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Title: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 11:02:03 AM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 19, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
Stealing Ottawa's thunder lmao
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: digdug on September 19, 2019, 11:17:27 AM
That makes 50 contracts.

So if Neuvirth gets healthy and impresses Leafs will have
to make a trade before signing him
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 11:18:24 AM
That makes 50 contracts.

So if Neuvirth gets healthy and impresses Leafs will have
to make a trade before signing him

As an 18-19 year old and junior player and has not played 11 NHL games this season, Robertson's contract (as well as Semyon Der Arguchintsev's) is exempt from the 50-SPC limit.

https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#maximum_contracts

Basically, once an under-20 player is prevented from playing NHL/AHL minutes for their team (i.e. CHL or European league) until the trade deadline, the contract does not count.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: digdug on September 19, 2019, 11:52:02 AM
thanks for the info ...

Capfriendly had Leafs at 50/50 for a while
but its back down to 49/50
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 12:15:51 PM
thanks for the info ...

Capfriendly had Leafs at 50/50 for a while
but its back down to 49/50

Yup. We caught them before they had the full data set entered. I’m pretty sure it’s just a data flag that needs to be enabled otherwise the contract counter will include it.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Deebo on September 19, 2019, 12:49:48 PM
Robertson was born on September 11th, 2001.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 19, 2019, 12:59:28 PM
Robertson was born on September 11th, 2001.
As a parent, that would have been a hell of an emotional day to have your kid born 3 months premature, as Robertson was.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
Here are some articles from the Prospects threads in case you don't venture there:
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 02:05:48 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Deebo on September 19, 2019, 02:27:47 PM
Robertson was born on September 11th, 2001.
As a parent, that would have been a hell of an emotional day to have your kid born 3 months premature, as Robertson was.

Wow. 3 months premature?

I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 02:56:47 PM
Robertson was born on September 11th, 2001.
As a parent, that would have been a hell of an emotional day to have your kid born 3 months premature, as Robertson was.

Wow. 3 months premature?

I didn't know that.

The video above has the short version. The Sean Shapiro article (The Athletic) has the long version.

I was going over our draft thread from June, and Deebo said the exact same thing (https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5241.msg366749#msg366749) when Robertson was drafted.

He probably would've signed earlier in the summer but wasn't technically an adult yet.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: lamajama on September 19, 2019, 07:42:14 PM
Is there a particular reason he needed to be signed so quickly?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 07:44:30 PM
Is there a particular reason he needed to be signed so quickly?

‘Cause if you like it, then you shoulda put a ring on it.

Also, performance bonuses, if any, can expire during the slide years while ELC control carries forward so by the time he makes the NHL at 20, it’s easier on the cap (see Kapanen).

I don’t know if Robertson has bonuses other than the standard signing bonuses (which is nice for the player who isn’t really getting paid in the CHL).
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on September 19, 2019, 08:25:35 PM
Robertson was born on September 11th, 2001.
As a parent, that would have been a hell of an emotional day to have your kid born 3 months premature, as Robertson was.

Wow. 3 months premature?

I didn't know that.

Yep.  He was deprived of 3 months of fetal development in utero, and as such, from a pediatric standpoint, he's on the same development footing as kids born in December 2001.  Besides his actual premature date of birth (which was also very late in his draft year), biologically he really ought to be in next year's draft.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 19, 2019, 08:46:47 PM
Also, performance bonuses, if any, can expire during the slide years while ELC control carries forward so by the time he makes the NHL at 20, it’s easier on the cap (see Kapanen).

I don’t know if Robertson has bonuses other than the standard signing bonuses (which is nice for the player who isn’t really getting paid in the CHL).

It'd be pretty surprising if Robertson got any performance bonuses. Sandin didn't get any last year and he was drafted 24 spots ahead. But performance bonuses don't "expire", I think you're mixing that up with how signing bonuses don't slide along with the rest of the contract. That's what (very slightly) lowers the cap hit of a player who signs early like this and doesn't play in the NHL.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 19, 2019, 08:50:49 PM
Yes that’s the mix up. Thanks!
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 20, 2019, 09:42:42 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 21, 2019, 08:12:55 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Deebo on September 21, 2019, 08:31:50 PM

SDA has 4 assists tonight.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 21, 2019, 08:34:26 PM

This line is fire
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on September 21, 2019, 09:50:36 PM
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev has 7 pts in 2 games now (all assists). Robertson has 3 goals and 2 assists. These two were hyped from their Development and Training Camp time.

On a sillier note, the Petes were up 4-0 in the second and ended up losing to the Spitfires 9-6 tonight.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zee on September 22, 2019, 07:46:32 AM
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev has 7 pts in 2 games now (all assists). Robertson has 3 goals and 2 assists. These two were hyped from their Development and Training Camp time.

On a sillier note, the Petes were up 4-0 in the second and ended up losing to the Spitfires 9-6 tonight.


People were ripping SDA last season cause he wasn't that good but apparently the entire Peterborough team was bad so it's hard to shine when you have nobody to play with. Maybe SDA and Robertson can feed off each other and both have good seasons. Will help their respective developments
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 04, 2019, 11:04:54 AM
Petes have played 4 games so far:
SDA: 1/9/10pts
NR: 5/3/8pts

SDA has 6 shots on goal
Robertson has ... 23 (he put up 12 of them last night (https://ontariohockeyleague.com/gamecentre/24089/boxscore) lol)
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on October 04, 2019, 11:37:25 AM
Petes have played 4 games so far:
SDA: 1/9/10pts
NR: 5/3/8pts

SDA has 6 shots on goal
Robertson has ... 23 (he put up 12 of them last night (https://ontariohockeyleague.com/gamecentre/24089/boxscore) lol)

Definitely happy we've got two players able to feed off each other despite playing for a shitty team.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on October 04, 2019, 04:03:28 PM
Petes have played 4 games so far:
SDA: 1/9/10pts
NR: 5/3/8pts

SDA has 6 shots on goal
Robertson has ... 23 (he put up 12 of them last night (https://ontariohockeyleague.com/gamecentre/24089/boxscore) lol)

