logjam really means.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 01, 2019, 10:27:14 AM

I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring it up but I'm having a difficult time with the ECHL team's name and separating it from its slang usage.

Couldn't have gone with, like, Dogs or something?
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2019, 11:01:02 AM
I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring it up but I'm having a difficult time with the ECHL team's name and separating it from its slang usage.

Couldn't have gone with, like, Dogs or something?

Had to go to google to figure out what you meant, don't think I've ever heard it used that way before.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 01, 2019, 11:05:11 AM
I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring it up but I'm having a difficult time with the ECHL team's name and separating it from its slang usage.

Couldn't have gone with, like, Dogs or something?

Had to go to google to figure out what you meant, don't think I've ever heard it used that way before.

I'm not sure which of the google results you landed on but I'm referring to the use of it to mean a large, impending #2.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2019, 11:08:27 AM
I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring it up but I'm having a difficult time with the ECHL team's name and separating it from its slang usage.

Couldn't have gone with, like, Dogs or something?

Had to go to google to figure out what you meant, don't think I've ever heard it used that way before.

I'm not sure which of the google results you landed on but I'm referring to the use of it to mean a large, impending #2.

Ah, there appears to be... two sides to that slang then.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 01, 2019, 11:30:25 AM
Growlers: Imposing and inevitable, and come game time you'll be in a rush to fill your seat. Seems fitting.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: louisstamos on October 01, 2019, 11:35:11 AM
Growlers: Imposing and inevitable, and come game time you'll be in a rush to fill your seat. Seems fitting.

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Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 01, 2019, 11:46:27 AM
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Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on October 01, 2019, 12:09:27 PM
I only know growler as a beer container
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 01, 2019, 12:28:27 PM
Really good chart, nice and concise.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Arn on October 01, 2019, 04:06:01 PM
I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring it up but I'm having a difficult time with the ECHL team's name and separating it from its slang usage.

Couldn't have gone with, like, Dogs or something?

Had to go to google to figure out what you meant, don't think I've ever heard it used that way before.

I'm not sure which of the google results you landed on but I'm referring to the use of it to mean a large, impending #2.

Ah, there appears to be... two sides to that slang then.

Indeed. In the UK it somehow became slang for a ladys genital region. So yes, it tends to raise a smirk when the name is mentioned
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Jolly good show chaps on October 04, 2019, 03:24:19 AM
I'm sure I'm not the first person to bring it up but I'm having a difficult time with the ECHL team's name and separating it from its slang usage.

Couldn't have gone with, like, Dogs or something?

Had to go to google to figure out what you meant, don't think I've ever heard it used that way before.

I'm not sure which of the google results you landed on but I'm referring to the use of it to mean a large, impending #2.

Ah, there appears to be... two sides to that slang then.

Indeed. In the UK it somehow became slang for a ladys genital region. So yes, it tends to raise a smirk when the name is mentioned

Yep. I can't help but smirk every time I hear it.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 05, 2019, 05:41:45 PM
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 06, 2019, 10:20:02 AM

The plan laid out
Title: Re: Marlies 2019-2020
Post by: L K on October 06, 2019, 10:36:57 AM
I was going to try to catch some Marlies games this year, but now I probably won't until Hollowell, Conrad, Duszak, and Brazeau are back up.
Disappointing to say the least, however perhaps they will play max minutes on the Growlers. Perhaps this was why they started the ECHL in the first place, to actually develop prospects with real potential, not just long shots.

Have to wonder if putting a guy like Duszak or Conrad in the ECHL has negative impacts on signing future college free-agents.  I'm sure there are many benefits to signing with the Maple Leafs org. (player development seems to be of the highest standard) but having the chance of being shipped to NFLD probably isn't a big seller.

And I'm not knocking the ROCK.  I loved it there when I visited but the perception of going there is probably not that strong, especially among american college free-agents.

