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Title: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 22, 2018, 11:13:57 AM
Well, I know that it's a tad early to be starting this thread, but I thought I'd start it off with the 2019 Stanley Cup team odds as presented by Bodog & Bovada, courtesy of BarDown:


Choose your poisons:  :)

@BovadaOfficial
TOR/TBL +750
WPG +950
NSH/VGK/WSH +1100
PIT/BOS +1200
SJ +1600
EDM/STL +2000
CHI/LAK +2500
PHI/ANA/DAL/CBJ +3000
CGY +3300
MIN +3500
NJD/COL +4000
FLA +5000
MTL +7500
NYR +8500
BUF/CAR/NYI/ARI/OTT +10000
VAN +12500
DET +20000
OddsShark (@OddsShark) August 17, 2018

and...

@Bodog
Tampa Bay +900
Toronto +1000
Winnipeg +1000
Boston +1100
Vegas +1100
Nashville +1100
Washington +1200

For your interpretation, click here:
https://www.bardown.com/latest-stanley-cup-odds-has-a-new-canadian-club-favoured-near-the-top-1.1159697 (https://www.bardown.com/latest-stanley-cup-odds-has-a-new-canadian-club-favoured-near-the-top-1.1159697)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 22, 2018, 11:44:23 AM
Then there's  this:  Las Vegas Futures Sportsbook...

Odds-on favourites to win the Cup:

       Team                    Odds
Tampa Bay Lightning      7/1
Toronto Maple Leafs       7/1
Winnipeg Jets               10/1
Boston Bruins               12/1
Nashville Predators       12/1
Pittsburgh Penguins      12/1
Vegas Golden Knights   12/1
Washington Capitals     12/1
San Jose Sharks           20/1
Columbus Blue Jackets 25/1
Edmonton Oilers          25/1
Los Angeles Kings        25/1
Philadelphia Flyers       25/1
St. Louis Blues            25/1
Anaheim Ducks           33/1
Calgary Flames           33/1
Chicago Blackhawks    33/1
Dallas Stars                33/1
Colorado Avalanche     40/1
Minnesota Wild           40/1
New Jersey Devils       40/1
Arizona Coyotes          50/1
Florida Panthers          50/1
New York Rangers       66/1
Buffalo Sabres            80/1
Carolina Hurricanes     80/1
Montreal Canadiens     80/1
New York Islanders      80/1
Detroit Red Wings       100/1
Vancouver Canucks     100/1
Ottawa Senators         150/1


Odds on favourites to win Eastern Confeewnce:

       Team                  Odds
Tampa Bay Lightning     4/1
Toronto Maple Leafs      4/1
Boston Bruins              13/2
Pittsburgh Penguins     13/2
Washington Capitals     13/2
Columbus Blue Jackets 12/1
Philadelphia Flyers       12/1
New Jersey Devils        20/1
Florida Panthers           25/1
New York Rangers        33/1
Buffalo Sabres             40/1
Carolina Hurricanes      40/1
Montreal Canadiens      40/1
New York Islanders      40/1
Detroit Red Wings        50/1
Ottawa Senators          66/1


Odds-on favourites to win Western Confeeence:

      Team                  Odds
Winnipeg Jets                 9/2
Nashville Predators        11/2
Vegas Golden Knights    11/2
San Jose Sharks            10/1
Edmonton Oilers            12/1
Los Angeles Kings          12/1
St. Louis Blues              12/1
Anaheim Ducks             16/1
Calgary Flames             16/1
Chicago Blackhawks      16/1
Dallas Stars                  16/1
Colorado Avalanche       20/1
Minnesota Wild             20/1
Arizona Coyotes           25/1
Vancouver Canucks      50/1


http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/ (http://www.vegasinsider.com/nhl/odds/futures/)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2018, 09:59:41 AM

Just wanted to share this premium roast this morning with you all.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on August 28, 2018, 10:32:42 AM
That was a pretty sick burn. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 28, 2018, 03:08:10 PM
Nice coffee, herman.  :D :)

Brodeur is either going to go back to New Jersey or team up with Lamoriello in Long Island.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 28, 2018, 08:03:50 PM
Nice coffee, herman.  :D :)

Brodeur is either going to go back to New Jersey or team up with Lamoriello in Long Island.

Youre welcome :) just to clarify, I didnt brew this gem.

Theres a report out that hes going to be working the business side of the Devils hockey ops.

https://www.tsn.ca/brodeur-looking-forward-to-next-chapter-1.1163993
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 29, 2018, 02:53:16 AM
Re: Trevor Linden's firing

Linden favoured a more patient approach to rebuilding the Canucks, while GM Benning preferred a more aggressive one.  Obviously the failure to pursue Tavares did not sit well with the Canuck owners:

Quote
From Ed Willes of the Vancouver Sun on Monday:
Trevor Linden, the recently deposed president, lost his job because he favoured a patient, methodical approach to the teams rebuild.
Hes since told friends the Aquilinis wanted no part of that plan and when Benning presented a more aggressive approach, which included an offer sheet for John Tavares, Linden was dumped, Willes wrote.


https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/trevor-linden-get-canned-not-pursuing-tavares-154144399.html
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2018, 08:01:00 AM
Brodeur is joining the Devils as its vice-president of business development. To the best of my knowledge, Brodeur does not have any kind of post-secondary education, which would probably disqualify literally anybody else on the planet from being able to earn that kind of job. He must have really nailed the interview process.

Kinda like he nailed his... oh wait this is a family site.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 29, 2018, 11:23:17 AM

My dad says he's signing here.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 29, 2018, 11:48:16 AM

My dad says he's signing here.

4th line center?  I'll take it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on August 29, 2018, 12:36:00 PM
How do you offer sheet a UFA??  Isn't it just a contract offer? But then again Canucks Owner and key folks might not know he was UFA.
Re: Trevor Linden's firing

Linden favoured a more patient approach to rebuilding the Canucks, while GM Benning preferred a more aggressive one.  Obviously the failure to pursue Tavares did not sit well with the Canuck owners:

Quote
From Ed Willes of the Vancouver Sun on Monday:
Trevor Linden, the recently deposed president, lost his job because he favoured a patient, methodical approach to the teams rebuild.
Hes since told friends the Aquilinis wanted no part of that plan and when Benning presented a more aggressive approach, which included an offer sheet for John Tavares, Linden was dumped, Willes wrote.


https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/trevor-linden-get-canned-not-pursuing-tavares-154144399.html
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on August 29, 2018, 01:08:42 PM
How do you offer sheet a UFA??  Isn't it just a contract offer? But then again Canucks Owner and key folks might not know he was UFA.

Underestimate Bennings lack of comprehension, and the Sun Medias level of writing quality at your own peril.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on August 31, 2018, 09:36:52 AM

That's Pacioretty's new agent, the never-shy Allan Walsh, openly accusing the Habs of spreading rumours that Pacioretty wants to leave Montreal and then confirming a report that Montreal was prepared to deal him to LA at the draft. Fun times.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on August 31, 2018, 09:58:42 AM

That's Pacioretty's new agent, the never-shy Allan Walsh, openly accusing the Habs of spreading rumours that Pacioretty wants to leave Montreal and then confirming a report that Montreal was prepared to deal him to LA at the draft. Fun times.

I don't know, if I were Pacioretty I probably would have taken that LA trade.  He's American, you get to live in a city by the ocean and pretty much fly under the radar after years of constantly being under the microscope in Montreal.  There's a lot to like about LA.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 02, 2018, 12:16:48 PM

Nate Schmidt has been suspended for violating the NHL's drug policy.

The steroid one, not the Friday night club one.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on September 02, 2018, 06:17:34 PM

Nate Schmidt has been suspended for violating the NHL's drug policy.

The steroid one, not the Friday night club one.

His statement seemed believable - mostly that his strength has remained constant through the year as monitored by the training staff.  But unfortunately, steroid users always lie so it is pretty tough to tell when someone is being truthful.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on September 02, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
The bricks of the Vegas facade are starting to crumble away.  The Juicer team![emoji3481]
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 03, 2018, 01:31:31 PM

That's Pacioretty's new agent, the never-shy Allan Walsh, openly accusing the Habs of spreading rumours that Pacioretty wants to leave Montreal and then confirming a report that Montreal was prepared to deal him to LA at the draft. Fun times.

I don't know, if I were Pacioretty I probably would have taken that LA trade.  He's American, you get to live in a city by the ocean and pretty much fly under the radar after years of constantly being under the microscope in Montreal.  There's a lot to like about LA.

Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 03, 2018, 01:41:43 PM
Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?

I'm only basing this on every single piece of available evidence we have but...maybe they're not very good at their jobs?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 03, 2018, 01:47:09 PM
Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?

I'm only basing this on every single piece of available evidence we have but...maybe they're not very good at their jobs?

This right here is a very good point.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on September 04, 2018, 09:43:05 AM
Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?

I'm only basing this on every single piece of available evidence we have but...maybe they're not very good at their jobs?

This right here is a very good point.

I can only guess that Montreal is offering him up in trades and that is how it's being leaked that Montreal wants rid of him.

It wouldn't make sense for Montreal to spread that themselves. Besides, everyone knows Montreal had a deal with LA that Max rejected. The writing is on the wall, but it does seem like Max wants to stay, or at least, prefers staying in Montreal than LA. An extension to his contract might have held up the LA trade too.

 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 04, 2018, 06:42:04 PM
Why would the team spread rumours about him wanting out. Would that, if anything, not lower his value if other teams view Montreal having to trade him because he's unhappy?

I'm only basing this on every single piece of available evidence we have but...maybe they're not very good at their jobs?

This right here is a very good point.

I can only guess that Montreal is offering him up in trades and that is how it's being leaked that Montreal wants rid of him.

It wouldn't make sense for Montreal to spread that themselves. Besides, everyone knows Montreal had a deal with LA that Max rejected. The writing is on the wall, but it does seem like Max wants to stay, or at least, prefers staying in Montreal than LA. An extension to his contract might have held up the LA trade too.

Follow the money...if Max is being especially difficult, in terms of $$ on a contract extension, with a team they're looking to make a deal with, then I can understand the habs trying to leak things that put pressure on Max to be more reasonable.

The habs wouldn't get as much of a return, at least theoretically at this point, if he's unwilling to sign an extension...hence, put the pressure on.

If he's a one year rental, I'm sure the return isn't as interesting to a rebuilding club like the habs.  He doesn't have an NTC, so far as I can tell, so I don't think he nixed any deal. 

I'm not trying to give the habs any credit, but I can understand the misguided thinking here, especially if they end up making him into a problem guy in the media and the return is even less.  Probably not a great strategy, but let's see how this plays out.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 05, 2018, 06:54:03 PM

This team is gonna be fun to observe this year.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 06, 2018, 01:53:27 AM
Follow the money...if Max is being especially difficult, in terms of $$ on a contract extension, with a team they're looking to make a deal with, then I can understand the habs trying to leak things that put pressure on Max to be more reasonable.

The habs wouldn't get as much of a return, at least theoretically at this point, if he's unwilling to sign an extension...hence, put the pressure on.

If he's a one year rental, I'm sure the return isn't as interesting to a rebuilding club like the habs.  He doesn't have an NTC, so far as I can tell, so I don't think he nixed any deal. 

I'm not trying to give the habs any credit, but I can understand the misguided thinking here, especially if they end up making him into a problem guy in the media and the return is even less.  Probably not a great strategy, but let's see how this plays out.

None of that makes any sense. It fails both tactically and in any sense of fairness.
 
"Putting pressure" on Pacioretty to sign a long term deal he doesn't want to sign for the express purpose of getting the team he's going to to give up more in a trade than they otherwise would, and therefore weakening his future team, isn't likely to get him to move. It's probably more likely to get him to want to play out his walk year and hit free agency.

The Habs have no reasonable expectation of juicing Pacioretty's value by means of a long-term team friendly contract. Trying to publicly pressure their captain to do so seems far more likely to add to Montreal's current pretty dicey reputation for how they treat their players than it is to yield any actual results.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 06, 2018, 01:08:07 PM
Follow the money...if Max is being especially difficult, in terms of $$ on a contract extension, with a team they're looking to make a deal with, then I can understand the habs trying to leak things that put pressure on Max to be more reasonable.

The habs wouldn't get as much of a return, at least theoretically at this point, if he's unwilling to sign an extension...hence, put the pressure on.

If he's a one year rental, I'm sure the return isn't as interesting to a rebuilding club like the habs.  He doesn't have an NTC, so far as I can tell, so I don't think he nixed any deal. 

I'm not trying to give the habs any credit, but I can understand the misguided thinking here, especially if they end up making him into a problem guy in the media and the return is even less.  Probably not a great strategy, but let's see how this plays out.

None of that makes any sense. It fails both tactically and in any sense of fairness.
 
"Putting pressure" on Pacioretty to sign a long term deal he doesn't want to sign for the express purpose of getting the team he's going to to give up more in a trade than they otherwise would, and therefore weakening his future team, isn't likely to get him to move. It's probably more likely to get him to want to play out his walk year and hit free agency.

Why would the habs care about what Pacioretty's future team outlook is like?  We're talking about why the habs might look to pressure Pacioretty to accept a contract extension with a club that's looking to acquire him in order to maximize the return from the habs' perspective.  It sounds like Pacioretty didn't come to terms with LA, and therefore the deal was off from LA's perspective, given Max doesn't have an NTC...that was likely disappointing to the habs.


The Habs have no reasonable expectation of juicing Pacioretty's value by means of a long-term team friendly contract. Trying to publicly pressure their captain to do so seems far more likely to add to Montreal's current pretty dicey reputation for how they treat their players than it is to yield any actual results.

Well, I'm sure the habs would prefer a better return than a less-better one, and Pacioretty agreeing to a team-friendly contract at the other end of the deal would likely help get a better return.  But to respond to your second sentence here, I agree.

Remember, I'm just trying to argue a hypothetical position here, and that position is that the habs want Pacioretty gone now for the highest return possible...his or their short-term reputation be damned.  They can't get enough for him as a one-year rental, so they need him to agree to a contract extension with the receiving team in order to get the return they want.  This is NOT a position that I'm supporting, or even suggesting is real, but if we're going on the assumption that Montreal is leaking that Pacioretty wants out, why else would they be doing that other than to try and compel him to leave?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 06, 2018, 01:17:40 PM
Why would the habs care about what Pacioretty's future team outlook is like?

I didn't say they would. I said it's not in Pacioretty's interests to help Montreal get the best possible return for him and that saying he wants out doesn't actually put pressure on him to leave. He can just say, as he did through his agent, that he doesn't want to leave.

This is NOT a position that I'm supporting, or even suggesting is real, but if we're going on the assumption that Montreal is leaking that Pacioretty wants out, why else would they be doing that other than to try and compel him to leave?

Well, there are two immediate things I can think of that make more sense than thinking that saying that Pacioretty wants to leave will somehow force his hand to sign a deal he doesn't like and hurt whatever team he'll be joining in the future.

A) They want media cover for why they don't want to engage in serious contract talks with him because they don't want to re-sign him. Which, you know, is what his agent just said.

and/or

B) They aren't very good at their jobs.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 06, 2018, 03:01:13 PM

Well, there are two immediate things I can think of that make more sense than thinking that saying that Pacioretty wants to leave will somehow force his hand to sign a deal he doesn't like and hurt whatever team he'll be joining in the future.

A) They want media cover for why they don't want to engage in serious contract talks with him because they don't want to re-sign him. Which, you know, is what his agent just said.

and/or

B) They aren't very good at their jobs.

A)  Right, they don't want to re-sign him, and they're actively trying to trade him. 
B)  Right, which is why I'm also arguing that their tactics here are a little screwy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 06, 2018, 03:07:15 PM
A)  Right, they don't want to re-sign him, and they're actively trying to trade him. 
B)  Right, which is why I'm also arguing that their tactics here are a little screwy.

None of which in any way reflects on what contracts Pacioretty is or isn't willing to sign. They're certainly free to trade him but Pacioretty not wanting to make a long term deal part of the package has nothing to do with him being reasonable or not. Regardless of what he may or may not be asking for he may just not want to sign a deal with whoever the Habs want to trade him to. If they want him to sign a long term deal with whoever they trade him to they should probably work with him to find a team he wants to go to and, you know, not antagonize him. 

What you're arguing isn't a little screwy, it's completely self-defeating. Compared to the overwhelming simplicity of just them not being very good at playing the media game(see, for instance, everything they did with Subban) I feel like this is one where Occam's Razor might be the way to go.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 10, 2018, 10:28:13 AM

"Controversial" lol, this league is so stupid.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 10, 2018, 12:36:04 PM

"Controversial" lol, this league is so stupid.

Do we have any more 'character' players we can trade to Lou for Ho-Sang to be Kadri's RW? McElhinney!?!?!?!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 10, 2018, 01:31:40 PM

Classic Buffalo. Foolishly changing your foolish expectations of a rookie after 2 meaningless prospect games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 10, 2018, 05:23:18 PM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 10, 2018, 06:10:48 PM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

Do we know if there are revenues going to the foundation or anything like that?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 10, 2018, 07:40:17 PM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

Do we know if there are revenues going to the foundation or anything like that?

Would it really matter? TSN could give money to them regardless. Short of that, it's broadcasting a game nobody would have any interest in were it not for a terrible tragedy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on September 11, 2018, 09:09:31 PM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

Yep, feels wrong.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 12, 2018, 11:43:13 AM
I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?


No pressure, kids.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on September 12, 2018, 12:07:21 PM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

My sentiments as well.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 12, 2018, 10:39:04 PM
27 game suspension for Austin Watson (Nashville) for domestic assault.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 13, 2018, 08:46:50 AM

Unlocked/free-to-read story from the Athletic about Robin Lehner and his battle with depression/addiction that led to him taking time off last season to get treatment. I think everyone knew that he was always a little... off... but I wouldn't have guessed this. Awesome of him to open up and share this, and I'm glad that Lou/the Islanders took a chance on him this season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on September 13, 2018, 09:25:23 AM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

My sentiments as well.

 I agree but someone from the Broncos organization had to agree to allow it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 13, 2018, 09:55:29 AM

I didn't really know where to put this but...does anyone else sort of feel like TSN's broadcasting of the Humboldt Bronco's season opener is a little bit ghoulishly exploitative?

My sentiments as well.

 I agree but someone from the Broncos organization had to agree to allow it.
Being from a small town I feel like it's a story that resonates with so many small towns across the country. It could have happened anywhere. Humboldt should be proud of how they handled the situation and the positive reaffirmation (media coverage included) will hopefully aid in their recovery.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 13, 2018, 10:51:46 AM

Unlocked/free-to-read story from the Athletic about Robin Lehner and his battle with depression/addiction that led to him taking time off last season to get treatment. I think everyone knew that he was always a little... off... but I wouldn't have guessed this. Awesome of him to open up and share this, and I'm glad that Lou/the Islanders took a chance on him this season.

This is a good read.

Also, which poop-emoji team was this:
Quote
My agent received a few calls, which was encouraging, but most teams were hesitant because I had a reputation. Those meetings with teams were some of the hardest things Ive had to do in my life, now sober. I couldnt tell them I was bipolar. I couldnt tell them anything.

One meeting in particular was worse than any other. I was bombarded with questions about why I was a bad person or a bad teammate and I couldnt say anything. I just took it for hours. I was told that I was a bad influence and I had less than one chance or I would be buried in the minors and that would end my career. Sitting and hearing from these people who dont know me and think that I am a bad person was extremely hard. I was crushed.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 14, 2018, 12:25:33 PM
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Friedman is reporting that this is due to a material breach of contract perhaps as a result of showing up in terrible playing condition.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on September 14, 2018, 12:44:09 PM
I don't see it anywhere else on the 'net* yet, but my son is in mourning. Zetts has apparently retired. As a lifelong RedWings fan, my kid is quite unhappy about this.

*oops, nm. G&M has it, TSN has it......
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 14, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
I don't see it anywhere else on the 'net* yet, but my son is in mourning. Zetts has apparently retired. As a lifelong RedWings fan, my kid is quite unhappy about this.

*oops, nm. G&M has it, TSN has it......

We've got a thread about it here for your commiserations:

http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5092.0 (http://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5092.0)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 14, 2018, 01:17:23 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Friedman is reporting that this is due to a material breach of contract perhaps as a result of showing up in terrible playing condition.

Guy assaults his girlfriend: our team is a family and we're going to support him

Guy shows up to camp out of shape: see ya fatty
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 14, 2018, 01:42:26 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Friedman is reporting that this is due to a material breach of contract perhaps as a result of showing up in terrible playing condition.

Guy assaults his girlfriend: our team is a family and we're going to support him

Guy shows up to camp out of shape: see ya fatty
Kessel... I think it has more to do with if they like the player and contract.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 14, 2018, 01:51:23 PM
Invalid Tweet ID
Friedman is reporting that this is due to a material breach of contract perhaps as a result of showing up in terrible playing condition.

Guy assaults his girlfriend: our team is a family and we're going to support him

Guy shows up to camp out of shape: see ya fatty

'Conditioning' is definitely team-speak to sanitize the situation. Contract termination due to material breach is what really gives it away, if we're going by precedent.

https://www.rawcharge.com/2018/9/14/17860750/tampa-bay-lightning-moving-on-from-jake-dotchin-nhl-contract-termination-julien-brisebois-news

Looks like there is a pattern of behaviour and he used up his last strike.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 14, 2018, 01:58:40 PM

'Conditioning' is definitely team-speak to sanitize the situation. Contract termination due to material breach is what really gives it away, if we're going by precedent.

https://www.rawcharge.com/2018/9/14/17860750/tampa-bay-lightning-moving-on-from-jake-dotchin-nhl-contract-termination-julien-brisebois-news

Looks like there is a pattern of behaviour and he used up his last strike.

I'm not seeing what you are in that link that substantially moves it away from what CtB said.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 14, 2018, 02:23:16 PM

'Conditioning' is definitely team-speak to sanitize the situation. Contract termination due to material breach is what really gives it away, if we're going by precedent.

https://www.rawcharge.com/2018/9/14/17860750/tampa-bay-lightning-moving-on-from-jake-dotchin-nhl-contract-termination-julien-brisebois-news

Looks like there is a pattern of behaviour and he used up his last strike.

I'm not seeing what you are in that link that substantially moves it away from what CtB said.

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Almost a year ago today, the Lightning announced Dotchin wouldnt play a preseason game after he violated a team rule. Heres what was written from last years Quick Strikes: [Raw Charge (https://www.rawcharge.com/2017/9/25/16359438/quick-strikes-jake-dotchin-violated-an-unspecified-team-rule)]

What is going on with Jake Dotchin? Joe Smith posed that question to the organization, and got this puzzling response: Dotchin, 23, violated an unspecified team rule, according to the Lightning. The infraction wont impact his spot on the roster or standing with the organization. Dotchin has continued to practice, including Sunday afternoon. [Tampa Bay Times]

The unplayable 'condition' is not fatness, is what I'm surmising.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 14, 2018, 02:26:09 PM
The unplayable 'condition' is not fatness, is what I'm surmising.

I think CtB was probably being facetious there with "fatty" but that's a big leap I know.

You may have missed the larger point though.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 14, 2018, 02:29:53 PM
The unplayable 'condition' is not fatness, is what I'm surmising.

I think CtB was probably being facetious there with "fatty" but that's a big leap I know.

You may have missed the larger point though.

You guys know I can't handle that many layers of snarkasm. I get it (now).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 17, 2018, 12:08:12 PM

For the second year in a row, the Habs are taking their big offseason trade acquisition and playing him out of position.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 17, 2018, 12:08:49 PM

For the second year in a row, the Habs are taking their big offseason trade acquisition and playing him out of position.

Dunk contest?

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 19, 2018, 10:59:23 AM
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"I know that there have been reports out there that suggested his body fat was as high as 25 per cent. I don't know if those numbers are accurate," McKenzie told First Up on TSN 1050 Toronto. "What I can tell you, and what I do believe is accurate, is that he was a good 30 to 35 pounds above his playing weight. So I don't know what percentage body fat he was, but I can tell you that the relative expectations of what the Lightning expect him to play at versus what he showed up as, it was a good 30 pounds."

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-dotchin-showed-up-30lbs-overweight-1.1175694

If Ottawa was smart they'd put Bobby Ryan on a diet consisting entirely of cheeseburgers and milkshakes.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 19, 2018, 11:35:29 AM
Quote
"I know that there have been reports out there that suggested his body fat was as high as 25 per cent. I don't know if those numbers are accurate," McKenzie told First Up on TSN 1050 Toronto. "What I can tell you, and what I do believe is accurate, is that he was a good 30 to 35 pounds above his playing weight. So I don't know what percentage body fat he was, but I can tell you that the relative expectations of what the Lightning expect him to play at versus what he showed up as, it was a good 30 pounds."

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-dotchin-showed-up-30lbs-overweight-1.1175694

If Ottawa was smart they'd put Bobby Ryan on a diet consisting entirely of cheeseburgers and milkshakes.
I doubt they'll get away with terminating the contract because he's out of a shape?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on September 19, 2018, 11:58:00 AM
Quote
"I know that there have been reports out there that suggested his body fat was as high as 25 per cent. I don't know if those numbers are accurate," McKenzie told First Up on TSN 1050 Toronto. "What I can tell you, and what I do believe is accurate, is that he was a good 30 to 35 pounds above his playing weight. So I don't know what percentage body fat he was, but I can tell you that the relative expectations of what the Lightning expect him to play at versus what he showed up as, it was a good 30 pounds."

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-dotchin-showed-up-30lbs-overweight-1.1175694

If Ottawa was smart they'd put Bobby Ryan on a diet consisting entirely of cheeseburgers and milkshakes.
I doubt they'll get away with terminating the contract because he's out of a shape?

Depends on how it's worded in the SPC.  Which for Tampa to say it's for Material Breach of Contract, there must be something in the contract relating to fitness level.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 19, 2018, 10:24:17 PM

Montreal's new 1C, everybody.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on September 19, 2018, 10:31:13 PM

Montreal's new 1C, everybody.
I bet Tie shed a tear of joy. "My boy" *bites lip*
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 19, 2018, 10:32:24 PM

Montreal's new 1C, everybody.
I bet Tie shed a tear of joy. "My boy" *bites lip to draw a high sticking double minor, and smashes forehead on the dasher to really sell it*

FTFY
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on September 20, 2018, 06:26:34 AM
I wonder if Bergevin actually watches hockey? AZ tried Domi at center last year and It was an epic fail, now Montreal intends to play him as number 1 center?? Then again they just traded for a jr winger they intend to play at center as well.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 20, 2018, 08:28:26 AM

He probably won't get any regular season games, which is dumb, but on the other hand having to open the season going head-to-head against Matthews/Tavares/Kadri seems like a fair punishment.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 20, 2018, 09:13:52 AM
Haven't heard the term "Dummy Domi" in a while. Truly a meatball play.

Reminds me of David Clarkson's start with the Leafs when he jumped the boards to be the sixth guy and earned himself a 10 game suspension.

Remember when Kessel got laid out is first game as a Leaf. The second it happened I was like, yep he's dead. I just assumed since it is the Leafs, the worst possible scenario.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7oSeuyp3bk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7oSeuyp3bk)
20 second mark
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bill_Berg on September 20, 2018, 09:16:56 AM
Glad he's not going to be elbowing people in the face for us!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 20, 2018, 09:49:42 AM
Quote
"I know that there have been reports out there that suggested his body fat was as high as 25 per cent. I don't know if those numbers are accurate," McKenzie told First Up on TSN 1050 Toronto. "What I can tell you, and what I do believe is accurate, is that he was a good 30 to 35 pounds above his playing weight. So I don't know what percentage body fat he was, but I can tell you that the relative expectations of what the Lightning expect him to play at versus what he showed up as, it was a good 30 pounds."

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-dotchin-showed-up-30lbs-overweight-1.1175694

If Ottawa was smart they'd put Bobby Ryan on a diet consisting entirely of cheeseburgers and milkshakes.
I doubt they'll get away with terminating the contract because he's out of a shape?

Depends on how it's worded in the SPC.  Which for Tampa to say it's for Material Breach of Contract, there must be something in the contract relating to fitness level.
Jeff O'Neil admitted on the radio he showed up to camp way overweight and Paul Maurice told him that he would have cut him loose if Antropov wasn't hurt.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on September 20, 2018, 11:10:00 AM
Quote
"I know that there have been reports out there that suggested his body fat was as high as 25 per cent. I don't know if those numbers are accurate," McKenzie told First Up on TSN 1050 Toronto. "What I can tell you, and what I do believe is accurate, is that he was a good 30 to 35 pounds above his playing weight. So I don't know what percentage body fat he was, but I can tell you that the relative expectations of what the Lightning expect him to play at versus what he showed up as, it was a good 30 pounds."

