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Title: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Darryl on April 25, 2017, 09:11:14 PM
Onto round 2.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on April 27, 2017, 01:32:57 PM
www.twitter.com/NHLonNBCSports/status/857610550276116480

Here we go!
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 29, 2017, 11:29:57 PM
Looks like Pittsburgh still has the Caps' number.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on April 30, 2017, 07:40:40 AM
www.twitter.com/penguins/status/858504603666722816

Phil scored (twice). I like to think he was doing it for us and the kids at Sick Kids.

www.twitter.com/NHLpittPENS/status/858504504135868417
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on April 30, 2017, 07:59:14 AM
Maybe OV will ask for a trade to a Cup contender. :)
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 30, 2017, 10:31:20 AM
Seems like when the Capitals play Pittsburgh in these playoffs, they forget all semblance of sanity.  Can't believe Washington is so bad all of a sudden.  It's the playoffs, for heaven's sake, elevate your game!

On the other end, glad to see #87 & #81 do the on ice equivalent of dancing 'round the bend.  The Penguins play with fluidity and cleverness.
The Capitals play with zombie-like consistency.  Ouch!
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on May 01, 2017, 08:50:10 PM
https://streamable.com/5h57m

Niskanen got 5+game misconduct for this, but I think the culprit is largely Ovechkin for slashing Crosby twice (once in the helmet), and taking his left skate out from under him from behind. Nisaknen's follow through looks more unfortunately incidental.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: cabber24 on May 01, 2017, 08:52:55 PM
Ovechkin slashes Crosby in the head and as he goes down he gets cross checked in the head by someone else and then he hits his head on the ice. This cannot be tolerated, I hope large suspension(s) are handed out. Their is no accoutability. No super star can survive is this environment. Gary needs to take back control.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 01, 2017, 09:02:48 PM
https://streamable.com/5h57m

Niskanen got 5+game misconduct for this, but I think the culprit is largely Ovechkin for slashing Crosby twice (once in the helmet), and taking his left skate out from under him from behind. Nisaknen's follow through looks more unfortunately incidental.

We'll have to wait to hear what Crosby's actual injury is. If it's a knee/leg injury then sure, Ovi's slash played a pretty large role in that. But a cross-check to the head is still unacceptable in any event. And if they announce Crosby has a concussion Niskanen is going to see a lengthy suspension I think. He could have definitely avoided that.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 01, 2017, 10:08:14 PM
https://streamable.com/5h57m

Niskanen got 5+game misconduct for this, but I think the culprit is largely Ovechkin for slashing Crosby twice (once in the helmet), and taking his left skate out from under him from behind. Nisaknen's follow through looks more unfortunately incidental.

Ovechkin taking out Crosby's skate out from under him is definitely the main culprit here. Without that, Niskanen's crosscheck is into the chest/arm - and probably doesn't even earn a call (playoff rules, of course). Same with Ovechkin's slashes - the first gets let go all the time, and the second looks like it's basically his stick/arms snapping back into place after bouncing off Crosby from the initial slash.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 01, 2017, 10:25:28 PM
Crazy finish to the 3rd period here. Washington dominating the period but Pittsburgh scores 2 goals late with the net empty to tie it up and send things to OT.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: cabber24 on May 02, 2017, 09:19:42 AM
https://streamable.com/5h57m

Niskanen got 5+game misconduct for this, but I think the culprit is largely Ovechkin for slashing Crosby twice (once in the helmet), and taking his left skate out from under him from behind. Nisaknen's follow through looks more unfortunately incidental.

Ovechkin taking out Crosby's skate out from under him is definitely the main culprit here. Without that, Niskanen's crosscheck is into the chest/arm - and probably doesn't even earn a call (playoff rules, of course). Same with Ovechkin's slashes - the first gets let go all the time, and the second looks like it's basically his stick/arms snapping back into place after bouncing off Crosby from the initial slash.
I don't see it that way, I see Crosby buckel because Oveckin slashes him over the head.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 02, 2017, 09:28:31 AM
I don't see it that way, I see Crosby buckel because Oveckin slashes him over the head.

