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Title: Rookie Tournament
Post by: sooner2220 on August 09, 2019, 03:10:52 PM
When will the Leafs announce their roster for the Rookie Tournament? Will any of the players invited to the Development Camp participate in the tournament? With 48 contracts and Marner still to sign, there isn't an opportunity to sign any players who might impress Dubas during the tournament.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 09, 2019, 03:22:38 PM
https://www.nhl.com/redwings/news/2019-nhl-prospect-tournament-returns-to-traverse-city/c-301886352

Leafs are joining 7 other teams for this prospect tournament in Michigan next month.
Rosters likely announced end of August, or after Labour Day.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:09:38 PM

PlayerPositionLeagueAcquisition
Abramov, MikhailFVictoriaville (QMJHL)115th overall (2019)
Alistrov, VladimirFEdmonton (WHL)Free Agent Invite
Bradley, MattFNewfoundland (ECHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Bradley, TreyFToronto (AHL) / Colorado College (NCAA)Signed to AHL Contract
Brazeau, JustinFNorth Bay (OHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Carroll, JoeFSault Ste. Marie (OHL)Free Agent Invite
Conrad, ColtFToronto (AHL) / Western Michigan U (NCAA)Signed to AHL Contract
Der-Arguchintsev, SemyonFPeterborough (OHL) / Newfoundland (ECHL)76th overall (2018)
Duszak, JosephDToronto (AHL) / Mercyhurst (NCAA)Signed to NHL Contract
Elynuik, HudsonFToronto (AHL) / Newfoundland (ECHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Estephan, GiorgioFToronto (AHL) / Newfoundland (ECHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Hamblin, JamesFMedicine Hat (WHL)Free Agent Invite
Hollowell, MacDSault Ste. Marie (OHL) / Toronto (AHL)118th overall (2018)
Kivihalme, TeemuDKarpat (Liiga)Signed to NHL Contract
Korshkov, EgorFLokomotiv (KHL) / Toronto (AHL)31st overall (2016)
Kral, FilipDSpokane (WHL)149th overall (2018)
Larochelle, SeanDVictoriaville (QMJHL)Free Agent Invite
Lindgren, JesperDHPK (Liiga) / Toronto (AHL)95th overall (2015)
Moore, RyanFToronto (AHL) / Newfoundland (ECHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Nelson, JoshFLondon (OHL)Free Agent Invite
Pepin, Marc-AntoineDThetford (QCHL) / Sherbrooke (QMJHL) / Shawinigan (QMJHL)Free Agent Invite
Robertson, CarterDOwen Sound (OHL)Free Agent Invite
Robertson, NicholasFPeterborough (OHL)53rd overall (2019)
Rubins, KristiansDToronto (AHL) / Newfoundland (ECHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Sapego, SergeiDPrince Albert (WHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Scott, IanGPrince Albert (WHL)110th overall (2017)
Simoneau, XavierFDrummondville (QMJHL)Free Agent Invite
Staios, NathanDWindsor (OHL)Free Agent Invite
Stotts, RileyFCalgary (WHL)83rd overall (2018)
Woll, JosephGBoston College (NCAA)62nd overall (2016)
Woods, RileyFSpokane (WHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Zhukov, MaksimGBarrie (OHL) / Green Bay (USHL)Signed to AHL Contract
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:19:40 PM
Nathan Staios, son of former player development adviser turned assistant coach for the Leafs and current Hamilton Bulldogs president Steve Staios

Joe Carroll: undrafted... guess how Dubas knows him

Xavier Simoneau, a very small centre from the Q, also went undrafted this year, but most ranking services had him on their board.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2019, 02:23:32 PM
Quote from: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:19:40 PM
Xavier Simoneau, a very small centre from the Q, also went undrafted this year, but most ranking services had him on their board.

The Hockey News (https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/who-are-the-best-players-who-werent-selected-at-the-2019-nhl-draft) listed him as one of the best players not drafted:

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Xavier Simoneau, C, 18 (Drummondville, QMJHL – No. 204 NA)
Simoneau, standing at a mere 5-foot-6, has the qualities you’d look for in a 6-foot-6 beast. He’s physical, annoying to play against and wins battles along the boards. Oh, and he had 57 points in 55 games with the Voltigeurs. The ninth pick in the 2017 QMJHL draft, Simoneau has everything but the high-end speed you’d hope for from a kid his size.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:31:28 PM

I don't know if it will be televised.

