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Title: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 11:55:08 AM
Some potential big news in the Toronto Sports Media world:

The usually reliable Jonah from torontosportsmedia.com is reporting via twitter that this could be Bob McCown's last week hosting PTS.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on June 18, 2019, 11:58:21 AM
Some potential big news in the Toronto Sports Media world:

The usually reliable Jonah from torontosportsmedia.com is reporting via twitter that this could be Bob McCown's last week hosting PTS.

Love the bobcat but I wouldn't be surprised if he calls it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 18, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Huh. Retirement or getting pushed out?
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Post by: Michael on June 18, 2019, 12:20:05 PM
Huh. Retirement or getting pushed out?

If he is pushed out, he will no doubt still get paid the money on his big contract. But it highlights what a cold business it can be sometimes. PTS (SportsNet) is taking a kicking in the ratings from Overdrive (TSN). Perhaps SportsNet has an opportunity to do something now to stop the bleeding.

I wonder if Tim and Sid will take that slot. They could do both the radio and TV spot and perhaps stop the bleeding away from SportsNet over to the TSN show.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 18, 2019, 01:05:55 PM
If he is pushed out, he will no doubt still get paid the money on his big contract. But it highlights what a cold business it can be sometimes. PTS (SportsNet) is taking a kicking in the ratings from Overdrive (TSN). Perhaps SportsNet has an opportunity to do something now to stop the bleeding.

Admittedly I don't know a ton about these things but I wonder if his contract doesn't have some sort of language about maybe being negated if his show gets cancelled. Then, with that in mind, maybe in order to let him save some face and go out on his own terms they're doing this instead of cancelling his show.

Either way, it's very easy to believe that if McCown is making a ton of money that with radio maybe not being a huge growth industry these days that his show isn't super-profitable.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:10:25 PM
Huh. Retirement or getting pushed out?

If he is pushed out, he will no doubt still get paid the money on his big contract. But it highlights what a cold business it can be sometimes. PTS (SportsNet) is taking a kicking in the ratings from Overdrive (TSN). Perhaps SportsNet has an opportunity to do something now to stop the bleeding.

I wonder if Tim and Sid will take that slot. They could do both the radio and TV spot and perhaps stop the bleeding away from SportsNet over to the TSN show.

In the rare times I have been in the car in the afternoon drive time over the last few years. I'd flip back and forth depending on the subject being discussed.

If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 18, 2019, 01:16:18 PM
If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.

I made the switch a while ago and will stick with TSN Overdrive regardless. I am not a fan of Tim and Sid, but suggested that they may be the answer for two reasons:

1. They seem to do a lot of goofing around in an attempt to bring in the non-traditional sports radio people. They also seem to appeal to a younger crowd, and the ratings suggest that McCown is losing the younger audience.

2. They are already on the payroll, so re-branding/re-launching them would be a minimal incremental cost compared with going in a whole new direction.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 18, 2019, 01:24:22 PM
Either way, it's very easy to believe that if McCown is making a ton of money that with radio maybe not being a huge growth industry these days that his show isn't super-profitable.

He would not be the first person to price himself out of the market in radio. He had a long run. Really long. But I can see it not being worth it for the station (for his price tag) or for him (because he will not work for less) anymore.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:28:46 PM
If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.

I made the switch a while ago and will stick with TSN Overdrive regardless. I am not a fan of Tim and Sid, but suggested that they may be the answer for two reasons:

1. They seem to do a lot of goofing around in an attempt to bring in the non-traditional sports radio people. They also seem to appeal to a younger crowd, and the ratings suggest that McCown is losing the younger audience.

2. They are already on the payroll, so re-branding/re-launching them would be a minimal incremental cost compared with going in a whole new direction.
If Tim & Sid take over the time slot, I'd probably be on 1050 exclusively.

I made the switch a while ago and will stick with TSN Overdrive regardless. I am not a fan of Tim and Sid, but suggested that they may be the answer for two reasons:

1. They seem to do a lot of goofing around in an attempt to bring in the non-traditional sports radio people. They also seem to appeal to a younger crowd, and the ratings suggest that McCown is losing the younger audience.

2. They are already on the payroll, so re-branding/re-launching them would be a minimal incremental cost compared with going in a whole new direction.

Yeah, I could see them going that way I just can't stand Sid.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 18, 2019, 01:42:12 PM
Yeah, I could see them going that way I just can't stand Sid.

The thing with Sid is, I find that he is very talented.  Like, Bob McCown replacement type.  But he needs to strip down the persona and outbursts and get back to his original self.  He's filled in a few times and if he simply delivers the goods, he is excellent.

If McCown is truly signing off, then I have to see who his replacement(s) is/are.  Him leaving the airwaves may be enough for me to give up on sports radio for good.  No way am I venturing back over to 1050.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Overdrive for me. Like O'Dog, Noodles, Ferraro, Bobby Mac. Like listening to the ex-players and get their perspective on things.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on June 18, 2019, 02:56:08 PM
Overdrive for me. Like O'Dog, Noodles, Ferraro, Bobby Mac. Like listening to the ex-players and get their perspective on things.

Same here.  I can't stand McCowan and his...





dramatic pauses while he speaks.

I prefer the locker-room-esque banter between the 3 guys on Overdrive.  Just sounds like a more natural conversation to me and I just prefer their style and opinions.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 18, 2019, 03:03:29 PM
If McCown is truly signing off, then I have to see who his replacement(s) is/are.  Him leaving the airwaves may be enough for me to give up on sports radio for good.  No way am I venturing back over to 1050.

Yeah. He wasn't always my favourite and he definitely wasn't a details guy but I'd at least take the outsider perspective/knowledge about the business side of things over try hard meme bros and whatever latest iteration of ex-jocks talking about what makes the heart of a champion tends to be on sports radio. Unless they try something of a similar vein, I'm likely to just write off the format.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on June 18, 2019, 03:44:35 PM
I'm a big Bob fan so I'll be very disappointed by this, I listen daily. Hayes is really good too but O-dog and Noodles are not. Overdrive is the only good show at Tsn1050, I preferred when they were on at 1pm-4pm so I could listen to both.

If they replace PTS with Tim & Sid I won't be listening. I actually like Good Show. Added them to my podcasts yesterday.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on June 18, 2019, 03:52:34 PM
If McCown is truly signing off, then I have to see who his replacement(s) is/are.  Him leaving the airwaves may be enough for me to give up on sports radio for good.  No way am I venturing back over to 1050.

Yeah. He wasn't always my favourite and he definitely wasn't a details guy but I'd at least take the outsider perspective/knowledge about the business side of things over try hard meme bros and whatever latest iteration of ex-jocks talking about what makes the heart of a champion tends to be on sports radio. Unless they try something of a similar vein, I'm likely to just write off the format.

^ this is good stuff
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on June 18, 2019, 04:15:30 PM
I'm thinking the "BIG" change might be John Shannon no longer on the show as co-host in the 4 o'clock hour.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 18, 2019, 04:16:00 PM
Overdrive for me. Like O'Dog, Noodles, Ferraro, Bobby Mac. Like listening to the ex-players and get their perspective on things.

Same here.  I can't stand McCowan and his...





dramatic pauses while he speaks.