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-dotchin-showed-up-30lbs-overweight-1.1175694

If Ottawa was smart they'd put Bobby Ryan on a diet consisting entirely of cheeseburgers and milkshakes.
I doubt they'll get away with terminating the contract because he's out of a shape?

Depends on how it's worded in the SPC.  Which for Tampa to say it's for Material Breach of Contract, there must be something in the contract relating to fitness level.
Jeff O'Neil admitted on the radio he showed up to camp way overweight and Paul Maurice told him that he would have cut him loose if Antropov wasn't hurt.

Jeff "Snacks" O'Neill
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: leafsjunkie on September 20, 2018, 11:34:51 AM
Quote
"I know that there have been reports out there that suggested his body fat was as high as 25 per cent. I don't know if those numbers are accurate," McKenzie told First Up on TSN 1050 Toronto. "What I can tell you, and what I do believe is accurate, is that he was a good 30 to 35 pounds above his playing weight. So I don't know what percentage body fat he was, but I can tell you that the relative expectations of what the Lightning expect him to play at versus what he showed up as, it was a good 30 pounds."

https://www.tsn.ca/mckenzie-dotchin-showed-up-30lbs-overweight-1.1175694

If Ottawa was smart they'd put Bobby Ryan on a diet consisting entirely of cheeseburgers and milkshakes.
I doubt they'll get away with terminating the contract because he's out of a shape?

Depends on how it's worded in the SPC.  Which for Tampa to say it's for Material Breach of Contract, there must be something in the contract relating to fitness level.
Jeff O'Neil admitted on the radio he showed up to camp way overweight and Paul Maurice told him that he would have cut him loose if Antropov wasn't hurt.

Jeff "Snacks" O'Neill

"Is there ketchup on that?"
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 20, 2018, 11:52:23 AM

He probably won't get any regular season games, which is dumb, but on the other hand having to open the season going head-to-head against Matthews/Tavares/Kadri seems like a fair punishment.
Tie got 8 games for his sucker punch to Ulf. Max should get 10 but probably won't. There is no room for this crap in hockey anymore.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 20, 2018, 04:26:16 PM

He probably won't get any regular season games, which is dumb, but on the other hand having to open the season going head-to-head against Matthews/Tavares/Kadri seems like a fair punishment.


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Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 20, 2018, 04:48:45 PM

He probably won't get any regular season games, which is dumb, but on the other hand having to open the season going head-to-head against Matthews/Tavares/Kadri seems like a fair punishment.


(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/7/76/Boo.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120820220526)
Big deal. Costs him nothing. The NHL dropped the ball again. Could have sent a good message but didn't.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 20, 2018, 07:38:45 PM

He probably won't get any regular season games, which is dumb, but on the other hand having to open the season going head-to-head against Matthews/Tavares/Kadri seems like a fair punishment.



(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/7/76/Boo.gif/revision/latest?cb=20120820220526)






Getting regular season games suspension for something that happened in the pre-season (especially when the pre-season has begun) is the way to go.

If this had happened in the last to second last game of the pre-season, then it may be more reasonable to give the player a couple of regular season games suspension.

In actuality, I am surprised not at the suspension, but at Domi's careless actions.  Then again, maybe he figured since it was pre-season, he could get away with it or just didn't care for the end result.
If he had still been with Arizona, and an incident like this had happened, being suspended and not playing in pre-season games probably would not have had much impact on his eventual playing (due to familiarity of team (mates), linemates, play structure/strategy and other variables, etc.).  But being with a new team, it's a whole different level (unless one is an experienced veteran), to adjust and become familiar as well as comfortable to set & blend in.

So, dumb play, Max.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on September 20, 2018, 07:39:04 PM
Finally saw it. That was a 15 game reg season suspension as far as I'm concerned. Pathetic.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 20, 2018, 08:04:17 PM
There are guys that play in the preseason that wont make the team so its a a hard call to make.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 20, 2018, 10:46:41 PM
There are guys that play in the preseason that wont make the team so its a a hard call to make.
No it's not. They're playing in the NHL for the preseason so you simply suspend them for the preseason and whatever games of regular season in the NHL. Simple as that. So if this player ever does make the NHL, they will still face a suspension before being allowed to play.
Like Gord Miller said on Leafs Lunch. What would the suspension be if that was McDavid or Matthews or Crosby he hit?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 21, 2018, 11:35:23 AM

I know it's pre-season and all but I'm pretty excited to see what Kovalchuk does this season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on September 21, 2018, 12:44:58 PM
No it's not. They're playing in the NHL for the preseason so you simply suspend them for the preseason and whatever games of regular season in the NHL. Simple as that. So if this player ever does make the NHL, they will still face a suspension before being allowed to play.

Exactly. Just because they may never actually serve the suspension is no reason not to hand out appropriate punishment.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 21, 2018, 01:50:41 PM
No it's not. They're playing in the NHL for the preseason so you simply suspend them for the preseason and whatever games of regular season in the NHL. Simple as that. So if this player ever does make the NHL, they will still face a suspension before being allowed to play.

Exactly. Just because they may never actually serve the suspension is no reason not to hand out appropriate punishment.

The tricky part here is the CBA stipulations surrounding suspensions. It was an event that they determined only warranted a phone hearing (no injury, match penalty already assessed, no active prior history -- his last suspension was more than 18 months ago), which caps the suspension amount automatically at 5. The CBA also unfortunately does not differentiate between preseason and regular season games in calculating suspensions.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on September 22, 2018, 11:17:39 AM

I know it's pre-season and all but I'm pretty excited to see what Kovalchuk does this season.

As a talent he's a Hall of Fame Player.  What does he need to do over his final NHL run to make that happen?  Right now he's sitting at 816 points in 816 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 22, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
Poor Aaron Eckblad, face and all:


For something like this to happen in the preseason?  Max Domi was apologetic and he should be:

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I feel bad about it, Domi told reporters at the Canadiens practice facility. Its not the way I wanted to handle that. Its an emotional game and, obviously, Im an emotional player. I feel bad about it and hope hes OK. But, I have to suffer the consequences of it."
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on September 22, 2018, 06:48:15 PM
It was a stupid apology - your quote missed where he said "by no means did I want to hurt him" (cause of course, you rarely hurt anyone by sucker punching someone in the face). Ridiculous.

But to be honest, Ekblad's response is pretty ill advised as well. Saying publicly that scores will be settled later is a great way to call DOPS attention out.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 24, 2018, 08:37:14 AM
When to pull or when not to pull the goaltender:  Of Malcolm Gladwell's "Revisionist History" (podcast) & the analytical, statistical, and mathematical model used by two math whizzes in determining the above...

For subscribers to The Athletic:

For non-subscribers:
http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/27-malcolm-gladwell-s-12-rules-for-life (http://revisionisthistory.com/episodes/27-malcolm-gladwell-s-12-rules-for-life) -- click on link in the webpage entitled "Pulling the Goalie: Hockey and Investment Implications"

Or just click here:  (PDF or download format)
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3132563 (https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3132563)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 24, 2018, 11:18:32 AM

Well I'm not sleeping ever again.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 24, 2018, 11:27:15 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dn3nuKgUcAEZXkr.jpg:large)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on September 24, 2018, 11:45:15 AM
And just think, there was an entire group of people who thought this was a good idea.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 24, 2018, 04:04:15 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 24, 2018, 08:35:50 PM
What a magnificent debut:
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 24, 2018, 11:21:55 PM
Oh noes, you must all suffer with me.

Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 25, 2018, 01:30:17 AM

Shea Theodore signed. 7 years/5.2 AAV
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2018, 09:03:44 AM


You know I was starting to get on board with Gritty but an official NHL account associating themselves with Barstool on the same day THIS article comes out is pretty disappointing:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-barstool-sports-culture-of-online-hate-they-treat-sexual-harassment-and-cyberbullying-as-a-game
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 25, 2018, 10:13:42 AM

Shea Theodore signed. 7 years/5.2 AAV
Wow, seems high, how much is Gardiner worth 7M? I don't want Gardiner at his market price.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on September 25, 2018, 01:12:45 PM

Shea Theodore signed. 7 years/5.2 AAV
Wow, seems high, how much is Gardiner worth 7M? I don't want Gardiner at his market price.

Vegas is in a different team cap situation though as their highest paid player will be $7M when Patcioretty's contract kicks in next season.  They can afford to give him a bit more to bet on the player.  Maybe in a few years it looks like a good deal if he progresses.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on September 25, 2018, 02:07:18 PM
Probably should have come in closer to $4.5m but who am I to call George McPhee a bad GM? His record speaks for himself.

Probably won't be bad in a couple years.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2018, 04:26:23 PM
You know I was starting to get on board with Gritty but an official NHL account associating themselves with Barstool on the same day THIS article comes out is pretty disappointing:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-barstool-sports-culture-of-online-hate-they-treat-sexual-harassment-and-cyberbullying-as-a-game
Form the founder of Deadspin, Will Leitch:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/09/what-fresh-kind-of-hell-is-barstool-sports.html

Quote
It does seem like the piece which didnt actually provide a ton of new information for anyone who has been paying attention, but is so well-organized that the case it makes against the site is overwhelming might be a bit of a tipping point for the site. Barstool partners who had only been paying casual attention as long as the Millennial Ad Dollars were rolling in may finally recognize the monsters theyve been dealing with. (That they, and we, may only now be reaching this point, because a white man has written about it in a major publication, when women have been telling us about Barstool for years, is its own indictment of myself, as well.)

How disappointed are you that Rielly and Matthews both follow Barstool/Portnoy on Twitter?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 25, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
How disappointed are you that Rielly and Matthews both follow Barstool/Portnoy on Twitter?

They're in their early 20's and when I was that age I definitely read some sites that, if they weren't as toxic as Barstool is with regards to harassment, definitely splashed around in some of the same sexist waters as barstool.

That said if you're going to be a hockey fan you more or less need to make your peace with the fact that most of these guys are meatheads and assume they are until they establish otherwise.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 25, 2018, 06:23:11 PM
How disappointed are you that Rielly and Matthews both follow Barstool/Portnoy on Twitter?

They're in their early 20's and when I was that age I definitely read some sites that, if they weren't as toxic as Barstool is with regards to harassment, definitely splashed around in some of the same sexist waters as barstool.

That said if you're going to be a hockey fan you more or less need to make your peace with the fact that most of these guys are meatheads and assume they are until they establish otherwise.

Thats fair. Ive said similar in the past what with their education paths veering straight into their very white, male-dominated careers. They are in the exact demographic these groups target (Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro as well).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2018, 06:57:47 PM
How disappointed are you that Rielly and Matthews both follow Barstool/Portnoy on Twitter?

Until proven otherwise I'm gonna go ahead and assume they don't find the targeted harassment of women (and all the other crap Portnoy does) hilarious, but yeah I do think anyone who supports them in any way deserves scrutiny. Even if it's just to a small degree. Personally I'm obviously well past the point of viewing hockey players as heroes (except SDA, naturally) so I don't exactly hold their personal beliefs to a very high standard.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 25, 2018, 07:14:07 PM
Thats fair. Ive said similar in the past what with their education paths veering straight into their very white, male-dominated careers. They are in the exact demographic these groups target (Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro as well).

Sure, except from what I know about those two guys a big chunk of their appeal is the superficial veneer of intellectualism that they cover their retrograde nonsense in. With most hockey players I'd imagine that would come off as bookish and, to be fair, that's the real sort of lunkhead demographic barstool seems to embrace.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 26, 2018, 08:40:20 AM

A couple of worthwhile pieces from ESPN ranking every team's forwards and defensemen:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24784519/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-defenseman-group (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24784519/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-defenseman-group)

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24774821/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-forward-group (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24774821/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-forward-group)

It has the Leafs with the #2 Forward Group and #17 Defensive Group in the league, both of which seem like pretty fair rankings.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 26, 2018, 12:26:35 PM

Brandon Sad.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 26, 2018, 06:26:36 PM

Corey Perry will apparently miss most of the year:

https://www.tsn.ca/ducks-perry-knee-out-five-months-1.1181181 (https://www.tsn.ca/ducks-perry-knee-out-five-months-1.1181181)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 26, 2018, 06:44:46 PM

A couple of worthwhile pieces from ESPN ranking every team's forwards and defensemen:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24784519/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-defenseman-group (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24784519/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-defenseman-group)

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24774821/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-forward-group (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/24774821/nhl-ranking-all-31-teams-their-forward-group)

It has the Leafs with the #2 Forward Group and #17 Defensive Group in the league, both of which seem like pretty fair rankings.

Are they really that far down on the defense chart? I'm not challenging, just asking is all.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 26, 2018, 07:02:16 PM
Are they really that far down on the defense chart? I'm not challenging, just asking is all.

I think on that list there are a few teams above them you could question if they're really better(Pittsburgh, Columbus, Washington, Boston) but I think there are a few teams below them who might be just as good as well(Chicago, Florida, Vegas). So I don't know if it's exact but I think it's roughly right.

The thing to remember is that a ranking like this is mostly based on what we saw from players last year and in the case of the Leafs, with a young defense, how good they end up being will depend a lot on the growth of guys like Zaitsev, Rielly and Dermott.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 26, 2018, 10:34:23 PM

Apropos of nothing but as I read through those rankings I realized that one of my top Non-Leafs things that I'm most looking forward to about the season will be getting to watch Erik Karlsson and not be rooting against him reflexively. Divorced from his association with the Sens he's a uniquely fun player to watch and seems like a decent enough guy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 27, 2018, 05:59:11 AM

Apropos of nothing but as I read through those rankings I realized that one of my top Non-Leafs things that I'm most looking forward to about the season will be getting to watch Erik Karlsson and not be rooting against him reflexively. Divorced from his association with the Sens he's a uniquely fun player to watch and seems like a decent enough guy.

Good point. I had never thought of that.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on September 27, 2018, 08:24:09 AM

Apropos of nothing but as I read through those rankings I realized that one of my top Non-Leafs things that I'm most looking forward to about the season will be getting to watch Erik Karlsson and not be rooting against him reflexively. Divorced from his association with the Sens he's a uniquely fun player to watch and seems like a decent enough guy.

I genuinely feel bad for their fans at this point.  That being said, I'm rooting for them to win the draft lottery for the comedy of giving up their pick to Colorado.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 27, 2018, 08:36:56 AM
I genuinely feel bad for their fans at this point.  That being said, I'm rooting for them to win the draft lottery for the comedy of giving up their pick to Colorado.

See, now I'm trying to imagine a scenario where I feel bad for sens fans.

Honestly, I'd be fine with them moving.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on September 27, 2018, 08:47:13 AM

Apropos of nothing but as I read through those rankings I realized that one of my top Non-Leafs things that I'm most looking forward to about the season will be getting to watch Erik Karlsson and not be rooting against him reflexively. Divorced from his association with the Sens he's a uniquely fun player to watch and seems like a decent enough guy.

I genuinely feel bad for their fans at this point.  That being said, I'm rooting for them to win the draft lottery for the comedy of giving up their pick to Colorado.

We basically went through the same thing!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 27, 2018, 08:51:32 AM
I genuinely feel bad for their fans at this point.  That being said, I'm rooting for them to win the draft lottery for the comedy of giving up their pick to Colorado.

My dream scenario is Colorado getting the 1st overall pick and signing at least two of Karlsson, Duchene, and Stone in the offseason.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on September 27, 2018, 09:29:59 AM

Apropos of nothing but as I read through those rankings I realized that one of my top Non-Leafs things that I'm most looking forward to about the season will be getting to watch Erik Karlsson and not be rooting against him reflexively. Divorced from his association with the Sens he's a uniquely fun player to watch and seems like a decent enough guy.

I genuinely feel bad for their fans at this point.  That being said, I'm rooting for them to win the draft lottery for the comedy of giving up their pick to Colorado.

We basically went through the same thing!
Trading for Kessel and finishing 2nd last with no 1st rounders for the next 2 drafts... Thank god for the Shannaplan, a true rebuild.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 27, 2018, 10:16:33 AM

Well, this is a weird one:

https://deadspin.com/flyers-jori-lehtera-named-as-suspect-in-cocaine-ring-1829356673 (https://deadspin.com/flyers-jori-lehtera-named-as-suspect-in-cocaine-ring-1829356673)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on September 27, 2018, 05:47:23 PM

Well, this is a weird one:

https://deadspin.com/flyers-jori-lehtera-named-as-suspect-in-cocaine-ring-1829356673 (https://deadspin.com/flyers-jori-lehtera-named-as-suspect-in-cocaine-ring-1829356673)

Philly isn't in a cap crunch but I guess being Tony Montana would be a way to get out of his contract?

Cue up Pierre Dorion being forced to leave dime bags in the lockerroom stalls.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on September 28, 2018, 11:23:27 AM

Wasn't entirely sure where to put this but here's a nice story:

https://deadspin.com/team-usa-hockey-captain-marries-canadian-rival-bringin-1829388048 (https://deadspin.com/team-usa-hockey-captain-marries-canadian-rival-bringin-1829388048)

Mazel tov to the happy couple.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 28, 2018, 06:07:48 PM

Wasn't entirely sure where to put this but here's a nice story:

https://deadspin.com/team-usa-hockey-captain-marries-canadian-rival-bringin-1829388048 (https://deadspin.com/team-usa-hockey-captain-marries-canadian-rival-bringin-1829388048)

Mazel tov to the happy couple.

These are great. Wasn't there a similar rivalry-turned-romance with the national soccer teams? Yes (https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/eh-game/erin-mcleod-ella-masar-canada-united-states-marriage-150047694-soccer.html)!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 28, 2018, 06:22:07 PM

*weeps quietly
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on September 28, 2018, 06:27:05 PM
Wait for Marincin to be waived...herman is going to be a mess.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 28, 2018, 11:16:04 PM
Shower thought: is Gritty the guy who ran the Vegas Twitter account?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 29, 2018, 12:02:13 AM
*weeps quietly

For Peter Holland, amiright? Damn I thought he was going to be a solid player.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on September 29, 2018, 12:32:06 AM
*weeps quietly

For Peter Holland, amiright? Damn I thought he was going to be a solid player.

Twas the name I saw first, actually.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 01, 2018, 10:36:34 AM

Everyone knew this was going to happen eventually when the trade was made.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 01, 2018, 10:37:41 AM

Well, if I've criticized the Leafs for seemingly fetishizing the role of captain for no reason there's no denying that the Habs are firmly at the other end of that spectrum.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Hobbes on October 01, 2018, 12:09:56 PM
Craig Button's take on Leafs lunch: "Habs signalling to the rest of the league that Weber is available on trade" :D
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on October 01, 2018, 12:31:02 PM
Isn't he injured?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Andy on October 01, 2018, 12:33:18 PM
Isn't he injured?

I think the joke here is that Montreal keeps trading their captains ;)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2018, 10:09:16 AM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/qa-marc-bergevin-trades-attitude-carey-price/

This Eric Engels interview with Marc Bergevin was really good. Engels doesn't really pull his punches. Bergevin however goes into full defensive mode because of it... never once accepting any blame really for any of the Habs' failures the past couple seasons. He blames the teams compete level, he blames the top scorers for not scoring, he blames Radulov for not being loyal to the Habs, he blames Markov for not accepting the contract offer Bergevin offered him. He also talks about how he was forced to overpay for Alzner, he gets asked to name his worst transaction and dances around the question, he states that his best transaction was a waiver pick-up that he even admits they were lucky to get. It's truly an amazing interview.

And yet the most amazing thing Bergevin's said publicly today wasn't from that interview, it was from a RDS radio hit:


Please Molson, never fire this guy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2018, 01:28:39 PM
This is my kind of jam

https://theathletic.com/553200/2018/10/02/blade-whisperers-on-ice-tests-and-a-tijuana-trip-how-an-nhl-player-is-fitted-with-the-perfect-stick/

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The way [Kevan] Miller and Adam Oates, his skills coach, see the situation, the old Warrior stick the Bruins defenseman was using on March 5, 2016, put his livelihood at risk. When Brad Marchand sent a rim around the TD Garden boards, Miller could not pick the puck cleanly off the wall. As Miller bobbled the puck, he exposed himself to be trucked by a lethal opponent: Alex Ovechkin, the 6-foot-3, 235-pound puck predator.

[...]

Oates was watching. In the ex-Bruins opinion, the curve and lie of Millers stick prevented the defenseman from settling the puck. So through Peter Fish, Millers agent, Oates offered his services, which included a suggestion: a new stick.

Miller listened. He tried a Warrior model with dimensions per Oatess recommendations. It was a career-changing revelation.

What were the differences?

How you carry the puck, how you pass, how you shoot, Miller said. It makes you stand up more. You see the ice differently. You see angles differently. Honestly, it changes how you skate. Its weird.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 02, 2018, 03:03:10 PM


And yet the most amazing thing Bergevin's said publicly today wasn't from that interview, it was from a RDS radio hit:


Please Molson, never fire this guy.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/12WiEhxaRofYje/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2018, 03:47:43 PM

Man if I was a NHLer I'd love being on a team that puts restrictions on how I spend my (very limited) free time.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
Vancouver: No more video games, this will be essential to our team success

Dubas: SHIELD POP DOWN! MITCHY, HOW ARE YOU ON MATS??? MOVE TOWARD THE BUBBLE GO GO GO
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 02, 2018, 03:55:26 PM
Dubas: SHIELD POP DOWN! MITCHY, HOW ARE YOU ON MATS??? MOVE TOWARD THE BUBBLE GO GO GO

Full disclosure I have no idea what any of this meant or if it makes sense, I just googled "fortnite terms".
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 02, 2018, 05:18:30 PM
Dubas: SHIELD POP DOWN! MITCHY, HOW ARE YOU ON MATS??? MOVE TOWARD THE BUBBLE GO GO GO

Full disclosure I have no idea what any of this meant or if it makes sense, I just googled "fortnite terms".

What's the bubble?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 02, 2018, 06:17:42 PM
Fortnite Battle Royale's are a timed 100 player shooting fest. As the time ticks down, the "eye of the storm" slowly shrinks. If you're caught in the storm you take damage. You're safe within the bubble that slowly shrinks. It forces you to get in on the action rather than hiding out on the edges.

I've never played, but my 9-year old does on occasion.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 02, 2018, 06:22:09 PM
Well, looks like barring arena issues, a Seattle NHL team is going to be a thing.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bettman-nhl-executive-committee-recommends-seattle-expansion/

Fits right into the 16th team in the West, but I have to think that Nashville would eventually want to move to the East.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 02, 2018, 07:45:11 PM
Well, looks like barring arena issues, a Seattle NHL team is going to be a thing.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bettman-nhl-executive-committee-recommends-seattle-expansion/

Fits right into the 16th team in the West, but I have to think that Nashville would eventually want to move to the East.

Would a team in Seattle not make their travel easier on them though. I'm sure they would like to move east but at least now, they'll get a couple more road games out of the way while visiting Vancouver.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 02, 2018, 08:47:43 PM

Man if I was a NHLer I'd love being on a team that puts restrictions on how I spend my (very limited) free time.

https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/up-close-and-personal-with-maple-leafs-gm-kyle-dubas

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Beards are back, Auston was just in a GQ magazine fashion layout. You seem to be in favour of player expression far more than Lou Lamoriello. He had rules such as rookies could not do national TV interviews. Can we expect more of that and do you see that approach as beneficial to the team?

We want them to have interests outside of hockey, to be able to express themselves as individuals. My philosophy has been if a person feels theyre at their best as an individual, theyre going to have their most to give to the team.

[...]

"I think players expressing themselves as individuals and having interests is great. I know some people would say Just focus on hockey, but hockey takes up four hours of their day. Theres 20 more hours that we need them to have fulfilment. If its fashion, clothing, golf, Fortnite, whatever, as long as theyre filling those other hours and were helping and encouraging them, I think theyll be better when coming to perform.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on October 03, 2018, 01:15:48 PM
Eichel: Coach, Player, GM, and now Captain too.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 03, 2018, 01:19:48 PM

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e5de4a228aa2cea438525a5562d93a1a/tenor.gif?itemid=4929742)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on October 03, 2018, 01:34:36 PM

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/e5de4a228aa2cea438525a5562d93a1a/tenor.gif?itemid=4929742)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/n8eU11XoQkuI0/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 03, 2018, 01:38:32 PM

Part of me thinks that's a decent burn but the other part thinks it's Laine trying to convince the Jets to let him keep playing the only thing keeping him sane in Winnipeg.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on October 03, 2018, 01:51:43 PM

Part of me thinks that's a decent burn but the other part thinks it's Laine trying to convince the Jets to let him keep playing the only thing keeping him sane in Winnipeg.

I'm not sure Laine is sane.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 04, 2018, 08:23:28 AM

Marchand threw about 3-4 punches here before Eller even dropped his gloves. All because he celebrated a goal.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 04, 2018, 11:47:56 AM

Has any team lost their captain to free agency two seasons in a row before?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on October 04, 2018, 12:03:23 PM

Has any team lost their captain to free agency two seasons in a row before?
He should resign now with NYI, will he ever get near 40 again without TavFARes?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on October 04, 2018, 01:31:51 PM

Marchand threw about 3-4 punches here before Eller even dropped his gloves. All because he celebrated a goal.
I do appreciate some self-policing in the game. 7-0 celebration was in bad form.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 04, 2018, 02:47:31 PM
Sure everyone is "Nylander not signed", "when's Nylander going to sign?" but who cries for Nick Ritchie?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 05, 2018, 11:43:27 AM

???
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 06, 2018, 01:15:11 PM
Why the hell are Edmonton and Jersey playing in Sweden?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 06, 2018, 03:57:38 PM
I get that a union is supposed to support their members but how do they justify appealing Wilson's suspension?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 06, 2018, 03:59:22 PM
I get that a union is supposed to support their members but how do they justify appealing Wilson's suspension?

I'm pretty sure it's solely Wilson's decision whether or not to appeal the suspension. The NHLPA is just the mechanism through which he does it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 06, 2018, 04:02:05 PM
I get that a union is supposed to support their members but how do they justify appealing Wilson's suspension?

I'm pretty sure it's solely Wilson's decision whether or not to appeal the suspension. The NHLPA is just the mechanism through which he does it.

Yup I'd assume you're correct. It's just mind boggling that NHL players are asking for support to keep their noggins safe then a player like Wilson has the balls to appeal a clear attempt to decapitate a player.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 06, 2018, 04:16:57 PM
Yup I'd assume you're correct. It's just mind boggling that NHL players are asking for support to keep their noggins safe then a player like Wilson has the balls to appeal a clear attempt to decapitate a player.

Yeah, well, the problem with the system as it currently works is that the guys most likely to get suspended are the guys with bad enough senses of right and wrong to then object to their suspensions.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 06, 2018, 06:25:01 PM
Ken Campbell's fawning profile ofWilson in the current print edition of The Hockey News is pretty embarrassing. On and on  he goes about how Wilson respects the game, the DOPS, never intends to injure, doesn't want to watch from the stands blah blah blah. He ought to issue a formal retraction.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 06, 2018, 08:51:08 PM
Ken Campbell's fawning profile ofWilson in the current print edition of The Hockey News is pretty embarrassing. On and on  he goes about how Wilson respects the game, the DOPS, never intends to injure, doesn't want to watch from the stands blah blah blah. He ought to issue a formal retraction.

... Tom Wilson?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 09, 2018, 11:45:04 AM

Man, this is like his 3rd or 4th concussion.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 09, 2018, 11:47:25 AM

Man, this is like his 3rd or 4th concussion.

Get your money while you can, I guess.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
Carolina, Toronto, and San Jose have all played 4 games so far... Edmonton, New Jersey, Tampa, and Florida have only played ONE. At least in the case of Edmonton and New Jersey it's because they played their opener over in Sweden, but I don't get Tampa and Florida here. They both opened the season on the 6th (against each other) and don't play their 2nd game until tomorrow. Since the NHL season technically kicked off on the 3rd that means they'll have played just 1 game in the first 8 days of the season. Weird.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2018, 06:27:34 PM

If literally every single team with a suspended player doesn't do this now then they're dumb.

The NHL! Where the rules matter! Sometimes! Sorta.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 11, 2018, 09:07:40 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2018, 09:17:56 AM

Interesting. Per that thread apparently Schmidt is also in the same boat during his suspension. Which still doesn't make sense... but at least they're consistent.

