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Title: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on June 15, 2019, 06:58:37 PM

Well, it's probably going to be one of the most eventful NBA off-seasons ever with a once in a generation looking top draft pick, some huge free agents and our World Champion Toronto Raptors faced with the task of either re-signing Kawhi or figuring something else out. Thought it'd be good to have a place to talk about it.

Because the first big shoe dropped. Anthony Davis, after asking for a trade and making it clear he would only re-sign with the Lakers, gets his wish. Going to New Orleans are Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, some other guy and 3 firsts including the #4 in the draft.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Bill_Berg on June 15, 2019, 07:06:44 PM
Three firsts!
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 15, 2019, 07:12:28 PM
The market for Marner has been set.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 16, 2019, 06:41:39 AM
The Lakers are now one of fhe favourites for the 2020 NBA crown, or at least among the challengers.

New Orleans has just gotten itself a great future, especially with the ipcoming #4 draft pick in Zion Williamson.
But then again  this is where it gets interesting. ..


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755098-report-anthony-davis-traded-to-lakers-for-lonzo-ball-brandon-ingram-more (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2755098-report-anthony-davis-traded-to-lakers-for-lonzo-ball-brandon-ingram-more)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on June 16, 2019, 11:43:27 AM
Just to be clear, Zion Williamson has nothing to do with the #4 pick as he'll be taken with the #1 pick that the Pelicans also have.

For newcomers, the upcoming NBA draft is generally seen to have a clear cut top 3 with Williamson, Ja Morant and local kid RJ Barrett generally assumed to be going in that order. After that, the #4 pick is a bit of a crap shoot.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 21, 2019, 11:06:11 PM
Canada made NBA Draft history with six players drafted. 
Last country to own the record was France with five.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/record-six-canadians-selected-2019-nba-draft/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/record-six-canadians-selected-2019-nba-draft/)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 21, 2019, 11:15:15 PM
Toronto Raptors choose #59 (Second Round)...C Dewan Hernandez.


More about him here:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/person-interest-raptors-no-59-pick-dewan-hernandez/
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 22, 2019, 06:20:34 AM
Introducing Sagaba Konate as signed by the Raptors:

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1786887 (https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1786887)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 22, 2019, 07:50:30 PM
I signed the petition to persuade Kawhi to stay.


Kawhi I want you to stay because...
...I appreciate your perseverance, leadership, and fortitude this season as a Toronto Raptor.  You wore your heart on your sleeve and being an NBA champion made it complete.

As a Torontonian, I say thank you for bringing so much joy to our city.

As a Canadian, I say welcome to Canada again and again and again.

I hope you stay and I wish you many more fruitful years, in making Toronto the centre of the basketball universe.

Good luck!

Lora.

See here:
http://kawhiushouldstay.com/ (http://kawhiushouldstay.com/)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on June 24, 2019, 11:27:08 PM

Giannis wins the MVP, Siakim is MIP, Sweet Lou Williams is 6Man, Gobert is DPOY, Doncic is ROY, Budenholzer is Coach of the Year.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 25, 2019, 02:29:03 AM
Congratulations, champion!

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 25, 2019, 07:11:16 AM
Kawhi declines option and will go the free agency route.  According to sources...



https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/report-raptors-favourites-re-sign-kawhi-leonard/
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 25, 2019, 07:21:08 AM
Teams of interest:  who can sign, offer, and entice Leonard:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2837931-board-man-gets-paid-landing-spots-for-free-agent-and-champion-kawhi-leonard#slide1
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on June 26, 2019, 05:37:18 PM

Marc Gasol decided to exercise his option so he's coming back next year. This is really good news for the Raps regardless of what Kawhi does.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 28, 2019, 07:13:30 AM
He stay, right?  Kawhi the Blue Jay fan:

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 28, 2019, 07:33:47 AM
Kawhi gets set for meetings:


Uh, oh.

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The Athletics Sam Amick claims that while there are many scenarios surrounding the potential future destination for Leonard, the one strong possibility high up on the list is the forward landing in Los Angeles with the Clippers alongside fellow free agent Jimmy Butler. The NBA expert claims that the two-time defensive player of the year is keen to have the Philadelphia 76ers shooting guard/small forward as his running mate next season.


https://www.ibtimes.com/raptors-get-final-meeting-slot-kawhi-forward-wants-butler-pairing-2803587
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 28, 2019, 07:48:04 AM
Around the league:

The Klay Thompson saga...



Kevin Durant & co.:


Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 29, 2019, 05:42:44 AM
The Kawhi saga...

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 29, 2019, 05:47:25 AM
And...

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There has been speculation that Leonard might be the outlier in the rush to secure max deals this summer by signing a shorter-term contract with the Toronto Raptors, thereby giving him a chance to chase another championship or two but still leave open a return in his prime to his hometown of Los Angeles.

...most executives expect him to sign a full five-year, $190 million deal if he decides to stay with Toronto. The latest indications are that the combination of winning a championship and a $50 million-plus difference in what he'd make has moved the Raptors past the Clippers as the favourites.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843055-nba-sources-steph-the-kd-x-factor-tobias-butler-may-bolt-kawhi-wants-to-stay
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on June 30, 2019, 05:27:19 PM

Huge Day for the Brooklyn Nets. They're going to sign Kyrie Irving, Kevin Durant and DeAndre Jordan.