From PPP's Tournament preview (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/toronto-maple-leafs-prospects/2019/8/26/20831214/maple-leafs-announce-prospect-roster-for-traverse-city-draft-picks-free-agents-nick-robertson):
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Note: for players invited that were just passed over in their first NHL Entry Draft, they can be signed to an ELC by an NHL team as long as that happens before the junior season begins. You can extend that window a little by offering the player a try-out agreement and playing them on the Marlies or the Growlers for a bit. Any player signed at 18 or just 19 in this situation is likely going back to junior hockey right away, so that ELC is exempt from the 50-SPC limit.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2019, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:31:28 PM
I don't know if it will be televised.

This tournament usually gets more attention than the one the Leafs used to take part in. Teams have generally streamed them on their own sites in the past few years. So I'd imagine there will be a way to watch these games.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:40:13 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2019, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:31:28 PM
I don't know if it will be televised.

This tournament usually gets more attention than the one the Leafs used to take part in. Teams have generally streamed them on their own sites in the past few years. So I'd imagine there will be a way to watch these games.

C'mon otherwise useless TML app
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:43:39 PM
Cool: Jack Han is going to be one of the assistants behind the bench at this tournament with Keefe, Rob Davison, AJ MacLean, Growlers coach John Snowden, and Marlies goalie coach Jon Elkin.

Han was listed in Hockey Ops this past year, previously worked with Pellerin and Robidas in player dev (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/9/7/16270240/toronto-maple-leafs-news-maple-leafs-hire-player-development-department-stephan-robidas-hack-han), and is currently no longer on the management list (https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/team/management). Without much fanfare, Han is now a Marlies assistant coach (http://marlies.ca/staff-directory/).
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2019, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:43:39 PM
Cool: Jack Han is going to be one of the assistants behind the bench at this tournament with Keefe, Rob Davison, AJ MacLean, Growlers coach John Snowden, and Marlies goalie coach Jon Elkin.

Han was listed in Hockey Ops this past year, previously worked with Pellerin and Robidas in player dev (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/9/7/16270240/toronto-maple-leafs-news-maple-leafs-hire-player-development-department-stephan-robidas-hack-han), and is currently no longer on the management list (https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/team/management). Without much fanfare, Han is now a Marlies assistant coach (http://marlies.ca/staff-directory/).

Congrats to him, that was always his goal in hockey (https://www.tsn.ca/han-hopes-to-challenge-conventional-thinking-in-coaching-ranks-1.623971).
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on August 26, 2019, 03:05:02 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on August 26, 2019, 02:57:17 PM
Quote from: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:43:39 PM
Cool: Jack Han is going to be one of the assistants behind the bench at this tournament with Keefe, Rob Davison, AJ MacLean, Growlers coach John Snowden, and Marlies goalie coach Jon Elkin.

Han was listed in Hockey Ops this past year, previously worked with Pellerin and Robidas in player dev (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/9/7/16270240/toronto-maple-leafs-news-maple-leafs-hire-player-development-department-stephan-robidas-hack-han), and is currently no longer on the management list (https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/team/management). Without much fanfare, Han is now a Marlies assistant coach (http://marlies.ca/staff-directory/).

Congrats to him, that was always his goal in hockey (https://www.tsn.ca/han-hopes-to-challenge-conventional-thinking-in-coaching-ranks-1.623971).

From blogger (at Eyes on the Prize (https://www.habseyesontheprize.com)/Habs SBNation) to professional hockey coach in a professional hockey league in under 10 years and just turning 30 is impressive. He was one of Dubas' first hires.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: sooner2220 on August 26, 2019, 05:56:43 PM
The only drafted prospect not playing in Europe or the NCAA eligible to play in the tournament missing from the roster is Zach Bouthillier. Bouthillier has definitely struggled since being drafted and has not shown a lot of improvement. Have the Leafs already given up on this prospect even though they still hold his rights until 2020?
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 03, 2019, 07:18:14 AM
Jack Han got a lot of my Marlies coaching staff change attention, but TIL: Rob Davison is the guy in this YouTube clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAX3CgnSNPo) most of us are very familiar with.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 03, 2019, 04:37:40 PM
Quote from: herman on August 26, 2019, 02:31:28 PM



That Gordie Howe Division looks awfully familiar. Just missing the North Stars!
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Frank E on September 05, 2019, 11:07:33 AM
HUGE game tomorrow...anyone know if it's being broadcasted?
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 05, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: Frank E on September 05, 2019, 11:07:33 AM
HUGE game tomorrow...anyone know if it's being broadcasted?