I prefer the locker-room-esque banter between the 3 guys on Overdrive.  Just sounds like a more natural conversation to me and I just prefer their style and opinions.
Me too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 19, 2019, 07:52:13 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 19, 2019, 07:53:09 PM

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 19, 2019, 10:39:49 PM
Can’t believe Bob is actually gone. Doubt it was on his own terms considering how abrupt this came about.

I’m done with Toronto sports radio. Stumbled across OverDrive on TV this afternoon during Gerry’s percentages, with Noodles dropping percentages like 71% and 17%. Get lost dweeb.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 20, 2019, 07:15:38 AM
Can’t believe Bob is actually gone. Doubt it was on his own terms considering how abrupt this came about.

I’m done with Toronto sports radio. Stumbled across OverDrive on TV this afternoon during Gerry’s percentages, with Noodles dropping percentages like 71% and 17%. Get lost dweeb.

If my first listen to Overdrive came during Gerry's percentages I would probably never have listened again, so I am glad that was not the case.

O'Neil was away yesterday so it was Hayes and McLennan (Noodles) and they interviewed Nick Nurse and I thought it was great. Bob certainly could do a great interview at times, but he seems to have lost interest lately. Hayes did a nice job with Nurse and I walked away from it with a better understanding of him and some of the things he went through personally during their drive to the championship.

They clown around a lot. Sometimes too much. But at the end of the day, I think Hayes and the host and O'Neil and McLennan as the ex-players do a really good job interviewing players, coaches, GM's and/or drawing out the most in conversations with guys like Ray Ferraro, Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger etc.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 20, 2019, 10:34:57 AM
If my first listen to Overdrive came during Gerry's percentages I would probably never have listened again, so I am glad that was not the case.

O'Neil was away yesterday so it was Hayes and McLennan (Noodles) and they interviewed Nick Nurse and I thought it was great. Bob certainly could do a great interview at times, but he seems to have lost interest lately. Hayes did a nice job with Nurse and I walked away from it with a better understanding of him and some of the things he went through personally during their drive to the championship.

They clown around a lot. Sometimes too much. But at the end of the day, I think Hayes and the host and O'Neil and McLennan as the ex-players do a really good job interviewing players, coaches, GM's and/or drawing out the most in conversations with guys like Ray Ferraro, Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger etc.

I enjoy OverDrive when it first started, but I soured on it pretty quickly.  Way too amateurish for me -- I could have the same conversations with my buddies over a beer or with the people on these message boards.  I also find O'Neill and Noodles to be complete d-bags (moreso the latter).

And the constant use of Ferraro, Dreger, Bobby Mac, Kypreos, Marek, Buck Martinez, etc., is what I find tiresome these days.  Same crap each and every day with the guests coming from within.  That's what I loved about Prime Time Sports -- there was variety to it.  Now it'll be a 24/7 fest of dissecting the same thing over and over. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on June 20, 2019, 10:45:37 AM

I didn't mind him and will kinda miss him after all these years but he really is a dinosaur.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 20, 2019, 02:50:13 PM


 I could have the same conversations with my buddies over a beer
That's what's appealing about it. Almost like 3 guys just hanging out shooting the breeze. It's entertaining and funny. And no one interviews and has more fun with ex/current players then these guys.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bates on June 20, 2019, 02:58:34 PM
I would listen to Maclean over any of the other Hickey Central guys. I really like Overdrive, just easy listening to a few clowns.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on June 20, 2019, 04:04:21 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on June 20, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
When he comes back I doubt it will be on AM radio... and I don't subscribe to streaming radio or infinite data so sad news for me.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2019, 04:12:30 PM

Well I guess that clears up whether he was fired or not. Side note, it's somewhat weird that he's not verified on twitter.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on June 20, 2019, 04:15:19 PM

Well, like him or not it certainly is the end of an era.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Joe S. on June 20, 2019, 04:26:31 PM
This might be the 3d time he’s been let go from the 1430/fan
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on June 25, 2019, 10:51:00 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

Apparently Rogers media division is losing lots of money...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on June 27, 2019, 09:25:25 AM
I can't think of anybody who uses more words to say less than Renaud Lavoie.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Can8899 on June 27, 2019, 10:28:17 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

Apparently Rogers media division is losing lots of money...

Any news about Hosehead the dog?  Anyone???

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Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 06:34:19 AM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

It's Steve Simmons so obviously some caution is merited but the next name on the list may very well be Don Cherry:


And buried within is some confirmation that Rogers is losing a ton of money on their NHL deal.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 07, 2019, 04:36:28 PM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

It's Steve Simmons so obviously some caution is merited but the next name on the list may very well be Don Cherry:


And buried within is some confirmation that Rogers is losing a ton of money on their NHL deal.

Well that is probably not good for the cap.  Would it make sense for the NHL to sell off the national rights in pieces to TSN and SN, or does it only make sense to sell them as a complete package?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on July 07, 2019, 05:37:43 PM
I have seen things written to suggest that SportsNet is dropping a lot of other people. All I have heard for sure is Bob and Doug, already mentioned above.

Does anyone have anyone else to add to the list?

It's Steve Simmons so obviously some caution is merited but the next name on the list may very well be Don Cherry:


And buried within is some confirmation that Rogers is losing a ton of money on their NHL deal.

Well that is probably not good for the cap.  Would it make sense for the NHL to sell off the national rights in pieces to TSN and SN, or does it only make sense to sell them as a complete package?

The $5.2 billion deal is already accounted for in the cap.  It's a twelve year deal so that won't change until 2026.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 05:42:30 PM
Maybe their ratings/profits might get a jolt if they quit featuring a guy whose main appeal is to a demographic that is literally dying out.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 06:17:27 PM
Maybe their ratings/profits might get a jolt if they quit featuring a guy whose main appeal is to a demographic that is literally dying out.

Honestly, I feel like that's giving Cherry too much importance. Ratings suck because the game is too local, there aren't really standout teams and the league has more or less maxed out their Canadian audience. None of the people I know who don't watch hockey are going to be won over by a really dynamic intermission show.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 06:49:59 PM
Maybe their ratings/profits might get a jolt if they quit featuring a guy whose main appeal is to a demographic that is literally dying out.

Honestly, I feel like that's giving Cherry too much importance. Ratings suck because the game is too local, there aren't really standout teams and the league has more or less maxed out their Canadian audience. None of the people I know who don't watch hockey are going to be won over by a really dynamic intermission show.

Yeah, you're right.  It's a niche sport and the niche is full.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 07:05:45 PM

There's another reality though and I think my Father is a good example of it. He's a pretty big sports fan but he's also recently retired and decided to cut back on a few things. Despite that he pays for MLB.tv which is about 130 bucks a year to stream every single Baseball game. Come the Fall he may give DAZN 20 bucks a month to watch every single football game.

Just to watch the Leafs you either need a cable package from Bell or Rogers that includes all of the sports channels or you need to subscribe to both the TSN and Sportsnet streaming services. Either way that works out to something like 60+ bucks a month. Hockey's great and obviously I'm too far gone to give up the Leafs but following this one team now costs roughly three times as much as the entirety of Major League Baseball or the NFL for Canadian fans.

So it's not just a niche, it's a league that seems intent on squeezing that niche to death.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 07, 2019, 07:11:22 PM

There's another reality though and I think my Father is a good example of it. He's a pretty big sports fan but he's also recently retired and decided to cut back on a few things. Despite that he pays for MLB.tv which is about 130 bucks a year to stream every single Baseball game. Come the Fall he may give DAZN 20 bucks a month to watch every single football game.