I think it depends on how players project up the roster.   These guys want to play in the NHL.   If guys spend time in the ECHL where the Leafs are spending way more than the conventional team it is less of an issue.  But ultimately opportunity will be what players look for.   These guys arent NHL ready so if the Leafs help them get there, whether for this organization or another they will continue to sign with us.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2019, 03:26:47 PM
Marlies have back and back games on Friday/Saturday in Manitoba this weekend.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2019, 03:54:54 PM
As someone who is in the business, I must say that the website of the Marlies and the Growlers are embarrassing bad. Leafs should spend some money on revamping these sites.  And keeping them updated daily.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 07, 2019, 08:01:15 PM
As someone who is in the business, I must say that the website of the Marlies and the Growlers are embarrassing bad. Leafs should spend some money on revamping these sites.  And keeping them updated daily.

The Marlies one seems like it may be limited by the AHL's website. I clicked on a couple others and they all look similar.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 08, 2019, 11:15:00 AM

Didn't hear about this over the weekend. Hope he's ok.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 08, 2019, 02:21:21 PM
As someone who is in the business, I must say that the website of the Marlies and the Growlers are embarrassing bad. Leafs should spend some money on revamping these sites.  And keeping them updated daily.

The Marlies one seems like it may be limited by the AHL's website. I clicked on a couple others and they all look similar.
NHL is the same...  nhl.com/team name
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: princedpw on October 08, 2019, 02:27:36 PM

Didn't hear about this over the weekend. Hope he's ok.

That really sucks.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 08, 2019, 03:55:43 PM
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 12, 2019, 06:16:33 PM

Engvall and Korshkov had a day
Aberg had two goals as well.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 13, 2019, 12:24:22 PM
Woll will be our Wall.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 13, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
Engvall is really lighting it up with the Marlies..starting to think this may work very soon with the Leafs.
Timashov-Engvall-Goat.
Although I like Shores game last night, I like Engvall's a lot more.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2019, 01:17:26 PM
Engvall and Korshkov had a day

Korshkov has more goals than DeBrincat this season.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 13, 2019, 02:26:52 PM
Engvall and Korshkov had a day

Korshkov has more goals than DeBrincat this season.

Alex DeBrincat Career AHL Goals: 0
Egor Korshkov Career AHL Goals: 3

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Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 15, 2019, 09:52:12 AM
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/10/15/20912009/toronto-marlies-progress-report-egor-korshkov-is-the-real-deal-engvall-woll-bracco-harpur-liljegren

Marlies forward lines are: two seasoned prospects + league min. veteran

Everyone is fighting for an NHL opportunity.

Foundational developmental focus is in Newfoundland
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2019, 01:27:30 PM
I am starting to envision a line that goes like this 4th line Leafs: Timashov, Engvall, Goat. 

Not sold on Shore, I think having Spezza around is a good thing as the old guy in the room, who can take a few faceoffs from time to time.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 15, 2019, 06:03:39 PM

For a giant human, Brazeau is quite sneaky
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2019, 08:10:07 PM
Let it be the first of many for the real "Justin"
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 16, 2019, 07:02:04 PM
He had 5 points in that third game, including that goal above.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 16, 2019, 07:26:59 PM
Marlies up 2-0.Korshkov with a tap in from Bracco who has 2 assists so far. Sandin with an assist, Agostino with the 1st goal. KK solid in net.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on October 31, 2019, 10:26:02 AM
https://theathletic.com/1287214/2019/10/31/egor-korshkovs-journey-from-38-hour-bus-trips-through-russia-to-a-shot-at-the-leafs-in-toronto/

So it turns out Antropov wasn't just helping out at development camp over the summer, but has joined the dev team on the regular as a skills coach (and Russian interpreter as Korshkov has next to zero English).

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After impressing Leafs head coach Mike Babcock in training camp, a plan was put in place that mandated Korshkov be groomed for a specific role with the NHL club.

Hes a big-body player, he has a high degree of skill, for him its a question of getting acclimated, of playing meaningful minutes. Last year, he joined our team, which was very well set for the playoff run, we didnt see him play quite nine minutes a game. The mandate to our coaches is that hes going to play, Marlies general manager Laurence Gilman said ahead of the teams home opener.

The more ice time he gets down here and the more opportunity he gets to see different situations, the better hell be at hopefully getting to the NHL sooner.

