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Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on October 17, 2011, 11:04:15 PM
Mods, I couldn't find any similar threads, so merge if necessary - Reviving the thread from the old site.

I mentioned on the old site that I spent this year getting in shape, and that I was shooting to run in the 5K part of the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon.

Well, things weren't going according to the plan. Back in mid-August in the midst of a training run, I came across two women (a mother and daughter) who had their car blocked by a tree that had fallen across the road. I helped push the tree out of the way, got them on their way again, and went back to my run. Unfortunately, just after starting again I had to stop due to a tremendous pain in my right ankle. From experience, I knew what it was - a slightly herniated disc in my back pressing on the sciatic nerve.

I kept trying for the next couple of weeks, but the pains kept coming - it alternated from my left knee to my right ankle, or sometimes both at once. I finally had to give up running completely at the end of August. I tried short runs every week or so in September and early October, but every time the pains came back almost immediately after I started to run.

On the Monday before the race, I thought - Okay, one more try before I pack it in. I managed to go 3 km at decent pace and had no pain, but I shut it down, worrying I would hurt myself again. I ventured another short 1.5 km run last Saturday, but I didn't feel very strong at all.

I seriously was considering not racing - I didn't want to make a fool of myself, or hurt myself. But finally I decided that this was my goal; this is what I got myself in shape for; that I lost 50 lbs for; that had me up at 6 am almost every day, in all kinds of weather, for the last 9 months for. So, I decided to wing it - the race was back on.

Race day (Sunday) - it was a cool morning, but I hardly noticed it, leading up to the noon start time. I had a good start position, near the front, but with so many runners entered, I still had to pick my way through a lot of bodies. Regardless, I got off to a great start and was feeling good through the first half of the race. Around the 3 km mark I started to feel a little fatigued, but pushed on. Then I saw the turn at Bay Street and I knew I had less than a km to go. It was a tad uphill, but I picked up the pace. There was a pretty good crowd too, but I hardly noticed them as I concentrated on my running.

Nearing the finish, I saw the big clock saying I was past 24 minutes, approaching 25, so I put the hammer down (I wanted that sub-25 time) and I crossed just under. I was exhausted, but happy - and the best part? I was pain free for the whole run.

I ended up with an official time of 24:55, and a chip time of 24:44. Good enough for 298th out of a field of 5,036 and 22nd out of 171 in my age group. Not bad, all things considered.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Erndog on October 18, 2011, 09:13:51 AM
Awesome!  That is excellent.   

Those 9 months really paid off!  A year ago you probably never would have dreamed where you'd be today but you ran your race, lost 50 lbs and probably feel the best you've felt in a long time.  Congrats, that is some feat you've accomplished there!

Now the hard part is not falling back.  After what I've read from you, you seem really motivated so I'm sure it will be a piece of cake for ya! (not literally! ;))
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2011, 09:46:34 AM
Way to go, 4th Liner!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on October 18, 2011, 10:03:21 AM
That's great 4th Liner!  Awesome job.

Hubby and I started about 3 weeks ago trying to eat better and more exercising.  He's lost 20lbs already and is running more and skipping, which he hasn't been able to do in a long time.  I've lost 8 lbs so far and that's on top of the 10 that I lost from January to May.  I am almost back to my pre-pregnancy size (3 more lbs to go) of when I had my now 3 yr old and it feels awesome!

I did try the treadmill Thanksgiving weekend but probably overdid it and my plantar facitis was soooooo bad for a few days.  I almost couldn't walk for the pain but I have stayed using my bike in the meantime.  Will try the treadmill again but going to have to take it easy and lay off the running, just walking.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 18, 2011, 10:39:14 AM
I'm down about 5 pounds, but I just can't stop eating junk. I don't have much, but I can't resist a small bowl of ice cream here, a chocolate bar there...

They're just so damn tasty!

My wife's selling these heath shakes (Body by Vi) so I'm trying those everyday and it seems to help keep me full between meals.

Why does chocolate have to taste so good?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Try having your food vices early on in the day.... Nothing wrong with a shake at 11 am. That way you have all day to burn it off.
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on October 18, 2011, 06:38:54 PM
Thanks folks, the support I've had on here definitely has helped me stay on track.

The one lingering regret is that my injury stopped my training - I was at a 22:30 time when it happened, and was hoping to get better. I figured a top 100 finish overall, and top 5 in my age was possible - oh well.

Next year I move up to the next age group - I'm kicking their butts!!

On high calorie snacks, doing without them is tough. The key, if you want to continue to indulge, is to do them in small amounts - like a small bowl of ice-cream and not half the carton! Moderation is good.

And to make sure it doesn't cause a weight gain, regular exercise a few times a week will help burn off any extra calories taken in. Just a one hour walk 3 times a week can make a world of difference.

Of course, more rigorous workouts could be better, but it goes to show you that there really is no excuse. If you can walk, you can be active and lose weight. It just takes the will to get started and keep at it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 18, 2011, 09:17:04 PM
Good work 4th liner.

Don't worry about injury set backs, even professional athletes have to deal with them. Listen to your body and don't push too hard to soon. Plenty of time in your life to build smartly to whatever goal you wish to pursue. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on October 18, 2011, 09:19:29 PM
Great job 4th, awesome work on the 50, as well as the run.

Thanks for bringing back the thread, too.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on October 19, 2011, 12:16:37 AM
So my girlfriend's uncle is Everton McEwan. The guy has trained Sean Sherk (UFC Lightweight Champion), Fitz Vanderpool (WBF Superwelterweight champion), Carlos Newton (UFC Welterweight Champion), Steve Molitor (2 time IBF Junior Featherweight Champion), he's been sparring partners with Lennox Lewis <---like THE Lennox Lewis, Aaron Pryor, Donald Curry, and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad.

And starting next week he's going to be my personal fitness trainer.

I'm gonna be puking my guts out after a couple sessions with this guy...

Also, Money Mayweather might be going to his gym for his next fight...not sure if that's true, but that's what his facebook page says. I'm not gonna ask him to clarify that for me though.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: BMan on October 19, 2011, 08:02:09 AM
Awesome!

The hardest part for me is finding a website or book on what would be a typical day in the life on losing the weight through good nutrition, with the idea of running maybe thrice a week..

I tried that last year and I didn't lose much after 6 months of running thrice a week. I figure it has to be the foods I am eating.   :o
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 19, 2011, 08:06:25 AM
So last week was my birthday... Which also marked two years since my last cigarette (after ~19 years of smoking.) It's crazy, I could sooooo go for one right now... I don't think I'll ever fully recover from that addiction. :(
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Mordac on October 19, 2011, 02:06:24 PM
So last week was my birthday... Which also marked two years since my last cigarette (after ~19 years of smoking.) It's crazy, I could sooooo go for one right now... I don't think I'll ever fully recover from that addiction. :(

You won't. It's been 10 years for me this Dec., and I occasionally get the craving. It becomes almost second nature to immediately dismiss it though...after a while it's like craving something from your childhood that no longer exists...you subconsciously acknowledge that, and the craving slips away.

Congrats on your  2 years!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 19, 2011, 02:11:40 PM
after a while it's like craving something from your childhood that no longer exists...you subconsciously acknowledge that, and the craving slips away.


... like the Leafs being good?   :o Anyway, thanks.... I've come to far. For a long time now I've been able to go out with the boys (many who smoke) and never give smoking a second's thought... But then again, there is that odd time like this morning when I think "DAMN!... Would a smoke be nice right now."
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 19, 2011, 08:36:34 PM
So. level 2 of Jillian Michael's 30 day shred is apparently harder than level 1. Much harder.

The amount of sweat coming off of me right now is disgusting.

Sorry for sharing.  :P
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on October 20, 2011, 11:34:28 AM
So last week was my birthday... Which also marked two years since my last cigarette (after ~19 years of smoking.) It's crazy, I could sooooo go for one right now... I don't think I'll ever fully recover from that addiction. :(

Congrats on the 2 yrs of no-smoking and happy belated birthday!  I agree with Mordac, it never really goes away.  I've been smoke-free for almost 6 years (this Christmas) and I still have those twinges but it's easier to forget about it now.  However, when I smell smoke outside of a store or something, it totally gags me out!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on October 20, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
I want to get into better shape, I'm not in a bad shape, I just want to get more muscles etc, but im to friggin tired, I have no energy at all. It's not a problem physically. And whenever I start I hear this voice in my head, it's constantly saying "boring, boring, boring", and then I tell it to expand and it says "waste of time, waste of time, waste of time". Hmmm.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 20, 2011, 11:57:57 AM
Thanks AG... Stebro, try just a couple long, brisk walks a week to start. Fire up your favourite tunes on you iPod or MP3 or whatever and enjoy your surroundings. The more you do that, the more you'll want to do... trust me, I've been there.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 20, 2011, 02:37:47 PM
More exercise actually leads to more energy.  So if you are tired then you obviously can't handle your daily life workload with ease and should increase your strength and stamina.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 28, 2011, 12:07:54 PM
Interesting article on Marlie Mike Zigomanis and his vegan diet lifestyle.  Thought it would warrant a mention in this thread....

http://www.thestar.com/living/article/1080043--high-performance-herbivore-?bn=1
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on December 11, 2011, 02:41:39 PM
Simply put, I have a new F/T job. It's one I'm taking very, very seriously.  I have hired MYSELF to lose 150 lbs through a weight loss and fitness journey.  Due to my ongoing depression and anxiety, the doctors won't let me work.  So I'm spending alot of time doing nothing.  Well not anymore

I need to control diabetes, thyroidism, blood pressure, sleep apnea, mood...  Losing weight and finding fitness will help beat almost all of those things.  They're all obesity related to a large part.

So over the next 18 mths to 2 years, I WILL lose 150 lbs through lean, clean eating and daily fitness.  Cardio is the main start and I'l add weight training in a month or so.

This 350 lb fatass will complete this journey.  If I don't my doctor has hinted that my time is running out.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: moon111 on December 11, 2011, 03:59:50 PM
My mom was over-weight.  She became diabetic.  Then her blood pressure spiked so high it damaged her kidneys and eyes.  She finally tried to do something about it, spend every second day on a dialysis-machine, started exercising and it gave her a few years.  But in the end, the damage was done.  She passed away as her kidneys failed completely.  She missed getting to know any of her four grandkids.  However, in that time she tried to get healthy and look after herself, she lived more, was less depressed, and happier then she ever was.  I don't like remembering her before she got sick.
Rick, I really hope you can find that flicker of spirit like my mom did.  Only find it before something seriously happens.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Trolloc on December 11, 2011, 04:32:33 PM
Simply put, I have a new F/T job. It's one I'm taking very, very seriously.  I have hired MYSELF to lose 150 lbs through a weight loss and fitness journey.  Due to my ongoing depression and anxiety, the doctors won't let me work.  So I'm spending alot of time doing nothing.  Well not anymore

I need to control diabetes, thyroidism, blood pressure, sleep apnea, mood...  Losing weight and finding fitness will help beat almost all of those things.  They're all obesity related to a large part.

So over the next 18 mths to 2 years, I WILL lose 150 lbs through lean, clean eating and daily fitness.  Cardio is the main start and I'l add weight training in a month or so.

This 350 lb fatass will complete this journey.  If I don't my doctor has hinted that my time is running out.

I dropped from 230 to around 170.  Since then I have been fluctuating from 160-180.

My best advice the following:

1) Take Small Steps - Your going to want to see weight disappear quick. I am guessing you will see it disappear quick. You will clean up your diet and in the first weeks lose 10 + pounds. After that initial slide, you will be brought back to the reality of losing 1 to 2 pounds a week. This is where I've failed many times, giving up on my diet. The reality is if you're losing 1 to 2 pounds a week....that is normal. You can't let small gains discourage you.

If you can average 7 pounds a month, you can lose 72 pounds in a year. I recommend each week you live your life a bit healthier. You won't be able to jog tomorrow or not eat junk from the get go. Get your diet better slowly. If you eat two bags of chips a week and drink 10 cokes, cut down to one bag and  8 cokes one week, half a bag and 4 cokes the next. Just each week make small improvements.

2) Write down and record everything - Take a photo today of your body and put it on your fridge. Write down every meal. This helps you make your life style a habit and properly measure your improvements. Same goes for exercises.

3) Dedicate 3 Days to Fitness - You may increase it when you're in better shape. But your body needs to rest. If you become too tired from working out too much, you're more likely to fail on your goal. Again, start small and build up what you do slowly. Take four days a week to rest your body.

4) Your Going to Fail - It is going to happen. You're going to have days you regress by eating that big mac combo. Failure is not the end of your diet...it is just a speed bump. If you fail, just get back to where you  were . So many times I ended my diets when I failed. A perfect game is great... but so is a complete game. You don't need a perfect game, there will be mistakes...the key is to keep your composure and get back into the game.

Best of luck, feel free to contact me if you need someone to chat too.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on December 11, 2011, 10:38:11 PM

I dropped from 230 to around 170.  Since then I have been fluctuating from 160-180.

My best advice the following:

1) Take Small Steps - Your going to want to see weight disappear quick. I am guessing you will see it disappear quick. You will clean up your diet and in the first weeks lose 10 + pounds. After that initial slide, you will be brought back to the reality of losing 1 to 2 pounds a week. This is where I've failed many times, giving up on my diet. The reality is if you're losing 1 to 2 pounds a week....that is normal. You can't let small gains discourage you.

If you can average 7 pounds a month, you can lose 72 pounds in a year. I recommend each week you live your life a bit healthier. You won't be able to jog tomorrow or not eat junk from the get go. Get your diet better slowly. If you eat two bags of chips a week and drink 10 cokes, cut down to one bag and  8 cokes one week, half a bag and 4 cokes the next. Just each week make small improvements.

2) Write down and record everything - Take a photo today of your body and put it on your fridge. Write down every meal. This helps you make your life style a habit and properly measure your improvements. Same goes for exercises.

3) Dedicate 3 Days to Fitness - You may increase it when you're in better shape. But your body needs to rest. If you become too tired from working out too much, you're more likely to fail on your goal. Again, start small and build up what you do slowly. Take four days a week to rest your body.

4) Your Going to Fail - It is going to happen. You're going to have days you regress by eating that big mac combo. Failure is not the end of your diet...it is just a speed bump. If you fail, just get back to where you  were . So many times I ended my diets when I failed. A perfect game is great... but so is a complete game. You don't need a perfect game, there will be mistakes...the key is to keep your composure and get back into the game.

Best of luck, feel free to contact me if you need someone to chat too.

Great suggestions - and congrats on the loss!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on December 12, 2011, 08:03:35 AM
Good for you, Rick!  The body/mind is one complete system. You can't expect to be completely healthy in one and not the other. So i'm glad you're starting this journey.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 12, 2011, 08:15:56 AM
Please keep us posted, Rick... Best of luck... Put all than junk food $ away... You're gonna need that for new clothes!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on December 12, 2011, 12:00:59 PM
Sending many supportive hugs to you Rick!

Trolloc's suggestions are awesome.

I started last January and by May had lost 12 lbs.  Throughout the summer, I didn't really try, kinda ate what I wanted with some exercise here and there.  I didn't gain anything but I didn't lose anything either. 

Oct. 1st hubby and I decided to get eating better again and he had hit the 280lb mark.  He's 6'1" but it was catching up to him and he freaked.  We pretty much cut out carbs for one thing.  If we have any, it's very very small portions.  We eat chicken and fish alot and more lean meats.  I bought the George Foreman grill and I love that thing.  Lots of salads, veggies and fruit.  Pop is a treat and lots of water.  I drink about 4 bottles a day and hubby does 6 or more.  Hubby runs, I can't run (planter facitis) but I do an exercise cardio video or ride my bike (at least 30 mins a day - 5 to 6 days a week).

Anyhow, hubby is down 42lbs total and I'm down another 13 lbs for a total of 25 lbs for me.  I'm finally able to get into most of my clothes before I got pregnant with #3.  I do find that men lose alot faster but hubby has also had those weeks where it fell off fast and then a few weeks where it slowed down but we've just kept pushing. 

I know for me, I feel much better, not bloated as much and more energy.  I want to lose at least another 20lbs and hubby another 30lbs.  Will it take longer than I'd like, maybe so but I'm doing it at my pace.  I'm nowhere near starving myself and if I feel like a treat once a week, then I do that for myself.

Were here for you Rick!  No matter what!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 12, 2011, 12:18:41 PM
I've lost about 60lbs since getting married about 15 months ago and I still have a long way to go.  Sometimes I'll fall down, but always getting back up is the key.  I like what Trolloc said about not having to have a perfect game, just a complete one.

What has helped me a lot is having one cheat day a week, it's a day where you can basically indulge, eat what you want and as much as you want.

It helps psychologically knowing that you can skip that burger and have it on your cheat day.  It also supposedly helps your body burn fat.  I also found when I eat helps, not having a large meal after 3/4 pm if I can avoid it and doing something in the evening after that meal, even if it's just for a walk with the dog.

For me it's been a slow and steady process that I could speed up with a greater commitment to exercise, but I'll work it out eventually.

Best of luck to you Rick and to anyone else fighting the good fight, you have another supporter in me.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Peter D. on December 12, 2011, 12:20:20 PM
In the last 8 months or so, I've lost about 15 pounds.  I was just over 200 at the time and have now dipped just below 190.  When I stepped on the scale I was concerned that something may be wrong because I didn't plan on losing weight, let alone a drop like that.  However, looking back, I do attribute a portion of it to the stress I have documented before on this site.  Having a kid certainly plays a role, as I sometimes skip meals running around after her.  Beyond that though, I play ball hockey once or twice a week; don't go out as much thus meaning less alcohol/beer; cut out my daily bagel/tea biscuit/muffin here at work and instead bring my own yogurt and granola parfait; and I rarely eat out.

Good luck Rick!  Keep us updated on your progress.  I have a buddy I play hockey with who went from about your size to around 200 lbs. over the same time frame you project.  I didn't know him when he was bigger, and when I saw a picture I was shocked.  He keeps that picture with him in his car as a reminder to never allow himself to get back to that phase in his life -- similar to what Trolloc suggested.

Advice from him to other "bigger" guys on our team was that you don't necessarily have to cut out everything; it's all portion control.  Don't disallow cravings.  But it's small stuff that adds up.  If you go to a restaurant, instead of having three pieces of bread, have one.  If you take two sugars with your coffee/tea, cut it down to one.  He suggested that if you look at it on an annualized basis, it means, for instance, you'd be consuming 365 less packs of sugar. 

There will be bumps, but it certainly can be done.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 12, 2011, 12:52:34 PM
I've realized Rick that everything works as long as you keep doing it. One fitness program maybe more intense and give you faster results then another but your journey is a marathon not a race.

Even if you only lost 1-2 pounds per week they will add up. It just takes commitment and consistency.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on December 23, 2011, 07:17:25 PM
Keep fighting the good fight Rick. And there is some great advice there from Trolloc.

Similar to him, I started this January at 216 lbs and unhappy, I dropped 51 pounds and was at 165 by the end of May and have been on maintenance since then. I put on a few pounds over the last 7 months, but I'm still well within my target range at 168 as of today - and I still weigh myself (and track it) every day. I find it keeps me focused.

You can do it - you just need to keep at it and don't get too discouraged by random weight gains. I've had weeks where I've worked my butt off and counted calories and somehow still gained. Those were the days when I felt like giving up, "Why am I killing myself?", I would think - but that's where you gotta hang tough and know that the weight loss WILL come - you just have to keep to your schedule.

For me now, it's all about keeping the "new" me. That is kind of daunting as well - I certainly hope I can. I've got a beauty "before and after" picture I'm keeping for motivation in case I start to fall off the wagon!

Good luck to all on here that are working away at getting healthy!  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on December 23, 2011, 08:06:37 PM
Just watched Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.

Watch this movie. Please.  If you can't find a copy, PM me.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 24, 2011, 03:15:50 AM
My uncle finally, finally, finally lost weight, 40 lbs., to be exact. After nearly a decade of being overweight, most recently obese (275 lbs., & counting), and, after much pleading from his family and a stern warning from his family physician of potential adult on-set diabetes, he decided to follow a specialized diet set forth by a dietician, portioning every dish of food.

The doctor (and dietician) took him off sugar, carbohydrates per se, heavy animal fats, no fried foods nor processed foods, and told him to substitute brown rice instead of the traditional white pasta, leafy green vegetables (all green vegetables), no beets or corn or any other vegetables containing their own natural sugars, lean animal proteins at every meal, no fruit or juice except water, etc.

Exercising on the treadmill for a full half-hour every day, climbing up and down the stairs of his home slowly, (since he suffers from neuropathic foot pain due to the chemo he had received a year prior, on account of having had tumours in his lungs and shoulder (lymph nodes).  The price he paid with this chemo treatment has been terrible.  At least he survived everything.

To make a long story extremely short, in one month of having followed the proper diet and exercises in moderation, he has shed 40 lbs., down to a more modest weight of 235 lbs.  Still a ways to go, but if he keeps on following the required regimen, more pounds will continue to be shed.

This scenario which I've described about my uncle proves that you can and will lose the weight if you just place yourself in the right frame of mind and plow through with a goal at hand.  Some scary health news can also motivate a person to not want to get any worse than the way they already are.

Rick, you can do it.  Remember the old adage, "have willpower, will do".  Or, rather, "where there's a will, there will always be a way".

Good luck to you, Rick.  Never lose hope.   :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on January 02, 2012, 12:40:35 AM
It's that time of year friends - anyone else climbing on the bandwagon as a resolution?

2011 was a pretty good year for me - here's how I started (Yes, I kept a copy of my original post from the old site):

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"Re: The official Health & Fitness thread
« Reply #327 on: January 11, 2011, 09:41:41 PM »

I've had fits and starts for the last couple of years - my New Year's resolution this year was to finally just do it! (Lose some weight). First week is done and I lost 5 pounds - my goal is to lose 40 pounds. As for how long to do it? - I first thought 2 lbs a week was reasonable, but I'm leaning towards 3 lbs a week now. I'm mixing fast walks (6km in an hour each day) for cardio (I have back issues which prevent me from running) and extra aerobics with a bit of weight work for strength.

About 5 or 6 years ago I lost almost 50 lbs by crash dieting and walking long distances, but I think I ended up doing more harm than good and then ended up putting all the weight back on. This time I'm on a much less restricted diet and added the strength training to make sure I don't lose muscle mass. I think I have a much better chance of success this time to take it off and keep it off. We shall see.....maybe if I make myself post updates here I can stay motivated.

Anybody else working on a resolution in here?"

So you can see my original goal was to lose 40 pounds. Here was my list of milestones for 2011:

Jan 3rd: The start of the "new" me - Weight 216 lbs
Feb 3rd: One month in - 12 lbs lost
Mar 3rd: Two months in - 24 lbs lost (12 for the month)
Apr 3rd: Three months in - 36 lbs lost (12 for the month)
Apr 6th: I ran my first full 5 km (Time: About 30 mins)
Apr 14th: 40 lb target met (I set a new target weight of 170 lbs - 46 lbs lost)
Apr 28th: 46 lb target met (I set a new final target weight of 165 lbs - 51 lbs lost)
May 3rd: Four months in 48 lbs lost (12 lbs for the month)
May 30th: 51 lb target met (165 lbs) - I start Maintenance mode on weight. The dieting is over! (Looking for a new goal - I set running a 5 km race in the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon in October as the target)
Jun 3rd: Five months - Weight 167 lbs
Jul 3rd: Six months - Weight 165 lbs
Jul 9th: I ran my first official 5K race - Free to Run Toronto (Time: 26:21)
Aug 3rd: Seven months - Weight 165 lbs
Sep 3rd: Eight months - Weight 168 lbs (I had an injury and couldn't run)
Oct 3rd: Nine months - Weight 171 lbs (Still hurt)
Oct 16th: My target race - Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon 5K (Despite being injured and unable to train - I run a respectable 24:55. Good enough for 299th out of 5,037 runners)
Nov 3rd: Ten months - Weight 168 lbs
Dec 3rd: Eleven months - Weight 170 lbs
Dec 31st: End of the year - Weight 171 lbs (45 lbs less than I started the year at)

My official mileage for the year (walking/running) - 1,880 kms. That's an average of over 5 km a day - something I would have never imagined myself capable of when I started.

For 2012 I want keep myself in the 170 range for my weight. I also am going to run in at least 2 5K races this year: The GoodLife Toronto Marathon and the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon one again.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 02, 2012, 01:12:23 AM
Good for you, that's not easy to do.

My birthday was yesterday, every year I resolve to quit quitting but it's soooo hard.... ;)

I could use a fat shave and a health boost, turned 41 this year, time to start really thinking about it... oh ok, doing it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 02, 2012, 08:22:17 AM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Manson on January 02, 2012, 09:32:35 AM
It's that time of year friends - anyone else climbing on the bandwagon as a resolution?

2011 was a pretty good year for me - here's how I started (Yes, I kept a copy of my original post from the old site):

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« Reply #327 on: January 11, 2011, 09:41:41 PM »

I've had fits and starts for the last couple of years - my New Year's resolution this year was to finally just do it! (Lose some weight). First week is done and I lost 5 pounds - my goal is to lose 40 pounds. As for how long to do it? - I first thought 2 lbs a week was reasonable, but I'm leaning towards 3 lbs a week now. I'm mixing fast walks (6km in an hour each day) for cardio (I have back issues which prevent me from running) and extra aerobics with a bit of weight work for strength.

About 5 or 6 years ago I lost almost 50 lbs by crash dieting and walking long distances, but I think I ended up doing more harm than good and then ended up putting all the weight back on. This time I'm on a much less restricted diet and added the strength training to make sure I don't lose muscle mass. I think I have a much better chance of success this time to take it off and keep it off. We shall see.....maybe if I make myself post updates here I can stay motivated.

Anybody else working on a resolution in here?"

So you can see my original goal was to lose 40 pounds. Here was my list of milestones for 2011:

Jan 3rd: The start of the "new" me - Weight 216 lbs
Feb 3rd: One month in - 12 lbs lost
Mar 3rd: Two months in - 24 lbs lost (12 for the month)
Apr 3rd: Three months in - 36 lbs lost (12 for the month)
Apr 6th: I ran my first full 5 km (Time: About 30 mins)
Apr 14th: 40 lb target met (I set a new target weight of 170 lbs - 46 lbs lost)
Apr 28th: 46 lb target met (I set a new final target weight of 165 lbs - 51 lbs lost)
May 3rd: Four months in 48 lbs lost (12 lbs for the month)
May 30th: 51 lb target met (165 lbs) - I start Maintenance mode on weight. The dieting is over! (Looking for a new goal - I set running a 5 km race in the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon in October as the target)
Jun 3rd: Five months - Weight 167 lbs
Jul 3rd: Six months - Weight 165 lbs
Jul 9th: I ran my first official 5K race - Free to Run Toronto (Time: 26:21)
Aug 3rd: Seven months - Weight 165 lbs
Sep 3rd: Eight months - Weight 168 lbs (I had an injury and couldn't run)
Oct 3rd: Nine months - Weight 171 lbs (Still hurt)
Oct 16th: My target race - Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon 5K (Despite being injured and unable to train - I run a respectable 24:55. Good enough for 299th out of 5,037 runners)
Nov 3rd: Ten months - Weight 168 lbs
Dec 3rd: Eleven months - Weight 170 lbs
Dec 31st: End of the year - Weight 171 lbs (45 lbs less than I started the year at)

My official mileage for the year (walking/running) - 1,880 kms. That's an average of over 5 km a day - something I would have never imagined myself capable of when I started.

For 2012 I want keep myself in the 170 range for my weight. I also am going to run in at least 2 5K races this year: The GoodLife Toronto Marathon and the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon one again.

That is remarkable, congratulations.  Some serious dedication there, great job.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 02, 2012, 10:21:52 AM
Good for you 4th Liner... that's pretty much the same kind of commitment I made 2 years ago. I started at a lesser weight (~190 lbs) and have kept about 15/20 lbs off since and FWIW, your 5K time is better than my last 5K time just a couple of months ago so that's terrific. I did however, stop training seriously about a year ago and to be honest, haven't run at all since that last race. In fact, I haven't taken very good care of myself lately and I feel like crap for it... I have one more seasonal party to attend on the 7th and after that, it's diet time. Weather permitting, I'll take up the running again too. Anyway, you should be very proud... Do keep it up. Trust me, it's harder to get going again once you've stopped.   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 02, 2012, 02:29:11 PM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Big Daddy on January 02, 2012, 02:36:45 PM
Im in. I am embarrassed to list my height and weight but as I lose I may divulge the horrendous stats.  Went to gym today, first time, walked on treadmill for 35 min then biked for 15. Lifted some weights but was jumping around to much so hit the sauna.  This has to keep going. I am determined to change my life.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 03, 2012, 11:14:03 AM
I went from about 315 to 185 in 2007 and have kept it off. I made a complete 180 degree change in lifestyle.