Just to watch the Leafs you either need a cable package from Bell or Rogers that includes all of the sports channels or you need to subscribe to both the TSN and Sportsnet streaming services. Either way that works out to something like 60+ bucks a month. Hockey's great and obviously I'm too far gone to give up the Leafs but following this one team now costs roughly three times as much as the entirety of Major League Baseball or the NFL for Canadian fans.

So it's not just a niche, it's a league that seems intent on squeezing that niche to death.

We may disagree on many things, Nik, but we are Siamese Twins when to comes to our opinion of the intelligence of the NHL's leadership.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 07, 2019, 07:17:49 PM
We may disagree on many things, Nik, but we are Siamese Twins when to comes to our opinion of the intelligence of the NHL's leadership.

It's an interesting thing of who's to blame there. My instinct is to put it on Bell/Rogers as opposed to the league itself(although I appreciate that as Leafs ownership the distinction there is minimal) but there's no question that the league is ceding power to TV folk because they're so hooked on that money.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 07, 2019, 11:04:12 PM
One day...

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on July 08, 2019, 12:27:19 AM
One day...


Sounds like Don has his tweets ghosted for him ... those are awfully even-keel.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on July 08, 2019, 07:34:03 AM
I'm not a Simmons defender by any means, in fact i can't stand the guy, but he didn't actually say Cherry was fired.  He basically said they hadn't officially renewed coaches corner and because Cherry makes alot they might consider not bringing him back given the other cuts Rogers has been making (I.e. McCowan and McLean)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:05:17 AM
I'm not a Simmons defender by any means, in fact i can't stand the guy, but he didn't actually say Cherry was fired.  He basically said they hadn't officially renewed coaches corner and because Cherry makes alot they might consider not bringing him back given the other cuts Rogers has been making (I.e. McCowan and McLean)

I am not a Simmons fan either, but he is not the problem here. If Cherry has not been renewed then why has Rogers not said a word? This story has had legs since the middle of last week and all Rogers has to do is say a word and it is shot down.

The fact that they have said nothing tells me that it might finally (mercifully) be true that Cherry is off HNIC.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:16:16 AM
I'm not a Simmons defender by any means, in fact i can't stand the guy, but he didn't actually say Cherry was fired.  He basically said they hadn't officially renewed coaches corner and because Cherry makes alot they might consider not bringing him back given the other cuts Rogers has been making (I.e. McCowan and McLean)

A "journalist" would have reached out to Cherry or CBC for comment though before writing something like that. But Steve's a "columnist" so none of those integrity standards apply to him.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on July 08, 2019, 08:16:19 AM
Sure Rogers may have told Don verbally that he would be back, but in reality Rogers have other plans. 
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:27:57 AM
I was always sceptical about the claim because regardless of his salary there was just no way Rogers was going to unceremoniously let him go. He's not Doug McLean, who was likely not renewed because he doesn't bring anything to the show and Burke's essentially replaced him as the former GM, not because of salary reasons. And while McCowan was huge in the radio world I'd venture a guess that a tiny fraction of Canadians know who he is as opposed to Don Cherry who pretty much every Canadian knows. They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on July 08, 2019, 08:46:41 AM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 08:52:18 AM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.

I mean like I said in the sentence right before that, McCown might be a massive name in radio but in terms of all-around audience and appeal to Canadians they aren't even in the same solar system.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 08, 2019, 09:11:36 AM

I wonder if the thing is that Rogers may "want" to bring him back but only if he comes back for a significantly reduced salary. For someone like McCown, that may have been worthless to him as he's already probably made enough to comfortably retire on.

Cherry though seems to really enjoy the spotlight so maybe he's willing to come back and the lack of any sort of announcement has to do with just some end stage negotiations.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: hap_leaf on July 08, 2019, 12:35:36 PM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.

At McCown’s request, there will be no fanfare or tributes during his final shows, Sportsnet said.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 08, 2019, 02:31:04 PM
In that same article by Simmons, there was a piece about Matthews making a request that Nylander be on his line instead of Kapanen.  Think there is any truth to that?
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Post by: Guilt Trip on July 08, 2019, 04:32:40 PM
They'll give him a final "retirement" season (that may not include weekly appearances anymore) for his swan song.

You mean the opposite of what happened to Bob McCown? Bob is also a huge name and has been a staple of Sports Talk radio in Canada for 30 nearly 30 years and he was not given any send-off at all. He foumd out and then 2 or 3 days later he signed off for the last time.

I mean like I said in the sentence right before that, McCown might be a massive name in radio but in terms of all-around audience and appeal to Canadians they aren't even in the same solar system.
True. Love him or hate him, Cherry is huge.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 08, 2019, 04:54:30 PM
In that same article by Simmons, there was a piece about Matthews making a request that Nylander be on his line instead of Kapanen.  Think there is any truth to that?

Considering the source? I'd be skeptical.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 08, 2019, 04:59:11 PM
In that same article by Simmons, there was a piece about Matthews making a request that Nylander be on his line instead of Kapanen.  Think there is any truth to that?

Considering the source? I'd be skeptical.

I don't buy it from Simmons, but even if it's true I wouldn't fault Matthews for doing it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Chris on July 08, 2019, 05:04:59 PM
I'm sure Matthews would prefer to play with Nylander versus Kapanen - who wouldn't? For all his speed, Kapanen is nowhere near the passer or playmaker that Nylander is.

However, I doubt Matthews ever told Simmons that. He's just stating something that is obvious to anyone who has watched the Leafs.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on July 08, 2019, 05:06:21 PM

To be fair if it's true that doesn't mean it would have to be Matthew's who would have told it to Simmons.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on July 09, 2019, 12:03:57 AM
I would hope Willie isn't going to be a $6.9 mil 3rd liner so that leaves Kapi on the 3rd..
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on July 09, 2019, 08:42:38 AM
I would hope Willie isn't going to be a $6.9 mil 3rd liner so that leaves Kapi on the 3rd..

One of these guys needs to switch sides and play the off-wing.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: cabber24 on July 12, 2019, 01:13:45 PM
I am embarrassed for both TSN and Sportsnet radio this week, especially in the morning. Truly awful radio. Surely, they can hire a few more capable people. Anyone else listening to this garbage?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: leafsjunkie on July 12, 2019, 01:22:21 PM
I am embarrassed for both TSN and Sportsnet radio this week, especially in the morning. Truly awful radio. Surely, they can hire a few more capable people. Anyone else listening to this garbage?

Honestly, I try and listen, but they spout the same lazy garbage narritive every time. They also say stuff that is also totally false and I wonder how these guys have jobs, because they don't provide any real insigh or knowledge. I yell at the radio then turn it off.
Sports radio is dead in this city, for me.
Glad I have Spotify.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 01:35:38 PM
It's been about a week since that Simmons piece about Cherry and Rogers/Sportsnet has still made zero comment about it. Not even a non-committal "we intend/plan for him to return" while negotiations or something go on. Maybe that means nothing, but it's a little odd.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on July 12, 2019, 01:47:36 PM
It's been about a week since that Simmons piece about Cherry and Rogers/Sportsnet has still made zero comment about it. Not even a non-committal "we intend/plan for him to return" while negotiations or something go on. Maybe that means nothing, but it's a little odd.