Nothing from the Leafs side yet, but St. Louis announced they'll be streaming it on their website. You're welcome.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Frank E on September 05, 2019, 01:35:51 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 05, 2019, 11:50:49 AM
Quote from: Frank E on September 05, 2019, 11:07:33 AM
HUGE game tomorrow...anyone know if it's being broadcasted?

Nothing from the Leafs side yet, but St. Louis announced they'll be streaming it on their website. You're welcome.

 :-*
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 05, 2019, 03:02:19 PM

Loponen was recently freed up from his Liiga commitment to play in the OHL this season and is now available for this tournament.

Scouting reports (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/6/22/18713563/toronto-maple-leafs-draft-kalle-loponen-2019-nhl-draft-toronto-maple-leafs-prospects-karpat-liiga) collected at the time of his draft this past June
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 06, 2019, 12:50:27 PM
Game can be streamed on MapleLeafs.com
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 06, 2019, 03:26:03 PM
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 06, 2019, 03:39:12 PM
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Frank E on September 06, 2019, 06:34:00 PM
They told me 6:30pm start...what in the hell is going on here?

It's the same damn time zone. 

Not pleased.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 06, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
This is a very dark camera.

I like how Duszak looks with the puck so far.
Hollowell and Kivihalme as a pair are pretty solid, but then again they are quite a bit older.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Frank E on September 06, 2019, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: herman on September 06, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
This is a very dark camera.

I've got nothing too...
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 06, 2019, 06:57:21 PM
Quote from: Frank E on September 06, 2019, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: herman on September 06, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
This is a very dark camera.

I've got nothing too...

It’s working for me. The arena lighting is weak.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Frank E on September 06, 2019, 07:15:32 PM
Feed not working well at all for me...
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 06, 2019, 08:36:06 PM
I had to step out to pick up the lady, so I missed everything after a bit of the first, but it looks like the Maybe Leafs took over this game.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 06, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Given the coaching staff and the bulk of the line up, the Maybe Leafs played a lot like the Marlies: mobile defense, straight forward neutral zone transition (quick quick quick), and then water bugs scattering and weaving through the OZ blue line looking for east west set ups.

Conrad, Robertson, Kivihalme, Hollowell, and latter half Scott with good showings.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 07, 2019, 07:36:31 PM

In case you’re like me and forgot they played this afternoon.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on September 07, 2019, 08:14:08 PM

 Robertson with another goal today.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 07, 2019, 08:38:52 PM

Brazeau can really shoot. For a big guy, he moves very ‘quietly’ on the ice and is always hovering between the dots drifting into passing lanes (a la Matthews).

Korshkov doesn’t have the traditional playmaker build but really uses his reach to swing pucks into the right places.

Robertson is as advertised. Like Johnsson but... more.

I’ve liked what I’ve seen of Colt Conrad so far and I’m interested to see how he fares on the Marlies.

I wasn’t sure how the defense would fare today with what looks to be the B/Cs other than Duszak, but it didn’t seem to affect them.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Highlander on September 08, 2019, 03:08:33 PM
Nice to see so many intriguing prospects, Kivihalme seems very good, Duzak may get to the bigs at some point, Brazeau and Elynuik are big guys with talent.   Robertson is going to be top 6 in two to three years for sure.

Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:06:30 PM

Leafs site doesn’t seem to have the stream but the Red Wings site does.

Never mind
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
SDA ties the game picking a corner.
Taro Hirose restores the lead.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:31:01 PM
Teemu Kivihalme strips Seider (?) off the rush and takes it end to end for the tie game.

Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:35:05 PM
Robertson on 4-3 PP is a menace. Kivihalme is too good for this tournament.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:38:01 PM
Robertson with another goal (late PP) at the first period buzzer. 4 goals in his three games at this tourney.