Getting Korshkov to the NHL sooner, rather than later, meant that Keefe was asked to ensure he plays in the Marlies top six forwards at even strength, on the top power play unit and on one of their two penalty kills. Early on in the season, after coming away impressed with what he saw in Korshkovs defensive instincts and soft hands, Keefe was comfortable using him in that role. Instead of being forced to use Korshkov in a specific way, Keefe learned that he was actually well-equipped to play anywhere in the lineup.

He's been hanging out with Mikheyev in his down time.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 01, 2019, 09:31:09 PM
Petan makes an immediate impact for the Marlies potting 2 (the opening goal and the eventual game winner) and assisting on two en route to a 7-4 win
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 01, 2019, 10:58:52 PM
Petan makes an immediate impact for the Marlies potting 2 (the opening goal and the eventual game winner) and assisting on two en route to a 7-4 win

Agostino also had 2 goals and 2 assists.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 02, 2019, 10:17:16 AM

Growlers and Marlies are a bit OP for their respective leagues.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 02, 2019, 10:17:43 AM
Petan makes an immediate impact for the Marlies potting 2 (the opening goal and the eventual game winner) and assisting on two en route to a 7-4 win

Agostino also had 2 goals and 2 assists.

They should be in the NHL.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Frank E on November 02, 2019, 11:51:09 AM
Brazeau with 3g 4a in 8 games.

I don't have any context for those numbers other than most of the forwards are at least in and around a PPG pace.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Bullfrog on November 02, 2019, 01:29:24 PM
Swamp Rabbits is one of the greatest team names I've ever heard.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 02, 2019, 02:04:42 PM
Can't figure out why Rsnen is not on the Growlers.  Seems the gig in Russia is not helping him all that much..bring him over, get him in our system and let him play huge minutes.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 02, 2019, 02:06:49 PM
Can't figure out why Rsnen is not on the Growlers.  Seems the gig in Russia is not helping him all that much..bring him over, get him in our system and let him play huge minutes.

He wanted to be close to home.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 03, 2019, 12:09:49 PM
If he wants to be in the NHL, then he has to man up.  Look at what Yorgi had to do!!
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 06, 2019, 11:44:10 AM
Key return piece of the Brown/Zaitsev trade, Aaron Luchuk, has been reassigned to the Marlies and makes his debut today at 1C (Brooks is injured). In 10 games for the Growlers, Luchuk put up 5G and 11A to lead the team in scoring.


Giorgio Estephane, second leading scorer on the Growlers was also recalled and will be making his debut as well.

Sandin is sitting as part of his rotation, as he routinely plays 30+ min in all situations.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 06, 2019, 12:43:35 PM
Cool.

This was the Marlies only goal en route to their first regulation loss of the season.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 06, 2019, 04:41:45 PM
 Kasimir Kaskisuo has performed like a capable starter, posting a .924 save percentage through his first six games. Hes had to face a heavy dose of scoring chances against every night, but has mostly found a way to keep the puck out.  (from PPP)...I would think after todays game 28 saves on 30 shots his save percentage went up?
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 12, 2019, 04:10:10 PM
Joey Duszak and Mac Hollowell have been called up to the Marlies.
Keefe says this was always the plan, but with Liljegren likely on the shelf for a while, this is a good opportunity for these two RD to show what they've got.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 12, 2019, 05:23:25 PM
Joey Duszak and Mac Hollowell have been called up to the Marlies.
Keefe says this was always the plan, but with Liljegren likely on the shelf for a while, this is a good opportunity for these two RD to show what they've got.
Great news on this move. These guys have very large upsides.  The way Barrie is playing I would say I would trade him in a minute, he is not going to be in long term plans anyway.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Frank E on November 12, 2019, 06:01:03 PM
Joey Duszak and Mac Hollowell have been called up to the Marlies.
Keefe says this was always the plan, but with Liljegren likely on the shelf for a while, this is a good opportunity for these two RD to show what they've got.

I figured this was going to happen.  They're the best of the Growlers d-men that have some upside and future.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 13, 2019, 08:28:59 AM
I'm not sure if this means they'll be up for the rest of the season. The way Keefe was talking it seemed like this was just a planned time for them to come up while the Marlies and Growlers were both off during the week for some practices and skill development sessions and sorta just to catch up and see how they're doing a month+ into the season. Obviously though, Liljegren's injury opens up an opportunity for them to maybe get some games in now.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 13, 2019, 11:47:04 AM
The nice thing I don't feel like it was in the ol days when guys had to be fast tracked to the big team.