There was this at least, but not much more:
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 01:51:41 PM
There was this at least, but not much more:

Yeah but that article is basically just re-posting Don Cherry's tweet. The fact that it was posted on CBC doesn't really mean anything, especially since they have nothing to do with the decision. It also says "a Sportsnet spokesperson declined comment in an email" in it.

I've also seen stories that say "Don Cherry confirms return to Coaches Corner" or something, and he absolutely did not do that.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on July 12, 2019, 01:59:03 PM
There was this at least, but not much more:

Yeah but that article is basically just re-posting Don Cherry's tweet. The fact that it was posted on CBC doesn't really mean anything, especially since they have nothing to do with the decision. It also says "a Sportsnet spokesperson declined comment in an email" in it.

I've also seen stories that say "Don Cherry confirms return to Coaches Corner" or something, and he absolutely did not do that.

I definitely did not bother to read said 'article'.

I'm guessing Rogers put Cherry's agent on hold. A week of waiting for response is kind of normal operating procedure over there.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 12, 2019, 06:04:05 PM
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Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on July 12, 2019, 07:02:37 PM
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I voted yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Rob on July 12, 2019, 07:37:33 PM
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I voted yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're done with those anyway. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on July 12, 2019, 08:01:18 PM
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I voted yes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Your done with those anyway.

Exactly my thought lol
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on July 26, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Brian Burke Explains How Teams Like Jets and Maple Leafs Can Work Within Salary Cap|Tim and Sid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH3gKESndqk
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: L K on July 26, 2019, 11:02:04 AM
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Repeat the question with the surgeon and anesthetist in the room and the number goes to 3%.  I'm pretty sure 3% of people are that dumb.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 07, 2019, 11:01:51 AM
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChV3NHKFYgxe4k1ajuk_bbw
Just found Paul Bissonnette's podcast. Love the banter and insight into the lifestyle of the journeyman.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:53:08 AM

Kypreos is out at Sportsnet.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 10:57:29 AM
@yyzsportsmedia reported this right before it was made official. Here's some of his other tweets from today:

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So as we get close to labor day here are some thoughts I have on the Toronto Sports media scene...again just thoughts .....

Don Cherry put the Rogers folks in a bind with his publicity "I am coming back " stunt.. I 100% believe he was done but likely bought himself a swan song one last year...

While not confirmed and both parties have gone silent, the rumor that will not go away is that neither Nick Kypreos or John Shannon will play roles at Sportsnet this fall. Again not confirmed but literally everyone is talking about it

Look for Carlo Colaiacovo to play a bigger role at TSN many are impressed with him

Scott MacArthur is the rising star at Rogers both with fans and internally. Here's hoping this continues and he avoids being the shiney penny

There's a ton of speculation on new hosts for PTS...many believe they will simply let Blair ride this out for a while until people are no longer lamenting the loss of Bob and then announce new host.

Prevailing rumor this summer was that Tim and Sid would be split, with one taking on PTS and the other to a new role but that appears to be fiction...
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 28, 2019, 10:59:19 AM

Kypreos is out at Sportsnet.

Buckle up, people, there's going to be the occasional trade you're going to have to wait an extra 20 seconds to learn about now.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on August 28, 2019, 11:15:37 AM
@yyzsportsmedia reported this right before it was made official. Here's some of his other tweets from today:

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So as we get close to labor day here are some thoughts I have on the Toronto Sports media scene...again just thoughts .....

Don Cherry put the Rogers folks in a bind with his publicity "I am coming back " stunt.. I 100% believe he was done but likely bought himself a swan song one last year...

While not confirmed and both parties have gone silent, the rumor that will not go away is that neither Nick Kypreos or John Shannon will play roles at Sportsnet this fall. Again not confirmed but literally everyone is talking about it

Look for Carlo Colaiacovo to play a bigger role at TSN many are impressed with him

Scott MacArthur is the rising star at Rogers both with fans and internally. Here's hoping this continues and he avoids being the shiney penny

There's a ton of speculation on new hosts for PTS...many believe they will simply let Blair ride this out for a while until people are no longer lamenting the loss of Bob and then announce new host.

Prevailing rumor this summer was that Tim and Sid would be split, with one taking on PTS and the other to a new role but that appears to be fiction...

I liked Carlo when he first started but over time, I just found him to get dumber.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
I liked Carlo when he first started but over time, I just found him to get dumber.

I don't really listen to the radio but most of the things I've seen through twitter (either from him directly or people discussing his radio takes) really paint him as just another typical former hockey player with outdated views.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on August 28, 2019, 11:35:21 AM
I'd really love to hear more of Justin Bourne. I know he's with The Athletic but I think he'd be great to be on tv/radio. I'll miss Kyper a bit. I didn't agree with him all the time but I liked him for some reason. Will be interesting to see who's replacing who this fall.

I liked Carlo when he first started but over time, I just found him to get dumber.

I don't really listen to the radio but most of the things I've seen through twitter (either from him directly or people discussing his radio takes) really paint him as just another typical former hockey player with outdated views.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 28, 2019, 12:30:35 PM
Good.  Hopefully whoever replaces him is an upgrade.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 28, 2019, 12:33:27 PM

I don't like seeing anyone lose their job for the most part but there's really no getting away from the fact that both TSN and Sportsnet have basically existed providing bland competency in their studio shows for ever. They could basically replace just about anyone with just about anyone else they employ and the ultimate difference is nil.

Even the guys who I generally like, and I think this is the problem whenever we talk about who would be good replacements or fits for new hires, tend to be way more interesting and enjoyable when they're not at the TSN or Sportsnet studio shows and they can reveal a little bit of personality or, gasp, some opinions that might ruffle feathers.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:41:48 PM
Good.  Hopefully whoever replaces him is an upgrade.

The only downside to this is that I'm pretty sure it'll just mean more mic-time for Burke.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:45:35 PM
I don't like seeing anyone lose their job for the most part but there's really no getting away from the fact that both TSN and Sportsnet have basically existed providing bland competency in their studio shows for ever. They could basically replace just about anyone with just about anyone else they employ and the ultimate difference is nil.

Even the guys who I generally like, and I think this is the problem whenever we talk about who would be good replacements or fits for new hires, tend to be way more interesting and enjoyable when they're not at the TSN or Sportsnet studio shows and they can reveal a little bit of personality or, gasp, some opinions that might ruffle feathers.

I think this applies to Sportsnet a lot more than TSN. The TSN guys can often seem like they're legitimately having fun out there. And lot of of the time that's mostly because of Jeff O'Neill, who's a guy I don't agree with a lot but his presence can really lighten up the broadcast. Sportsnet's are definitely usually pretty monotonous/robotic and like you said that makes it tough for any commentator/analyst/host.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 28, 2019, 12:53:21 PM
I believe this was rumoured awhile ago but Doug Maclean confirms that he's out too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bates on August 28, 2019, 12:54:55 PM
I don't like seeing anyone lose their job for the most part but there's really no getting away from the fact that both TSN and Sportsnet have basically existed providing bland competency in their studio shows for ever. They could basically replace just about anyone with just about anyone else they employ and the ultimate difference is nil.

Even the guys who I generally like, and I think this is the problem whenever we talk about who would be good replacements or fits for new hires, tend to be way more interesting and enjoyable when they're not at the TSN or Sportsnet studio shows and they can reveal a little bit of personality or, gasp, some opinions that might ruffle feathers.