Now, they still probably won't have all three on the same court until November, 2020 but it's still a big deal.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 30, 2019, 07:06:57 PM
Khris Middleton staying put:


Ex-Raptor Jonas Valenciunas  re-signs with Grizzlies.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 30, 2019, 07:09:25 PM
Re:  Kevin Durant


Reports indicated that Durant felt misled by the Warriors organization concerning his re-injury.

...does Durant feel the Warriors misled him or pressured him in any way to return? The Bleacher Report story indicated that might be the case.

Bleacher Report recently noted that the Los Angeles Clippers and Philadelphia 76ers are wary of signing Durant because of his injury. It appears the New York Knicks and Brooklyn Nets are more than willing to sign Durant to a four-year, $164 million max deal.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-tns-bc-bkn-wilkins-durant-sportsplus-20190626-story.html

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 30, 2019, 07:46:18 PM
The Durant part confirmed, but the Kawhi part...(*hand-wringing*)

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 01, 2019, 05:18:45 PM
Raptors sign Valencias Matt Thomas, shooting guard from the Euro league:


More here:
https://ca.nba.com/news/who-is-matt-thomas-fast-facts-on-the-toronto-raptors-latest-signing/fe6ejj9xlgs41n2cvgmem3mi6 (https://ca.nba.com/news/who-is-matt-thomas-fast-facts-on-the-toronto-raptors-latest-signing/fe6ejj9xlgs41n2cvgmem3mi6)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 04, 2019, 11:51:54 PM
So Durant snubbed both Warriors and Curry?  Read on.

https://clutchpoints.com/warriors-rumors-golden-state-upset-kevin-durant-making-free-agency-decision-while-stephen-curry-was-on-flight-to-meet-him/
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 05, 2019, 12:00:55 AM
Wednesday July 3rd.  Remember the day.  #KawhiWarch



(*chuckle*) 😁


https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2019/07/04/never-stalk-your-crush-with-helicopter-surveillance-what-the-us-media-said-about-us-after-kawhi-leonard-landed-in-toronto.html
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Michael on July 05, 2019, 08:00:15 AM
Cris Carter of Fox Sports1 has been right all along about Kawhi news. He says that an announcement is coming today.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 05, 2019, 09:22:59 AM
Cris Carter of Fox Sports1 has been right all along about Kawhi news. He says that an announcement is coming today.

What Kawhi news has there even been to be right about?
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: L K on July 05, 2019, 09:36:37 AM
Cris Carter of Fox Sports1 has been right all along about Kawhi news. He says that an announcement is coming today.

What Kawhi news has there even been to be right about?

He's signing with the Lakers...I mean the Clippers....I mean the Raptors....I mean the Lakers....I mean the Lakers are obviously the right choice because he grew up a Lakers fan.

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According to Raptors announcer Eric Smith, Leonard said that while members of his family were Los Angeles Lakers fans, he leaned in a different direction: "I liked Allen Iverson. I was an A.I. fan. I didn't like the Lakers."

The media have been spewing garbage non-stop on Kawhi and it's really silly how desperate they are to insist that he leaves Canada.  If he goes to LA he does it for his reasons but man is it a joke how absurd the media gets over this.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Bender on July 05, 2019, 09:50:15 AM
Cris Carter of Fox Sports1 has been right all along about Kawhi news. He says that an announcement is coming today.

What Kawhi news has there even been to be right about?

He's signing with the Lakers...I mean the Clippers....I mean the Raptors....I mean the Lakers....I mean the Lakers are obviously the right choice because he grew up a Lakers fan.

Quote
According to Raptors announcer Eric Smith, Leonard said that while members of his family were Los Angeles Lakers fans, he leaned in a different direction: "I liked Allen Iverson. I was an A.I. fan. I didn't like the Lakers."

The media have been spewing garbage non-stop on Kawhi and it's really silly how desperate they are to insist that he leaves Canada.  If he goes to LA he does it for his reasons but man is it a joke how absurd the media gets over this.

Any media with some sort of vested interest in Kawhi is desperate and insane about this whole thing. I mean, we followed him in a helicopter!!
Title: Kawhi Leonard to sign with LA Clippers
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 02:35:37 AM

Well, shoot.

Kawhi to the Clippers, who also get Paul George via trade.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 02:38:18 AM
...and Danny Green reportedly to the Lakers:

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 02:49:56 AM
Bye, bye Kawhi...




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Leonard was determined to get a second star with him to the Clippers, and Jerry West managed to do so by trading for Paul George late Friday evening PST. To land George, Los Angeles gave the Oklahoma City Thunder four future unprotected first-round picks, two pick swaps, Danilo Gallinari, and Shai Gilgeous Alexander.



https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-news-kawhi-leonard-agrees-to-sign-with-los-angeles/ (https://clutchpoints.com/clippers-news-kawhi-leonard-agrees-to-sign-with-los-angeles/)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 05:37:57 AM
From all of us...

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Bill_Berg on July 06, 2019, 08:08:40 AM
Sad day, but thanks for all the fish!
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Zee on July 06, 2019, 08:25:49 AM
Good thing I'm not a basketball fan or I'd be devastated today. Still, would have been great for Toronto if he stayed, made such an impact and even non basketball guys like me were into it. NBA is such a cutthroat league.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: cabber24 on July 06, 2019, 08:40:41 AM
This super team approach to basketball sucks. I am glad the Raptors won without using this approach. The Raptors could not of possibly done more to keep him. It feels like the Raptors hot girlfriend just dumped them for some douchebag with a nice car.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 08:43:57 AM

While it would have been great to get Kawhi back, realistically all this does is fast track a rebuild that was coming anyway. 