Definitely happy we've got two players able to feed off each other despite playing for a shitty team.
NICE!!! 8)
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 04, 2019, 08:24:02 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on October 04, 2019, 08:40:12 PM
Man Nick Robertson is on fire. His brother had some good stats in the O also.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zee on October 05, 2019, 09:52:53 AM
SDA is on pace for 190 points
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: L K on October 05, 2019, 10:25:50 AM
SDA is on pace for 190 points

Twice as many points as shots of goal.  He needs to shoot the puck more.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 05, 2019, 10:44:37 AM
5 games
SDA: 2/12/14pts
NR: 7/4/11pts
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: princedpw on October 05, 2019, 11:13:43 AM
The leafs are really going to need more cheap talent coming up through the ranks. If a couple of these guys can turn into good 2nd-3rd liners in 2 years, that would really, really help the cap sheet.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 05, 2019, 11:23:42 AM
I think Nick Robertson gets an accelerated Trevor Moore-like track, especially with Hyman expiring in one more season after this and Robertson being able to fill a very skilled grinder role. (Probably losing Moore to expansion)

SDA is more like Adam Brooks/Jeremy Bracco. His offence needs to be through the roof to get earlier consideration, or an underrated defensive game needs to become more apparent. If he develops bulk and more foot speed, we could see him in 3-4 years. They’re both still so young.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on October 05, 2019, 11:51:24 AM
Methinks Hyman will not be a Leaf next season, his 2.5 M is replaceable with a cheaper alternative, although Babs loves him.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2019, 12:07:50 PM
Methinks Hyman will not be a Leaf next season, his 2.5 M is replaceable with a cheaper alternative, although Babs loves him.
Not to split hairs but he makes 2.25 per but I think the same way. He's replaceable and they can save 1.5 on the cap.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on October 05, 2019, 12:20:13 PM
Methinks Hyman will not be a Leaf next season, his 2.5 M is replaceable with a cheaper alternative, although Babs loves him.
Not to split hairs but he makes 2.25 per but I think the same way. He's replaceable and they can save 1.5 on the cap.
Whats 250K between friends?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 05, 2019, 12:51:48 PM
Let's wait to see how the rest of the month goes before saying how replaceable Hyman is. Shouldn't make any claims after 2 games but the jury still seems out on that one.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2019, 12:57:08 PM
Let's wait to see how the rest of the month goes before saying how replaceable Hyman is. Shouldn't make any claims after 2 games but the jury still seems out on that one.
Not talking this year. He's not going anywhere yet. Next year will be different tho. Jury is def still out.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 06, 2019, 04:05:06 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 07, 2019, 05:54:17 AM

Did you see how that game ended? It's like the Wild West! The Petes could use a little team defence and a goalie.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Arn on October 07, 2019, 05:57:50 AM
Added interest on the Petes for those of us from the UK as they've got only the third ever UK based drafted player (Liam Kirk) so nice to have interest on a few levels and another team to keep an eye on
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on October 07, 2019, 12:11:19 PM
Excellent book excerpt in the Athletic this AM about Nick Robertson's birth and first two months in neo natal intensive care. Wow, what a story, so great to see this young man and the way he plays.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 09:24:15 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 10, 2019, 01:10:59 PM

Thinking of renaming this thread to Peterbro Bros
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zee on October 10, 2019, 02:12:04 PM
SDA is in a slump, he had 14 points in 5 games.  :'(
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: L K on October 10, 2019, 05:01:24 PM
SDA is in a slump, he had 14 points in 5 games.  :'(

I'm still more concerned about his 2 goals and only 11 shots in 7 games than his overall point totals.  It really doesn't strike me as the kind of OHL production that will project to the NHL.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 11, 2019, 08:07:50 PM

Peterbro Bros!
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 11, 2019, 10:07:16 PM
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev added two more assists and Robertson added an empty netter. He leads the OHL in goals with 11.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 12, 2019, 10:58:29 PM

Guess what?










Chicken butt

This one got credited to Zach Gallant for the tip in front after.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 17, 2019, 10:06:14 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: princedpw on October 17, 2019, 10:47:54 PM
10 games, 12 goals, 19 points

What kind of gpg or ppg totals are predictive of nhl success in the year after the draft?  Do lots of first-rounders put up these kinds of numbers?

Of course, it is early.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zee on October 18, 2019, 09:04:37 AM
10 games, 12 goals, 19 points

What kind of gpg or ppg totals are predictive of nhl success in the year after the draft?  Do lots of first-rounders put up these kinds of numbers?

Of course, it is early.

There's a lot of junior hockey players that put up huge numbers in junior but it doesn't always translate to NHL success.  Not sure what the correlation is, but I suppose if you're able to eclipse 100 points in a junior season you're probably on track to be an NHL player, just don't know what kind of NHL player.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on October 18, 2019, 09:14:19 AM
10 games, 12 goals, 19 points

What kind of gpg or ppg totals are predictive of nhl success in the year after the draft?  Do lots of first-rounders put up these kinds of numbers?

Of course, it is early.

There's a lot of junior hockey players that put up huge numbers in junior but it doesn't always translate to NHL success.  Not sure what the correlation is, but I suppose if you're able to eclipse 100 points in a junior season you're probably on track to be an NHL player, just don't know what kind of NHL player.

Probably doesn't hurt that he's super young from the D+1 class. I mean he was just days away from being draft eligible in 2020. 

Just looking at other players he's the youngest on the goal leader board apart from Quinton Byfield who's looking to be the #1 pick in 2020. Arthur Kaliyev is also killing it from last year's draft but he had an insane point total last year already. Nick's brother Jason also had great point totals last year and is having a good start in the A. Hopefully there's some pedigree there. It's encouraging for sure, and it sounds to me like Nick isn't just a goal scorer but is a heart and soul type player. I'm hoping that all that put together translates to him being an NHLer.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zee on October 18, 2019, 09:32:01 AM
10 games, 12 goals, 19 points

What kind of gpg or ppg totals are predictive of nhl success in the year after the draft?  Do lots of first-rounders put up these kinds of numbers?

Of course, it is early.

There's a lot of junior hockey players that put up huge numbers in junior but it doesn't always translate to NHL success.  Not sure what the correlation is, but I suppose if you're able to eclipse 100 points in a junior season you're probably on track to be an NHL player, just don't know what kind of NHL player.