I definitely recall cases where teams didn't have room to call up players because of a small suspension though... so I don't get why the NHL will seemingly only allow this for the worst perpetrators. Suspensions SHOULD be hurting the team as much as the player.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 11, 2018, 09:38:34 AM

Interesting. Per that thread apparently Schmidt is also in the same boat during his suspension. Which still doesn't make sense... but at least they're consistent.

I definitely recall cases where teams didn't have room to call up players because of a small suspension though... so I don't get why the NHL will seemingly only allow this for the worst perpetrators. Suspensions SHOULD be hurting the team as much as the player.

I don't disagree. Maybe those other cases were teams following the letter of the law, rather than pushing the boundaries of the law. It's not as if the teams are inculpable to the suspension-worthy offenses (in Schmidt's case, maybe... as it's not the team systemically juicing its players).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2018, 10:34:02 AM
It's not as if the teams are inculpable to the suspension-worthy offenses (in Schmidt's case, maybe... as it's not the team systemically juicing its players).

Even in Schmidt's case... his defence was that he never took anything that wasn't given to him by his team.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 11, 2018, 04:03:02 PM
I don't see why teams would do this for short suspensions. Why have someone sit in the pressbox and count towards the cap if the suspended player is also counting towards the cap? Teams can handle having one less roster player for a short time, but not for 40 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 11, 2018, 10:59:14 PM

Don't look now but Vegas might not be great.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: disco on October 13, 2018, 01:04:40 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 13, 2018, 07:51:49 PM
How the game has changed: From the past to the present, how the young talent has embraced the game to make it among the fastest and most skilled of any era.

Some points:

- no more enforcer (meaning more emphasis on skilled talent)
Quote
For todays young, skilled players, suddenly the shackles are kinda off. They grew up learning to create that space and now they suddenly find themselves with room they hadnt previously been allotted, plus the skills they developed in the muck.

- better equipment (skates plus sticks, sticks, sticks).  Also, individual customization helps players develop their own personal way of best utilizing it to suit their own unique skills.
Quote
Theyve learned the feel, how they operate and how to best manipulate them to make their shots as dangerous as possible.

- greater training techniques -- power, cardio, and  muscle training, and nutrition

- whole team offensive talent
Quote
If everyone on your team has offensive skill a major emphasis of this generation of players everyone improves because you can use each and everyone and trust theyll all do something good with the puck.


Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2018, 09:45:02 PM
This wasn't a penalty:


Some added context: Pettersson deked the pants off Matheson just seconds prior to this, so clearly Matheson was looking for some revenge. Pettersson left the game with an injury. With the way he fell onto the ice I'd guess shoulder.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 13, 2018, 09:46:56 PM
This wasn't a penalty:


Some added context: Pettersson deked the pants off Matheson just seconds prior to this, so clearly Matheson was looking for some revenge. Pettersson left the game with an injury. With the way he fell onto the ice I'd guess shoulder.

I don't like this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 13, 2018, 09:52:37 PM

Good one Randy!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 13, 2018, 10:38:31 PM

Good one Randy!

I have something to add:
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 13, 2018, 11:07:54 PM
Apparently the Pettersson injury is a head injury.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on October 13, 2018, 11:22:25 PM
This wasn't a penalty:


Some added context: Pettersson deked the pants off Matheson just seconds prior to this, so clearly Matheson was looking for some revenge. Pettersson left the game with an injury. With the way he fell onto the ice I'd guess shoulder.

It's been a while since I've seen someone attempt to give a Rock Bottom.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 14, 2018, 06:48:23 AM
Apparently the Pettersson injury is a head injury.

Looks like he smacked the side of his head on the ice.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 14, 2018, 08:34:28 AM
Apparently the Pettersson injury is a head injury.

Looks like he smacked the side of his head on the ice.
Concussion is most likely. He was totally out of it trying to get up off the ice. Not a good scene at all
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 14, 2018, 11:54:34 AM
Glad to hear the DOPS is reviewing that body slam. Should be a suspension but more than likely will end up being a fine which is pretty sad.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 14, 2018, 12:35:21 PM
I'm actually a little surprised he's having a hearing. I think it definitely warrants a suspension, particularly because it was pretty clearly a revenge-hit/chokeslam... I just didn't expect the NHL to do it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 16, 2018, 01:41:34 AM
Hockey, Tim Hortons, & Kenya:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 16, 2018, 07:37:00 PM
Post-millennials in the workforce

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 16, 2018, 09:09:07 PM
Sorry vegetarians, but this whole thread takes the porchetta.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on October 16, 2018, 11:49:15 PM
Sorry vegetarians, but this whole thread takes the porchetta.


Is that herman and Seth Griffith in that picture?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 17, 2018, 07:36:19 AM
Sorry vegetarians, but this whole thread takes the porchetta.


Is that herman and Seth Griffith in that picture?

I dont know how they couldve possibly missed that one.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on October 17, 2018, 09:55:56 AM
An interesting read, based upon today's law change in Canada, in relation to the legalisation of marijuana in Canada and its use or potential use by players

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/marijuana-use-players-story/
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 17, 2018, 11:57:54 AM

I definitely think this was on purpose.

edit: Apparently he's too modest to take credit for that sick play:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 17, 2018, 01:33:09 PM
Of course Anaheim would sign Jake Dotchin

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on October 17, 2018, 04:26:15 PM

I definitely think this was on purpose.

edit: Apparently he's too modest to take credit for that sick play:


I think you actually see him attempt to push the puck back. Either he did it on purpose or the player yelled for him to leave the fanned shot.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 17, 2018, 10:54:40 PM
Nick Ritchie has signed a 3 yr deal at 1.533M AAV.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on October 17, 2018, 10:58:00 PM
Hard to see why that couldn't get done months ago??
Nick Ritchie has signed a 3 yr deal at 1.533M AAV.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 17, 2018, 11:06:26 PM
Nick Ritchie has signed a 3 yr deal at 1.533M AAV.

Good, team friendly rate. Clearly cares about winning, being a good dressing room presence. Definitely should have picked him over Nylander.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 18, 2018, 10:45:55 AM
Nick Ritchie has signed a 3 yr deal at 1.533M AAV.

That's a low bridge.  Amazing it took so long, wonder what his camp was looking for?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 18, 2018, 09:19:54 PM

Calvin Pickard got rolled on this one.

This one is...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 19, 2018, 09:12:49 AM
Calvin Pickard got rolled on this one.

Pickard now has a 0.833 Sv% and 4.73 GAA in 3 games (2 starts) with Philly. That's obviously a crazy small sample size and even Sparks had rough numbers after 1 game, but watching some of the goals he let in I'm pretty confident he'll be available to the Marlies again once Neuvirth is back (which should be soon).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 19, 2018, 09:23:03 AM
Calvin Pickard got rolled on this one.

Pickard now has a 0.833 Sv% and 4.73 GAA in 3 games (2 starts) with Philly. That's obviously a crazy small sample size and even Sparks had rough numbers after 1 game, but watching some of the goals he let in I'm pretty confident he'll be available to the Marlies again once Neuvirth is back (which should be soon).

#4DChess
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: disco on October 19, 2018, 02:24:56 PM

Calvin Pickard got rolled on this one.

This one is...

That... may be the most Keystone Cops play I've ever scene. Guy trips over ice and flails around. Other D is lazily like "2-on-1 bro". Jean-Luc beaten low blocker on smoking backhand.

Edit: to be fair I think that patch of ice is cursed. Other guy in 2-on-1 fell down too.

Edit2: thanks for cheering me up after Leafs/Pens Herman.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 19, 2018, 08:45:52 PM

This is horrible. Dvorak was about a week away from returning from an injury.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 19, 2018, 08:51:42 PM
thanks for cheering me up after Leafs/Pens Herman.

That was all thanks to the Flyera
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 22, 2018, 02:40:28 PM

databases -- which are spreadsheets on steroids -- make the internet go 'round.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 24, 2018, 05:48:19 AM

Sid Crosby, still pretty good.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 24, 2018, 09:07:26 AM

Sid Crosby, still pretty good.

Poor Ryan Strome.

Earlier this season:
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 25, 2018, 08:45:13 AM

The Devils will have a sports betting lounge in their arena:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25079183/new-jersey-devils-sportsbook-style-lounge (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25079183/new-jersey-devils-sportsbook-style-lounge)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Andy on October 25, 2018, 10:08:13 AM
Schmidt gets (roughly) 6x6 from Vegas.

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/vegas-signs-suspended-d-nate-schmidt-35-7-072921454--nhl.html
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 25, 2018, 09:30:40 PM

Was Babcock's system holding back Roman Polak's offensive creativity?!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Coco-puffs on October 26, 2018, 10:27:44 AM

Was Babcock's system holding back Roman Polak's offensive creativity?!

No.  But the Leafs don't get to play Anaheim very often.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 26, 2018, 10:32:53 AM

Was Babcock's system holding back Roman Polak's offensive creativity?!

No.  But the Leafs don't get to play Anaheim very often.

Poor John Gibson, man. I think he's about to flip out.

Edit:
Everyone's about to flip out
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Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 26, 2018, 12:41:40 PM

John Ziegler has died.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 27, 2018, 08:06:40 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: harps64 on October 27, 2018, 04:21:01 PM
So this has been bothering me for a while. Goals scored are obviously the only stat that really matters, but most sites show shots on goal, pp opportunities, face offs won/lost and hits. While these stats are interesting, they provide little info as to which team was the dominating team. Are there not more revelant stats available? Puck possession, offensive puck possession?
Its also possible Im not going to the right websites.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on October 27, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
So this has been bothering me for a while. Goals scored are obviously the only stat that really matters, but most sites show shots on goal, pp opportunities, face offs won/lost and hits. While these stats are interesting, they provide little info as to which team was the dominating team. Are there not more revelant stats available? Puck possession, offensive puck possession?
Its also possible Im not going to the right websites.

Corsica.hockey for player and team season analytics
Naturalstattrick for game by game
Hockeyviz for visualizations of players and teams (easier to see structure and capabilities)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2018, 12:53:50 PM
So the Habs are 6-2-2 with wins over Pittsburgh (twice) and Boston. Price has a .922 Sv% and 2.13 GAA while Domi has 11 points in 10 games and Tatar and Drouin each have 8. Don't think anyone saw that start coming.

Pacioretty has just 2 points in 10 games with Vegas.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 28, 2018, 02:25:48 PM
So the Habs are 6-2-2 with wins over Pittsburgh (twice) and Boston. Price has a .922 Sv% and 2.13 GAA while Domi has 11 points in 10 games and Tatar and Drouin each have 8. Don't think anyone saw that start coming.

Pacioretty has just 2 points in 10 games with Vegas.
Anyone think they can maintain this over the year? I don't see it unless Price stands on his head.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 28, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
Anyone think they can maintain this over the year? I don't see it unless Price stands on his head.

Well I'd imagine their offensive numbers, particularly Domi's, will settle down a little bit as things get going. But to their credit their possession numbers are good (51.5%, 10th in the league) so that's a positive sign for them. I mean there's really no way they maintain that type of winning percentage throughout the year but if Price stands on his head (and really he's very capable of doing that) they could end up a lot higher in the standings than most predicted.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 28, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
Anyone think they can maintain this over the year? I don't see it unless Price stands on his head.

Well I'd imagine their offensive numbers, particularly Domi's, will settle down a little bit as things get going. But to their credit their possession numbers are good (51.5%, 10th in the league) so that's a positive sign for them. I mean there's really no way they maintain that type of winning percentage throughout the year but if Price stands on his head (and really he's very capable of doing that) they could end up a lot higher in the standings than most predicted.
Good, I want the Leafs to eliminate them in the playoffs
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on October 30, 2018, 01:11:23 PM
Apparently, the Hurricanes will go with 3 goalies.

https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843 (https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 30, 2018, 02:18:42 PM
Apparently, the Hurricanes will go with 3 goalies.

https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843 (https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843)
I don't think it will last. They'll wait until they're sure Darling is good and then someone is going.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on October 30, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
Apparently, the Hurricanes will go with 3 goalies.

https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843 (https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843)
I don't think it will last. They'll wait until they're sure Darling is good and then someone is going.

It's going to be Darling, isn't it?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on October 30, 2018, 02:41:12 PM
They can't unleash McBackup and his .892 save % to the rest of the league.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 30, 2018, 02:45:33 PM
Apparently, the Hurricanes will go with 3 goalies.

https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843 (https://www.tsn.ca/hurricanes-to-move-forward-with-3-goalies-1.1200843)
I don't think it will last. They'll wait until they're sure Darling is good and then someone is going.

It's going to be Darling, isn't it?

Both Mrazek and Mac have save percentages under .900 so it will be interesting to see what Darling does. He def has the biggest price tag.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2018, 09:08:52 AM

I think they meant most of Canada's sports teams, but yeah.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 31, 2018, 09:11:27 AM
I think they meant most of Canada's sports teams, but yeah.

You mean because they didn't mention the CFL?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2018, 09:17:46 AM
I think they meant most of Canada's sports teams, but yeah.

You mean because they didn't mention the CFL?

The what?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 31, 2018, 09:19:21 AM
The what?

I just figured they belonged on a list of charities.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2018, 09:20:49 AM
I just figured they belonged on a list of charities.

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/5/53/Ba_dum_tss.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 31, 2018, 09:22:27 AM

Seriously though, if the best a Sports team can do is 79% it doesn't look great for any of them.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 31, 2018, 09:26:48 AM
Seriously though, if the best a Sports team can do is 79% it doesn't look great for any of them.

The article mentioned "the average for all charities examined by CIC is 75 cents" so at least MLSE is a little above that. I don't know what the heck Calgary and Ottawa are doing. Oddly enough both of those teams are of course trying to get their cities to build them new arenas while boasting about how great they are with the community.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on October 31, 2018, 09:37:54 AM
Seriously though, if the best a Sports team can do is 79% it doesn't look great for any of them.

The article mentioned "the average for all charities examined by CIC is 75 cents" so at least MLSE is a little above that. I don't know what the heck Calgary and Ottawa are doing. Oddly enough both of those teams are of course trying to get their cities to build them new arenas while boasting about how great they are with the community.

Sure, but that average would include "charities" that are effectively frauds. The really top rate charities are at 90% or better.

So it's not terrible or anything but it's certainly not a number a non-profit sector person would hold up as an achievement.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 02, 2018, 01:06:38 PM

Jesus, when did Sportsnet turn into HFBoards?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on November 02, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
OK, this is greatness:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/01/sports/hockey/gritty-philadelphia-flyers.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/01/sports/hockey/gritty-philadelphia-flyers.html)

and even better

https://www.wsj.com/articles/antifa-appropriates-a-creepy-mascot-1538950061 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/antifa-appropriates-a-creepy-mascot-1538950061)

A "grotesquerie"?  Keep your Marxist hands off Gritty!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on November 02, 2018, 05:35:45 PM
So Gourde signed 6yr extension for 5.1M. Thoughts?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 03, 2018, 11:38:15 AM
So Gourde signed 6yr extension for 5.1M. Thoughts?

Really good for him and getting some recognition for the work he has put in. Pretty much all UFA years at price is quite good.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 03, 2018, 11:38:57 AM

Choke up for more control. That toe hook though...  :o
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 04, 2018, 08:51:56 PM
I dont know if its John Stevens fault that the Kings are committed to old, heavy players leading to team slowness, and that their starting goaltender is broken, but hes out 1 month into the season. Willie Desjardins is the interim coach now, with the intriguing addition of Marco Sturm as an assistant.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 06, 2018, 10:17:02 PM
Milan Lucic getting his own retribution after Tampa's Mathieu Joseph hit Kris Russell near the boards from behind (can't find video of that hit yet):


Lucic slashes him, tracks him around the ice, levels him despite not having the puck, and then proceeds to punch him in the head as Joseph lays on the ice. Lucic got 2 for interference, 2 for roughing, and a 10 minute misconduct.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 07, 2018, 02:10:21 AM
Reminiscent of those Gretzky-esque '80's days:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 07, 2018, 12:48:22 PM
Milan Lucic getting his own retribution after Tampa's Mathieu Joseph hit Kris Russell near the boards from behind (can't find video of that hit yet):


Lucic slashes him, tracks him around the ice, levels him despite not having the puck, and then proceeds to punch him in the head as Joseph lays on the ice. Lucic got 2 for interference, 2 for roughing, and a 10 minute misconduct.
I don't see any punches. Are they going to suspend him for stalking? Going to be an interesting call when Marchand got nothing for tracking down Ellars and pounding him. Which is worse?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 07, 2018, 01:29:03 PM
I don't see any punches. Are they going to suspend him for stalking? Going to be an interesting call when Marchand got nothing for tracking down Ellars and pounding him. Which is worse?


I mean it wasn't a knock-out punch but that sure looks like one at the end of that gif. Plus who the heck knows what he was doing after that when he was sitting on his body with the camera to his back. But yeah even regardless, "stalking" a player and then blindside hitting him without the puck as an act of clear retribution should be grounds for a suspension by itself.

The pretty obvious difference between this and the Marchand/Eller thing was that Eller wasn't lying defencelessly on the ice and was at least able to fight back (even if he absolutely didn't want to). Although personally yeah that would have been a suspension for me.

The league did announce that he'll have a phone hearing, so there will probably be some sort of suspension handed down.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 07, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
I don't see any punches. Are they going to suspend him for stalking? Going to be an interesting call when Marchand got nothing for tracking down Ellars and pounding him. Which is worse?


I mean it wasn't a knock-out punch but that sure looks like one at the end of that gif. Plus who the heck knows what he was doing after that when he was sitting on his body with the camera to his back. But yeah even regardless, "stalking" a player and then blindside hitting him without the puck as an act of clear retribution should be grounds for a suspension by itself.

The pretty obvious difference between this and the Marchand/Eller thing was that Eller wasn't lying defencelessly on the ice and was at least able to fight back (even if he absolutely didn't want to). Although personally yeah that would have been a suspension for me.

The league did announce that he'll have a phone hearing, so there will probably be some sort of suspension handed down.
Def better angle there. He'll probably get 2 games. More if he was throwing bombs.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 07, 2018, 04:35:01 PM
Haha.. Overdrive was discussing the Lucic fine. He got fined $10K for scaring a kid. Apparently Joseph was running around hitting anyone and everyone and was offered to dance a few times but kept turning it down so Lucic had enough. Like they said he scared him because he sure didn't punch him out because the kid would still be laying there. They basically called the fine a joke. Said if you're going to go around being a big man hitting players, you're going to have to stand up for yourself at some point because guys will retaliate.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 07, 2018, 05:01:48 PM
Haha.. Overdrive was discussing the Lucic fine. He got fined $10K for scaring a kid. Apparently Joseph was running around hitting anyone and everyone and was offered to dance a few times but kept turning it down so Lucic had enough. Like they said he scared him because he sure didn't punch him out because the kid would still be laying there. They basically called the fine a joke. Said if you're going to go around being a big man hitting players, you're going to have to stand up for yourself at some point because guys will retaliate.

God I can't wait until these morons die off from having any sort of impact on the game.  You aren't entitled to punch someone in the face and asking them to be allowed to punch you in the face and getting turned down isn't an invitation to do it.  Hits are legal in the game.  Stop with this damn nonsense that clean hits entitle dirty punches.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: spiderbob on November 07, 2018, 05:12:36 PM
If Joseph gets seriously injured, Milan Lucic is the new Todd Bertuzzi. Lucic did the exact same thing Todd did. Didn't he get a season? That play was incredibly predatory, and a perfect example of what the NHL needs to get rid of. 10k isn't even close. No one in the NHL is obligated to fight with anyone.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 07, 2018, 05:37:22 PM
Haha.. Overdrive was discussing the Lucic fine. He got fined $10K for scaring a kid. Apparently Joseph was running around hitting anyone and everyone and was offered to dance a few times but kept turning it down so Lucic had enough. Like they said he scared him because he sure didn't punch him out because the kid would still be laying there. They basically called the fine a joke. Said if you're going to go around being a big man hitting players, you're going to have to stand up for yourself at some point because guys will retaliate.

God I can't wait until these morons die off from having any sort of impact on the game.  You aren't entitled to punch someone in the face and asking them to be allowed to punch you in the face and getting turned down isn't an invitation to do it.  Hits are legal in the game.  Stop with this damn nonsense that clean hits entitle dirty punches.
Apparently the hit on Russel wasn't clean. Not defending, just saying what I heard.
Just heard Ray Ferraro say Lucic wasn't too bright and should have waited until there was a scrum and punched him in the face then if he wanted to send a message. Same message but a lot cheaper and wouldn't have cost him the extra penalties.

If Joseph gets seriously injured, Milan Lucic is the new Todd Bertuzzi. Lucic did the exact same thing Todd did. Didn't he get a season? That play was incredibly predatory, and a perfect example of what the NHL needs to get rid of. 10k isn't even close. No one in the NHL is obligated to fight with anyone.
That's a big reach. What Lucic actually did to Joseph isn't even in the same league of the Bert incident. The only comparable to Bertuzzi is the hunting down action. He didn't jump him from behind or drive his head face first into the ice or continually pound him. If this was anything close to that incident, there's no way in hell the NHL just gives him a fine.


Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: spiderbob on November 07, 2018, 07:42:27 PM

If Joseph gets seriously injured, Milan Lucic is the new Todd Bertuzzi. Lucic did the exact same thing Todd did. Didn't he get a season? That play was incredibly predatory, and a perfect example of what the NHL needs to get rid of. 10k isn't even close. No one in the NHL is obligated to fight with anyone.
That's a big reach. What Lucic actually did to Joseph isn't even in the same league of the Bert incident. The only comparable to Bertuzzi is the hunting down action. He didn't jump him from behind or drive his head face first into the ice or continually pound him. If this was anything close to that incident, there's no way in hell the NHL just gives him a fine.

Followed him around the ice slashing and chirping asking him to fight(which Joseph is not obligated to oblige no matter what you think of his previous hit), hit him with a blind side hit, jumped on top of him, and hit him at least once which is pretty apparent in the second gif. The only difference is the outcome with no injury.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 07, 2018, 10:23:31 PM

If Joseph gets seriously injured, Milan Lucic is the new Todd Bertuzzi. Lucic did the exact same thing Todd did. Didn't he get a season? That play was incredibly predatory, and a perfect example of what the NHL needs to get rid of. 10k isn't even close. No one in the NHL is obligated to fight with anyone.
That's a big reach. What Lucic actually did to Joseph isn't even in the same league of the Bert incident. The only comparable to Bertuzzi is the hunting down action. He didn't jump him from behind or drive his head face first into the ice or continually pound him. If this was anything close to that incident, there's no way in hell the NHL just gives him a fine.

Followed him around the ice slashing and chirping asking him to fight(which Joseph is not obligated to oblige no matter what you think of his previous hit), hit him with a blind side hit, jumped on top of him, and hit him at least once which is pretty apparent in the second gif. The only difference is the outcome with no injury.
Well we see things differently.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 08, 2018, 10:47:42 AM

No suspension for Malkin on his hit on Oshie last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls)

Kind of raises an interesting question. If a player sees someone skating at him and puts his fist up does the player skating into it receive a "punch"?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on November 08, 2018, 11:06:25 AM

No suspension for Malkin on his hit on Oshie last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls)

Kind of raises an interesting question. If a player sees someone skating at him and puts his fist up does the player skating into it receive a "punch"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSoJDUD_bU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSoJDUD_bU)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 08, 2018, 11:19:58 AM

No suspension for Malkin on his hit on Oshie last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls)

Kind of raises an interesting question. If a player sees someone skating at him and puts his fist up does the player skating into it receive a "punch"?

Malkin did receive a 5-minute major penalty and a game misconduct on the play. So by not suspending him it's not like the league is saying it was a legal play, they're just saying it's not worth any additional punishment. So yeah I'd imagine in your scenario there would be penalties given out by the referees and any supplementary discipline handed out would depend on if there was an injury as a result of the play. The fact that Oshie returned to the game probably saved Malkin from a suspension (that's dumb, but it's how the league operates).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 08, 2018, 11:21:49 AM
Malkin did receive a 5-minute major penalty and a game misconduct on the play. So by not suspending him it's not like the league is saying it was a legal play, they're just saying it's not worth any additional punishment. So yeah I'd imagine in your scenario there would be penalties given out by the referees and any supplementary discipline handed out would depend on if there was an injury as a result of the play. The fact that Oshie returned to the game probably saved Malkin from a suspension (that's dumb, but it's how the league operates).

No, this is all true. I was asking less in a "what does the NHL think" sort of way and more polling the gathered intelligentsia here about what should be the way we look at something like this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 08, 2018, 12:41:03 PM

No suspension for Malkin on his hit on Oshie last night:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFc6WcY3ls)

Kind of raises an interesting question. If a player sees someone skating at him and puts his fist up does the player skating into it receive a "punch"?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSoJDUD_bU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZSoJDUD_bU)

Quoted for truth.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 08, 2018, 01:38:07 PM
I don't think he should have been penalized 5 mins for the hit. He didn't blindside him and Oshie was going towards him and Malkin braced himself. I don't get what Oshie was doing there.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: TML fan on November 08, 2018, 02:56:13 PM
It looked to me like Oshie was going to step around him. Of course Malkin doesn't know that. Malkin likely thought Oshie was going to hit him so Malkin hit him first.

Tough call to make on the ice but definitely not worth any kind of extra discipline.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 08, 2018, 03:34:54 PM
It looked to me like Oshie was going to step around him. Of course Malkin doesn't know that. Malkin likely thought Oshie was going to hit him so Malkin hit him first.

Tough call to make on the ice but definitely not worth any kind of extra discipline.
Def tough but I think Oshie being injured influenced a call.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 09, 2018, 12:25:31 PM
Carlton was talking about Chabot the other day, and he's certainly on fire...they're playing him over 23 minutes per game too.  He's 21 years old.  22 points in 16 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 09, 2018, 04:01:17 PM

Like Wysh said, this isn't exactly a stunning revelation.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 09, 2018, 05:03:03 PM

Maybe it's a minor point but I've read Cherry's autobiography and I'm pretty sure he didn't work in steel mills or down a mine. I know he worked construction but that was his off-season job to supplement his hockey income.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 09, 2018, 05:07:55 PM
Looks like Rask will miss the Leafs game tomorrow


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2018/11/09/bruins-give-tuukka-rask-leave-absence-relating-personal-matter/5o7Tlsux04PlziNsfhkzxK/story.html
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 12, 2018, 03:33:20 PM

Sick burn of the Edmonton Oilers by the... *checks notes*... General Manager of the Edmonton Oilers.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 12, 2018, 10:31:54 PM


Kind of a fun question to ponder. I'm torn, I think. As much fun as it might have been to have Alfredsson on Sundin's wing I think from a pure value perspective the answer has to be one of Hossa, Chara or Subban.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 13, 2018, 12:53:37 AM
My answer would be Subban.  Flamboyant, outspoken, has his game face on every time, great point shot, reliable enough and...he'a T.O. boy.  'Nuff said.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 13, 2018, 07:43:30 AM
I'm in Detroit on business and I'm going to see the Wings / Coyotes game tonight at Little Caesars.  I'll do some scouting for the Leafs to see what they can both offer for Nylander, wonder if this makes TSN headlines?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on November 13, 2018, 10:14:58 AM


Kind of a fun question to ponder. I'm torn, I think. As much fun as it might have been to have Alfredsson on Sundin's wing I think from a pure value perspective the answer has to be one of Hossa, Chara or Subban.

I want to say Alfredsson because they would have been magic together.

But I'm going to go with Carey Price.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 13, 2018, 10:17:25 AM
Could you imagine Tavares-Matthews-Bergeron-Kadri?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 13, 2018, 10:48:51 AM
Could you imagine Tavares-Matthews-Bergeron-Kadri?

I'd say Bergeron as well, as one of the few players in the league who actually makes Sidney Crosby better.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on November 13, 2018, 11:38:50 AM
Jeremy Roenick was I guy hated to play against who I would like on my team. That friggin goal JR scored knocking the Leafs out of the playoffs with Kapanen's dad half dead crawling to the bench. Hopefully, his son has the same heart.

https://thehockeywriters.com/epic-flyers-moments-sami-kapanens-heart-vs-toronto-maple-leafs/

Hasek too but we had decent goalies at the time. I still cringe thinking about Hasek beating Canada in the Olympics and knocking the Leafs out of the playoffs. Was glad Dallas won, Hull's foot in the crease and all.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 13, 2018, 08:27:40 PM
It's weird being at a hockey game as a neutral observer.  Arizona looked pretty bad in the first
 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on November 13, 2018, 09:20:06 PM
It's weird being at a hockey game as a neutral observer.  Arizona looked pretty bad in the first
 

Neutral?  I hope you have your Leaf garb on and are booing incessantly every time either team touches the puck. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 14, 2018, 09:29:24 AM

This can't be right... *checks myself*... oh god...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 14, 2018, 09:49:07 AM

This can't be right... *checks myself*... oh god...