We now have Lilypad in this 3rd year with the Marlies, Sandin going strong into his 2nd year with them. Now we can have guys like Hollowell and Duzak hone their craft there for 2 or 3 years and then come up.  Nice system to have in place.  Lets hope a few of the other young D  pan out as well
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 13, 2019, 01:06:41 PM
Just watched the PPP Marlies update for the two games on the weekend.  Engvall is tearing it up.  I really think he would be a huge upgrade on Shore and Goat and him played together with the Marlies to a good effect. He needs a chance. Also why is Petan playing when we could be having a look at Bracco (Marner light).
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 14, 2019, 07:58:54 PM
Not one word on Liljegren as yet, why so hush, hush??????? Enquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 14, 2019, 10:21:18 PM
Not one word on Liljegren as yet, why so hush, hush??????? Enquiring minds want to know.

The Marlies tend not to publicize injury information. Like Marchments been injured since training camp and not a peep.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 14, 2019, 11:21:09 PM
Also why is Petan playing when we could be having a look at Bracco (Marner light).
They say Petan is too good for the A so that's why he's up. What I don't understand is he's really a top 6 forward type, so play him there. He should be with JT and Hyman. If the Leafs called up Bracco it would be the same crap. He'd be on the 4th line. Bracco has NHL calibre passing so i don't see why he doesn't get a shot.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Bender on November 14, 2019, 11:40:19 PM
Also why is Petan playing when we could be having a look at Bracco (Marner light).
They say Petan is too good for the A so that's why he's up. What I don't understand is he's really a top 6 forward type, so play him there. He should be with JT and Hyman. If the Leafs called up Bracco it would be the same crap. He'd be on the 4th line. Bracco has NHL calibre passing so i don't see why he doesn't get a shot.
With the amount of griping we do about defensive responsibility?
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 15, 2019, 11:41:14 AM
Not one word on Liljegren as yet, why so hush, hush??????? Enquiring minds want to know.

The Marlies tend not to publicize injury information. Like Marchments been injured since training camp and not a peep.
Hey Herman, I forgot all about Marchment and now I know why.  He does get injured a lot doesn't he.  Just his ruff and tumble way of playing I guess.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 15, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/11/14/sheldon-keefe-on-the-toronto-marlies-systems/

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Youve got new players coming in like Kenny Agostino, Pontus Aberg, and Jordan Schmaltz players that are experienced. The younger players are learning, too, but how long does it take for them to grasp what you are trying to do and say, This is something we really can sink our teeth into?

Keefe: I think it is player specific, right? Every player is going to be different in terms of how they grasp it. I think in particular with our defense, we ask them to do a lot of things with and without the puck that for many of them, theyre hearing for the first time. It is a lot different than how they are being asked to play in different places. For some of them, it is a challenge and it takes time. We believe once they get it, things really start to come together for both them and our team.

Looking at our defense, we have Sandin and Liljegren here that spent significant time with us last season. Beyond that, we have six new other guys making up our eight defensemen. It has been a challenge in that sense, but it is exciting at the same time because you get to teach these concepts and try to make the players be Marlies and play the way we want to play and the way weve built the program up over the last number of years. That is a fun process for me and our staff.

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How much of the systems do you share between the Marlies and Leafs? How much do they expect the Marlies to experiment with new systems? What were you told to work on with Rasmus Sandin when he was sent back to the Marlies?

Keefe: The process really hasnt changed a whole lot in terms of my relationship with the Leafs and with Mike Babcock and the Leafs staff. I take part in all of their meetings in the summertime and Im with them all through camp and exhibition season. I am just fortunate enough to be a part of that staff throughout the entire process. Most of the players that are with us now are also in that mix. Learning the system and the structure that part of it doesnt change when they come here, obviously.

We are trying to build players to play for the Maple Leafs, so how we are playing defensively and the structure that we play with and the expectation of what they want here is something we work towards every single day. We are constantly pulling clips from Leafs games and showings them to players what they are expected to know and what it looks like at the NHL level. We are reinforcing that daily.