After one period of play: Robertson, Conrad, Elyunik, Kivihalme, Hollowell working well

Seider for the Red Wings has been really good as well, but his undisciplined behaviour away from the play has cost them the lead going into the second.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
For such a weak prospect pool with a lot of low picks these past three seasons (zero 1st rd picks at this tourney), most of whom have only played 1 AHL season, the Leafs are more than holding their own.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 07:00:16 PM
Kivihalme extends the lead off a tip off a Red Wing.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
Toronto’s been getting a lot of sticks on passes and forcing turnovers in transition all game and forcing the play into the OZ. SDA is playing some PK and his quick hands are holding him in good stead.

Red wings trying to get under the Leafs’ skins but they’re just laughing and working. Red Wing commentators doing their best to keep their spirits up. They’re short handed on the backend after losing one of their top D to a presumed concussion (he tried to stand up Estephan at his own blue line but got blown up).
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 07:22:53 PM
The Red Wings play-by-play guy is getting wrecked by Semon Der-Arguchinsik.

The Wings battle back to close the period tying the game.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 07:51:18 PM
Filip Kral nearly broke the tie with his own end to end rush but found crossbar.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 08:09:22 PM
Leafs down one with 5 min to go. Goaltender Romeo is putting on a good show to counter what the Leafs are throwing at the net.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Highlander on September 09, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
thanks Herman for all the commentary. Looks like Kivihalme is the real deal???
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 09, 2019, 08:35:58 PM
Quote from: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:54:30 PM
For such a weak prospect pool with a lot of low picks these past three seasons (zero 1st rd picks at this tourney), most of whom have only played 1 AHL season, the Leafs are more than holding their own.

Usually the "worse" teams in these tournaments (or the ones with the least flashy prospects) are also the oldest which makes a pretty big difference. Like you said a guy like Kivihalme really has no business playing here. I mean he's 24 years old! Same with Korshkov, he has 5 years of professional hockey under his belt. It's going to benefit them for training camp to get adjusted to the team/system a little more but it sort of goes against the spirit of having a "prospects" tournament.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 09, 2019, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
Taro Hirose restores the lead.

Just saw that he had 7 points in 10 games with the Red Wings to finish last season. Pretty impressive. Bet he's kicking himself for not signing with the Leafs with that gaping hole on the left side to start the season though...
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: Highlander on September 09, 2019, 08:11:33 PM
thanks Herman for all the commentary. Looks like Kivihalme is the real deal???

Yeah, like Carlton said, the caveat with Kivihalme is he’s pretty developed already and really just here to get acquainted with Keefe and Co. I do think he’s a bit more advanced in hockey sense than Calle Rosén was when he first crossed the pond.

Good golly are the Leafs mobile in the backend though. Hollowell nearly singlehandedly tied the game at the end.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 09, 2019, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 09, 2019, 08:39:47 PM
Quote from: herman on September 09, 2019, 06:25:19 PM
Taro Hirose restores the lead.

Just saw that he had 7 points in 10 games with the Red Wings to finish last season. Pretty impressive. Bet he's kicking himself for not signing with the Leafs with that gaping hole on the left side to start the season though...

I was really hoping to get him, but he sees the forward situation with the Leafs vs the Red Wings. Couldn’t have predicted the Hyman injury and even that is a temporary situation.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Bender on September 10, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
I only caught the third but I love Hollowell's game. He's so slick,so skilled and mobile. He had the puck on a string it looked like.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Zee on September 10, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 10, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
I only caught the third but I love Hollowell's game. He's so slick,so skilled and mobile. He had the puck on a string it looked like.

I'm mildly optimistic about Hollowell too.  If we can get 2 out of the 3 Sandin, Liljegren and Hollowell to pan out, we're in pretty good shape on D for a few years.  Dermott already in the fold, Rielly still here, the future could be bright on the back end.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Dappleganger on September 10, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 10, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 10, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
I only caught the third but I love Hollowell's game. He's so slick,so skilled and mobile. He had the puck on a string it looked like.

I'm mildly optimistic about Hollowell too.  If we can get 2 out of the 3 Sandin, Liljegren and Hollowell to pan out, we're in pretty good shape on D for a few years.  Dermott already in the fold, Rielly still here, the future could be bright on the back end.


Right now Liljegren looks like the odd man out (the player not progressing) but I really hope I'm wrong about that.

Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 10, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on September 10, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
Right now Liljegren looks like the odd man out (the player not progressing) but I really hope I'm wrong about that.