For now though Lowry, Van Vleet, Siakam, Anunoby, Ibaka and Gasol are still the core of a team that should make the playoffs next year and will have a ton of cap space next off-season.

And, you know, they won a championship. I'm not devastated. Everything after a title is gravy.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 09:34:15 AM

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.

I'm less happy about that but I suppose it's the same thing in the end.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Dappleganger on July 06, 2019, 09:48:02 AM

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.

I'm less happy about that but I suppose it's the same thing in the end.

What are you seeing? Or where? Id be surprised Paul agreeing to come to the Raps or the Raptors even coming up with a compensation package that was remotely as good as the Clips gave OKC. I dont know how they would have fit Paul under the caps as well.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Deebo on July 06, 2019, 09:53:30 AM

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.

I'm less happy about that but I suppose it's the same thing in the end.

Looks like we just didn't have what OKC would have wanted to make the deal:


Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: princedpw on July 06, 2019, 09:54:21 AM

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.


This seems impossible... It seems like a binary choice:  Get Kawhi and compete for another title or don't.

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 09:54:50 AM

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.

I'm less happy about that but I suppose it's the same thing in the end.

What are you seeing? Or where? Id be surprised Paul agreeing to come to the Raps or the Raptors even coming up with a compensation package that was remotely as good as the Clips gave OKC. I dont know how they would have fit Paul under the caps as well.

There's a Woj article on ESPN that was talking about it but it's been edited since it's publication. Originally it said Ujiri "balked" at the Thunder's price. Now it's saying Toronto didn't have the willingness to throw in as many picks as the Clippers and they weren't sure Leonard would return anyway.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: L K on July 06, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
Ultimately it was a 1-year gamble that paid off in the biggest way but I have to say Im pretty broken down.   Its yet another in an increasingly long line of no one wants to play in Toronto players.  I dont fault Kawhi for waving as he always wanted to play in LA but you had to figure that if any scenario was going to sway a player the organization bending over backwards for him and winning s championship was going to be the time. 

Great we have cap space next year for an awful free agent crop where arguably our most high profile UFA signing is Hedo Turkoglu.  Hard to be optimistic about this team contending again in the next few years.

Hopefully Siakam can continue to grow and OG can develop into something decent.   
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: princedpw on July 06, 2019, 11:33:57 AM
Go leafs ...
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Guilt Trip on July 06, 2019, 11:41:02 AM
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 11:57:18 AM
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

Exactly. And I really am looking forward to seeing how Ujiri builds the team back up.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: L K on July 06, 2019, 12:00:15 PM
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

Exactly. And I really am looking forward to seeing how Ujiri builds the team back up.

They have youngish players, do you trade Lowry and Gasol at the deadline this year?
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 12:05:08 PM
They have youngish players, do you trade Lowry and Gasol at the deadline this year?

I think it depends on how they're doing. If Siakam takes a step forward and maybe VanVleet decides he's the real deal and they're looking at a 48 or 52 win season? Eh, take a shot at the playoffs.

If not, maybe. See what's out there. Maybe go into the draft with a fistful of picks or use it to trade for whoever next year's disgruntled star is.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 12:40:04 PM
Looks like we just didn't have what OKC would have wanted to make the deal:

I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of it because I'm pretty chill either way but I think it's at the very least a little suspicious that Woj's first draft of the article painted things one way, some people online start killing Ujiri for not making the deal, and then there's an edited version of the article that paints things a very different way.

Especially considering Woj has been criticised in the past for being far too friendly to team execs so as to maintain his sources.

Because, see, I buy the "Leonard wanted to go to the Clippers anyway and the Raps trading for George wouldn't have changed things" but I don't buy the "The Raptors couldn't possibly match the SGA/Galinari and picks package" idea. Siakam is better than the player combo the Clips contributed.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 06, 2019, 01:41:10 PM
Huge viral video opportunity to make a parody of the cringey Islanders fan Tavares video but actually thanking Kawhi for his time here and wishing him well in LA.

What's the Kawhi equivalent of "pajama boy"?
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: lamajama on July 06, 2019, 02:13:13 PM
Not really even a casual fan of the NBA but being a sports fan and cheering for the Raps anyway, I am pretty disappointed
Kawhi left but the Raps did everything right.

It does just reinforce my basic disinterest when the players can decide to create super teams that alter the balance of "power"..

It makes it hard to cheer for a team when all of a sudden they are passed by through no "fault" of their own...

When only 5 players are essentially relied upon it's much easier to alter the results.


Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 03:00:44 PM

I don't really think you could call the Clippers a super team now. They've got two star players and a bunch of other good pieces but that's not really different than any good, contending team throughout basketball history.

There's going to be incredible balance in the NBA next year. The Lakers, Clippers, Rockets, Nuggets, Blazers, Warriors, Sixers, Nets, Jazz, Celtics...all of these teams are going to be based around two all-stars and then other good players. Even the Raps won't be crazy far behind if Siakam can continue to improve and be supported by Lowry/Gasol.

Throw in exciting young teams like the Hawks and Mavericks, getting to see Zion play on a team full of good prospects...Basketball is going to be phenomenal next year.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Deebo on July 06, 2019, 03:23:31 PM
Looks like we just didn't have what OKC would have wanted to make the deal:

I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of it because I'm pretty chill either way but I think it's at the very least a little suspicious that Woj's first draft of the article painted things one way, some people online start killing Ujiri for not making the deal, and then there's an edited version of the article that paints things a very different way.

Especially considering Woj has been criticised in the past for being far too friendly to team execs so as to maintain his sources.

