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Title: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:43:46 AM
Was thinking about potential landings spots for Zaitsev. The common teams I'm hearing fans talk about are Dallas and Vancouver, and I can definitely see some interest there. But I think Ottawa actually makes a lot of sense here:

1) They just hired D.J. Smith, who presumably has a lot of faith in Zaitsev

2) They need help pretty much everywhere and might not be able to attract top free agents to fill those holes

3) It of course wouldn't be the first time they'd helped us out of a bad deal for a defenceman

Using that Phaneuf trade as a template, I'm obviously going to assume we'll be taking back some money from Ottawa. Three names that jumped out at me are the two LTIR'd players (Gaborik and MacArthur) and Boedker. MacArthur has just 1 year left on his contract while Gaborik has 2. Generally speaking these contracts are mostly insured but not entirely, so Ottawa is likely still paying out something here. Let's use Gaborik's deal here just because it's longer and because of his prior injury history presumably has less insurance coverage (although who knows). Obviously they'd be getting LTIR'd.

Boedker has 1-year left on his deal with a $4mil AAV and a $3mil salary and is coming off a pretty terrible year. If the Leafs bought out that contract right away they'd have a $2mil hit this coming season and just a $1mil hit for the following season. That seems like a reasonable hit to take.

So the Leafs are taking on two negative assets here, I'd want something decent in return. Looking over Ottawa's roster and Dylan DeMelo jumps out on me. I'm not an expert on him, but from a glance he appears to be a decent puck moving defenceman with average size. He was acquired from San Jose in the Karlsson trade. Why him? Well he's a right-handed defenceman with a low AVV ($900k) so that seems pretty appealing. In Ottawa he'd be bumped to the 3rd pairing behind Ceci and Zaitsev. He's also an UFA at the end of this coming season so let's just go ahead and assume he won't be re-signing with the sens after that.

So far we've got Zaitsev for Gaborik (LTIR), Boedker (buy-out), and Demlo (RHD). Assuming the Leafs can take advantage of all/most of Gaborik's hit on LTIR, they'd come away with $1.6mil in additional cap space with this trade. Not exactly as much as I would have thought, but maybe they could package Boedker in a Brown trade or something to avoid buying him out.

I'll be the first to admit I have zero idea what Zaitsev's trade value is. I've made my thoughts on his play pretty clear but I also think other teams see a right-handed defenceman who can play a ton of minutes and has experience on both the powerplay and penalty kill. There's enough not-smart GMs out there that I think would glance over the fact that he's not very good in those minutes.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Nik on May 31, 2019, 09:49:39 AM

Yeah, obviously I can't speak with any authority or anything but I don't immediately get the sense that Zaitsev is so toxic that he's a "bribe another team to take him" sort of thing.

Right now he should be seen as a 27 year old guy with a five year deal. Maybe it will take until after free agency and some teams miss out on their targets but I think you might be able to move that sort of deal and get some sort of asset back without taking back a bunch of money.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:50:08 AM
A much simpler trade proposal that I see making the rounds is Zaitsev to Dallas for Honka. Or at least something revolving around that. They've shown to have a pretty questionable taste in defencemen (Polak, Methot, Lovejoy, Oleksiak, Fedun) recently and only have 4 D under contract right now.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: cabber24 on May 31, 2019, 09:51:32 AM
I don't think Zaitsev is useless. He's a right-handed defenseman and is coming off some decent play down the stretch while paired with Muzzin. His cap hit isn't ridiculous for a #3-4 right-handed defenseman. He will contribute in a meaningful way wherever he lands. Yes, he doesn't have that great breakout pass locked down but perhaps a team that plays a different style would be a better fit.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on May 31, 2019, 09:49:39 AM

Yeah, obviously I can't speak with any authority or anything but I don't immediately get the sense that Zaitsev is so toxic that he's a "bribe another team to take him" sort of thing.

Right now he should be seen as a 27 year old guy with a five year deal. Maybe it will take until after free agency and some teams miss out on their targets but I think you might be able to move that sort of deal and get some sort of asset back without taking back a bunch of money.