Probably doesn't hurt that he's super young from the D+1 class. I mean he was just days away from being draft eligible in 2020. 

Just looking at other players he's the youngest on the goal leader board apart from Quinton Byfield who's looking to be the #1 pick in 2020. Arthur Kaliyev is also killing it from last year's draft but he had an insane point total last year already. Nick's brother Jason also had great point totals last year and is having a good start in the A. Hopefully there's some pedigree there. It's encouraging for sure, and it sounds to me like Nick isn't just a goal scorer but is a heart and soul type player. I'm hoping that all that put together translates to him being an NHLer.

For sure it's encouraging.  If he was plodding along as a 4th liner with 2 points we wouldn't even be talking about him.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 18, 2019, 09:42:52 AM
He's a smaller Trevor Moore*, but with better skating at a younger age and a wicked pair of shots in the toolbox (snap n' slap). The motor will translate, the nose for the net will translate (he just has to build some bulk over the next couple of years), the play away from the puck needs a bit of refinement still.

We'll know more at a higher level. This is looking ahead quite a bit, but I expect both Robertson and Der Arguchintsev to get ATOs with the Growlers at the end of their junior season (2nd time for SDA).

* Trevor Moore was an undrafted invite to the Leafs' 2016 dev camp (same time as Matthews'). He did not have the wheels he does today but he had a quickness to his game in attacking seams and bodying through contact unabated.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: princedpw on October 18, 2019, 10:03:32 AM
He's a smaller Trevor Moore*, but with better skating at a younger age and a wicked pair of shots in the toolbox (snap n' slap). The motor will translate, the nose for the net will translate (he just has to build some bulk over the next couple of years), the play away from the puck needs a bit of refinement still.

We'll know more at a higher level. This is looking ahead quite a bit, but I expect both Robertson and Der Arguchintsev to get ATOs with the Growlers at the end of their junior season (2nd time for SDA).

* Trevor Moore was an undrafted invite to the Leafs' 2016 dev camp (same time as Matthews'). He did not have the wheels he does today but he had a quickness to his game in attacking seams and bodying through contact unabated.

So, realistically, what we are hoping for is a 3rd liner if everything pans out?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: L K on October 18, 2019, 10:12:10 AM
He's a smaller Trevor Moore*, but with better skating at a younger age and a wicked pair of shots in the toolbox (snap n' slap). The motor will translate, the nose for the net will translate (he just has to build some bulk over the next couple of years), the play away from the puck needs a bit of refinement still.

We'll know more at a higher level. This is looking ahead quite a bit, but I expect both Robertson and Der Arguchintsev to get ATOs with the Growlers at the end of their junior season (2nd time for SDA).

* Trevor Moore was an undrafted invite to the Leafs' 2016 dev camp (same time as Matthews'). He did not have the wheels he does today but he had a quickness to his game in attacking seams and bodying through contact unabated.

So, realistically, what we are hoping for is a 3rd liner if everything pans out?

Robertson has better offensive skills so he could play up in the lineup if those pan out in the NHL.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 18, 2019, 10:19:29 AM
Middle-six offensive winger that could be plugged into any line as both the digger and finisher.

He's a different flavour of the type of player Dubas has clearly favoured on the wings since he's had personnel control: plug and play players because they are fast/agile, smart as a base, and some standout strength to build off of.

Because of his skating, playstyle, and pitbull mentality regarding puck retrieval, he's an NHLer at minimum. He trains with Gary Roberts if you're wondering whether this tiny person can eventually put on the muscle to play this way. His shooting ability can push him top 6 depending on team's depth on LW at the time.

If you're looking at his draft year numbers and wondering why it's a bit underwhelming: Peterborough was garbage as a team and Robertson started the year injured (wrist) and mostly played the season in spite of it (for the draft).
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 24, 2019, 09:32:56 PM

1G 1A on the night so far
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on October 24, 2019, 10:53:59 PM
Middle-six offensive winger that could be plugged into any line as both the digger and finisher.

He's a different flavour of the type of player Dubas has clearly favoured on the wings since he's had personnel control: plug and play players because they are fast/agile, smart as a base, and some standout strength to build off of.

Because of his skating, playstyle, and pitbull mentality regarding puck retrieval, he's an NHLer at minimum. He trains with Gary Roberts if you're wondering whether this tiny person can eventually put on the muscle to play this way. His shooting ability can push him top 6 depending on team's depth on LW at the time.

If you're looking at his draft year numbers and wondering why it's a bit underwhelming: Peterborough was garbage as a team and Robertson started the year injured (wrist) and mostly played the season in spite of it (for the draft).
I think the weight and strength thing isnt an issue. He's 17, I think he's got a thick frame. He could be stout but stocky like Brad Marchand.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 26, 2019, 09:19:11 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 31, 2019, 10:52:49 AM
Here's where the Peterbro Bros stand currently, counting stats-wise:
Robertson: 14 GP | 16G 9A 25Pts | 5PPG 3PPA 1SHG 0SHA | 63 Shots
Der-Arguchintsev: 12 GP | 2G 20A 22Pts | 0PPG 6PPA 0SHG 1SHA | 19 Shots
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2019, 11:06:44 AM
Here's where the Peterbro Bros stand currently, counting stats-wise:
Robertson: 14 GP | 16G 9A 25Pts | 5PPG 3PPA 1SHG 0SHA | 63 Shots
Der-Arguchintsev: 12 GP | 2G 20A 22Pts | 0PPG 6PPA 0SHG 1SHA | 19 Shots

That puts Roberston in a tie for the OHL lead in goals with Arthur Kaliyev, although Robertson's done it in 2 less games.

SDA is in a tie for 2nd in the league in assists. He's 2 assists shy from the league leader but he's played 4 less games than him.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 31, 2019, 11:32:41 AM
Just wondering why this isn't on the Marlies/Prospects board.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on October 31, 2019, 11:39:27 AM
That puts Roberston in a tie for the OHL lead in goals with Arthur Kaliyev, although Robertson's done it in 2 less games.