Because, see, I buy the "Leonard wanted to go to the Clippers anyway and the Raps trading for George wouldn't have changed things" but I don't buy the "The Raptors couldn't possibly match the SGA/Galinari and picks package" idea. Siakam is better than the player combo the Clips contributed.

Yeah, I think the original "Masai balked" was probably more accurate now that I've seen the reports that there wasn't any assurances from Leonard that making deal would have resulted in him re-signing.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 03:30:26 PM

Some other chips falling. The Lakers are rounding out their roster with guys like Boogie Cousins and Rajon Rondo. The Raps signed Stanley Johnson. Russell Westbrook may be the next guy to get dealt.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 06, 2019, 03:31:56 PM
Apparently Russel Westbrook was also talked about in a trade to the Raptors.  This has not gone over well with Russel Westbrook and he may be the next to leave OKC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4y1VxvdXk
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/07/06/reports-westbrook-thunder-discussing-future
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 06, 2019, 04:46:20 PM

A comparison people may want to consider is that this is a little like if the 06-07 Leafs had traded for Chara, won a Cup and then Chara signed with Boston anyway.

Would it have sucked to see him go? Yes. Could the Leafs have potentially challenged for a cup the next year if he re-signed? Sure.

But realistically that team needed to be rebuilt no matter what. Because that team was the tail end of the Quinn years and nearing the end of their run.

The same is broadly true here. I get that the people who aren't big Raptors fans might see this as a team at the beginning of something but it's really more like a culmination of the later Colangelo years and the work Ujiri did to build on them. Luckily though, this did culminate in a Title. Now the inevitable rebuilding is starting. A little sooner than we hoped? Sure. But we knew the risks going in.

Now we get to watch a still entertaining Raptors team, see Lowry set the franchise assists record, see some young guys step up...life could be a lot worse as a Raptors fan. And if you weren't a big Raps fan prior to this run, it was nice having people on the bandwagon but you guys would be gone pretty soon no matter what.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 05:38:34 PM
Raptors signing:


Hes been described as an excellent wing defender.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 05:56:52 PM

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.

I'm less happy about that but I suppose it's the same thing in the end.

What are you seeing? Or where? Id be surprised Paul agreeing to come to the Raps or the Raptors even coming up with a compensation package that was remotely as good as the Clips gave OKC. I dont know how they would have fit Paul under the caps as well.


This might have been the scenario that didnt materialize.  Gladly.

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Would it have been worth it to offer, say, Siakam, Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Norman Powell, draft picks in 2020, 22 and 24 as well as pick swaps in 2021 and 23 for George and Westbrook? That is an awfully steep price for a team that would have precious little depth remaining.


https://theathletic.com/1065113/2019/07/06/masai-ujiri-had-no-miracle-move-to-retain-kawhi-leonard-now-he-will-need-to-maintain-patience/?article_source=related
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 06:25:36 PM
The Raptors going forward and their subsequent success will depend largely on the shoulders of Masais decision-making.  What will he do with Lowry, Ibaka, & Gasol (all on expiring contracts)?  This puts them over the cap, and Ujiri will most certainly want to explore to see what the return could be.

VanVleet is most likely to get the starters role (first unit), while OG Anunoby returns to form.  Siakam will continue to rise.

This upcoming season (2019-2020) will most likely be a transition period where the Raptors explore potentials for both the short & long term.

Torontos front office obviously has had a Plan B in place for the just-in-case-Leonard-doesnt-return situation.  As patient as Ujiri and Bobby Webster have been in charting the course for this team enroute to a championship, so they will need to be to ensure a good solid foundation will continue bringing success to the franchise.

I can hardly wait.

For now, the Raptors still look good:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/7/6/20684162/kawhi-leonard-free-agency-raptors-future-itll-be-ok
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 06:32:07 PM
Im optimistic.  (My response):

Question & Answers:  Discussion-Response

Re:  Raptors Summer League

You
From LD:

Would be interesting to see Chris Boucher improve in the Summer League. Hes fast, can shoot, but needs improvement as is mentioned.

Dewan Hernandez should be a standout in the Raptors 905 G League.

Sounds good, already. Tip-off!

Blake Murphy
@Lora D. Wait are you LD or is there another LD? If the former, I appreciate the sourcing yourself tact haha. But yes, let's tip off already.



https://theathletic.com/1050709/
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 06, 2019, 07:05:55 PM
A nod from Green:

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Peter D. on July 06, 2019, 10:23:16 PM
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

For me it'd be, "Thanks, and screw you."

Thanks for the championship Kawhi.  I won't boo you.  But I sure as heck ain't cheering for you.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Guilt Trip on July 06, 2019, 10:46:38 PM
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

For me it'd be, "Thanks, and screw you."

Thanks for the championship Kawhi.  I won't boo you.  But I sure as heck ain't cheering for you.
Only against the Lakers!
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 07, 2019, 07:47:05 AM

Since he's no longer a Raptor I'm not invested in Kawhi's on-court success anymore but I think to come away from his time here with "screw you" is pretty hard to justify.

The Raptors, and their fans, knew when trading for him that he wanted to go back to LA. We knew that the team was probably sacrificing a couple of years of being a very good team built around the Lowry/DeRozan combo in exchange for one year of a real shot at the title. All of us went into this with our eyes open.

So, realistically, what could Kawhi have done differently in his one year here to earn some respect? Play hard? He did. Win a title? He did. Be honest about his intentions? He was. Give the team fair consideration in the off-season? By all accounts he did.