Within that, we believe given we are more in a development level, we are also trying to try different things and push players beyond a certain structure and a certain system trying to create really complete players and work on different skills that may be more advanced beyond what is expected so that when the opportunities are there, they can take advantage of them. But certainly knowing the structure and knowing the spots to be in is priority one, and thats established very well by Mike and the Leafs training camp by day one of training camp.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 19, 2019, 01:01:36 PM
Liljegren is back to skating (alongside Kivihalme at practice today) and Marchment is also back on his feet since training camp.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: princedpw on November 19, 2019, 01:34:04 PM
Liljegren is back to skating (alongside Kivihalme at practice today) and Marchment is also back on his feet since training camp.

Is it worrisome that this guy seems to be hurt a lot?  Are the injuries connected to one another?  Is there a reason to be worried about future health?

I think someone also posted that Sandin was injured too.  He's had several injuries as well, hasn't he?
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 19, 2019, 01:55:56 PM
Liljegren is back to skating (alongside Kivihalme at practice today) and Marchment is also back on his feet since training camp.

Is it worrisome that this guy seems to be hurt a lot?  Are the injuries connected to one another?  Is there a reason to be worried about future health?

I think someone also posted that Sandin was injured too.  He's had several injuries as well, hasn't he?

Theyre teens playing in a mens league full of guys who grew up being told hockey players need to be tough and thats what will get you into the lineup and then now it doesnt (without requisite skill and work rate), so here they are trying to prove their worth by mashing people in the AHL.

Sandin and Liljegren routinely play 30 min when theyre in the lineup so... thats why they get injured sometimes.

Their injuries thus far have all been incidental to playing a game where vulcanized rubber and giant bodies are flying around, and generally being super involved in everything.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on November 19, 2019, 03:40:27 PM
doot de doot
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Frank E on November 19, 2019, 04:10:23 PM
You better write a nice letter to Santa, or pray to whoever it is you pray to when you need good fortune at the expense of others...the Leafs sure need these guys to take a step.

Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 20, 2019, 05:12:05 PM
Who is taking over the Marlies?????????????????????
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 20, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
Who is taking over the Marlies?????????????????????
Gilmour lol
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on November 28, 2019, 01:25:10 PM
What happened to all the prospect reports on PPP and other sites. Looks like their are no Marlies or Growlers or prospects to hear about.  :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on December 04, 2019, 02:15:23 PM
Huge offensive boost for the Marlies with Petan, Marchment, and Marincin joining the ranks.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 04, 2019, 02:27:22 PM
Huge offensive boost for the Marlies with Petan, Marchment, and Marincin joining the ranks.
Marincin won't be helping. He doesn't play much on the Marlies either. He's played a whopping 2 games for them this year.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 04, 2019, 02:28:56 PM
Marincin won't be helping. He doesn't play much on the Marlies either. He's played a whopping 2 games for them this year.

He's only been on their roster for like 4 days this season. How many games should he have played in that time?
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 04, 2019, 02:41:47 PM
Marincin won't be helping. He doesn't play much on the Marlies either. He's played a whopping 2 games for them this year.

He's only been on their roster for like 4 days this season. How many games should he have played in that time?
I actually thought it was more seeing he was waived early Nov but I see he was only sent down last week. Will be interesting to see how much he plays there.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Frank E on December 04, 2019, 02:44:55 PM
Marincin won't be helping. He doesn't play much on the Marlies either. He's played a whopping 2 games for them this year.

He's only been on their roster for like 4 days this season. How many games should he have played in that time?

He should have played at least 5 games, if he actually made an effort.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on January 02, 2020, 01:50:11 PM

Greg Moore is making his mark

Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on January 03, 2020, 11:33:02 AM
I am really missing all the prospect updates that PPP used to do on a weekly basis.  Don't know what is going on over there, but it would be nice to have some of our prospect reports from N.A and Europe.  Also more updates on the Growlers and a bit more on the Marlies.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on January 04, 2020, 09:20:21 AM
I'll be at the Marlies game this afternoon doing some scouting for the board
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on January 04, 2020, 10:38:12 AM
I'll be at he Marlies game this afternoon doing some scouting for the board
Great news Zee, enjoy the show.  Moore not having the most success with most of the good players out of town. 
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on January 04, 2020, 07:30:04 PM
Marlies win 5-2.