Kaliyev is shooting 18% at the moment with ridiculous volume (88 shots on goal in 16 games). Robertson is shooting 25%.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 04, 2019, 10:49:24 AM
*yawn
Robertson: 16 GP | 19G 9A 28Pts | 6PPG 3PPA 1SHG 0SHA | 73 Shots
Der-Arguchintsev: 14 GP | 3G 22A 25Pts | 1PPG 6PPA 0SHG 1SHA | 20 Shots

SDA took one shot on goal this weekend (two games) and it was a powerplay goal.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zee on November 04, 2019, 10:51:28 AM
*yawn
Robertson: 16 GP | 19G 9A 28Pts | 6PPG 3PPA 1SHG 0SHA | 73 Shots
Der-Arguchintsev: 14 GP | 3G 22A 25Pts | 1PPG 6PPA 0SHG 1SHA | 20 Shots

SDA took one shot on goal this weekend (two games) and it was a powerplay goal.

SDA: Special Delivery Arguchintsev !
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 04, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
I’m sure he had a few more shot attempts but because he knew they weren’t going in, he deliberately shanked them wide or fired them into skates to preserve the shooting percentage.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Frank E on November 04, 2019, 11:25:39 AM
*yawn
Robertson: 16 GP | 19G 9A 28Pts | 6PPG 3PPA 1SHG 0SHA | 73 Shots
Der-Arguchintsev: 14 GP | 3G 22A 25Pts | 1PPG 6PPA 0SHG 1SHA | 20 Shots

SDA took one shot on goal this weekend (two games) and it was a powerplay goal.

He might lead the league in fewest shots per minute of ice-time.

I know it goes without saying, but Der-Arguchintsev really needs to learn how to shoot the puck if he wants to go anywhere further than the O.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 09, 2019, 08:16:11 AM

You’d think with his selectiveness that he’d only shoot for empty net tap ins...
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: sickbeast on November 09, 2019, 05:58:45 PM
This is good news.  When do you guys think this guy will make it up to the big club?  Next season?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on November 09, 2019, 06:00:12 PM
This is good news.  When do you guys think this guy will make it up to the big club?  Next season?
Robertson is 2 to 3 years away, I would think SDA is at least 3 to 4.  Both could be Marlies next year or Growlers.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 09, 2019, 06:22:56 PM
They are a year apart and the CHL dictates they can’t move to AHL or ECHL until 20.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 09, 2019, 07:36:40 PM
This is good news.  When do you guys think this guy will make it up to the big club?  Next season?
Robertson is 2 to 3 years away, I would think SDA is at least 3 to 4.  Both could be Marlies next year or Growlers.
That's probably likely but we just don't know when either will be ready.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on November 10, 2019, 11:05:15 AM
They are a year apart and the CHL dictates they can’t move to AHL or ECHL until 20.
Oh ya I forgot they were 12 and 13
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 11, 2019, 02:40:17 PM
Just to add to our list of ailments, Nick Robertson suffered a broken right index finger (https://www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com/sports-story/9683792-peterborough-petes-lose-nick-robertson-to-broken-finger/) last Tuesday blocking a shot.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 14, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
In the absence of Robertson, SDA has been... doing just fine.
1 G and 5 A in 4 games.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on December 05, 2019, 09:09:23 PM

Oh hello
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on December 22, 2019, 04:39:47 PM

3 pt day for Robertson in a tournament tune up comeback win.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 22, 2019, 04:51:44 PM
Robertson is 5th in goals, 1st in G/GP, 14th in P/PG
SDA is 1st in assists, 2nd in A/PG, 22nd in P/PG.
Not too shabby. Looking forward to seeing Robertson play in a few days.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bill_Berg on December 22, 2019, 05:50:27 PM
I got tickets to a Pete's game in Guelph so I could see him play.  Looking forward to that!
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bill_Berg on December 23, 2019, 06:31:22 AM
I got tickets to a Pete's game in Guelph so I could see him play.  Looking forward to that!

Annnnd he'll be at the WJC. Oh well, still be fun.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on December 28, 2019, 09:11:26 AM

Who is this #19 kid that keeps feeding Robertson #16 with silky sauce?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 28, 2019, 10:46:40 AM
Robertson was great in the Canada game. First time I've gotten to watch him(other than the short Clips the Robertson Fan Club posts). He controls the play a lot of the time that he's on the ice. He reminds me a bit of Marner.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on December 30, 2019, 01:55:50 PM

Can you imagine a PP structure where the playmakers move laterally instead of working out of a single lane?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 30, 2019, 02:40:44 PM

Can you imagine a PP structure where the playmakers move laterally instead of working out of a single lane?

No because it's against the rules.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: dekedastardly on January 01, 2020, 11:10:57 PM
I should see more Petes games.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 09, 2020, 11:07:18 AM
The Petes are acquiring Akil Thomas. If they load them up a Robertson-SDA-Thomas line could be lethal.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 09, 2020, 11:18:39 AM

Edit: Dreger phrases this like he was the one that convinced Thomas to waive his NTC.
Edit 2: Dreger just copied and pasted what the agent texted him.
Edit 3: Dreger is his agent.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 09, 2020, 01:27:13 PM
Edit 4: Dreger is now in Twitter beef with @OHLInsiders
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Hobbes on January 09, 2020, 01:33:28 PM
Edit 4: Dreger is now in Twitter beef with @OHLInsiders

/me makes popcorn
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 09, 2020, 01:49:28 PM
Literally just found an open bag of popcorn someone made on the kitchen table at work. Thanks, Hobbes!
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: bustaheims on January 09, 2020, 04:42:34 PM
Junior hockey trades are nuts. Niagara also traded Philip Tomasino to Oshawa for package of 9 picks and the rights to another prospect.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 10, 2020, 07:26:34 AM
Robertson is back from the WJC and promptly scored two goals to maintain and exceed his goal per game pace. 25 g in 24 gp
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2020, 10:04:06 PM
Robertson is back from the WJC and promptly scored two goals to maintain and exceed his goal per game pace. 25 g in 24 gp
Can he do the junior rocket Richard??
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 11, 2020, 10:09:14 PM
This is an extremely junior goal
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 12, 2020, 07:33:34 PM

Invalid Tweet IDGoal #5 for Der Arguchintsev
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on January 12, 2020, 08:22:07 PM

Invalid Tweet IDGoal #5 for Der Arguchintsev
Akil Thomas is in on a few of these already.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on January 20, 2020, 07:03:06 AM
En route to a 9-2 rout.