Losing weight really isn't that hard if you are committed and go "all in"... Keeping it off is much tougher. When I was losing weight I had this motivation and encouragement from week to week as I watched the scale reward me for my hard work.


To anyone who has a significant amount of weight to lose:

I can't put into words what it feels like to transform yourself this way. It used to be hard for me to tie my own shoes, I had trouble just sitting up and getting out of bed, less than a minute into a walk and my lower back would start to hurt.

 Now I literally jump out of bed and race out the door so that I can get an hour of cardio done at the gym before I go to work... And I want to do it.... I get agitated if something/someone keeps me from my workout.

I've taken scheduled "rest" days from the gym and gotten on my bike for a leisurely afternoon bike ride only to have it turn into a super intense 50km adventure.

The 300 plus pound version of myself would never have believed it was possible to look and feel the way I do or that I was capable of doing the things that I am doing. But I am doing them...

What I'm trying to say is: You can change your life dramatically for the better. Believe it people!

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 03, 2012, 11:32:38 AM
@ TheMightyOdin

 :o Wow. That is incredible you lost that much weight and have kept it off.

Hope Rick reads your story ... .. that should be some some serious encouragement for him.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on January 03, 2012, 01:36:29 PM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.

One thing to be aware of for those with high cholesterol, is that diet and exercise are THE BEST ways to cut down on it.  Lots of leafy greens (high in iron and fibre), lower salt, less pure fat.  But there is a big bunch of genetics that goes into lipoproteins and triglycerides and sometimes, the only way to reduce them is with medication.  Diet/exercise is still the best though.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 03, 2012, 01:53:58 PM
Good to know LK. I wasn't sure how much exercise fits into it. I'm not very active at all, but have a pretty decent diet.

My doctor suggests a low glycemic diet and reducing animal fats. There's just so much a person needs to understand, it's overwhelming.

A couple of other things maybe you or someone else can comment on from my lab results that I haven't been able to find out answers on (list are only items where I was outside the recommended range or on the edge):

Creatinine: 62 umol/L (lab suggest range: 62-115)
Carbon Dioxide: 31 mmol/L (23-31)
Creatine Kinase: 23 U/L (40-280)
Albumin: 53 g/L (35-50)

And the cholesterol (mmol/L)
Total: 7.25
LDL: 5.02
HDL: 1.19
Cholesterol/HDL ratio: 6.1
Tryglycerides: 2.29
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 03, 2012, 02:09:12 PM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.

One thing to be aware of for those with high cholesterol, is that diet and exercise are THE BEST ways to cut down on it.  Lots of leafy greens (high in iron and fibre), lower salt, less pure fat.  But there is a big bunch of genetics that goes into lipoproteins and triglycerides and sometimes, the only way to reduce them is with medication.  Diet/exercise is still the best though.

I was on Tiazac for a while and it really helped but I'm off it now.

Diet and exercise seem to be keeping it at bay ( ie, it's not a chronic condition anymore ) but I could use more exercise as I've gained some weight ( pretty much quit smoking which also helped but as a result, and while I've really watched my salt intake, sugar and fat seems to get in me more than it should )
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 03, 2012, 03:01:40 PM
sugar

that's my problem. My meals are good, especially lunch and dinner, but I can't stop the snacking which usually includes something sugary. I also drink tonnes of fruit juice. While fructose is in the midrange of the glycemic scale, it's still sugar.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 03, 2012, 03:29:01 PM
sugar

that's my problem. My meals are good, especially lunch and dinner, but I can't stop the snacking which usually includes something sugary. I also drink tonnes of fruit juice. While fructose is in the midrange of the glycemic scale, it's still sugar.

Tigger is absolutely correct... Sugar is the absolute worst thing you can have when thing to lose weight. Fat does not produce fat... Sugar does. I cut pop completely out of my diet a couple years ago. Honestly, maybe had a couple dozen pops in the last two years maximum (as part of a mixed drink.) It really helps... I like my coffee double/double but I'm also trying to reduce that to just one sugar from now on. I'm not a big desert guy either so that helps but if one is, I'd recommend to making that a weekly treat.     
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 03, 2012, 03:42:11 PM
I had cut pop almost completely out of my diet but was really bad over the holidays having at least six over the last two weeks. Now I'm craving a pop so bad....
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 03, 2012, 03:47:22 PM
I had cut pop almost completely out of my diet but was really bad over the holidays having at least six over the last two weeks. Now I'm craving a pop so bad....

I'm good with coffee/tea, take it black no cream but yeah, I had a few pops over the holidaze as well and can feel it calling.  The little snacks through the day are killer for me too, like you say.

My lungs are happier so that's something.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: oldrugbyguy on January 03, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
Put on 20 pounds over holidays, back to 5k run each day and surprise surprise down 8 in first week. I only can drop by exercise as I do love my food and drink!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Zee on January 03, 2012, 04:03:53 PM
Put on 20 pounds over holidays, back to 5k run each day and surprise surprise down 8 in first week. I only can drop by exercise as I do love my food and drink!

You really did enjoy.  I only put on about 5lbs over the holidays, but I was consciously trying not to overdo it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 03, 2012, 07:28:19 PM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.

When you open a can of tuna open it so that the lid is not completely off. Drain it, peel the lid up, fill it with water, put the lid back down, drain it again.

If you do that 2 or 3 times its supposed to remove over 90% of the salt. Just use a fork to peel the lid up so you don't accidentally cut yourself.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 03, 2012, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: Tigger
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sugar


that's my problem. My meals are good, especially lunch
and dinner, but I can't stop the snacking which usually
includes something sugary. I also drink tonnes of fruit
juice. While fructose is in the midrange of the glycemic
 scale, it's still sugar.


Tigger is absolutely correct... Sugar is the absolute worst
thing you can have when thing to lose weight. Fat does
 not produce fat... Sugar does. I cut pop completely out
of my diet a couple years ago. Honestly, maybe had a
couple dozen pops in the last two years maximum (as
part of a mixed drink.) It really helps... I like my coffee
double/double but I'm also trying to reduce that to just
one sugar from now on. I'm not a big desert guy either
so that helps but if one is, I'd recommend to making
that a weekly treat.
     

For those of you who need to sweeten your coffee (or tea) without the usage of sugar, there are natural substitutes such as Stevia (pronounced "stay-via") and xlytol (a natural extract from the birch tree).

Stevia comes in many forms such as in powdered form or in liquid.  One can find it at the health food store.  There are two brands that I've tried so far, Pur-ly Natural and Healthy Bake Stevia (single packets also can be used for baking needs).  When using Stevia for baking, cakes and cookies do not brown. For baking you may want to try Xylitol instead.

Neither Stevia nor Xylitol raise blood sugars, according to certain researh data.

Of course, other sweeteners are recommended such as Agave Syrup and products containing evaporated cane juice (for people like me who wish to drink certain types is juices naturally-sweetened.  Evaporated cane juice is still better than sugar).

I haven't so much as touched a Coca Cola for ages.  No kidding.  I drink mostly plain natural spring water and/or filtered water, and have avoided pop drinks specifically for more than a decade.  The only time I came close to ingesting anything remotely resembling what I call "sugared water" was a month ago at a Costco store where I sipped Sprite.  Yech!!  U don't miss pop drinks for the world!

My glucose levels are normal, even though I have a tendency (a weakness) for chocolate.  Who doesn't?  I eat one bar a week and avoid most processed packaged (cookies).  I have very high inflammation which is why I need to avoid as much sugar as possible.  I tend to itch badly when I ingest too much of a sugary thing (such as ice cream which I live by in the summer months)!  In moderation, it's fine.

My cholesterol levels, both LDL and HDL are below normal.  The bad cholesterol levels need to be elevated a little bit, but not a the expense ofthe good cholesterol.  I tend to avoid heavy animal fats such as butter, beef, and only eat a hamburger with fries once in a blue moon.  If I ingest too much sodium, I can begin to feel it on my ankles.  Sea salt is a very good substitute in place if regular table salt.  Sea salt contains minerals but must not used in quantitative amounts  (because it is concentrated and one only needs to use a small amount to equal the equivalent of regular salt).

Essential fatty acids are very important for all if us.  Our bodies simply do not have the whole chain of gamma linoleic and linolenic acid.  Excellent sources are fatty fish, extra virgin olive oil, coconut oil, certain nuts, etc., but since many of us (I included) do not simply get enough from food, a good supplemention will often do.  Udo's Choice is one of the best brands of Omega 3-6-9, in either capsules or luquid form.  Fish oils are also good but beware the brand and the residue-extraction process -- not all brands are created equal.  Very few merit or meet the standards of quality and purity when it comes to fish oil because some do a poor job of extracting the resudues (pesticides, mercury, etc., found in the fish). 
Ask you local health food store which are the better brands and trustable in their manufacturing/extraction process.  Very important!

 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 03, 2012, 07:59:14 PM
Cheers for that.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 03, 2012, 11:48:48 PM
Xylitol

From my time in a chem lab, just as an FYI, Xylitol (along with other sugar alcohols, especially sorbitol) can act as a laxative if overconsumed.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 04, 2012, 03:49:58 AM
Xylitol

From my time in a chem lab, just as an FYI, Xylitol (along with other sugar alcohols, especially sorbitol) can act as a laxative if overconsumed.


Same, by the way, with Maltitol.  I remember having eaten an entire chocolate bar containing only Maltitol as sweetener.  It definitely had a laxative effect soon after.  I was curious about this, but your confirmation concerning Xylitol and other alcohol sugars proves this to be true.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Trolloc on January 04, 2012, 07:39:04 AM
I put on 10 pounds during my vacation and other during the holidays.

I started hitting the treadmill every other day again and started dieting.

I think once I cut the weight I gained, I am going to get into BJJ. In the summers I always sit around 160-165 and gain 15-20 every winter do inactivity. In the summer I cycle so that keeps me balanced.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on January 04, 2012, 11:48:24 AM
I indulged a bit over the holidays, still worked out and managed to not gain anything!  I'm ecstatic about that.  Now to get back to business and lose another 20lbs by summer.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on January 04, 2012, 04:44:58 PM
I've just cut all pop out - I'm just drinking water...  A lot of water.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on January 04, 2012, 11:18:03 PM
Put on 20 pounds over holidays, back to 5k run each day and surprise surprise down 8 in first week. I only can drop by exercise as I do love my food and drink!

Woah, now that is indulging! I knew I was going to indulge this year, after a long time dieting and exercising. To prepare I lost 5 pounds prior to the holidays and then proceeded to put it all back on. Now working it back off again - but I really enjoyed the desserts and a wee bit of alcohol. :)

Speaking of drinks, I never was much of a pop drinker, so giving it up was easy. Milk was my hardest thing to lose. I was huge milk drinker, several glasses at every meal. When I decided to lose weight I found out how many calories milk has and realized it had to go. I now drink water pretty much non-stop. It's the only way to go.

The other big thing to give up was bread & butter, oh how I love(d) my bread & butter....oooh and with milk too! I still indulge at times, but nothing like I used to do.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Trolloc on January 05, 2012, 06:05:28 AM
I've just cut all pop out - I'm just drinking water...  A lot of water.

Pop is one of my weaknesses...but it is horrible for you. One can of pop contains more sugar than your body can handle...also I found drinking pop made my cardio disappear quicker.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 05, 2012, 10:26:20 AM
I had trouble with the pops too. I was at the point where I didn't even think they tasted good but I was craving them. They were definitely having a measurable chemical reaction on my mind and body. If I remember right it took me about 3 weeks of no pop at all before I started feeling like I didn't need one.

The hardest thing for me to cut out or cut back on is cheese. You can put it on and in just about everything. I've found a few pretty good light cheese alternatives but they really don't compare to the real stuff.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on January 05, 2012, 10:40:36 PM
I lost 5lbs over the Christmas/New Years timeframe.  I'm very happy with that!
www.150Reasons.com (http://www.150Reasons.com)
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on January 05, 2012, 11:13:27 PM
I lost 5lbs over the Christmas/New Years timeframe.  I'm very happy with that!
www.150Reasons.com (http://www.150Reasons.com)

Now that is impressive - good job, Rick! A great start to the year.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 06, 2012, 12:59:16 AM
I've decided to finally swallow the pill and sign up for a gym. I wasn't exercising at all at home even though I have a few free weights to keep me going. I'm the type of person that needs to be in a designated place to do anything. In university I could only study at the library for example, I'd goof off at home.

I'm not really sure how much I gained over the holidays but I can tell my pants are a bit tighter and that set off a warning shot. I'm going to be easing myself into the gym, but I definitely want to start trimming fat and building muscle. My body is pretty balanced in weight distribution but I've got scrawny arms which annoys me and that's probably the only thing I'm afraid of - that I won't be able to get my arms to fill out like the rest of my body.

I guess I'll just got hard on curls? Anyone have any tips?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 06, 2012, 03:24:25 AM
I've got lots of tips, tricks and schemes bender.

For me personally I don't work out my arms very much.  They are big enough and get worked out with the pushing and pulling of chest and back exercises. Guns are nice but you can really change your body working your legs, chest and back, they are the biggest muscles in your body.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 06, 2012, 08:57:48 AM
Bender, I can probably lend some tips as well. I spent the last 13 months working with a personal trainer, trying to go from relatively scronny (excluding the "softness" I had built up over the years) to something less than scronny and its worked pretty well so far. 

Like Odin says, you work the arms a lot doing chest, shoulders and back workouts.  In the last year with this trainer we never focused directly on biceps.  And even while doing no direct work on biceps, I doubled the weight I could curl over that time. 

What I normally do now is at the end of a full chest or shoulder workout I do 3 sets of 10 focused on biceps.  Never do them first or you won't be able to do much else the rest of the workout. 

If you want some sample workouts, I could send you some stuff. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Jalili on January 06, 2012, 04:53:54 PM
I've decided to finally swallow the pill and sign up for a gym. I wasn't exercising at all at home even though I have a few free weights to keep me going. I'm the type of person that needs to be in a designated place to do anything. In university I could only study at the library for example, I'd goof off at home.

I'm not really sure how much I gained over the holidays but I can tell my pants are a bit tighter and that set off a warning shot. I'm going to be easing myself into the gym, but I definitely want to start trimming fat and building muscle. My body is pretty balanced in weight distribution but I've got scrawny arms which annoys me and that's probably the only thing I'm afraid of - that I won't be able to get my arms to fill out like the rest of my body.

I guess I'll just got hard on curls? Anyone have any tips?

Try the Farmer's walk. You will have shredded forearms and an iron grip after a few weeks. You'll also be hitting your shoulders, legs & back as well.

Don't spend too much time on the isolation exercises like curls.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 06, 2012, 06:13:37 PM
Bender, I can probably lend some tips as well. I spent the last 13 months working with a personal trainer, trying to go from relatively scronny (excluding the "softness" I had built up over the years) to something less than scronny and its worked pretty well so far. 

Like Odin says, you work the arms a lot doing chest, shoulders and back workouts.  In the last year with this trainer we never focused directly on biceps.  And even while doing no direct work on biceps, I doubled the weight I could curl over that time. 

What I normally do now is at the end of a full chest or shoulder workout I do 3 sets of 10 focused on biceps.  Never do them first or you won't be able to do much else the rest of the workout. 

If you want some sample workouts, I could send you some stuff.

Sure! Send away!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 06, 2012, 10:30:45 PM
I think I'm going to start a little bit slower for now. I know it's a lot better to do free weights as it works many, many more muscle groups, but I want to get a half decent base before I go on the weights. Right now I'm doing a half hour of stationary bike and half hour of targeted muscle group. Did quad lifts, leg curls and leg presses. Kinda sad that a half hour on the bike only produced 245 calories burned according to the machine, I don't want to become a gym rat in order to look half decent.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on January 06, 2012, 11:35:15 PM
I ate lean and clean today... And I got to the gym twice.  First in the afternoon I did fast walking on the treadmill for an hour. Then this evening I went back for another 30 mins.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on January 07, 2012, 12:12:24 AM
don't overwork it rick, the best way to do it too my knowledge is to rip the muscles and then wait a day for them to heal and strengthen
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 07, 2012, 07:20:52 AM
don't overwork it rick, the best way to do it too my knowledge is to rip the muscles and then wait a day for them to heal and strengthen

At the same time if you can handle the extra 30mins of cardio then why not? I think it all depends on how much you think your body can handle, no?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 07, 2012, 01:21:16 PM
don't overwork it rick, the best way to do it too my knowledge is to rip the muscles and then wait a day for them to heal and strengthen

At the same time if you can handle the extra 30mins of cardio then why not? I think it all depends on how much you think your body can handle, no?

The tearing of lean muscle mass is done through weight bearing exercises done to failure. Any muscles I work this way are rested for at least 3 days so they can repair/strengthen.

Light to moderate cardio can be done multiple days in succession and even more than once a day as long as your eating enough and your heart is healthy. I wouldn't advocate Rick doing a crazy 1 hour kick boxing class 2 days in a row... but walking, riding a bike or some elliptical work should be all good.

I would mix it up a bit though. Treadmill one workout, stationary bike the next, etc..  Or divide your cardio time between machines evenly for 1 workout. For example : if you are doing 60 minutes of cardio do 20min walking, 20 min riding, 20 elliptical. Then the following day you could do the same thing but switch the order.

If you your muscles are sore then I would suggest rest but that doesn't mean you have to do nothing. You can go to the gym and do the same exercises that made your muscles sore but do them without weight or intensity. The idea being that you aren't working the muscle but just using it in the motion that it is sore. This sends blood through that muscle which helps to flush out the lactic acid which has built up there. This will help temporarily relieve the soreness and helps to speed up recovery.

As always listen to your body and take a full day off when you need to.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 07, 2012, 03:53:38 PM
don't overwork it rick, the best way to do it too my knowledge is to rip the muscles and then wait a day for them to heal and strengthen

At the same time if you can handle the extra 30mins of cardio then why not? I think it all depends on how much you think your body can handle, no?

Wear yourself right out.  If you leave a workout not feeling like you've used every bit of energy you had then you haven't done enough.  I mean what is the point of going through the whole effort of a workout and the time it takes to not maximize your results?

Careful with weights though... better to do more sets with less weight to start to avoid a serious injury.  I also suggest starting out on machines vs. free weights to get a feel for what you can handle.  But get off machines as soon as you can.  Free weights work a lot more.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on January 07, 2012, 04:02:39 PM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.

When you open a can of tuna open it so that the lid is not completely off. Drain it, peel the lid up, fill it with water, put the lid back down, drain it again.

If you do that 2 or 3 times its supposed to remove over 90% of the salt. Just use a fork to peel the lid up so you don't accidentally cut yourself.

I really appreciate the suggestion and maybe I'll give it a shot at some point but I decided to go as fresh as possible to have better control over my salt intake, hard to go back now, I really like it. This little kernel of knowledge will stick with me though in case I'm stuck at the cottage or some such, thanks!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 07, 2012, 10:12:33 PM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.

When you open a can of tuna open it so that the lid is not completely off. Drain it, peel the lid up, fill it with water, put the lid back down, drain it again.

If you do that 2 or 3 times its supposed to remove over 90% of the salt. Just use a fork to peel the lid up so you don't accidentally cut yourself.

I really appreciate the suggestion and maybe I'll give it a shot at some point but I decided to go as fresh as possible to have better control over my salt intake, hard to go back now, I really like it. This little kernel of knowledge will stick with me though in case I'm stuck at the cottage or some such, thanks!

No problem and yes fresh is definitely the better choice.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 09, 2012, 12:07:10 AM
I have to start making changes now, but it has nothing to do with resolutions. I just found out I have high cholesterol. I'm 33 and eat a fairly good diet. I'm going to have to take a very close look at my diet to figure out what I can improve.

I had to start really watching my salt intake last year, blood pressure was high consistently for too long, one of the first things that floored me was that a can of tuna had pretty much my daily intake.

When you open a can of tuna open it so that the lid is not completely off. Drain it, peel the lid up, fill it with water, put the lid back down, drain it again.

If you do that 2 or 3 times its supposed to remove over 90% of the salt. Just use a fork to peel the lid up so you don't accidentally cut yourself.

I really appreciate the suggestion and maybe I'll give it a shot at some point but I decided to go as fresh as possible to have better control over my salt intake, hard to go back now, I really like it. This little kernel of knowledge will stick with me though in case I'm stuck at the cottage or some such, thanks!

No problem and yes fresh is definitely the better choice.

I find going fresh to be somewhat difficult. I always try to cook, but not every meal is loaded with leafy greens and veggies. I find I make a lot of stews and one pot meals in order to just plop it in a container and go to work. I really gotta get off eating pasta and rice though. I'm thinking of doing a more or less straight protein/veggies diet without too many carbs (paleo diet?)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 09, 2012, 08:07:46 AM
Tonnes of carbs in veggies! 2/3 of your meal should be carbs, but ones of a low-glycemic index. (i.e. no white bread, rice, etc.)

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 21, 2012, 08:12:01 PM
I attended a 5 hour extreme makeover seminar today... No, not that kind of extreme makeover but a health/fitness/wellness one... MIND BLOWN! Folks, I can go on forever about a wide variety of things bit a few things I just must share.

1. Cut as much sugar out of your diet as you can. 100% is impossible but almost all of it. - Not just a little. Seriously - Almost all of it. Don't replace it with aspartame either. Really, sugar is a killer... I mean it... Sugar will bury you as quickly as smoking can. 

2. This "organic" thing really isn't conspiracy to get us to spend more on produce. Make a switch as best you can. Again, it doesn't need to be completely or all at once... Just do the best you can.

3. There is a long list of household things that are bad (really bad) but I urge everyone to immediately throw away their Teflon cookware. - It's absolutely toxic. In fact, did you know that Teflon has actually been banned (effective 2015.) It is only the big business lobby that convinced the government to implement the ban so far from now so the manufactures can get rid of inventory. - Scary, eh?

Also, you may want to throw away your dryer sheets immediately too if you use them.

4. Burst/Spurt Surge training. - Dead easy. 10-12 minutes per day, 3 times per week. No more. So much better than hitting the treadmill/pavement for hours per week... Look into it... Anyone interested, I will explain but I don't want to bore people if they aren't interested - Just let me know.

I could easily have a list 100 items long but like I said, these ones stood out. Good health everyone!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on January 21, 2012, 08:43:31 PM
4. Burst/Spurt training. - Dead easy. 10-12 minutes per day, 3 times per week. No more. So much better than hitting the treadmill/pavement for hours per week... Look into it...

I've heard that burst training is great for fat burning.  Also known as HIIT - High Intensity Interval Training. 

Thanks for sharing that Sarge - any other tips are welcomed...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 21, 2012, 09:03:23 PM
No prob. A really important thing I have to mention (perhaps the most important) is that anything you do should be done with the most vital system in your body operating as best as it can be - your nervous system. As most know, it drives everything else. Your spinal cord really needs to be sending the messages from your brain at optimum efficiency to be achieve good health. If you can, see a chiropractor to make sure there no deficiencies with the curvature of your spinal cord.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on January 21, 2012, 10:44:29 PM



Also, you may want to throw away your dryer sheets immediately too if you use them.


good! I've hated those damn things since day one. They smell disgustingly phoney. They make me sneeze, make my eyes water and my nose run.....and that's just walking past them on the grocery store shelf.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 21, 2012, 10:48:39 PM



Also, you may want to throw away your dryer sheets immediately too if you use them.


good! I've hated those damn things since day one. They smell disgustingly phoney. They make me sneeze, make my eyes water and my nose run.....and that's just walking past them on the grocery store shelf.

Use the dryer balls... They're like 20 bucks or something but last forever. Put it this way, a couple of the doctors who held the seminar use their old dryer sheets to keep mice out of the basement which kind of tells you something about the toxicity of them.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on January 22, 2012, 09:43:29 AM

4. Burst/Spurt training. - Dead easy. 10-12 minutes per day, 3 times per week. No more. So much better than hitting the treadmill/pavement for hours per week... Look into it... Anyone interested, I will explain but I don't want to bore people if they aren't interested - Just let me know.

I could easily have a list 100 items long but like I said, these ones stood out. Good health everyone!

Is this for weight loss? Or just general health/fitness? Because I've been doing HIIT for a while now and I'm wondering if that might be part of the reason I've plateaued in my weight gains...

Everybody I talk to says it's better for your cardio as well as it forces your body to improve it's recovery speed.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 22, 2012, 10:22:52 AM

4. Burst/Spurt training. - Dead easy. 10-12 minutes per day, 3 times per week. No more. So much better than hitting the treadmill/pavement for hours per week... Look into it... Anyone interested, I will explain but I don't want to bore people if they aren't interested - Just let me know.

I could easily have a list 100 items long but like I said, these ones stood out. Good health everyone!

Is this for weight loss? Or just general health/fitness? Because I've been doing HIIT for a while now and I'm wondering if that might be part of the reason I've plateaued in my weight gains...

Everybody I talk to says it's better for your cardio as well as it forces your body to improve it's recovery speed.

Both really. Unlike general cardio, the premise behind the burst training is it releases the hormones that will continue to burn fat for 36 after completion. While cardio is fine, it just doesn't get those hormones released and your body stops burning the fat fairly quickly. I'll most definitely go for a run when the mood strikes (I just enjoy it) and there is nothing wrong with it but studies prove that the burst training will improve your health in a way general cardio won't.   

Now, having said that, you can incorporate your burst training into whatever regime you have. If your a runner or a runner, one can simply burst while doing that. It's just important to remember to follow the rules - some of which I'll outline here.

There's a formula to figure out which you should be getting your heart rate at but really, at the moment, I don't know how important it is to hit that exact number. Basically, find something you enjoy doing... anything to get your heart rate up is fine... runiing on the spot, push-ups, anything or, even a combination of anything. A "burst" cycle is;

1. 20-60 seconds of any of those things as hard as you can go.
2. Equal time full stop - absolutely nothing
3. 20-60 seconds  of any of those things as hard as you can go.
4. Equal time full stop - absolutely nothing
5. 20-60 seconds  of any of those things as hard as you can go.

(rest a full two minutes between cycles)

Even if your a well conditioned athlete, it is not recommended one does more than 60 second bursts, 4 cycles or do this more than 3 times per week. Like I said, you can certainly do whatever it is you normally do on off days too. It certainly doesn't hurt.

The key here is the hormone release (Testosterone and HGH I believe) which is just incredibly good for you which just doesn't happen in any other form of training... Start small (20 second bursts, 1 cycle) and work up... and enjoy! 

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 22, 2012, 10:45:17 AM
... also, it appears that the correct terminology is Burst or "Surge" training, not "Spurt."... Same thing though... Just wanted to correct that.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 22, 2012, 11:44:55 AM
Dr. Mercola calls it the "Peak 8" system, but it's the same thing. One thing he notes is absolutely no carbs one hour after you do the HIIT or Peak 8. Apparently it'll stunt the release of those growth hormones you just killed yourself to release.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 22, 2012, 11:49:58 AM
Dr. Mercola calls it the "Peak 8" system, but it's the same thing. One thing he notes is absolutely no carbs one hour after you do the HIIT or Peak 8. Apparently it'll stunt the release of those growth hormones you just killed yourself to release.

... thanks for the tip.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: riff raff on January 22, 2012, 05:56:42 PM

1. Cut as much sugar out of your diet as you can. 100% is impossible but almost all of it. - Not just a little. Seriously - Almost all of it. Don't replace it with aspartame either. Really, sugar is a killer... I mean it... Sugar will bury you as quickly as smoking can. 


Great stuff, Sarge.

I have a question about eliminating sugar. Is this just processed sugar? Or does it include naturally occurring sugars like those found in fruit like oranges etc.

I have seen conflicting things. I know Atkins is very much against fruit, but that seems counter-intuitive.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 23, 2012, 01:26:15 AM
3. There is a long list of household things that are bad (really bad) but I urge everyone to immediately throw away their Teflon cookware. - It's absolutely toxic. In fact, did you know that Teflon
 has actually been banned (effective 2015.) It is only the big
business lobby that convinced the government to implement the
ban so far from now so the manufactures can get rid of inventory.
 - Scary, eh?
 