Yeah I might be taking back a little too much dead weight in my Ottawa deal, or maybe not getting back enough real value in the form of an additional pick or something. I am hopeful that we can move him in a deal that benefits us.

Justin Bourne said something similar to your point today which was that if another team signed Zaitsev to a 5-year deal at this cap hit today everyone would say it's a little too much for a little too long but it's also believable considering deals signed in the past. GMs always have a blindspot for defencemen who play a lot of minutes.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Nik on May 31, 2019, 10:03:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Justin Bourne said something similar to your point today which was that if another team signed Zaitsev to a 5-year deal at this cap hit today everyone would say it's a little too much for a little too long but it's also believable considering deals signed in the past. GMs always have a blindspot for defencemen who play a lot of minutes.

That's sort of my thinking. It'd be Kris Russell bad, not Jeff Finger bad.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: cabber24 on May 31, 2019, 10:07:09 AM
I know were in cap-crisis mode but I was optimistic about a continued Zaitsev-Muzzin pairing. They were great down the stretch and through the playoffs.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zee on May 31, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
I'm all for Clarke MacArthur retiring a Leaf on LTIR, let's make it happen.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bill_Berg on May 31, 2019, 10:25:33 AM
I suppose the willingness to trade Zaitsev means Dubas intends on keeping Marleau around next year. I always felt one of these guys needed to go to be able to re-sign Marner, Johnsson, and Kapanen. If that's the intention, he'll probably go for picks or prospects in an effort to save all his cap space.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on May 31, 2019, 10:03:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Justin Bourne said something similar to your point today which was that if another team signed Zaitsev to a 5-year deal at this cap hit today everyone would say it's a little too much for a little too long but it's also believable considering deals signed in the past. GMs always have a blindspot for defencemen who play a lot of minutes.

That's sort of my thinking. It'd be Kris Russell bad, not Jeff Finger bad.

Since you brought up his name in another thread, it'll be pretty funny to me if the Leafs can deal Zaitsev in a trade that works out favourably for them while the Habs can't give Karl Alzner away for free. They both have roughly the same cap hit but Alzner's deal is 2 years shorter. The only other noticeable difference I can see between the two is that Zaitsev's coach kept playing him while Alzner's didn't. I might have to thank Babcock for his usage of him after all.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on May 31, 2019, 10:46:33 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on May 31, 2019, 10:03:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:57:55 AM
Justin Bourne said something similar to your point today which was that if another team signed Zaitsev to a 5-year deal at this cap hit today everyone would say it's a little too much for a little too long but it's also believable considering deals signed in the past. GMs always have a blindspot for defencemen who play a lot of minutes.

That's sort of my thinking. It'd be Kris Russell bad, not Jeff Finger bad.

Since you brought up his name in another thread, it'll be pretty funny to me if the Leafs can deal Zaitsev in a trade that works out favourably for them while the Habs can't give Karl Alzner away for free. They both have roughly the same cap hit but Alzner's deal is 2 years shorter. The only other noticeable difference I can see between the two is that Zaitsev's coach kept playing him while Alzner's didn't. I might have to thank Babcock for his usage of him after all.

Mmhmm. Babcock has cachet in the NHL circles and they'll largely believe what he tells them through his actions. You send a big contract down into the AHL and you've tarnished his value significantly with the old school GMs.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on May 31, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
What about Anaheim as a landing spot? They have to go for it and they have frittered away a lot of their RD depth but still have a good pool of centre prospects to deal from.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: herman on May 31, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
What about Anaheim as a landing spot? They have to go for it and they have frittered away a lot of their RD depth but still have a good pool of centre prospects to deal from.

It's kinda incredible how the Ducks went from having one of the deepest defence groups in the league to... whatever they have now.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on May 31, 2019, 11:29:08 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 10:57:35 AM
Quote from: herman on May 31, 2019, 10:49:42 AM
What about Anaheim as a landing spot? They have to go for it and they have frittered away a lot of their RD depth but still have a good pool of centre prospects to deal from.

It's kinda incredible how the Ducks went from having one of the deepest defence groups in the league to... whatever they have now.