I think this applies to Sportsnet a lot more than TSN. The TSN guys can often seem like they're legitimately having fun out there. And lot of of the time that's mostly because of Jeff O'Neill, who's a guy I don't agree with a lot but his presence can really lighten up the broadcast. Sportsnet's are definitely usually pretty monotonous/robotic and like you said that makes it tough for any commentator/analyst/host.

TSN has kinda actually tried the entertainment side of programming with guys like O'Neill, Noodles, and Carlo. They sprinkle them in with guys who have some knowledge and I find myself putting in TSN almost always over Sportsnet.  I did watch Hockey Central when it was Millard, Hyper,  and MacLean. Have not watched it since Millard left.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 28, 2019, 01:10:21 PM
I think this applies to Sportsnet a lot more than TSN. The TSN guys can often seem like they're legitimately having fun out there. And lot of of the time that's mostly because of Jeff O'Neill, who's a guy I don't agree with a lot but his presence can really lighten up the broadcast. Sportsnet's are definitely usually pretty monotonous/robotic and like you said that makes it tough for any commentator/analyst/host.

I don't think it's a tone thing for me. I think you can have good studio shows that are relatively serious/professional provided you have smart, engaging people who are allowed to throw challenging opinions out there and, while trying to to be respectful of the fact that everyone has their own tastes, my problem with Sportsnet definitely isn't that they haven't imported enough talk radio dude-bros making fart noises.

Friedman, to me, is a perfect example. Any time he substituted as a host on PTS and was talking about other sports he was engaging and funny. Then, he'd get on HNIC and he's so laser focused on his main job of breaking trades 20 seconds before everyone else and thinking that fans are more interested in second hand whispers from around the league than actually talking about the league.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on August 28, 2019, 07:49:04 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 28, 2019, 08:35:33 PM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

If it's Burke vs Kypreos then Burke's entertainment advantage carries the day for me. The problem with Burke is that his authoritative sounding dogmatism was exposed as being not so authoritative during his tenure here. That makes me question pretty much anything he has to say.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 28, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
Hockey Central at Noon with Doug MacLean and Nick Kypreos was one I'd always put on if I was home. I enjoyed their takes and banter. It was rough for Kipper at the HNIC desk, he'd fumble over his words a lot. He was best in the hour-long hockey show format. Interested to see who eventually takes over PTS.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on August 29, 2019, 08:47:07 AM
I do not think as many people will care, but it is also confirmed that John Shannon is out. I like him with Bobcat.

That Rogers deal with the NHL has not panned out the way they expected. They are only 5 years into the mammoth 12 year deal and they are not seeing the revenues coming in to offset the $5 billion deal they made. I have heard that some deep playoff runs by any of the Canadian teams would have helped significantly - and from a purely money standpoint Rogers would likely want to see Toronto or Montreal go deep and draw large TV audiences.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on August 29, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on August 29, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
Some of the best discussions are generated by voices that are astoundingly wrong declaring they are absolutely right.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 29, 2019, 09:19:57 AM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.

I'm not so sure that Brian Burke's executive career should be described as a shit-show, even the past 12 years. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on August 29, 2019, 09:39:03 AM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.

I can understand why people might feel that way. I guess I like how many perspectives he has on the sport. Player agent, exec vp of the league, GM, dept of player safety, etc... I don't think anyone else is paralleled in seeing pro hockey from so many different angles, and I've enjoyed hearing his perspectives, right or wrong in hindsight.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 29, 2019, 05:42:58 PM
I like John Shannon too, nice counterweight to Bobcat. Burkie's good TV, opinionated and intelligent. I like his little stories. But I've lost a lot of respect for his semi-authoritative takes. I think if he was in charge again somewhere he'd have them locked into the NHL mushy-middle in no time.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on August 31, 2019, 02:56:28 PM
That's a helluva good hire.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on September 02, 2019, 09:57:47 AM
Personally, I like Burke, and I hope they expand his airtime. I find him and elliotte freidman entertaining.

I can't stand Burke because he comes off like he honestly knows everything but fails to acknowledge that his career was a shit show for the last 12 years. It's hard to put faith in someone's opinions who's so brash but so incompetent.

I'm not so sure that Brian Burke's executive career should be described as a shit-show, even the past 12 years.
Since the Leafs? If not a shit show then an abject failure in Toronto and a who cares in Calgary.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 04, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
Some news from down south:

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on September 16, 2019, 03:50:27 PM

Edit:
Lol
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on September 16, 2019, 04:03:38 PM
That's a pretty big bunch of plastic next to those guys.  Hopefully it doesn't end up in the ocean.  Kind of surprised Nfld hasn't banned disposable drink bottles yet.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on September 18, 2019, 10:16:30 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: nutman on September 22, 2019, 12:10:06 PM
I have a question.  Why during the coaches media scrums do these guys and gals not put the mic to there mouth when asking there questions????.  It is so annoying.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on September 22, 2019, 01:15:35 PM
Did anyone read Cox's article in the Star the other day?  A real Debi Downer piece on where the Leafs are really at inside his shaved cranium.  I guess he is not seeing what I am.  I truly believe we are looking at the best Leaf team since the 60's and maybe ever.   This season is going to be one wild ride.  We are going to go for the Cup this year Damian. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 22, 2019, 01:59:01 PM
Did anyone read Cox's article in the Star the other day?  A real Debi Downer piece on where the Leafs are really at inside his shaved cranium.  I guess he is not seeing what I am.  I truly believe we are looking at the best Leaf team since the 60's and maybe ever.   This season is going to be one wild ride.  We are going to go for the Cup this year Damian. 
I didn't read the article. The Leafs had some really good teams in the Sittler/Salming years and again in the Quinn years. This bunch is definitely talented but until they actually win a round. Should be an exciting year tho.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on September 22, 2019, 09:21:42 PM
Did anyone read Cox's article in the Star the other day?  A real Debi Downer piece on where the Leafs are really at inside his shaved cranium.  I guess he is not seeing what I am.  I truly believe we are looking at the best Leaf team since the 60's and maybe ever.   This season is going to be one wild ride.  We are going to go for the Cup this year Damian.


Not so sure how much of that cranium is shaved I think that cueball is natural
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 25, 2019, 09:45:33 AM
Changes today at The Fan. Greg Brady signed off and said goodbye.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 27, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 27, 2019, 08:20:09 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.

Are you going to stop watching games on Sportsnet?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: BrownRolo on September 27, 2019, 09:24:40 PM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.

Any time a game is broadcast on SN I always watch the opposition feed on NHL.tv

The guy doing the playbyplay is listenable but I 100% agree with you on Millen. He's the worst and I have no idea how he has a job. It's definitely not based on talent. You think they could find some new people to call games and do colour.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 28, 2019, 01:12:13 AM
The Leafs have so much money and try to do everything in a best in class kind of way - arena, training facilities, staff, support etc.

Do they have no say at all in the SportsNet on air package? I like TSN a lot. Miller and Ferraro are great. HNIC is reasonable as well. But SN is just awful. Greg Millen is the last person I want to hear from between the benches and the guy calling the game sounds like an amateur. SN is the hockey rights holder for the NHL, yet they have stripped down to a bare bones talent that has little left after Friedman.

Are you going to stop watching games on Sportsnet?

Sometimes I watch the opposite team feed to avoid it, but overall, no.  Your point? That they have no need to improve because we will always watch anyway?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 28, 2019, 08:35:05 PM
Sometimes I watch the opposite team feed to avoid it, but overall, no.  Your point? That they have no need to improve because we will always watch anyway?