He got an empty netter against Florida to cap off his hat trick to break out of a 6 game pointless slump.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 15, 2018, 03:48:31 PM

What are they doing over there.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2018, 01:58:19 PM

Wow. Bruins are essentially icing a pre-season calibre blueline tonight.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2018, 02:41:07 PM
Wow. Bruins are essentially icing a pre-season calibre blueline tonight.

The Leafs meet them again on the 26th, so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2018, 02:47:11 PM
And Tampa just announced that Vasilevskiy will be out for 4-6 weeks with a foot fracture. They're just 1 point up on the Leafs right now, this could be a good opportunity to pass and build up a bit of a lead on them.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 16, 2018, 02:47:54 PM
Wow. Bruins are essentially icing a pre-season calibre blueline tonight.

The Leafs meet them again on the 26th, so fingers crossed.

"Pastrnak scores 7 as the Bruins defeat the Leafs in a wild 8-6 game."
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2018, 08:32:29 PM
Wow. Bruins are essentially icing a pre-season calibre blueline tonight.

The Leafs meet them again on the 26th, so fingers crossed.

"Pastrnak scores 7 as the Bruins defeat the Leafs in a wild 8-6 game."

Thatd be an improvement!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 16, 2018, 08:33:05 PM
Does it seem like there are more high profile injuries this season?

Jason Demers is out for the season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 19, 2018, 08:44:58 PM

This is no bueno.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 19, 2018, 08:47:23 PM

Oof, right in my sympathies.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 19, 2018, 10:16:37 PM
Looks like Erik Haulas when he caught a rut after getting hit by Marleau.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on November 19, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Urg. I really should be getting back out on the ice now that I'm healed up from my knee replacement, but I look at Haula and now this poor guy, and I'm not sure I want a snapped bit of metal between two bones.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 19, 2018, 10:26:31 PM
Calgary with a touchdown against Vegas
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Captain Canuck on November 19, 2018, 10:32:06 PM
Had a few Tie Domi flashbacks watching Max dust Orlov tonight!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 19, 2018, 11:13:59 PM
Had a few Tie Domi flashbacks watching Max dust Orlov tonight!
When Tie picked on guys who couldn't fight lol...Hated Domi as a player. Glad his kid has some actual talent.
Title: Blues fire Yeo
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 20, 2018, 12:06:43 AM


Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 20, 2018, 06:13:43 AM
Title: Re: Blues fire Yeo
Post by: Zee on November 20, 2018, 08:58:02 AM


I guess adding Bozak wasn't the answer?  ;)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 20, 2018, 09:44:07 AM
I don't know enough about the Blues to have a real opinion about Yeo as a coach, but I'm going to go ahead and assume Jake Allen's .895 save percentage through 14 games would have gotten a few guys fired.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Coco-puffs on November 20, 2018, 09:55:20 AM
I don't know enough about the Blues to have a real opinion about Yeo as a coach, but I'm going to go ahead and assume Jake Allen's .895 save percentage through 14 games would have gotten a few guys fired.

Also:  Getting shut-out twice in a row, including to the worst team in the NHL last night.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on November 20, 2018, 10:49:02 AM

 ???

edit: sounds like a shoulder injury and 4 weeks, same as Matthews.  If it was out for several months, considering their D injuries, I'd wonder if the Bruins would make the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 20, 2018, 11:02:10 AM

I think there's a certain extent to which people don't really understand the way the market has shifted in recent years. People seem to be working under the impression that if the top tier players have their money limited, that second tier guys will sort of fall in line proportionally.

But as we've seen in the NBA for years and years, top tier guys being limited really just diverts money to second tier guys.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 20, 2018, 11:07:52 AM
Panarin is 7th in the league in scoring since he entered the NHL 4 seasons ago. I don't think $10mil is really out of line at all.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on November 20, 2018, 11:09:16 AM
Fair play to the Nashville Predators (and PK Subban) and ECHL Atlanta Gladiators for making this little Belfast Giants fan have probably one of the most enjoyable weeks of his life. A very pleasant story

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25328180/nhl-nashville-predators-atlanta-gladiators-pull-red-carpet-young-fan-northern-ireland
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 20, 2018, 11:17:18 AM
Panarin is 7th in the league in scoring since he entered the NHL 4 seasons ago. I don't think $10mil is really out of line at all.

Me neither but I do think it's pretty solid evidence as to how a lot of the "Player X is better than Player Y so how can Player Y ask for more than Player X" stuff we see re: negotiations doesn't really work. Panarin's not better than Kucherov, for instance.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 21, 2018, 11:00:28 AM
Corsica is down (and Manny's twitter is gone), which might be an NHL hire in the happening.

Edit: false alarm
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 23, 2018, 11:09:43 PM

This is fantastic.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 25, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
This is not fantastic at all, but good on Carcillo and Matthias for shedding some light on these situations.

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Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 25, 2018, 03:16:48 PM

Tough read. I think we've sort of known that stuff like this goes on in junior but the media has always given it the whole "Boys being boys" nonsense. Hopefully that sort of thing no longer goes on but there have certainly been more recent stories that suggest that there's still some real issues there.

One of the things I always really respected about Brian Burke's time here was the way that he put a stop to the way rookies sometimes were mistreated, specifically with regards to the "hilarious" tradition of sticking young guys with massive restaurant bills.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 25, 2018, 03:20:55 PM
One of the things I always really respected about Brian Burke's time here was the way that he put a stop to the way rookies sometimes were mistreated, specifically with regards to the "hilarious" tradition of sticking young guys with massive restaurant bills.

Agreed. The ones where they're in on the joke are fine - like having the new guy skate alone in the pre-game or when the rookies all come to the arena in costumes - but the ones Carcillo describes or the massive restaurant bills, etc. need to go.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 25, 2018, 03:31:49 PM
One of the things I always really respected about Brian Burke's time here was the way that he put a stop to the way rookies sometimes were mistreated, specifically with regards to the "hilarious" tradition of sticking young guys with massive restaurant bills.

Agreed. The ones where they're in on the joke are fine - like having the new guy skate alone in the pre-game or when the rookies all come to the arena in costumes - but the ones Carcillo describes or the massive restaurant bills, etc. need to go.

Sean McIndoe/Down Goes Brown has related the story of how the first NHL training camp that Gordie Howe attended was actually with the Rangers.  He faced a lot of bullying there and chose to move on from the Rangers to a more welcoming team.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 25, 2018, 03:32:57 PM
Agreed. The ones where they're in on the joke are fine - like having the new guy skate alone in the pre-game or when the rookies all come to the arena in costumes - but the ones Carcillo describes or the massive restaurant bills, etc. need to go.

I think it was Joe Madden in MLB who decided that rather than do the Rookies wear embarrassing costumes thing they'd do a road trip where everyone, coaching staff included, wore goofy costume. The reasoning being that rather than do something where rookies were singled out, it was something that could foster team unity. Basically it was the same line of thinking Burke put forth, that older guys on the team should be looking out for and teaching positive lessons to younger guys rather than the opposite. I know there are other people who think that teams doing anything that isn't professional probably shouldn't go down.

I don't know where I fall on that divide exactly but I think with specific regards to Carcillo there's a larger problem there with the structure of junior hockey and a bunch of largely unsupervised high school and college age kids being put in what is a quasi-professional environment without the tools to deal with that. To me that issue is really tied to the larger dilemma of Junior hockey looking more and more out of place these days.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 25, 2018, 03:42:56 PM
Sean McIndoe/Down Goes Brown has related the story of how the first NHL training camp that Gordie Howe attended was actually with the Rangers.  He faced a lot of bullying there and chose to move on from the Rangers to a more welcoming team.

I know a lot of people tune out when I suggest getting rid of the draft but imagine the sort of fire it would light under teams to shape up the way they do business if young players could do that today.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 25, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
Sean McIndoe/Down Goes Brown has related the story of how the first NHL training camp that Gordie Howe attended was actually with the Rangers.  He faced a lot of bullying there and chose to move on from the Rangers to a more welcoming team.

I know a lot of people tune out when I suggest getting rid of the draft but imagine the sort of fire it would light under teams to shape up the way they do business if young players could do that today.
So we would have Stamkos, McDavid, Marner, Tavares, maybe Doughty seeing the 1st 4 were hoping to get drafted by the Leafs.
And technically they can pick their team. Didn't Burke try to get Hall and Seguin to retire before the draft so they could be signed as UFA's?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on November 25, 2018, 04:22:47 PM
So we would have Stamkos, McDavid, Marner, Tavares, maybe Doughty seeing the 1st 4 were hoping to get drafted by the Leafs.

My guess is probably not. I really don't think eliminating the Draft would lead to massive concentrations of talent anywhere.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 25, 2018, 05:07:59 PM
So we would have Stamkos, McDavid, Marner, Tavares, maybe Doughty seeing the 1st 4 were hoping to get drafted by the Leafs.

My guess is probably not. I really don't think eliminating the Draft would lead to massive concentrations of talent anywhere.

Especially if there's still a salary cap.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 25, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
And technically they can pick their team. Didn't Burke try to get Hall and Seguin to retire before the draft so they could be signed as UFA's?

Baseless speculation from some talking heads that didnt think things through. The league would put a stop to that blatant an attempt to circumvent the draft. Hall and Seguin would have ended up in the draft either way.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on November 28, 2018, 02:17:14 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Buffalo would be leading the league at the 25 game mark?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on November 28, 2018, 02:19:22 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Buffalo would be leading the league at the 25 game mark?

(http://www.hilariousgifs.com/i/tZOS8.gif)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on November 28, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
Raise your hand if you thought Buffalo would be leading the league at the 25 game mark?

I still don't think they will despite irrefutable evidence to the contrary. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 28, 2018, 04:17:58 PM
I think Buffalo hits the skids soon and hard.  They've won 9 one goal games during this 10 in a row streak, that luck will not continue.  Leafs are playing them next week, perfect timing to hammer them.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 29, 2018, 10:10:53 AM
Can anyone help? I'm looking for a GDT post that proclaimed that Patrik Laine was a (bad) one-dimensional player.

https://theathletic.com/679151/2018/11/29/finding-patrik-laine-the-incredible-origin-story-of-the-jets-eccentric-star/

He is so fun.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 29, 2018, 11:35:12 AM
Obviously this is a Leafs board and a lot of attention is placed on our top guns, but MacKinnon and Rantanen are absolutely torching the league this season. Rantanen leads the league in scoring with 42 points in 25 games, MacKinnon is 1 point behind him with 41. And they've been producing like that pretty consistently through all 25 games. That's a 1.68 PPG rate for Rantanen, 1.64 for MacKinnon. Just for comparison Marner and McDavid are 3-4 in scoring and their PPG rates are both 1.38. Matthews has the 3rd best PPG rate in the league and he's at 1.58.

Rantanen also scored 84 points in 81 games last season, so he's not exactly a flash in the pan. Like Marner he's in the final year of his ELC, and considering he's (probably) going to have two 80+ point seasons under his belt when that expires you can probably make the case that he deserves more than whatever Mitch might get. Gonna be interesting to see how those negotiations go.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 29, 2018, 12:00:48 PM
Rantanen's agent is Mike Liut who was recently on the 31 Thoughts podcast chatting about the general approach of an agent in this scenario. They too will be patient about this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 29, 2018, 12:03:30 PM
Rantanen's agent is Mike Liut who was recently on the 31 Thoughts podcast chatting about the general approach of an agent in this scenario. They too will be patient about this.

I really wonder if both him and Marner's agent will try and wait each other out to see what the other signs for.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 29, 2018, 12:12:08 PM
Rantanen's agent is Mike Liut who was recently on the 31 Thoughts podcast chatting about the general approach of an agent in this scenario. They too will be patient about this.

I really wonder if both him and Marner's agent will try and wait each other out to see what the other signs for.

That's what I'm thinking will be the case. In slightly different tiers, they've got Winnipeg's three contracts to keep an eye on too.

How much of an effect will MacKinnon's very team-friendly deal have as an on-team limiter if any?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on November 29, 2018, 12:13:12 PM
How much of an effect will MacKinnon's very team-friendly deal have as an on-team limiter if any?

That's kind of what I'm hoping for. Rantanen signs first and is pressured to take a little less because of that. Then the Leafs use that contract as a comparable to keep Marner's down as much as they can.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 29, 2018, 12:18:42 PM
How much of an effect will MacKinnon's very team-friendly deal have as an on-team limiter if any?

That's kind of what I'm hoping for. Rantanen signs first and is pressured to take a little less because of that. Then the Leafs use that contract as a comparable to keep Marner's down as much as they can.

We can hope that, but Marner's dad is going to be all over this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on November 29, 2018, 12:43:37 PM
How much of an effect will MacKinnon's very team-friendly deal have as an on-team limiter if any?

That's kind of what I'm hoping for. Rantanen signs first and is pressured to take a little less because of that. Then the Leafs use that contract as a comparable to keep Marner's down as much as they can.

We can hope that, but Marner's dad is going to be all over this.

I heard Michael Nylander is already telling him to hold out.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on November 29, 2018, 05:40:13 PM
How much of an effect will MacKinnon's very team-friendly deal have as an on-team limiter if any?

That's kind of what I'm hoping for. Rantanen signs first and is pressured to take a little less because of that. Then the Leafs use that contract as a comparable to keep Marner's down as much as they can.

We can hope that, but Marner's dad is going to be all over this.

I heard Michael Nylander is already telling him to hold out.

Maybe we should scrap the fathers' road trip this season...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on November 29, 2018, 06:27:43 PM
Rantanen's agent is Mike Liut who was recently on the 31 Thoughts podcast chatting about the general approach of an agent in this scenario. They too will be patient about this.

I really wonder if both him and Marner's agent will try and wait each other out to see what the other signs for.

Can they not collude?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 29, 2018, 10:13:30 PM
The Lightning have halted the Sabres win streak at 10 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on November 29, 2018, 11:03:19 PM
Laine scores another 2...woo hoo...The Jets are going to be in cap hell next year..
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on November 30, 2018, 07:13:22 AM
Laine scores another 2...woo hoo...The Jets are going to be in cap hell next year..
People in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 30, 2018, 07:26:52 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on November 30, 2018, 04:45:41 PM
They told the press in Toronto that Karlsson will not be speaking about Ottawa during his availability.

Today:

I still wouldn't trade Nylander to rent him for a year, but I kind of love this handsome ice pirate.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 01, 2018, 10:11:46 PM
Laine scores another 2...woo hoo...The Jets are going to be in cap hell next year..

No goals tonight, so Laine's now on pace for 69 goals... and 10 assists.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 01, 2018, 11:19:12 PM
Laine scores another 2...woo hoo...The Jets are going to be in cap hell next year..

No goals tonight, so Laine's now on pace for 69 goals... and 10 assists.
That's just a crazy goals to assists ratio.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 02, 2018, 12:19:23 AM
Laine scores another 2...woo hoo...The Jets are going to be in cap hell next year..

No goals tonight, so Laine's now on pace for 69 goals... and 10 assists.

That's just a crazy goals to assists ratio.

Laine's goals:assists ratio year by year:

Year 1  1.3:1
Year 2  1.7:1
Year 3     7:1

Extrapolating his accelerating pace to next year, I believe he'll average 0-1 assists per year from 2019 onward.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 06, 2018, 01:49:46 PM
At this point of the season, I'd like you all to know how I feel about the current standings:

Surprises:

1.  Buffalo
2.  Anaheim
3.  Calgary

Disappointments:

1.  St. Louis
2.  Philly
3.  Pittsburgh
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 06, 2018, 03:34:14 PM
At this point of the season, I'd like you all to know how I feel about the current standings:

Surprises:

1.  Buffalo
2.  Anaheim
3.  Calgary

Disappointments:

1.  St. Louis
2.  Philly
3.  Pittsburgh
I'm disappointed the Habs are doing as well as they are. Well, I don't want them to get Jack Hughes but I also don't want them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 08, 2018, 12:10:25 PM
Lindholm is cruising right along nicely in Calgary.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 09, 2018, 07:31:33 PM

Uhhh...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on December 10, 2018, 08:23:40 AM
Gingerbread isn't very protective or resilient
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 10, 2018, 06:47:43 PM
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/milan-lucic-embracing-new-role-oilers-look-forge-winning-identity/

Apparently Lucic is one of the most impactful Oilers now. Him and his 6 points in 30 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 12, 2018, 09:23:27 AM
The latest mini-31 Thoughts podcast with Andrew Ference gets into the Lucic issue a bit, as well as the general Edmonton Oilers culture (media and team).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 12, 2018, 10:19:22 AM
So, Chicago really sucks.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on December 12, 2018, 10:01:02 PM
Dylan Strome:
ARI: 20GP 3G 3A 6P = 24 point pace
CHI: 8GP 4G 1A 5P = 51 point pace

Will be interesting to see if he keeps up that kind of pace.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 13, 2018, 09:24:39 AM
Dylan Strome:
ARI: 20GP 3G 3A 6P = 24 point pace
CHI: 8GP 4G 1A 5P = 51 point pace

Will be interesting to see if he keeps up that kind of pace.

Haven't seen much of his game but I think he's been pretty bad defensively so not sure if Jason Allison version 2018 is going to have a great future despite some better production in Chicago.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on December 13, 2018, 12:33:07 PM
Haven't seen much of his game but I think he's been pretty bad defensively so not sure if Jason Allison version 2018 is going to have a great future despite some better production in Chicago.

I haven't watched him either, but this is at least an improvement over what he's done in Arizona.  One step at a time.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on December 13, 2018, 01:36:49 PM
Watched him in AZ, barely ever noticed him on the ice. A change of address might be the kick he needs to put in a better effort. Somehow I doubt it though. He is a below average skater, softer than butter, and very low effort. Not a combo for an NHL player.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 14, 2018, 12:54:23 PM
If this nets fewer than 2 games from the DoPS, I may have to start a riot.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on December 14, 2018, 03:28:08 PM
If this nets fewer than 2 games from the DoPS, I may have to start a riot.
Wasn't even called a penalty on the ice. Although you should never push guys in numbers into the boards, the player could not have put himself in a more vulnerable position. If your pedestrian at crosswalk don't assume the car is going to stop just because you step in front of it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on December 14, 2018, 09:00:43 PM
Hire Laine a full time psychologist. When hes on hes on, his streaks are incredible. Try to keep him in a good mental space.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 17, 2018, 10:47:24 AM

And some people thought Strome wouldn't make an impact in Chicago:

https://deadspin.com/oh-no-corey-crawford-has-another-concussion-1831145505 (https://deadspin.com/oh-no-corey-crawford-has-another-concussion-1831145505)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2018, 11:57:55 AM

And some people thought Strome wouldn't make an impact in Chicago:

https://deadspin.com/oh-no-corey-crawford-has-another-concussion-1831145505 (https://deadspin.com/oh-no-corey-crawford-has-another-concussion-1831145505)

and the other player involved in the collision is also involved in a lot of other bad news. Yikes.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2018, 01:21:29 PM
With 8 points in his last 3 games Mikko Rantanen now has 56 points in 33 games this season. That's a 1.7 PPG rate. We haven't seen a PPG rate that high since Mario Lemieux in 00-01, and he only played half the season then.

Crosby's highest PPG rate was 1.68 in 11-12, and he only played 22 games that season. His highest PPG rate in a full season was 1.52 in 06-07.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 17, 2018, 03:41:04 PM
So this is a weird one coming out of Buffalo.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/berglund-suspension-sabres-nhl-1.4947907
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2018, 04:35:40 PM
So this is a weird one coming out of Buffalo.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/berglund-suspension-sabres-nhl-1.4947907

This article doesn't cover it, but Berglund's group missed the deadline for submitting his list of teams on his limited NTC, and was included in the O'Reilly trade as a result.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 17, 2018, 04:48:46 PM
So this is a weird one coming out of Buffalo.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/berglund-suspension-sabres-nhl-1.4947907

This article doesn't cover it, but Berglund's group missed the deadline for submitting his list of teams on his limited NTC, and was included in the O'Reilly trade as a result.

WhY arEN'T pLAyErS MOrE lOYaL?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on December 17, 2018, 05:12:02 PM
So this is a weird one coming out of Buffalo.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/berglund-suspension-sabres-nhl-1.4947907

This article doesn't cover it, but Berglund's group missed the deadline for submitting his list of teams on his limited NTC, and was included in the O'Reilly trade as a result.

WhY arEN'T pLAyErS MOrE lOYaL?

You want loyal, get a puppy!!! 
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Post by: Frycer14 on December 17, 2018, 05:30:20 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/berglund-suspension-sabres-nhl-1.4947907

From the same article: In other Sabres news, defenceman Matt Hunwick has been recalled from his conditioning stint with the team's American Hockey League affiliate in Rochester, N.Y.

I'm surprised he's still around. Kind of reminds me of JM Liles. For years I think he's retired post Leafs tenure and there he was with the Canes, still playing... up until 2016, if memory serves.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 17, 2018, 05:52:02 PM
I'm surprised he's still around. Kind of reminds me of JM Liles. For years I think he's retired post Leafs tenure and there he was with the Canes, still playing... up until 2016, if memory serves.

Yeah, because Liles wasn't the problem.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 17, 2018, 07:15:12 PM
George Parros is a twat.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on December 17, 2018, 07:40:46 PM
George Parros is a twat.

Boom.

WIGWAL is back.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 19, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
So this is a weird one coming out of Buffalo.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/berglund-suspension-sabres-nhl-1.4947907



He had 3 years left on his contract after this season. Per Capfriendly, this would cost Berglund just a shade over $12.5mil.

Nobody in the media has called this a "mutual" termination, so it's not really clear if Berglund is agreeing to this because he hates Buffalo that much (totally reasonable) or if the Sabres are forcing this because of Berglund's no-show.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on December 19, 2018, 01:25:13 PM
He had 3 years left on his contract after this season. Per Capfriendly, this would cost Berglund just a shade over $12.5mil.

Nobody in the media has called this a "mutual" termination, so it's not really clear if Berglund is agreeing to this because he hates Buffalo that much (totally reasonable) or if the Sabres are forcing this because of Berglund's no-show.

Unless he really hates Buffalo (which is not outside the realm of possibilities), I'm going to assume he wouldn't just walk away from that kind of money, and this is a breach of contract situation - in which case, I expect the PA to step in for him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 19, 2018, 01:38:36 PM
So in a hypothetical scenario, Berglund has his contract terminated, should the Leafs try and sign him to bolster the bottom 6?  He's a solid 2-way player and I wonder how much of this is him really hating Buffalo and the whole trade scenario.   Quite the way to respond to go to a rival team.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 19, 2018, 01:44:32 PM
So in a hypothetical scenario, Berglund has his contract terminated, should the Leafs try and sign him to bolster the bottom 6?  He's a solid 2-way player and I wonder how much of this is him really hating Buffalo and the whole trade scenario.   Quite the way to respond to go to a rival team.

He'd certainly be an upgrade over Gauthier for the 13th forward spot, but playing time/role seemed to be an issue with Buffalo so I kinda doubt he'd come here just to sit in the press box.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 19, 2018, 01:48:54 PM
So in a hypothetical scenario, Berglund has his contract terminated, should the Leafs try and sign him to bolster the bottom 6?

(http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/photos/patrik-berglund-2019-33.jpg)

Is his hair still like this? Because if so, I don't think it's overly shallow to say no.
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Post by: bustaheims on December 19, 2018, 01:50:02 PM
He'd certainly be an upgrade over Gauthier for the 13th forward spot, but playing time/role seemed to be an issue with Buffalo so I kinda doubt he'd come here just to sit in the press box.

I was thinking about him as an upgrade for the 4th line C, but, yeah, with playing time/role being a sticking point with him in Buffalo, not sure he'd go for it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 19, 2018, 01:52:04 PM
I was thinking about him as an upgrade for the 4th line C, but, yeah, with playing time/role being a sticking point with him in Buffalo, not sure he'd go for it.

Yeah he's probably pretty comparable to Lindholm, maybe even a tad better. But Babs seems to have taken a liking to Lindholm so I doubt he'd get bumped out of the 4C spot easily.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 21, 2018, 09:11:52 AM
Congratulations to Carey Price on his NHL milestone:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 22, 2018, 08:10:32 AM
He'd certainly be an upgrade over Gauthier for the 13th forward spot, but playing time/role seemed to be an issue with Buffalo so I kinda doubt he'd come here just to sit in the press box.

I was thinking about him as an upgrade for the 4th line C, but, yeah, with playing time/role being a sticking point with him in Buffalo, not sure he'd go for it.

I'm not sure I'd want a player on my team that was just suspended for not accepting his role on the Sabres, especially with them playing so well.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2018, 08:55:10 PM
Thoughts on this hit:

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I'm generally pro-suspending players for head contact... but I really don't see it on that one.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 22, 2018, 10:17:21 PM
Well he did make contact with the head but I didn't see him target it. I don't know about this one. I guess he should have bent his knees more or something... I don't think this is that bad of a hit.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 22, 2018, 11:22:10 PM

Happens to the best of them too, not just us.
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Post by: herman on December 23, 2018, 02:20:56 PM
Thoughts on this hit:

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I'm generally pro-suspending players for head contact... but I really don't see it on that one.

The DoPS as come down with a 2 game suspension for this one.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 23, 2018, 06:51:47 PM

What the Hurricanes are doing right now really sucks. You take a city's team and then have a "Whalers Night" because you think you can scrape a buck out of the nostalgia?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on December 23, 2018, 06:56:58 PM
"We're whalers on the moon.. we carry a harpoon...."
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 23, 2018, 07:09:34 PM
"We're whalers on the moon.. we carry a harpoon...."

I don't see your fungineering degree.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on December 23, 2018, 08:22:19 PM

What the Hurricanes are doing right now really sucks. You take a city's team and then have a "Whalers Night" because you think you can scrape a buck out of the nostalgia?

It doesnt mean much but its amusing to me that one of their players is dressed with a number that was retired by the whalers too
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 23, 2018, 10:25:33 PM

What the Hurricanes are doing right now really sucks. You take a city's team and then have a "Whalers Night" because you think you can scrape a buck out of the nostalgia?

It doesnt mean much but its amusing to me that one of their players is dressed with a number that was retired by the whalers too


It's not even that much of a rant, just the dude filling up air time not letting the PbP do his job properly.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 28, 2018, 06:45:37 AM
DownGoesBrown has a piece on his version of playoff formatting -- something that would make a Leafs /Habs or  Bruins/Habs, or even a Penguins/Capitals  Stanley Cup Final all the more possible:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 28, 2018, 04:56:12 PM
quite the tirade by the Stars organization calling out Sequin and Benn on the shit they have been playing. Top paid players like #66 and 67 in the league. How embarrassing and glad we took a flyer on Sequin...me thinks he likes to party to hardy and he will have lots of money to continue to do so.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 28, 2018, 07:49:32 PM
Goal scorers are funny. This is what Laine's season looks like broken down into 3 stretches:

First 12 games: 3 goals
Middle 12 games: 18 goals
Last 13 games: 2 goals
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 28, 2018, 10:42:26 PM
Goal scorers are funny. This is what Laine's season looks like broken down into 3 stretches:

First 12 games: 3 goals
Middle 12 games: 18 goals
Last 13 games: 2 goals

Tavares is better.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 28, 2018, 11:04:45 PM
quite the tirade by the Stars organization calling out Sequin and Benn on the shit they have been playing. Top paid players like #66 and 67 in the league. How embarrassing and glad we took a flyer on Sequin...me thinks he likes to party to hardy and he will have lots of money to continue to do so.

The "shit" has Benn and Seguin on pace for 65 and 69 points respectively  and while I suppose you could say this about Benn, Seguin is emphatically not being overpaid for his production.

For years, both guys drastically out produced their salaries and now they have a bumpy start to the season and this is how management behaves in public? The only thing embarrassing here is Lites' behaviour and the eagerness of bumpkin fans to cheer that sort of thing on.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on December 28, 2018, 11:34:30 PM
The "shit" has Benn and Seguin on pace for 65 and 69 points respectively  and while I suppose you could say this about Benn, Seguin is emphatically not being overpaid for his production.

For years, both guys drastically out produced their salaries and now they have a bumpy start to the season and this is how management behaves in public? The only thing embarrassing here is Lites' behaviour and the eagerness of bumpkin fans to cheer that sort of thing on.