The Ducks are an internal cap team, don't use advanced stats (other than Dallas Eakins). If Zaitsev is amenable to the locale, we could pay off the signing bonus first to bring back more of a sweetener.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Michael on May 31, 2019, 11:32:47 AM
If Zaitsev is traded away then it makes sense the Leafs need would be to get defense in return. But what kind of deal can they land with another team when their greatest area of need is a right shot defenseman? Maybe the right deal is out there somewhere, but given that the Leafs are already in cap trouble, I cannot think of one.

It seems more likely, to me anyway, that the Leafs can best address their D by trading away Zaitsev plus a forward (shedding more salary in the process) and then taking back a quality D man in the process. Otherwise I just do not see how they do not come out behind on this one. Unless of course they just shed the salary, show Marner the money and then play with rookie D next year. 
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on May 31, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Some insight into Zaitsev
https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/buh63q/zaitsev_interview_in_russia_video_translation_in/epc15nu
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/30/18646291/toronto-maple-leafs-rumors-nikita-zaitsev-maple-leafs-trades-nhl-trades-maple-leafs-defence

And it seems like one of the reasons he might be wanting a change of scenery is the churn of how fans are sheep to 'clowns' like Don Cherry, and how the Athletic's game score rating system shafts defensive players leading to narratives that just wear you down.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2019, 11:56:31 AM
Surprised that none of you brilliant guys have mentioned the most obvious of them all: EDM.  Based on a certain similar recent trade, it will be fun trying to fit RNG into our lineup, or more likely flip him for that 1st we need.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2019, 11:57:57 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on May 31, 2019, 09:50:08 AM
A much simpler trade proposal that I see making the rounds is Zaitsev to Dallas for Honka. Or at least something revolving around that. They've shown to have a pretty questionable taste in defencemen (Polak, Methot, Lovejoy, Oleksiak, Fedun) recently and only have 4 D under contract right now.

You have just caused me to wet myself.  I've been dreaming a long time about Dubas & Co. getting their mitts on Honka and righting his development.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: herman on May 31, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Some insight into Zaitsev
https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/buh63q/zaitsev_interview_in_russia_video_translation_in/epc15nu
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/30/18646291/toronto-maple-leafs-rumors-nikita-zaitsev-maple-leafs-trades-nhl-trades-maple-leafs-defence

And it seems like one of the reasons he might be wanting a change of scenery is the churn of how fans are sheep to 'clowns' like Don Cherry, and how the Athletic's game score rating system shafts defensive players leading to narratives that just wear you down.
I get the feeling from some of his comments that he has a real chip on his shoulders, basically he was a star in the KHL, one of the tops there, highly respected.  Now he is Cherry's whipping boy for Russian D men.  He doesn't like the Leaf fan base and its "pitchfork" mentality.  Perhaps he feels like Rodney Dangerfield and that he is getting "no respect".    Lets move him out and fast.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2019, 12:21:34 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 12:07:44 PM
Quote from: herman on May 31, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Some insight into Zaitsev
https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/buh63q/zaitsev_interview_in_russia_video_translation_in/epc15nu
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/30/18646291/toronto-maple-leafs-rumors-nikita-zaitsev-maple-leafs-trades-nhl-trades-maple-leafs-defence

And it seems like one of the reasons he might be wanting a change of scenery is the churn of how fans are sheep to 'clowns' like Don Cherry, and how the Athletic's game score rating system shafts defensive players leading to narratives that just wear you down.
I get the feeling from some of his comments that he has a real chip on his shoulders, basically he was a star in the KHL, one of the tops there, highly respected.  Now he is Cherry's whipping boy for Russian D men.  He doesn't like the Leaf fan base and its "pitchfork" mentality.  Perhaps he feels like Rodney Dangerfield and that he is getting "no respect".    Lets move him out and fast.

I think you're reading into this stuff he didn't say.  What I got out of that is that he doesn't think his best strengths are being used -- which is correct -- and that makes him open to criticism, which of course he doesn't like.  All pretty reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: digdug on May 31, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
What about the Islanders?

Lou signed him to the contract in the first place.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 02:33:08 PM
Ya Lou owes us one for ol times sakes ;)
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zee on May 31, 2019, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: digdug on May 31, 2019, 12:25:23 PM
What about the Islanders?

Lou signed him to the contract in the first place.

How upset would Islanders fans be?  First he takes Martin and Leo and then Zaitsev?
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 04:59:29 PM
Leo had a great season there, they love him.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
And Martin has been a fan favorite forever.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zee on May 31, 2019, 05:16:15 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 04:59:29 PM
Leo had a great season there, they love him.


$3M for 6 goals is a great season?
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 05:37:29 PM
Everyone loves Leo (or is that Raymond)
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Guilt Trip on May 31, 2019, 05:49:02 PM
Quote from: Highlander on May 31, 2019, 05:37:29 PM
Everyone loves Leo (or is that Raymond)
We loved Leo too. Just hated how Babs used him like on Matthews wing lol.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: princedpw on June 02, 2019, 02:37:10 PM
Quote from: Zee on May 31, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
I'm all for Clarke MacArthur retiring a Leaf on LTIR, let's make it happen.

+1
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Joe S. on June 03, 2019, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 31, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
I'm all for Clarke MacArthur retiring a Leaf on LTIR, let's make it happen.

Wasn’t his departure very acrimonious? I know he was a free agent, but didn’t he slam the door on the way out?
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: louisstamos on June 03, 2019, 09:51:30 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on June 03, 2019, 09:39:13 AM
Quote from: Zee on May 31, 2019, 10:17:20 AM
I'm all for Clarke MacArthur retiring a Leaf on LTIR, let's make it happen.

Wasn’t his departure very acrimonious? I know he was a free agent, but didn’t he slam the door on the way out?

Yup - Randy Carlyle basically had him as a healthy scratch going into the '13 playoffs (he didn't play until Game #4), so he basically said he would never play for Carlyle ever again after that.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 02:49:46 PM

Uh, yeah, this idea please.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bender on June 04, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 02:49:46 PM

Uh, yeah, this idea please.

I know! Which one would you want?
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 04, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
I know! Which one would you want?

My personal rankings would be Pesce, Hamilton, Faulk.

Not considering contracts, the gaps between all 3 isn't very big I don't think. But Pesce having 5 years left at a great AAV gives him a huge boost, while Faulk being a year away from UFA of course does the opposite.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: princedpw on June 04, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 03:13:53 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 04, 2019, 03:01:40 PM
I know! Which one would you want?

My personal rankings would be Pesce, Hamilton, Faulk.

Not considering contracts, the gaps between all 3 isn't very big I don't think. But Pesce having 5 years left at a great AAV gives him a huge boost, while Faulk being a year away from UFA of course does the opposite.

I agree — I would def take the youngest guy with the longest current contract.

If they can get Pesce in a deal like that, that would be amazing. I’m kinda surprised that Carolina would go for this though.  They don’t need Zaitsev, and Pesce for Kappy already seems tilted in the leafs favor given the typical price for RHD.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 02:49:46 PM

Uh, yeah, this idea please.
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

How would you feel about a Kapanen for Pesce trade straight up? Because that'd be highway robbery for the Leafs, especially when you consider Pesce's sweetheart contract.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: bustaheims on June 04, 2019, 04:35:09 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

You're not getting Pesce for less than that - especially in a deal where the Leafs move Zaitsev, too. Kapanen straight up for Pesce is already good value for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 04, 2019, 04:02:43 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 03:33:38 PM
Throwing in Kappy to dump Zaitsev is a lot to pay for Pesce imo. I watched him play and I wasn't thinking, man would love to have him on our team. I have no issue giving up a prospect but Kappy isn't the one.

How would you feel about a Kapanen for Pesce trade straight up? Because that'd be highway robbery for the Leafs, especially when you consider Pesce's sweetheart contract.
I'm probably wrong but a top 6 forward for a 2nd pair D man?  I think it would be a good deal for both teams. Maybe we'd have to add a pick. I don't see it as robbery for the Leafs.
I guess my big objection when looking at that deal is that I don't like the idea of dumping Zaitsev for literally nothing. Yes we don't like his contract but he is still a serviceable RHD man. They're valuable and he played well with Muzz.
Is Pesce that much of an upgrade on Zaitsev? Their contracts aren't that different.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: bustaheims on June 04, 2019, 05:58:32 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
I'm probably wrong but a top 6 forward for a 2nd pair D man?  I think it would be a good deal for both teams. Maybe we'd have to add a pick. I don't see it as robbery for the Leafs.

Except that Kapanen is the Leafs' 3rd line RW, behind Nylander and Marner. So, you're really looking at a 3rd line winger for a guy who could conceivably be the Leafs' top pairing RD. Definitely in the Leafs' favour, without question.

Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 04:53:39 PM
I guess my big objection when looking at that deal is that I don't like the idea of dumping Zaitsev for literally nothing. Yes we don't like his contract but he is still a serviceable RHD man. They're valuable and he played well with Muzz.
Is Pesce that much of an upgrade on Zaitsev? Their contracts aren't that different.

Yes, Pesce is that much of an upgrade over Zaitsev. You're right in that Z is still a serviceable RHD, he's just overpaid by $1.5M-$2M per season for what he's actually been able to contribute. Pesce, on the other hand, is probably underpaid by $1M-$1.5M.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: AvroArrow on June 04, 2019, 06:07:04 PM
That would be a ridiculously sweet deal!
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 06:08:47 PM
Thx Busta. Appreciate the insight. I would only say that you are calling Kappy a 3rd line guy, but the reality was he played in our top 6, so we'll call him that in trade talks with other teams, lol. Nylander maybe our 3rd lline centre if Kadri is gone so Kappy would remain top 6..
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: bustaheims on June 04, 2019, 06:13:40 PM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2019, 06:08:47 PM
Thx Busta. Appreciate the insight. I would only say that you are calling Kappy a 3rd line guy, but the reality was he played in our top 6, so we'll call him that in trade talks with other teams, lol. Nylander maybe our 3rd lline centre if Kadri is gone so Kappy would remain top 6..

Even if Kadri goes, I suspect the team would look into bringing in a two-way guy to replace him instead of putting Nylander in that role. Nylander as 3rd line C should really be a worst case scenario.

As for Kapanen, he probably would be a 2nd liner on most other teams, sure. Which means the Leafs would be dealing from a position of strength to address an area of weakness - so, basically, roster management 101.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zee on June 04, 2019, 07:25:27 PM
Zaitsev to Canucks (E4)

E for Elliot Friedman
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Frycer14 on June 04, 2019, 09:23:07 PM
Geez, if it was Pesce for Kapanen, even straight up, you do that trade all day.

I'd have considered him relatively good value for Nylander during the holdout, let alone Kapanen.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on June 05, 2019, 08:47:06 PM
Sorry I don't trade for any guy whose name means fish...it could end up smelling.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bender on June 06, 2019, 09:11:29 AM
Quote from: Highlander on June 05, 2019, 08:47:06 PM
Sorry I don't trade for any guy whose name means fish...it could end up smelling.

Not a fan of Baccala?  ;D
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Nik on June 06, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
(https://securea.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/545361.jpg)
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on June 06, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/06/04/evaluating-destinations-for-nikita-zaitsev/

Quote
Where does he go? With the above in mind, I pulled up some info about teams throughout the league. I didn’t search for who I thought needed a player like Nikita Zaitsev – I searched for a team that might think they need a guy like Nikita Zaitsev.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: louisstamos on June 06, 2019, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: herman on June 06, 2019, 03:04:31 PM
http://faceoffcircle.ca/2019/06/04/evaluating-destinations-for-nikita-zaitsev/

Quote
Where does he go? With the above in mind, I pulled up some info about teams throughout the league. I didn’t search for who I thought needed a player like Nikita Zaitsev – I searched for a team that might think they need a guy like Nikita Zaitsev.

I didn't even consider Detroit as a possible trade partner, but they make a lot of sense as a possible destination.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Highlander on June 06, 2019, 07:23:05 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 06, 2019, 11:06:03 AM
(https://securea.mlb.com/mlb/images/players/head_shot/545361.jpg)
That is one big smelly contract for a big Fish.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on June 13, 2019, 01:01:52 PM
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Zee on June 13, 2019, 01:07:11 PM
Why is Paul Marner giving Dreger Zaitsev info?
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bates on June 13, 2019, 01:18:04 PM
Quote from: Zee on June 13, 2019, 01:07:11 PM
Why is Paul Marner giving Dreger Zaitsev info?

Show Cap space clearing for Mitch.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 10:48:04 AM

Canucks are reportedly interested in Zaitsev... Leafs reportedly want a defenceman in return for Zaitsev... Canucks are reportedly stopping Tanev...

I'm a lot cooler on Tanev than I was a year or two ago because of his continued injury issues, but this is still something that makes sense for both sides I think.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: louisstamos on June 19, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 10:48:04 AM

Canucks are reportedly interested in Zaitsev... Leafs reportedly want a defenceman in return for Zaitsev... Canucks are reportedly stopping Tanev...

I'm a lot cooler on Tanev than I was a year or two ago because of his continued injury issues, but this is still something that makes sense for both sides I think.

Agreed - the injury history scares me a bit, but he's exactly the type of player the Leafs need; a shot suppressing d-man.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Coco-puffs on June 19, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
Quote from: louisstamos on June 19, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 10:48:04 AM

Canucks are reportedly interested in Zaitsev... Leafs reportedly want a defenceman in return for Zaitsev... Canucks are reportedly stopping Tanev...

I'm a lot cooler on Tanev than I was a year or two ago because of his continued injury issues, but this is still something that makes sense for both sides I think.

Agreed - the injury history scares me a bit, but he's exactly the type of player the Leafs need; a shot suppressing d-man.

LOAD MANAGEMENT.  Get Tanev in, don't overwork him- we can make the playoffs with him not playing a full season- and have him 100% for the playoffs where we need him at his best.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bender on June 19, 2019, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 10:48:04 AM

Canucks are reportedly interested in Zaitsev... Leafs reportedly want a defenceman in return for Zaitsev... Canucks are reportedly stopping Tanev...

I'm a lot cooler on Tanev than I was a year or two ago because of his continued injury issues, but this is still something that makes sense for both sides I think.

Also nice to have an expiring contract, maybe we can re-sign him on the cheap due to injury problems, and if not we're out of Zaitsev overpayment.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: herman on June 19, 2019, 12:08:07 PM

Not directly Zaitsev-related anymore, but if Connor Brown can net Jesse Puljujarvi, then this should be done right away.

So some package of Zaitsev and Brown and picks?
for Matt Benning, Puljujarvi, Khaira(?)/picks
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Not directly Zaitsev-related anymore, but if Connor Brown can net Jesse Puljujarvi, then this should be done right away.

Zaitsev for Tanev, Brown for Pulji, Kapanen for Pesce, dump Marleau's contract, sign Corey Perry for cheap. LETS GO
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bender on June 19, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 12:09:44 PM
Quote from: herman on June 19, 2019, 12:08:07 PM
Not directly Zaitsev-related anymore, but if Connor Brown can net Jesse Puljujarvi, then this should be done right away.

Zaitsev for Tanev, Brown for Pulji, Kapanen for Pesce, dump Marleau's contract, sign Corey Perry for cheap. LETS GO
Can CP still play at a decent level?
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 19, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Can CP still play at a decent level?

I think he can rebound to be a fine bottom-6+PP option. But I mean even if his only value is doing something stupid before Kadri has a chance to then that still seems worth it.
Title: Re: Zaitsev trade ideas
Post by: Bates on June 19, 2019, 12:37:26 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on June 19, 2019, 12:23:26 PM
Quote from: Bender on June 19, 2019, 12:19:47 PM
Can CP still play at a decent level?

I think he can rebound to be a fine bottom-6+PP option. But I mean even if his only value is doing something stupid before Kadri has a chance to then that still seems worth it.

Id be willing to sign him to run Marchand alone.