If Crosby buckles from that tap on the helmet, he's more fragile than we've been led to believe. There's no force behind the stick hitting Crosby in the head. However, his left skate gets turned around when Ovechkin's right foot takes it out, causing his knee to bend sideways, which takes his head on a collision course with Niskanen's stick.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: cabber24 on May 02, 2017, 10:32:41 AM
I don't see it that way, I see Crosby buckel because Oveckin slashes him over the head.

If Crosby buckles from that tap on the helmet, he's more fragile than we've been led to believe. There's no force behind the stick hitting Crosby in the head. However, his left skate gets turned around when Ovechkin's right foot takes it out, causing his knee to bend sideways, which takes his head on a collision course with Niskanen's stick.
BS, I don't want to watch a league where it's okay to hit people over the head with their sticks, especially the best player in the league. Why are we trying to justify it? I don't really want to get in to the details but I would not consider that a "tap" put a helmet on and have someone "tap" you over the head like that. The league needs to protect their largest assets and currently they do not.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 02, 2017, 11:04:14 AM
BS, I don't want to watch a league where it's okay to hit people over the head with their sticks, especially the best player in the league. Why are we trying to justify it? I don't really want to get in to the details but I would not consider that a "tap" put a helmet on and have someone "tap" you over the head like that. The league needs to protect their largest assets and currently they do not.

If the stick to the head was intentional, I'd be with you, but, from watching the replay, I really don't see it that way. The second slash was very much the result of Ovechkin's arms/wrists realigning after the recoil from the initial slash. There's no malicious intent there. There's no wind up or follow through. There's barely any force behind the contact. It's entirely incidental and, really, insignificant. If his skate isn't taken out, he doesn't go face first into Niskanen, he doesn't injured, and we're not talking about this incident at all.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on May 02, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
I known Niskanen knows where his stick and the best player on the ice are pretty much at all times, but I still wouldn't say he cross-checked Crosby with malicious intent. Looked more like a protective block/catch to prevent his own organs from being caved in. I'm okay with no further supplemental discipline.

Even Ovechkin's slew foot is more incidental than malicious.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 02, 2017, 12:42:56 PM
I known Niskanen knows where his stick and the best player on the ice are pretty much at all times, but I still wouldn't say he cross-checked Crosby with malicious intent. Looked more like a protective block/catch to prevent his own organs from being caved in. I'm okay with no further supplemental discipline.

Even Ovechkin's slew foot is more incidental than malicious.

Yeah. The whole thing is basically a sequence of unfortunate events that compounded on each other. Really, the only intentional act was Ovechkin's initial slash. Everything else was either circumstantial or reactionary.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 02, 2017, 01:38:45 PM

Crosby officially has a concussion.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Peter D. on May 02, 2017, 02:02:51 PM

Crosby officially has a concussion.

God I hope this doesn't mean a shortened career for him.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: cabber24 on May 02, 2017, 02:23:35 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591)
http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html (http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html)

Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 02, 2017, 02:34:15 PM
I known Niskanen knows where his stick and the best player on the ice are pretty much at all times, but I still wouldn't say he cross-checked Crosby with malicious intent. Looked more like a protective block/catch to prevent his own organs from being caved in. I'm okay with no further supplemental discipline.

Even Ovechkin's slew foot is more incidental than malicious.

Yeah. The whole thing is basically a sequence of unfortunate events that compounded on each other. Really, the only intentional act was Ovechkin's initial slash. Everything else was either circumstantial or reactionary.


Ovechkin's slash which led to the whole series of consequences that ensued.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on May 02, 2017, 02:46:23 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591)
http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html (http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html)

Funny, I don't remember this vitriol when Crosby speared a guy in the junk and blew another players finger up.

I'm all for discipline, and for making sure that players are safe, but Crosby's no angel who has gotten away with a couple of egregious acts himself.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 02, 2017, 02:56:44 PM
Apparently, someone has taken note of Ovie's slash.  The incident certainly wawn't lost on former Edmonton Oilers great Paul Coffey who had this to say about it:

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"The thing everbody's overlooking -- and we'll never know because Sid got hit twice -- is the two-hander he took to the head and the neck from Ovechkin", Coffey told The Starting Line on Sportsnet 590 The FAN Tuesday.