I don't think there's a Raptors fan alive who wouldn't have agreed to a deal where the Lowry/DeRozan years would end in a title but then immediately kick into a rebuild. That happened. Kawhi was a huge part of that. Again, nobody has to cheer him on but I'd put pretty big money on him getting an ovation when the Clippers come to town.

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 07, 2019, 08:10:18 AM
A tribute.  Relive history.

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 07, 2019, 08:18:05 AM
Theres probably another title Kawhi can be given...GM of the Year. (*chuckle*)

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Leonard has just revealed himself as the cleverest operator in sport. He wanted a team built to his precise specifications, and he just got one. That makes him more powerful than any general manager and most team owners

This leaves Toronto bereft, the crosstown Lakers looking stupid and a lot of U.S. media pundits looking to leave the country for a while in hopes people will forget how wrong they got this.

Poor Lebron.  😲   


https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/article-kawhi-shows-hes-cunning-a-dynasty-builder-who-wants-to-create-a/
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 07, 2019, 08:35:20 AM
What a difference a turnaround makes...

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 07, 2019, 08:39:40 AM
The way things unfolded:

Before sending Paul George to the Los Angeles Clippers in a shocking deal, the Oklahoma City Thunder reportedly held talks with the Toronto Raptors focused on George and Russell Westbrook.

According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, Thunder general manager Sam Presti offered George and Westbrook to Toronto for a package centered around forward Pascal Siakam, but the Raptors declined the offer.

Bruce Arthur of the Toronto Star reported the Thunder "asked for Pascal Siakam, Fred VanVleet, and four unprotected first-round picks as a starting point for Paul George. The Raptors believed they were being used as leverage, and believed Kawhi finally, truly wanted LA. And then he left."

Wojnarowski added that Presti attempted to pit the Clippers and Raptors against each other with the idea that whichever team acquired George would also win the Kawhi sweepstakes.

Story:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844408-woj-raptors-rejected-russell-westbrook-paul-george-for-pascal-siakam-trade (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844408-woj-raptors-rejected-russell-westbrook-paul-george-for-pascal-siakam-trade)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Highlander on July 07, 2019, 12:34:12 PM

Since he's no longer a Raptor I'm not invested in Kawhi's on-court success anymore but I think to come away from his time here with "screw you" is pretty hard to justify.

The Raptors, and their fans, knew when trading for him that he wanted to go back to LA. We knew that the team was probably sacrificing a couple of years of being a very good team built around the Lowry/DeRozan combo in exchange for one year of a real shot at the title. All of us went into this with our eyes open.

So, realistically, what could Kawhi have done differently in his one year here to earn some respect? Play hard? He did. Win a title? He did. Be honest about his intentions? He was. Give the team fair consideration in the off-season? By all accounts he did.

I don't think there's a Raptors fan alive who wouldn't have agreed to a deal where the Lowry/DeRozan years would end in a title but then immediately kick into a rebuild. That happened. Kawhi was a huge part of that. Again, nobody has to cheer him on but I'd put pretty big money on him getting an ovation when the Clippers come to town.
Well said Nik, approximates my feelings and I can understand wanting to go home.  But part of me wonders "wouldn't be better to be King of Canada, than a 2nd wheel in a localized market"?   Asked it when Bosch went to be 3rd wheel on Miami.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: OldTimeHockey on July 07, 2019, 01:11:22 PM

Since he's no longer a Raptor I'm not invested in Kawhi's on-court success anymore but I think to come away from his time here with "screw you" is pretty hard to justify.

The Raptors, and their fans, knew when trading for him that he wanted to go back to LA. We knew that the team was probably sacrificing a couple of years of being a very good team built around the Lowry/DeRozan combo in exchange for one year of a real shot at the title. All of us went into this with our eyes open.

So, realistically, what could Kawhi have done differently in his one year here to earn some respect? Play hard? He did. Win a title? He did. Be honest about his intentions? He was. Give the team fair consideration in the off-season? By all accounts he did.

I don't think there's a Raptors fan alive who wouldn't have agreed to a deal where the Lowry/DeRozan years would end in a title but then immediately kick into a rebuild. That happened. Kawhi was a huge part of that. Again, nobody has to cheer him on but I'd put pretty big money on him getting an ovation when the Clippers come to town.
Well said Nik, approximates my feelings and I can understand wanting to go home.  But part of me wonders "wouldn't be better to be King of Canada, than a 2nd wheel in a localized market"?   Asked it when Bosch went to be 3rd wheel on Miami.

Pretty sure Bosh was perfectly fine with being in Miami
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 07, 2019, 01:51:15 PM
Well said Nik, approximates my feelings and I can understand wanting to go home.  But part of me wonders "wouldn't be better to be King of Canada, than a 2nd wheel in a localized market"?   Asked it when Bosch went to be 3rd wheel on Miami.

Better for what? His ego? A need to be loved? If Kawhi was that kind of person, he'd never have been a Raptor in the first place.

And, beyond that, while the outpouring of love from Canadian fans was nice I'm sure, I don't think anyone should fool themselves into thinking that the Raptors wouldn't go back to being a 2nd Banana to every hockey team in the country no matter what Kawhi did.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: OldTimeHockey on July 07, 2019, 02:36:04 PM
Well said Nik, approximates my feelings and I can understand wanting to go home.  But part of me wonders "wouldn't be better to be King of Canada, than a 2nd wheel in a localized market"?   Asked it when Bosch went to be 3rd wheel on Miami.