The tendancy for fans to blame thier actual good players for team struggles rather than the management who can't manage to suppliment the talent with quality depth is puzzling to me.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 29, 2018, 12:48:11 AM
How embarrassing and glad we took a flyer on Sequin...me thinks he likes to party to hardy and he will have lots of money to continue to do so.

From 13/14 to 17/18 (Seguin's first 5 seasons with the Stars) Seguin ranked 5th in the league in goals and 8th in points.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 29, 2018, 09:13:10 AM

Also, what in the world could possibly be meant by the Leafs "taking a flyer" on Seguin?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on December 29, 2018, 09:18:45 AM

Also, what in the world could possibly be meant by the Leafs "taking a flyer" on Seguin?

That time the Leafs signed Seguin to a 1-year "show me" contract?  :-[

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 29, 2018, 09:45:15 AM

This is funny, but mostly sucks for Colorado.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 29, 2018, 10:40:19 AM

Also, what in the world could possibly be meant by the Leafs "taking a flyer" on Seguin?

That time the Leafs signed Seguin to a 1-year "show me" contract?  :-[
Wrong phrase, sorry, should have been take a pass on him.  :'(
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 29, 2018, 10:41:52 AM

The Leafs didn't take a pass on him either.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 29, 2018, 10:59:31 AM
Whatever Nik, Happy New Year ::)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 29, 2018, 11:19:57 AM

The Leafs have literally never had the option of Seguin playing for them. That isn't a minor or trivial matter. It's actually pretty noteworthy in the current history of the team.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 29, 2018, 01:40:35 PM

Benn is an adult.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 29, 2018, 02:20:59 PM

The Leafs have literally never had the option of Seguin playing for them. That isn't a minor or trivial matter. It's actually pretty noteworthy in the current history of the team.
Didn't they lose the option to draft him when they pick up Kessel?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on December 29, 2018, 02:32:21 PM

The Leafs have literally never had the option of Seguin playing for them. That isn't a minor or trivial matter. It's actually pretty noteworthy in the current history of the team.
Didn't they lose the option to draft him when they pick up Kessel?
That's a stretch, when the Leafs traded for Kessel , Burke in his infinite wisdom never foresaw the Leafs picking at #2 so Seguin was never an option in his mind, hence they never took a pass on him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on December 30, 2018, 10:26:13 AM
I'm surprised STL hasn't made a move yet... They're now 9 points out of a wildcard spot at this point and running out of time to correct it this year.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on December 30, 2018, 10:46:42 AM
I'm surprised STL hasn't made a move yet... They're now 9 points out of a wildcard spot at this point and running out of time to correct it this year.

I think it's a lot more difficult than we think to make a trade in the NHL that's roughly approximate value for value where it doesn't look like one team is throwing in the towel. Especially one where the hope is that it makes a significant difference.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on December 30, 2018, 01:27:08 PM
Even the trade for Michael Hutchinson took a couple of months.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 30, 2018, 03:00:39 PM
whats the NHL record for team points in a season? Is Tampa within striking distance?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 30, 2018, 03:03:13 PM
looks like 132. Tampas slightly off the pace ...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 30, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
whats the NHL record for team points in a season? Is Tampa within striking distance?

76-77 Canadiens: 132 points in 80 games
95-96 Red Wings: 131 points in 82 games
77-78 Canadiens: 129 points in 80 games
75-76 Canadiens: 127 points in 80 games
05-06 Red Wings: 124 points in 82 games
70-71 Bruins: 121 points in 78 games
09-10 Capitals: 121 points in 82 games
15-16 Capitals: 120 points in 82 games

The Lightning are on pace for 130 points. So yeah they're certainly on pace to have one of the best seasons in the history of the league. Likely the best in the salary cap era.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 30, 2018, 03:13:42 PM
Speaking of the Lightning, Kucherov has somewhat quietly taken over the scoring lead from Rantanen. 11 goals, 34 assists, 45 points in his last 21 games.
Title: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on December 30, 2018, 03:20:37 PM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 30, 2018, 11:58:10 PM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Tampa was supposed to win last year and the Bruins shut them down quite easily if I remember. The Leafs dominated Tampa in their only meeting this year and have 1 less ROW this season, so let's not concede anything just yet. And for all of the talk about Tampa's D being so much better, we actually have the better GAA. Lots of hockey left to figure this out.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on December 31, 2018, 02:09:42 AM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Tampa was supposed to win last year and the Bruins shut them down quite easily if I remember. The Leafs dominated Tampa in their only meeting this year and have 1 less ROW this season, so let's not concede anything just yet. And for all of the talk about Tampa's D being so much better, we actually have the better GAA. Lots of hockey left to figure this out.

IIRC, I think Tampa beat the Bruins quite handily in the playoffs last year.  5 games or so?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on December 31, 2018, 07:07:43 AM
Tampa beat Boston 4-1, then lost 4-3 against Washington.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 31, 2018, 10:09:22 AM
Speaking of the Lightning, Kucherov has somewhat quietly taken over the scoring lead from Rantanen. 11 goals, 34 assists, 45 points in his last 21 games.

Jeez -- 34 assists in 21 games makes Marner look like a slouch.  Incredible.  Why oh why did he sign for just 9.5 million.  Unfair!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on December 31, 2018, 10:12:12 AM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Tampa was supposed to win last year and the Bruins shut them down quite easily if I remember. The Leafs dominated Tampa in their only meeting this year and have 1 less ROW this season, so let's not concede anything just yet. And for all of the talk about Tampa's D being so much better, we actually have the better GAA. Lots of hockey left to figure this out.

Certainly, anything can happen in a 7-game series and hockey is known for its upsets.  But having said that, you've got to give Tampa the edge.

On the better GAA --- Tampa's first string goalie was out for 20+ games.  Since he's been back, they've been even better ... Let's see how our GAA does while our first string goalie is out ...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 31, 2018, 11:20:11 AM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Tampa was supposed to win last year and the Bruins shut them down quite easily if I remember. The Leafs dominated Tampa in their only meeting this year and have 1 less ROW this season, so let's not concede anything just yet. And for all of the talk about Tampa's D being so much better, we actually have the better GAA. Lots of hockey left to figure this out.

IIRC, I think Tampa beat the Bruins quite handily in the playoffs last year.  5 games or so?
You are definitely right. Don't know what I was thinking. It was probably that the Bruins shutdown Stamkos and Kucherov or something like that. My bad.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on December 31, 2018, 11:39:12 AM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Tampa was supposed to win last year and the Bruins shut them down quite easily if I remember. The Leafs dominated Tampa in their only meeting this year and have 1 less ROW this season, so let's not concede anything just yet. And for all of the talk about Tampa's D being so much better, we actually have the better GAA. Lots of hockey left to figure this out.

Certainly, anything can happen in a 7-game series and hockey is known for its upsets.  But having said that, you've got to give Tampa the edge.

On the better GAA --- Tampa's first string goalie was out for 20+ games.  Since he's been back, they've been even better ... Let's see how our GAA does while our first string goalie is out ...
Agree on the edge in a 7 gamer but only because their offence is so powerful. I still like the Leafs chances.
As for since he's been back, that's not true. He's sporting a 3.5 GAA and only a .902 SV% since returning. He's had 2 really good games against the Leafs and Nucks but the other 4 not so great. T Bay is 5-0-1 in his games. They're simply outscoring his sub par play.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 01, 2019, 03:05:19 PM

Theres routine (to reduce decision-making fatigue, Sam Hinkie style (https://www.si.com/nba/2016/11/30/sam-hinkie-after-the-process-philadelphia-76ers)), and then theres whatever Eichel is doing. No wonder hes got so many assists this year (how do you like them apples?).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 01, 2019, 03:20:12 PM

I suppose I'm impressed when I see that some people can live like that. Personally, it reads as a prelude to spending some time in a clock tower but different strokes and all that.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on January 01, 2019, 03:21:40 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on January 01, 2019, 07:25:01 PM
I think we need to face the likelihood that we aren't winning a Cup before Tampa does.
Tampa was supposed to win last year and the Bruins shut them down quite easily if I remember. The Leafs dominated Tampa in their only meeting this year and have 1 less ROW this season, so let's not concede anything just yet. And for all of the talk about Tampa's D being so much better, we actually have the better GAA. Lots of hockey left to figure this out.

Certainly, anything can happen in a 7-game series and hockey is known for its upsets.  But having said that, you've got to give Tampa the edge.

On the better GAA --- Tampa's first string goalie was out for 20+ games.  Since he's been back, they've been even better ... Let's see how our GAA does while our first string goalie is out ...
Agree on the edge in a 7 gamer but only because their offence is so powerful. I still like the Leafs chances.
As for since he's been back, that's not true. He's sporting a 3.5 GAA and only a .902 SV% since returning. He's had 2 really good games against the Leafs and Nucks but the other 4 not so great. T Bay is 5-0-1 in his games. They're simply outscoring his sub par play.

Interesting ... I wasn't actually tracking them other than seeing the reports that they've gotten something like 27/28 points.  I figured he must be playing well...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 01, 2019, 09:19:08 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

There is a risk of kidney damage from overuse of prescription-level dosages.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 02, 2019, 01:24:16 AM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

There is a risk of kidney damage from overuse of prescription-level dosages.


Add liver damage to the list as well, with long-term usage.  Same applies to Tylenol.  For the short duration, its okay to take, but for the longer term, its questionable. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 02, 2019, 12:14:37 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

There is a risk of kidney damage from overuse of prescription-level dosages.

Clearly not if you eat an apple a day and take 8 showers.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 02, 2019, 12:41:01 PM

See, this is why the league needs to start listening to Riley Cote.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 02, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

Why the hell is Eichel taking 2 Advil before each game?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on January 02, 2019, 01:21:17 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

Why the hell is Eichel taking 2 Advil before each game?

Because he wants to?? That's all I got.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 02, 2019, 01:27:51 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

Why the hell is Eichel taking 2 Advil before each game?

Because he wants to?? That's all I got.
Because it's an anti-inflammatory, pain med. I know guys that take it before playing hockey for their knees and they say it helps a lot.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on January 02, 2019, 01:47:26 PM
That's interesting about the advil. My doc is always telling me to go easy on them.

Why the hell is Eichel taking 2 Advil before each game?

Because he wants to?? That's all I got.
Because it's an anti-inflammatory, pain med. I know guys that take it before playing hockey for their knees and they say it helps a lot.

I know that but not many world class early 20's athletes have the issues as 40 year old beer leaguer's.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 02, 2019, 01:47:52 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 02, 2019, 02:27:25 PM

If you're a high level athlete playing a contact sport you definitely don't need to be in your 40's to start experiencing muscle pain. Like, literally the pain athletes play in is a constant and steady topic of discussion that has featured in lots of articles and discussions, specifically with regards to pain management.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on January 02, 2019, 03:01:14 PM

If you're a high level athlete playing a contact sport you definitely don't need to be in your 40's to start experiencing muscle pain. Like, literally the pain athletes play in is a constant and steady topic of discussion that has featured in lots of articles and discussions, specifically with regards to pain management.

Generally not your Eichel's and very rarely a daily before game need.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 02, 2019, 03:05:06 PM
Generally not your Eichel's and very rarely a daily before game need.

I don't know what you mean by "not your Eichel's" but he's missed 35 games or so over the last two years with injuries.

Players have muscle pain. This is pretty elementary stuff.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 02, 2019, 03:37:48 PM
I don't know what you mean by "not your Eichel's" but he's missed 35 games or so over the last two years with injuries.

Yup. Pretty significant sprains to each of his ankles. Fair to say that some sort of anti-inflammatory could easily be a part of his regular routine. I mean, it's not as if he's really ever been a position to let those heal completely, as one came early in the 16/17 season, and one was the middle of last season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 03, 2019, 09:14:13 AM
Since their 10 game winning streak (which only included a single win by more than 1 goal, and had 7 OT/SO wins), the Sabres are 4-7-4 and barely hanging onto a playoff spot.

No commentary here, just funny to me.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on January 03, 2019, 10:33:00 AM

If you're a high level athlete playing a contact sport you definitely don't need to be in your 40's to start experiencing muscle pain. Like, literally the pain athletes play in is a constant and steady topic of discussion that has featured in lots of articles and discussions, specifically with regards to pain management.

Generally not your Eichel's and very rarely a daily before game need.

I'm guessing in hindsight it's probably more prevalent around the league than people think, and used to be opoids before the testing criteria. All the players need to manage inflammation for constant recovery cycles after games and practices, as well as garden variety professional athlete pain.

I used to take 800mg before both my beer league games before my knee replacement, and a bunch more if I was doing anything else remotely active through the week. It works, but I knew it was a relatively short term stopgap. If I was a teenager, and using it likely daily, I'd be a bit concerned, but I'm sure he has doctors better than mine, and more to gain in the short term. I just found it interesting that he'd mention it specifically, along with everything else down to toenail clipping routine, but hey, it was an interesting link.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 03, 2019, 01:59:55 PM

Okay these are legitimately worthy of a signed stick.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 03, 2019, 02:03:24 PM
Okay these are legitimately worthy of a signed stick.

Man those were brutal chirps.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 04, 2019, 07:11:32 AM
Tampa is on pace for 132 points, hey now
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 04, 2019, 08:55:13 AM
Tampa is on pace for 132 points, hey now

Kucherov has 17 points in the last 5 games.
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Post by: Bates on January 04, 2019, 09:25:24 AM
Tampa is on pace for 132 points, hey now

It's really gonna sting for them when the Leaf's knock them out of playoffs!!!!
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Post by: herman on January 04, 2019, 09:32:14 AM
Tampa is on pace for 132 points, hey now

It's really gonna sting for them when the Leaf's knock them out of playoffs!!!!

We're not as playoff battle hardened, but we're probably the team they're actually sort of not excited to face.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 04, 2019, 09:36:01 AM
Tampa is on pace for 132 points, hey now

It's really gonna sting for them when the Leaf's knock them out of playoffs!!!!

How does the seeding work if say Tampa gets upset by the wild card team?

Let's say Leafs finish #2 and beat the #3 team and Tampa loses to the wildcard, do the Leafs get the wild card team next?
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 04, 2019, 09:39:53 AM
How does the seeding work if say Tampa gets upset by the wild card team?

Let's say Leafs finish #2 and beat the #3 team and Tampa loses to the wildcard, do the Leafs get the wild card team next?

That's correct. Playoffs don't re-seed under this format.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on January 04, 2019, 09:42:45 AM
Tampa is on pace for 132 points, hey now

It's really gonna sting for them when the Leaf's knock them out of playoffs!!!!

How does the seeding work if say Tampa gets upset by the wild card team?

Let's say Leafs finish #2 and beat the #3 team and Tampa loses to the wildcard, do the Leafs get the wild card team next?

I think It's done by bracket all the way through so advantage goes to upsetter??
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Post by: Zee on January 04, 2019, 09:45:58 AM
How does the seeding work if say Tampa gets upset by the wild card team?

Let's say Leafs finish #2 and beat the #3 team and Tampa loses to the wildcard, do the Leafs get the wild card team next?

That's correct. Playoffs don't re-seed under this format.

Part of my lifelong suffering as a Leafs fan somewhat expects that dream scenario only to be dashed in the 2nd round.

Example, Leafs get Boston in round 1, FINALLY get over the hump, jubilation ensues as we see Tampa lose to some wild card team like the Islanders or Habs, and we start envisioning the road to the finals..and then Leafs lose in the 2nd round to one of the above mentioned teams.

Just had a thought, remember how stone-faced Lou was in the press box during the playoffs, not even flinching when the Leafs scored an OT winner?  I can see him jumping up and down, fist pumping and doing the "woo!!!" as the Islanders knock off the Leafs...I'm a sick man.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 04, 2019, 09:53:03 AM
We're not as playoff battle hardened, but we're probably the team they're actually sort of not excited to face.

We did outshoot them 49-21 in the only meeting so far. Obviously thanks to some posts and Vasilevskiy channeling 1990s Dominik Hasek the game didn't go our way but that was arguably Tampa's toughest match-up of the season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 04, 2019, 09:54:08 AM
Part of my lifelong suffering as a Leafs fan somewhat expects that dream scenario only to be dashed in the 2nd round.

Example, Leafs get Boston in round 1, FINALLY get over the hump, jubilation ensues as we see Tampa lose to some wild card team like the Islanders or Habs, and we start envisioning the road to the finals..and then Leafs lose in the 2nd round to one of the above mentioned teams.

Just had a thought, remember how stone-faced Lou was in the press box during the playoffs, not even flinching when the Leafs scored an OT winner?  I can see him jumping up and down, fist pumping and doing the "woo!!!" as the Islanders knock off the Leafs...I'm a sick man.

You might need to talk about all this to a therapist or something.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 04, 2019, 09:57:39 AM
Part of my lifelong suffering as a Leafs fan somewhat expects that dream scenario only to be dashed in the 2nd round.

Example, Leafs get Boston in round 1, FINALLY get over the hump, jubilation ensues as we see Tampa lose to some wild card team like the Islanders or Habs, and we start envisioning the road to the finals..and then Leafs lose in the 2nd round to one of the above mentioned teams.

Just had a thought, remember how stone-faced Lou was in the press box during the playoffs, not even flinching when the Leafs scored an OT winner?  I can see him jumping up and down, fist pumping and doing the "woo!!!" as the Islanders knock off the Leafs...I'm a sick man.

You might need to talk about all this to a therapist or something.

I know, there must be some condition where I always fear the worst possible outcome for my hockey team.  Not really the  worst like finishing dead last, but bringing you as a fan to the hopes of something great happening only to be dashed in the end.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 04, 2019, 10:38:02 AM
How does the seeding work if say Tampa gets upset by the wild card team?

Let's say Leafs finish #2 and beat the #3 team and Tampa loses to the wildcard, do the Leafs get the wild card team next?

That's correct. Playoffs don't re-seed under this format.

Part of my lifelong suffering as a Leafs fan somewhat expects that dream scenario only to be dashed in the 2nd round.

Example, Leafs get Boston in round 1, FINALLY get over the hump, jubilation ensues as we see Tampa lose to some wild card team like the Islanders or Habs, and we start envisioning the road to the finals..and then Leafs lose in the 2nd round to one of the above mentioned teams.

Just had a thought, remember how stone-faced Lou was in the press box during the playoffs, not even flinching when the Leafs scored an OT winner?  I can see him jumping up and down, fist pumping and doing the "woo!!!" as the Islanders knock off the Leafs...I'm a sick man.

I mean, what you describe is a very Leafs thing to do.  :-\
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 05, 2019, 04:02:12 PM

Two Chicago beat reporters talking about the promotion of a former depth NHLer and one-time Blackhawk from AHL assistant to NHL assistant coach. You know just once in a situation like this I'd love to hear the media be like "yeah everyone knows this guy's a douche".
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2019, 05:18:14 PM

Two Chicago beat reporters talking about the promotion of a former depth NHLer and one-time Blackhawk from AHL assistant to NHL assistant coach. You know just once in a situation like this I'd love to hear the media be like "yeah everyone knows this guy's a douche".

The latest Leafs Report wasn't particularly glowing about Carlyle and Wilson in reference to their personability and the way players were treated re: rest.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 05, 2019, 05:51:20 PM
The latest Leafs Report wasn't particularly glowing about Carlyle and Wilson in reference to their personability and the way players were treated re: rest.

I don't want to speak for Carlton but I don't think he meant "...years after they've been fired".
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 05, 2019, 08:38:25 PM
The latest Leafs Report wasn't particularly glowing about Carlyle and Wilson in reference to their personability and the way players were treated re: rest.

I don't want to speak for Carlton but I don't think he meant "...years after they've been fired".

Thats a reasonable point. Has a hiring been recently lambasted for personality reasons?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 07, 2019, 02:59:10 PM
Not directly NHL-related, but here's an example of when I kind of want scoring stats graded out instead of being flat 1-pt touches for G, 1A, and 2A. It'd be a chore to log (quit ea bit of subjectivity), but if done right it'd paint a more accurate picture of which players are carrying the play (i.e. Hey Mitch Marner). Let's say something like 3 pts on the statsheet to divvy, with either 2 to 0 (with halfsies) as options per involved players on the scoring play.

Here I would award 1 pt for Jill Saulnier's goal (shortside backend top cheddar into the far corner near the red line?!), and 2 pts for Marie-Philip Poulin's magic assist.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 07, 2019, 03:11:00 PM
Not directly NHL-related, but here's an example of when I kind of want scoring stats graded out instead of being flat 1-pt touches for G, 1A, and 2A. It'd be a chore to log (quit ea bit of subjectivity), but if done right it'd paint a more accurate picture of which players are carrying the play (i.e. Hey Mitch Marner). Let's say something like 3 pts on the statsheet to divvy, with either 2 to 0 (with halfsies) as options per involved players on the scoring play.

I get the argument here and I see what you're saying but a lot of times I feel like the examples of this, as highlighted here, are cases where "the work" being done really just translates into players getting lucky in terms of bounces/bad defense.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 07, 2019, 03:20:45 PM
Not directly NHL-related, but here's an example of when I kind of want scoring stats graded out instead of being flat 1-pt touches for G, 1A, and 2A. It'd be a chore to log (quit ea bit of subjectivity), but if done right it'd paint a more accurate picture of which players are carrying the play (i.e. Hey Mitch Marner). Let's say something like 3 pts on the statsheet to divvy, with either 2 to 0 (with halfsies) as options per involved players on the scoring play.

I get the argument here and I see what you're saying but a lot of times I feel like the examples of this, as highlighted here, are cases where "the work" being done really just translates into players getting lucky in terms of bounces/bad defense.

Discerning that is the hard part. There's also something to be said for being in position and having the wherewithal to take advantage of said bounce and bad defense too. And if a player keeps getting rewarded for bounces and bad defense season by season, they just might be the reason behind them.

Anyway, I can't think of how they'd possibly break down such a scoring system to be repeatable and feasible.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 07, 2019, 06:39:32 PM
The latest Leafs Report wasn't particularly glowing about Carlyle and Wilson in reference to their personability and the way players were treated re: rest.

I don't want to speak for Carlton but I don't think he meant "...years after they've been fired".

Thats a reasonable point. Has a hiring been recently lambasted for personality reasons?

Torts?  It's probably the 1st thing brought up about him. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2019, 05:10:57 PM

I'd be very interested to know what the CBA would say about something like this haha.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 09, 2019, 08:39:32 AM
Erik Karlsson is now tied for 3rd in defensive scoring. He's on a 14 game point streak with 1 goal, 24 assists, and 25 points. Imagine if he didn't have a 1.8 shooting percentage during that time! This is after scoring just 7 points in his first 18 games. Very good chance he gets another Norris nomination this season, and if the writers were smart at all he'd win it (at least based on the first half).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 09, 2019, 08:54:13 AM
So you're saying that Erik Karlsson isn't washed up?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 09, 2019, 10:40:59 AM
NHL ALERT! : Milan Lucic scored a goal last night.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 09, 2019, 10:52:36 AM
NHL ALERT! : Milan Lucic scored a goal last night.

He is now tied for goals with Greg McKegg (3GP) and Frederik Gauthier (33 GP)!
And has pulled ahead of William Nylander, sadly.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 09, 2019, 11:01:32 AM
NHL ALERT! : Milan Lucic scored a goal last night.

He is now tied for goals with Greg McKegg (3GP) and Frederik Gauthier (33 GP)!
And has pulled ahead of William Nylander, sadly.

Willy Nylander for Milan Lucic. Leafs save money on the cap.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on January 09, 2019, 11:36:56 AM
NHL ALERT! : Milan Lucic scored a goal last night.
2 Goals, -28, 1.7 S% in 88 games prior to last night's goal. FYI, career S% of 13.5%.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 09, 2019, 01:06:46 PM

That's a pretty crazy coincidence.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on January 09, 2019, 01:24:47 PM

That's a pretty crazy coincidence.
Ovie at 637 goals and going strong is amazing. 35 G per year x 6 years would get him to 847. I am guessing he gets to 800 goals.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 10, 2019, 10:33:39 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 10, 2019, 11:01:15 AM
Can't imagine him re-signing there. I could understand Columbus trying to hang onto Panarin and getting something there done but they really need to look at trading Bob for a goalie plus something else.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 10, 2019, 11:03:22 AM
For the sartorial segment of this board:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25707545/the-struggle-real-why-hockey-butts-jeans-mix

I'm not a hockey player, but I have similar issues being rather thick of thigh. Stretchy jeans (essentially jeggings with actual pockets) have been aces and I will never go back to raw/regular/selvedge denim.

More business/formal fashion is also catching on with stretchier chinos and slacks too.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 11, 2019, 09:39:32 AM
For the sartorial segment of this board:
http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25707545/the-struggle-real-why-hockey-butts-jeans-mix

I'm not a hockey player, but I have similar issues being rather thick of thigh. Stretchy jeans (essentially jeggings with actual pockets) have been aces and I will never go back to raw/regular/selvedge denim.

More business/formal fashion is also catching on with stretchier chinos and slacks too.

(https://frinkiac.com/video/S03E10/bhz9DAt7d9FcXdoKt1CLZ750n9E=.gif?fbclid=IwAR1lR_ZKyKnbjwC9hrUfeacHeWDWamu4XvHgVr4x0EY2LIbvw8mmrdmHuUk)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 11, 2019, 10:14:13 AM

Looks like Rick Nash has officially retired.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 11, 2019, 10:19:29 AM

Looks like Rick Nash has officially retired.

Forced to retire because of concussions. He's not a top line winger anymore but he probably had a few good years of hockey left. Too bad, always liked him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 11, 2019, 10:27:31 AM
Forced to retire because of concussions. He's not a top line winger anymore but he probably had a few good years of hockey left. Too bad, always liked him.

Yeah, I was sort of holding out hope that he might recover and want to join the Leafs on the cheap. I think he would have done nicely in a support role and added some scoring/size.

Ultimately, I think he's going to be one of these guys who gets hurt by his era/circumstances. According to HR's adjusted scoring he'd be at just under 500 goals in 1060 games in a context neutral era and that's with really never playing with an elite Centre(and really being the only offensive threat on some of those Columbus teams). I think if he'd played in the 80's he'd probably be a HOFer.

As is though, 400+ goals and two Gold Medals. Nice career.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 12, 2019, 10:48:27 PM
Nice career. Not a HHOF tho but solid career.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 13, 2019, 08:06:18 AM
Speaking of HHoF careers


Can you imagine being so rooted in your rockem sockem Canadiana beliefs in the face of 4 years of evidence to the contrary?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 13, 2019, 01:58:38 PM
Nice career. Not a HHOF tho but solid career.
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I think there's 10-12 people who've been inducted he's clearly better than but the particular biases of the HHOF will work against him in that regard.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 13, 2019, 05:05:24 PM
Nice career. Not a HHOF tho but solid career.

I think there's 10-12 people who've been inducted he's clearly better than but the particular biases of the HHOF will work against him in that regard.
Doesn't mean Nash is deserving because of them. He finished top 30 in scoring only 3 times, 18th, 31st 20th. Finished out of top 50, 7 times. By comparison,  Ilya Kovalchuck drafted 1 year earlier has more points and played over 200 less games. 852gp 424g 412a 836pts. Like I said, Nash was a good player and the top of his draft year as far as points are concerned, just not HHOF worthy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 13, 2019, 06:00:13 PM
I don't think a HHOF career has a particular meaning beyond exceeding the standards the HHOF has set for itself by virtue of the players they've inducted in the past.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 13, 2019, 11:27:06 PM

Also, re: Kovalchuk while I think Kovalchuk was probably the better player I think it'd be hard to overstate just how bad the offensive talent was around Nash for his career. We think of Kovalchuk as being on some bad teams and he was but for most of his career he had guys around him to take some of the scoring load off his shoulders. Hossa, Heatley, Savard, Parise...

Meanwhile, the guys Nash played with is a pretty terrible collection. The best players in his career that he was even on the same team with are probably either past-their-prime Brad Richards or Martin St. Louis or never-weres like Nikolai Zherdev and Mats Zuccarello. If he'd played with even an average collection of offensive talent I think it's fair to say he'd have finished much closer to, or even over, 500 goals.

So while I think it's unlikely that he does make the HOF, I think that has way, way more to do with the circumstances he played under rather than  a reflection on him as a player.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 14, 2019, 01:20:27 PM

lmao

I'm sure they're looking for more of a top-6 guy but we should really be seeing if they'd overpay for Connor Brown because of his connection with McDavid.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 01:30:05 PM

lmao

I'm sure they're looking for more of a top-6 guy but we should really be seeing if they'd overpay for Connor Brown because of his connection with McDavid.