"When Crosby was falling down, that could have been the initial blow that hurt him.  Nobody knows and nobody's talking about that. That was a brutal two-hander by Ovechkin to Crosby when he was going to the net."


http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sidney-crosby-matt-niskanen-alex-ovechkin-paul-coffey-hit-cross-check-penguins-capitals/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sidney-crosby-matt-niskanen-alex-ovechkin-paul-coffey-hit-cross-check-penguins-capitals/)
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on May 02, 2017, 03:20:51 PM

Crosby officially has a concussion.

This sucks.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 02, 2017, 03:38:02 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591)
http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html (http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html)

Funny, I don't remember this vitriol when Crosby speared a guy in the junk and blew another players finger up.

I'm all for discipline, and for making sure that players are safe, but Crosby's no angel who has gotten away with a couple of egregious acts himself.

There was plenty.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 02, 2017, 03:43:23 PM
I don't buy that Niskanen hit him that way unintentionally.  Crosby was already falling down and Niskanen could have fended him off lower down or by grabbing him rather than put his stick up at jaw level.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 02, 2017, 03:55:29 PM
I don't buy that Niskanen hit him that way unintentionally.  Crosby was already falling down and Niskanen could have fended him off lower down or by grabbing him rather than put his stick up at jaw level.

I don't buy it either. Even if that is his defence what happened to being in control of your stick at all times? It was a long time ago, but Wade Belak got suspended 8 games once for falling. I honestly can't believe Niskanen doesn't get any supplemental discipline for causing a concussion by cross-checking a player in the head. Whether it was on purpose or not, that's what he did.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 02, 2017, 03:56:06 PM
I don't buy that Niskanen hit him that way unintentionally.  Crosby was already falling down and Niskanen could have fended him off lower down or by grabbing him rather than put his stick up at jaw level.

When I watch it in real time, it really looks reactionary. He puts his hands up to protect himself more than anything else. They just end up at head level for Crosby, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on May 02, 2017, 06:49:42 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591)
http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html (http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html)

Funny, I don't remember this vitriol when Crosby speared a guy in the junk and blew another players finger up.

I'm all for discipline, and for making sure that players are safe, but Crosby's no angel who has gotten away with a couple of egregious acts himself.

There was plenty.

Not from Rob Rossi.   The problem I have is that these champions for justice only show up when it happens to their player.  At some point a step back needs to be taken.  If it happens to your team and you don't like it, then it isn't good if it happens to the other team either.  As fans we can't have it both ways.  If what happened last night is a suspendable offense, then so were the acts that Crosby committed in the last couple of weeks of the season.
Title: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 02, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591)
http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html (http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html)

Funny, I don't remember this vitriol when Crosby speared a guy in the junk and blew another players finger up.

I'm all for discipline, and for making sure that players are safe, but Crosby's no angel who has gotten away with a couple of egregious acts himself.

There was plenty.

Not from Rob Rossi.   The problem I have is that these champions for justice only show up when it happens to their player.  At some point a step back needs to be taken.  If it happens to your team and you don't like it, then it isn't good if it happens to the other team either.  As fans we can't have it both ways.  If what happened last night is a suspendable offense, then so were the acts that Crosby committed in the last couple of weeks of the season.

Oh I agree. I'm no big fan of Sid nor of double standards where Sid is concerned.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 02, 2017, 10:40:15 PM
Not from Rob Rossi.   The problem I have is that these champions for justice only show up when it happens to their player.  At some point a step back needs to be taken.  If it happens to your team and you don't like it, then it isn't good if it happens to the other team either.  As fans we can't have it both ways.  If what happened last night is a suspendable offense, then so were the acts that Crosby committed in the last couple of weeks of the season.