An alternative to the Teflon may be titanium, or perhaps those "Orgreenic" pans as seen on the infomercial.  Of course, as most top chefs know stainless steel remains the better material to use.  Only problem is food has a tendency to 'stick', otherwise, it makes for a much halthier cooking without the toxicity associated with Teflon.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 06:45:06 AM

1. Cut as much sugar out of your diet as you can. 100% is impossible but almost all of it. - Not just a little. Seriously - Almost all of it. Don't replace it with aspartame either. Really, sugar is a killer... I mean it... Sugar will bury you as quickly as smoking can. 


Great stuff, Sarge.

I have a question about eliminating sugar. Is this just processed sugar? Or does it include naturally occurring sugars like those found in fruit like oranges etc.

I have seen conflicting things. I know Atkins is very much against fruit, but that seems counter-intuitive.

Yes, too much of "natural" sugar is also bad. The problem is that our North American lifestyles have made our bodies too focused on burning sugar when it should be burning fat (fat by the way is not a bad thing.) We need fat... We don't need sugar. When sugar is burned in the body it produces toxins which destroy our artery walls causing heart disease (among other things.) I'm not saying stay away from oranges but if you're going to eat fruit (which is a good thing) keep away from the candy bars....  I need to add though that at the seminar, they're saying cut all fruit, so take that FWIW. Also, look at the labels of what your are eating... A lot of things say "sugar free" which is a lie... If it contains corn syrup or anything ending in "ose" try to stay away from it.

For those of you with sweet teeth, try unpasteurized honey.     

Edit: Basically, removing all "refined" sugars is a must and try not to overdo the natural ones.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 07:29:53 AM
3. There is a long list of household things that are bad (really bad) but I urge everyone to immediately throw away their Teflon cookware. - It's absolutely toxic. In fact, did you know that Teflon
 has actually been banned (effective 2015.) It is only the big
business lobby that convinced the government to implement the
ban so far from now so the manufactures can get rid of inventory.
 - Scary, eh?
 

An alternative to the Teflon may be titanium, or perhaps those "Orgreenic" pans as seen on the infomercial.  Of course, as most top chefs know stainless steel remains the better material to use.  Only problem is food has a tendency to 'stick', otherwise, it makes for a much halthier cooking without the toxicity associated with Teflon.

Thanks... Basically I'm told to use stainless and cook with coconut oil (the healthiest) or extra-virgin olive oil (second healthiest.)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 08:03:57 AM
* Refined sugars include white rice, white pasta, and white bread.

* 1/3 of the average Canadian's refined sugar intake come from soft drinks so eliminating that is huge. 2/3 are from hidden sources like sauces, condiments, fruit drinks, etc.

* Straight out of my seminar;  "Sugar is an anti-nutrient offering insignificant amounts of vitamins and minerals and robbing your body of precious nutrient stores. This inevitably leads to diseases of the new millennium such as chronic fatigue, ADD, ADHD, heart disease, diabetes, and cancers."

Again, the basic idea is we need to eliminate all sugars and everything that turns to sugar.

1. No Grains
2. No Fruits (though I'm struggling with this one a bit... like I said, the odd orange? c'mon.) - Berries in moderation.
 

 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 23, 2012, 08:29:17 AM
An alternative to the Teflon may be titanium, or perhaps those "Orgreenic" pans as seen on the infomercial.  Of course, as most top chefs know stainless steel remains the better material to use.  Only problem is food has a tendency to 'stick', otherwise, it makes for a much halthier cooking without the toxicity associated with Teflon.

What about copper or aluminum? I love the look of copper.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 11:43:23 AM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 23, 2012, 11:55:48 AM
Thanks... Basically I'm told to use stainless and cook with coconut oil (the healthiest) or extra-virgin olive oil (second healthiest.)

Now, Sarge, I'm not a doctor or anything, so take what I'm going to say with a grain of salt, but from my knowledge coconut oil is one of the LEAST healthy plant-based oils for you.

1) As with dairy and meat products, the United States Food and Drug Administration,[2], World Health Organization,[3] International College of Nutrition,[4] United States Department of Health and Human Services,[5] American Dietetic Association,[6] American Heart Association,[7] British National Health Service,[8] and Dietitians of Canada[6] recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.

2)
Food    Saturated    Monounsaturated    Polyunsaturated
Canola oil    7    59    29
Corn oil    13    24    59
Olive oil    13    74    8
Sunflower oil    10.3    19.5    65.7
Soybean oil    15    24    58
Coconut oil    92    6    2

3) The high saturated fat content of coconut oil is why its also used in a lot of packaged baked goods, since it gives it a longer lasting "moist mouth feel".
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 12:03:18 PM
Thanks... Basically I'm told to use stainless and cook with coconut oil (the healthiest) or extra-virgin olive oil (second healthiest.)

Now, Sarge, I'm not a doctor or anything, so take what I'm going to say with a grain of salt, but from my knowledge coconut oil is one of the LEAST healthy plant-based oils for you.

1) As with dairy and meat products, the United States Food and Drug Administration,[2], World Health Organization,[3] International College of Nutrition,[4] United States Department of Health and Human Services,[5] American Dietetic Association,[6] American Heart Association,[7] British National Health Service,[8] and Dietitians of Canada[6] recommend limiting the consumption of significant amounts of coconut oil due to its high levels of saturated fat.

2)
Food    Saturated    Monounsaturated    Polyunsaturated
Canola oil    7    59    29
Corn oil    13    24    59
Olive oil    13    74    8
Sunflower oil    10.3    19.5    65.7
Soybean oil    15    24    58
Coconut oil    92    6    2

3) The high saturated fat content of coconut oil is why its also used in a lot of packaged baked goods, since it gives it a longer lasting "moist mouth feel".

That's the thing people need to get their heads around... Fat is good! We need fat. Eating fat does not make you fat. The reality about is Coconut oil is it's not rancid nor does it turn rancid (like most oils.) It's loaded with saturated fat and is simply one of the healthiest foods on Earth.

Extra-virgin olive oil and grape seed oil are also okay but not as good as coconut oil... Canola oil (and like ols) are just plain bad for your body. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 23, 2012, 12:57:05 PM
That's the thing people need to get their heads around... Fat is good! We need fat. Eating fat does not make you fat. The reality about is Coconut oil is it's not rancid nor does it turn rancid (like most oils.) It's loaded with saturated fat and is simply one of the healthiest foods on Earth.

Extra-virgin olive oil and grape seed oil are also okay but not as good as coconut oil... Canola oil (and like ols) are just plain bad for your body.

I recognize "fat" is useful for your body; its more to do with saturated vs non-saturated fat. Excuse my chemistry for a minute:

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An oil turning rancid has to do with the carbon-carbon double bonds in the hydrocarbon chain being easy bonding points for other compounds. That's why a saturated fat, which doesn't have any of these double bonds, doesn't become rancid as easily. The fact that mono/polys become rancid easily actually demonstrates how these are easier to break down - the double bond in the carbon chain has a lower energy requirement to process (a C=C bond individually requires more, but the presence of this bond means there are two less carbon-hydrogen bonds, making the total energy less).

Saying that coconut oil is better for you because it has more saturated fat is like saying beef fat (52% sat/44% mono/4% poly) or butter (68% sat/28% mono/4% poly) is better for you than olive or sunflower oil. Tastier, obviously, but not healthier.

Now, there may be other nutritional benefits of coconut oil that I'm not aware of, but solely comparing it based on saturated fats, I personally would not suggest it. I would like to hear any of the additional arguments they gave you in favour of the coconut oil though.

Again, I'm not a doctor, but I play one on the internet.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Big Daddy on January 23, 2012, 01:08:21 PM
Please keep all of this talk going.  Im learning so much about becoming healtier..  This is becoming my favorite discussion on the site.  I wish I had something to add.  I will attempt to cut out all sugar. I will ditch the teflon pots and pans.  Whats with the dryer sheets?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 23, 2012, 01:15:29 PM
The sugar thing has been my greatest challenge. I love it too much.

From what I've learned, it's not only the amount of sugar you consume, but also its glycemic index number. So it's ok to have fruits, but better to pick those lower on the glycemic index.

There's tonnes of info about this. Just search "low glycemic diet."
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:17:27 PM
TRPB - Saturated fats are needed by your body's cell membranes to transfer toxins OUT and nutrients IN. I'm told that the greatest saturated fats come from grass-fed meat, coconut (inc. coconut milk and oil), avocados, and nuts.   

Monsosaturated fats on the other hand - like extra virgin olive oil) while tasty on salads, lose their essential fatty acids when heted over 120 degrees, making them completely unusable in the body.

As far as Conola oil is concerned, it's the #1 oil ingredient in the grocery store BECAUSE it contains the least amount of saturated fat - This DOES NOT make it good for you. I'm told many doctors (or amature internet doctors  ;)) continue to confuse "saturated" fats with "trans-fats"  thus leading people to Canola oil, corn oil, etc which are absolutely proven to ozidize in the body and cause disease.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:22:25 PM
Whats with the dryer sheets?

Other than being told their toxic? I don't know... I'm prepared to believe and not spend much (if any) time researching exactly why... Especially considering there are cheaper options available that apparently WONT kill you.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 01:31:49 PM
Whats with the dryer sheets?

Other than being told their toxic? I don't know... I'm prepared to believe and not spend much (if any) time researching exactly why... Especially considering there are cheaper options available that apparently WONT kill you.

We don't use fabric softener at all, in the wash or the dryer and haven't had any problems at all with static.  Most dryers these days have sensors to shut the dryer of when the clothes are dry, not baked to death, but dry.  Static and rough/stiff clothes is much of a result of over drying and over soaping.

Line drying clothes is the best, even indoors you can rig up some drying racks.  Saves hydro and doesn't bake your clothes.  If something is a little too stiff once dried, that's a sign of too much soap in the wash, and it never rinsed out properly.

We have a front load washer, and if we put too much soap in the clothes start to stink and smell rancid after being washed because the soap doesn't rinse out.

I find most North American soaps (Tide, Purex, Gain) to stink and mainly use German Persil in liquid and powder form.  The euro's are years ahead in laundry detergent technology.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 01:34:54 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 01:39:10 PM
An alternative to the Teflon may be titanium, or perhaps those "Orgreenic" pans as seen on the infomercial.  Of course, as most top chefs know stainless steel remains the better material to use.  Only problem is food has a tendency to 'stick', otherwise, it makes for a much halthier cooking without the toxicity associated with Teflon.

What about copper or aluminum? I love the look of copper.

Cast iron is pretty much all we use in the house.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:39:20 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 23, 2012, 01:40:32 PM
TRPB - Saturated fats are needed by your body's cell membranes to transfer toxins OUT and nutrients IN. I'm told that the greatest saturated fats come from grass-fed meat, coconut (inc. coconut milk and oil), avocados, and nuts.   

Monsosaturated fats on the other hand - like extra virgin olive oil) while tasty on salads, lose their essential fatty acids when heted over 120 degrees, making them completely unusable in the body.

As far as Conola oil is concerned, it's the #1 oil ingredient in the grocery store BECAUSE it contains the least amount of saturated fat - This DOES NOT make it good for you. I'm told many doctors (or amature internet doctors  ;)) continue to confuse "saturated" fats with "trans-fats" thus leading people to Canola oil, corn oil, etc which are absolutely proven to ozidize in the body and cause disease.

Oaty, so I see where we may be coming at an impasse.

I'm looking at the saturated fat element more from a cardiovascular perspective specifically rather than the "whole body approach" you are, which was likely the point of the seminars you attended.

Quote
Increased LDL

One of the major effects of saturated fat on the body is to increase synthesis of low density lipoprotein, or LDL. This is colloquially referred to as "bad cholesterol," but is in fact simply cholesterol that has been packaged by the liver and is being sent to cells for uptake. Drs. Reginald Garrett and Charles Grisham explain in their 2007 book "Biochemistry" that cells will only take in LDL from the bloodstream in accordance with their needs. If saturated fat consumption leads to high blood levels of LDL, cells stop taking up cholesterol, and the excess remains in the blood. This high level of blood cholesterol can have other cardiovascular effects.

Atherosclerosis

When cholesterol builds up in the bloodstream and cells stop taking it up, the cholesterol can end up forming plaques inside arteries. This leads to narrowing and hardening of the arteries--a disease process called atherosclerosis. According to the Mayo Clinic, atherosclerosis--sometimes called arteriosclerosis--is associated with poor cardiovascular health for many reasons. Not only do narrowed blood vessels fail to deliver blood as efficiently as healthy vessels, but also, hardened arteries can crack and tear, leading to blood clot formation. Clots can then travel through the vascular system and lodge in small vessels, blocking blood flow completely.

Heart Attack and Stroke

Ultimately, high levels of saturated fat intake are associated with increased risk of heart attack and stroke. According to Dr. Lauralee Sherwood in her 2004 book "Human Physiology," this is because when hardened arteries form blood clots that break off and travel through the vessels, the clots are most likely to lodge in the vessels that feed either the heart or the brain. If brain tissue is denied oxygen, it begins to die; this is a stroke. The heart muscle, if denied oxygen, also dies, leading to a portion of the heart that can no longer function. This is called a heart attack, and can vary in severity from mild to life-threatening.

So what may work for you from a complete systems perspective may be bad for a person with cardiovascular issues.

Though, one other thing that threw me for a loop - avocados and nuts are thought of as being very healthy for the exact opposite reason you outline -  they have a lot of fat, but very little of it is saturated:

Avocado: 14.7g fat / 100g, fat distribution of about 15.5% sat / 71.3% mono / 13.2% unsat

Almonds: 51g fat / 100g, 8% sat / 67% mono / 25% poly

(all my numbers taken from wikipedia, percentages are amounts over sum of sat+mono+poly)


Also, for your booze: I've heard of vodka+tonic and vodka+club soda, may give those a try.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 23, 2012, 01:43:26 PM
Sarge:

Also, by no means am I trying to attack your efforts to become healthier, I'm just trying to string out your arguments to make you fully aware of things. If you're planning on making a dramatic change to your diet, I suggest you discuss your plans with your family physician.

Just looking out for a fellow Leafer :P
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 01:44:34 PM

1. Cut as much sugar out of your diet as you can. 100% is impossible but almost all of it. - Not just a little. Seriously - Almost all of it. Don't replace it with aspartame either. Really, sugar is a killer... I mean it... Sugar will bury you as quickly as smoking can. 


Great stuff, Sarge.

I have a question about eliminating sugar. Is this just processed sugar? Or does it include naturally occurring sugars like those found in fruit like oranges etc.

I have seen conflicting things. I know Atkins is very much against fruit, but that seems counter-intuitive.

Yes, too much of "natural" sugar is also bad. The problem is that our North American lifestyles have made our bodies too focused on burning sugar when it should be burning fat (fat by the way is not a bad thing.) We need fat... We don't need sugar. When sugar is burned in the body it produces toxins which destroy our artery walls causing heart disease (among other things.) I'm not saying stay away from oranges but if you're going to eat fruit (which is a good thing) keep away from the candy bars....  I need to add though that at the seminar, they're saying cut all fruit, so take that FWIW. Also, look at the labels of what your are eating... A lot of things say "sugar free" which is a lie... If it contains corn syrup or anything ending in "ose" try to stay away from it.

For those of you with sweet teeth, try pasteurized honey.     

Edit: Basically, removing all "refined" sugars is a must and try not to overdo the natural ones.


See, I've read/been told to seek out local UNpasteurized honey which is mostly what we use.  All the healthy bits in at are alive and still intact not having been destroyed through pasteurization. Also use maple syrup (local from the farm 5 minutes from home) and agave syrup.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on January 23, 2012, 01:45:47 PM
anyone focuse on trying to eat more alkaline foods?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:47:06 PM
Sarge:

Also, by no means am I trying to attack your efforts to become healthier, I'm just trying to string out your arguments to make you fully aware of things. If you're planning on making a dramatic change to your diet, I suggest you discuss your plans with your family physician.

Just looking out for a fellow Leafer :P

I have and he's on board... Again, my goal here is a healthier/longer life.-  Not becoming a pro athlete ... and input is always welcome so no worries.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:50:10 PM

1. Cut as much sugar out of your diet as you can. 100% is impossible but almost all of it. - Not just a little. Seriously - Almost all of it. Don't replace it with aspartame either. Really, sugar is a killer... I mean it... Sugar will bury you as quickly as smoking can. 


Great stuff, Sarge.

I have a question about eliminating sugar. Is this just processed sugar? Or does it include naturally occurring sugars like those found in fruit like oranges etc.

I have seen conflicting things. I know Atkins is very much against fruit, but that seems counter-intuitive.

Yes, too much of "natural" sugar is also bad. The problem is that our North American lifestyles have made our bodies too focused on burning sugar when it should be burning fat (fat by the way is not a bad thing.) We need fat... We don't need sugar. When sugar is burned in the body it produces toxins which destroy our artery walls causing heart disease (among other things.) I'm not saying stay away from oranges but if you're going to eat fruit (which is a good thing) keep away from the candy bars....  I need to add though that at the seminar, they're saying cut all fruit, so take that FWIW. Also, look at the labels of what your are eating... A lot of things say "sugar free" which is a lie... If it contains corn syrup or anything ending in "ose" try to stay away from it.

For those of you with sweet teeth, try pasteurized honey.     

Edit: Basically, removing all "refined" sugars is a must and try not to overdo the natural ones.


See, I've read/been told to seek out local UNpasteurized honey which is mostly what we use.  All the healthy bits in at are alive and still intact not having been destroyed through pasteurization. Also use maple syrup (local from the farm 5 minutes from home) and agave syrup.

Woops!, typo... Yes! I meant unpasteurized honey... Thanks for catching that... I just edited my post.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 01:50:15 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Homo milk or cream, or coconut milk if you are feeling adventerous.  I use to drink a modified white russian like that, without the coffee liqeur, and put some real cold coffee in instead, even a bit of instant coffee powder.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:51:17 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Homo milk or cream, or coconut milk if you are feeling adventerous.  I use to drink a modified white russian like that, without the coffee liqeur, and put some real cold coffee in instead, even a bit of instant coffee powder.

Awesome. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Andy on January 23, 2012, 01:53:43 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Homo milk or cream, or coconut milk if you are feeling adventerous.  I use to drink a modified white russian like that, without the coffee liqeur, and put some real cold coffee in instead, even a bit of instant coffee powder.

You could also go with soda water, which I think tastes better and doesn't have all that fat. All you need now is some Grey Goose and a long line of credit ;)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 01:55:27 PM
anyone focuse on trying to eat more alkaline foods?

Yes.  We started the entire family on fresh fruit/vegetable juices just before Christmas.  Slowly transitioning to a mainly raw food based diet.

Been going through 2 bushels of carrots (100 pounds total) a week, 1 bushel of apples (50 pounds a week) along with 50 lemons or so, few pounds of baby spinach, pounds and pouds of bananas, pounds of berries.

There are 6 of us in the house.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 01:56:18 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Homo milk or cream, or coconut milk if you are feeling adventerous.  I use to drink a modified white russian like that, without the coffee liqeur, and put some real cold coffee in instead, even a bit of instant coffee powder.

You could also go with soda water, which I think tastes better and doesn't have all that fat. All you need now is some Grey Goose and a long line of credit ;)

I'm also off all things carbonated. - Never much liked carbonated drinks anyway but thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 02:00:04 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Homo milk or cream, or coconut milk if you are feeling adventerous.  I use to drink a modified white russian like that, without the coffee liqeur, and put some real cold coffee in instead, even a bit of instant coffee powder.

Awesome. Thanks.

If you go looking for coconut milk, make sure you read the label.  The one I usually get is this one in a tetra pack that can be found at most Loblaw group stores, or FreshCo. is cheaper if you have those around where you are.  Most of the canned stuff has a bunch of nasty stuff added to it.

(http://www.eastasianfood.com/images/articles/TL1630.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 02:01:31 PM
anyone focuse on trying to eat more alkaline foods?

Yes.  We started the entire family on fresh fruit/vegetable juices just before Christmas.  Slowly transitioning to a mainly raw food based diet.

Been going through 2 bushels of carrots (100 pounds total) a week, 1 bushel of apples (50 pounds a week) along with 50 lemons or so, few pounds of baby spinach, pounds and pouds of bananas, pounds of berries.

There are 6 of us in the house.

I need to go through my notes again but I'm told 1 lb of veg per day per every 50 lbs of body mass you are?  I haven't done the math to see where you are in relation to that. Also, I'm told that carrots and other earth grown veg, while good, just contain too much sugar to consider them the bulk of you intake . - Try veg grown ABOVE the ground. Also, have you considered some of the better veggie drinks out there? 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 02:02:26 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Homo milk or cream, or coconut milk if you are feeling adventerous.  I use to drink a modified white russian like that, without the coffee liqeur, and put some real cold coffee in instead, even a bit of instant coffee powder.

Awesome. Thanks.

If you go looking for coconut milk, make sure you read the label.  The one I usually get is this one in a tetra pack that can be found at most Loblaw group stores, or FreshCo. is cheaper if you have those around where you are.  Most of the canned stuff has a bunch of nasty stuff added to it.

(http://www.eastasianfood.com/images/articles/TL1630.jpg)

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 23, 2012, 02:03:15 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Ice.

Or when they aren't looking, ask the bartender to make you a vodka martini with lots of ice and put it in a normal glass. 

Vodka Cranberry with ice is gud stuff.  May get you some laughs depending on how insecure your friends are. :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 02:04:40 PM
One thing I didn't ask at the seminar which frankly, might have not sounded all that good is; "what alcohols contain the least amount of sugar?" (Sorry - not giving that up  ;)) Anyway, calories are fine.. I'm not concerned about these but if anyone knows which boozes contain the least amount of sugar, it would be most helpful. :)

That would be vodka.

Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Ice.

Or when they aren't looking, ask the bartender to make you a vodka martini with lots of ice and put it in a normal glass. 

Vodka Cranberry with ice is gud stuff.  May get you some laughs depending on how insecure your friends are. :)

I guess that works... thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 23, 2012, 02:05:41 PM
Alternatively, if you're interested in making your own coconut milk/cream

For the milk:

    2 ounces freshly grated coconut, approximately 1/2 cup
    1/2 cup boiling 2 percent milk

For cream:

    4 ounces freshly grated coconut, approximately 1 cup
    1/2 cup boiling 2 percent milk

For the milk:

Place 2 ounces of the coconut into a small mixing bowl and pour over the boiling milk. Stir to combine. Cover tightly and allow to sit for 1 hour. Transfer the mixture to the carafe of a blender and process for 1 minute.

Place a tea towel over a mixing bowl and carefully pour the mixture into it. Gather up the edges and squeeze until all of the liquid has been removed. Discard the coconut. You may use the milk immediately or store in the refrigerator for up to 2 days.

For the cream:

Repeat the same procedure as above only using 4 ounces of freshly grated coconut.


Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 02:34:23 PM
anyone focuse on trying to eat more alkaline foods?

Yes.  We started the entire family on fresh fruit/vegetable juices just before Christmas.  Slowly transitioning to a mainly raw food based diet.

Been going through 2 bushels of carrots (100 pounds total) a week, 1 bushel of apples (50 pounds a week) along with 50 lemons or so, few pounds of baby spinach, pounds and pouds of bananas, pounds of berries.

There are 6 of us in the house.

I need to go through my notes again but I'm told 1 lb of veg per day per every 50 lbs of body mass you are?  I haven't done the math to see where you are in relation to that. Also, I'm told that carrots and other earth grown veg, while good, just contain too much sugar to consider them the bulk of you intake . - Try veg grown ABOVE the ground. Also, have you considered some of the better veggie drinks out there?

Yes. I understand the concern with all the "sugar".  I use to live and breath Atkins (low carb) approach.  BUT, I decided to try it out for my self to see what happens with mainly a diet based on fresh fruit/veggies.

Along with all those carrots, apples, also Kale, beets with the greens, swiss chard, celery, cucumber, fennel.

Morning will generally consist of carrot/apple roughly 50/50 with a couple lemons and ginger in it.

Lunch will be more green based.  Maybe say tomato, celery, cucumber, carrot, parsley, cilantro.   

Dinner will most likely be carrot/celery 50/50 and spinach.

The harder fruits and veggies we put through a juicer, then will put the juice in the vitamix and add the leafy green stuff into the vitamix and puree it all. 

The kids after school snack usually consists of a smoothy with unsweetened almond milk, berries, bananas and baby spinach.  Baby spinach is great because it is very mild and the kids don't even know it's in there.

So far, we all feel really good.  All sorts of small nagging ailments are clearing up.  Everyone is sleeping better at night, waking up more refreshed.  Skin ailments clearing up, cold like symptoms gone. 

As far as weight goes, there is a simple formula for figuring out why people gain weight. 

calories consumed - calories expended=weight gain(loss)

To me, that's it. No magic bullet, no nothing.  You consume more than you burn and you put on weight.  End of story, full stop.

Personally, I would rather be dumping calories into my body that come from natural sources such as fruits,veggies,nuts,seeds and generally things that are not over processed. 


Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 23, 2012, 02:41:28 PM
Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Ice.

Or when they aren't looking, ask the bartender to make you a vodka martini with lots of ice and put it in a normal glass. 

Vodka Cranberry with ice is gud stuff.  May get you some laughs depending on how insecure your friends are. :)

Just pull up your shirt, show them your six pack and yell "is that girly enough for you, you pudgy bastard!?"

Or something like that.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 03:03:35 PM
anyone focuse on trying to eat more alkaline foods?

Yes.  We started the entire family on fresh fruit/vegetable juices just before Christmas.  Slowly transitioning to a mainly raw food based diet.

Been going through 2 bushels of carrots (100 pounds total) a week, 1 bushel of apples (50 pounds a week) along with 50 lemons or so, few pounds of baby spinach, pounds and pouds of bananas, pounds of berries.

There are 6 of us in the house.

I need to go through my notes again but I'm told 1 lb of veg per day per every 50 lbs of body mass you are?  I haven't done the math to see where you are in relation to that. Also, I'm told that carrots and other earth grown veg, while good, just contain too much sugar to consider them the bulk of you intake . - Try veg grown ABOVE the ground. Also, have you considered some of the better veggie drinks out there?

Yes. I understand the concern with all the "sugar".  I use to live and breath Atkins (low carb) approach.  BUT, I decided to try it out for my self to see what happens with mainly a diet based on fresh fruit/veggies.

Along with all those carrots, apples, also Kale, beets with the greens, swiss chard, celery, cucumber, fennel.

Morning will generally consist of carrot/apple roughly 50/50 with a couple lemons and ginger in it.

Lunch will be more green based.  Maybe say tomato, celery, cucumber, carrot, parsley, cilantro.   

Dinner will most likely be carrot/celery 50/50 and spinach.

The harder fruits and veggies we put through a juicer, then will put the juice in the vitamix and add the leafy green stuff into the vitamix and puree it all. 

The kids after school snack usually consists of a smoothy with unsweetened almond milk, berries, bananas and baby spinach.  Baby spinach is great because it is very mild and the kids don't even know it's in there.

So far, we all feel really good.  All sorts of small nagging ailments are clearing up.  Everyone is sleeping better at night, waking up more refreshed.  Skin ailments clearing up, cold like symptoms gone. 

As far as weight goes, there is a simple formula for figuring out why people gain weight. 

calories consumed - calories expended=weight gain(loss)

To me, that's it. No magic bullet, no nothing.  You consume more than you burn and you put on weight.  End of story, full stop.

Personally, I would rather be dumping calories into my body that come from natural sources such as fruits,veggies,nuts,seeds and generally things that are not over processed.

Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 03:04:36 PM
Okay... Thanks... Now can you recommend a sugar free mix that won't have all my friends pointing and laughing?  :-\

Ice.

Or when they aren't looking, ask the bartender to make you a vodka martini with lots of ice and put it in a normal glass. 

Vodka Cranberry with ice is gud stuff.  May get you some laughs depending on how insecure your friends are. :)

Just pull up your shirt, show them your six pack and yell "is that girly enough for you, you pudgy bastard!?"

Or something like that.

 :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 03:12:15 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 03:16:20 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!

Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 03:20:48 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!

Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

And eggs, raw in a smoothie or boiled.  Free range hens fed a flax diet.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 03:21:24 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!

Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Are you still off the smokes Sarge?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 03:22:32 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!

Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Are you still off the smokes Sarge?

2 years, 3 months, 12 days.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 03:55:17 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!

Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Are you still off the smokes Sarge?

2 years, 3 months, 12 days.  :)

AWESOME!   That's my next project.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 04:01:57 PM
Gotcha... and good for you... Are you getting enough protein?

Fish for dinner!

Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Are you still off the smokes Sarge?

2 years, 3 months, 12 days.  :)

AWESOME!   That's my next project.

Good luck with it... The "how" will become easy enough as soon as you completely accept the "why." 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 04:13:33 PM
Good luck with it... The "how" will become easy enough as soon as you completely accept the "why."

I really dunno.  I have 'tried' to quit numerous times, using every single crutch there is, nico patch, gum, laser, hypno.

There is a part of me that LOVES to smoke.  There is another part of me that is SO sick of it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 23, 2012, 04:27:04 PM
Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Tell me about it! I'm just starting to really learn about nutrition now. Problem is, the more I read, the more confused I get. That's partly because not all of the experts agree.

Just try finding out if you should eat eggs or not! The difference in opinion is vast.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 04:29:53 PM
Good luck with it... The "how" will become easy enough as soon as you completely accept the "why."

I really dunno.  I have 'tried' to quit numerous times, using every single crutch there is, nico patch, gum, laser, hypno.

There is a part of me that LOVES to smoke.  There is another part of me that is SO sick of it.

I tried all the magic... Once I completely understood it was destroying me (oh, and I almost drowned at Wasaga in front of my wife and kids because I was so out of shape from it) quitting was relatively easy. The "why" was as plain as day... The "how" was cold turkey.

It's just quality of life thing... The curtain just needs to lift for you and once it does, quitting will be a snap. - Trust me.         
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 23, 2012, 04:33:46 PM
Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Tell me about it! I'm just starting to really learn about nutrition now. Problem is, the more I read, the more confused I get. That's partly because not all of the experts agree.

Just try finding out if you should eat eggs or not! The difference in opinion is vast.

Eggs are very, VERY good as I understand it... Unfortunately, I have an intolerance to them (the less done they are, the worse it is.) Though I haven't tried organic ones. I'm most curious if it'll make a difference. I hope it does 'cause I love 'em.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 23, 2012, 07:29:19 PM
Good for you... Nothing wrong with veggie diets but they are just so dangerous in that you have to be sure you're getting enough protein. One really needs to be educated.

Tell me about it! I'm just starting to really learn about nutrition now. Problem is, the more I read, the more confused I get. That's partly because not all of the experts agree.

Just try finding out if you should eat eggs or not! The difference in opinion is vast.

Eggs are very, VERY good as I understand it... Unfortunately, I have an intolerance to them (the less done they are, the worse it is.) Though I haven't tried organic ones. I'm most curious if it'll make a difference. I hope it does 'cause I love 'em.


Eggs definitely are very nutritious.  They've gotten a bad rap because they deemed to be too 'fatty'.  Not true.  In moderation, eating 2-3 boiled eggs per day is excellent.  Be sure to boil them for 20 minutes or slighly longer -- don't worry, boiling them for that long will not destroy the eggs' nutrient content (the shell is very protective). 

However I find an intolerance a times when I eat scrambled or flat (sunny side up) eggs.  I usually separate the yolk from the white (1 whole egg, 1 yolk only).  I find the white of the egg, even with the boiled eggs to be a bit 'heavy'.

The nutrient content of eggs is packed full of all the important protein/vitamins/minerals that the body needs, yes, even for our eyes! 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 23, 2012, 07:48:16 PM
anyone focuse on trying to eat more alkaline foods?


Consuming more alkalinic foods rather acidifying foods is what's really best for our health, as it's been a well-known fact among the alternative medicine crowd that an alkalinity keeps disease at bay, preventing the worst from happening.  Not completely foolproof, but one has a much better chance of preventing the worst diseases such as cancer from invading our cells.

Many of the foods people eat -- beef, pork, all meats practically, as well as refined foods (sugar!), carbohydrates, certain types of refined oils, etc., -- are acidifying.  It doesn't mean we should stay away from beef, for example but balance it out with proper vegetables (juicing is really best), as well as eating fruits such as almost all the berries (blueberry, blackberry, boissonberry, goodebverry, cranberry, etc., etc.,).  Be aware that some fruits, such as cranberry may cone under the acidifying category, but, once eaten, they become alkalyzing in the body.

The body's PH balance should be between 7.5 (ideal) and 8.0 (excellent).  At  a PH of 8.5, the body begins to 'reverse' ailments though one should not be at 8.5 for too long.  Too much alkalinity is not too good. 

If I can, later, I'll see if I can post a chart showcasing all the alkalyzing/acidifying foods.  I have it bookmarked on my computer as a reference to remind myself of what to eat more of, and what to eat less of.  I have a weak spot for cheese (acidifying) so it's important that I balance out my diet with the proper foods.  (Sigh Food is a science, just like our bodies are!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 23, 2012, 10:22:34 PM
Be aware that some fruits, such as cranberry may cone under the acidifying category, but, once eaten, they become alkalyzing in the body.

Lemons are the same way, they are acidic, but once ingested they turn alkaline in the body.

Also, one of the most acidifying things is coffee, and I love coffee.  :'(
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 24, 2012, 04:08:29 AM
An eye-opener....


http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=12172&Section=Disease
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 27, 2012, 05:15:58 AM
Here is a chart explaining all the alkaline/acidic foods.  Note, it isn't always that an acidic food is troublesome for your body, just that it should be combined with an alkalyzing food to balance out the diet and maintain the body's proper PH.

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/acidalka.htm
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 27, 2012, 05:29:51 AM
An alternative to the Teflon may be titanium, or perhaps those "Orgreenic" pans as seen on the infomercial.  Of course, as most top chefs know stainless steel remains the better material to use.  Only problem is food has a tendency to 'stick', otherwise, it makes for a much halthier cooking without the toxicity associated with Teflon.

What about copper or aluminum? I love the look of copper.


Here is the lowdown on aluminum:

Many people still have aluminium cookware – or if they do not have it in their own kitchen, it may be used in the kitchen of their local cafe or restaurant.  The use of aluminum cookware should be avoided, because of the aluminium compounds it leaches into the food can have detrimental effects on general health and fertility – but because of the association between aluminium toxicity and Alzheimer’s disease.

Source:  The New Zealand Journal of Natural Medicine Issue #4
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 27, 2012, 06:02:07 AM
I am on a run of four months without breaking my diet at all. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 27, 2012, 06:08:14 AM
An alternative to the Teflon may be titanium, or perhaps those "Orgreenic" pans as seen on the infomercial.  Of course, as most top chefs know stainless steel remains the better material to use.  Only problem is food has a tendency to 'stick', otherwise, it makes for a much halthier cooking without the toxicity associated with Teflon.

What about copper or aluminum? I love the look of copper.

Cast iron is pretty much all we use in the house.



Q. Is there a difference between copper pots and pans and the regular stainless steel variety?
A. When it comes to cookware and bakeware, there are two main types of materials to consider. Nonreactive metals such as stainless steel have no negative reaction to the foods cooked in them, while reactive metals such as aluminum, copper, and cast iron react to certain types of foods, especially those that are acidic. These foods may become discolored or taste metallic when cooked in pots made of such materials.

Stainless steel has many advantages: Besides being nonreactive, it doesn't corrode, is easy to clean, and doesn't scratch or dent easily. One major downside, however, is that it doesn't conduct heat well.

Copper, although more expensive than stainless steel, is preferred by many culinary professionals for its sturdiness and excellent heat conductivity. Because of its reactive nature -- which can result in toxic reactions with acidic ingredients.... Copper's disadvantages include a surface that is not nonstick, must be polished, and needs to be relined about every 10 years.

..cast iron skillets, long hailed for their even heat conduction, also require special care; they must be seasoned before using, then washed, dried, and oiled after every use.

Enamel-covered cast iron varieties are a good investment; they'll hold in heat and cook evenly...

Source:  TLC:  Questions about pots & pans

Basically, stainless steel and cast iron seem to be the best materials to use, with copper a not too distant third. 

If using cast iron, one needs to buy a good quality pan, and not just something cheap.  I used to use a cast-iron skillet in the past, and found it needed seasoning every now and then.  Of course, eventually, it rusted (dangerous! throw out!)...and yes, it does react with certain types of foods.  There are drawbacks.

Copper is very popular.  Some people prefer using copper pots, but again, they may not go well with all foods. 

A mix of stainless steel, copper, cast iron, and enamel pots & pans is worthy.  Again, avoid Teflon (non-stick) and aluminum.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 27, 2012, 08:44:19 AM
I am on a run of four months without breaking my diet at all.

Good for you... Remember, you are allowed the odd guilt free vacation day.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 27, 2012, 08:52:52 AM
Good luck with it... The "how" will become easy enough as soon as you completely accept the "why."

I really dunno.  I have 'tried' to quit numerous times, using every single crutch there is, nico patch, gum, laser, hypno.

There is a part of me that LOVES to smoke.  There is another part of me that is SO sick of it.

I tried all the magic... Once I completely understood it was destroying me (oh, and I almost drowned at Wasaga in front of my wife and kids because I was so out of shape from it) quitting was relatively easy. The "why" was as plain as day... The "how" was cold turkey.

It's just quality of life thing... The curtain just needs to lift for you and once it does, quitting will be a snap. - Trust me.       

Read this, then quit cold turkey:

http://www.amazon.com/Easy-Way-Stop-Smoking-Non-Smokers/dp/1402718616

Worked for me.  3 years quit now.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 27, 2012, 05:41:14 PM
I am on a run of four months without breaking my diet at all.

Good for you... Remember, you are allowed the odd guilt free vacation day.

To be honest I like my diet more than cheat meals. It's not restrictive in taste or quantity. I average between 3000 and 3500 calories a day. My grocery bill is the only down side.

I do still have treats but  after I went a month without, for no reason really, I wondered how far I could go. Getting through Christmas was the biggest challenge but really not that tough.

I've had thoughts of challenging myself to go a full year but an ice cream cone or a cold beer in the hot summer sunshine is too good to pass up sometimes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 27, 2012, 06:03:41 PM
I am on a run of four months without breaking my diet at all.

Good for you... Remember, you are allowed the odd guilt free vacation day.

To be honest I like my diet more than cheat meals. It's not restrictive in taste or quantity. I average between 3000 and 3500 calories a day. My grocery bill is the only down side.

I do still have treats but  after I went a month without, for no reason really, I wondered how far I could go. Getting through Christmas was the biggest challenge but really not that tough.

I've had thoughts of challenging myself to go a full year but an ice cream cone or a cold beer in the hot summer sunshine is too good to pass up sometimes.

I'm looking to begin gaining muscle mass, but I'm not really sure how to go about it. I don't really want to bulk up, I just want to look lean and relatively muscular. I'm working on it right now going to the gym, but it's really hard to see results so far.

I started on the elliptical and push my heart rate to 158 for a good 40 mins 3-4 times per week in cardio as well.

I just fear if I increase my caloric intake I won't be burning enough calories to burn fat. Are there any resources that give you a training regimen to follow if you're a newb trying to put on some muscle and get leaner and healthier?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on January 27, 2012, 06:14:00 PM
I am on a run of four months without breaking my diet at all.

Good for you... Remember, you are allowed the odd guilt free vacation day.

To be honest I like my diet more than cheat meals. It's not restrictive in taste or quantity. I average between 3000 and 3500 calories a day. My grocery bill is the only down side.

I do still have treats but  after I went a month without, for no reason really, I wondered how far I could go. Getting through Christmas was the biggest challenge but really not that tough.

I've had thoughts of challenging myself to go a full year but an ice cream cone or a cold beer in the hot summer sunshine is too good to pass up sometimes.

I'm looking to begin gaining muscle mass, but I'm not really sure how to go about it. I don't really want to bulk up, I just want to look lean and relatively muscular. I'm working on it right now going to the gym, but it's really hard to see results so far.

I started on the elliptical and push my heart rate to 158 for a good 40 mins 3-4 times per week in cardio as well.

I just fear if I increase my caloric intake I won't be burning enough calories to burn fat. Are there any resources that give you a training regimen to follow if you're a newb trying to put on some muscle and get leaner and healthier?

In about a year I went from 140lbs and 14% body fat to 145 and 10% body fat. I would say if you want to look "strong" without being "big". Swim.

I would also suggest targeting complex muscle groups. Stuff like biceps curls are fun, and your arms will look great immediately after due to swelling, but if you want just to look generally "stronger" without getting much "bigger" you want to do free weight chest press, squats, dead lifts...the exercises that nobody likes doing pretty much.

Swimming helps to keep your waist lean and your back strong. Gives you that "V" look.

Honestly, the big thing though for me is something that I don't think really makes much sense. VISUALIZE gains. WANT to get stronger. I've seen so many people who are bigger/stronger/leaner/whatever than me, but they complain and moan the entire workout. And now...I'm lifting way more than them. I'm sure there's no like scientific proof that enthusiasm actually leads to more muscle gains, but it sure as heck seems like it to me judging by my own personal experiences.

Also, I'd like to just pose a general question...WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GAIN WEIGHT?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 27, 2012, 06:33:08 PM
Also, I'd like to just pose a general question...WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GAIN WEIGHT?

Oh. You're THAT guy.

*glares*
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 27, 2012, 06:40:41 PM
Hey Bender, one of the more contested issues in the bodybuilding world is if it's possible to burn fat AND build lean muscle mass at the same time. I say that it is but you'll find arguments for both sides.

I don't have a resource for you but based on your post I'm guessing you might be interested in a plan that focused on using your own body weight as resistance. Things like push ups, chin ups for your upper body and squats, lunges etc for your lower body. These workouts can be grueling, or easy and low impact. Have you ever done burpees? Man do they suck, but they work.

I get away with eating as much as I do because I have 9 workouts in 6 days. Im just fueling the machine.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 27, 2012, 09:07:20 PM
I am on a run of four months without breaking my diet at all.

Good for you... Remember, you are allowed the odd guilt free vacation day.

To be honest I like my diet more than cheat meals. It's not restrictive in taste or quantity. I average between 3000 and 3500 calories a day. My grocery bill is the only down side.

I do still have treats but  after I went a month without, for no reason really, I wondered how far I could go. Getting through Christmas was the biggest challenge but really not that tough.

I've had thoughts of challenging myself to go a full year but an ice cream cone or a cold beer in the hot summer sunshine is too good to pass up sometimes.

I'm looking to begin gaining muscle mass, but I'm not really sure how to go about it. I don't really want to bulk up, I just want to look lean and relatively muscular. I'm working on it right now going to the gym, but it's really hard to see results so far.

I started on the elliptical and push my heart rate to 158 for a good 40 mins 3-4 times per week in cardio as well.

I just fear if I increase my caloric intake I won't be burning enough calories to burn fat. Are there any resources that give you a training regimen to follow if you're a newb trying to put on some muscle and get leaner and healthier?

In about a year I went from 140lbs and 14% body fat to 145 and 10% body fat. I would say if you want to look "strong" without being "big". Swim.

I would also suggest targeting complex muscle groups. Stuff like biceps curls are fun, and your arms will look great immediately after due to swelling, but if you want just to look generally "stronger" without getting much "bigger" you want to do free weight chest press, squats, dead lifts...the exercises that nobody likes doing pretty much.

Swimming helps to keep your waist lean and your back strong. Gives you that "V" look.

Honestly, the big thing though for me is something that I don't think really makes much sense. VISUALIZE gains. WANT to get stronger. I've seen so many people who are bigger/stronger/leaner/whatever than me, but they complain and moan the entire workout. And now...I'm lifting way more than them. I'm sure there's no like scientific proof that enthusiasm actually leads to more muscle gains, but it sure as heck seems like it to me judging by my own personal experiences.

Also, I'd like to just pose a general question...WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GAIN WEIGHT?

Maybe you've got Jonas Gustavsson syndrome ;)

Some people it's hard to gain weight. I used to have a crazy metabolism and could eat anything and be a rail. Ever since I hit 22 or 23 it really started to show O__o
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on January 27, 2012, 09:18:31 PM
Hey Bender, one of the more contested issues in the bodybuilding world is if it's possible to burn fat AND build lean muscle mass at the same time. I say that it is but you'll find arguments for both sides.

I don't have a resource for you but based on your post I'm guessing you might be interested in a plan that focused on using your own body weight as resistance. Things like push ups, chin ups for your upper body and squats, lunges etc for your lower body. These workouts can be grueling, or easy and low impact. Have you ever done burpees? Man do they suck, but they work.

I get away with eating as much as I do because I have 9 workouts in 6 days. Im just fueling the machine.

Hate burpees.

Pushups are great. If I can't get to the gym I do like 100-150 pushups (sets of 25 with 30 second rest) and my own little ab workout. Feels almost like a real workout.

I feel like it's great if you just want to take a maintenance day.

@Red Polar Bear...ya I'm "that" guy. Except that I've never had my weight over 145lbs and I'm almost 6 feet tall. I can't imagine anybody wishing for my body type/metabolism.

Gotta say though, most of my lifting buddies are guys who are probably 210-240lbs, and the physical/aesthetic improvements in terms of muscle and "cutness" are WAY more significant on me than the other guys. Some guys can probably lift double my weight, but you don't see any muscle at all. @Bender, if you wanna look good. If you want a 6 pack, any of that stuff...you just need to cut body fat %. Like I said in my last post I went from like 13 to 10 and the difference was HUGE. If you cut fat % then I can guarantee you'll at least look trim and fit.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 27, 2012, 09:52:26 PM
Hey Bender, one of the more contested issues in the bodybuilding world is if it's possible to burn fat AND build lean muscle mass at the same time. I say that it is but you'll find arguments for both sides.

I don't have a resource for you but based on your post I'm guessing you might be interested in a plan that focused on using your own body weight as resistance. Things like push ups, chin ups for your upper body and squats, lunges etc for your lower body. These workouts can be grueling, or easy and low impact. Have you ever done burpees? Man do they suck, but they work.

I get away with eating as much as I do because I have 9 workouts in 6 days. Im just fueling the machine.

Hate burpees.

Pushups are great. If I can't get to the gym I do like 100-150 pushups (sets of 25 with 30 second rest) and my own little ab workout. Feels almost like a real workout.

I feel like it's great if you just want to take a maintenance day.

@Red Polar Bear...ya I'm "that" guy. Except that I've never had my weight over 145lbs and I'm almost 6 feet tall. I can't imagine anybody wishing for my body type/metabolism.

Gotta say though, most of my lifting buddies are guys who are probably 210-240lbs, and the physical/aesthetic improvements in terms of muscle and "cutness" are WAY more significant on me than the other guys. Some guys can probably lift double my weight, but you don't see any muscle at all. @Bender, if you wanna look good. If you want a 6 pack, any of that stuff...you just need to cut body fat %. Like I said in my last post I went from like 13 to 10 and the difference was HUGE. If you cut fat % then I can guarantee you'll at least look trim and fit.

Awesome. Yeah, I'm doing decent cardio I'd say. 3-4 days a week for 40-45 mins on the elliptical getting my heart rate to 158+ on the elliptical, working my way to the treadmill. Although I'm thinking of starting a scaled down version of Crossfit. My sister's fiance swears by it, been doing it for years and is looking both trim and pretty muscular at the same time, so I'm thinking of doing the same. Much more anaerobic exercises that aerobic.

http://www.crossfit.com/
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Big Daddy on February 01, 2012, 10:14:21 AM
Im in. I am embarrassed to list my height and weight but as I lose I may divulge the horrendous stats.  Went to gym today, first time, walked on treadmill for 35 min then biked for 15. Lifted some weights but was jumping around to much so hit the sauna.  This has to keep going. I am determined to change my life.
Well its been a month.  Lost 14 pounds.  I can now jog for 2km continously and I walk the other 3km.  My goal is to run for 5km. I am biking 5km as well which is taking me about 21 minutes. I know the gains may seem small but Im doing it and I feel great. Still pushing weights around, only concentrating on shoulders back chest and legs. My diet has changed drastically as well. Not so much what I eat but how much and taking meal replacement shakes.  Anyway I thought Id share my progress.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Big Daddy on February 01, 2012, 10:20:31 AM
Also.  How focused on this BMI should I be.  Since it has deemed me obese I cant get it out of my mind.  I have a number  that Ive figured out through the BMI calculator and now set as a goal to get me to be just  overweight but if I reach that number I'll be elated.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 01, 2012, 05:10:42 PM
Im in. I am embarrassed to list my height and weight but as I lose I may divulge the horrendous stats.  Went to gym today, first time, walked on treadmill for 35 min then biked for 15. Lifted some weights but was jumping around to much so hit the sauna.  This has to keep going. I am determined to change my life.
Well its been a month.  Lost 14 pounds.  I can now jog for 2km continously and I walk the other 3km.  My goal is to run for 5km. I am biking 5km as well which is taking me about 21 minutes. I know the gains may seem small but Im doing it and I feel great. Still pushing weights around, only concentrating on shoulders back chest and legs. My diet has changed drastically as well. Not so much what I eat but how much and taking meal replacement shakes.  Anyway I thought Id share my progress.

14lbs is 14lbs man! Progress is progress! Congratulations! I definitely have to do a better job of being more consistent with what I eat. If I cheat, I cheat big time. Last night my girlfriend came over and we had dinner at a Winterlicious restaurant and watched a movie... but I bought chips and macaroons. BAH! I need to get on the fresh food wagon again, nothing but meat and veggies, and hopefully cut out the carbs (damn useless calorie machines).
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on February 01, 2012, 10:17:34 PM
Also.  How focused on this BMI should I be.  Since it has deemed me obese I cant get it out of my mind.  I have a number  that Ive figured out through the BMI calculator and now set as a goal to get me to be just  overweight but if I reach that number I'll be elated.

First, congrats on the 14 lbs - good job!

On the BMI, I find it seems to be a bit tilted too much to making people think that they need to be bean-poles to be healthy. Even now, where I am the same weight at almost 50 as I was as an athlete in college - it says I'm only just in the "normal" range.

Don't sweat it, just make your own goals and stick to those. If you achieve them, then you can decide whether to push further. For sure, don't let it discourage you - you are doing great!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: BMan on February 02, 2012, 06:59:36 AM
Way to Go Big D. 14 lbs is nothing to sneeze at. Well done.

At least you have started. I have been stuck in neutral for quite a long while now. Some may call it a rut. Some may say its an excuse.

I have a feeling its one of those things where once you start, it won't stop.

It's that kickstart I need.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 04, 2012, 03:22:02 PM
For anyone interested in how/why sugar is a poison and the finer points of what has been discussed here of late, I suggest watching the 1:30 video by Robert Lustig, M.D. - I just finished it and it's absolutely mind blowing. Some of it may anger you (it did me) but it's stuff you just need to know.... Red Polar Bear - I think you'll love the microbiology.

http://m.io9.com/5881328/scientists-say-sugar-is-as-toxic-as-alcohol-+-and-there-should-be-a-drinking-age-for-soda?tag=madscience

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on February 05, 2012, 09:33:33 AM
For anyone interested in how/why sugar is a poison and the finer points of what has been discussed here of late, I suggest watching the 1:30 video by Robert Lustig, M.D. - I just finished it and it's absolutely mind blowing. Some of it may anger you (it did me) but it's stuff you just need to know.... Red Polar Bear - I think you'll love the microbiology.

http://m.io9.com/5881328/scientists-say-sugar-is-as-toxic-as-alcohol-+-and-there-should-be-a-drinking-age-for-soda?tag=madscience
I've been watching it for around 20 minutes now, pretty interesting, gonna continue to watch it :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 08, 2012, 07:19:14 PM
For anyone interested in how/why sugar is a poison and the finer points of what has been discussed here of late, I suggest watching the 1:30 video by Robert Lustig, M.D. - I just finished it and it's absolutely mind blowing. Some of it may anger you (it did me) but it's stuff you just need to know.... Red Polar Bear - I think you'll love the microbiology.

http://m.io9.com/5881328/scientists-say-sugar-is-as-toxic-as-alcohol-+-and-there-should-be-a-drinking-age-for-soda?tag=madscience



Good video. I got through the 90 minutes like it was only 30. A lot of this stuff I already knew but not to this depth.

I started avoiding refined sugar like the plague a few years ago. Really challenging to do but it's been a great life decision.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 08, 2012, 07:29:30 PM
Yeah, as the video shows, even the natural sugar found in fruit (fructose) is the same chemically as sucrose so we need to eliminate that too. - Correct me if I'm wrong (I need to go back to the video perhaps) but he said that fructose found in fruit is generally okay (in small doses) because of the fruit's fibre content but fructose on it's own is also toxic? 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on February 08, 2012, 10:22:07 PM
So I'm helping my gf get back up to speed after a pretty big deal knee injury about a year ago, we're looking at the Goodlife Toronto Marathon 5k run. Not anything huge as that'd probably kill her.

Anywho, what kind of time should I be looking for? My gf is shooting for 25 mins for 5k but I feel like I can probably beat that. The top runner last year was around 15 mins...but that's 3 minutes per kilometer, don't think I can do that, but top 25 puts me at about 20mins for 5k. Is that like super fast? So much so that it's unreasonable? Or is that a possibility for some of you real runner-types.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 08, 2012, 10:51:19 PM
So I'm helping my gf get back up to speed after a pretty big deal knee injury about a year ago, we're looking at the Goodlife Toronto Marathon 5k run. Not anything huge as that'd probably kill her.

Anywho, what kind of time should I be looking for? My gf is shooting for 25 mins for 5k but I feel like I can probably beat that. The top runner last year was around 15 mins...but that's 3 minutes per mile, don't think I can do that, but top 25 puts me at about 20mins for 5k. Is that like super fast? So much so that it's unreasonable? Or is that a possibility for some of you real runner-types.

Aim for her to just complete it. Anything less than 30 minutes strikes me as a decent enough time... In my world (and I run but don't "train") 25 minutes is super fast... but I'm coming up on 40.  :-\ 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 09, 2012, 10:49:04 PM
Yeah, as the video shows, even the natural sugar found in fruit (fructose) is the same chemically as sucrose so we need to eliminate that too. - Correct me if I'm wrong (I need to go back to the video perhaps) but he said that fructose found in fruit is generally okay (in small doses) because of the fruit's fibre content but fructose on it's own is also toxic? 

I look at like this.  How many oranges would it take to make a glass of juice vs just eating an orange? One gives you the whole fruit/fibre the other is a glass of liquid sugar.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2012, 01:07:51 AM
Yeah, as the video shows, even the natural sugar found in fruit (fructose) is the same chemically as sucrose so we need to eliminate that too. - Correct me if I'm wrong (I need to go back to the video perhaps) but he said that fructose found in fruit is generally okay (in small doses) because of the fruit's fibre content but fructose on it's own is also toxic? 

I look at like this.  How many oranges would it take to make a glass of juice vs just eating an orange? One gives you the whole fruit/fibre the other is a glass of liquid sugar.

Yeah, I mean I can't imagine there's so much sugar in most general fruits that it would be an issue. And I'm not sure if you count berries in this as well, but as far as I know they're one of the best foods for you, and I can't imagine oranges, apples, pears, bananas and what have you, to be bad for you unless you consume them like a maniac.

I think what's killer is all the refined carbohydrates people eat, basically straight sugar lacking in nutritional content, a far cry from fruits - the best of which have tons of nutrients.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 10, 2012, 02:26:52 AM
Yeah, as the video shows, even the natural sugar found in fruit (fructose) is the same chemically as sucrose so we need to eliminate that too. - Correct me if I'm wrong (I need to go back to the video perhaps) but he said that fructose found in fruit is generally okay (in small doses) because of the fruit's fibre content but fructose on it's own is also toxic? 

I look at like this.  How many oranges would it take to make a glass of juice vs just eating an orange? One gives you the whole fruit/fibre the other is a glass of liquid sugar.

Yeah, I mean I can't imagine there's so much sugar in most general fruits that it would be an issue. And I'm not sure if you count berries in this as well, but as far as I know they're one of the best foods for you, and I can't imagine oranges, apples, pears, bananas and what have you, to be bad for you unless you consume them like a maniac.

I think what's killer is all the refined carbohydrates people eat, basically straight sugar lacking in nutritional content, a far cry from fruits - the best of which have tons of nutrients.

A big part is when you eat them as well. I'll eat my fruits in the first half of the day, I don't need the sugar in the latter part when I'm just winding down and eventually going to bed.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on February 10, 2012, 08:42:39 AM
Yeah, as the video shows, even the natural sugar found in fruit (fructose) is the same chemically as sucrose so we need to eliminate that too. - Correct me if I'm wrong (I need to go back to the video perhaps) but he said that fructose found in fruit is generally okay (in small doses) because of the fruit's fibre content but fructose on it's own is also toxic?