Better for what? His ego? A need to be loved? If Kawhi was that kind of person, he'd never have been a Raptor in the first place.

And, beyond that, while the outpouring of love from Canadian fans was nice I'm sure, I don't think anyone should fool themselves into thinking that the Raptors wouldn't go back to being a 2nd Banana to every hockey team in the country no matter what Kawhi did.

Raptors will quickly be forgotten by most in Canada pretty quickly. Much like the Jays after those two "runs"
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Guilt Trip on July 07, 2019, 02:58:59 PM
Well said Nik, approximates my feelings and I can understand wanting to go home.  But part of me wonders "wouldn't be better to be King of Canada, than a 2nd wheel in a localized market"?   Asked it when Bosch went to be 3rd wheel on Miami.

Better for what? His ego? A need to be loved? If Kawhi was that kind of person, he'd never have been a Raptor in the first place.

And, beyond that, while the outpouring of love from Canadian fans was nice I'm sure, I don't think anyone should fool themselves into thinking that the Raptors wouldn't go back to being a 2nd Banana to every hockey team in the country no matter what Kawhi did.

Raptors will quickly be forgotten by most in Canada pretty quickly. Much like the Jays after those two "runs"
Agree. The wagon will be back to having just the regular die hards on it again.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 07, 2019, 03:12:49 PM

Yeah, I did sort of try to get at that when I was saying that it was Toronto's team and not Canada's. It was only ever "Canada's Team" when they were winning and the reality is that even if Kawhi came back then odds would be against them winning next year and odds would be virtually certain they wouldn't win the year after that. It was always going to be a short party. Kawhi wasn't going to be some sort of god-king when the Raps were going 48-34 and getting knocked out in the second round.

And as always Canada's relationship with Toronto will be, to quote Homer Simpson, that they'll take our money but they won't plow our driveway.



Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 07, 2019, 06:44:00 PM
I agree that there would have been no guarantee even with Kawhi back in a Raptors jersey of the team winning a second championship.

Perhaps Kawhi saw the writing on the wall, so to speak, and since he always had it in mind to return to play in his native California, it made it all the more easier to decide which team was better suited for him and for winning himself another potential championship ring.

The fact that Leonard wanted Paul George and that the Raptors could not satisfy that request or trade possibility, goes to show the cleverness and thought process that went into Kawhis own decision-making.

This Leonard guy isnt just a smart basketball player, but a wise businessman.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Peter D. on July 08, 2019, 08:59:24 AM

Since he's no longer a Raptor I'm not invested in Kawhi's on-court success anymore but I think to come away from his time here with "screw you" is pretty hard to justify.

The Raptors, and their fans, knew when trading for him that he wanted to go back to LA. We knew that the team was probably sacrificing a couple of years of being a very good team built around the Lowry/DeRozan combo in exchange for one year of a real shot at the title. All of us went into this with our eyes open.

So, realistically, what could Kawhi have done differently in his one year here to earn some respect? Play hard? He did. Win a title? He did. Be honest about his intentions? He was. Give the team fair consideration in the off-season? By all accounts he did.

I don't think there's a Raptors fan alive who wouldn't have agreed to a deal where the Lowry/DeRozan years would end in a title but then immediately kick into a rebuild. That happened. Kawhi was a huge part of that. Again, nobody has to cheer him on but I'd put pretty big money on him getting an ovation when the Clippers come to town.

I feel jilted whenever a star player leaves Toronto.  Mats...CuJo...Carter...Bosh...Halladay -- I said the same about all of them.  Let alone one who just won a championship and had the team do everything right for him.

That's why I have no problem with the way Islanders fans act towards Tavares (provided of course it doesn't cross the personal line). 
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Bender on July 08, 2019, 09:17:31 AM

Since he's no longer a Raptor I'm not invested in Kawhi's on-court success anymore but I think to come away from his time here with "screw you" is pretty hard to justify.

The Raptors, and their fans, knehttp://tmlfans.ca/community/Smileys/default/grin.gifw when trading for him that he wanted to go back to LA. We knew that the team was probably sacrificing a couple of years of being a very good team built around the Lowry/DeRozan combo in exchange for one year of a real shot at the title. All of us went into this with our eyes open.

So, realistically, what could Kawhi have done differently in his one year here to earn some respect? Play hard? He did. Win a title? He did. Be honest about his intentions? He was. Give the team fair consideration in the off-season? By all accounts he did.

I don't think there's a Raptors fan alive who wouldn't have agreed to a deal where the Lowry/DeRozan years would end in a title but then immediately kick into a rebuild. That happened. Kawhi was a huge part of that. Again, nobody has to cheer him on but I'd put pretty big money on him getting an ovation when the Clippers come to town.

I feel jilted whenever a star player leaves Toronto.  Mats...CuJo...Carter...Bosh...Halladay -- I said the same about all of them.  Let alone one who just won a championship and had the team do everything right for him.

That's why I have no problem with the way Islanders fans act towards Tavares (provided of course it doesn't cross the personal line).

You felt the same about Mats as you did about Cujo? Really? The circumstances couldn't have been more different.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 08, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
Raptors sign SF FA Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (former Brooklyn Nets).



https://www.sportsnet.ca/basketball/nba/persons-interest-new-raptors-hollis-jefferson-johnson/
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 09, 2019, 10:32:11 AM
(*sigh*)  Kawhi:

https://nationalpost.com/sports/scott-stinson-kawhi-leonard-mysterious-as-ever-left-toronto-in-the-most-confounding-of-ways
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 10, 2019, 01:39:16 AM
Nothing is finite anymore in todays NBA, not that it ever was anyway.  Still, this free agency season showed why just winning is no longer enough...