Sign me up for that Oilers first round pick, they always get lucky and pick in the top 3.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 14, 2019, 01:37:19 PM

Imagine having their draft record and looking around and saying "Man, we really need some help at forward".

This league is such a ridiculous joke.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 02:50:52 PM

Imagine having their draft record and looking around and saying "Man, we really need some help at forward".

This league is such a ridiculous joke.

Have you seen their trade record? Nature finds a way.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 14, 2019, 03:15:53 PM
Have you seen their trade record? Nature finds a way.

I don't know what you're referring to but I'm referring to their ability to run their business this badly, get government subsidies for a new arena and have the general public support their locking out their employees to preserve their right to profitability.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 03:25:17 PM
Is it very mean of me to wish for the Oilers to deal their first rounder, miss the playoffs and then win the lottery for the team they dealt the pick to? 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 03:39:26 PM
Have you seen their trade record? Nature finds a way.

I don't know what you're referring to but I'm referring to their ability to run their business this badly, get government subsidies for a new arena and have the general public support their locking out their employees to preserve their right to profitability.

Oh, I meant their draft record (er, collection of 1st OAs) was squandered frivolously, not really in reference to their other shadiness.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 03:39:45 PM
Is it very mean of me to wish for the Oilers to deal their first rounder, miss the playoffs and then win the lottery for the team they dealt the pick to?

What about Ottawa --> Colorado?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 14, 2019, 03:44:30 PM
Is it very mean of me to wish for the Oilers to deal their first rounder, miss the playoffs and then win the lottery for the team they dealt the pick to?

What about Ottawa --> Colorado?

I enjoy that too.  I'm a mean guy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 14, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
Is it very mean of me to wish for the Oilers to deal their first rounder, miss the playoffs and then win the lottery for the team they dealt the pick to?

What about Ottawa --> Colorado?

I enjoy that too.  I'm a mean guy.

I'm kind of okay with either, but if the Oilers end up trading their 1st to us for Connor Brown, then that's the chaos I'm rooting for.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on January 14, 2019, 05:47:55 PM
Is it very mean of me to wish for the Oilers to deal their first rounder, miss the playoffs and then win the lottery for the team they dealt the pick to?

What about Ottawa --> Colorado?

I enjoy that too.  I'm a mean guy.

I'm kind of okay with either, but if the Oilers end up trading their 1st to us for Connor Brown, then that's the chaos I'm rooting for.

I'm as big a Brown fan as any, but I'd take a mid-late first rounder for Brown.

The Oilers really do have an absolutely abysmal record from the 2nd round and down over the past decade.  It's embarrassing brutal.

Given that, it's really no surprise that they, well, suck.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 15, 2019, 01:02:57 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 15, 2019, 01:05:41 PM
I would try to get Nurse if possible.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
"All in on making the playoffs" my god I love it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 15, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
I would try to get Nurse if possible.

He's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 01:15:14 PM


You would think a team like Carolina would make a push for Poolparty, since they already have Aho and Teravainen they could get that all Finnish thing going. 

I thought the Oilers wanted forward help though?  How is trading a not-yet 21 year old forward with promise helping that?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 15, 2019, 01:39:09 PM
I would try to get Nurse if possible.

He's not going anywhere.
Probably not but don't forget, we're talking Chia here lol..I would ask about him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 15, 2019, 02:27:29 PM
"All in on making the playoffs" my god I love it.

Chiarelli is all in on saving his job.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 15, 2019, 03:04:34 PM
"All in on making the playoffs" my god I love it.

Chiarelli is all in on saving his job.
Yup. He's gone if they miss. Has to be.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 15, 2019, 03:34:09 PM
"All in on making the playoffs" my god I love it.

Chiarelli is all in on saving his job.
Yup. He's gone if they miss. Has to be.

Nicholson said as much earlier this year.  I'm paraphrasing but he basically said if Oilers make the playoffs than Chiarelli stays on, which infers there's no guarantee he's back if they miss.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 15, 2019, 03:38:33 PM
"All in on making the playoffs" my god I love it.

Chiarelli is all in on saving his job.
Yup. He's gone if they miss. Has to be.

Nicholson said as much earlier this year.  I'm paraphrasing but he basically said if Oilers make the playoffs than Chiarelli stays on, which infers there's no guarantee he's back if they miss.
Can't see him back if they miss. They have the best player in the world and all those picks and are still crap. We Leaf fans are doing ok.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on January 15, 2019, 06:01:46 PM
Would anyone trade Brown for Puljujarvi?
I'd do it.  Worst case, he fails here too and Moore takes over Brown's spot.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 15, 2019, 07:13:36 PM
"All in on making the playoffs" my god I love it.

Chiarelli is all in on saving his job.
Yup. He's gone if they miss. Has to be.

Nicholson said as much earlier this year.  I'm paraphrasing but he basically said if Oilers make the playoffs than Chiarelli stays on, which infers there's no guarantee he's back if they miss.
Can't see him back if they miss. They have the best player in the world and all those picks and are still crap. We Leaf fans are doing ok.

Not only that, but the cavalry ain't coming. They're trending back toward tank because they don't have the pieces coming to compete.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on January 15, 2019, 07:14:48 PM
Would anyone trade Brown for Puljujarvi?
I'd do it.  Worst case, he fails here too and Moore takes over Brown's spot.

Yes, I would do this. Probably wouldn't be a bad move for the Oilers either, the optics are bad though.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 15, 2019, 08:53:25 PM
Would anyone trade Brown for Puljujarvi?
I'd do it.  Worst case, he fails here too and Moore takes over Brown's spot.

It's an interesting question. I know it's not a satisfying answer but I think this is something where you'd have to actually have an opinion on Puljujarvi beyond "He was drafted high, therefore he's got untapped potential that the Oilers just haven't figured out."

Otherwise, while you're right that there's not a huge hockey cost if Brown goes, I'd have to weigh the actual potential Puljujarvi's got(and his ability to be a functional bottom 6 guy) vs. generally being happy with team chemistry as is.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on January 15, 2019, 09:44:56 PM
It's an interesting question. I know it's not a satisfying answer but I think this is something where you'd have to actually have an opinion on Puljujarvi beyond "He was drafted high, therefore he's got untapped potential that the Oilers just haven't figured out."

Otherwise, while you're right that there's not a huge hockey cost if Brown goes, I'd have to weigh the actual potential Puljujarvi's got(and his ability to be a functional bottom 6 guy) vs. generally being happy with team chemistry as is.

Not satisfying, but true.  Assuming we have nothing better to "spend" Brown on, I'd be interested if the scouts saw enough to be worth the chance.  I believe that he'll have to go next year, anyways - I don't think we can afford a 2.1M fourth line player.

Classic low risk, high reward opportunity.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Andy on January 16, 2019, 08:02:39 AM
It's an interesting question. I know it's not a satisfying answer but I think this is something where you'd have to actually have an opinion on Puljujarvi beyond "He was drafted high, therefore he's got untapped potential that the Oilers just haven't figured out."

Otherwise, while you're right that there's not a huge hockey cost if Brown goes, I'd have to weigh the actual potential Puljujarvi's got(and his ability to be a functional bottom 6 guy) vs. generally being happy with team chemistry as is.

Not satisfying, but true.  Assuming we have nothing better to "spend" Brown on, I'd be interested if the scouts saw enough to be worth the chance.  I believe that he'll have to go next year, anyways - I don't think we can afford a 2.1M fourth line player.

Classic low risk, high reward opportunity.

Yea, I mean I certainly don't have a problem with Brown but a potential straight-up swap for Puljujarvi seems kind of like a no brainer to me
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Post by: herman on January 16, 2019, 08:06:58 AM

So. Cute.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on January 16, 2019, 09:13:26 AM
Snow wall might be a slight stretch.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Andy on January 16, 2019, 09:15:05 AM
Snow wall might be a slight stretch.

So it's more like a minor Fluery?    :-X
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 16, 2019, 09:17:19 AM
Yeah when I heard about that I was expecting a lot more snow.

I mean Wade Redden wouldn't even get out of bed for that much.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 16, 2019, 09:31:52 AM
Yeah when I heard about that I was expecting a lot more snow.

I mean Wade Redden wouldn't even get out of bed for that much.

Oooohh....
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 16, 2019, 09:59:37 AM

Who was it that wanted Alzner on the Leafs last season?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 16, 2019, 12:29:19 PM

Who was it that wanted Alzner on the Leafs last season?
I'm sure there were a bunch but not at what he got. I think everyone thought the habs overpaid for him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 18, 2019, 01:46:28 PM
I'm sure there were a bunch but not at what he got. I think everyone thought the habs overpaid for him.

Pretty sure only one person here wanted him, but I won't out him for this old take.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 18, 2019, 01:47:50 PM

I hope Patrik Berglund gets the time and help he needs to sort through whatever is happening.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2019, 02:28:27 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on January 18, 2019, 02:41:29 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 18, 2019, 02:57:56 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.

He's from Finland.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 18, 2019, 03:29:57 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.

He's from Finland.

Finland, Sweden, it's all European to me.  ;)

Laine though, he's always been a streaky scorer, but this slump is more pronounced than previous seasons.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 18, 2019, 03:44:51 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.

He's from Finland.

Somebody get that man a full time geographers!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: caveman on January 18, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.

He's from Finland.

Bazinga !! funniest line of the day !
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on January 18, 2019, 04:20:02 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.

He's from Finland.

Bazinga !! funniest line of the day !
BAhhh! I meant Finland... relax everyone. 17 goals in 12 games starting with Nov 1 hat trick in FINLAND.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: IJustLurkHere on January 18, 2019, 04:52:49 PM
Just looking at some stats. I'm guessing the Jets are totally happy with Laine's play lately because the kid is losing money like nobody's business. Since his 5 goal output on Nov 24 when he was leading the league in goals, he's put up just 6 g and 12 points in the last 25 games...Wow I didn't know it was that bad.
Send him to home to Sweden over the All-Star break. Last time he went to Sweden he caught fire. Hire him a fulltime psychologists as well.

He's from Finland.

Bazinga !! funniest line of the day !
BAhhh! I meant Finland... relax everyone. 17 goals in 12 games starting with Nov 1 hat trick in FINLAND.

He can go to Finland once he scores. Send him to Sweden!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2019, 12:05:50 PM
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lmao
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 21, 2019, 01:14:02 PM
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lmao

Oilers clearing room for Zaitsev
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2019, 01:17:48 PM
Oilers clearing room for Zaitsev

At this point they don't even have the cap space to activate Sekera off LTIR.

In Chiarelli's defence though, who could have possibly seen that becoming an issue when he recently added $4.2mil worth of 6-7 defencemen in Manning/Petrovic.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 21, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
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lmao

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Edmonton would literally be better off if their GM was an inanimate carbon rod.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2019, 01:43:03 PM
Edmonton would literally be better off if their GM was an inanimate carbon rod.

You mean potato (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/7/6/4498278/better-free-agency-dave-nonis-potato-terrible-management-eternal-mediocrity-nihilism-for-beginners).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 21, 2019, 01:50:47 PM
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lmao

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Edmonton would literally be better off if their GM was an inanimate carbon rod.

(https://frinkiac.com/img/S05E15/1253701.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 21, 2019, 02:04:36 PM
Edmonton would literally be better off if their GM was an inanimate carbon rod.

You mean potato (https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2013/7/6/4498278/better-free-agency-dave-nonis-potato-terrible-management-eternal-mediocrity-nihilism-for-beginners).

I actually started with the full description of what the Potato GM's rules were, but then scaled it back to potato, thought better of swiping a Leaf reference, and went with the ol' C-Rod.

TIL Edmonton is over the cap (LTIR).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2019, 07:27:19 PM
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What are they doing lmao
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on January 21, 2019, 07:53:56 PM
Oilers gonna Oiler
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on January 21, 2019, 09:05:08 PM
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What are they doing lmao
This goalie is 30 years old and has 31 career NHL games, am I missing something here?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on January 21, 2019, 09:58:19 PM
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What are they doing lmao
This goalie is 30 years old and has 31 career NHL games, am I missing something here?

Dud you miss Oilers plus Chiarelli??
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 21, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
Koskinen over the last two months:

16GP  3.21 GAA  .901 SV%

He had a hot November and has been...ummm not great since then.  Edmonton is a tire fire of a team right now but I'm not sure how his performance earns 4+ million dollars or anything more than a 1-2 year deal.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 21, 2019, 11:06:33 PM
Koskinen over the last two months:

16GP  3.21 GAA  .901 SV%

He had a hot November and has been...ummm not great since then.  Edmonton is a tire fire of a team right now but I'm not sure how his performance earns 4+ million dollars or anything more than a 1-2 year deal.

Well they probably had to account for the fact that he plays a position of need for them and there's a learning curve for international players and he was still adjusting to a new country and team and league and he probably has room to improve and of course the player had the threat of leaving for the KHL as a negotiating tactic and... goddamnit this is basically the Zaitsev extension.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 21, 2019, 11:07:29 PM
Done deal...Wow, just wow...Apparently you can get Oiler tickets for less then face value now. It's that bad there and seems the fans are fed up.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 21, 2019, 11:08:40 PM
Well they probably had to account for the fact that he plays a position of need for them and there's a learning curve for international players and he was still adjusting to a new country and team and league and he probably has room to improve and of course the player had the threat of leaving for the KHL as a negotiating tactic and... goddamnit this is basically the Zaitsev extension.
What was Lou thinking???
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2019, 11:37:21 AM

(http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36700000/Captain-Planet-and-the-Planeteers-image-captain-planet-and-the-planeteers-36711531-640-387.jpg)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2019, 12:32:39 PM
If you want to see a real botch-job:
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 22, 2019, 02:22:24 PM
Koskinen over the last two months:

16GP  3.21 GAA  .901 SV%

He had a hot November and has been...ummm not great since then.  Edmonton is a tire fire of a team right now but I'm not sure how his performance earns 4+ million dollars or anything more than a 1-2 year deal.

Well they probably had to account for the fact that he plays a position of need for them and there's a learning curve for international players and he was still adjusting to a new country and team and league and he probably has room to improve and of course the player had the threat of leaving for the KHL as a negotiating tactic and... goddamnit this is basically the Zaitsev extension.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on January 22, 2019, 02:32:52 PM
Koskinen over the last two months:

16GP  3.21 GAA  .901 SV%

He had a hot November and has been...ummm not great since then.  Edmonton is a tire fire of a team right now but I'm not sure how his performance earns 4+ million dollars or anything more than a 1-2 year deal.

Well they probably had to account for the fact that he plays a position of need for them and there's a learning curve for international players and he was still adjusting to a new country and team and league and he probably has room to improve and of course the player had the threat of leaving for the KHL as a negotiating tactic and... goddamnit this is basically the Zaitsev extension.

[emoji23]
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on January 22, 2019, 05:52:59 PM
Koskinen over the last two months:

16GP  3.21 GAA  .901 SV%

He had a hot November and has been...ummm not great since then.  Edmonton is a tire fire of a team right now but I'm not sure how his performance earns 4+ million dollars or anything more than a 1-2 year deal.

Well they probably had to account for the fact that he plays a position of need for them and there's a learning curve for international players and he was still adjusting to a new country and team and league and he probably has room to improve and of course the player had the threat of leaving for the KHL as a negotiating tactic and... goddamnit this is basically the Zaitsev extension.


Is the clause that he can request a trade out of Edmonton whenever he wants? 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 24, 2019, 11:53:44 AM
https://www.thepointhockey.com/why-is-goal-scoring-up-so-much-weve-got-the-answer/

Sure looks like all those analytics department investments are starting to pay off, eh?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 24, 2019, 02:18:50 PM
If they werent already done before, the Ducks are pretty much cooked now with Ondrej Kase out for the rest of the season with a torn labrum. Combined with them trading away Pontus Aberg, the Ducks are down two of their top three goal scorers on the season.

Granted their top three goal scorers had net 12, 11, and 11 goals thus far.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 26, 2019, 05:53:05 PM

lol NHL.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 26, 2019, 06:09:09 PM

Its never too late.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 27, 2019, 10:22:26 AM
Ah it looks like the NHL managed to screw this up too
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 27, 2019, 01:00:24 PM
What did the NHL screw it up?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 27, 2019, 02:44:32 PM

Yeah, I don't really get this one. It seems like the issue is the actual time she did it in which nobody is completely sure of. I appreciate that it would have been easy enough for the NHL to just write the check but they should be supporting women's hockey in a much broader sense that making a big deal out of this doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 27, 2019, 03:57:04 PM
Yay a tokenism
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 28, 2019, 06:02:19 AM
I think all 4 women that took part in the competition should be paid in some fashion by the NHL. The NHL passes all their recent activity with the CWHL as them building the women's game. I see it as them using women's hockey and these talented hockey players as a marketing tool.
No one can blame Johnston, Fast, Decker and Coyne Schofeld from wanting to take part, but if you're going to bring these women in to try to attract more female viewers for your own business, they should be compensated.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 28, 2019, 09:36:43 AM
I think they should have participated in the all-star game; one per team.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 28, 2019, 09:52:26 AM
I think they should have participated in the all-star game; one per team.

I think that by doing this you can solve two problems at once. First, it extends the NHL's partnership with woman's hockey. Invite 4 players from that side, 2 from each league and have one play on each team. To be honest this seems like such a no-brainer to me.

Obviously you would still need even lines for each team, and they can't select less NHLers so instead take two more NHLers for each team to give 4 even lines instead of 3. This will make it easier for the NHL to have one participant from each of the 31 (soon to be 32) teams AND not have to leave off guys like Marner and Point and Giordano and such. Yeah you end up with more "all-stars" per season than they have historically, but I mean the sanctity of the all-star game was destroyed a long time ago who cares.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 28, 2019, 10:00:08 AM
Broadcasts didn't even show the women involved as they were invited to merely demonstrate.

Coyne Schofield was invited by the Avs and MacKinnon to participate in full due to the latter's injury.

The NHL didn't do anything until social media (and equipment companies) shamed them into some action, and the action they took was to make a donation on behalf of each player. Donating to charity is good. Donating on behalf of a small group of people for whom it is well known that a) the NHL pays a lot of lip service to grow the market, b) players are paid a pittance (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/cwhl-will-pay-its-players-for-the-first-time-starting-this-season/article36139819/) and many have had to quit to stabilize their financial and life balance (they have full-time jobs usually) when they normally pay out All Star players (and event winners) is a PR/marketing misstep. That the donation amount, a mere drop in an NHL budget, was more than twice the highest salary of a N/CWHL player is extra yikes.

I think it would be wise of the NHL to partner more fully with the womens' leagues, especially for the All Star event. They want eyeballs on their own show which as become increasingly difficult. Based on last season's test run and this year's excitement (and oopsies), it's pretty clear this has weight. The All Star game style of individual skill + fancy shinny is the perfect place to showcase hockey talent regardless of sex.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 28, 2019, 10:04:35 AM

Does it really matter if the NHL doesn't seem to particularly care about the women's game regardless? You're bringing them to the All-Star game to promote what? A league the NHL doesn't care about?

The NBA has been in the business of Women's Basketball for years. The NHL could be too. But pretending like some sort of halfway "Hey, why not have a few people at the all-star game so we can pretend we care" is meaningless.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 28, 2019, 10:08:52 AM
But pretending like some sort of halfway "Hey, why not have a few people at the all-star game so we can pretend we care" is meaningless.

It wouldn't be meaningless to all the little girls watching them play.

Even if it is just a half-assed measure on the NHL's part, the effect would be huge.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 28, 2019, 10:25:50 AM
It wouldn't be meaningless to all the little girls watching them play.

Even if it is just a half-assed measure on the NHL's part, the effect would be huge.

Even if I agreed that little girls aren't smart enough to see through that kind of thing why criticize the league for not engaging in half-assery as opposed to whole-assery?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 28, 2019, 10:29:51 AM
Representation kind of matters, yeah?


Even this token effort so far makes a difference. Just because they kind of suck at it now, doesn't mean the NHL shouldn't try again and do better next time. It's like selling something through Amazon: they've got the reach and exposure to kick start something good. And it draws attention to the way the established media covers the sport too.

Pierre Maguire telling Coyne Schofield that she can bet that none of the guys want to lose to her was really something  :o
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 28, 2019, 10:34:23 AM
Representation kind of matters, yeah?

Vs. actually creating opportunities for Women's hockey?

Again, the NBA has incorporated women into their all-star game weekend for probably more than 20 years because they actually have a financial stake in women's basketball.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 28, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
Even if I agreed that little girls aren't smart enough to see through that kind of thing why criticize the league for not engaging in half-assery as opposed to whole-assery?

Ideally something like that would just be the first step in building up women's hockey.

Regardless though I think you're grossly underestimating the effect even a half assed/token/small measure something like this has. Don't really know what else to say about that.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 28, 2019, 10:51:44 AM
Regardless though I think you're grossly underestimating the effect even a half assed/token/small measure something like this has.

No, I'm wondering why we're looking for small measures as opposed to appropriately sized ones. I think history has taught us that if folks like the NHL can get away with small token gestures they will and point to their token gestures as evidence that they don't need to properly address things.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 28, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
Representation kind of matters, yeah?

Vs. actually creating opportunities for Women's hockey?

Again, the NBA has incorporated women into their all-star game weekend for probably more than 20 years because they actually have a financial stake in women's basketball.

I want that too, but it's clear the league needs some notion of critical mass to commit their whole ass. The Leafs are already pushing for it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 28, 2019, 11:05:45 AM
Up and down their structure, the NBA is far more progressive than the downright archaic NHL.

No other professional sports league hires executives overwhelmingly from its former player pool. They usually have professional executives, who can manage numbers and people.

It's very weird to me but also super obvious that mainstream hockey folk would look at a GAR model and dismiss it entirely based on 2 or 3 outlier players (by name recognition) rather than question their evaluation methods, and then at the same time take forever to sift out GMs whose outlier moves are the accidentally good ones.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on January 28, 2019, 11:07:24 AM
I want that too, but it's clear the league needs some notion of critical mass to commit their whole ass. The Leafs are already pushing for it.

Which is why I tend to think that starting things off with all-star integration is probably a bad idea. Because realistically what you'd be exposing the public to is the reality that the women are actually slower than the men and don't do things like shoot the puck as hard.

Expose people to the actual game, not just throwing a few token women into a game with bunch of guys who are just trying not to get hurt. Like I said above, don't push for half-measures because then you're probably just going to get half-measures. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 30, 2019, 09:29:57 PM

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/10j5rIRn1U0il2/source.gif)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 31, 2019, 01:35:13 AM
The Leafs should sign her up...🤪

(https://imageshack.com/i/pmtncHPCj)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 31, 2019, 02:10:22 AM
The Islanders turnaround:  How coach Barry Trotz figures into this...

The Trotz Difference
TEAM    SEASON    ACTUAL GOALS FOR  EXPECTED GOALS FOR   DIFFERENCE
Islanders   2018-19        54.68                     49.05                           5.63
Capitals     2017-18        52.68                     47.08                           5.60
Capitals     2016-17        60.94                     51.13                           9.81
Capitals     2015-16        55.42                     51.55                           3.87


Quote
Talent eventually wins out in the NHL, and there's only so much that even Barry Trotz and his system will be able to squeeze out of this roster. But for now, the strings he's been expertly pulling have them looking like a tough out on a nightly basis, which is a complete 180 from their defensive debacle last season.

There's long been debate in hockey circles about how much impact a coach and his system can realistically have on a team's results. If the Islanders are any indication, the answer is: a resounding amount.


http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25623936/trendspotting-tampa-bay-power-surge-sergei-bobrovsky-renaissance-more (http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25623936/trendspotting-tampa-bay-power-surge-sergei-bobrovsky-renaissance-more)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2019, 09:52:57 AM
The Leafs should sign her up...🤪

(https://imageshack.com/i/pmtncHPCj)

We could definitely use a speedy and nearly 2.0 PPG LW
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2019, 02:08:06 PM

AAAAAAAAAAA more weapons for our internet fights (and GDTs for Carlton)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on January 31, 2019, 02:11:24 PM

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/10j5rIRn1U0il2/source.gif)

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 02, 2019, 09:25:17 PM

The Jets laid down six goals in the first.

Good one, Randy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 06, 2019, 02:52:21 PM
3 points separate the 8th-9th-10th place teams in the East right now.

In the West 3 points separate the 8th-9th-10th-11th-12th-13th-14th place teams.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 11:22:43 AM
Good one, Randy.

Shut out by Ottawa last night for their 3rd 6+ game winless streak of the season. They're 2-14-4 in their last 20. The only question now is really if they bother firing Carlyle before the end of the season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 08, 2019, 11:34:33 AM
Good one, Randy.

Shut out by Ottawa last night for their 3rd 6+ game winless streak of the season. They're 2-14-4 in their last 20. The only question now is really if they bother firing Carlyle before the end of the season.

What options are on the table? Go with an established fellow in Todd McLellan? Or haha Ron Wilson? Or pull up a semi-new guy in Dallas Eakins who has been putting in some good work with San Diego?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 08, 2019, 11:50:13 AM
The Canadiens lit up Winnipeg last night. How are the Habs good this year?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 08, 2019, 11:58:57 AM
What options are on the table? Go with an established fellow in Todd McLellan? Or haha Ron Wilson? Or pull up a semi-new guy in Dallas Eakins who has been putting in some good work with San Diego?

I think it'll either be a short-term guy while they rollover the roster, or a young guy that can grow with the new core they need to put in place.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 08, 2019, 01:30:48 PM
What options are on the table? Go with an established fellow in Todd McLellan? Or haha Ron Wilson? Or pull up a semi-new guy in Dallas Eakins who has been putting in some good work with San Diego?

I think it'll either be a short-term guy while they rollover the roster, or a young guy that can grow with the new core they need to put in place.

I hope Eakins gets a shot then. The younger chunk of the roster already know him and vice versa.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 08, 2019, 01:33:22 PM
What options are on the table? Go with an established fellow in Todd McLellan? Or haha Ron Wilson? Or pull up a semi-new guy in Dallas Eakins who has been putting in some good work with San Diego?

I think it'll either be a short-term guy while they rollover the roster, or a young guy that can grow with the new core they need to put in place.

Peter Horachek is available.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 09, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Carolina is 1 point behind the Penguins for 8th in the East right now, both teams are at 55 games. Buffalo is 2 points behind with a game in hand. And Pittsburgh is 3-7-1 in their last 11 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
See ya Randy!

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ducks-fire-head-coach-randy-carlyle-bob-murray-take/
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
After getting spanked by Philly, Anaheim has relieved Randy Carlyle of his coaching duties.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: disco on February 10, 2019, 01:01:54 PM
I checked out Anaheim on cap-friendly. With all due respect to Burkie, THAT is cap hell.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 10, 2019, 01:46:52 PM
This is a lame duck confit.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on February 10, 2019, 01:50:07 PM

 He lasted a week longer than I expected.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 10, 2019, 05:50:56 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 10, 2019, 06:04:26 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

Might be. They have a pretty spotty record when it comes to developing young players in recent years. A couple bright spots/guys who have looked promising and may still have room to grow, but a lot of misses with some guys who seemed like potentially higher end pieces.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 11, 2019, 09:21:49 AM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

Max Domi has turned into a nice little player too with the Habs.

God I hate the Coyotes franchise with a passion.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: pmrules on February 12, 2019, 09:57:46 AM
Evgeni Malkin might be in some trouble...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 12, 2019, 09:58:47 AM
Evgeni Malkin might be in some trouble...
I certainly hope so... can't have a hissy fit like that go unpunished. 'I know it's dirty, but I missed'
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 12, 2019, 11:21:56 AM

Jesus, how drunk was he?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: louisstamos on February 12, 2019, 11:47:20 AM

Jesus, how drunk was he?

Welp, there go my Fantasy Pool chances...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 12, 2019, 11:47:33 AM
That is surprisingly candid and specific.

i.e. what is the real story here?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 12, 2019, 12:06:33 PM
That is surprisingly candid and specific.

i.e. what is the real story here?

Nah, I'm sure it's just that simple.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: azzurri63 on February 12, 2019, 12:19:49 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 12, 2019, 12:34:45 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?


Where were Strome and Marner together in the past?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 12, 2019, 01:01:26 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?


Where were Strome and Marner together in the past?
I think the world juniors and if memory serves, they weren't all that great together, meaning didn't dominate.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on February 12, 2019, 04:22:24 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?

Have you ever watched Strome play?  I have watched him in AZ and his effort level was nothing. When you draft a big center with a top 5 pick I don't think you expect to need wingers to carry him. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kadri. Bad skating is hard to overcome in today's NHL.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 12, 2019, 04:28:00 PM
Have you ever watched Strome play?  I have watched him in AZ and his effort level was nothing. When you draft a big center with a top 5 pick I don't think you expect to need wingers to carry him. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kadri. Bad skating is hard to overcome in today's NHL.