Robertson: 28 GP | 31G 16A 47pts
Der-Arguchintsev: 39GP | 7G 49A 56Pts
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on February 01, 2020, 10:42:33 PM

Just a reminder that Robertson is the youngest person in the Leafs org other than Martina. He was five days away from being eligible for the 2020 draft.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2020, 10:47:22 PM
Frank Seravalli reported yesterday that the current NHL-CHL agreement expires this summer and there's a chance the new agreement could allow 19 year olds coming out of the CHL to play in the AHL. Gotta imagine that's something the Leafs probably wouldn't mind.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Deebo on February 01, 2020, 10:48:58 PM

Just a reminder that Robertson is the youngest person in the Leafs org other than Martina. He was five days away from being eligible for the 2020 draft.

That 38G 19A for 57P in 34 games, he had 55P in 54 games last year.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 01, 2020, 11:05:24 PM
That 38G 19A for 57P in 34 games, he had 55P in 54 games last year.

And SDA has absolutely blown by his point totals from last season. He had 46 points in 62 games then, 61 points in 45 games now.

Almost mirror image hah. Kinda hope he gets just 1 point in his next game.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on February 02, 2020, 05:37:21 AM
The primary change was Robertson as a rookie deferred to his teammates (who weren’t that good) and then after Leafs dev camp this year decided to just shoot more because he knew he could beat Junior goaltending from just about anywhere. The goals are getting the attention but his work drive continues to be what will translate to NHL success. I can see him on a line with a speedy pass-first centre like Kerfoot next next season if he can build up more strength.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on February 02, 2020, 11:01:51 AM
The primary change was Robertson as a rookie deferred to his teammates (who weren’t that good) and then after Leafs dev camp this year decided to just shoot more because he knew he could beat Junior goaltending from just about anywhere. The goals are getting the attention but his work drive continues to be what will translate to NHL success. I can see him on a line with a speedy pass-first centre like Kerfoot next next season if he can build up more strength.
That soon? Not sure if I buy that. His brother is taking time developing, although Jason had a better draft year, he didn't have the same D+1 breakout vs draft year.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 02, 2020, 12:13:49 PM
The primary change was Robertson as a rookie deferred to his teammates (who weren’t that good) and then after Leafs dev camp this year decided to just shoot more because he knew he could beat Junior goaltending from just about anywhere. The goals are getting the attention but his work drive continues to be what will translate to NHL success. I can see him on a line with a speedy pass-first centre like Kerfoot next next season if he can build up more strength.
That soon? Not sure if I buy that. His brother is taking time developing, although Jason had a better draft year, he didn't have the same D+1 breakout vs draft year.
Highly unlikely but you never know with these kids. No one has scored at this rate in over 12 years. I didn't look any further then that.  Man he and SDA are so young.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on February 02, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
He can take a year with the Marlies, good for him, good for the Marlies.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 02, 2020, 01:36:34 PM
He can take a year with the Marlies, good for him, good for the Marlies.
He can't play with the Marlies next year. Leafs or OHL. He'll only be 19 come Sept.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: princedpw on February 02, 2020, 02:33:30 PM
Could he go the Auston Matthews route and play in Europe for a year?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 02, 2020, 05:12:34 PM
Could he go the Auston Matthews route and play in Europe for a year?
Yup, he can go there.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on February 06, 2020, 09:33:05 PM
Um did Robertson just increase his scoring pace?

He’s tied for the league lead in goals again with 41, even after playing 10 fewer games than fellow leader Jack Quinn. He has scored in 13 straight games.

Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on February 16, 2020, 07:09:57 AM

Nick took a break from scoring the other day to rest his goal streak 14 games). Kicked up a new one last night probably; point streak continues at 17 games. The tweet should read 44 in 39 games. 6 goals in his next 11 games will give him 50/50 but he’s on track to exceed that.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on February 17, 2020, 03:30:36 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on February 17, 2020, 07:04:48 PM
Its so interesting to me that he's doing what he's doing at his age when he was days away from being born after the cut off and would be putting numbers like this up in his draft year. I'm really hoping he comes through as a player for us.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on February 17, 2020, 07:16:38 PM
I’m a bit worried about the gaudy goal numbers (at the same time celebrating it) because a lot of these are Juniory goals. Just an overpowering shot at this level that he can just launch it from weakly contested ice. It’s got deception and juice, no doubt, but it’s not Auston Matthews. He has lots of projectable skills though, as he is speedy and greasy and extremely willing.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 17, 2020, 10:48:43 PM
I’m a bit worried about the gaudy goal numbers (at the same time celebrating it) because a lot of these are Juniory goals. Just an overpowering shot at this level that he can just launch it from weakly contested ice. It’s got deception and juice, no doubt, but it’s not Auston Matthews. He has lots of projectable skills though, as he is speedy and greasy and extremely willing.
I get the hesitation to go overboard with praise but let it be what it is. We have no idea if this can translate to the NHL level. We don't even know if he'll even make the big show for sure, chances are yes. However no one has scored at a better pace then Nick in 15+ years. The biggest things for me are... He's tied for 17th in games played on his team, yet leading in goals and points. It took him just 32 games to do what he did in 54 last year points wise and just 23 to match his goal output. He's currently at 46 goals in 40 games which actually leads all of the CHL. He's only been goalless in 8 games and pointless in 3. He's leading the OHL in goals, 1 up on Jack Quinn who's played 12 more games. He's only 9th in PPG so he gets a lot at even strength.
He so young. Just think he was 17 at the time of the draft when the Leafs grabbed him. He won't be 19 until Sept. Lots of strength to gain yet. Hope for the best for him.
Sidenote...SDA sits 3rd in assists in the OHL.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 01, 2020, 03:54:08 PM
48, 49 in game 43 after losing his point streak in game 42.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Deebo on March 01, 2020, 04:45:23 PM
48, 49 in game 43 after losing his point streak in game 42.

SH goal for #50
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 01, 2020, 05:08:04 PM
Yup. Nothing quite like a milestone hat trick.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Hobbes on March 01, 2020, 05:59:57 PM
Shorthanded, too.