That seems like a pretty strange and false equivalency. Crosby hitting Methot in the hand was gory but it was the result of the sort of stick work that virtually every player in the league does that just happened to go wrong. The issue with the hit on Crosby was whether or not you think they deliberately targeted his head. I don't think for the sake of consistency we have to think that the alleged acts are the same thing even if we don't think Niskanen was particularly guilty.

If you wanted to suspend Crosby for the shot between the legs I think that would have been fair but even then I don't think ideological consistency demands we regard headshots and shots to the old John Thomas as being the same thing.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: cabber24 on May 03, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591 (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/rossi-ovechkin-should-be-suspended-for-slash-on-crosby~1113591)
http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html (http://www.upgruv.com/ovechkin-niskanen-crosby-injury-nhl-2388421629.html)

Funny, I don't remember this vitriol when Crosby speared a guy in the junk and blew another players finger up.

I'm all for discipline, and for making sure that players are safe, but Crosby's no angel who has gotten away with a couple of egregious acts himself.

There was plenty.

Not from Rob Rossi.   The problem I have is that these champions for justice only show up when it happens to their player.  At some point a step back needs to be taken.  If it happens to your team and you don't like it, then it isn't good if it happens to the other team either.  As fans we can't have it both ways.  If what happened last night is a suspendable offense, then so were the acts that Crosby committed in the last couple of weeks of the season.

Oh I agree. I'm no big fan of Sid nor of double standards where Sid is concerned.

Sid came in to the league bitching and screaming... and he was called a whiner by many but at the end of the day he was right. If the league protected him by better controlling the environment on the ice maybe Sid doesn't get 4 concussions. I think the league should have double standards when it comes to their most prized assets, it's a good business for everyone involved in the league. McDavid already missed half a season, Matthews next?
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on May 04, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
Not from Rob Rossi.   The problem I have is that these champions for justice only show up when it happens to their player.  At some point a step back needs to be taken.  If it happens to your team and you don't like it, then it isn't good if it happens to the other team either.  As fans we can't have it both ways.  If what happened last night is a suspendable offense, then so were the acts that Crosby committed in the last couple of weeks of the season.

That seems like a pretty strange and false equivalency. Crosby hitting Methot in the hand was gory but it was the result of the sort of stick work that virtually every player in the league does that just happened to go wrong. The issue with the hit on Crosby was whether or not you think they deliberately targeted his head. I don't think for the sake of consistency we have to think that the alleged acts are the same thing even if we don't think Niskanen was particularly guilty.

If you wanted to suspend Crosby for the shot between the legs I think that would have been fair but even then I don't think ideological consistency demands we regard headshots and shots to the old John Thomas as being the same thing.

Sure, they may not be equivalent as far as the severity of what they did.  The Rossi article has a tone though that what happened to Crosby was deliberate and predatory, and that's why it should be suspendable.  If predatory behavior is suspendable, then deliberately skating over to a guy and spearing him the cockles and muscles is also one of those offences.  I have also seen articles that say that you can't defend what happened to Crosby.  This is all true.   

I may not be making my point very well here, but my feeling is that you can't get on your soap box, and talk about how dirty the Capitals are, and how they planned to take Crosby out of the game, and how this is the sort of predatory behavior that needs to be removed, when we have incidents where Crosby has exhibited that same behavior and the soap box stayed in the closet.

For the most part I wonder why the DOPS gets these cases wrong on such a consistent basis.  Is it because the league is paralyzed by perception?  Is it the pending legal problems with concussions?  Is it the potential fan outrage?  None of these are valid reasons to justify putting a players safety in jeopardy.  Perhaps if fans and media were more consistent in their views on player safety, the NHL would get better at it.

Ultimately, as a fan, I want Crosby in as many games as possible.  If the league, for consistencies sake, has to suspend him for a game, but that suspension is going to help protect him from getting a concussion later, then I say the league does it.  The NHL has in the past managed to get rid of dangerous aspects of the game such as bench clearing brawls, and frequent knee on knee hits.  I know that knee on knee hits still happen, but not with the frequency that they did in the past.  I think we still see in todays game a lot of elbows to the head, and a lot of stick slashes on the wrists.  Stiffer penalties may help remove them.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on May 04, 2017, 12:18:38 PM
www.twitter.com/MarcPDumont/status/859921845826531328
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 04, 2017, 12:39:40 PM
Sure, they may not be equivalent as far as the severity of what they did.  The Rossi article has a tone though that what happened to Crosby was deliberate and predatory, and that's why it should be suspendable.  If predatory behavior is suspendable, then deliberately skating over to a guy and spearing him the cockles and muscles is also one of those offences.  I have also seen articles that say that you can't defend what happened to Crosby.  This is all true.   

I may not be making my point very well here, but my feeling is that you can't get on your soap box, and talk about how dirty the Capitals are, and how they planned to take Crosby out of the game, and how this is the sort of predatory behavior that needs to be removed, when we have incidents where Crosby has exhibited that same behavior and the soap box stayed in the closet.

I can't speak to the column you're referencing but again I don't agree. I think whether we like it or not there is a difference if the guy getting hit is Crosby and there is a difference between the idea of a predatory hit and one that's simply illegal. If two guys get mad at each other and they engage in stickwork or one hits another I think that's bad but that's the sort of thing that happens in hockey all the time.

If the case is being made that Crosby was headhunted I do think that's a separate category of thing for us to think about that because a league not stamping out its best players being deliberately injured is one that's not only bad to watch but is practically inviting retaliation in kind.

Truth is that if Crosby spears or commits a major foul on just about anyone he's putting his team at a competitive disadvantage by taking himself off the ice or out of the lineup. It has built in deterrent. Someone deliberately trying to injure Crosby is the opposite of that(especially considering what he'd done in the series to date). The League can and should look at it in a different light.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: L K on May 05, 2017, 07:46:48 AM
www.twitter.com/MarcPDumont/status/859921845826531328

It's funny...and then you look at the right hand column and see Matt Cooke.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 06, 2017, 08:48:04 PM
I tell you, unless Ovechkin hitches up his pants and gets something done here, he should self-deport to the KHL.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 06, 2017, 09:27:37 PM
I tell you, unless Ovechkin hitches up his pants and gets something done here, he should self-deport to the KHL.

That'll do for the moment.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 08, 2017, 10:53:04 PM
Caps win 5-2.  Series is now even with Game 7 going Wednesday in Washington.  Pretty scary moment there when Crosby jumped headlong into the boards.  Gosh, can't he just avoid his head?  Capitals bumped him pretty good,  playing quite a physical game tonight overall.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: princedpw on May 09, 2017, 06:29:55 AM
First game of the series I have seen.  Caps dominated the Pens territorially  to a much greater extent than they dominated the leafs in any game IMHO.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 09, 2017, 08:08:37 AM
(http://www.imgur.com/7Vj8Uf1.jpg)
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 09, 2017, 09:48:08 AM
How much did that set you back?
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2017, 11:08:18 AM
So last night Crosby was knocked pretty hard into the boards (he didn't jump) and went into them head first:


www.twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/861739677388349440

A lot of people on social media were wondering why the heck the concussion spotters didn't take him off the ice after that, especially considering that he JUST returned from a concussion. Thankfully, Bill Daly provided a completely rational explanation for that today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2017/05/09/concussion-spotters-couldnt-pull-sidney-crosby/101460354/):

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Depending on the mechanism of injury, slow to get up does not trigger mandatory removal, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told USA TODAY Sports. The protocol has to be interpreted literally to mandate a removal. Ice as compared to boards is in there for a reason. Its the result of a study on our actual experiences over a number of years. Ice has been found to be a predictor of concussions -- boards has not been.

That's Bill Daly, deputy NHL commissioner, telling the world that crashing headfirst into the boards is not a "mechanism of injury" as far as concussions are concerned. Based on their "studies".
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2017, 11:16:07 AM
That's Bill Daly, deputy NHL commissioner, telling the world that crashing headfirst into the boards is not a "mechanism of injury" as far as concussions are concerned. Based on their "studies".

Oh, that NHL . . .