That's just more or less the way the TV business works. If Sportsnet is losing a ton of money on the NHL deal, they're not going to lose more by investing in better talent if it doesn't affect ratings.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 29, 2019, 01:09:09 PM
Sometimes I watch the opposite team feed to avoid it, but overall, no.  Your point? That they have no need to improve because we will always watch anyway?

That's just more or less the way the TV business works. If Sportsnet is losing a ton of money on the NHL deal, they're not going to lose more by investing in better talent if it doesn't affect ratings.

Or, you know, how it works for every business out there...Well, ones that stay in business.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on September 30, 2019, 08:48:40 AM
I am not sure that suggesting someone does not know how a business runs profitably is furthering the discussion.

The point is that the Leafs do everything in a world class type of way. Sadly, the majority of their games on TV (the ones on SportsNet) are anything but world class. In fact they are awful.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2019, 05:01:01 PM
I am not sure that suggesting someone does not know how a business runs profitably is furthering the discussion.

The point is that the Leafs do everything in a world class type of way. Sadly, the majority of their games on TV (the ones on SportsNet) are anything but world class. In fact they are awful.

I'm not saying that the games shouldn't be broadcast in a professional manner. I just don't see what you or I can do to up the quality other than stop watching.

That being said, I don't watch intermissions, or really listen to Millen, or whomever. I watch the Leafs play hockey. 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: disco on September 30, 2019, 05:01:40 PM
We deserve better. It's a world-class market, huge devoted fan-base. Perhaps Sportsnet sees the Leafs viewing audience as the NHL sees Canada: expected and taken for granted.

Romanuck last year and now this new gentleman for all the SN games excluding the somewhat bland and corporate Hughson for Saturdays. Competent, but I've been turning on Bowen and synchronizing. I just don't find myself doing that for Gord Miller or Chris Cuthbert on TSN. I don't need a homer or anything, just competence, style and a none-nasally/gravelly voice.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on September 30, 2019, 05:59:23 PM
The point is that the Leafs do everything in a world class type of way. Sadly, the majority of their games on TV (the ones on SportsNet) are anything but world class. In fact they are awful.

Well, no. It's your opinion that they're awful. Likewise, the people in charge of the broadcast probably feel that it's pretty good considering the budget they have. Regardless, nobody above the producer at Sportsnet is likely to make a change unless they think it will tangibly affect the ratings.

And given that the Leafs are Sportsnet, or at least in part, it seems pretty unlikely that anyone with the Leafs is going to risk antagonizing their bosses to demand they spend more money on broadcasting games because the current intermission show doesn't match the world-class standards of the team that hasn't won a playoff series in 15 years.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 30, 2019, 07:29:23 PM
We deserve better. It's a world-class market, huge devoted fan-base. Perhaps Sportsnet sees the Leafs viewing audience as the NHL sees Canada: expected and taken for granted.

Romanuck last year and now this new gentleman for all the SN games excluding the somewhat bland and corporate Hughson for Saturdays. Competent, but I've been turning on Bowen and synchronizing. I just don't find myself doing that for Gord Miller or Chris Cuthbert on TSN. I don't need a homer or anything, just competence, style and a none-nasally/gravelly voice.

Bowen drives me up the wall. To each their own.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 30, 2019, 11:18:18 PM
TSN kicks Sportsnet's ass broadcasting Leafs games. Love Miller and Ferraro. Chris Cuthbert is also very good. Even the intermissions are much better with Duthie, O'Dog, Bobby Mc, Poulin.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 02, 2019, 04:50:01 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 02, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.
Like Bobby Mac
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on October 02, 2019, 06:28:52 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.

What's his % per point in comparison with all the other signings?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 02, 2019, 06:43:50 PM
McKenzie is staying with TSN for 6 more seasons.

I thought he'd made noise about retirement.

Anyways, he's another guy who I find way, way more interesting when not in "insider" mode.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2019, 09:43:57 PM

I heard this during the game and it was just a bad, bad way to fill the air, man.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 02, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
Yep. I was going to comment on that in the GDT. What an idiot.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2019, 10:00:10 PM
It should be a career limiting move there, but *gestures to Grapes* the precedent is... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 02, 2019, 10:08:56 PM
It should be a career limiting move there, but *gestures to Grapes* the precedent is... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I would hope your standards in Canada are higher than where ours have fallen to.  And, 3 years late, I make a generalized apology to all of you for our Electoral College.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 03, 2019, 12:34:40 AM

Not that I think what Hughson said was smart, it wasn't, but I'm seeing people on Twitter suggesting he was referring to Kane and the sexual assault accusation. He pretty clearly says 2012 which is about Kane being filmed acting like a drunken idiot. The sexual assault stuff was years later.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 03, 2019, 09:17:32 AM
I thought it was clear what he was referring to. But that's part of why it was idiotic: knowing that there were later accusations that people might -- unsurprisingly -- think he was referring to.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 03, 2019, 10:38:33 PM
I thought it was clear what he was referring to. But that's part of why it was idiotic: knowing that there were later accusations that people might -- unsurprisingly -- think he was referring to.

We should blame Kane for having two indiscretions.  We should also blame the NHL for having multiple Kanes.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 03, 2019, 11:05:25 PM
I don't understand what you're saying. We should blame P.Kane's two issues for Hughson's dumb remarks?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 05, 2019, 09:47:25 AM
I don't understand what you're saying. We should blame P.Kane's two issues for Hughson's dumb remarks?

It was a joke.  Sorry, bad joke.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 09:19:03 AM
Unbelievable article in the Athletic this morning about one time Leaf Don Edwards family and their horror over their parents murder 30 years ago.  Worth a read.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 10:49:17 AM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 11:00:28 AM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
I heard about that after this NBA backlash but I didn't see the article
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 12:11:14 PM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
I heard about that after this NBA backlash but I didn't see the article

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/des8nt/the_athletic_didnt_post_on_the_china_story_all/
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2019, 02:35:55 PM

Hmmm. It's almost as if running what should be a journalistic enterprise as a tech start-up means the bosses will ultimately side with potential sources of new capital over ethical standards. If only someone had seen it coming.

But who? Who could possibly have been wise, and handsome, enough to call this?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 03:28:55 PM
Did you see the one in The Athletic where someone posted this really weird pro-China piece and then they started blocking comments about Hong Kong and banning members over it before closing off the comments?
I heard about that after this NBA backlash but I didn't see the article

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/des8nt/the_athletic_didnt_post_on_the_china_story_all/

Eh, I read the article today, it wasn't the Athletic posting a pro-China stance, they were reporting on comments made by Nets owner Joseph Tsai, Taiwanese born who made the comments that Hong Kong is part of China.  They've followed up on the story today, including why comments were disabled on the article with commentators attacking each other with vitriol on topics unrelated to the article in general.

Also, with respect to money they said today:

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Good question. As I messaged to our staff yesterday, we do not have active business operations in China nor do we have any commercial or financial relationships with the NBA or any party that would preclude us from covering this story objectively.

You can also view the full investor list with a quick Google search. As far as I am aware, with only a couple of exceptions (BDMI is backed by a German media company and Amasia is co-headquartered in the US & Singapore), our investors are US-based firms with portfolios in principally US-based companies. Most importantly, our investors have zero influence on the journalism our newsroom does.