I use to subscribe to this theory.  And by all accounts it does make sense.  But after drinking mostly FRESH fruit/vegetable juice for the last almost 2 months, I can't agree with the experts on sugar in fruit being sugar just like plain old sugar.

There is SOMETHING else that goes on in the body when you consume fresh fruit either whole, or juice.  Now I'm talking fresh juice, not a bottle of juice from the store.  If it's been pasteurized, it's dead.

As far as I can tell, a fresh piece of fruit, or the juice from it contains all sorts of enzymes that help break down the sugars on their own, not requiring anything from the body (pancreas) to break down the sugar.  That's why fresh fruit and juice will eventually turn into alcohol, because it contains everything inside itself to help break it down.  If you try to make hooch out of pasteurized fruit juice, it won't work.

I don't know.  I was all for low-carb, and it does "work" if you are looking to slim down.  For me, the last 6 weeks drinking mainly fresh fruit/veg juice has helped shed pounds, and I feel the best I have in years.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 10, 2012, 09:18:43 AM
Do yourself a favor, watch the video... Fructose and sucrose are the same... The video will show you the science on how your body breaks it down... Having watched it, I'm inclined to believe small amounts of fruit (because they contain fiber) are okay... I'm off fruit juices for good now though.   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on February 10, 2012, 09:53:15 AM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 10, 2012, 10:00:21 AM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2012, 01:14:41 PM
http://www.discovergoodnutrition.com/index.php/2011/02/the-truth-about-sugars-in-fruit/

http://www.fitsugar.com/OK-Eat-Plenty-Fruit-Worry-About-Fructose-2874911

http://healthonabudget.com/the-difference-between-sugar-in-fruit-vs-processed-snacks-and-juice/
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2012, 01:30:32 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     

No offense, but that's completely extreme. It's like saying all fats are bad, so avoid fats. I've never been of the mindset to avoid foods just because if you eat too much of it it could be bad - nuts are a great example. I don't think they're bad for you, just in the quantities people eat them. To cut them out just because it can be bad if you overeat them I think is just extreme, nevermind the fact that you're missing out on good nutritional content.

But I do agree that fruit juices are basically devoid of much good for you. Im a far bigger fan of making fresh smoothies.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on February 10, 2012, 01:35:43 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

I'll bring the carrots and the kale.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 10, 2012, 01:40:02 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     

No offense, but that's completely extreme. It's like saying all fats are bad, so avoid fats. I've never been of the mindset to avoid foods just because if you eat too much of it it could be bad - nuts are a great example. I don't think they're bad for you, just in the quantities people eat them. To cut them out just because it can be bad if you overeat them I think is just extreme, nevermind the fact that you're missing out on good nutritional content.

But I do agree that fruit juices are basically devoid of much good for you. Im a far bigger fan of making fresh smoothies.

None taken... Have you watched the vid?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     

No offense, but that's completely extreme. It's like saying all fats are bad, so avoid fats. I've never been of the mindset to avoid foods just because if you eat too much of it it could be bad - nuts are a great example. I don't think they're bad for you, just in the quantities people eat them. To cut them out just because it can be bad if you overeat them I think is just extreme, nevermind the fact that you're missing out on good nutritional content.

But I do agree that fruit juices are basically devoid of much good for you. Im a far bigger fan of making fresh smoothies.

None taken... Have you watched the vid?

Not yet (at work). Will watch when I get home though.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 10, 2012, 03:16:26 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     

No offense, but that's completely extreme. It's like saying all fats are bad, so avoid fats. I've never been of the mindset to avoid foods just because if you eat too much of it it could be bad - nuts are a great example. I don't think they're bad for you, just in the quantities people eat them. To cut them out just because it can be bad if you overeat them I think is just extreme, nevermind the fact that you're missing out on good nutritional content.

But I do agree that fruit juices are basically devoid of much good for you. Im a far bigger fan of making fresh smoothies.

None taken... Have you watched the vid?

Not yet (at work). Will watch when I get home though.

Prepare to have you mind blown re. all things "ose."  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 10, 2012, 03:41:01 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     

No offense, but that's completely extreme. It's like saying all fats are bad, so avoid fats. I've never been of the mindset to avoid foods just because if you eat too much of it it could be bad - nuts are a great example. I don't think they're bad for you, just in the quantities people eat them. To cut them out just because it can be bad if you overeat them I think is just extreme, nevermind the fact that you're missing out on good nutritional content.

But I do agree that fruit juices are basically devoid of much good for you. Im a far bigger fan of making fresh smoothies.

None taken... Have you watched the vid?

Not yet (at work). Will watch when I get home though.

Prepare to have you mind blown re. all things "ose."  :)

Maybe, but I don't usually take things people say as gospel without a lot of second opinions ;)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 10, 2012, 03:50:53 PM
Juice? This party is going to be off the hook.

Basically, anything that ends in "ose" is bad. Even lactose in milk - though it's the least potent of the "oses." Large quantities of fruit juice and milk can be bad but they contain lots of other goodies that make them okay. - Rule of thumb is avoid all sugars unless there is another nutritional benefit. - There are tons of "fruit juices" that are high in sugar (fructose) content that do little else for you... You might as well be eating spoonfulls of sugar.     

No offense, but that's completely extreme. It's like saying all fats are bad, so avoid fats. I've never been of the mindset to avoid foods just because if you eat too much of it it could be bad - nuts are a great example. I don't think they're bad for you, just in the quantities people eat them. To cut them out just because it can be bad if you overeat them I think is just extreme, nevermind the fact that you're missing out on good nutritional content.

But I do agree that fruit juices are basically devoid of much good for you. Im a far bigger fan of making fresh smoothies.

None taken... Have you watched the vid?

Not yet (at work). Will watch when I get home though.

Prepare to have you mind blown re. all things "ose."  :)

Maybe, but I don't usually take things people say as gospel without a lot of second opinions ;)

I hear ya.  8)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 12, 2012, 01:04:42 AM
http://www.discovergoodnutrition.com/index.php/2011/02/the-truth-about-sugars-in-fruit/ (http://www.discovergoodnutrition.com/index.php/2011/02/the-truth-about-sugars-in-fruit/)

http://www.fitsugar.com/OK-Eat-Plenty-Fruit-Worry-About-Fructose-2874911 (http://www.fitsugar.com/OK-Eat-Plenty-Fruit-Worry-About-Fructose-2874911)

http://healthonabudget.com/the-difference-between-sugar-in-fruit-vs-processed-snacks-and-juice/ (http://healthonabudget.com/the-difference-between-sugar-in-fruit-vs-processed-snacks-and-juice/)


All of the articles are excellent.  I have stopped drinking juices off  of the supermarket shelf -- many are not only pasteurized, but boiled half to death, and, not all manufacturers come clean with their "no suger added" assertions.  In an article in MacLean's magazine not long ago, Tropicana brand of orange juice was found to be among one of the worst in terms of nutritional content because of what was done to the juice (see above).

I usually make a fruit juice concoction consisting of any of carrots, pineapples, apples, pears, celery, strawberries, orange, and half a lemon ( as preservative), plus I open a Vitamin C capsule and mix it in, as further preservative.  I store my juice in the refrigerator for not more than 3 days.  Ah, great tasting, real fruit juice!

If we need to buy juice over the counter, then a naturally-made flash pasteurized one is best.  Bolthouse Farms flash pasteurizes their juices, as an example, and of course, there are the ones that are quite costly ($8.99 + up) such as R.W. Knudson Just Juice brand, made of mostly of pure, unsweetened Blueberry juice, Cranberry, and Pomegranate, that can be found mostly at a natural food supermarket, and in some cases, a regular supermarket.  Expensive yes, but worth it.
Very concentrated, should be mixed with a little water.


I used to drink many juices off the shelf such as Tropicana brands, over the years, and found that I didn't feel any better.  Switching to a more natural brand, such as the Blueberry I mentioned above, not only makes me feel better, but my eyes feel better, too (since Blueberry is excellent for eye health).  I find the juice to be slightly superior to the equivalent eye supplements.  Guess it pays to do what's right for proper health.

One other thing:  if it doesn't say "certified organic", chances are it isn't.  Anyone can put a "natural", "organic" label on a product without any real certification, but those that say "certified organic" require certification (first or third party certification), otherwise, they cannot be "certified".
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 12, 2012, 05:09:41 PM
I spent some vacation time on a farm on a remote island, my grandfathers farm. There was no industry on the island, he had no machinery.  Everything the family ate was provided by the farm.

You would sit down to lunch of a chicken that was alive that morning, beans and potatoes that were just pulled out of the ground an hour earlier and bread that my grandmother made by hand and all ingredients were harvested from the farm. There were also orange trees, pear trees, fig trees, lemon trees...etc.

You eat that kind of organic fresh food, breathe in that fesh air and put in some honest work helping around the farm it makes you feel really good and you realize how polluted our environment here really is.

I was fat back then. I could hike up a mountain on the island with relative ease but two weeks earlier I almost collapsed walking a few blocks through Toronto on a hot smog alert day.

I think about these experiences a lot.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 12, 2012, 05:25:31 PM
GMOs  >:( That's the next thing I have to get my head wrapped around.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 13, 2012, 04:36:08 AM
GMOs  >:( That's the next thing I have to get my head wrapped around.


Let's hope our food will always be clear of GMOs.  Monsanto has been trying for years to get Canada (the federal government) to accept GMOs.  Fortunately, that hasn't happened in earnest yet, even though Corn and Soy seeds have already been genetically-
modified, so much so, that even Monsanto itself can't tell the GM'd seeds from the non-version, as such was the case with  Percy Schmeiser, a farmer who sued Monsanto after being pressured into buying questionnable seeds.  Ever heard of that story from several years ago? 

The Europeans have expressly banned GMO crops.  Unfortunately, many seeds that were planted (having been imported from here) ruined/damaged Euro farms and it's environment. 

Personally, I support the work of The Council of Canadians for alerting the public, and publications such as Alive magazine, for writing about the dangers of genetically-modified crops.

If a GMO seed can ruin and damage the natural environment -- seeds pollute the soil; butterflies, etc., that pollinate flowers & plants, etc,. etc,. can be affected, 'altering' their natural DNA -- then, what is to prevent GMOs to alter ours in the long run if we were to consume nothing but GMO'd food?  Think about it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 11:48:18 AM
Should We Regulate Sugar?

http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/should-we-regulate-sugar/

Should US Regulate Sugar like Tobacco, Alcohol?

http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2012/02/should-us-regulate-sugar-like-tobacco-alcohol.html
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on February 13, 2012, 12:06:36 PM
Should We Regulate Sugar?

Probably, but if they are going to regulate sugar, it brings a lot of other things into the picture as well that should be regulated as well.  ie: fats, fast food in general, etc. 

maybe the secret to getting America to slim down is to tax the crap out of the crap they eat way too much of.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
Should We Regulate Sugar?

Probably, but if they are going to regulate sugar, it brings a lot of other things into the picture as well that should be regulated as well.  ie: fats, fast food in general, etc. 

maybe the secret to getting America to slim down is to tax the crap out of the crap they eat way too much of.

Yeah, but what you're missing is that it's not "fat" that is at the root of the obesity problem in North America... It's sugar.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on February 13, 2012, 12:16:28 PM
Should We Regulate Sugar?

Probably, but if they are going to regulate sugar, it brings a lot of other things into the picture as well that should be regulated as well.  ie: fats, fast food in general, etc. 

maybe the secret to getting America to slim down is to tax the crap out of the crap they eat way too much of.

Yeah, but what you're missing is that it's not "fat" that is at the root of the obesity problem in North America... It's sugar.

Not really missing it, I just don't agree that sugar alone is the problem.  I think fast food is a bigger problem, because a meal typically combines the worst of fats, sugars, sodium and total calories.  You only need to look at the money that is spent on it every year to see how much of a problem it is.   

And yes, what kids can get in schools, mostly sugar, should be controlled as well.

I don't think the idea of making it so you have to be of age to purchase it is the way to go. I think you simply tax the crap out of it and make it far less reasonable to buy it. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 12:20:34 PM
Should We Regulate Sugar?

Probably, but if they are going to regulate sugar, it brings a lot of other things into the picture as well that should be regulated as well.  ie: fats, fast food in general, etc. 

maybe the secret to getting America to slim down is to tax the crap out of the crap they eat way too much of.

Yeah, but what you're missing is that it's not "fat" that is at the root of the obesity problem in North America... It's sugar.

Not really missing it, I just don't agree that sugar alone is the problem.  I think fast food is a bigger problem, because a meal typically combines the worst of fats, sugars, sodium and total calories.  You only need to look at the money that is spent on it every year to see how much of a problem it is.   

And yes, what kids can get in schools, mostly sugar, should be controlled as well.

I don't think the idea of making it so you have to be of age to purchase it is the way to go. I think you simply tax the crap out of it and make it far less reasonable to buy it.

Fast food in generally contains little nutritional value coupled with high sugar content. - it's really no more complicated then that.   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on February 13, 2012, 12:26:14 PM
Fast food in generally contains little nutritional value coupled with high sugar content. - it's really no more complicated then that.   

I. Don't. Really. Know. What. We. Are. Debating. Now.

High sugar = bad
High sugar + high fat = badderer.

All i'm saying. 
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 13, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
What do you hate more sarge, Tim Connolly or sugar?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 12:35:13 PM
Fast food in generally contains little nutritional value coupled with high sugar content. - it's really no more complicated then that.   

I. Don't. Really. Know. What. We. Are. Debating. Now.

High sugar = bad
High sugar + high fat = badderer.

All i'm saying.

Yeah, but what you're saying isn't entirely correct... Fat (saturated fat) is good for you. Our bodies need it... Our bodies don't need sugar - even of the natural variety. The perfect fruit would have all the vitamins and nutritional values minus the fructose. The perfect steak would contain no GMOs from a grass fed cow plus a good amount of fat
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 12:37:16 PM
What do you hate more sarge, Tim Connolly or sugar?

Connolly.... and it's not even close.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on February 13, 2012, 01:39:41 PM
Fast food in generally contains little nutritional value coupled with high sugar content. - it's really no more complicated then that.   

I. Don't. Really. Know. What. We. Are. Debating. Now.

High sugar = bad
High sugar + high fat = badderer.

All i'm saying.

Yeah, but what you're saying isn't entirely correct... Fat (saturated fat) is good for you. Our bodies need it... Our bodies don't need sugar - even of the natural variety. The perfect fruit would have all the vitamins and nutritional values minus the fructose. The perfect steak would contain no GMOs from a grass fed cow plus a good amount of fat.

Our bodies "need" a very moderate amount of fat. Most people consume significantly more than what the body should take in, and its multiplied 10x when you start to throw in lunches and dinners at McD's or anywhere like that. Lets cut the sugar out for sure, but take out the mass quantities of saturated fats, etc etc at the same time.  I mean why not? 

If there was a "health tax" of $2 per combo at McD's, would it entice people to eat better? I think it might.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 02:00:36 PM
Fast food in generally contains little nutritional value coupled with high sugar content. - it's really no more complicated then that.   

I. Don't. Really. Know. What. We. Are. Debating. Now.

High sugar = bad
High sugar + high fat = badderer.

All i'm saying.

Yeah, but what you're saying isn't entirely correct... Fat (saturated fat) is good for you. Our bodies need it... Our bodies don't need sugar - even of the natural variety. The perfect fruit would have all the vitamins and nutritional values minus the fructose. The perfect steak would contain no GMOs from a grass fed cow plus a good amount of fat.

Our bodies "need" a very moderate amount of fat. Most people consume significantly more than what the body should take in, and its multiplied 10x when you start to throw in lunches and dinners at McD's or anywhere like that. Lets cut the sugar out for sure, but take out the mass quantities of saturated fats, etc etc at the same time.  I mean why not? 

If there was a "health tax" of $2 per combo at McD's, would it entice people to eat better? I think it might.

Don't confuse saturated fats with trans fats. Saturated fats do not make you fat. We need them.well, I'm not sure big business wouldn't win out again over public heath a How much exactly? Well, I'm not that far along in my studies to know for sure but we don't need sugar - any of it. - That much I do know. Now, I haven't thrown a big enough grenade in my diet to avoid all sugar (it's next to impossible) but I do make an effort to avoid it where possible.

As far as taxing Mickey Dees is concerned, I'm not sure big business wouldn't win out again over public health. Especially when one could just choose to avoid them. One idea I suppose would be to offer substantial tax breaks to new establishments offering certified organic and sugar free selections, etc. but I'm not sure this would be a high priority for this government.

Edit: The purpose of course is to have good food out there... Cheap.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 13, 2012, 03:14:07 PM
I think we should be able to claim things like my gym membership on our tax returns.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 03:40:24 PM
I think we should be able to claim things like my gym membership on our tax returns.

Under the right circumstances, I agree. I mean, should tax payer pay for guys just wanting to build body mass? No way, man.... but if the program is designed for long-term health and one actually sticks with it then why not? It could be a lesser burden on the health care system in the end. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 13, 2012, 05:01:26 PM
Don't confuse saturated fats with trans fats. Saturated fats do not make you fat. We need them.well, I'm not sure big business wouldn't win out again over public heath a How much exactly? Well, I'm not that far along in my studies to know for sure but we don't need sugar - any of it. - That much I do know. Now, I haven't thrown a big enough grenade in my diet to avoid all sugar (it's next to impossible) but I do make an effort to avoid it where possible.

As far as taxing Mickey Dees is concerned, I'm not sure big business wouldn't win out again over public health. Especially when one could just choose to avoid them. One idea I suppose would be to offer substantial tax breaks to new establishments offering certified organic and sugar free selections, etc. but I'm not sure this would be a high priority for this government.

Edit: The purpose of course is to have good food out there... Cheap.

I generally agree with you Sarge, but you're kinda putting words in people's mouths here. Corn Flake is talking about health in general, and you seem to be focusing on weight. (see your bolded part above.) I think most people understand that fats don't make you fat. Well, actually they can as they provide calories and if you overindulge in calories of any type, you'll get fat (on the inside especially.)

I also hope that you're basing your opinions on more than one source. There's such much controversy and disagreement about fats out there. I've read quite a bit (though I haven't watched the video you posted) and am probably more confused than ever. Some of what I've read comes from mainstream sources such as the Canadian Diabetes Association, Health Canada, Heart and Stroke, etc. and also some more controversial sources such as Dr. Mercola and Sears.

Most of them agree (and this is where I agree with you) that a low-glycemic diet is the solution.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 13, 2012, 05:25:34 PM
http://lifehacker.com/5809331/what-sugar-actually-does-to-your-brain-and-body


As previously mentioned in the section about processed and unprocessed foods, fiber is very necessary in curbing sugar intake. It does what fructose can't do, and that's alert you that you've consumed calories and you don't need to eat anymore. Basically, fiber and fructose need to work together. Fiber is fructose's unattractive but brilliant friend. Fructose makes up for fiber's lack of sweetness while fiber makes up for fructose's uselessness.

So how do you eat fiber with your fructose? Don't eat processed foods. Get your fructose from fruit or other sources that contain built-in fiber.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 05:26:03 PM
Don't confuse saturated fats with trans fats. Saturated fats do not make you fat. We need them.well, I'm not sure big business wouldn't win out again over public heath a How much exactly? Well, I'm not that far along in my studies to know for sure but we don't need sugar - any of it. - That much I do know. Now, I haven't thrown a big enough grenade in my diet to avoid all sugar (it's next to impossible) but I do make an effort to avoid it where possible.

As far as taxing Mickey Dees is concerned, I'm not sure big business wouldn't win out again over public health. Especially when one could just choose to avoid them. One idea I suppose would be to offer substantial tax breaks to new establishments offering certified organic and sugar free selections, etc. but I'm not sure this would be a high priority for this government.

Edit: The purpose of course is to have good food out there... Cheap.

I generally agree with you Sarge, but you're kinda putting words in people's mouths here. Corn Flake is talking about health in general, and you seem to be focusing on weight. (see your bolded part above.) I think most people understand that fats don't make you fat. Well, actually they can as they provide calories and if you overindulge in calories of any type, you'll get fat (on the inside especially.)

I also hope that you're basing your opinions on more than one source. There's such much controversy and disagreement about fats out there. I've read quite a bit (though I haven't watched the video you posted) and am probably more confused than ever. Some of what I've read comes from mainstream sources such as the Canadian Diabetes Association, Health Canada, Heart and Stroke, etc. and also some more controversial sources such as Dr. Mercola and Sears.

Most of them agree (and this is where I agree with you) that a low-glycemic diet is the solution.

Well, that wasn't my intent. - Sorry CF if you saw it that way. Yeah, this has been kind of an obsession of mine of late and I'm doing a lot of reading on it. - It's far more than one source - no worries there.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 13, 2012, 05:29:25 PM
http://lifehacker.com/5809331/what-sugar-actually-does-to-your-brain-and-body


As previously mentioned in the section about processed and unprocessed foods, fiber is very necessary in curbing sugar intake. It does what fructose can't do, and that's alert you that you've consumed calories and you don't need to eat anymore. Basically, fiber and fructose need to work together. Fiber is fructose's unattractive but brilliant friend. Fructose makes up for fiber's lack of sweetness while fiber makes up for fructose's uselessness.

So how do you eat fiber with your fructose? Don't eat processed foods. Get your fructose from fruit or other sources that contain built-in fiber.

Awesome... thanks Bender. I think it's important folks know to stay away from refined sugars though... No matter how much fiber they have in their diet.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 13, 2012, 05:32:09 PM
http://lifehacker.com/5809331/what-sugar-actually-does-to-your-brain-and-body


As previously mentioned in the section about processed and unprocessed foods, fiber is very necessary in curbing sugar intake. It does what fructose can't do, and that's alert you that you've consumed calories and you don't need to eat anymore. Basically, fiber and fructose need to work together. Fiber is fructose's unattractive but brilliant friend. Fructose makes up for fiber's lack of sweetness while fiber makes up for fructose's uselessness.

So how do you eat fiber with your fructose? Don't eat processed foods. Get your fructose from fruit or other sources that contain built-in fiber.

Awesome... thanks Bender. I think it's important folks know to stay away from refined sugars though... No matter how much fiber they have in their diet.

That's true, but pretty much refined anything will kill you in the long run.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000011000000000000000-13.html?

Just look at some of these items listed as having low fructose: Enriched white flour?? Sausage and Biscuit?

Again, there's no reason to overconsume anything, but I think it's far harder to overconsume fruits than refined foods. Although, I definitely agree that in general the key to good health is dark, leafy greens. Any veggie with a deep colour is generally very good for you.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 25, 2012, 05:54:42 AM
http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=12310&Section=Nutrition (http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=12310&Section=Nutrition)

Slow carbohydrates such as eggs, meat, legumes, lentils, broccoli and peas may affect a blood chemical linked to heart disease, U.S researchers said.

Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle examined carbohydrate foods that digest more slowly, or slow carbohydrates, and those that turn quickly into simple sugars, or fast carbohydrates -- such as fruit, white flour, bread, potato chips, rice, potatoes or sugar.

The researchers looked at C-reactive protein, a marker of inflammation. It was lower among about 40 overweight or obese people when they were on a slow carbohydrate eating pattern.

"The source of the carbohydrate really does matter...urge consumers to choose whole grains, non-refined grains and so forth...

The study was published in the Journal of Nutrition.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 26, 2012, 12:57:40 AM
I made a turkey chilli this week with lentils being one of the ingredients. It was good.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on March 07, 2012, 12:04:05 AM
Really in a "machine" mode right now. I haven't broke diet once in 6 months and my training has been intense.  I feel incredible!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: oldrugbyguy on March 19, 2012, 02:59:41 PM
I have been doing this all wrong for years. Been sick in bed for 5 plus days no appetitie dropped 8lbs and though now at work think I will lose another couple till I'm completely back on my feet.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 21, 2012, 09:03:03 PM
I've been able to kick my coca-cola addiction, over the last 3 months or so I've drank as much coke as I used to have in like 3 days.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on March 21, 2012, 09:24:03 PM
I've been able to kick my coca-cola addiction, over the last 3 months or so I've drank as much coke as I used to have in like 3 days.

Good for you! On average, 1/3 of the sugar one consumes comes from pop. Kicking that will go a long way to improving your health.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on March 22, 2012, 05:53:34 AM
I've been able to kick my coca-cola addiction, over the last 3 months or so I've drank as much coke as I used to have in like 3 days.

Do you notice any changes in your body, energy, mood, etc?
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 22, 2012, 09:56:39 AM
I've been able to kick my coca-cola addiction, over the last 3 months or so I've drank as much coke as I used to have in like 3 days.

Do you notice any changes in your body, energy, mood, etc?

I've dropped a few pounds, not sure how much and I sleep better.

The sleep is probably because I don't get any caffeine later in the evening.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Peter D. on March 22, 2012, 01:23:12 PM
How much Coke were you drinking before Deebo?  I have a buddy who puts down 4 to 6 a day pretty much.

It's pretty remarkable what even the slightest change to one's diet could do.  I went from buying a croissant/muffin/tea biscuit/bagel/cinnamon bun each day here at work for breakfast, accompanied with a sugary juice, to bringing a granola bar and banana or making a yogurt and granola parfait topped with fresh fruit.  That change alone helped me lose roughly 10 pounds over the course of a year.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on March 22, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
I used to drink AT LEAST 6 Cokes daily.  I'm down to having 1-2 Diet Cokes daily, and almost no real Coke at all.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on March 22, 2012, 04:15:22 PM
I used to drink AT LEAST 6 Cokes daily.  I'm down to having 1-2 Diet Cokes daily, and almost no real Coke at all.

That's a big improvement Rick.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on March 22, 2012, 04:19:32 PM
How much Coke were you drinking before Deebo?  I have a buddy who puts down 4 to 6 a day pretty much.

It's pretty remarkable what even the slightest change to one's diet could do.  I went from buying a croissant/muffin/tea biscuit/bagel/cinnamon bun each day here at work for breakfast, accompanied with a sugary juice, to bringing a granola bar and banana or making a yogurt and granola parfait topped with fresh fruit.  That change alone helped me lose roughly 10 pounds over the course of a year.

I'd say 2-5, depending on the day. I had tried a few times before, but this time I really felt commited to cutting it back. It was as simple as not buying cases.

Weight wasn't a problem for me, so I'm finding the weight loss a little problematic, I'm not terribly active and I'm still dropping wieght so I think I'm undereating.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on March 22, 2012, 10:33:55 PM
How much Coke were you drinking before Deebo?  I have a buddy who puts down 4 to 6 a day pretty much.

It's pretty remarkable what even the slightest change to one's diet could do.  I went from buying a croissant/muffin/tea biscuit/bagel/cinnamon bun each day here at work for breakfast, accompanied with a sugary juice, to bringing a granola bar and banana or making a yogurt and granola parfait topped with fresh fruit.  That change alone helped me lose roughly 10 pounds over the course of a year.

I'd say 2-5, depending on the day. I had tried a few times before, but this time I really felt commited to cutting it back. It was as simple as not buying cases.

Weight wasn't a problem for me, so I'm finding the weight loss a little problematic, I'm not terribly active and I'm still dropping wieght so I think I'm undereating.

Or maybe your perception of a good weight for yourself is off ? Just guessing.

I was surprised at my own weight loss and where my body finally settled.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 23, 2012, 02:46:10 AM
The importance and benefits of proper protein and it's role in the body...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=12416&Section=Nutrition
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on March 23, 2012, 05:05:51 AM
The importance and benefits of proper protein and it's role in the body...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=12416&Section=Nutrition

I'm taking in 210 to 240 grams of protien per day.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on March 23, 2012, 08:20:35 AM
Just bought a used bike yesterday off Kijiji.  It's a Giant Rincon model.  It's got an extra large, yet light frame to carry my fatass around.  My buddy that knows mountain bikes thinks I got a steal for $200.  Looking forward to daily bike rides during the day...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 24, 2012, 04:46:55 AM
I've been able to kick my coca-cola addiction, over the last 3 months or so I've drank as much coke as I used to have in like 3 days.

Do you notice any changes in your body, energy, mood, etc?

I've dropped a few pounds, not sure how much and I sleep better.

The sleep is probably because I don't get any caffeine later in the evening.


This is my pop drink (occasionally).  Best consumed chilled or cold:

http://www.zevia.com/ (http://www.zevia.com/)

No sugar, gluten, nor calories.  Diabetic-friendly, sweetened with Stevia (Rebaudiana).  Have just tried the Orange and Ginger Ale flavours.

(The first time, I detected a 'metal' aftertaste, and had found out that the can had an expiry date past due)!