He's doing just fine in Chicago, so, maybe the problem wasn't him, his effort level, or his skating. He's looking very much like a top 5 pick for the Hawks. Looking more and more like the problem was the Coyotes' development system, coaching staff, and/or the team itself.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 12, 2019, 04:42:48 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?

Have you ever watched Strome play?  I have watched him in AZ and his effort level was nothing. When you draft a big center with a top 5 pick I don't think you expect to need wingers to carry him. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kadri. Bad skating is hard to overcome in today's NHL.


This is an odd time to rip on Strome considering how he's played in Chicago.  He has 30 points in 32 games.  It's the entire reason I mentioned him in the thread, he's risen from the ashes of Arizona to look like a real NHL player
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 12, 2019, 04:53:46 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?

Have you ever watched Strome play?  I have watched him in AZ and his effort level was nothing. When you draft a big center with a top 5 pick I don't think you expect to need wingers to carry him. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kadri. Bad skating is hard to overcome in today's NHL.


This is an odd time to rip on Strome considering how he's played in Chicago.  He has 30 points in 32 games.  It's the entire reason I mentioned him in the thread, he's risen from the ashes of Arizona to look like a real NHL player
Strome is playing with Kane also. That's helping just a wee bit, but still have to give him credit. He's making the most of the opportunity.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 12, 2019, 04:56:08 PM
Have you ever watched Strome play?  I have watched him in AZ and his effort level was nothing. When you draft a big center with a top 5 pick I don't think you expect to need wingers to carry him. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kadri. Bad skating is hard to overcome in today's NHL.

He was probably sulking because he wanted to play closer to home.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on February 12, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
So Dylan Strome has been point a game player since joining the Hawks. Perhaps the problem wasn't Strome but Arizona?

I always wonder if Dubas looked into acquiring Strome.
Same situation as Puljujrvi in Edmonton.
Change of scenery might do him good.
High drafts players with tons of talent but they going to be boom or bust?
Would liked to have seem Strome reunited with Marner.
Probably meant Kadri being shipped.
Strome + for Kadri what everyone think?

Have you ever watched Strome play?  I have watched him in AZ and his effort level was nothing. When you draft a big center with a top 5 pick I don't think you expect to need wingers to carry him. I don't think he will ever be as good as Kadri. Bad skating is hard to overcome in today's NHL.


This is an odd time to rip on Strome considering how he's played in Chicago.  He has 30 points in 32 games.  It's the entire reason I mentioned him in the thread, he's risen from the ashes of Arizona to look like a real NHL player

Drop a dead cat from twenty feet and it will bounce at least once. I stick with what I saw. That doesn't mean he will never try and never get points but what I saw was a guy not interested in putting in the effort to get the result. Maybe getting traded will be the wake-up call he needed but he wouldn't be the first guy to never put it together. I suspect not many here ever saw him play in AZ. I watched him in Glendale and Tucson, not a guy I want to see on the Leaf's.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 12, 2019, 05:39:20 PM

Drop a dead cat from twenty feet and it will bounce at least once. I stick with what I saw. That doesn't mean he will never try and never get points but what I saw was a guy not interested in putting in the effort to get the result. Maybe getting traded will be the wake-up call he needed but he wouldn't be the first guy to never put it together. I suspect not many here ever saw him play in AZ. I watched him in Glendale and Tucson, not a guy I want to see on the Leaf's.

Look, regardless of what you saw, the kid is putting up some pretty impressive numbers lately. His numbers were garbage in Phoenix, or Glendale, or wherever the hell they play until they get moved, but they're a whole lot better now.

Unsustainable?  Likely, but still certainly much better than the Phoenix days.

Maybe getting fired gave him a wake-up call to get his ass in gear.  Credit where credit's due, he's been a lot better.  Whether or not that keeps happening will be seen by both of us. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on February 12, 2019, 05:42:38 PM

Drop a dead cat from twenty feet and it will bounce at least once. I stick with what I saw. That doesn't mean he will never try and never get points but what I saw was a guy not interested in putting in the effort to get the result. Maybe getting traded will be the wake-up call he needed but he wouldn't be the first guy to never put it together. I suspect not many here ever saw him play in AZ. I watched him in Glendale and Tucson, not a guy I want to see on the Leaf's.

Look, regardless of what you saw, the kid is putting up some pretty impressive numbers lately. His numbers were garbage in Phoenix, or Glendale, or wherever the hell they play until they get moved, but they're a whole lot better now.

Unsustainable?  Likely, but still certainly much better than the Phoenix days.

Maybe getting fired gave him a wake-up call to get his ass in gear.  Credit where credit's due, he's been a lot better.  Whether or not that keeps happening will be seen by both of us.

I think I just said that? My post was in regards to the previous posters blaming AZ for Strome doing squat there. That was on Strome. And I wouldn't want my team to trade for him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 12, 2019, 05:53:36 PM

I think it's interesting that despite the scoring numbers being way up, Strome's possession numbers are actually down a bit. I'm not sure if that lends weight to the idea that he's just hitched a ride on Kane's coattails but either way I'm reluctant to get too all in on the big start to his Chicago career.

That said, as a lot of people in the past have mentioned, it can take bigger players a little bit longer to sort things out and their awkwardness frequently gets mistaken for a lack of effort so I wouldn't be surprised if the people who gave up on him at 21 were as wrong as people so frequently are in this situation.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 12, 2019, 05:56:10 PM

I think it's interesting that despite the scoring numbers being way up, Strome's possession numbers are actually down a bit. I'm not sure if that lends weight to the idea that he's just hitched a ride on Kane's coattails but either way I'm reluctant to get too all in on the big start to his Chicago career.

That said, as a lot of people in the past have mentioned, it can take bigger players a little bit longer to sort things out and their awkwardness frequently gets mistaken for a lack of effort so I wouldn't be surprised if the people who gave up on him at 21 were as wrong as people so frequently are in this situation.

OK.  I'll buy into this.

Dubas need to trade for Crouse.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on February 14, 2019, 12:28:36 PM
Hitchcock: Considered stepping down and also said the coaches want it more than the players.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/ken-hitchcock-reportedly-considered-stepping-down-as-head-coach-of-the-edmonton-oilers/ar-BBTytrn?li=AAggNb9 (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/ken-hitchcock-reportedly-considered-stepping-down-as-head-coach-of-the-edmonton-oilers/ar-BBTytrn?li=AAggNb9)

I feel he is being rather pompous and quite full of himself. He should probably do everyone and favor and step down.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 14, 2019, 10:15:51 PM
Hitchcock: Considered stepping down and also said the coaches want it more than the players.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/ken-hitchcock-reportedly-considered-stepping-down-as-head-coach-of-the-edmonton-oilers/ar-BBTytrn?li=AAggNb9 (https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/ken-hitchcock-reportedly-considered-stepping-down-as-head-coach-of-the-edmonton-oilers/ar-BBTytrn?li=AAggNb9)

I feel he is being rather pompous and quite full of himself. He should probably do everyone and favor and step down.
With all due respect when and article has rumours and It's pure speculation on my part, I tend not to put too much trust in the story. If Hitch himself said this, then that's another story. Also nowhere in that article is there a quote from Hitch saying the coaches want it more then the players. I have heard him say it tho, just isn't in this article.
Anyway, he's doing them a favour and if the players don't give a crap then I can see him saying why bother, even tho he hasn't officially yet.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 16, 2019, 05:59:43 AM

This one is amazing
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 16, 2019, 08:38:25 AM

Is it? I feel like most of these are touchdown celebrations I saw 15 years ago.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 16, 2019, 10:15:22 AM
Ive never watched a full game of concussion ball.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 17, 2019, 07:35:26 AM
Anything that makes Don Cherry get nonsensically irate is cool with me. Sticks in shooting lanes, running up a goal differential in tournaments, entertaining fans, not hitting vulnerable players on the ice, getting the best players from any part of the world to play hockey...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 17, 2019, 09:01:12 AM
Anything that makes Don Cherry get nonsensically irate is cool with me. Sticks in shooting lanes, running up a goal differential in tournaments, entertaining fans, not hitting vulnerable players on the ice, getting the best players from any part of the world to play hockey...

Yeah, I mean, none of these things offend me or anything but the flip side of that is that it's a little sad to see the new hockey media being like OMGZ! GRITTY CAN HAZ CHEEZBURGER! at even the slightest display of anything resembling fun.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 17, 2019, 10:44:17 AM
It would be kind of hilarious if some team beat the Canes in Carolina and then did a wacky celebration in front of their fans.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 17, 2019, 11:02:53 AM
It would be kind of hilarious if some team beat the Canes in Carolina and then did a wacky celebration in front of their fans.

It wasn't the whole team, but when Calgary beat Carolina a few weeks ago former Cane Elias Lindholm did it:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: TimKerr on February 17, 2019, 11:12:36 AM
It would be kind of hilarious if some team beat the Canes in Carolina and then did a wacky celebration in front of their fans.

Would they be jerks too?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on February 17, 2019, 06:02:24 PM
There are a lot of teams in Europe have rituals they do after games to thank the fans - often based around the goalies. Berlin for example have a celebration where the team lines up and skates toward the glass and does a wave at the fans in the terrace who do the wave back. The goalies also get an extra wave. But its the same after every win and seems much more natural. The Canes version of trying something different every time is a bit too forced.

But, if it actually gets the crowd engaged with the team and making more noise during the game then go for it. The atmosphere at rinks in North America is very inferior to that in Europe* so anything that helps.


*massive generalisation but certainly something I think is fairly true based on my experience over the years
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on February 17, 2019, 06:10:06 PM
There are a lot of teams in Europe have rituals they do after games to thank the fans - often based around the goalies. Berlin for example have a celebration where the team lines up and skates toward the glass and does a wave at the fans in the terrace who do the wave back. The goalies also get an extra wave. But its the same after every win and seems much more natural. The Canes version of trying something different every time is a bit too forced.

But, if it actually gets the crowd engaged with the team and making more noise during the game then go for it. The atmosphere at rinks in North America is very inferior to that in Europe* so anything that helps.


*massive generalisation but certainly something I think is fairly true based on my experience over the years

I agree with the generalization but in my experience it seems European fans were sometimes more concerned with the singing and dancing than actually watching the game??
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 17, 2019, 06:14:59 PM
I'm personally not a fan of that celebration stuff. Feels totally forced and isn't for me. I agree with Cherry in not liking them, but I don't think they're jerks for doing it.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 17, 2019, 06:39:27 PM
I'm personally not a fan of that celebration stuff. Feels totally forced and isn't for me. I agree with Cherry in not liking them, but I don't think they're jerks for doing it.


Yeah I don't care for it either but not like it's hurting anyone. Who cares if they celebrate post game
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 17, 2019, 06:58:32 PM
I'm personally not a fan of that celebration stuff. Feels totally forced and isn't for me. I agree with Cherry in not liking them, but I don't think they're jerks for doing it.


Yeah I don't care for it either but not like it's hurting anyone. Who cares if they celebrate post game
It isn't the Leafs so, all is good!!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 18, 2019, 06:35:06 AM
Let them celebrate.  It will get the crowd to the arena knowing that if their team wins, theyll be entertained with a celebratory victory.

All in good fun for everyone and no harm done.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on February 18, 2019, 06:38:41 AM
There are a lot of teams in Europe have rituals they do after games to thank the fans - often based around the goalies. Berlin for example have a celebration where the team lines up and skates toward the glass and does a wave at the fans in the terrace who do the wave back. The goalies also get an extra wave. But its the same after every win and seems much more natural. The Canes version of trying something different every time is a bit too forced.

But, if it actually gets the crowd engaged with the team and making more noise during the game then go for it. The atmosphere at rinks in North America is very inferior to that in Europe* so anything that helps.


*massive generalisation but certainly something I think is fairly true based on my experience over the years

I agree with the generalization but in my experience it seems European fans were sometimes more concerned with the singing and dancing than actually watching the game??

There are some fans among them who stand with their backs to the game to either play a drum or lead chants. But they take it in turns so do catch some of the action. It is very much a case of being more than just about watching the game though and being about being part of the game, if that doesn't sound too cheesy and clich.

It's definitely incredibly fun to be in amongst a crowd like that and I've stood on the terrace at Berlin's new arena and old rink on many occasions. You don't really remember the intricacies of what happened on the ice (sometimes you can't even recall the exact score!), but you do remember feeling the emotions of a goal being scored or a game being won or lost much more.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 18, 2019, 06:42:20 AM

"Hey, want to go see a Hurricanes game? Tickets are only 50 bucks."

"Nah, I'm not much of a hockey fan."

"But they're a good, exciting young team with a real chance at making a push to the playoffs."

"Still, 50 bucks..."

"And after their wins they do little dances"

"I'm IN!"

I don't buy the Don Cherry "disgrace to the game" thing but the idea that this would actually draw a crowd is somehow even less convincing.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 18, 2019, 07:08:57 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 18, 2019, 07:23:23 AM
This is a good one:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on February 18, 2019, 09:22:56 AM

Who's the habs defensemen there and why did he start water skiing as soon as he came in contact with the Panther's player?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bates on February 18, 2019, 09:31:36 AM
Not sure I have my years right but I think salutegate lead directly to the 18 wheeler going off a cliff!!!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on February 18, 2019, 10:48:19 AM
Hey hey Habs have lost 4 straight, bueno
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on February 18, 2019, 11:32:21 AM
St Louis is in the midst of a resurgence thanks, in part, to a goalie change.  With Allen not getting it done, they moved to Binnington who's been lights out, posting a 12-1-1 record with a .923 sv% and 1.58 GAA.  They've pulled themselves back up to 3rd in the Central division with a 4 point lead over Dallas.

They're a team to watch right now with excellent goaltending and a potent offense over the same stretch.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on February 18, 2019, 06:27:43 PM
Hurricanes respond to Don Cherry calling team 'a bunch of jerks' (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/don-cherry-carolina-hurricanes-1.5023065)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: TML fan on February 18, 2019, 07:26:33 PM
I love how salty people are over this. Makes me smile.

Hell, I hope the Hurricanes win the Cup.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 18, 2019, 08:37:57 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 18, 2019, 08:55:29 PM
Hes no Tavares.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on February 18, 2019, 09:31:37 PM
I love how salty people are over this. Makes me smile.

Hell, I hope the Hurricanes win the Cup.
Hell, I hope they don't win another game.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 19, 2019, 01:22:04 AM
Hes no Tavares.



Thats a wax dummy.   ;D
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: KGB on February 19, 2019, 09:06:10 AM
Remember when Ovie tried that "burning stick" celebration?  Even his own teammates shunned it.  That wasn't long ago, either.  Now, this kind of crap is acceptable?  No thanks.  If the NHL is going to become the NFL, where it's all about how "intense" you are and how much you showboat, let me know now. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2019, 09:15:26 AM
Remember when Ovie tried that "burning stick" celebration?  Even his own teammates shunned it.  That wasn't long ago, either.  Now, this kind of crap is acceptable?  No thanks.  If the NHL is going to become the NFL, where it's all about how "intense" you are and how much you showboat, let me know now. 

Doing the limbo isn't "intense" in any way and they're not showboating (the other team has left the ice by the time this happens).

It's literally harmless fun (until one of them pops a shoulder jumping into the boards that is).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 19, 2019, 10:51:44 AM
Doing the limbo isn't "intense" in any way and they're not showboating (the other team has left the ice by the time this happens).

It's literally harmless fun (until one of them pops a shoulder jumping into the boards that is).

Exactly. And, aren't sports supposed to be fun? Aren't they supposed to provide entertainment? What's wrong with showing some joy when they win? I mean, we're mostly talking about guys in the 20s here. Let them act their age - and, at that age, it often means doing goofy stuff like this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2019, 12:28:28 PM

Bruins ruin everything
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2019, 12:47:27 PM
Not an NHL tilt, but I look forward to the talking heads fritzing out over this.


Id be down to see dance offs to settle scores.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 19, 2019, 12:56:56 PM

Bruins ruin everything
And were given 2 points last night. Their tying goal was an obvious highstick but they counted it. He never made contact again until after it crossed the goal line. Just weird.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/chris-wagner-exploits-high-stick-loophole-tie-game-late/
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Rob on February 19, 2019, 01:07:18 PM
Not an NHL tilt, but I look forward to the talking heads fritzing out over this.


Id be down to see dance offs to settle scores.

Ooooohhhhh can't wait for Cherry to see this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 19, 2019, 01:07:48 PM
He never made contact again until after it crossed the goal line.

The only way that goal would have counted is if he did make contract again before it crossed the line. From the angles shown in that video it certainly looks close. I'd imagine an overhead angle would say for sure and if the goal was allowed then the NHL must have seen him making contact again.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 19, 2019, 07:17:11 PM

Exactly what Nashville/Boston is looking for.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 21, 2019, 01:57:43 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dz8pDDhXgAExQVU.jpg:large)

credit: @cainesconvert
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on February 21, 2019, 06:30:32 PM

Exactly what Nashville/Boston is looking for.
Are you missing his diarrhea joke, or am I missing your diarrhea joke?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 21, 2019, 07:12:47 PM

Exactly what Nashville/Boston is looking for.
Are you missing his diarrhea joke, or am I missing your diarrhea joke?

The latter. Also a very very mild reference to their toilet contents colours.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on February 21, 2019, 10:13:06 PM

Exactly what Nashville/Boston is looking for.
Are you missing his diarrhea joke, or am I missing your diarrhea joke?

The latter. Also a very very mild reference to their toilet contents colours.
And don't forget, the Habs' crest looks like a toilet seat.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 22, 2019, 02:49:31 AM
Congratulations to Ovie on his 650th.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 22, 2019, 09:47:58 AM

DOPS announced that he's having a hearing. Leddy left the game but returned after clearing the concussion protocols.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: pmrules on February 22, 2019, 06:18:24 PM

DOPS announced that he's having a hearing. Leddy left the game but returned after clearing the concussion protocols.

McDavid has been suspended 2 games...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on February 24, 2019, 07:11:15 AM
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What an incredible athlete
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on February 25, 2019, 06:30:53 PM
Staal re-ups with MN for another 2 years.

https://www.tsn.ca/staal-wild-agree-to-two-year-6-5m-extension-1.1263858
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on February 25, 2019, 06:52:47 PM
That's a nice deal for the Wild. 
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2019, 07:08:30 PM
That's a nice deal for the Wild. 

He must really like it there.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 25, 2019, 07:09:46 PM

It's a fair enough deal but Minnesota is in such a weird middling place that it's hard to not look at it as just making him slightly more attractive trade bait.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 25, 2019, 10:22:55 PM
Very close to his home.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on February 26, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Can't stop laughing.

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Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on February 26, 2019, 09:12:32 PM
What's going on with all the crazy scoreboards tonight?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 01, 2019, 02:56:22 AM
Cute!

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2019, 09:17:37 PM

Is this good?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Dappleganger on March 01, 2019, 09:20:57 PM

Is this good?

I dunno. Herman, what do the analytics say? How are his zone entries?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 01, 2019, 09:44:15 PM

Is this good?

I dunno. Herman, what do the analytics say? How are his zone entries?

Only slightly better than Suglobov's. 

Not a driver of offence.  More of a recipient of others' work. Complementary player.  Nice to have, but not a building block.

Nylander will be proven the better overall contributor given time.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 02, 2019, 07:51:20 PM

Is this good?

I dunno. Herman, what do the analytics say? How are his zone entries?

Only slightly better than Suglobov's. 

Not a driver of offence.  More of a recipient of others' work. Complementary player.  Nice to have, but not a building block.

Nylander will be proven the better overall contributor given time.

Ovechkin has been riding shotgun to Nik Backstroms entries and playmaking. Nylander models his game after Backstrom, who used to be the Marner:Marleau to Michael Nylanders family.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on March 02, 2019, 08:53:24 PM
This is a bit naughty, surely worth more than 2 games?

https://www.nhl.com/video/lowry-suspended-two-games/t-277440360/c-66513603
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: disco on March 03, 2019, 02:57:51 PM
Superb career Iggy.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on March 03, 2019, 03:15:55 PM

 He was a great guy on and off the ice.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 03, 2019, 10:13:41 PM
Am I the only one enjoying the CBJ post-trade deadline flameout?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2019, 10:20:28 PM
Am I the only one enjoying the CBJ post-trade deadline flameout?

Nah, I was hoping they'd be a good enough 8th place team to take out Tampa (and then flame out in the 2nd round).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 03, 2019, 11:26:34 PM
Am I the only one enjoying the CBJ post-trade deadline flameout?

Nah, I was hoping they'd be a good enough 8th place team to take out Tampa (and then flame out in the 2nd round).
And let's not forget. If they won tonight, Montreal would be out of the wild card spot.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2019, 11:07:20 AM
Am I the only one enjoying the CBJ post-trade deadline flameout?

Nah, I was hoping they'd be a good enough 8th place team to take out Tampa (and then flame out in the 2nd round).

I was also kinda hoping theyd be responsible for pushing the Islanders out of the playoffs
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on March 04, 2019, 11:30:36 AM
Am I the only one enjoying the CBJ post-trade deadline flameout?

I haven't noticed but I would feel bad for them if they don't make the playoffs.  I feel bad for Edmonton.  I feel bad for Ottawa.  I hate seeing any team be hopeless.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 04, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
Speaking of feeling bad, it turns out Jesse Puljujarvi isnt bad, but hes had extra bone growths on both hips that rendered them as effective as a senior citizens. He just had surgery to repair the issue and is done for the season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 04, 2019, 11:18:22 PM

This was magnificent.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 05, 2019, 04:35:13 AM

This was magnificent.


Magnificently weird.  😲 🤷‍♀️ 🤡
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2019, 02:38:54 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2019, 02:45:03 PM
I've had the opportunity to name 4 sports teams that I play on and I hate myself for never suggesting "Yard Goats".
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 06, 2019, 12:00:24 PM
I've had the opportunity to name 4 sports teams that I play on and I hate myself for never suggesting "Yard Goats".

Ever named one of your teams "Dutch Rudder"???

And gotten pink jerseys?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 06, 2019, 12:25:08 PM
Ever named one of your teams "Dutch Rudder"???

And gotten pink jerseys?

Nope.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 06, 2019, 01:52:45 PM
Am I the only one enjoying the CBJ post-trade deadline flameout?

I haven't noticed but I would feel bad for them if they don't make the playoffs.  I feel bad for Edmonton.  I feel bad for Ottawa.  I hate seeing any team be hopeless.

They went out and spent a shitload to get good players. They aren't hopeless, just felt like those moves shouldn't have been made at the time due to the realities of the team. Should've shipped out Panarin/Bob to get picks to reload at the draft.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 06, 2019, 02:03:25 PM
Ever named one of your teams "Dutch Rudder"???

And gotten pink jerseys?

Nope.

Well, I wish I had been on one of your teams instead of that one.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: TML fan on March 06, 2019, 02:29:00 PM

They know that a Yard Goat isn't an actual animal, right?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 07, 2019, 10:59:53 AM
Apparently Dreger is shamelessly plugging Nonis to be in the running for the Oilers new GM position because as Dreger says "The Toronto Maple Leafs right now have Dave Nonis' fingerprints on them"

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 07, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
Apparently Dreger is shamelessly plugging Nonis to be in the running for the Oilers new GM position because as Dreger says "The Toronto Maple Leafs right now have Dave Nonis' fingerprints on them"

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 07, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
Apparently Dreger is shamelessly plugging Nonis to be in the running for the Oilers new GM position because as Dreger says "The Toronto Maple Leafs right now have Dave Nonis' fingerprints on them"

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif)


I mean technically he was the GM when they drafted Nylander although at the time I recall it was said to be Shanahan's influence that they actually took Willy instead of Ritchie, so..you know
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 07, 2019, 11:04:57 AM

I don't see why that's controversial. Nonis was with the team when they built a lot of the current roster.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 07, 2019, 11:05:08 AM
I mean technically he was the GM when they drafted Nylander although at the time I recall it was said to be Shanahan's influence that they actually took Willy instead of Ritchie, so..you know

Technically we never would have drafted Marner and Matthews if he didn't build such a crappy team/system before being fired.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 07, 2019, 11:10:58 AM
I mean technically he was the GM when they drafted Nylander although at the time I recall it was said to be Shanahan's influence that they actually took Willy instead of Ritchie, so..you know

Technically we never would have drafted Marner and Matthews if he didn't build such a crappy team/system before being fired.


I'm actually rooting for Nonis to get the job
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 07, 2019, 11:36:11 AM
Nonis was involved in some fashion for the following picks that are still Leafs property:
AGM: Kadri, Sparks, Rielly, Brown,
GM: Johnsson, Gauthier, Engvall, Nylander

Active Signings on the Leafs: Gardiner

Trades: Horton for Clarkson
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 07, 2019, 11:49:58 AM
Nonis was involved in some fashion for the following picks that are still Leafs property:
AGM: Kadri, Sparks, Rielly, Brown,
GM: Johnsson, Gauthier, Engvall, Nylander

Active Signings on the Leafs: Gardiner

Trades: Horton for Clarkson

Exactly and despite what seems to be the implication, Nonis wasn't Burke's drinks caddy. He was the team's director of Hockey Ops while Burke was the team's President.

Saying that Nonis built the current team would be a stretch, saying that he made a mark on it is just true.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 07, 2019, 11:59:34 AM
Saying that Nonis built the current team would be a stretch, saying that he made a mark on it is just true.

Sure, I guess what he said isn't technically false. But I feel like you could look at any failed GM and find that he still has some mark on a team years after he was fired. Just seems like a pretty weak argument for why he should be considered for another GM job.

I'd also say that the whole being 2nd cousins thing makes this feel weird. I'm surprised TSN doesn't see an issue with any of this. He's not reporting that Nonis IS under consideration for the GM job (at least from what I could tell), which would be fine because he's just reporting what his sources are saying. He's saying that he SHOULD be.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 07, 2019, 12:08:50 PM
Sure, I guess what he said isn't technically false. But I feel like you could look at any failed GM and find that he still has some mark on a team years after he was fired. Just seems like a pretty weak argument for why he should be considered for another GM job.

Sure although as Herman noted, some of those pieces are pretty significant and none of them are of the Auston Matthews "anyone would have taken them" variety. 

I'd also say that the whole being 2nd cousins thing makes this feel weird. I'm surprised TSN doesn't see an issue with any of this. He's not reporting that Nonis IS under consideration for the GM job (at least from what I could tell), which would be fine because he's just reporting what his sources are saying. He's saying that he SHOULD be.

The entire job of the hockey insider, whether it's Dreger or Friedman or McKenzie is about guys using unnamed sources to get scoops or dish "insider information" while doing all they can to protect those sources. I agree with you here but to some extent it's like pointing out a serial killer is also a notorious litterbug.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Strangelove on March 07, 2019, 10:22:47 PM
So I guess the Bruins will never lose another game in regulation again.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 07, 2019, 11:13:08 PM
So I guess the Bruins will never lose another game in regulation again.

April 2019:  "Toronto sweeps Boston with 4 overtime wins".
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 07, 2019, 11:21:18 PM
So I guess the Bruins will never lose another game in regulation again.
I watched most of that game. They work hard but man everything is going their way right now. Florida is a bad, bad team tho.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 08, 2019, 06:55:57 AM
With a perfectly acceptable 14 pts in his last 6 games, Crosby has vaulted all the way up to 4th in scoring.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 08, 2019, 08:22:30 AM
With a perfectly acceptable 14 pts in his last 6 games, Crosby has vaulted all the way up to 4th in scoring.

He's still decent I guess.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 08, 2019, 08:50:27 AM
Not bad for an old man.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 08, 2019, 10:13:43 AM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 08, 2019, 10:18:59 AM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.

I hope they miss and Duchene and Dzingel leave, it would be hilarious.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 08, 2019, 10:27:57 AM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.

I hope they miss and Duchene and Dzingel leave, it would be hilarious.

Duchene sure has the magic touch.  When Ottawa traded for him they went into the shitter right after that, now the same thing could be happening after Columbus gets him.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2019, 10:44:22 AM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.

I hope they miss and Duchene and Dzingel leave, it would be hilarious.

I'd prefer the squeak in, but proceed to get swept, with none of the games being particularly close. That way, Ottawa gets locked into a pick in the late teens, but everyone still wants out of Columbus.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 08, 2019, 10:55:56 AM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.

I hope they miss and Duchene and Dzingel leave, it would be hilarious.

Duchene sure has the magic touch.  When Ottawa traded for him they went into the shitter right after that, now the same thing could be happening after Columbus gets him.