I mean, the first part of the statement - being slow to get up does not necessarily mean concussion - I accept. Guys can be slow to get up for a number of reason. But, the rest? Garbage. Absolute garbage.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 09, 2017, 11:24:14 AM
I mean, the first part of the statement - being slow to get up does not necessarily mean concussion - I accept. Guys can be slow to get up for a number of reason. But, the rest? Garbage. Absolute garbage.

Based on their guidelines, if a player is "slow to get up" after a blow to the head via another players shoulder, contact with the ice, or an ungloved fist then the concussion spotter is supposed to pull him off. So basically any head shot except for crashing into the boards. Because the boards are softer than that stuff I guess.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on May 09, 2017, 11:48:43 AM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9dF1b-E2Tw[/youtube]

The only possible thing I can think of as to why they'd exempt boards from the concussion protocol, is that the boards are designed to have give and flex to soak off some of the momentum. However, the amount of give is inversely proportional to the distance from the bottom, and Crosby struck pretty close to the bottom (i.e. where there is no give).
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 09, 2017, 12:46:16 PM
Based on their guidelines, if a player is "slow to get up" after a blow to the head via another players shoulder, contact with the ice, or an ungloved fist then the concussion spotter is supposed to pull him off. So basically any head shot except for crashing into the boards. Because the boards are softer than that stuff I guess.

Yeah. That's all kinds of dumb. I mean, head hitting the glass? Maybe, I can understand that. There's a lot of movement in the glass, and generally, a player's head going into the glass isn't going in with much force. The boards? They have some give, but not as much. There's also some pretty solid pieces there in order to give it structural integrity - and, as herman points out, there's a lot less give at the bottom than the top.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Peter D. on May 09, 2017, 03:02:11 PM
I couldn't help but think last night...was that the game that made things click for the Caps and will propel them to win the Cup?
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: L K on May 09, 2017, 03:46:28 PM
So last night Crosby was knocked pretty hard into the boards (he didn't jump) and went into them head first:


www.twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/861739677388349440

A lot of people on social media were wondering why the heck the concussion spotters didn't take him off the ice after that, especially considering that he JUST returned from a concussion. Thankfully, Bill Daly provided a completely rational explanation for that today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2017/05/09/concussion-spotters-couldnt-pull-sidney-crosby/101460354/):

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Depending on the mechanism of injury, slow to get up does not trigger mandatory removal, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told USA TODAY Sports. The protocol has to be interpreted literally to mandate a removal. Ice as compared to boards is in there for a reason. Its the result of a study on our actual experiences over a number of years. Ice has been found to be a predictor of concussions -- boards has not been.

That's Bill Daly, deputy NHL commissioner, telling the world that crashing headfirst into the boards is not a "mechanism of injury" as far as concussions are concerned. Based on their "studies".

It's a proven fact though.  The concussion bone is immune to fibreglass/plexiglass but is very sensitive to ice.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 10, 2017, 10:48:10 AM
So last night Crosby was knocked pretty hard into the boards (he didn't jump) and went into them head first:


www.twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/861739677388349440

Bill Daly provided a completely rational explanation for that today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2017/05/09/concussion-spotters-couldnt-pull-sidney-crosby/101460354/):

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Depending on the mechanism of injury, slow to get up does not trigger mandatory removal, NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly told USA TODAY Sports. The protocol has to be interpreted literally to mandate a removal. Ice as compared to boards is in there for a reason. Its the result of a study on our actual experiences over a number of years. Ice has been found to be a predictor of concussions -- boards has not been.


The factual understatement of the year.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: AvroArrow on May 10, 2017, 09:41:21 PM
Caps in trouble... Pens up 2-0 with 15 minute to go in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: AvroArrow on May 10, 2017, 10:06:58 PM
Caps are done... Gotta think there'll be some roster shakeups...
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 10, 2017, 10:10:20 PM

I was low-key pulling for Washington here. Say what you want to about them, they had real problems with two pretty shaky defenses between the Leafs and Pittsburgh.