You dont mortgage the future by damaging the present.  That is exactly what Masai didnt do in this cloak & dagger Leonard saga.

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The Toronto Raptors did everything righteven winning a championshipand still lost Leonard.

The Golden State Warriors made three straight Finals with Durant, winning two titles...and lost him anyway.

The Boston Celtics surrounded Irving with veteran stars and bouncy young talent...and he coldly cut ties.

And the Oklahoma City Thunderwho were celebrating a new four-year contract with George last summerjust traded him at his request.

Those are four of the best organizations in the NBA, led by four of the league's best executives: Masai Ujiri in Toronto, Bob Myers in Oakland, Danny Ainge in Boston and Sam Presti in OKC. They all just lost their best players in the span of six days.

Welcome to the new NBA, where it isn't enough to be bold or smart. Where even championships and max contracts sometimes aren't enough to sate the modern player.

Story:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844770-it-doesnt-matter-even-best-nba-franchises-cant-compete-with-superstar-whims (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2844770-it-doesnt-matter-even-best-nba-franchises-cant-compete-with-superstar-whims)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: cabber24 on July 10, 2019, 01:40:54 PM
2 + 1 contract for Leonard.

https://www.tsn.ca/kawhi-leonard-s-deal-with-the-los-angeles-clippers-is-reportedly-a-103m-two-plus-one-max-1.1335549 (https://www.tsn.ca/kawhi-leonard-s-deal-with-the-los-angeles-clippers-is-reportedly-a-103m-two-plus-one-max-1.1335549)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 11, 2019, 04:25:06 AM
Ha! Ha!

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Highlander on July 11, 2019, 10:22:24 AM
Its a completely mercenary sport, hockey is becoming this way as well.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 11, 2019, 10:37:35 AM

"Professional" is the word you're looking for.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: L K on July 11, 2019, 11:11:41 AM
It's kind of funny having people upset at Kawhi leaving (and granted I would have much rather he re-signed if possible) when the Raptors dumped Derozan the year before.  Sports is a business.  It's also real people we are talking about and at the end of the day they have more than just the sport on their mind when making decisions. 

Money doesn't take emotion out of the players and we shouldn't expect them to be robots when it comes to where they work or how they perform based on a paycheck.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: cabber24 on July 11, 2019, 11:52:21 AM
It's kind of funny having people upset at Kawhi leaving (and granted I would have much rather he re-signed if possible) when the Raptors dumped Derozan the year before.  Sports is a business.  It's also real people we are talking about and at the end of the day they have more than just the sport on their mind when making decisions. 

Money doesn't take emotion out of the players and we shouldn't expect them to be robots when it comes to where they work or how they perform based on a paycheck.
He went home which no one can blame him for. I just wish he would say, "Thanks T.O." or something? Haven't heard boo from him.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Dappleganger on July 11, 2019, 12:01:13 PM
I'm bummed Kawhi left because I love the way he plays the game and I'm not going to be watching him play anymore.

The Raptors were the best choice if he wanted to win a Championship next year, but he left to go where he wanted to play, and he's still going to have a good chance at a championship next year. I can't fault him for this. It's his right, he earned it, in what is sometimes a very restrictive labour environment.
 
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 11, 2019, 01:51:03 PM
The Raptors were the best choice if he wanted to win a Championship next year, but he left to go where he wanted to play, and he's still going to have a good chance at a championship next year.

Even if it's true that the Raptors represented a better title shot next year, and I think that's very questionable, I think it's undeniable that with all of the expiring deals the Raptors have the Clippers represented a much better chance of winning two years from now.

If his plan was always to sign a two year deal with an option so that he could sign the big extension at his 10 year threshold then the Clippers probably represented the best choice from a competitive standpoint while still guaranteeing himself 100+ million.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Bates on July 11, 2019, 02:41:44 PM
The Raptors were the best choice if he wanted to win a Championship next year, but he left to go where he wanted to play, and he's still going to have a good chance at a championship next year.

Even if it's true that the Raptors represented a better title shot next year, and I think that's very questionable, I think it's undeniable that with all of the expiring deals the Raptors have the Clippers represented a much better chance of winning two years from now.

If his plan was always to sign a two year deal with an option so that he could sign the big extension at his 10 year threshold then the Clippers probably represented the best choice from a competitive standpoint while still guaranteeing himself 100+ million.

In 2 years the Raptors have much more money and space to add to the roster so I doubt the claim that the Clippers offer better opportunity going forward. 2 years could see Giannis in Toronto.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 11, 2019, 08:42:07 PM

Russ Westbrook to the Rockets for Chris Paul, 2 1sts and a couple of pick swaps.