And their statement today as well:
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2019, 03:45:24 PM

It's passing on pro-regime viewpoints uncritically and unsourced. You can't just put "people say..." in front of propaganda and get to claim it's "just reporting".

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 09, 2019, 05:03:39 PM

It's passing on pro-regime viewpoints uncritically and unsourced. You can't just put "people say..." in front of propaganda and get to claim it's "just reporting".


It was just a crappy article nothing more nefarious than that. I think people are making too much out of it.  The Athletic staff have already responded to criticism on it and will improve in the future when handling sensitive topics like this.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
China is super good at bullying corporations to toe their lines. ESPN is having the same fun time.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2019, 05:52:41 PM
Little know fact, TMLFans also has Chinese investors.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on October 09, 2019, 05:56:38 PM
Yeah I donated money  8)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on October 09, 2019, 08:26:42 PM

It's passing on pro-regime viewpoints uncritically and unsourced. You can't just put "people say..." in front of propaganda and get to claim it's "just reporting".


It was just a crappy article nothing more nefarious than that. I think people are making too much out of it.  The Athletic staff have already responded to criticism on it and will improve in the future when handling sensitive topics like this.

If this were the first instance of them having a pretty large ethical blindspot at the intermingling of ethics and money interests I might buy that but it's not.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Highlander on October 15, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
Cox said some positive things today about the Leaf's moving Sandin for more seasoning.  Stop the world, I want to get off.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Michael on December 06, 2019, 12:47:43 PM
https://theathletic.com/1438259/2019/12/06/with-former-leafs-defenceman-carlo-colaiacovo-aboard-tsn-1050-sees-radio-ratings-gains-in-toronto/

This article updates on the ratings situation between FAN590 and TSN1050. I am surprised that The FAN still lead in both the morning and afternoon ratings. The article does not touch on it, but perhaps that is due to the fact that their signal is much better and reaches a much wider area. I listen to TSN1050 via streaming on the iHeart app on my drive home because the signal for the radio is garbage north of Toronto.

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Hobbes on December 11, 2019, 11:53:27 AM
In Ian Tullock's regular "Leafs Report Cards" review in The Athletic (paywall) (https://theathletic.com/1451119/2019/12/11/leafs-report-cards-frederik-andersen-and-john-tavares-put-on-a-show-in-4-1-victory-over-vancouver/) of last night's game he include this paragraph in the 1-star section:

Quote from: Ian Tulloch
Greg Millen — I never like calling out commentators — their job isn’t easy — but I think it’s time to admit that Millen isn’t very good at his role between the benches. When you compare the quality of analysts TSN is putting out there on a nightly basis, whether it’s Ray Ferraro, Mike Johnson or Jamie “Noodles” McLennan, it’s pretty obvious that Sportsnet is lagging behind in that department. The biggest hockey market in Canada deserves better analysis for these games.

I have to agree with him. I shudder any time that Sportsnet is the broadcaster and throw up a little if Millen is on the crew. There are very few people on SN's shows that I can tollerate: Friedman is about the only "content" guy I like, and both Amber and Marek are decent hosts, but I'm not really a fan of any of their play by play or colour commentators or most of their other intermission/pre-game/post-game staff (and that includes the HNIC folks). Most of them are incompetent or marginal-at-best communicators. I suppose Colby Armstrong has his moments, but everyone else...meh.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on December 11, 2019, 12:05:55 PM

I wonder to what extent Sportsnet's money troubles are impacting their ability to improve the on-air talent. Because like we went over re: Cherry, while good commentators definitely add to the experience, replacing Millen with someone better probably wouldn't drive ratings to any real degree.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on December 11, 2019, 12:10:40 PM
In Ian Tullock's regular "Leafs Report Cards" review in The Athletic (paywall) (https://theathletic.com/1451119/2019/12/11/leafs-report-cards-frederik-andersen-and-john-tavares-put-on-a-show-in-4-1-victory-over-vancouver/) of last night's game he include this paragraph in the 1-star section:

Quote from: Ian Tulloch
Greg Millen — I never like calling out commentators — their job isn’t easy — but I think it’s time to admit that Millen isn’t very good at his role between the benches. When you compare the quality of analysts TSN is putting out there on a nightly basis, whether it’s Ray Ferraro, Mike Johnson or Jamie “Noodles” McLennan, it’s pretty obvious that Sportsnet is lagging behind in that department. The biggest hockey market in Canada deserves better analysis for these games.

I have to agree with him. I shudder any time that Sportsnet is the broadcaster and throw up a little if Millen is on the crew. There are very few people on SN's shows that I can tollerate: Friedman is about the only "content" guy I like, and both Amber and Marek are decent hosts, but I'm not really a fan of any of their play by play or colour commentators or most of their other intermission/pre-game/post-game staff (and that includes the HNIC folks). Most of them are incompetent or marginal-at-best communicators. I suppose Colby Armstrong has his moments, but everyone else...meh.

You wouldn't have any problems if you just watched the spreadsheets.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Hobbes on December 11, 2019, 12:24:30 PM

I wonder to what extent Sportsnet's money troubles are impacting their ability to improve the on-air talent. Because like we went over re: Cherry, while good commentators definitely add to the experience, replacing Millen with someone better probably wouldn't drive ratings to any real degree.
Hard to say. They have a captive audience and the ratings are probably 99.9% driven by it being a Leafs game...they'll draw pretty much the same audience no matter what. I'm sure that impacts their willingness to invest in any talent upgrades.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Hobbes on August 11, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
Bob McKenzie announced his "soft retirement" where he will step back from the day-to-day hockey world and now only contribute once in a while on special occasions (World Juniors, Trade Deadline Day, etc). The end of an era...I may not always have agreed with him but I've always respected his dedication to the craft. Certainly one of the very best of his generation.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on August 11, 2020, 05:18:38 PM
Bobby Mac is the best.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 11, 2020, 07:38:57 PM

I like the guy and think he's a hard worker and good prospect evaluator but I think the "Hockey Insider" thing is probably the worst thing to happen to hockey coverage in the last 30 years.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on August 12, 2020, 06:16:56 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 13, 2020, 09:12:53 AM

Nothing like being quiet when the bs was actually going on and then running in at the end and yelling "I told you so".....

Steve Simmons didn't ask a question. He reported something he wasn't supposed to and then when he was called on it, he threw a temper tantrum.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2020, 09:23:59 AM
To be clear, Ken Campbell's tweet seems to be in reference to Dubas giving a one word response to this question from Simmons yesterday: "You referenced numerous times that the team didn’t meet its potential. Is it possible that you and Brendan and the staff have misread the potential of this group?"
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on August 13, 2020, 10:03:27 AM

I finally dropped my sub to THN after they got rid of essentially everyone except this clown.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 13, 2020, 10:06:34 AM

I finally dropped my sub to THN after they got rid of essentially everyone except this clown.

You're missing out on great takes like... if a player shot 25% he'd be a superstar!

Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Frank E on August 13, 2020, 10:44:23 AM
To be clear, Ken Campbell's tweet seems to be in reference to Dubas giving a one word response to this question from Simmons yesterday: "You referenced numerous times that the team didn’t meet its potential. Is it possible that you and Brendan and the staff have misread the potential of this group?"