Kossila was man of the match. Scored two very nice goals. Bracco had a nice assist on the first goal but was pretty quiet the rest of the game.

I liked Hollowell on the back end. Kid really knows how to jump into the play and has good offensive vision. Also he was paired with Harpur so he gets extra marks for surviving that.

Liljegren wasn't really that noticeable.


Players that should never get called up to the Leafs: Harpur. He's very bad.

Korshkov scored, looked alright. Agostino and Aberg also were good on the night. Aberg scored on a nice tip.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on January 21, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
Mason Marchment has been on a tear with the Marlies since returning from his stint with the Leafs.  Had a hat trick first game back and been in on most of the other goals since then.
He is making a case for himself to be back on the big team.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 21, 2020, 12:02:55 PM
Mason Marchment has been on a tear with the Marlies since returning from his stint with the Leafs.  Had a hat trick first game back and been in on most of the other goals since then.
He is making a case for himself to be back on the big team.
Bringing guys up is a confidence booster and it looks like he liked how it was up with the big club. I think he'll be back before the year is, maybe after trade deadline.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2020, 12:08:14 PM
A hat trick is definitely nice, but Marchment doesn't seem like a player who is going to make the NHL because of his scoring. If his physical game doesn't show up at the NHL level he's toast.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Highlander on January 21, 2020, 01:35:17 PM
That's what I like about him, he has the sandpaper and also some scoring skills. We need a guy like him on the team, as the Goat wouldn't hurt a fly.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2020, 11:59:17 AM
Marlies this season under Keefe:
10-2-3

Marlies this season under MacLean/Davison:
7-5-0

Marlies this season under Moore:
4-9-1

I'm not an observant Marlies guy so I don't want to blame this all on Moore. There's probably some other factors here as well like Sandin being away for all but 2 games while he was behind the bench. But the Marlies are now in danger of falling out of a playoff spot. They occupy the last spot in their division but have 2 teams right behind them.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2020, 12:50:32 PM
Marlies this season under Keefe:
10-2-3

Marlies this season under MacLean/Davison:
7-5-0

Marlies this season under Moore:
4-9-1

I'm not an observant Marlies guy so I don't want to blame this all on Moore. There's probably some other factors here as well like Sandin being away for all but 2 games while he was behind the bench. But the Marlies are now in danger of falling out of a playoff spot. They occupy the last spot in their division but have 2 teams right behind them.


Keefe would have also had Engvall on the Marlies for his games and he was a point a game player for them. Goaltending is also a question mark in the minors and Kaskisuo/Woll could run hot and cold.  Tough to say really.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 22, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
Keefe would have also had Engvall on the Marlies for his games and he was a point a game player for them. Goaltending is also a question mark in the minors and Kaskisuo/Woll could run hot and cold.  Tough to say really.

Brooks would be another one, he's only played 2 games with Moore. Hopefully they can turn things back around soon.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: Zee on January 22, 2020, 01:48:05 PM
Keefe would have also had Engvall on the Marlies for his games and he was a point a game player for them. Goaltending is also a question mark in the minors and Kaskisuo/Woll could run hot and cold.  Tough to say really.

Brooks would be another one, he's only played 2 games with Moore. Hopefully they can turn things back around soon.

Forgot about Brooks and didn't even realize how much of a contributor he was with the Marlies, 16 points in 20 games.   But yeah, probably a bunch of factors.  Lose your best d-man in Sandin, guys like Engvall and Brooks and iffy goaltending, plus the brand new coach isn't as familiar with the team and which buttons he can press etc.
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: herman on January 22, 2020, 02:09:20 PM
Both the Marlies and Leafs have lost significant chunks of their top-4 defense and in the Marlies' case their top 6 centres.

Given more opportunity, some Marlies have stepped up, while others have regrettably not
Title: Re: Marlies & Growlers 2019-2020
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 24, 2020, 01:59:33 PM

A good article reviewing all of the Marlies so far this season. I found it pretty interesting that he gave Liljegren a slightly higher grade than Sandin. Also backs up a comment I made earlier that Agostino should absolutely get the call the next time a forward goes down. Also jesus Ben Harpur wyd?