The newest batch arrived at my local supermarket, fresher, and with no aftertaste. I consumed the Orange flavour again, nice and cold straight from the fridge...ah, very good.

If any if you can find it where you shop, try it at least and see if it can pass for an alternative pop beverage.

Cheers!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 24, 2012, 09:06:17 AM
Well, I have now lost 12 lbs and broke into the 220s at a trim 228.6 lbs on my 5'10" frame.  ;D

Trying for 220 lbs by April 15th.  I will keep you folks posted.  Losing the 12 pounds by only watching how much I ate has allowed my body to feel better than it has felt for a long time.  I now have the energy to exercise which will accelerate the weight loss.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: BMan on March 24, 2012, 09:09:03 AM
Well, I have now lost 12 lbs and broke into the 220s at a trim 228.6 lbs on my 5'10" frame.  ;D

Trying for 220 lbs by April 15th.  I will keep you folks posted.  Losing the 12 pounds by only watching how much I ate has allowed my body to feel better than it has felt for a long time.  I now have the energy to exercise which will accelerate the weight loss.

Good on ya man! And good on all of you for trying to better your lives
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 24, 2012, 10:00:29 AM
Well, I have now lost 12 lbs and broke into the 220s at a trim 228.6 lbs on my 5'10" frame.  ;D

Trying for 220 lbs by April 15th.  I will keep you folks posted.  Losing the 12 pounds by only watching how much I ate has allowed my body to feel better than it has felt for a long time.  I now have the energy to exercise which will accelerate the weight loss.

Good on ya man! And good on all of you for trying to better your lives

Thanks Bman!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on April 01, 2012, 10:53:09 AM
Just bought a used bike yesterday off Kijiji.  It's a Giant Rincon model.  It's got an extra large, yet light frame to carry my fatass around.  My buddy that knows mountain bikes thinks I got a steal for $200.  Looking forward to daily bike rides during the day...

Picked up a treadmill yesterday.  The last one at Costco, the floor display model.  It's industrial gym strength Freemotion 730 (http://www.freemotionfitness.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_-1_10001_10002_10501_193675).  I negotiated it for $475.  It's got all the bells and whistles that I'll likely never use, but it's strong enough for my fat ass.  I WILL use it daily.  When I don't I'll use the bike.  And in the next year I'm losing 100 lbs.  And I'm going gluten and dairy free...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 01, 2012, 07:11:11 PM
Just bought a used bike yesterday off Kijiji.  It's a Giant Rincon model.  It's got an extra large, yet light frame to carry my fatass around.  My buddy that knows mountain bikes thinks I got a steal for $200.  Looking forward to daily bike rides during the day...

Picked up a treadmill yesterday.  The last one at Costco, the floor display model.  It's industrial gym strength Freemotion 730 (http://www.freemotionfitness.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_-1_10001_10002_10501_193675).  I negotiated it for $475.  It's got all the bells and whistles that I'll likely never use, but it's strong enough for my fat ass.  I WILL use it daily.  When I don't I'll use the bike.  And in the next year I'm losing 100 lbs.  And I'm going gluten and dairy free...

I know you can do it Rick. Effort, Commitment, Consistency will all add up to Success.

... And that's no April Fools joke...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 01, 2012, 08:10:31 PM
And I'm going gluten and dairy free...

Are you gluten intolerant?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 02, 2012, 01:51:03 PM
Started my first of 20 fitness "boot-camp" classes today, I can barley move my legs.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 02, 2012, 02:59:53 PM
Started my first of 20 fitness "boot-camp" classes today, I can barley move my legs.

Good for you. Some of those classes can be really hard but if you keep at it you will be amazed at how your body will adapt. You may even get to a point where you continue to work out on your own after the class is done because you feel like there is still one thing left in the tank.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Derk on April 02, 2012, 04:57:37 PM
A friend of mine does those boot camps too. She has nothing but good things to say.

On another note, I haven't been doing so well from a fitness perspective in recent years - softball once a week and hiking once a month in summer was pretty much it - and the softball was mitigated by the beer and wings afterwards. :(

This year, now that I am in a more bike friendly area, I am going to get back on the roads like I did when I was in University. I really enjoyed biking everywhere I went (still need the car for work though). Also going to up the tempo on the hiking this year, as well as get a gym membership through work (large discount) to fill in the gaps.

I always used to be doing something, but that stopped when I graduated and started work. Time to get back to it!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 02, 2012, 06:00:06 PM
A friend of mine does those boot camps too. She has nothing but good things to say.

On another note, I haven't been doing so well from a fitness perspective in recent years - softball once a week and hiking once a month in summer was pretty much it - and the softball was mitigated by the beer and wings afterwards. :(

This year, now that I am in a more bike friendly area, I am going to get back on the roads like I did when I was in University. I really enjoyed biking everywhere I went (still need the car for work though). Also going to up the tempo on the hiking this year, as well as get a gym membership through work (large discount) to fill in the gaps.

I always used to be doing something, but that stopped when I graduated and started work. Time to get back to it!

They just put bike lanes around Moncton making it safer so Sue and I are looking to start biking to work which is going to be great.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on April 04, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
And I'm going gluten and dairy free...

Are you gluten intolerant?

Sorry, missed this one...  No, not Gluten intolerant, but in the several days since I last had anything with wheat - I feel less bloated and a little more healthy.  Could be the lack of wheat, milk, or Cokes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 11, 2012, 01:51:35 PM
I've now gone 7 months of clean eating without breaking diet.  Having most recently conquered Easter the next big forseeable challenge is the summertime BBQ get togethers.  I don't think I'll get through the summer without some treats but the longer I go the more I want to see how far I can go.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on April 11, 2012, 02:03:38 PM
Any tips on what to eat before working out?

Day of or day before, or just tips in general
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 11, 2012, 03:01:37 PM
Any tips on what to eat before working out?

Day of or day before, or just tips in general

Not so much what but how.... I've been told something small before and absolutely nothing for at least an hour after. I don't know why the latter works but I've been doing that and it seems to. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 11, 2012, 04:16:04 PM
Apparently having carbs, particularly sugars, after your workout stunts the release of growth-hormones.

Source: Dr. Mercola
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on April 11, 2012, 04:18:59 PM
Apparently having carbs, particularly sugars, after your workout stunts the release of growth-hormones.

Source: Dr. Mercola

Not according to that chocolate milk commercial. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 11, 2012, 04:22:35 PM
Apparently having carbs, particularly sugars, after your workout stunts the release of growth-hormones.

Source: Dr. Mercola

Well there you go... Thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 11, 2012, 04:56:01 PM
Any tips on what to eat before working out?

Day of or day before, or just tips in general

Not so much what but how.... I've been told something small before and absolutely nothing for at least an hour after. I don't know why the latter works but I've been doing that and it seems to.

Dude, that's just crazy. It's always a good idea to have a big shot of protein right after your workout (30m-1hr) to get your muscles rebuilding quickly.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on April 11, 2012, 05:06:33 PM
Any tips on what to eat before working out?

Day of or day before, or just tips in general

Not so much what but how.... I've been told something small before and absolutely nothing for at least an hour after. I don't know why the latter works but I've been doing that and it seems to.

Dude, that's just crazy. It's always a good idea to have a big shot of protein right after your workout (30m-1hr) to get your muscles rebuilding quickly.

Ya, I've always understood you want to have protein immediately after.

And as for what to eat before, I have whole wheat pasta before my races. Nothing heavy, a couple hours before.

If you're gonna exert yourself, do NOT eat anything too close to your workout. You WILL puke. I've done this enough times to know that it's completely 100% true.

Obviously a jog or something is no big deal, but depending on the level of exertion, it could get nasty.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 11, 2012, 05:30:35 PM
Any tips on what to eat before working out?

Day of or day before, or just tips in general

Not so much what but how.... I've been told something small before and absolutely nothing for at least an hour after. I don't know why the latter works but I've been doing that and it seems to.

Dude, that's just crazy. It's always a good idea to have a big shot of protein right after your workout (30m-1hr) to get your muscles rebuilding quickly.

Well, apparently it's factual so... Bullfrog just confirmed it. Now, proteins? That may be different but Carbs? Nope.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 11, 2012, 05:57:04 PM
Any tips on what to eat before working out?

Day of or day before, or just tips in general

Not so much what but how.... I've been told something small before and absolutely nothing for at least an hour after. I don't know why the latter works but I've been doing that and it seems to.

Dude, that's just crazy. It's always a good idea to have a big shot of protein right after your workout (30m-1hr) to get your muscles rebuilding quickly.

Well, apparently it's factual so... Bullfrog just confirmed it. Now, proteins? That may be different but Carbs? Nope.

Well you said "absolutely nothing." That's just plain wrong from everything that I've read - protein is essential right after working out - talking with Kinesiology majors and reading any literature on muscle growth has verified this for me.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 11, 2012, 08:24:09 PM
I always have a protien shake post workout combined with a banana and peanut butter. Then I'll have some solid food maybe 90 minutes later.

Before a hardcore workout I have  complex carbs 2 hours before. Sometimes I add a small piece of fruit right before the workout like a small apple or a nectarine.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 11, 2012, 08:36:05 PM

Well, apparently it's factual so... Bullfrog just confirmed it. Now, proteins? That may be different but Carbs? Nope.

And I'd just like to point out that I didn't confirm anything, just passed on information from another source.  8)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 12, 2012, 06:51:15 AM
I guess if you wait an hour to eat after working out completely that means you obviously aren't taking in any carbs either. If proteins don't hurt then all the power to you (perhaps I should look into the benefits) but I've been having my workout at around 9:30-10:30 and waiting 'till noon to eat. I've been seeing results.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on April 12, 2012, 07:55:55 AM
I guess if you wait an hour to eat after working out completely that means you obviously aren't taking in any carbs either. If proteins don't hurt then all the power to you (perhaps I should look into the benefits) but I've been having my workout at around 9:30-10:30 and waiting 'till noon to eat. I've been seeing results.

The answer depends on what your goals are for them Sarge, there is no blanked answer for everyone.

If you are trying to add muscle/bulk up then it's imperative you load up with protein as soon after your workout as possible.. 30 mins is usually the max.  If you wait an hour you are not going to see good results.

If you are trying to lose weight then I could see holding off eating for an hour being beneficial, although that's the first I've heard of it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 12, 2012, 08:16:13 AM

The answer depends on what your goals are for them Sarge, there is no blanked answer for everyone.

If you are trying to add muscle/bulk up then it's imperative you load up with protein as soon after your workout as possible.. 30 mins is usually the max.  If you wait an hour you are not going to see good results.

If you are trying to lose weight then I could see holding off eating for an hour being beneficial, although that's the first I've heard of it.

True enough. My routine is geared around general health and wellness and keeping in decent enough shape for a big run once a week. I just try to stay lean and don't lift a lick of weight.   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on April 12, 2012, 08:43:25 AM

The answer depends on what your goals are for them Sarge, there is no blanked answer for everyone.

If you are trying to add muscle/bulk up then it's imperative you load up with protein as soon after your workout as possible.. 30 mins is usually the max.  If you wait an hour you are not going to see good results.

If you are trying to lose weight then I could see holding off eating for an hour being beneficial, although that's the first I've heard of it.

True enough. My routine is geared around general health and wellness and keeping in decent enough shape for a big run once a week. I just try to stay lean and don't lift a lick of weight.   

Well I can't think it's very healthy to just not eat for an hour after any sort of significant workout. I'm not going by any medical journals, just from knowing my own body, but if I don't get something with electrolytes in my body (salt, potassium etc)...I feel like I'm in a very weakened state.

I guess it depends on the level of exertion again, but if I don't get something, ANYTHING in my stomach, driving home from the gym or the pool I'm lightheaded the entire way.

If you're sweating, you're losing a lot of water, and a lot of minerals. You should be looking to regain that stuff asap.

I get the carbs stuff, no carbs. But you gotta put something into your body or you'll pass out...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 12, 2012, 08:46:49 AM

True enough. My routine is geared around general health and wellness and keeping in decent enough shape for a big run once a week. I just try to stay lean and don't lift a lick of weight.   

Hello everyone, I've been following the site for a number of years, and posted a few times before the site went down. I do have a fair amount of knowledge in fitness and exercise, so just thought I could chime in.

I've had trouble finding evidence that suggests eating carbs after exercise is detrimental, aside from the Dr whose website was sourced, and I'm not sure how credible that website is.  For you, sarge, if your planning on doing a big run once a week I would think eating carbs within the first hour or so after exercise would be beneficial. Evidence suggests that there is a window following exercise where you can optimally replenish the sugar stores in your muscles. These energy stores are critical during exercise, especially for something like long distance running.

There is also evidence that eating carbs along with protein after working out can further stimulate the building of muscle tissue.

EDIT: I should add that in reality, if a certain thing works for you, and you feel the best when doing it then it's probably best to stick with it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 12, 2012, 08:58:34 AM
... don't get me started again on sugars.  ::) Anyway, I think I'll just lay of the carbs immediately after working out. This place isn't the first where I saw it could be bad. As far as eating protein immediately after, I'm sure it's fine but to be honest, I'm not exactly starving myself by waiting an hour to eat @ noon. I usually have some nuts and berries here at work to graze on during the course of the day and if the mood strikes, I'll eat a handful. No worries there. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on April 12, 2012, 09:03:45 AM
... don't get me started again on sugars.  ::) Anyway, I think I'll just lay of the carbs immediately after working out. This place isn't the first where I saw it could be bad. As far as eating protein immediately after, I'm sure it's fine but to be honest, I'm not exactly starving myself by waiting an hour to eat @ noon. I usually have some nuts and berries here at work to graze on during the course of the day and if the mood strikes, I'll eat a handful. No worries there.

If you're seeing results and it doesn't FEEL unhealthy, then it's definitely the right thing for you.

Different people, different plans right? If you're not lifting weights, the need for protein is much less.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 12, 2012, 09:35:28 AM
... don't get me started again on sugars.  ::) Anyway, I think I'll just lay of the carbs immediately after working out. This place isn't the first where I saw it could be bad. As far as eating protein immediately after, I'm sure it's fine but to be honest, I'm not exactly starving myself by waiting an hour to eat @ noon. I usually have some nuts and berries here at work to graze on during the course of the day and if the mood strikes, I'll eat a handful. No worries there.

If you're seeing results and it doesn't FEEL unhealthy, then it's definitely the right thing for you.

Different people, different plans right? If you're not lifting weights, the need for protein is much less.

I definitely agree.  Especially if you're exercising for general health and wellness, stick with what makes you feel the best. Everyone's body is different.

ps.  I wasn't trying to re-start a debate on sugars lol. My bad.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Manson on April 12, 2012, 09:36:55 AM

Hello everyone, I've been following the site for a number of years, and posted a few times before the site went down. I do have a fair amount of knowledge in fitness and exercise, so just thought I could chime in.

I've had trouble finding evidence that suggests eating carbs after exercise is detrimental, aside from the Dr whose website was sourced, and I'm not sure how credible that website is.  For you, sarge, if your planning on doing a big run once a week I would think eating carbs within the first hour or so after exercise would be beneficial. Evidence suggests that there is a window following exercise where you can optimally replenish the sugar stores in your muscles. These energy stores are critical during exercise, especially for something like long distance running.

There is also evidence that eating carbs along with protein after working out can further stimulate the building of muscle tissue.

EDIT: I should add that in reality, if a certain thing works for you, and you feel the best when doing it then it's probably best to stick with it.

Everyone please read this post as he is 100% correct.

This is the first place I've ever seen anyone suggest not eating after a workout.  Feeding your muscles post workout is Nutrition 101.  It doesn't get more basic. 

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 12, 2012, 09:58:45 AM
Okay, I've just returned from my workout... I had a good sweat and I'm not the slightest bit hungry. I'll probably have lunch in about an hour and a half. I feel great and this routine in conjunction with my big weekly run seems to be working for me - I just don't feel my body is screaming at me to take in nutrition right now. I don't know, like some of you have suggested, stick with what feels right - correct?   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 12, 2012, 10:32:31 AM
I'm confused here: If you're going for a big endurance run eventually, wouldn't you want some carbs in you for energy? I mean, athletes routinely eat pasta and whatnot before a big game for energy.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 12, 2012, 10:40:28 AM
I'm confused here: If you're going for a big endurance run eventually, wouldn't you want some carbs in you for energy? I mean, athletes routinely eat pasta and whatnot before a big game for energy.

You're right. For optimal performance, it's important to eat carbs, something like whole wheat pasta, before heavy endurance exercise.  Not immediately before, but probably around 2 hours or more before the exercise. This is because, as I mentioned before, it's important to have carbs available to be stored within your muscles.  These energy stores are crucial during endurance exercise. It's also possible to super-saturate these stores before a big race or event, but that's not really important for general exercise.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 12, 2012, 10:53:29 AM
I'm confused here: If you're going for a big endurance run eventually, wouldn't you want some carbs in you for energy? I mean, athletes routinely eat pasta and whatnot before a big game for energy.

Sorry. I used to run a few time a week. Now that I've learned about the benefits of surge training, I do that 2-3 times per week and only go for  nice long run once a week. My surge training consists of mostly stationary biking and sit-ups. - Basically anything that gets my heart rate up.  I've actually found that surge training + running has actually been more beneficial to me than just running.

Basically, for the purposes of when/what to eat post work-out, I'm just talking about my surge training. When I train between breakfast and lunch, I really have no desire to eat until lunch. - Especially since I heard the carbs were bad after doing so. Now, in terms of my big weekly run, I really haven't thought about what/when to eat after doing that. If you have any suggestions to the end, I'd be interested in hearing them...   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Erndog on April 12, 2012, 11:03:25 AM
There is also evidence that eating carbs along with protein after working out can further stimulate the building of muscle tissue.

Absolutely.  A few years ago when I was seriously training/working out every day I always had a protein shake mixed with some carbs (typically fruit) after a workout.  Nothing huge, but like an apple and a shake and I found that I felt great, and it did promote muscle growth (I wasn't doing it at first, started after 4-5 months and noticed a huge difference quickly).

Who knows though, Im sure everyones a little different but I'm a big believe that protein/carbs after a workout really replinishes what you've lost and promotes muscle growth (if that is what you are aiming for).
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 12, 2012, 02:55:04 PM
There is also evidence that eating carbs along with protein after working out can further stimulate the building of muscle tissue.

Absolutely.  A few years ago when I was seriously training/working out every day I always had a protein shake mixed with some carbs (typically fruit) after a workout.  Nothing huge, but like an apple and a shake and I found that I felt great, and it did promote muscle growth (I wasn't doing it at first, started after 4-5 months and noticed a huge difference quickly).

Who knows though, Im sure everyones a little different but I'm a big believe that protein/carbs after a workout really replinishes what you've lost and promotes muscle growth (if that is what you are aiming for).

I think there's absolutely no reason to treat carbs as if they're some kind of health menace, it's what kind of carbs and how much you eat and as long as you burn it off before it gets stored as fat then you're golden.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Manson on April 12, 2012, 03:10:50 PM
I think there's absolutely no reason to treat carbs as if they're some kind of health menace, it's what kind of carbs and how much you eat and as long as you burn it off before it gets stored as fat then you're golden.

Well said.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: ThatLeafsFan on April 14, 2012, 04:51:15 AM
I've lost about 20lbs over the last 5 months, I haven't really changed that much in my life except being out of the north for training for my job. I am more active when I am not stuck up north and tend to eat better as well, never thought that'd be enough of a change to drop that much weight.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 15, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
I've lost about 20lbs over the last 5 months, I haven't really changed that much in my life except being out of the north for training for my job. I am more active when I am not stuck up north and tend to eat better as well, never thought that'd be enough of a change to drop that much weight.

That's an average of a pound a week. Just a little change can add up over time.

 This was a problem for me when I was gaining weight. Just gaining a pound in a week is no big deal but Living that way for years will obviously cause many problems.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 11:14:46 AM
I'm down to 165 lbs! I don't think I've weighed that since grade 11, like 23 years ago! Like I've said here, I don't lift weights. Just run and surge train which includes sit-ups but I still have this wee gut that I'd like to trim off a bit. Can anyone recommend anything other than sit-ups and general cardio for that?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 20, 2012, 11:51:14 AM
First off, stop with the sit ups. They'll just make make your ab muscles bigger!  :) (kinda true, but I'm joking, don't stop.)

Start lifting weights. The added muscle will burn more calories.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 12:02:15 PM
First off, stop with the sit ups. They'll just make make your ab muscles bigger!  :) (kinda true, but I'm joking, don't stop.)

Start lifting weights. The added muscle will burn more calories.

I don't want to add weight. Now that I'm at a weight that I'd like, I'd just like to kind of stay there. I kind like myself lean and I'm not really concerned how big my arms or legs are. The only thing I'd obviously like to build upon is my endurance but if I can, I'd just like a flatter tummy too. I know I've lost a bunch of bulk there but it seems the lion's share is off the sides.  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 20, 2012, 01:37:14 PM
Why are you concerned about your weight? Adding muscle will only improve your health. You won't get big like Odin unless you start consuming whole, live chickens for breakfast and lifting for four hours a day.

Weights should definitely be a part of your fitness regime.

Just my opinion.

Congrats on the success by the way.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Erndog on April 20, 2012, 01:46:59 PM
I'm down to 165 lbs! I don't think I've weighed that since grade 11, like 23 years ago! Like I've said here, I don't lift weights. Just run and surge train which includes sit-ups but I still have this wee gut that I'd like to trim off a bit. Can anyone recommend anything other than sit-ups and general cardio for that?

Congrulations!  Thats great.  What did you start at?  And how long ago?

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 01:47:42 PM
Why are you concerned about your weight? Adding muscle will only improve your health. You won't get big like Odin unless you start consuming whole, live chickens for breakfast and lifting for four hours a day.

Weights should definitely be a part of your fitness regime.

Just my opinion.

Congrats on the success by the way.

I'm afraid mass will hurt my running - which isn't great in the first place. I don't know, I look at the runners ahead of me and they're all rather lean.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
I'm down to 165 lbs! I don't think I've weighed that since grade 11, like 23 years ago! Like I've said here, I don't lift weights. Just run and surge train which includes sit-ups but I still have this wee gut that I'd like to trim off a bit. Can anyone recommend anything other than sit-ups and general cardio for that?

Congrulations!  Thats great.  What did you start at?  And how long ago?

Thanks. 2.5 years ago I smoked and weighed ~ 190. I quit smoking and decided to shape up. I've been ~ 170 for a while now (maybe 9-12 months?) and was happy with that but I really think it watching the sugar intake that took the extra 5/10 lbs off.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on April 20, 2012, 01:52:57 PM
It takes a long time to put on lean muscle mass, won't hurt you at all to lift some weights and they'll burn more calories while you're at it.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Erndog on April 20, 2012, 01:54:18 PM
I'm down to 165 lbs! I don't think I've weighed that since grade 11, like 23 years ago! Like I've said here, I don't lift weights. Just run and surge train which includes sit-ups but I still have this wee gut that I'd like to trim off a bit. Can anyone recommend anything other than sit-ups and general cardio for that?

Congrulations!  Thats great.  What did you start at?  And how long ago?

Thanks. 2.5 years ago I smoked and weighed ~ 190. I quit smoking and decided to shape up. I've been ~ 170 for a while now (maybe 9-12 months?) and was happy with that but I really think it watching the sugar intake that took the extra 5/10 lbs off.

Yeah eh?  I dont have much sugar but I've been meaning to try and cut it out of my coffee altogether (I usually have 1 & 1/2 in my coffee every morning).  I dont eat many sweets though.  Still, you've given me a bit of inspriration to try my coffee black.  It will add it thats for sure.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on April 20, 2012, 01:58:31 PM
It took me a few days to get used to it but I haven't had milk or sugar in my coffee or tea in a long time, can't stand it now.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 02:02:38 PM
I'm down to 165 lbs! I don't think I've weighed that since grade 11, like 23 years ago! Like I've said here, I don't lift weights. Just run and surge train which includes sit-ups but I still have this wee gut that I'd like to trim off a bit. Can anyone recommend anything other than sit-ups and general cardio for that?

Congrulations!  Thats great.  What did you start at?  And how long ago?

Thanks. 2.5 years ago I smoked and weighed ~ 190. I quit smoking and decided to shape up. I've been ~ 170 for a while now (maybe 9-12 months?) and was happy with that but I really think it watching the sugar intake that took the extra 5/10 lbs off.

Yeah eh?  I dont have much sugar but I've been meaning to try and cut it out of my coffee altogether (I usually have 1 & 1/2 in my coffee every morning).  I dont eat many sweets though.  Still, you've given me a bit of inspriration to try my coffee black.  It will add it thats for sure.

Yeah. - and I haven't gone all crazy with it either. No sugar in my coffee. I usually take it black but when I crave something sweet in the morning, I sometimes put almond or rice milk flavoured with vanilla in my coffee - It's quite good.  I might have a dessert once or twice a week (I had a chocolate sunday last night - a small one.) When I shop and given the choice of two brands, I take the one with the least amount of sugar. - That sort of thing. I can't avoid it all together but I really credit making a reasonable effort to cut a lot of it out to my weight loss. - Imagine if I made more of an effort!   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Erndog on April 20, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
It took me a few days to get used to it but I haven't had milk or sugar in my coffee or tea in a long time, can't stand it now.

I'm going to try it.  I know I will hate it at first but it will just take some time.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 02:13:35 PM
Oh, and I forgot to add. - No pop whatsoever. I'd say 90% or more of what I drink is just plain old water. The rest is either wine or beer or something else when the mood strikes. Ordering just water at restaurants works nice too.... Usually means I can go for a more fancy/spendy entree.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on April 20, 2012, 02:35:54 PM
Pop and beer gets me sometimes, superfluous calories for sure.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 02:44:17 PM
Pop and beer gets me sometimes, superfluous calories for sure.

The largest portion of the average North American's sugar intake comes from pop. 20% I think the figure is? Just cut it out all together. Like I said, I'd rather drink water and eat better. - Put your pop money towards your beer.  ;)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 20, 2012, 03:14:25 PM
Why are you concerned about your weight? Adding muscle will only improve your health. You won't get big like Odin unless you start consuming whole, live chickens for breakfast and lifting for four hours a day.

Weights should definitely be a part of your fitness regime.

Just my opinion.

Congrats on the success by the way.

I'm afraid mass will hurt my running - which isn't great in the first place. I don't know, I look at the runners ahead of me and they're all rather lean.

Weight training or resistance training wont always result in adding size.  You could train with more focus on improving muscular endurance, which could help with running. This can be done by doing exercises with lighter weight and more reps. So aim for about 15 reps per set of each exercise. You could also do circuit training. So choose a number of exercises that cover all the major muscle groups, do one set of each with little to no rest in between.  Then take a short break and repeat it once or twice.  This also add a cardio challenge to weight training , which I always like.  I've recently started doing this and I've really enjoyed it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 20, 2012, 03:19:20 PM
Thanks, I'll consider that... Now, what about this (almost) 40 year-old gut? Just more of the same over time?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 20, 2012, 04:00:24 PM
Thanks, I'll consider that... Now, what about this (almost) 40 year-old gut? Just more of the same over time?

Well, adding different kinds of exercises to your routine could lead to burning more calories over time, which would help with fat loss.  And exercise variation is always important. There's really no way to target specific areas when it comes to fat loss.  Working the core will help tone the muscles, which is good of course, but fat loss is all about calories in vs. calories out.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 20, 2012, 04:23:19 PM
Anyone a fan of CrossFit?

I have a friend who's just become an instructor who is trying to get me into it.  I think I'd be best trying to do the exercise equivalent of crawling before I sprint though.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 20, 2012, 05:57:07 PM
I usually just drink Coke Zero so it's ok - I try not to drink it too much.

Doing full body workouts for now before moving on to specific muscle groups just so I can gain some general strength everywhere before moving on. Doing 20mins on elliptical 40m on the weights.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 21, 2012, 03:33:35 AM
Why are you concerned about your weight? Adding muscle will only improve your health. You won't get big like Odin unless you start consuming whole, live chickens for breakfast and lifting for four hours a day.

Weights should definitely be a part of your fitness regime.

Just my opinion.

Congrats on the success by the way.

Big like Odin! Hey I only weigh 185 pounds. At one point I was over 315 pounds, now that was a big Odin.

I spend 9 to 10 hours a week in the gym but only 3 of those hours are spent lifting weights.