I hope even half of his skill translates to the NHL level.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 02, 2020, 11:35:34 AM

An empty-netter away from the cycle.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2020, 11:45:06 AM
Just to compare him to another undersized but prolific goal scorer who also inexplicably dropped to the 2nd round of his draft year: Alex DeBrincat scored 65 goals in 63 games in his draft+1 season. So Robertson is outpacing him in goals by a decent bit. DeBrincat has a pretty big advantage in assists though.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2020, 11:47:06 AM
If he can maintain his current pace he will have the best G/GP since Pat Peake in 92/93. That is pretty incredible. He also sits 6th in league in P/GP.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 02, 2020, 11:51:42 AM
Just to compare him to another undersized but prolific goal scorer who also inexplicably dropped to the 2nd round of his draft year: Alex DeBrincat scored 65 goals in 63 games in his draft+1 season. So Robertson is outpacing him in goals by a decent bit. DeBrincat has a pretty big advantage in assists though.
Never understood why he dropped to the 2nd round. Watched him play and although he was small, he was awesome. He's not having a very good year this year though, goal wise.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 08, 2020, 05:28:27 PM
The Peterbros having an LMAO day. Robertson is up to 55 goals in 46 games with two shorties today on top of 3 assists. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev put up 2 goals as well en route to a 12-1 victory.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 31, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
herman you really dropped the ball on announcing Robertson's results in this seasons Eastern Conference OHL coaches poll:

1st in Best Shot
1st in Most Dangerous in Goal Area
2nd in Hardest Worker
2nd in Best Stickhandler
2nd in Best Shootout Shooter
3rd in Hardest Shot

I'll let it slide because of Covid, I guess.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2020, 12:27:58 PM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 31, 2020, 12:32:09 PM
The kid looks like he has a great shot at making it next season. Leafs will need young, cheap talent. 
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 31, 2020, 12:39:03 PM
The kid looks like he has a great shot at making it next season. Leafs will need young, cheap talent. 

Right now we still likely have Hyman, Johnsson, Mikheyev, and Engvall on the left side. Petan and Agostino are both signed as well for depth, and Clifford may or may not be returning. If cap concerns (and of course who knows what's happening there) force a Johnsson trade then I could see Robertson getting a very close look in the top 6. Otherwise it would seem a little unlikely, especially considering how young he is even for a D+2 player.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 31, 2020, 01:00:18 PM
herman you really dropped the ball on announcing Robertson's results in this seasons Eastern Conference OHL coaches poll:

1st in Best Shot
1st in Most Dangerous in Goal Area
2nd in Hardest Worker
2nd in Best Stickhandler
2nd in Best Shootout Shooter
3rd in Hardest Shot

I'll let it slide because of Covid, I guess.

I'm fortunate enough to be able to WFH, and for some reason I'm doing far more work at home than I do in the office.

Semyon Der-Arguchintsev picked up (a distant) #2 for Best Playmaker
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on March 31, 2020, 01:46:27 PM

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Robertson’s stint at the Leafs’ development camp presented him with areas to improve on – his defensive play, his shot, and his hydration were a few – and that’s where the expectation stemmed from. He put in extra workouts at night before bed. He studied video footage more closely. He stayed on the ice longer than usual, working on his shot. He put way more hours into hockey than he had before, and if you ask him, that’s what separated him this season.

“Those little things, putting in more recovery during the weekend, finding ways to recover fast in between periods, improving my nutrition, really made a difference,” he said.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Pick on April 01, 2020, 11:20:13 AM
I'll go on record saying Robertson will be Leaf next season
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on April 13, 2020, 10:12:43 AM
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 19, 2020, 09:40:37 PM
https://theathletic.com/1814091/2020/05/19/im-ready-right-now-nick-robertson-says-hes-ready-to-join-the-maple-leafs/

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“Practice is a business for me. Working out is a business for me. Sleeping is a business for me. Everything I do is for a reason,” said Robertson.

[...]

“Some guys come into this league and have a good time,” said Robertson. “But I’m here as a temporary stop. This is just the car to get me to the NHL. Let’s put it that way.”

[...]

When he’s not practising his shot, Robertson now spends his days trying to increase his mobility and strength. He’s asked if the workout plan he’s following was provided to him by the Leafs or the Petes.

“It’s all the Maple Leafs,” said Robertson.

He’s trying to figure out where he fits in the Leafs possession-heavy system. He asked his agency to send him video detailing how the Leafs’ system functions.

He appreciates how much stock the Leafs place on video analysis as well. He recalls being asked strange questions by NHL teams at the 2019 NHL draft combine, including one around whether he would share water with a person if it meant they would both die together, or whether he would keep the water for himself, live, and watch the other person die.

But the Leafs, as Robertson recalled, were the only team that based their entire combine interview with him on his reaction to video clips of Marlies and Leafs games. He was asked what he thought should happen next in different plays.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 19, 2020, 10:10:29 PM
Someone on twitter today brought up that Robertson should technically be eligible to be called up by the Leafs if the season continues. If the season continues, and if the Leafs decide to drag Robertson into whatever crazy plans the league has to resume, it could be a good experience for him.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Nik on May 20, 2020, 12:22:54 AM

Robertson being ready and enabling the team to move one or maybe two of Johnsson, Kapanen or Kerfoot would be a huge boon.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 20, 2020, 09:21:15 AM
https://theathletic.com/1814091/2020/05/19/im-ready-right-now-nick-robertson-says-hes-ready-to-join-the-maple-leafs/

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“Practice is a business for me. Working out is a business for me. Sleeping is a business for me. Everything I do is for a reason,” said Robertson.

[...]

“Some guys come into this league and have a good time,” said Robertson. “But I’m here as a temporary stop. This is just the car to get me to the NHL. Let’s put it that way.”

[...]

When he’s not practising his shot, Robertson now spends his days trying to increase his mobility and strength. He’s asked if the workout plan he’s following was provided to him by the Leafs or the Petes.

“It’s all the Maple Leafs,” said Robertson.

He’s trying to figure out where he fits in the Leafs possession-heavy system. He asked his agency to send him video detailing how the Leafs’ system functions.

He appreciates how much stock the Leafs place on video analysis as well. He recalls being asked strange questions by NHL teams at the 2019 NHL draft combine, including one around whether he would share water with a person if it meant they would both die together, or whether he would keep the water for himself, live, and watch the other person die.