I haven't watched a lick of him as a Marlie so I won't pretend to be an expert... but here's someone who can make claims about him:

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I'm not particularly worried about his development. Seems like there was a good chance he'd have played NHL games for us last season if it wasn't for his injury.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 10, 2019, 10:38:38 AM
I think people are going to be pretty happy about Liljegren as long as they're not expecting Karlsson-level offense. He spent a lot of last season going through the Rielly Process*, literally focusing on defense, PK, top shutdown minutes. And since people aren't watching the games and just looking at the points, uh duh. Sandin is going to receive similar treatment this season.

* The Reilly Process was instituted by Babcock and the rest of the coaching staff for defenseman development, specifically at the top of the depth chart.
Year 1: cushy, offensive deployment to start and get confidence built up with success; layer on responsibility as the year progresses
Year 2: the other side of the game; no PP, only PK, shudown minutes stress test to see where this players aptitudes off the puck are
Year 3: put it back together, aiming for a two-way stalwart that is reliable in all phases of the game. Might start leaning into strengths and sheltering weaknesses more.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Bender on September 10, 2019, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on September 10, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
Quote from: Zee on September 10, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 10, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
I only caught the third but I love Hollowell's game. He's so slick,so skilled and mobile. He had the puck on a string it looked like.

I'm mildly optimistic about Hollowell too.  If we can get 2 out of the 3 Sandin, Liljegren and Hollowell to pan out, we're in pretty good shape on D for a few years.  Dermott already in the fold, Rielly still here, the future could be bright on the back end.


Right now Liljegren looks like the odd man out (the player not progressing) but I really hope I'm wrong about that.

I think there's progress being made. He's 19, it's just his really good 18yo season was overshadowed by Sandin's even better season.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: RedLeaf on September 10, 2019, 10:48:30 AM
Quote from: herman on September 10, 2019, 10:38:38 AM
I think people are going to be pretty happy about Liljegren as long as they're not expecting Karlsson-level offense. He spent a lot of last season going through the Rielly Process*, literally focusing on defense, PK, top shutdown minutes. And since people aren't watching the games and just looking at the points, uh duh. Sandin is going to receive similar treatment this season.

* The Reilly Process was instituted by Babcock and the rest of the coaching staff for defenseman development, specifically at the top of the depth chart.
Year 1: cushy, offensive deployment to start and get confidence built up with success; layer on responsibility as the year progresses
Year 2: the other side of the game; no PP, only PK, shudown minutes stress test to see where this players aptitudes off the puck are
Year 3: put it back together, aiming for a two-way stalwart that is reliable in all phases of the game. Might start leaning into strengths and sheltering weaknesses more.

Agreed. I like the way the Leafs are doing this with their D. First year as a Marlie, let them show what they got and just let them play their game. 2nd season have them focus on playing defensive zone hockey. 3rd year, combine the two.....Get to the big club.... same 3 year process with Babcock.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 10, 2019, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 10, 2019, 10:43:00 AM
I think there's progress being made. He's 19, it's just his really good 18yo season was overshadowed by Sandin's even better season.

If he was Canadian he wouldn't have even been eligible to play in the AHL until this upcoming season. Instead he part of an AHL championship winning defence corps at 18 and then followed that up by playing top pairing AHL minutes the next season. Like I said I'm not going to pretend to know what his ceiling is but just based off that I'd be pretty surprised if at minimum he didn't become a reliable bottom pairing defender who can move the puck.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Highlander on September 10, 2019, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: Zee on September 10, 2019, 10:02:24 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 10, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
I only caught the third but I love Hollowell's game. He's so slick,so skilled and mobile. He had the puck on a string it looked like.

I'm mildly optimistic about Hollowell too.  If we can get 2 out of the 3 Sandin, Liljegren and Hollowell to pan out, we're in pretty good shape on D for a few years.  Dermott already in the fold, Rielly still here, the future could be bright on the back end.
Don't forget Kivihalme, Duzak, Lindgren, Kokkonen, Koster, Kral, Loponen and a long shot Rasanen (he is 6'6" all day long).  One would hope that 2 or 3 of these guys can make it at some point.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: Bullfrog on September 10, 2019, 01:15:59 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 10, 2019, 10:52:19 AM
Quote from: Bender on September 10, 2019, 10:43:00 AM
I think there's progress being made. He's 19, it's just his really good 18yo season was overshadowed by Sandin's even better season.