Want to trim down your midsection? Try working with a heavy bag. Punching and kicking with the proper technique will do amazing things for your core while also being a great cardio workout.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on April 21, 2012, 08:27:42 AM
Big like Odin! Hey I only weigh 185 pounds. At one point I was over 315 pounds, now that was a big Odin.

hehe. I only meant 'muscular.' :) I find it funny that's what you commented on, but don't refute the live chicken part.  :P
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 21, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
Why are you concerned about your weight? Adding muscle will only improve your health. You won't get big like Odin unless you start consuming whole, live chickens for breakfast and lifting for four hours a day.

Weights should definitely be a part of your fitness regime.

Just my opinion.

Congrats on the success by the way.

Big like Odin! Hey I only weigh 185 pounds. At one point I was over 315 pounds, now that was a big Odin.

I spend 9 to 10 hours a week in the gym but only 3 of those hours are spent lifting weights.

Want to trim down your midsection? Try working with a heavy bag. Punching and kicking with the proper technique will do amazing things for your core while also being a great cardio workout.

Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, there's no bag at the gym. I just use the cheap (free) and cheerful one at work. Besides, I wouldn't know what the proper technique is. Congrats on your success BTW!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 21, 2012, 09:09:40 AM
Big like Odin! Hey I only weigh 185 pounds. At one point I was over 315 pounds, now that was a big Odin.

hehe. I only meant 'muscular.' :) I find it funny that's what you commented on, but don't refute the live chicken part.  :P

I didn't refute that part. I eat like an animal....the feathers do get annoying.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on April 24, 2012, 05:06:56 PM
I have a high school reunion in 46 days.  I weigh 342.  Yes, you read that correct.

Think I can drop upwards of 20 lbs?  5 small meals daily of lots of protein and lean carbs.  At least an hour on the treadmill daily.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on April 24, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
For poops and giggles, do you think you can go 46 days with little to no sugar? I'm really interested to see what results we'd see in you case.

Also, look into surge training. 20 minutes of that can better than an hour on the treadmill.

Edit: - and that's 20 minutes every other day!     
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 24, 2012, 08:29:17 PM
I have a high school reunion in 46 days.  I weigh 342.  Yes, you read that correct.

Think I can drop upwards of 20 lbs?  5 small meals daily of lots of protein and lean carbs.  At least an hour on the treadmill daily.

Thoughts?

A realistic goal is usually around 2 lbs. per week.  But it is possible to lose more, it just takes a lot of work and determination, which I'm sure you have. Are you on the treadmill daily right now?  One suggestion I would have is that if possible (if you have access to other options), it can be beneficial to do different things each day, or switch to something different every few days for a session or more.  But any exercise is good of course and burns calories, which is the main goal.  A reason to vary it is that your body will naturally become more efficient at performing a given exercise, like walking or jogging, and therefore burn less calories in the same amount of exercise time. Varying your exercise can help keep this from happening and help to burn more calories in the end.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on April 25, 2012, 08:44:26 AM
I have a high school reunion in 46 days.  I weigh 342.  Yes, you read that correct.

Think I can drop upwards of 20 lbs?  5 small meals daily of lots of protein and lean carbs.  At least an hour on the treadmill daily.

Thoughts?

A realistic goal is usually around 2 lbs. per week.  But it is possible to lose more, it just takes a lot of work and determination, which I'm sure you have. Are you on the treadmill daily right now?  One suggestion I would have is that if possible (if you have access to other options), it can be beneficial to do different things each day, or switch to something different every few days for a session or more.  But any exercise is good of course and burns calories, which is the main goal.  A reason to vary it is that your body will naturally become more efficient at performing a given exercise, like walking or jogging, and therefore burn less calories in the same amount of exercise time. Varying your exercise can help keep this from happening and help to burn more calories in the end.

My doctor tells me that for bigger guys (340lbs), it's safe to lose 3.4 lbs weekly.

I've got a good treadmill and a great mountain bike that I can alternate workouts with.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 26, 2012, 06:29:28 AM
I have a high school reunion in 46 days.  I weigh 342.  Yes, you read that correct.

Think I can drop upwards of 20 lbs?  5 small meals daily of lots of protein and lean carbs.  At least an hour on the treadmill daily.

Thoughts?

Totally possible Rick.

Pass on the carbs for the last two meals of your day unless you will be working out later that day.

No matter what happens during this mini goal have another mini goal set up to start the moment the reunion is over. Something like 8 pounds in the next month and every month after that for the rest of the year.

You can do it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on April 26, 2012, 07:55:46 AM
My doctor tells me that for bigger guys (340lbs), it's safe to lose 3.4 lbs weekly.

I've got a good treadmill and a great mountain bike that I can alternate workouts with.

It's totally possible Rick - last year I lost 20 lbs in my first 47 days of dieting and working out and I was starting at a weigh of 216. You just have to be totally committed to sticking to the diet and exercising regularly. Even if you are hurting a bit, remember that even just walking can be a great way to burn extra calories.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 27, 2012, 05:18:33 PM
So I've got a few questions here: I'm looking to switch up my full body workout routine. I'm going until failure but I don't see many gains after a few weeks. I don't even feel sore the next day, so I don't really think my muscles are being broken down much.

I was talking to the Goodlife rep and he said splits and more isolated exercises would help, so I did some digging and found this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ryan-hughes-muscle-building-program.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ultimate-8-week-hiit-for-fat-burning-program.html

On one hand we have a HST method: I definitely don't need all those calories as I'm not a tall guy (5'5") but I think the regimen is sound, lots of focus on certain days and it seems to me like it targets each area.

I also want to get started on HIITS, as it burns more in less time AFAIK as well increases anaroebic strength.

Can anyone more experience have a look over and let me know?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on April 28, 2012, 08:22:09 PM
I'm starting up a diet/exercise routine again for the summer.  Last time I tried I ended up ten pounds heavier than when I started after losing fifteen.  I feel like I'm being naive in thinking I can do it.  I need to get in shape because I'm going for bronze medallion next saturday and the saturday after. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 28, 2012, 10:21:15 PM
So I've got a few questions here: I'm looking to switch up my full body workout routine. I'm going until failure but I don't see many gains after a few weeks. I don't even feel sore the next day, so I don't really think my muscles are being broken down much.

I was talking to the Goodlife rep and he said splits and more isolated exercises would help, so I did some digging and found this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ryan-hughes-muscle-building-program.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ultimate-8-week-hiit-for-fat-burning-program.html

On one hand we have a HST method: I definitely don't need all those calories as I'm not a tall guy (5'5") but I think the regimen is sound, lots of focus on certain days and it seems to me like it targets each area.

I also want to get started on HIITS, as it burns more in less time AFAIK as well increases anaroebic strength.

Can anyone more experience have a look over and let me know?

What are your goals?

If you've only been doing a full body program, it would definitely be good to switch it up. Doing a split program would be beneficial, and it does allow you to isolate specific muscle groups more during an individual session.  The splits that the guy has on that website work, or you could even do it a little less specific.  And ya, the guys diet is crazy. A ton of supplements and things. It would cost a fortune to replicate that lol.

My suggestion would be to switch between a split body routine and a full body routine.  Staying with each routine for no more than about three weeks. Switching it up every few weeks will help to prevent you from plateauing and you'll constantly give your body a different stimulus.

HIIT is a great alternative to normal aerobic exercise.  Its faster and can increase both anaerobic and aerobic fitness. Have you tried it before? I've learned a lot about it but I only have a little bit of experience doing it. It a really intense workout. You can work it in along with some regular steady state aerobic exercise, or just do HIIT sessions 2 or 3 times per week.
Title: Re: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 28, 2012, 10:41:49 PM
So I've got a few questions here: I'm looking to switch up my full body workout routine. I'm going until failure but I don't see many gains after a few weeks. I don't even feel sore the next day, so I don't really think my muscles are being broken down much.

I was talking to the Goodlife rep and he said splits and more isolated exercises would help, so I did some digging and found this:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ryan-hughes-muscle-building-program.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ultimate-8-week-hiit-for-fat-burning-program.html

On one hand we have a HST method: I definitely don't need all those calories as I'm not a tall guy (5'5") but I think the regimen is sound, lots of focus on certain days and it seems to me like it targets each area.

I also want to get started on HIITS, as it burns more in less time AFAIK as well increases anaroebic strength.

Can anyone more experience have a look over and let me know?

What are your goals?

If you've only been doing a full body program, it would definitely be good to switch it up. Doing a split program would be beneficial, and it does allow you to isolate specific muscle groups more during an individual session.  The splits that the guy has on that website work, or you could even do it a little less specific.  And ya, the guys diet is crazy. A ton of supplements and things. It would cost a fortune to replicate that lol.

My suggestion would be to switch between a split body routine and a full body routine.  Staying with each routine for no more than about three weeks. Switching it up every few weeks will help to prevent you from plateauing and you'll constantly give your body a different stimulus.

HIIT is a great alternative to normal aerobic exercise.  Its faster and can increase both anaerobic and aerobic fitness. Have you tried it before? I've learned a lot about it but I only have a little bit of experience doing it. It a really intense workout. You can work it in along with some regular steady state aerobic exercise, or just do HIIT sessions 2 or 3 times per week.

My goal is to lower body fat percentage and put on some muscle. Not a crazy amount but enough to look like I've got some strength to back it up. I've done hiits twice so far. 15s on 45s off for 10 minutes to start off along with 10m of decent aerobic before hand (140bps heart rate or so).

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Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on April 28, 2012, 11:38:43 PM
I think I've found something a little bit better since I'm not looking to be a professional body builder, but I am looking to gain muscle mass and strength.

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/power-muscle-burn-5-day-powerbuilding-split.html

This looks to me like there's quite a few compound exercises (which the Goodlife rep said was probably my best bet since I'm not a body builder, less on isolation) and also includes some power sets to add more muscle. One thing I'm unsure about for sure is how much I should eat though. I'm sure you can cut fat and build muscle at the same time, I think it's a myth that you can't (incorporate HIITS?), but I definitely don't want to do the whole "bulking" thing. The guys can probably move the most weight but they aren't defined at all, just big oxen looking dudes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on April 29, 2012, 12:27:03 AM
I think I've found something a little bit better since I'm not looking to be a professional body builder, but I am looking to gain muscle mass and strength.

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/power-muscle-burn-5-day-powerbuilding-split.html

This looks to me like there's quite a few compound exercises (which the Goodlife rep said was probably my best bet since I'm not a body builder, less on isolation) and also includes some power sets to add more muscle. One thing I'm unsure about for sure is how much I should eat though. I'm sure you can cut fat and build muscle at the same time, I think it's a myth that you can't (incorporate HIITS?), but I definitely don't want to do the whole "bulking" thing. The guys can probably move the most weight but they aren't defined at all, just big oxen looking dudes.

This program looks a lot better. Its interesting.  Seems to try to put a little bit of everything into each sessions. Some strength, then hypertrophy (building mass) and some endurance. 

In terms of how much to eat, I'm not really an expert.  I wouldn't suggest going crazy with calories like the last website had. I would suggest consuming protein after each session, whether that's in the form of a shake, chocolate milk or a meal. If possible, I'd say have 15 - 20g of protein asap after working out and then another 15 - 20g about an hour afterwards. Having carbs with this protein can also be beneficial.  other than that, if it was me I'd just try to keep a balanced diet.

I'm not positive, but I wouldn't say its impossible to build muscle while losing fat. I don't think you'll build as much muscle as possible, but you should still be able to build.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on May 02, 2012, 11:32:49 PM
Well, I've been going hard to the gym for the last few weeks and I've already noticed a difference! Not too much on the body just yet, but quite a bit on the face.

April 7, 2012 (Already working out for a week or so here)
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April 29, 2012
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Hopefully some body results will come soon too.


Any nutrition advice, Odin? I've been eating pretty much lean meat like Pork Chops or Chicken Breast, some veg and some brown rice for quite a lot of my meals, trying to eat 4 meals a day, usually taking a post-workout protein shake as well (40g Protein).
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on May 03, 2012, 01:09:03 PM
Hey Bender,

Make sure every meal contains 25 to 40 grams of protien. Eat every 3 hours. Don't skip meals.

Chicken breasts, egg whites, tuna, fresh fish, shrimp, scallops, lean red meat sparingly are good protien sources.  Have you tried Greek yogurt? The fat free plain by presidents choice has a whopping 18 grams of protien and it's really creamy. Fantastic for a snack or as part of your meal.

Add vegetables every where you can. Use spinach in sandwiches and wraps instead of regular lettuce. Roasted sweet peppers go great in a Sammy too or as part of a morning omelette. The more colorful the better. Experiment.

Always have your post workout protein shake( the sooner the better), don't eat 4 hours before going to bed but right before bed have a protein shake.

Don't be scared about bulking up.  It just won't happen overnight or accidentally. If you feel that a certain body part is as big as you want it to be then you simply don't increase the weights or repetitions for that body part. I have large arms and I didn't want them to get any bigger, so for the last three years my bicep and tricep routine has remained almost completely unchanged. I'm not pushing more weight, or doing more reps or challenging my arms so there's no need for my body to grow bigger arms. All I'm doing is maintaining what I've got.

Train hard.

Try to get 8 hous of sleep per night.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on May 03, 2012, 01:26:09 PM
Hey Bender,

Make sure every meal contains 25 to 40 grams of protien. Eat every 3 hours. Don't skip meals.

Chicken breasts, egg whites, tuna, fresh fish, shrimp, scallops, lean red meat sparingly are good protien sources.  Have you tried Greek yogurt? The fat free plain by presidents choice has a whopping 18 grams of protien and it's really creamy. Fantastic for a snack or as part of your meal.

Add vegetables every where you can. Use spinach in sandwiches and wraps instead of regular lettuce. Roasted sweet peppers go great in a Sammy too or as part of a morning omelette. The more colorful the better. Experiment.

Always have your post workout protein shake( the sooner the better), don't eat 4 hours before going to bed but right before bed have a protein shake.

Don't be scared about bulking up.  It just won't happen overnight or accidentally. If you feel that a certain body part is as big as you want it to be then you simply don't increase the weights or repetitions for that body part. I have large arms and I didn't want them to get any bigger, so for the last three years my bicep and tricep routine has remained almost completely unchanged. I'm not pushing more weight, or doing more reps or challenging my arms so there's no need for my body to grow bigger arms. All I'm doing is maintaining what I've got.

Train hard.

Try to get 8 hous of sleep per night.

Ok, great, thanks. Basically you're saying eat about 5 small meals a day and include a ton of protein, try to stay low on calories and fat. I usually stay away from lettuce unless it's Romaine. I also like Arugula. Spinach can be a bit rough to down raw sometimes. I'm a fan of all the lean meats, pork loin is pretty good AFAIK as well. Is there anything I should be aware of when purchasing a protein supplement, other than it needs to be high in protein, low in calories/sugars? There's just so many options out there it can get really confusing.

I'm also on this training schedule: started it earlier this week. How does it look? Would it make sense to switch it after about 4 weeks?

http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/daves-upper-lower-split.html

I read that doing an upper/lower split makes sense because that way you dont overtrain (compound exercises can push it over) and also allows you to work the same muscle group more than once a week.

I'm following it up with 10mins of mid intensity cardio and 10mins of HIITS.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on May 19, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
Almost at week 3 of my new diet plan, been hitting the treadmill every day. Week 1 I lost 4 pounds week 2 I lost 2.6 pounds, really anxious about weighing myself tomorrow for the results of week 3.  Hopefully they are good. My goal is to get under 210 tomorrow right now I'm 212.4
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on May 21, 2012, 08:53:15 PM
Almost at week 3 of my new diet plan, been hitting the treadmill every day. Week 1 I lost 4 pounds week 2 I lost 2.6 pounds, really anxious about weighing myself tomorrow for the results of week 3.  Hopefully they are good. My goal is to get under 210 tomorrow right now I'm 212.4

How did it go?  I'm starting back at it tomorrow - Tuesday morning.
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on May 23, 2012, 06:54:06 PM
I forgot to mention that I ran my 2nd ever race - the Goodlife Toronto Marathon (the 5K race, not the marathon!) back on May 6th.

I wasn't particularly happy with my time - 25:13 (24:53 chip time). I've been much faster in training. But once again I was hurt by having my sciatic problems return.

Anyway, my time was still good enough for 97th out of 2,538 runners and 3rd in my age group out of 52 - so I guess I can still be proud of that.

I have one more race to go this year - the 5k at the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon in October.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on May 23, 2012, 07:28:31 PM
Wow! That's excellent, dude!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: BMan on May 23, 2012, 08:39:37 PM
I forgot to mention that I ran my 2nd ever race - the Goodlife Toronto Marathon (the 5K race, not the marathon!) back on May 6th.

I wasn't particularly happy with my time - 25:13 (24:53 chip time). I've been much faster in training. But once again I was hurt by having my sciatic problems return.

Anyway, my time was still good enough for 97th out of 2,538 runners and 3rd in my age group out of 52 - so I guess I can still be proud of that.

I have one more race to go this year - the 5k at the Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon in October.

25 minutes man? Sounds like you killed it..you should be proud..the best I ever did at 5k was 34 minutes. It's lousy about the Plantar though.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on May 28, 2012, 11:16:37 PM
I'm definitely not a fast runner. 5k for me is somewhere in the 35 minute range.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on May 29, 2012, 10:27:26 AM
In January the largest set of push-ups I could do was like 3, now I can do 20+ in a row.

I'm down a couple belt notches, I'm comfortably fitting into suits I bought 10 years ago and I feel expotentially stronger. I'm looking forward to seeing how this helps my hockey playing this fall.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bleeding Blue & White on May 30, 2012, 05:35:40 AM
Almost at week 3 of my new diet plan, been hitting the treadmill every day. Week 1 I lost 4 pounds week 2 I lost 2.6 pounds, really anxious about weighing myself tomorrow for the results of week 3.  Hopefully they are good. My goal is to get under 210 tomorrow right now I'm 212.4

Went down to 211.2 but then went back up to 212.2 :(

How did it go?  I'm starting back at it tomorrow - Tuesday morning.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on May 30, 2012, 04:12:17 PM
In January the largest set of push-ups I could do was like 3, now I can do 20+ in a row.

I'm down a couple belt notches, I'm comfortably fitting into suits I bought 10 years ago and I feel expotentially stronger. I'm looking forward to seeing how this helps my hockey playing this fall.

Excellent non scale victories Deebo!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Strangelove on May 31, 2012, 12:18:52 PM
Anyone planning to run the fall marathon in Toronto?  I did my first ever half marathon at the Goodlife one a month ago (didn't train properly, so I was pretty happy after pulling off a 1:41) and I've kept up my longer distance running since.

I'm also looking at doing this one - http://www.amidsummernightsrun.ca/ (http://www.amidsummernightsrun.ca/).  It's shorter distance and in the middle of the night, so it should be fun.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on May 31, 2012, 12:21:37 PM
Nope, and good for you, man. - I'm still trying to work up to the half.  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Strangelove on May 31, 2012, 12:30:46 PM
Nope, and good for you, man. - I'm still trying to work up to the half.  :-\

Thanks.  Yeah it's a process.  I'd been running regularly for well over a year beforehand, but my problem was that I was used to doing 5k sprints (sometimes going as far as 10k but never more than that).  Jumping up to 21k was a huge shock to my system and I hit a pretty hard wall about two-thirds of the way through before forcing myself on.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on May 31, 2012, 04:01:44 PM
In January the largest set of push-ups I could do was like 3, now I can do 20+ in a row.

I'm down a couple belt notches, I'm comfortably fitting into suits I bought 10 years ago and I feel expotentially stronger. I'm looking forward to seeing how this helps my hockey playing this fall.

Yeah, I'd have to say I'm on a similar path. Man I was so out of shape I could only do the girl style push ups LOL. I haven't done pushups at all since I started working out so I didn't know what I could do. Just for fun I rolled off 10 in a row without really sweating it. I was actually very surprised!

I don't feel like I'm making super fact progress in the weight room, I've been stuck at the same weight for a while, but testing against pushups it goes to show that something has definitely been shaping up!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 01, 2012, 01:30:19 AM
What's in your juice?...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2012/05/31/tropicana-orange-lawsuit.html
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on June 01, 2012, 02:42:50 PM
In January the largest set of push-ups I could do was like 3, now I can do 20+ in a row.

I'm down a couple belt notches, I'm comfortably fitting into suits I bought 10 years ago and I feel expotentially stronger. I'm looking forward to seeing how this helps my hockey playing this fall.

Yeah, I'd have to say I'm on a similar path. Man I was so out of shape I could only do the girl style push ups LOL. I haven't done pushups at all since I started working out so I didn't know what I could do. Just for fun I rolled off 10 in a row without really sweating it. I was actually very surprised!

I don't feel like I'm making super fact progress in the weight room, I've been stuck at the same weight for a while, but testing against pushups it goes to show that something has definitely been shaping up!

About 6 or 7 years ago when I first started trying to get back into shape I remembering doing 2 pushups as a super set... Then on the next super set I did 1 push up. That was with a trainer guy from the gym doing a physical assessment on me since I was a new member at the gym. 3 whole push ups in 2 sets...

Today, on chest day, I super set 6 sets of 20 push ups. 3 to 120 is a slight improvement.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on June 02, 2012, 09:04:14 AM
I've blown out my shoulder since Tuesday. Really pissed off. My buddy was showing me some new types of push ups I wasn't too keen on. One was basically an over the head style with your hands close together. I gave it a shot, but it was an akward movement. I woke up Tuesday morning with a blown shoulder and its still in pain, without much help.

It feels like there's a constant needle in the top part of my shoulder, and it extending it over 90 degrees becomes painful, same with sleeping on that side. Super annoying because I've put my weight training on hold since then.

Thats the last time I do a stupid weird move that doesn't align with my body.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on June 05, 2012, 10:48:56 PM
Crappy to hear Bender.  The most basic moves are usually the best.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on June 06, 2012, 03:02:50 AM
Actually, the funny thing is it felt absolutely terrible up until Sunday. I noticed it got a bit better on Monday and Tuesday the pain is practically gone. I really can't explain it, but its like it cleared up overnight somehow.

On another note, I'm looking into taking a martial arts/self defense class. Another aspect of my life I feel like I want to get a handle on. I had a drop in Wing Chun class the afternoon and damn, I didn't know how interesting the concepts actually are! Everything is based on physics, geometry and economy of movement. Some of the ideas and reasons behind the different movements make a lot of sense and have already got me looking into the human body in ways I didn't think of before.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 11, 2012, 04:26:51 AM
Good article that clears the confusion over the proper consumption amount of fruit and vegetables...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=14049&Section=Nutrition
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 17, 2012, 08:19:43 PM
Anyone else been diagnosed with high blood pressure?  :-\ Any tips on bringing it down... other than eliminating stress?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on July 17, 2012, 08:27:30 PM
Anyone else been diagnosed with high blood pressure?  :-\ Any tips on bringing it down... other than eliminating stress?

How high are we talking?  And how long have you had it (either diagnosed or aware of it).  Are you symptomatic or is it something that you picked up as a reading a few times at the Doctors office?

How was it diagnosed.  I'm not a huge fan of attributing everything to white coat, but "real" hypertension really needs to be assessed either by ambulatory blood pressure in the office (the tower cuff that someone puts on you and then leaves you alone for a minute or two) or at least frequent home checks to see where your blood pressure lies.

Stress is a big thing to lower your blood pressure.  Salt reduction will reduce the raw numbers of your pressures but it won't actually improve your long-term health.
Regular exercise can help lower it, but even if it doesn't, it will improve your cardiac performance and will provide a benefit to your cardiovascular health.
Weight loss particularly in the waist area is better than just a raw loss of weight.
Cutting down on alcohol consumption can lower your blood pressure.

Smoking is another one that can lower your blood pressure.  Although I actually caution a little bit with this one.  If you smoke during stressful situations, trying to quit will probably make your stress level worse and thus can actually make your BP spikes worse.    SLLOOOOWWW reductions in smoking are probably the way to go in this way.  Buy a tin and stick your daily quota of cigarettes in it and slowly over periods of weeks reduce the daily quantity by 1-2 cigarettes to lessen the withdrawal cravings and thus the increased stress.

Obviously if things aren't working to bring it down there are always medications to help with it.  Where they become important is if lifestyle changes aren't bringing down your blood pressure or if you are feeling symptomatic. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 17, 2012, 08:53:18 PM
148/84 (or 86) at rest I can't remember... I've been getting some headaches post (and during) workouts which eventually got me in to see a doctor. I exercise regularly, eat fairly well (I don't use much salt.) I believe it's just bad DNA (runs in the family) but it's concerning because as I said, I've been taking pretty good care of myself over the last three (or so) years. - I also quit smoking about three years ago too and I feel quite good but apparently, I'm not all that good (there's some other stuff I also don't want to get in to.)

Anyway, I'm going in for an ECG next week and have been told to get a blood pressure monitor and track it. I don't want to go on meds (I don't know if I need to yet.) I was just looking for some more natural tips... Thanks for the ones you've given me. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on July 17, 2012, 09:03:37 PM
148/84 (or 86) at rest I can't remember... I've been getting some headaches post (and during) workouts which eventually got me in to see a doctor. I exercise regularly, eat fairly well (I don't use much salt.) I believe it's just bad DNA (runs in the family) but it's concerning because as I said, I've been taking pretty good care of myself over the last three (or so) years. - I also quit smoking about three years ago too and I feel quite good but apparently, I'm not all that good (there's some other stuff I also don't want to get in to.)

Anyway, I'm going in for an ECG next week and have been told to get a blood pressure monitor and track it. I don't want to go on meds (I don't know if I need to yet.) I was just looking for some more natural tips... Thanks for the ones you've given me.

I'm sorry to hear that nothing everything is going so well.  I hope it can be sorted out.

If you want some reading on hypertension in general, one of the major resources that are used by docs also has some really good patient resources:

http://www.uptodate.com/contents/high-blood-pressure-treatment-in-adults-beyond-the-basics?source=search_result&search=hypertension&selectedTitle=4~94 (http://www.uptodate.com/contents/high-blood-pressure-treatment-in-adults-beyond-the-basics?source=search_result&search=hypertension&selectedTitle=4~94)

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 17, 2012, 09:29:30 PM
Cheers... VERY much appreciated.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on July 17, 2012, 11:06:50 PM
For 9 or 10 months now I've gone without breaking diet or giving myself a "treat" until this past weekend.

One giant BBQ T-Bone steak and a couple of cold Keith's.

It was a good run!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 17, 2012, 11:37:37 PM
Man, that's monk-like. I know I couldn't do that.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 18, 2012, 04:03:15 AM
Sgt -- here's an excellent article explaining high blood pressure, it's effects, the various types, etc., and, going further down on the pages you will come across several modalities of treating it, including everything from prescription medications to natural alternatives, ways & means, etc.


http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/high_blood_pressure_01.htm

If you opt not to take a blood pressure medication and wish to try alternative options, it would be best to find a reputatble naturopath who can help you in that sphere.  Or even an integrative M.D., if possible.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on July 18, 2012, 07:21:41 AM
Man, that's monk-like. I know I couldn't do that.

If you saw my regular food you wouldn't think it was that crazy. I eat well.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 18, 2012, 09:08:53 AM
Sgt -- here's an excellent article explaining high blood pressure, it's effects, the various types, etc., and, going further down on the pages you will come across several modalities of treating it, including everything from prescription medications to natural alternatives, ways & means, etc.


http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/high_blood_pressure_01.htm

If you opt not to take a blood pressure medication and wish to try alternative options, it would be best to find a reputatble naturopath who can help you in that sphere.  Or even an integrative M.D., if possible.

Thanks. Yeah, I'm not above taking meds if need be but I'd rather try supplements to start. My doctor pushed lots of Omega-3 but I assume that was to lower my cholesterol - or does that also work for hypertension or does it go hand-in-hand?   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on July 18, 2012, 01:42:00 PM
Weird, I keep on dropping weight for no good reason. Last time I weighed this little was when I was in 7th grade or something. Down to 119 pounds, and im 5'10, for a couple of years ago I was at 160+ pounds which was pretty normal for me.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 19, 2012, 03:07:16 AM
Sgt -- here's an excellent article explaining high blood pressure, it's effects, the various types, etc., and, going further down on the pages you will come across several modalities of treating it, including everything from prescription medications to natural alternatives, ways & means, etc.


http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/high_blood_pressure_01.htm (http://www.lef.org/protocols/heart_circulatory/high_blood_pressure_01.htm)

If you opt not to take a blood pressure medication and wish to try alternative options, it would be best to find a reputatble naturopath who can help you in that sphere.  Or even an integrative M.D., if possible.