I don't have an issue with the question at all.  I also don't have a problem with the answer.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on August 13, 2020, 11:03:35 AM
To be clear, Ken Campbell's tweet seems to be in reference to Dubas giving a one word response to this question from Simmons yesterday: "You referenced numerous times that the team didn’t meet its potential. Is it possible that you and Brendan and the staff have misread the potential of this group?"

I don't have an issue with the question at all.  I also don't have a problem with the answer.

I actually think the question only left Dubas with one option. That was to answer with a resounding "No". How else does he answer that?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on August 13, 2020, 03:44:47 PM

My hunch is that that wasn't in reference just to that question but a general antipathy from the Leafs towards Simmons which, you know, just breaks my heart.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zee on October 05, 2020, 06:54:35 PM

Simmons article asking if Leafs are a playoff team:

https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/simmons-are-the-maple-leafs-even-a-playoff-team/wcm/4b2d0ea9-adab-4c9e-a62f-c3589294d636/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yes it's childish but I can't stop laughing at this reply

?s=21
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 05, 2020, 07:48:02 PM

Simmons article asking if Leafs are a playoff team:

https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/simmons-are-the-maple-leafs-even-a-playoff-team/wcm/4b2d0ea9-adab-4c9e-a62f-c3589294d636/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yes it's childish but I can't stop laughing at this reply

?s=21
Not one vote for Dubas. What a shock that was in there. Funny thing, there's no guarantee any team makes the playoffs next year, even TBay and Boston. He's such a tool.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on February 04, 2021, 05:59:31 PM

TSN firing a lot of people, just like Sportsnet did in 2019.

Something tells me the NHL broadcasts aren't paying out like they hoped.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 04, 2021, 09:49:21 PM

TSN firing a lot of people, just like Sportsnet did in 2019.

Something tells me the NHL broadcasts aren't paying out like they hoped.

#BellLetsTalk  ::)
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 05, 2021, 11:38:27 AM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Nik on February 05, 2021, 11:50:58 AM

Pretty astounding that Bell took money for the government employment assistance program, posted big profits they paid out to shareholders and are still firing people.

Between stuff like that and just the general way Canadians get screwed over for internet/phone service I'm genuinely astonished they're not the subject of more ire.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 06, 2021, 03:22:01 PM

Pretty astounding that Bell took money for the government employment assistance program, posted big profits they paid out to shareholders and are still firing people.

Between stuff like that and just the general way Canadians get screwed over for internet/phone service I'm genuinely astonished they're not the subject of more ire.

Not to mention it being a week after their ?advocacy? for mental health awareness. More like self-serving hokeyness.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on February 06, 2021, 05:51:35 PM

Pretty astounding that Bell took money for the government employment assistance program, posted big profits they paid out to shareholders and are still firing people.

Between stuff like that and just the general way Canadians get screwed over for internet/phone service I'm genuinely astonished they're not the subject of more ire.

Not to mention it being a week after their ?advocacy? for mental health awareness. More like self-serving hokeyness.

It's feel good bull#$#%, in all honesty. If the company doesn't back up this kind of stuff with at least a facade of ethical behaviour then what's the point?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: lamajama on February 06, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Isn't it ironic that Dan O'Toole is the one turfed and this is after his twitter or instagram (can't remember which one) meltdown
which clearly showed he is working thru some things...but hey Bell.....
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on February 06, 2021, 07:55:35 PM
Isn't it ironic that Dan O'Toole is the one turfed and this is after his twitter or instagram (can't remember which one) meltdown
which clearly showed he is working thru some things...but hey Bell.....
He wasn't the only one turfed.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 06, 2021, 08:01:07 PM
Isn't it ironic that Dan O'Toole is the one turfed and this is after his twitter or instagram (can't remember which one) meltdown
which clearly showed he is working thru some things...but hey Bell.....
He wasn't the only one turfed.
They got rid of Natasha Staniszewski too..boo
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 06, 2021, 08:09:57 PM
Brent Wallace and Kristian Jack too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 06, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
Wallace was a surprise.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on February 08, 2021, 11:37:36 AM
Wallace was a surprise.

I wonder if Eugene Melnyk is taking credit for it.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on February 08, 2021, 02:19:36 PM
Everyone, please, voice your displeasure with Bell with your wallets. If you use them, switch providers. It's one of the best things we can do to show our displeasure as citizens and customers. Vote with your wallet.
 
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Bender on February 08, 2021, 02:32:44 PM
Everyone, please, voice your displeasure with Bell with your wallets. If you use them, switch providers. It's one of the best things we can do to show our displeasure as citizens and customers. Vote with your wallet.

Bell/Rogers basically have a duopoly... *shrug*
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2021, 03:02:02 PM
Everyone, please, voice your displeasure with Bell with your wallets. If you use them, switch providers. It's one of the best things we can do to show our displeasure as citizens and customers. Vote with your wallet.

Bell/Rogers basically have a duopoly... *shrug*

Telus has a significant marketshare, too. It's a Triopoly.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 12:31:40 PM

They basically had the plug pulled mid-broadcast.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 12:35:21 PM
TSN 1290 in Winnipeg too.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
So it's really becoming the Toronto Sports Network, eh?
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2021, 01:09:41 PM
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 09, 2021, 10:51:43 PM
Did Bell Media also fire their HR department or did they walk out? This is ill-conceived at its most charitable interpretation.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 09, 2021, 11:16:59 PM
I don't follow any of this but out of curiosity just checked the tsn website and there's this:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Just 4 stations listed: EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 09, 2021, 11:54:32 PM
I don't follow any of this but out of curiosity just checked the tsn website and there's this:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Just 4 stations listed: EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210131013803/https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Here is a link to what it looked like on January 31st.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 10, 2021, 12:04:09 AM
I don't follow any of this but out of curiosity just checked the tsn website and there's this:

https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Just 4 stations listed: EDM, MTL, OTT, TOR.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210131013803/https://www.tsn.ca/radio

Here is a link to what it looked like on January 31st.

Interesting, thanks.  So looks like VAN, WPG, and Hamilton got the axe.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 08:33:59 AM
Interesting, thanks.  So looks like VAN, WPG, and Hamilton got the axe.

I can understand why, if cost cutting was a real issue, Hamilton might get the axe. It's close enough to Toronto and doesn't have much in terms of their own professional teams. But Vancouver and Winnipeg? They have the same number of pro sports as Edmonton, Montreal, and Ottawa, and aren't close to any of the remaining stations. I get that radio is not a particularly profitable medium, but, I can't imagine Bell/TSN couldn't afford to take a small hit on them.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: herman on February 10, 2021, 10:07:50 AM
https://theathletic.com/2378506/2021/02/09/bell-media-tsn-radio-cuts-vancouver-winnipeg-hamilton
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Each of those stations -- Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa -- hold local radio broadcast rights to their respective NHL teams. The stations in Winnipeg and Vancouver did not hold the local NHL rights.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 10, 2021, 10:09:53 AM
https://theathletic.com/2378506/2021/02/09/bell-media-tsn-radio-cuts-vancouver-winnipeg-hamilton
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Each of those stations -- Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa -- hold local radio broadcast rights to their respective NHL teams. The stations in Winnipeg and Vancouver did not hold the local NHL rights.

Ah, that explains it I guess. I was blown away Vancouver of all places would lose their station.
Title: Re: Media Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2021, 10:28:00 AM
Yeah. If they don't have the NHL rights, then they're definitely going to be more of a cash-suck.