If he was Canadian he wouldn't have even been eligible to play in the AHL until this upcoming season. Instead he part of an AHL championship winning defence corps at 18 and then followed that up by playing top pairing AHL minutes the next season. Like I said I'm not going to pretend to know what his ceiling is but just based off that I'd be pretty surprised if at minimum he didn't become a reliable bottom pairing defender who can move the puck.

Given that I'm still angry they traded away Stralman 10 years ago, I'm going to rage if they aren't super patient with Liljegren.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 11, 2019, 10:35:29 AM
Robertson finished with 4 goals in 3 games in this tournament, putting him in a multi-way tie for 2nd among all players. All the other players with 4 goals played 4 games though so we'll just say he finished 2nd. Joe Veleno had the lead with 7 goals in 4 games.

He finished in a multi-way tie for 3rd in goals with 15. But in shots per game he would have finished 1st in the tournament.

Kivihalme had 4 points in 2 games.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 11, 2019, 10:42:27 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 11, 2019, 10:35:29 AM
Robertson finished with 4 goals in 3 games in this tournament, putting him in a multi-way tie for 2nd among all players. All the other players with 4 goals played 4 games though so we'll just say he finished 2nd. Joe Veleno had the lead with 7 goals in 4 games.

He finished in a multi-way tie for 3rd in goals with 15. But in shots per game he would have finished 1st in the tournament.

Kivihalme had 4 points in 2 games.

Today, Joe Veleno is about 19.75 years old. Today, Nick Robertson turned 18. 24.25 years ago, Kivihalme was born in Cloquet, Minnesota where his father Janne was playing for the University of Wisconsin-Superior alongside Nick Mulvey, who both ended up becoming the Assistant Coach at Burnsville High (Janne was the head coach), coaching, you guessed it, Teemu Kivihalme from 2011 to 2013. Prior to taking the Burnsville head coaching job, Janne was the assistant coach at Minnetonka, where Jake Gardiner played. - Pierre Maguire, probably.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 11, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: herman on September 11, 2019, 10:42:27 AM
Today, Joe Veleno is about 19.75 years old. Today, Nick Robertson turned 18. 24.25 years ago, Kivihalme was born in Cloquet, Minnesota where his father Janne was playing for the University of Wisconsin-Superior alongside Nick Mulvey, who ended up becoming the Assistant Coach at Burnsville High, coaching, you guessed it, Teemu Kivihalme from 2011 to 2013. - Pierre Maguire, probably.

You know I was actually pretty surprised to learn that Kivihalme was born in the US. Just looked at his profile the other day and saw that. Not sure if he spent his entire childhood in North America but he did play high school/junior/college hockey all in the States. I really don't recall hearing much about that when he was signed. So if he's got NHL chops at least he won't have to deal with any issues other players coming from overseas might run into.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: herman on September 11, 2019, 11:03:07 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on September 11, 2019, 10:47:59 AM
Quote from: herman on September 11, 2019, 10:42:27 AM
Today, Joe Veleno is about 19.75 years old. Today, Nick Robertson turned 18. 24.25 years ago, Kivihalme was born in Cloquet, Minnesota where his father Janne was playing for the University of Wisconsin-Superior alongside Nick Mulvey, who ended up becoming the Assistant Coach at Burnsville High, coaching, you guessed it, Teemu Kivihalme from 2011 to 2013. - Pierre Maguire, probably.

You know I was actually pretty surprised to learn that Kivihalme was born in the US. Just looked at his profile the other day and saw that. Not sure if he spent his entire childhood in North America but he did play high school/junior/college hockey all in the States. I really don't recall hearing much about that when he was signed. So if he's got NHL chops at least he won't have to deal with any issues other players coming from overseas might run into.

I heard about it when he was rumoured to be signing. His dad was the head coach in high school so he got the 'C' and probably top minutes all the way through until pro. He didn't play in Europe until he was in his 20s. Liiga plays on NHL sized rinks anyway.

Draft pick of the Preds in 2013 (the Seth Jones year). I think he's better than Harpur (easily) and definitely better offensively and transitionally than Marincin but I'm uncertain of his PK.
Title: Re: Rookie Tournament
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 11, 2019, 02:49:23 PM
Official stats on all 33 players in the Rookie Tournament: