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Title: Stone traded to Vegas, signs 8x9.5mil extension
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 02:46:40 PM
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Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: herman on February 25, 2019, 02:47:48 PM
Hahahaha Winnipeg/Calgary/Nashville
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 02:48:47 PM
Erik Brannstrom damn
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: louisstamos on February 25, 2019, 02:49:46 PM
Brannstrom, tho.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2019, 02:50:34 PM
Good deal for Ottawa seeing they couldn't re-sign Stone.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: herman on February 25, 2019, 02:50:44 PM
I look forward to seeing Brannstrom play more readily.

Chabot - shrug
Brannstrom - hmmm
Phaneuf's retained salary - Borowiecki
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 02:50:51 PM
Brannstrom-Chabot is going to be sick.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 02:51:12 PM
That's a great piece for the Sens considering they dealt Stone with half an hour to go and he's a UFA.  Brannstrom could be an elite dman
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2019, 02:52:08 PM
I don't like it. It's too good for Ottawa. Brannstrom is enough for them to do well in this deal, unless they somehow traded next years' 1st.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 02:52:18 PM
Brannstrom, Oskar Linberg and a 2nd round pick
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 02:52:32 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 02:54:28 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.

Yeah but you have to figure Brannstrom is better than any Vegas first round pick this year that would be in the 20s.  There's a limit to how many pieces you can get for a UFA unless he agreed to an extension with Vegas
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2019, 02:55:06 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.

The rest of the deal is pretty mediocre, but getting Brannstrom is huge. Vegas seems to be fan of moving out high quality prospects. Suzuki, Brannstrom . . . they don't have a particularly deep prospect pool (thanks to only having been part of 2 drafts), and they're trading most of their top pieces.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: herman on February 25, 2019, 02:55:43 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.

Yeah but you have to figure Brannstrom is better than any Vegas first round pick this year that would be in the 20s.  There's a limit to how many pieces you can get for a UFA unless he agreed to an extension with Vegas

Vegas isn't letting go of any of their free top 6 draft picks. They automatically get placed in 3rd last place for the lottery as part of the expansion agreement (for 3 years, I think).
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 02:56:08 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.

The rest of the deal is pretty mediocre, but getting Brannstrom is huge. Vegas seems to be fan of moving out high quality prospects. Suzuki, Brannstrom . . . they don't have a particularly deep prospect pool (thanks to only having been part of 2 drafts), and they're trading most of their top pieces.

That's McPhee..he traded an 18 year old Forsberg for Erat...
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 02:57:07 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.

Yeah but you have to figure Brannstrom is better than any Vegas first round pick this year that would be in the 20s.  There's a limit to how many pieces you can get for a UFA unless he agreed to an extension with Vegas

Vegas isn't letting go of any of their free top 6 draft picks. They automatically get placed in 3rd last place for the lottery as part of the expansion agreement (for 3 years, I think).

Wow didn't realize that..yeah then they wouldn't put in a first for an expiring contract
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2019, 02:57:15 PM
Vegas isn't letting go of any of their free top 6 draft picks. They automatically get placed in 3rd last place for the lottery as part of the expansion agreement (for 3 years, I think).

I'm pretty sure that's not true. They didn't have a top pick in this past draft.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2019, 02:59:41 PM

Eeesh, no 1st rounder for Stone. That's a little surprising, even if Brannstrom is a great prospect.
Not really surprising. You can't just keep taking picks. You need bodies that can actually play now or very soon. This kid looks like one of them. Good trade for the sens.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Zee on February 25, 2019, 03:01:23 PM
Damn..Stone said he agreed to an extension just hasn't signed yet
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 03:01:31 PM
Vegas isn't letting go of any of their free top 6 draft picks. They automatically get placed in 3rd last place for the lottery as part of the expansion agreement (for 3 years, I think).

I'm pretty sure that's not true. They didn't have a top pick in this past draft.

That was just for their first draft, prior to their first season.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 03:02:54 PM

So there's an extension done right away too. Anyone who followed my posts in his draft year knows how much I like Brannstrom, but this makes not getting a 1st look even worse.

For a player like Stone (who is probably a top 10-15 winger in the league) getting a top prospect and 1st should have been the goal.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: herman on February 25, 2019, 03:03:26 PM
Vegas isn't letting go of any of their free top 6 draft picks. They automatically get placed in 3rd last place for the lottery as part of the expansion agreement (for 3 years, I think).

I'm pretty sure that's not true. They didn't have a top pick in this past draft.

That pick was traded to Detroit for Tatar, wasn't it? So they should be down to their last one this upcoming draft. 6th is the lowest they could possibly pick because they're gifted the same odds as the 3rd worst finish to the regular season.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2019, 03:07:55 PM
That pick was traded to Detroit for Tatar, wasn't it? So they should be down to their last one this upcoming draft. 6th is the lowest they could possibly pick because they're gifted the same odds as the 3rd worst finish to the regular season.

That pick was 30th overall. They are not guaranteed top picks. They are not gifted anything.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: herman on February 25, 2019, 03:09:22 PM
That pick was traded to Detroit for Tatar, wasn't it? So they should be down to their last one this upcoming draft. 6th is the lowest they could possibly pick because they're gifted the same odds as the 3rd worst finish to the regular season.

That pick was 30th overall. They are not guaranteed top picks. They are not gifted anything.

You're right (it's hard to find the rules after the fact), it only applied to their first draft (2017).
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: herman on February 25, 2019, 03:10:41 PM

So there's an extension done right away too. Anyone who followed my posts in his draft year knows how much I like Brannstrom, but this makes not getting a 1st look even worse.

For a player like Stone (who is probably a top 10-15 winger in the league) getting a top prospect and 1st should have been the goal.

Melnyk couldn't shell 9M for the guy that actually loved playing for Ottawa and would've been the shoo-in captain?
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 03:10:55 PM

*whispers* talk of Marner getting $10+mil is insane *whispers*
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas, signs 8x9.5mil extension
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 25, 2019, 03:30:51 PM

*whispers* talk of Marner getting $10+mil is insane *whispers*
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Coco-puffs on February 26, 2019, 10:30:24 AM

So there's an extension done right away too. Anyone who followed my posts in his draft year knows how much I like Brannstrom, but this makes not getting a 1st look even worse.

For a player like Stone (who is probably a top 10-15 winger in the league) getting a top prospect and 1st should have been the goal.

Melnyk couldn't shell 9M for the guy that actually loved playing for Ottawa and would've been the shoo-in captain?

Apparently they did offer him similar money (maybe structure is different).  It sounds like none of these guys believed in the org. and didn't want to commit long term.  Which is probably worse than the owner being too cheap to sign them.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas
Post by: Coco-puffs on February 26, 2019, 10:44:12 AM

*whispers* talk of Marner getting $10+mil is insane *whispers*

As much as I'd like to agree that its "insane"

1.  Would you rather pay Stone/Kucherov 9.5M in years 6-8 when they are age 31+  or Marner 10.5M in years 6-8 when he is age 27-29?  And its not like Marner's age 22-26 seasons should be any worse than what he's doing now (puck luck or injury aside).  There is a very real chance that both Stone and Kucherov are having their career years the season before they start a slow decline while starting their big contracts.  I'd be really surprised if Marner didn't continue to improve moving forward.

2.  The days of RFA superstars getting squeezed is coming to an end.  I think middle-tier RFA's will get squeezed pretty hard still moving forward (ie Johnsson/Kapanen) but you won't see it with elite players. 

3.  I think smart GM's will start paying players for what they can reasonably expect in terms of production etc instead of "you did this for n years in your prime, so I'm going to pay you like you are going to continue doing it until you are 35". 

Anyways, I certainly HOPE the Leafs use these two examples as to reasons why he shouldn't get a lick above 9M per but I don't think its *insane* to get it.

Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas, signs 8x9.5mil extension
Post by: Nik the Trik on February 26, 2019, 11:42:25 AM

And, also, I'll say it until I'm blue in the face:

Toronto isn't Vegas.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas, signs 8x9.5mil extension
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 26, 2019, 03:08:14 PM
His inclusion wasn't reported originally but Tobias Lindberg also went from Ottawa to Vegas in the deal. Not the first time the 23-year old forward has been traded:

Feb 2016: Traded from Ottawa to Toronto in the Phaneuf trade
Oct 2017: Traded from Toronto to Vegas for Calvin Pickard
Feb 2018: Traded from Vegas to Pittsburgh as part of the Brassard 3-way trade
Dec 2018: Traded from Pittsburgh back to Ottawa in a depth swap
Feb 2019: Traded from Ottawa back to Vegas in the Stone trade

Hasn't played in the NHL since he got in a few games with the Leafs in the tank-year. His AHL numbers aren't anything special either.
Title: Re: Stone traded to Vegas, signs 8x9.5mil extension
Post by: herman on February 26, 2019, 03:24:48 PM
VGK Ops: Here's the fresh shipment of Oscar's sweaters!

McPhee: Oh shhh--ugar plum fairies... hey Dorion, can you throw in Tobias?