But the Leafs, as Robertson recalled, were the only team that based their entire combine interview with him on his reaction to video clips of Marlies and Leafs games. He was asked what he thought should happen next in different plays.

I love his intensity. All business.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 21, 2020, 08:50:05 AM
Some notes on good buddy, Semyon Der-Arguchintsev

https://jhanhky.substack.com/p/semyon-der-arguchintsev-the-little
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On the ice SDA is already no longer a child. He plays with the cunning of a desert fox, creating multiple options and massaging passes where defenders least suspect. He is sneaky on defense, floating high at times but tracking hard to lift a stick and steal the puck when it mattered. His hand skills are noteworthy but his greatest asset is foresight. No one else on the ice sees the play developing as quickly. He figures things out in the parallel universe in which he inhabits, then works backward to execute the right play in real life.

[...]

SDA can see the future, but will he ever be fast, strong or focused enough to mold it in his favor? The answer so far might disappoint him.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 27, 2020, 01:01:06 PM

Sorry not sorry
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Frank E on May 27, 2020, 01:03:21 PM
Anyone hear anything on Robertson's availability for these playoffs?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 01:18:34 PM
Especially with Johnsson done for the (extended) year. Now if he gets COVID from this, considering his medical history, I will be suuuuuper pissed.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on May 27, 2020, 01:35:10 PM
Especially with Johnsson done for the (extended) year. Now if he gets COVID from this, considering his medical history, I will be suuuuuper pissed.

I still can't believe how bad his injury was. It seemed innocuous to me.

Would Nick have been eligible for call up under normal circumstances if his OHL season came to an end before the playoffs? 

Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
Especially with Johnsson done for the (extended) year. Now if he gets COVID from this, considering his medical history, I will be suuuuuper pissed.

I still can't believe how bad his injury was. It seemed innocuous to me.

Would Nick have been eligible for call up under normal circumstances if his OHL season came to an end before the playoffs?

Yes. He was on the reserve list before the trade deadline. Provided we did not expend all our non-emergency call-ups (4) on AHL resources prior.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: bustaheims on May 27, 2020, 03:22:09 PM
Yes. He was on the reserve list before the trade deadline. Provided we did not expend all our non-emergency call-ups (4) on AHL resources prior.

Unless Robertson was on a PTO w/ the Marlies, I don't think he'd count against the non-emergency call-ups. Once a player's season is over with their non-NHL team, they're no longer bound by the 4 call-up limit.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 03:41:27 PM
Yes. He was on the reserve list before the trade deadline. Provided we did not expend all our non-emergency call-ups (4) on AHL resources prior.

Unless Robertson was on a PTO w/ the Marlies, I don't think he'd count against the non-emergency call-ups. Once a player's season is over with their non-NHL team, they're no longer bound by the 4 call-up limit.

O rly... He'd be PTO'd on the Leafs then and not a 'call-up' right?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: bustaheims on May 27, 2020, 04:32:35 PM
Yes. He was on the reserve list before the trade deadline. Provided we did not expend all our non-emergency call-ups (4) on AHL resources prior.

Unless Robertson was on a PTO w/ the Marlies, I don't think he'd count against the non-emergency call-ups. Once a player's season is over with their non-NHL team, they're no longer bound by the 4 call-up limit.

O rly... He'd be PTO'd on the Leafs then and not a 'call-up' right?

No, he'd be a call-up, just not an AHL call-up. Can't play for the NHL team on a PTO.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 04:45:43 PM
Yes. He was on the reserve list before the trade deadline. Provided we did not expend all our non-emergency call-ups (4) on AHL resources prior.

Unless Robertson was on a PTO w/ the Marlies, I don't think he'd count against the non-emergency call-ups. Once a player's season is over with their non-NHL team, they're no longer bound by the 4 call-up limit.

O rly... He'd be PTO'd on the Leafs then and not a 'call-up' right?

No, he'd be a call-up, just not an AHL call-up. Can't play for the NHL team on a PTO.

Oh right. He has an ELC. What else can I continue to say that is wrong.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on May 27, 2020, 07:50:09 PM

Duh but also boo hiss
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on May 30, 2020, 02:20:07 PM

Duh but also boo hiss

I'm really amped to see what he brings. Really hoping he can replace Johnsson.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 04, 2020, 07:39:17 PM

This kind of surprises me.  I guess I had just incorrectly assumed that Robertson had a bit of a ratty edge in him because of how tenacious he is on the ice.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bender on June 05, 2020, 08:14:20 AM

This kind of surprises me.  I guess I had just incorrectly assumed that Robertson had a bit of a ratty edge in him because of how tenacious he is on the ice.
Yeah for sure. I read an article in the Athletic where he says to him this is business, so maybe he doesn't take things personally and get upset etc and just plays his game. Also maybe he deserved an award for his season but couldn't give him something more substantial
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: RedLeaf on June 05, 2020, 09:35:27 AM

Duh but also boo hiss

I'm really amped to see what he brings. Really hoping he can replace Johnsson.

If he can replace Johnsson and in a big way, this could be one hell of an exciting run if they ever get clearance to play that is .
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Nik on November 26, 2020, 11:38:36 AM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-restricted-free-agents-best-rfa-contract-extension-rumours-2020/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-restricted-free-agents-best-rfa-contract-extension-rumours-2020/)

Just an article about Robertson missing Thanksgiving this year that contained this tidbit which, if I knew before I'd forgotten:

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It?s particularly difficult today. Nick is the family?s miracle baby after being born three months premature and getting saved by a do-or-die shot that allowed oxygen to reach his brain and lungs. He arrived on Sept. 11, 2001 but didn?t leave hospital until more than two months later -- coming home for the first time on U.S. Thanksgiving.

Yikes, I'm old.

Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 26, 2020, 11:43:46 AM

[url]https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-restricted-free-agents-best-rfa-contract-extension-rumours-2020/

Just an article about Robertson missing Thanksgiving this year that contained this tidbit which, if I knew before I'd forgotten:

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It?s particularly difficult today. Nick is the family?s miracle baby after being born three months premature and getting saved by a do-or-die shot that allowed oxygen to reach his brain and lungs. He arrived on Sept. 11, 2001 but didn?t leave hospital until more than two months later -- coming home for the first time on U.S. Thanksgiving.

Yikes, I'm old.
[/quote]

Born on 9/11 of all days too
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 26, 2020, 12:41:07 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/robertson-chasing-leafs-job-means-missing-familys-important-day/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/robertson-chasing-leafs-job-means-missing-familys-important-day/)

Just an article about Robertson missing Thanksgiving this year that contained this tidbit which, if I knew before I'd forgotten:

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It's particularly difficult today. Nick is the family's miracle baby after being born three months premature and getting saved by a do-or-die shot that allowed oxygen to reach his brain and lungs. He arrived on Sept. 11, 2001 but didn't leave hospital until more than two months later -- coming home for the first time on U.S. Thanksgiving.

I was in high school when Nick Robertson was born.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 26, 2020, 12:54:30 PM
I've been meaning to ask this question for a little bit now so I guess this is a good time: does Robertson make the team this season?

If you had asked me a couple months ago I would have said he's almost a lock. Now, I'm not as sure.  While we undoubtedly lost some forward depth this offseason in Kapanen and Johnsson, we've also brought in bodies in Thornton, Vesey, and Simmonds. If you figure those 3 are locks plus all the regular names, there's only 1 roster spot open for one of: Robertson, Engvall, and Barabanov. Not to mention further depth names like Boyd, Anderson, Petan, Agostino, Malgin. And I think that final spot will mostly go down to either Engvall or Barabanov.

I feel like Barabanov will get every single chance to make the team considering he's been hanging out in Toronto all offseason instead of playing in the KHL. That just simply wouldn't be happening if he was pegged to start in the AHL. And if he blows that golden opportunity I think Engvall will be next in line considering he already looked like a NHLer last season.

The other factor making me re-think his status is the fact that he's barely played hockey in almost a calendar year. That's true for most of the team of course but I really don't think that's an ideal way for a 19-year old to start his NHL career.

It sucks because that article makes it clear he's working his butt off to be a NHL player this season and he really has nothing left to prove in the OHL, but I'm just not sure it's in the cards this season.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Nik on November 26, 2020, 12:58:17 PM

Honestly, I think it's up to him and his development. If he looks so good that keeping him off the team would be making the team worse, I don't think the Leafs are good enough where they can make that decision. I don't think Jimmy Vesey is enough of a player to keep him down in that situation.

If it's more of a toss-up? I could see them being cautious with him. Especially if he doesn't add a ton to the team outside of scoring punch.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: herman on November 26, 2020, 01:32:05 PM
I feel like Barabanov will get every single chance to make the team considering he's been hanging out in Toronto all offseason instead of playing in the KHL. That just simply wouldn't be happening if he was pegged to start in the AHL.

Per the article, Nicky Bobby did this exact thing too.

I think he also gets every chance to make the team (9-game tryout) as the cap allows (c'mon taxi squad rules) but falls short as we need our bottom-six to be puck holding shutter downers. Unless he comes in with more fire hair than Vesey and supplants a top-6 winger (Mikheyev/Kerfoot), I'm with Nik: I don't see him making the full squad due to the lack of NHL-level versatility.

If the OHL season is cancelled for some reason, do they dispense with the rule and let him (and all other qualified players) be loaned to the AHL?
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 26, 2020, 01:35:30 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/robertson-chasing-leafs-job-means-missing-familys-important-day/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/robertson-chasing-leafs-job-means-missing-familys-important-day/)

Just an article about Robertson missing Thanksgiving this year that contained this tidbit which, if I knew before I'd forgotten:

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It's particularly difficult today. Nick is the family's miracle baby after being born three months premature and getting saved by a do-or-die shot that allowed oxygen to reach his brain and lungs. He arrived on Sept. 11, 2001 but didn't leave hospital until more than two months later -- coming home for the first time on U.S. Thanksgiving.

I was in high school when Nick Robertson was born.

I had a 5 year old and a 5 month old
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Deebo on November 26, 2020, 01:45:06 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/robertson-chasing-leafs-job-means-missing-familys-important-day/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/robertson-chasing-leafs-job-means-missing-familys-important-day/)

Just an article about Robertson missing Thanksgiving this year that contained this tidbit which, if I knew before I'd forgotten:

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It's particularly difficult today. Nick is the family's miracle baby after being born three months premature and getting saved by a do-or-die shot that allowed oxygen to reach his brain and lungs. He arrived on Sept. 11, 2001 but didn't leave hospital until more than two months later -- coming home for the first time on U.S. Thanksgiving.

I was in high school when Nick Robertson was born.

It was my first day of undergrad.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on November 26, 2020, 01:57:59 PM
I was in St.Thomas getting ready to work in the USVI, I was 46, got trapped on the island because of the shutdown of US Airspace, had to take a ferry to Tortola and fly back to St.Maarten from there.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: bustaheims on November 26, 2020, 02:01:31 PM
It was my first day of undergrad.

I had just started 2nd year.
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Frank E on November 26, 2020, 03:14:55 PM
I think he's on the outside looking in at this point.

And if some way he can play in the AHL, that would be ideal.

I'm older than most of you idiots, I was just getting ready to leave for work when a friend called and told me to turn on the TV. 
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Highlander on November 26, 2020, 03:23:50 PM
I think he's on the outside looking in at this point.

And if some way he can play in the AHL, that would be ideal.

I'm older than most of you idiots, I was just getting ready to leave for work when a friend called and told me to turn on the TV.
The strange thing about that morning is that I never turn on the TV in my hotel room before work,as I don't want to be distracted, but for some reason I turned on CNN that morning, I was shaving when I heard the report about a small plane hitting the first tower.  I came out to have look at the tube and I said that was no small plane, but a big passenger jet,  I had a terrible feeling and called my wife.  She turned on her TV just before the 2nd plane went in.  Of course everyone shouted "Oh my God". 
Title: Re: Nick Robertson signed to 3 yr ELC
Post by: Bullfrog on November 26, 2020, 06:19:55 PM
If the OHL season is cancelled for some reason, do they dispense with the rule and let him (and all other qualified players) be loaned to the AHL?

I don't even think that's a question; they wouldn't be able to enforce that agreement.