Leaving aside the damage the cap is going to do to them, I really wonder how you could bring back the same group and expect more at this point.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 10, 2017, 10:11:32 PM
DC comes up small yet again.  I'm sure glad I'm not a Caps fan right now.  At least our future has some real promise.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 10, 2017, 10:12:52 PM

I was low-key pulling for Washington here. Say what you want to about them, they had real problems with two pretty shaky defenses between the Leafs and Pittsburgh.

Leaving aside the damage the cap is going to do to them, I really wonder how you could bring back the same group and expect more at this point.

If I were Leonsis I'd seriously think about ripping this thing up.  Time to part ways with Ovechkin.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Nik the Trik on May 10, 2017, 10:19:30 PM
If I were Leonsis I'd seriously think about ripping this thing up.  Time to part ways with Ovechkin.

On the one hand, it seems like a stretch that anyone would give you full value for him right now at 4 years left at 9.5 per.

On the other hand, hell of a way for Vegas to make a splash.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 10, 2017, 10:33:34 PM
If I were Leonsis I'd seriously think about ripping this thing up.  Time to part ways with Ovechkin.

On the one hand, it seems like a stretch that anyone would give you full value for him right now at 4 years left at 9.5 per.

On the other hand, hell of a way for Vegas to make a splash.

There you go.  He'll fit in with the other Russians on their top line.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: bustaheims on May 10, 2017, 10:34:49 PM
If I were Leonsis I'd seriously think about ripping this thing up.  Time to part ways with Ovechkin.

A number of key pieces are UFAs, so, they're likely going to see a pretty significant makeover even without trading their centrepiece.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: herman on May 11, 2017, 10:18:51 AM
There's a good deal to be learned from how the Pens handled their decimated defense corps(e) and pushed to victory. It's more than just Crosby (semi-concussed) and a resurgent Malkin.

I forget which podcast I was listening to, but I think it was Matt Cane on LeafsGeeksPodcast April 21, that mentioned how the Penguins weak defense was structurally hyper aggressive at the blueline on any turnover situation for the sole purpose of slowing down the breakout to give their much speedier forwards time to clog and retrieve the puck. The Capitals had no real answer for it because their game relied on setting up in the OZ on the cycle.

Edit: Jeff Marek pointed this out on MvsW as well in their post-series podcast
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: cabber24 on May 11, 2017, 12:15:34 PM
I am glad the Capitals lost solely because of the Crosby hit. They deserve to loose after taking a cheap shot at Pittsburg's best player. I am still disappointed the NHL did nothing about it, shocked actually.

WAS feels a lot like SJS, to good to blowup but never getting over that hump. I expect more of the same in the future from WAS and don't expect a massive shake up.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Bender on May 11, 2017, 12:43:22 PM
Really? I expect a huge shake up.  They're labelled now and they never won't be with an aging team that can never make it passed round 2.

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Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 11, 2017, 02:41:01 PM
Failure seems to be the Capitals middle name.  It's amazing that when it counted the most (Game 7), Washington couldn't figure out a way to counter Pittsburgh's game plan.  Ovechkin, where were you?

Don't think there are too many excuses this team can give for bowing out.
A huge letdown (and that's stating it mildly) in Capital land.  Expectations were high.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 13, 2017, 09:27:28 AM
Ugly leg bruise.  Posted on Instagram by Alex Ovechkin's wife Nastya Ovechkina:

(http://i939.photobucket.com/albums/ad239/fotogalri/ovechkin-injury_zpsph3y6yuf.jpeg)

"That's hockey (for you)."


https://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2017/05/12/nastya-ovechkina-shares-grotesque-photo-of-a-bruise-on-alex-ovechkins-leg/
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: jdh1 on May 13, 2017, 08:23:43 PM
Don Cherry says that Ovechkin is a horse  must play him more.   Ron Maclean says that Barry Trotts.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 13, 2017, 10:23:34 PM
Nice game there Pittsburgh you useless bums.
Title: Re: Series thread: Pittsburgh vs Washington
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 13, 2017, 11:31:31 PM
Nice game there Pittsburgh you useless bums.

(Pssst, wrong series.)