He as drafted in the same year as Tavares and has 0 playoff goals in 8 games.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on March 08, 2019, 01:10:19 PM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.

I hope they miss and Duchene and Dzingel leave, it would be hilarious.

I'd prefer the squeak in, but proceed to get swept, with none of the games being particularly close. That way, Ottawa gets locked into a pick in the late teens, but everyone still wants out of Columbus.
Well if Columbus is in, chances are the Habs are out so I'm all for that happening.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Crake on March 08, 2019, 01:13:05 PM
Am I the only one that would like to see Columbus rewarded for being bold and swinging for the fences this year? I'm kind of tired of most teams and GM's being ultra conservative tbh
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 08, 2019, 01:34:16 PM
Another loss from Columbus last night, this time in a big 4-point game against Pittsburgh. In a pretty strange move Bobrovsky didn't get the start for the Blue Jackets, or even dress as the back-up. They remain 2 points behind Montreal and Carolina for the wild card spots. They have a game in hand on Montreal but Carolina has a game in hand on Columbus.

I hope they miss and Duchene and Dzingel leave, it would be hilarious.

I'd prefer the squeak in, but proceed to get swept, with none of the games being particularly close. That way, Ottawa gets locked into a pick in the late teens, but everyone still wants out of Columbus.
Well if Columbus is in, chances are the Habs are out so I'm all for that happening.

Added bonus
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 08, 2019, 01:56:11 PM
Am I the only one that would like to see Columbus rewarded for being bold and swinging for the fences this year? I'm kind of tired of most teams and GM's being ultra conservative tbh

I just think it would be funny if Duchene misses the playoffs again after being traded.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 08, 2019, 02:42:48 PM
Am I the only one that would like to see Columbus rewarded for being bold and swinging for the fences this year? I'm kind of tired of most teams and GM's being ultra conservative tbh

I don't see anything wrong with Icarus falling into the Sun.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 10, 2019, 03:20:06 PM
The Edmonton media has been trying to pump the tires of Keith Gretzky lately, saying that he should absolutely be a candidate for the Oilers GM position. That led to this amazing comment:


Yes, I'm sure Keith GRETZKY got to where he is in the hockey world entirely on merit.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 10, 2019, 07:48:07 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: TML fan on March 10, 2019, 08:38:50 PM
They aren't really serious about trying to stop these kinds of hits.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 14, 2019, 02:20:30 PM

This isnt NHL (AHL, right?) but it is hilarious and wonderful and possibly heartbreaking. Puck luck of the finest vintage.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 15, 2019, 09:11:10 AM
Did it count, or did they call icing, as they should have?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 15, 2019, 09:20:08 AM
Did it count, or did they call icing, as they should have?

Even if you don't think he got to the red line (I think he did), the goalie went out to play the puck so that would have negated the icing call. Also I mean the puck went directly into the net, so even if he shot that from his own end that's not icing.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frycer14 on March 15, 2019, 09:47:10 AM
They aren't really serious about trying to stop these kinds of hits.

I watched it a bunch of times, and actually have a bit of sympathy for Eichel on this. The other player drops his head substantially reaching for the puck a split second before impact, and instead of eichel establishing the angle and body position with regular contact, it turns into a sideways cartwheel. The amount of reaction time needed to eichel to let up on the play simply wasn't there.

I guess you have to suspend, but I wouldn't have given more than a game. Definitely no intent, in my mind.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 18, 2019, 11:24:27 AM
Montreal is now 3 points behind Columbus for the final wild card spot. Both teams have 10 games left. Columbus has 4 more ROW so they'll likely hold the tie-breaker, meaning Montreal needs to make up 4 points there. They play each other for the final time this season in a week and a half.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 18, 2019, 08:51:13 PM
Montreal is now 3 points behind Columbus for the final wild card spot. Both teams have 10 games left. Columbus has 4 more ROW so they'll likely hold the tie-breaker, meaning Montreal needs to make up 4 points there. They play each other for the final time this season in a week and a half.

This is a beautiful thing. I'm in Nashville when Columbus visits. hopefully the game carries big playoff implications for the Blue Jackets. It'd up the intensity.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 19, 2019, 09:56:03 AM
Guess who locked up the President's Trophy in March?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on March 19, 2019, 02:37:22 PM
Unofficial Stroke watch:
48 GP and 44 P with Chicago
68 GP and 50 P total on the season

Hell of a pickup by Chicago from a points perspective.  No idea his underlying advanced stats.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 19, 2019, 04:24:50 PM
Unofficial Stroke watch:
48 GP and 44 P with Chicago
68 GP and 50 P total on the season

Hell of a pickup by Chicago from a points perspective.  No idea his underlying advanced stats.

Possession numbers aren't great, and his on-ice shooting percentage is unsustainably high - though, it was absurdly low in Arizona. He's due for some regression next season, but will probably still put up as good numbers as Schmaltz did, and they also added Perlini in that deal.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on March 19, 2019, 05:58:17 PM
Thanks Busta, adds an interesting dimension.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Frank E on March 19, 2019, 09:05:37 PM
Matt Martin is a pretty tough guy, but man is old man Chara still a monster to fight.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 19, 2019, 09:31:46 PM
Matt Martin is a pretty tough guy, but man is old man Chara still a monster to fight.

Yeah thats a bad idea every time.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 20, 2019, 09:28:18 AM

There's a lot of interesting stuff here but the thing that I need to highlight is that Gritty won best team mascot. With 69% of the votes.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 20, 2019, 09:31:54 AM

Just found my new favourite Capital.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: L K on March 20, 2019, 11:02:30 AM

Just found my new favourite Capital.

Yep.   The Leafs need to acquire him immediately
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 20, 2019, 02:56:22 PM
There's a lot of interesting stuff here but the thing that I need to highlight is that Gritty won best team mascot. With 69% of the votes.

Gritty is awesome.

When reading the best female hockey player, my take away is: "seriously, they have a team named The Beauts?"
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 20, 2019, 10:49:20 PM

Ummmm
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 20, 2019, 11:11:45 PM

Ummmm
Well, we're boned.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on March 21, 2019, 08:21:43 AM
A great goal celebration.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 21, 2019, 08:23:47 AM

Ummmm
Well, we're boned.

Ron Hainsey's got this.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 21, 2019, 10:09:02 AM
What happens when Mitch Marner is cloned 3 times and all play on the same line together...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 21, 2019, 11:47:03 AM

Sup, Paul
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 21, 2019, 11:48:47 AM
Sounds more like a poor man's Stuart Hyman.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on March 21, 2019, 01:39:07 PM

Ummmm
Well, we're boned.

Ron Hainsey's got this.

Oh my god.  That second goal is insane.

Having said that, a way to beat Tampa is possibly to try to take no (or almost no) penalties.  Obviously, that's not easy to do, will take a fair bit of luck, as well as refs willing to step aside, but if there's a team equipped to do it, it's Toronto.  A very large amount of the delta between Toronto and Tampa is special teams.  Eliminate the special teams battle will go a long way to making such a matchup essentially a coin flip.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 22, 2019, 11:24:48 AM

Look more Caps to respect!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on March 22, 2019, 11:30:18 AM

Look more Caps to respect!

How many more until everyone but Ovechkin gets their invitations rescinded? All those Canadians, lacking in American patriotic values.  ;D
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on March 28, 2019, 09:49:49 PM
Columbus coming in clutch tonight
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on March 28, 2019, 09:56:58 PM
Leafs magic number is 1
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on March 31, 2019, 10:46:42 PM
Bruins lose to Red Wings 6-3. Unbeatable. We lost to the Sens so obviously we have no chance.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: wnc096 on April 01, 2019, 01:02:06 AM
Bruins lose to Red Wings 6-3. Unbeatable. We lost to the Sens so obviously we have no chance.

First Florida and now Detroit??

I thought Boston is a unstoppable machine! (According to some on this forum)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 01, 2019, 07:22:28 AM
What's sad is had Leafs beaten Philly and Sens they'd be only 2 points behind Boston and still a shot at home ice. Haven't taken advantage of the easy schedule down the stretch.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: wnc096 on April 01, 2019, 10:32:38 AM
What's sad is had Leafs beaten Philly and Sens they'd be only 2 points behind Boston and still a shot at home ice. Haven't taken advantage of the easy schedule down the stretch.

Same argument could be made for Boston in their last two losses
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Post by: Zee on April 01, 2019, 12:18:14 PM
What's sad is had Leafs beaten Philly and Sens they'd be only 2 points behind Boston and still a shot at home ice. Haven't taken advantage of the easy schedule down the stretch.

Same argument could be made for Boston in their last two losses


You take care of your own business and Leafs haven't done that especially against weaker opponents lately.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 01, 2019, 09:46:46 PM

Concussions are no joke. Hope the Lightning take this very seriously and use all measures of precaution. Maybe shutting him down until next season is the way to go here.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 03, 2019, 09:36:25 AM

Dellow following Hall to New Jersey is kinda funny, but I had hoped he would go to the Leafs. I don't agree with everything that he thinks but I believe he's very good at what he does.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2019, 09:59:49 AM
Dellow following Hall to New Jersey is kinda funny, but I had hoped he would go to the Leafs. I don't agree with everything that he thinks but I believe he's very good at what he does.

That's a pretty big scoop. He provides good grist for the mill and well-reasoned pushback against both mainstream narrative and twitterverse analytics alike. It will sadly never be published, but it would be interesting to see what he comes up with with access to more data.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: disco on April 03, 2019, 10:12:07 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2019, 11:27:03 AM

We all saw this coming, right?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2019, 11:31:13 AM

\_(ツ)_/
Puck luck
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 03, 2019, 11:36:26 AM

We all saw this coming, right?

Everyone but Dorion and Melynk apparently.

Although I will say Brady (and his brother, especially his brother) have both greatly surpassed what I expected them to do in their first year or two in the league and both would look amazing on the Leafs alongside Matthews. Problem of course is picking Tkachuk cost them a solid shot at a Matthews. I guess they'll get another whack at it next year though.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on April 03, 2019, 11:43:26 AM

We all saw this coming, right?

Everyone but Dorion and Melynk apparently.

Although I will say Brady (and his brother, especially his brother) have both greatly surpassed what I expected them to do in their first year or two in the league and both would look amazing on the Leafs alongside Matthews. Problem of course is picking Tkachuk cost them a solid shot at a Matthews. I guess they'll get another whack at it next year though.
Hard to fault them for picking Tkachuk considering his play to date. At least when we traded for Kessel we got to keep him, unlike the Sens and Duchene.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 03, 2019, 11:52:35 AM
Problem of course is picking Tkachuk cost them a solid shot at a Matthews.

 :o  ;)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2019, 12:14:56 PM
Speaking of things we all saw coming:


No, not the 500th point, which to be fair, is quite an achievement...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 03, 2019, 12:18:56 PM
Speaking of things we all saw coming:


No, not the 500th point, which to be fair, is quite an achievement...

Can't wait until his 600th point in 2027.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 03, 2019, 12:22:00 PM
Speaking of things we all saw coming:


No, not the 500th point, which to be fair, is quite an achievement...

I can't get over the way SN framed that goal. It was his first goal in 29 games. Why use a road split only there...
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2019, 12:25:47 PM
Media loooooooves its split stats. Makes it seem more advanced and analytical.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 03, 2019, 12:30:09 PM
Media loooooooves its split stats. Makes it seem more advanced and analytical.

It was the first goal he scored all season in the 1st period of a Tuesday game.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 03, 2019, 12:42:01 PM
Media loooooooves its split stats. Makes it seem more advanced and analytical.

It was the first goal he scored all season in the 1st period of a Tuesday game.

1st goal in 17 road games --> 1 + 17 = 27 --> Lucic's jersey number
V. obvi.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 04, 2019, 09:30:28 AM
Tyler Dellow, formerly of The Athletic, joins the New Jersey Devils front office providing his analytical expertise:

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 04, 2019, 09:49:13 AM
Speaking of this future data revolution...

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Soccer is certainly ahead of hockey in using this data and Power has observed a bit of a tipping point over the past 12 to 18 months where teams are seeing the impact of the data and actually believe what can be done. The sport has moved beyond the questioning phase.

Hockey, as the NHL builds out its player tracking platform, is very much entering the questioning phase. And therein lies the potential advantage for teams that capitalize.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 04, 2019, 10:12:11 AM
The top-4 goalies in save percentage (with a minimum of 40 GP) are all from 2 teams. Bishop (.933) and Khudobin (.926) in Dallas and Lehner (.928) and Greiss (.926). I wonder how the GMs handle that when it comes time to vote for the Vezina. Vasilevskiy seems to be the only goalie with a nomination locked up (and probably the win too), but after that it's a pretty wide open race.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 05, 2019, 09:22:53 AM
Storm Surges in the playoffs!
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 05, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Are we all Columbus fans tonight?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 05, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
Are we all Columbus fans tonight?
Yup
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 05, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
Are we all Columbus fans tonight?

Hard to say. Do you want Columbus delivering that dagger, or the Leafs tomorrow night?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 05, 2019, 01:17:01 PM
Hard to say. Do you want Columbus delivering that dagger, or the Leafs tomorrow night?

Yeah. I kinda want it to come down to Saturday - especially if the Ottawa-Columbus games stays close/tied for most of the night. Eliminating the Habs in Montreal would be great, and it would also be nice for the last game of the season to mean something. If Montreal still has a chance, that game will have playoff-like atmosphere and intensity.

On the other hand, I just don't want the Habs to have a shot at the playoffs.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 05, 2019, 01:58:46 PM
Hard to say. Do you want Columbus delivering that dagger, or the Leafs tomorrow night?

Yeah. I kinda want it to come down to Saturday - especially if the Ottawa-Columbus games stays close/tied for most of the night. Eliminating the Habs in Montreal would be great, and it would also be nice for the last game of the season to mean something. If Montreal still has a chance, that game will have playoff-like atmosphere and intensity.

On the other hand, I just don't want the Habs to have a shot at the playoffs.

See that would be fun and all, but it's literally meaningless to the Leafs, sure they might want to knock them out but they won't go out of their way to try and win.  I don't want the Habs to have any life at all, I want them all down in the dumps because they were eliminated the night before and the crowd has nothing to cheer for.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 05, 2019, 05:58:06 PM
Some playoff format changes coming in near future?...

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 05, 2019, 08:32:19 PM
Some playoff format changes coming in near future?...



Heard a lot of guys on the radio predicting it'll be back to 1 vs 8 when Seattle is in the league so this news makes sense.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on April 05, 2019, 09:56:27 PM
Hard to say. Do you want Columbus delivering that dagger, or the Leafs tomorrow night?

Yeah. I kinda want it to come down to Saturday - especially if the Ottawa-Columbus games stays close/tied for most of the night. Eliminating the Habs in Montreal would be great, and it would also be nice for the last game of the season to mean something. If Montreal still has a chance, that game will have playoff-like atmosphere and intensity.

On the other hand, I just don't want the Habs to have a shot at the playoffs.

See that would be fun and all, but it's literally meaningless to the Leafs, sure they might want to knock them out but they won't go out of their way to try and win.  I don't want the Habs to have any life at all, I want them all down in the dumps because they were eliminated the night before and the crowd has nothing to cheer for.
Habs are out with  Columbus win tonight.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 05, 2019, 10:13:10 PM
Hard to say. Do you want Columbus delivering that dagger, or the Leafs tomorrow night?

Yeah. I kinda want it to come down to Saturday - especially if the Ottawa-Columbus games stays close/tied for most of the night. Eliminating the Habs in Montreal would be great, and it would also be nice for the last game of the season to mean something. If Montreal still has a chance, that game will have playoff-like atmosphere and intensity.

On the other hand, I just don't want the Habs to have a shot at the playoffs.

See that would be fun and all, but it's literally meaningless to the Leafs, sure they might want to knock them out but they won't go out of their way to try and win.  I don't want the Habs to have any life at all, I want them all down in the dumps because they were eliminated the night before and the crowd has nothing to cheer for.
Habs are out with  Columbus win tonight.


That's a shame

༼ つ ͡ ͜ʖ ͡ ༽つ
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 05, 2019, 10:36:33 PM
Hard to say. Do you want Columbus delivering that dagger, or the Leafs tomorrow night?

Yeah. I kinda want it to come down to Saturday - especially if the Ottawa-Columbus games stays close/tied for most of the night. Eliminating the Habs in Montreal would be great, and it would also be nice for the last game of the season to mean something. If Montreal still has a chance, that game will have playoff-like atmosphere and intensity.

On the other hand, I just don't want the Habs to have a shot at the playoffs.

See that would be fun and all, but it's literally meaningless to the Leafs, sure they might want to knock them out but they won't go out of their way to try and win.  I don't want the Habs to have any life at all, I want them all down in the dumps because they were eliminated the night before and the crowd has nothing to cheer for.
Habs are out with  Columbus win tonight.


That's a shame

༼ つ ͡ ͜ʖ ͡ ༽つ

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Andy on April 06, 2019, 08:27:14 AM
I'm ok with this. I didn't want to see them clinch a spot and beat us at the same time, regardless of how little it really affects us. Surprised they made it that close; I was thinking bottom 5 team this year for sure.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 06, 2019, 04:25:29 PM
I'm ok with this. I didn't want to see them clinch a spot and beat us at the same time, regardless of how little it really affects us. Surprised they made it that close; I was thinking bottom 5 team this year for sure.
That'll be next year lol. Be surprised if they have as good a year.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 07, 2019, 08:09:04 AM
McDavid went down with a leg injury in their final game of the season, clocked going about 42.8 km/h into the post.


X-rays were negative.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 07, 2019, 10:15:53 AM
I watched about 1/2 the Cgy/Edm game. My take-away: McDavid is a pretty darn good hockey player.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on April 07, 2019, 10:16:00 AM
Gosh, I hope he doesn't miss the World Championships.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 07, 2019, 01:08:29 PM
Florida fires Boughner, Buffalo fires Housley.

Sounds like the Panthers are close on Quenneville, but I wonder if Buffalo made their move to try and sweep in there too.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 07, 2019, 02:23:55 PM
Florida fires Boughner, Buffalo fires Housley.

Sounds like the Panthers are close on Quenneville, but I wonder if Buffalo made their move to try and sweep in there too.
I think Quenneville waits until all the shoes have dropped and that probably won't happen until the 1st round is over, unless they offer him huge money and term ala Babs.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 07, 2019, 02:36:00 PM
DJ Smith is super available guys pls get him a head coaching job
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 07, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
DJ Smith is super available guys pls get him a head coaching job
Hahaha
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zee on April 07, 2019, 04:59:42 PM
McDavid went down with a leg injury in their final game of the season, clocked going about 42.8 km/h into the post.


X-rays were negative.


Good news for his golf season.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 07, 2019, 06:33:11 PM
Quenneville to Florida sounds like a done deal on the rumour mill. If they also get Bread and Bob, that will be pretty fun.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Arn on April 08, 2019, 07:30:52 AM
Gosh, I hope he doesn't miss the World Championships.

Everyone on Team GB is hoping he, and pretty much everyone else Canadian, does  ;D
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 08, 2019, 07:01:16 PM

Paging Dubas and co.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 08, 2019, 09:57:53 PM

Paging Dubas and co.
Well they did make that bad Niederreiter for Aho trade.

Then again Donato looks alright.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 09, 2019, 02:57:51 AM
The Islanders:  the team that wasnt supposed to but did...definitely werent expected to achieve the (103) points totals, etc.

https://eyesonisles.com/2019/04/08/new-york-islanders-best-sports-story-of-2018-19-season/ (https://eyesonisles.com/2019/04/08/new-york-islanders-best-sports-story-of-2018-19-season/)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2019, 08:31:30 AM
Well they did make that bad Niederreiter for Aho trade.

A lot of people like to automatically assume the analytics guy was always the one saying the right thing in regards to a trade after the fact... but I can pretty much guarantee you Minny's was probably begging their GM to not make that trade. Shades of the Montreal analytics guy during the Weber/Subban trade probably.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 09, 2019, 09:10:11 AM
It has reached the point where I can safely say: Andrew Thomas is from Toronto, so it'd be a plum gig for the WAR-On-Ice.com founder to get to come home and work with ExtraSkater.com's Darryl Metcalf (and co)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 09, 2019, 03:03:35 PM
Does anyone else think Shooting Percentage should be calculated against Shot Attempts (individual Corsi For) instead of Shots on net? i.e. G / iCF instead of G / SF?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on April 09, 2019, 04:01:26 PM
Voynov suspended for 2019-20 NHL season, Stanley Cup Playoffs (https://www.nhl.com/news/slava-voynov-suspended-for-2019-20-nhl-season-and-2020-playoffs/c-306607694)

He'll be reinstated as of July 1 2020.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 09, 2019, 08:48:03 PM

New Jersey wins the draft lottery. Colorado (via Ottawa) falls to 4. Chicago gets lucky (as they so often do) going from 12 to 3.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 09, 2019, 09:26:50 PM

Evergreen
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on April 09, 2019, 10:23:49 PM
So who else had no idea the draft lottery was tonight?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 10, 2019, 08:34:38 AM
Avs fans are absolutely convinced the lottery was rigged against them/toward big market teams and I'm loving every second of it. 4th place was literally their most likely probability.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 10, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
Which team will pony up for Taylor Hall at the next deadline to ensure a lottery victory?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: princedpw on April 10, 2019, 09:17:53 AM
Which team will pony up for Taylor Hall at the next deadline to ensure a lottery victory?

I'm wondering what we should offer up for him.  He's possibly the most valuable single asset in the league.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: cabber24 on April 10, 2019, 09:27:14 AM

Evergreen
Love this.

Although I would have liked to see the top pick go to an original six.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 12, 2019, 11:46:57 PM
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Elite brand management
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on April 28, 2019, 10:25:27 PM
https://www.tsn.ca/pettersson-binnington-dahlin-up-for-calder-1.1297415
https://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-kucherov-crosby-up-for-hart-1.1297852
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 28, 2019, 11:24:02 PM
https://www.tsn.ca/pettersson-binnington-dahlin-up-for-calder-1.1297415
https://www.tsn.ca/mcdavid-kucherov-crosby-up-for-hart-1.1297852

I know the writers vote on who gets in but I don't think Biddington should be there,  he only played 32 games, not even half a year. Also surprised Kane got snubbed for the MVP nomination. McDavid should win it tho. Responsible for over 50% of Oiler goals, unreal.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 29, 2019, 07:58:46 AM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: AvroArrow on April 29, 2019, 08:04:06 AM
I know the writers vote on who gets in but I don't think Biddington should be there,  he only played 32 games, not even half a year.

Well, it's over half a season for a goalie.  The top 5 goalies in terms of games played are between 62 and 67.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 29, 2019, 09:17:59 AM
I know the writers vote on who gets in but I don't think Biddington should be there,  he only played 32 games, not even half a year.

Well, it's over half a season for a goalie.  The top 5 goalies in terms of games played are between 62 and 67.

So it's half. Either way I think the vote still stands, I think St. Louis stuck behind a terrible Jake Allen for way too long and brought it someone decent. I think a league average goalie would've done well as well. I think St. Louis was a good team stuck behind awful goaltending. Good on Binnington but he's coming back down to Earth. Pettersson should get it, without question.

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 29, 2019, 09:31:37 AM
I know the writers vote on who gets in but I don't think Biddington should be there,  he only played 32 games, not even half a year.

Well, it's over half a season for a goalie.  The top 5 goalies in terms of games played are between 62 and 67.

Yeah, and I think if he only played 32 games spread over the course of the entire season I might be less inclined to offer him a nomination, but he was their unquestionable starter for the entire second half of St. Louis' season. And if there were Hart/Vezina awards for just the 2nd half he'd be getting attention for both, so I think he definitely earned the Calder nom.

Pettersson is of course 100% going to end up as the winner though.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 29, 2019, 09:36:50 AM
Well, it's over half a season for a goalie.  The top 5 goalies in terms of games played are between 62 and 67.

Especially for a rookie goalie. The impact Binnington had was more than enough for him to garner serious consideration for the Calder.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 29, 2019, 10:34:00 AM
I don't doubt Pettersson will win it, but that's a heck of a rookie season for Dahlin as well.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on April 29, 2019, 09:26:25 PM
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This is a tweet about the NBA but it's really just as relevant about the NHL. The more and more that there's parity and a certain uniformity in tactics, the more and more important that a variable like refereeing becomes. I think this tremendously informs how much complaining we see about refereeing because an ill-timed penalty here or there can have a major impact in a game between two evenly matched teams.

I've made the point a lot about playoff hockey but the whole notion that playoff hockey is a "different game" than the regular season is less about grit and fortitude and more about how refereeing starts rewarding different elements of play.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 30, 2019, 02:23:15 PM
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Bender on April 30, 2019, 04:22:00 PM

I would've made that trade.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 30, 2019, 04:43:56 PM
I would've made that trade.

Even if there was say only a 50/50 chance (and that might be optimistic) that he'd sign with us?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on April 30, 2019, 04:45:14 PM
I would've made that trade.

He only wanted New York, and everybody knew it, so I'm surprised they bothered to spend some of their 30 picks (in the next 3 drafts). I guess they wanted to make sure, and not waste the waiting year, because they can now ELC him earlier. Assuming he fast tracked his schooling, he can skip senior year and start playing NHL hockey this fall.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on May 23, 2019, 02:57:13 PM
The Kessel Sweepstakes is back on!

Once upon a time, I proposed a trade

Kessel + Polak <--> Zucker, Niederreiter, Vanek, 1st

and this is basically almost that
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on May 25, 2019, 02:38:08 PM

Lol
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 27, 2019, 03:57:28 PM

Lol

They must have got Vancouver's assistant GM.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 27, 2019, 06:28:08 PM

But... why?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 27, 2019, 09:40:04 PM
Bettman needs to retire.

I hope Boston gets burned on an iffy offside overturn and it costs them the championship.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 28, 2019, 04:37:31 AM
Kuznetsov controversery:

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/washington-capitals-evgeny-kuznetsov-white-powder-1.5152126 (https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/washington-capitals-evgeny-kuznetsov-white-powder-1.5152126)

Heres the vid showing much ado about...

Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 31, 2019, 11:12:28 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html)
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 01, 2019, 05:57:00 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html)


A moving, touching letter from his mother. 

Boogaards story is typical of a league that essentially pays lip service to the problem of brain concussions (CTE).
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Guilt Trip on June 01, 2019, 01:04:25 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html)


A moving, touching letter from his mother. 

Boogaards story is typical of a league that essentially pays lip service to the problem of brain concussions (CTE).
You expect anything different for any league? No one is going to admit fault or being negligent.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 01, 2019, 06:06:03 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/31/sports/nhl-concussions-hockey-boogaard.html)


A moving, touching letter from his mother. 

Boogaards story is typical of a league that essentially pays lip service to the problem of brain concussions (CTE).
You expect anything different for any league? No one is going to admit fault or being negligent.


True.  Which also applies to all leagues.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on June 08, 2019, 08:51:02 PM
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I need this right now
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on June 18, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
Tampa resigns Coburn 34 y/o to a two year $1.7 million p/a contract.

I know they are likely to lose Stralman and are trying to move on from a few problem forward contracts, but with the contracts they need to sign still, I though Coburn would have been replaced by a guy making minimum or ELC.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Peter D. on June 18, 2019, 01:45:57 PM
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I need this right now

I imagine with the $30 million in cap space they have, this is simply done to gain another asset or two back to help along with their rebuild.  Pretty good strategy if they get a worthwhile kicker.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: Deebo on June 18, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
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I imagine with the $30 million in cap space they have, this is simply done to gain another asset or two back to help along with their rebuild.  Pretty good strategy if they get a worthwhile kicker.

I think it would be ill-advised to take on a commitment of that many years just to get a draft pick or 2.

You never know when you'll need the cap space.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 19, 2019, 11:19:16 PM
NHL Awards Nominees & Winners:

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2019-nhl-awards-full-list-finalists/ (https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/2019-nhl-awards-full-list-finalists/)

Check this out:
https://www.tmlfans.ca/community/index.php?topic=5341.msg366377;topicseen#msg366377
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on June 20, 2019, 09:58:47 AM

Todd knows how this Coach of the Year award works.
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2019, 10:09:27 AM

Cool gesture. Which one of them is Hiller replacing?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 20, 2019, 10:18:03 AM

Mitch Marner only plays 1 position and he wants $3mil more than this guy?
Title: Re: 2018-2019 NHL Thread
Post by: herman on June 20, 2019, 06:50:29 PM
Oh no. Ryan Callahan has David Clarksons Syndrome.