In a way this trade makes sense for both teams and makes absolutely no sense for either team. How Harden and Westbrook are going to play together is beyond me.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: L K on July 12, 2019, 09:43:14 AM
All inclusive on Paul George, James Harden, Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook

Harden (+Daequan Cook, Cole Aldrich, Lazar Hayward) for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, 2 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick
Westbrook for Chris Paul, 2 1st round picks and 2 1st round pick swaps
George for Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari 5 1st round picks and 2 1st round pick swaps
Kevin Durant for nothing through free agency

OKC Trades - Paul George, James Harden, Russel Westbrook, Daequan Cook, Cole Aldrich and Lazar Hayward
OKC Received - Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, Chris Paul, Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb, 1st round pick (Steven Adams), 1st round pick (Mitch McGary), 2nd round pick (Alex Abrines), Miami 1st (2021 Unprotected), Clippers 1st (2022 Unprotected), Miami 1st (2023 Lottery Protected), Clippers 1st (2024 Unprotected), Houston 1st (2024 1-4 protected), Clippers 1st (2026 Unprotected), Houston 1st (2026 1-4 protected), Houston Pick Swap (2021, can swap their worst pick, 1-4 protected), Clippers Pick Swap (2023 Unprotected), Clippers Pick Swap (2025 Unprotected), Houston Pick Swap (2025 1-20 protected)

Pretty solid haul for 4 star players.  9 1st round picks and 4 pick swaps.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 12, 2019, 09:52:52 AM

Imagine drafting Durant, Westbrook and Harden back-to-back-to-back and not winning a title though.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Deebo on July 12, 2019, 09:54:45 AM
They did give up Oladipo and Sabonis to get George in the first place though.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 13, 2019, 08:04:12 PM
Long story short, it reads like a roll call.

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 23, 2019, 08:30:52 AM
How interesting the Kawhi behind-the-scenes saga:

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Per ESPN's Brian Windhorst on his Hoop Collective Podcast (h/t NBC Sports' Dan Feldman), the Los Angeles Lakers are upset because they feel like "they got played" by Leonard.

Windhorst noted the Toronto Raptors were also unhappy because Leonard "came in and asked for the sun, the moon, the stars then left them at the altar."

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2846249-windhorst-lakers-feel-they-got-played-in-kawhi-leonard-free-agency-pursuit (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2846249-windhorst-lakers-feel-they-got-played-in-kawhi-leonard-free-agency-pursuit)


It was also reported by The Athletic that even though Kawhi had his sites set on playing for the Clippers long before he was traded to the Raptors, being closer to home was not the #1 factor in his decision-making.  Winning a championship trumped the above.

Also, probably the fact that Kawhi had in mind all along of joining the Clippers after having won the Championship as a Toronto Raptor, he valued privacy and trust and in the morass of the media narrative & rumours, the Clippers stood quiet, working behind the scenes figuring out their next move.  The ultra-quietness and silence on Kawhis part was in sync with the Clippers organization during the FA and negotiations period.

https://theathletic.com/1086977/2019/07/23/inside-story-los-angeles-la-clippers-pursuit-of-kawhi-leonard-paul-george/ (https://theathletic.com/1086977/2019/07/23/inside-story-los-angeles-la-clippers-pursuit-of-kawhi-leonard-paul-george/)


One had to say this about Leonards advisor, his uncle Dennis Robertson:

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Robertson has a reputation for being hard to deal with and would have been hands on throughout the process. According to sources, Leonard and his camp namely Uncle Dennis asked for a lot from the Raptors in that meeting, things players dont generally ask for in standard contract negotiations.

In some cases, they were asking for things that Ujiri one of the most well-compensated executives in the league wouldnt have even had at his disposal. Their requests were unreasonable, a source said, which made the Raptors wonder whether Leonard was seriously considering them at all.

This new bit of information adds further merit to theories pertaining to Kawhis extremely well-orchestrated delaying tactics. If this is true, then it seems that Leonard never really wanted to re-sign with the Raptors, and that he was just waiting for the Clippers to be able to make their big move for Paul George before making his own move official.

https://clutchpoints.com/raptors-rumors-kawhi-leonard-camp-made-unreasonable-requests-during-free-agent-meeting/ (https://clutchpoints.com/raptors-rumors-kawhi-leonard-camp-made-unreasonable-requests-during-free-agent-meeting/)
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 24, 2019, 04:37:45 PM

So Kawhi said some nice things at his introductory press conference about the Raptors which, while meaningless ultimately, I think still trumped one of those things in the Player's Tribune that was clearly written by a PR person. Seemed true to who he is as a weirdo.
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 25, 2019, 03:20:30 AM
Kawhi also called the parade  best parade ever.


When interviewed, he said this:

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 09, 2019, 02:42:45 AM
Looks like Durant is unforgiving. 

N.B.  He stated, reportedly, with a smirk.

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Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 02, 2019, 05:09:21 AM
Kawhis buzzer beater in Game 7 over the 76ers named NBA play of the year.


https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-names-kawhi-leonards-raptors-sixers-serieswinner-play-of-the-season-215329589.html
Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 07, 2019, 06:51:04 PM
The NBAs tenth female assistant, Britnii Donaldson to join Raptors organization:

Title: Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 23, 2019, 07:42:32 PM
Raptors Uliri talks Kawhi & Obama:

On Kawhi:
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There was plenty part of him that wanted to stay, Ujiri said in an interview with CBC. Winning, the city, medical, there are so many things I could tell

He won in the city, had one of the greatest shots in NBA history, the fans, an unbelievable parade. I know Kawhi, I know he really thought about all those things.

On Obamas attendance at a Raptors playoff game:
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Hosting Obama in Toronto for an NBA Finals game was a career highlight for Ujiri. The 49-year-old executive was proud to showcase the citys love for basketball and it created a memory hell hold dear to his heart forever.

It was a huge deal. Ive always told him how big it is in Canada. The reception he got was incredible, it shows how much people love him everywhere, Ujiri said. To actually experience the game in Canada, in Scotiabank Arena, to have him there, Ill be proud of that for the rest of my life, it is something Ill never ever forget.

Story:
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/masai-ujiri-plenty-part-of-kawhi-wanted-to-stay-with-raptors-182141896.html