Thanks. Yeah, I'm not above taking meds if need be but I'd rather try supplements to start. My doctor pushed lots of Omega-3 but I assume that was to lower my cholesterol - or does that also work for hypertension or does it go hand-in-hand? 
 

It goes together, Sgt.  Although it's not the only thing, but, it does have an effect on blood pressure...

Fish Oil is a source of the omega-3 fatty acids Eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and Docosahexaenoic acid (DHA), which are made to a very limited degree in the human bodyfrom alpha-linolenic acid, but are nonetheless essential for several metabolic processes. Aside from reductions in the risk of cardiovascular mortality and non-fatal cardiovascular events (Marik 2008), fish oil fatty acids show reductions in blood pressure. In an analysis of 36 clinical trials on the effects of omega-3 supplementation in over 2,000 individuals with normal and high blood pressure, a median intake of 3.7 g/day of fish oil demonstrated an average blood pressure reduction of 2.1 mmHg (systolic) and 1.6 mmHg (diastolic) (Geleijnse 2002). The effects were greater in hypertensive individuals, with average reductions of 4 mmHg (systolic) and 2.73 mmHg (diastolic). Omega-3 fatty acids from fish oil have also demonstrated modest hypotensive activities in diabetic patients. A review and analysis of five small randomized controlled trials revealed a mean blood pressure reduction of 1.69/1.79 mmHg (Hartweg 2007)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 08:33:53 AM
Nice find. Thank you.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on July 19, 2012, 08:40:34 AM
Weird, I keep on dropping weight for no good reason. Last time I weighed this little was when I was in 7th grade or something. Down to 119 pounds, and im 5'10, for a couple of years ago I was at 160+ pounds which was pretty normal for me.

What.  That's a bit extreme, dude.  Get your butt to the doctor.  Could be thyroid related or something like that.. either way, serious.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 08:49:45 AM
Yeah, that doesn't sound good.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on July 19, 2012, 10:32:40 AM
Nice find. Thank you.

Most of that stuff stems from the mediterranean diet (which is a good one).  It isn't so much the Omega-3 fatty acids on their own so much as Omega-3 combined with Omega-6 fatty acids that are beneficial.  Eating more fish

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mediterranean-diet/CL00011 (http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/mediterranean-diet/CL00011)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 10:39:58 AM
Hmmm.. Also very helpful, thanks. It seems I eat way too many nuts (need to cut that back.) Perhaps I  should drink less beer and more red wine (which I don't object to doing.) The fish though is problematic for me... I love it but the rest of the family doesn't. So, I basically live without it (unless I go out for it.) Can I take Omega-3 with Omega-6 in supplements? Is that even available?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on July 19, 2012, 10:51:05 AM
Just out of curiosity, SGT, have you tracked your blood pressure at home yet?

At my doctor's (whom I'm comfortable with) my blood pressure was in the 140/whatever range. Even in the presence of family it'll be around 138.

I bought a good blood pressure monitor and my results at home have averaged 117/75 or so. I took the monitor in to my doctor to check its accuracy and he said it's bang on what he was reading with his equipment.

I'm still taking steps to reduce it (well in theory anyway, I've been pretty lazy lately) but it was good to know I'm not in panic mode. Cholesterol seems to be my bigger issue.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 11:00:54 AM
Just out of curiosity, SGT, have you tracked your blood pressure at home yet?

At my doctor's (whom I'm comfortable with) my blood pressure was in the 140/whatever range. Even in the presence of family it'll be around 138.

I bought a good blood pressure monitor and my results at home have averaged 117/75 or so. I took the monitor in to my doctor to check its accuracy and he said it's bang on what he was reading with his equipment.

I'm still taking steps to reduce it (well in theory anyway, I've been pretty lazy lately) but it was good to know I'm not in panic mode. Cholesterol seems to be my bigger issue.

I actually got a prescription for a monitor and called my benefits to see if they's cover and they won't.  >:( I've looked on-line and see they range from 50-100 bucks so I suppose it's just me going out and doing that. Are some better than others? How often should I be monitoring myself?

It's funny you mention the difference in readings at home vs. the doctor's office... See what I posted in the useless thread a couple of days ago...    ;) :-\

What are you doing for your cholesterol?     
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on July 19, 2012, 11:29:31 AM
Just out of curiosity, SGT, have you tracked your blood pressure at home yet?

At my doctor's (whom I'm comfortable with) my blood pressure was in the 140/whatever range. Even in the presence of family it'll be around 138.

I bought a good blood pressure monitor and my results at home have averaged 117/75 or so. I took the monitor in to my doctor to check its accuracy and he said it's bang on what he was reading with his equipment.

I'm still taking steps to reduce it (well in theory anyway, I've been pretty lazy lately) but it was good to know I'm not in panic mode. Cholesterol seems to be my bigger issue.

I actually got a prescription for a monitor and called my benefits to see if they's cover and they won't.  >:( I've looked on-line and see they range from 50-100 bucks so I suppose it's just me going out and doing that. Are some better than others? How often should I be monitoring myself?

It's funny you mention the difference in readings at home vs. the doctor's office... See what I posted in the useless thread a couple of days ago...    ;) :-\

What are you doing for your cholesterol?     

It's not ideal, but just add a walk to your local Shoppers in to your evening to get your BP checked there in their monitors.  I don't really like sending people to them because they don't recalibrate the machines so the numbers can be off a bit, but it does take away the "white coat" effect of doing it in the Doctor's office.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on July 19, 2012, 11:31:48 AM
Hmmm.. Also very helpful, thanks. It seems I eat way too many nuts (need to cut that back.) Perhaps I  should drink less beer and more red wine (which I don't object to doing.) The fish though is problematic for me... I love it but the rest of the family doesn't. So, I basically live without it (unless I go out for it.) Can I take Omega-3 with Omega-6 in supplements? Is that even available?

Yes there are 3/6 combo pills. 

You can also try some different kinds of fish that don't have that "fishy taste" if that is the problem with your family.  Mahi mahi is great for that.   And if you can get your hands on a swordfish steak, it honestly feels like you are eating pork.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on July 19, 2012, 12:21:36 PM
Weird, I keep on dropping weight for no good reason. Last time I weighed this little was when I was in 7th grade or something. Down to 119 pounds, and im 5'10, for a couple of years ago I was at 160+ pounds which was pretty normal for me.

What.  That's a bit extreme, dude.  Get your butt to the doctor.  Could be thyroid related or something like that.. either way, serious.
They've checked thyroid, and a lot of other things too. I only know that I can't digest fat properly, and they don't know why. I've tried some medicine but it doesn't work. My blood pressure is low, my resting pulse is high, and im tired all the time. They just keep telling me that I should eat more. I always drop a lot during the summer and whenever I work for some reason, maybe stress-related I don't know.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
Hmmm.. Also very helpful, thanks. It seems I eat way too many nuts (need to cut that back.) Perhaps I  should drink less beer and more red wine (which I don't object to doing.) The fish though is problematic for me... I love it but the rest of the family doesn't. So, I basically live without it (unless I go out for it.) Can I take Omega-3 with Omega-6 in supplements? Is that even available?

Yes there are 3/6 combo pills. 

You can also try some different kinds of fish that don't have that "fishy taste" if that is the problem with your family.  Mahi mahi is great for that.   And if you can get your hands on a swordfish steak, it honestly feels like you are eating pork.

Yeah, as a fish-eater (when I have the opportunity) that's what I keep telling my wife... Still, she won't go for it.  :-\ - I'll keep an eye out for the 3/6 combos, thanks.

Edit: Just came back from lunch... Had fish tacos.  8)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on July 19, 2012, 02:58:56 PM
The question is what is important in fish....Omega 3 or vitamin D? :P
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 19, 2012, 03:12:35 PM
Hmmm.. Also very helpful, thanks. It seems I eat way too many nuts (need to cut that back.) Perhaps I  should drink less beer and more red wine (which I don't object to doing.) The fish though is problematic for me... I love it but the rest of the family doesn't. So, I basically live without it (unless I go out for it.) Can I take Omega-3 with Omega-6 in supplements? Is that even available?

Yes there are 3/6 combo pills. 

You can also try some different kinds of fish that don't have that "fishy taste" if that is the problem with your family.  Mahi mahi is great for that.   And if you can get your hands on a swordfish steak, it honestly feels like you are eating pork.

Yeah, as a fish-eater (when I have the opportunity) that's what I keep telling my wife... Still, she won't go for it.  :-\ - I'll keep an eye out for the 3/6 combos, thanks.

Edit: Just came back from lunch... Had fish tacos.  8)


A good health food store -- think Nutrition House or The Health Shoppe to name a few -- they sell Udo's Choice Omega 3-6-9 in both oil and capaule form.  It's not from fish but it's a good quality brand that's been rigorously tested for purity. 

Another name is Ascenta Health's Nutrasea, or even Genuine Health's O3mega.  These two combine oils mostly from Salmon, Anchovies, and are also known for their purity.

Remember, when buying fish oil or essential fatty acids containing a fish source, they must have high standards of purity (free of pesticides/bacteria/mercury, etc.,), and also free of that 'burpy' taste.  Not all products are created equal.

Most large fishes should be avoided (far more pollutants than small fishes).  Also, eating Pacific or Atlantic wild fish is best -- farmed fish is not known to have many benefits. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on July 19, 2012, 03:24:13 PM
Hey Odin,

I may have asked this question before, but in order to build muscle mass, do I have to be in a calorie rich state? Is Bulking/Cutting a good idea?

I am of the school of thought that I can eat lean and healthy foods, just more than usual in order to try and stem any fat gains that might be associated with higher caloric intake.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 05:57:34 PM
Okay, now I'm more than slightly scared/confused... I bought the BP monitor and was pretty happy with my reading at 4 pm prior to my run; 131/73, pulse: 65 bpm (high but much better then it was at the doctor's office.) After my run slightly past 5 pm, my systolic dropped (119/75, pulse: 113 bpm.)

My wife did some reading ans apparently, this is not normal and could be a sign of friggin' heart disease?

I liked it better when I didn't go to the doctor.  :(   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on July 19, 2012, 07:57:46 PM
Try measuring it over a period of two weeks in the same circumstances everytime. A couple of one-off readings aren't going to tell you much.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 08:00:48 PM
Will do... and you never did say... what are you doing about your cholesterol? Anything working?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on July 19, 2012, 08:07:44 PM
Okay, now I'm more than slightly scared/confused... I bought the BP monitor and was pretty happy with my reading at 4 pm prior to my run; 131/73, pulse: 65 bpm (high but much better then it was at the doctor's office.) After my run slightly past 5 pm, my systolic dropped (119/75, pulse: 113 bpm.)

My wife did some reading ans apparently, this is not normal and could be a sign of friggin' heart disease?

I liked it better when I didn't go to the doctor.  :(

A drop in systolic blood pressure is normal after exercise. It's the expected result.  Blood pressure increases quite a bit during exercise as your heart rate increases and other factors.  When you stop and relax your blood vessels dilate, which means there are wider opening for your blood to flow through and therefore the pressure on your artery walls will decrease. This can last for a short period of time following exercise.  This is one of the benefits of exercise for people with high blood pressure.

What would be a bad sign is if your systolic blood pressure was dropping DURING exercise, or if it was dropping drastically afterwards.  But the blood pressure you recorded after exercise was a perfectly normal and healthy value.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 19, 2012, 08:29:47 PM
That's a relief, thanks!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on July 20, 2012, 07:37:06 AM
Will do... and you never did say... what are you doing about your cholesterol? Anything working?

Well, I can tell you what I was doing, I've sort of fallen back into old habits. Essentially, I'm just trying to do little things such as cut back on sugar and animal fats. No more french fries for me, side salads instead. I'm trying to eat healthy fats and grains and, most importantly for me, trying to exercise. I also started taking coenzyme Q10, but i think that was actually for blood pressure not cholesterol.

Not really working as I've sort of gotten lazy.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on July 24, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
Hey Odin,

I may have asked this question before, but in order to build muscle mass, do I have to be in a calorie rich state? Is Bulking/Cutting a good idea?

I am of the school of thought that I can eat lean and healthy foods, just more than usual in order to try and stem any fat gains that might be associated with higher caloric intake.

Hey Bender, I haven't been around a lot lately.

Not sure what you are asking here exactly.

All "building" takes place during sleep.

Protien is key to muscle repair and growth. Think of the calories you consume during the day as the fuel for your body. Not enough fuel and not enough protien could result in a loss of muscle.

 Your body will look at your muscle mass like its a protien rich steak and will canabolize it if your undernourished and over trained.

Eating the lean healthy options are obviously the best bet. As far as gaining fat the best thing to do is to not skip meals. Eating those small healthy meals at regularl intervals while commiting to a weight resistance and cardio regimen will keep your metabolism up and limit your bodys desire to store fat.

It's a fine line when you are trying to build muscle while burning fat. It is totally possible but you have to be really on top of everything.. Your food, your exercise, your rest and your sleep.

Everyone reacts a little different in regards to nutrition, timing, numbers of sets and reps. My best advice would be to keep a journal and experiment to find your "zone"
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: moon111 on July 24, 2012, 09:16:08 PM
Canceled our Starchoice/Shaw.  No TV.  What a great benefit. 
Maybe this winter instead of watching hockey, I'll play it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 24, 2012, 11:06:42 PM
Well, more tests have shown that I have a on enlarged left  ventricle. Safe bet at this point that it's because I've had high blood pressure for some time. Possible angiogram coming... Getting old sucks. Dear tmlfans friends, let this be a lesson to you all... Get regular checkups and don't go years between them. - I wish I had caught this sooner.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: ThatLeafsFan on July 24, 2012, 11:47:27 PM
@Moon

With me moving to Wpg and only being in the city 43% of the time (at work out of town the rest of the time), I am thinking of cancelling mine as well and not having TV, it will be a good break away and if there is a time I want to watch, Netflix or the internet works.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: BMan on July 27, 2012, 11:45:39 AM
Well, more tests have shown that I have a on enlarged left  ventricle. Safe bet at this point that it's because I've had high blood pressure for some time. Possible angiogram coming... Getting old sucks. Dear tmlfans friends, let this be a lesson to you all... Get regular checkups and don't go years between them. - I wish I had caught this sooner.
This sounds like tough luck Sarge but at least it was caught. Look at it from a neutral point of view and realise it could have been much much worse.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Michael on July 27, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
A couple of months ago I watched the movie Forks Over Knives and then read the book by Esselstyn as well. Then on July 1st I started completely as an oil free vegan.

Nearly one month in and I feel great. The hardest part for me was losing meat but in the household the hardest part was losing all oils - which meant a lot of new things to learn for cooking and baking.

We said we would try one month and see how we felt. Now I don't think we will ever go back!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 27, 2012, 01:32:20 PM
Well, more tests have shown that I have a on enlarged left  ventricle. Safe bet at this point that it's because I've had high blood pressure for some time. Possible angiogram coming... Getting old sucks. Dear tmlfans friends, let this be a lesson to you all... Get regular checkups and don't go years between them. - I wish I had caught this sooner.
This sounds like tough luck Sarge but at least it was caught. Look at it from a neutral point of view and realise it could have been much much worse.  :)

Yeah... I used to exercise so I could indulge myself. Now in addition to exercise, I just can't indulge nearly as often.  :-\   
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 27, 2012, 04:38:49 PM
Wishing you all the best Sarge, you'll be fine in no time.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 27, 2012, 05:15:45 PM
Thanks, man... FWIW, I feel great!
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 27, 2012, 05:17:45 PM
Glad to hear it!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on July 27, 2012, 05:18:42 PM
A couple of months ago I watched the movie Forks Over Knives and then read the book by Esselstyn as well. Then on July 1st I started completely as an oil free vegan.

Nearly one month in and I feel great. The hardest part for me was losing meat but in the household the hardest part was losing all oils - which meant a lot of new things to learn for cooking and baking.

We said we would try one month and see how we felt. Now I don't think we will ever go back!

Are you getting all your nutrients naturally? Are you supplementing?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Michael on July 28, 2012, 10:10:57 PM
A couple of months ago I watched the movie Forks Over Knives and then read the book by Esselstyn as well. Then on July 1st I started completely as an oil free vegan.

Nearly one month in and I feel great. The hardest part for me was losing meat but in the household the hardest part was losing all oils - which meant a lot of new things to learn for cooking and baking.

We said we would try one month and see how we felt. Now I don't think we will ever go back!

Are you getting all your nutrients naturally? Are you supplementing?

The only thing I supplement now is one Vitamin D and one B12. Everything else is natural.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 28, 2012, 10:19:22 PM
What are you using to get your healthy fats and amino acids and how about keeping muscle mass instead of fat, avocados?

I've read that a problem a lot of men especially have is that they lose muscle mass instead of fat when eating Vegan, especially if they workout a lot, basically because they aren't getting enough protein.

I know there are a lot of good vegan based protein powders out there, as well as a hemp protein powder, tried any of those?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Michael on July 28, 2012, 10:29:28 PM
What are you using to get your healthy fats and amino acids and how about keeping muscle mass instead of fat, avocados?

I've read that a problem a lot of men especially have is that they lose muscle mass instead of fat when eating Vegan, especially if they workout a lot, basically because they aren't getting enough protein.

I know there are a lot of good vegan based protein powders out there, as well as a hemp protein powder, tried any of those?

Few people realize how much protein there is in vegatables. Each morning I have a spinach and kale smoothie before the gym and then a bowl of steel cut oatmeal with almond milk and that is plenty of protein to get the day started. In the evening beans and lentils will give anyone all the protein they need.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on July 29, 2012, 12:07:49 AM
What are you using to get your healthy fats and amino acids and how about keeping muscle mass instead of fat, avocados?

I've read that a problem a lot of men especially have is that they lose muscle mass instead of fat when eating Vegan, especially if they workout a lot, basically because they aren't getting enough protein.

I know there are a lot of good vegan based protein powders out there, as well as a hemp protein powder, tried any of those?

Few people realize how much protein there is in vegatables. Each morning I have a spinach and kale smoothie before the gym and then a bowl of steel cut oatmeal with almond milk and that is plenty of protein to get the day started. In the evening beans and lentils will give anyone all the protein they need.

Another option is Quinoa.  It has all of the essential amino acids.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on July 29, 2012, 12:40:42 PM
I am still under 230 lbs and have set my sights on 220!  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on July 29, 2012, 01:19:53 PM
I am still under 230 lbs and have set my sights on 220!  :)

You can do it!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on July 29, 2012, 04:25:02 PM
Go 'dog, go!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on July 29, 2012, 04:34:28 PM
You folks are the best!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 29, 2012, 07:25:21 PM
Few people realize how much protein there is in vegatables. Each morning I have a spinach and kale smoothie before the gym and then a bowl of steel cut oatmeal with almond milk and that is plenty of protein to get the day started. In the evening beans and lentils will give anyone all the protein they need.


I realize how much protein is in a good vegan and it is more than enough to maintain a healthy diet. My question about supplementing protein was because I know you either lost/or attempted to lose a lot of weight during a lifestyle change the past few years and the fact is, if you're doing any kind of strength training, you do have to supplement protein. A regular vegan diet will not give you enough protein if you are lifting to repair the muscles and you'll subsequently be burning muscle mass instead of fat.

I have a friend who went vegan and lost fifty pounds over a period of five months, while his body fat percentage remained the same at about 32% the whole time, this basically means he was dropping muscle and not fat. I read a lot about this type of situation afterwards and it turns out it's a really common issue for men especially.

Kudos to you, I think it's a cool thing you are doing.

Personally I'm flirting ith the notion of going full paleo.

Oh and good for you too Bulldog, as other have said, YOU CAN DO IT!  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Michael on July 30, 2012, 07:37:56 AM
I have a friend who went vegan and lost fifty pounds over a period of five months, while his body fat percentage remained the same at about 32% the whole time, this basically means he was dropping muscle and not fat. I read a lot about this type of situation afterwards and it turns out it's a really common issue for men especially.

Do you follow MMA at all? Mac Danzig is an oil free vegan and was featured in the movie Forks Over Knives. Here is a clip that is worth looking at.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGsCJ7Chns[/youtube]
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on July 30, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
Do you follow MMA at all? Mac Danzig is an oil free vegan and was featured in the movie Forks Over Knives. Here is a clip that is worth looking at.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtGsCJ7Chns[/youtube]

Good video - makes you think about it...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 30, 2012, 07:20:08 PM
Yeah I do follow MMA, very closely, that's a great video.

I know Jon Fitch and a lot of other top MMA and boxing guys have gone Vegan with even more switching to being Vegan while in camp only, Tim Bradley who beat Pacman does this.

I think you'll find all of these guys are supplementing huge amounts of plant based protein powder.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on July 30, 2012, 11:43:32 PM
What are you using to get your healthy fats and amino acids and how about keeping muscle mass instead of fat, avocados?

I've read that a problem a lot of men especially have is that they lose muscle mass instead of fat when eating Vegan, especially if they workout a lot, basically because they aren't getting enough protein.

I know there are a lot of good vegan based protein powders out there, as well as a hemp protein powder, tried any of those?

Few people realize how much protein there is in vegatables. Each morning I have a spinach and kale smoothie before the gym and then a bowl of steel cut oatmeal with almond milk and that is plenty of protein to get the day started. In the evening beans and lentils will give anyone all the protein they need.

Another option is Quinoa.  It has all of the essential amino acids.

Quinoa also has a tonne of protein in it. Calorie heavy though.

I don't mean to troll but you mentioned Kale, Oatmeal and Spinach. AFAIK those aren't really big sources of protein. Almond milk might have more, but still.

I'm not against going vegan, I'm more worried about getting everything you need without supplementing. I mean, I heard Brendan Brazier speaking (Canadian Triathlete, formulator of VEGA) and stated that it was very difficult going vegan without supplementation. Of course, he may just be pushing his product, but still.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on July 31, 2012, 10:39:07 PM
I'm not against going vegan, I'm more worried about getting everything you need without supplementing. I mean, I heard Brendan Brazier speaking (Canadian Triathlete, formulator of VEGA) and stated that it was very difficult going vegan without supplementation. Of course, he may just be pushing his product, but still.

Though, I doubt very much that the average person needs the amount of protein that a triathlete or MMAist needs.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 30, 2012, 09:00:58 AM
New research lends credence to the role of unsaturated fats...as well as how saturated fats may be responsible in causing inflammatory responses (& heart disease)...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15064&Section=Nutrition (http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15064&Section=Nutrition)

Some fats may boost harmful bacteria in the digestive system creating an immune response resulting in low-level inflammation, U.S. researchers say.

Some fats -- mostly unsaturated fats found in plants and fish -- have strong anti-microbial properties and react chemically with bacterial cell membranes, weakening them, Alcock said..

"If you expose unsaturated fats on bacteria, the bacteria have a tendency to dissolve. The combination of long chain unsaturated fats, especially omega-3 fatty acids, and innate host defenses like gastric acid and antimicrobial peptides, is particularly lethal to pathogenic bacteria," Alcock said in a statement. "Saturated fats on the other hand generally lack those anti-microbial properties, and in fact can provide a carbon source that bacteria need to grow and flourish."

It may be these differing microbial effects that are at the root of why some fats are inflammatory and some aren't, Alcock said.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 30, 2012, 09:14:19 AM
The benefits of an early fitness program...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15065&Section=Aging (http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15065&Section=Aging)

Being physically fit before age 50, not only helps extend lifespan, but it also increases the chances of aging healthily, U.S. researchers say.

The study, published in the Archives of Internal Medicine, indicated when patients increased fitness levels by 20 percent in their midlife years, they decreased their chances of developing chronic diseases -- congestive heart failure, Alzheimer's disease and colon cancer -- decades later by 20 percent.

"We've determined that being fit is not just delaying the inevitable, but it is actually lowering the onset of chronic disease in the final years of life," Berry said in a statement.

This positive effect continued until the end of life, with more-fit individuals -- walking, jogging or running at least 2.5 hours per week -- living their final five years of life with fewer chronic diseases in both men and women, Berry said.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on August 30, 2012, 09:17:38 AM
Gluten.... I know it's the latest "fad" thing to blame for all of our problems, but hear me out... For those who want to try and deal with weight, health and/or stomach issues without going vegan, etc, you might want to give a try to cutting gluten for a month.

My wife has struggled with stomach issues for the entire time we have been together (15 yrs now).  On a normal day she was fine but what seemed to be randomly after a meal she would have horrible stomach pains that lasted for as much as 48 hours or more.  She had been cutting out certain foods, assuming it was an allergy of some sort.  Tried cutting out pre-packaged spices, all preservatives, even cut out pork.  Someone put her on to a book called Wheat Belly which is all about how gluten is a key source of many dietary problems for the Western world and not two weeks into it, her stomach problems were gone.  She's about 2 months into it now and has never felt better and has been able to lose that "last 5 pounds" too.   Gluten is a big source of weight gain and retention, mostly because the body can't really digest it.

The only trick is finding all the things that gluten (wheat) is in, which is tricky but manageable. 

The book is by Dr. William Davis (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/) who has tonnes of stories about all kinds of serious health issues being linked to gluten. 

Worth a read and worth a try for those who have similar issues. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Andy on August 30, 2012, 09:26:56 AM
Gluten.... I know it's the latest "fad" thing to blame for all of our problems, but hear me out... For those who want to try and deal with weight, health and/or stomach issues without going vegan, etc, you might want to give a try to cutting gluten for a month.

My wife has struggled with stomach issues for the entire time we have been together (15 yrs now).  On a normal day she was fine but what seemed to be randomly after a meal she would have horrible stomach pains that lasted for as much as 48 hours or more.  She had been cutting out certain foods, assuming it was an allergy of some sort.  Tried cutting out pre-packaged spices, all preservatives, even cut out pork.  Someone put her on to a book called Wheat Belly which is all about how gluten is a key source of many dietary problems for the Western world and not two weeks into it, her stomach problems were gone.  She's about 2 months into it now and has never felt better and has been able to lose that "last 5 pounds" too.   Gluten is a big source of weight gain and retention, mostly because the body can't really digest it.

The only trick is finding all the things that gluten (wheat) is in, which is tricky but manageable. 

The book is by Dr. William Davis (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/) who has tonnes of stories about all kinds of serious health issues being linked to gluten. 

Worth a read and worth a try for those who have similar issues.

My wife had similar issues and also feels alot better after eliminating gluten. "Wheat Belly" has alot of interesting information and anecdotes about non-gluten diets- people not just feeling better and losing weight but actually losing allergies and curing asthma and other ailments.

Anyway if you haven't already tried it, 'Gluttino' is a gluten/wheat free brand available readily at Fortinos and they have absolutely delicious stuff. Their pasta, brownie mix and snacks are as good as any non-gluten product.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 30, 2012, 09:42:22 AM
Gluten.... I know it's the latest "fad" thing to blame for all of our problems, but hear me out... For those who want to try and deal with weight, health and/or stomach issues without going vegan, etc, you might want to give a try to cutting gluten for a month.

My wife has struggled with stomach issues for the entire time we have been together (15 yrs now).  On a normal day she was fine but what seemed to be randomly after a meal she would have horrible stomach pains that lasted for as much as 48 hours or more.  She had been cutting out certain foods, assuming it was an allergy of some sort.  Tried cutting out pre-packaged spices, all preservatives, even cut out pork.  Someone put her on to a book called Wheat Belly which is all about how gluten is a key source of many dietary problems for the Western world and not two weeks into it, her stomach problems were gone.  She's about 2 months into it now and has never felt better and has been able to lose that "last 5 pounds" too.   Gluten is a big source of weight gain and retention, mostly because the body can't really digest it.

The only trick is finding all the things that gluten (wheat) is in, which is tricky but manageable. 

The book is by Dr. William Davis (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/ (http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/)) who has tonnes of stories about all kinds of serious health issues being linked to gluten. 

Worth a read and worth a try for those who have similar issues.




I, too, had similar problems with gastrointestinal/malabsportion/digestion and elimination.  I was told to eliminate gluten (which is a sticky protein), and the impact of doing so proved very helpful.


However, I'm currently not on a complete gluten-free diet (I should be), and I've experimented with some foods -- for example, regular Italian pasta which is made from durum wheat semolina, as well as rice pasta (gluten-free) -- and have found that eating the rice pasta version helped me avoid the above-mentioned problems generally-speaking.  When I ate the regular pasta (non gluten-free), slowly, I began to experience symptoms all over again.


Gluten-free products tend to be costly, which is one reason I don't always buy them.  Eating 50-50 for me okay as I tend to take plenty of natural supplements for both my symptoms as well as my inflammatory processes (due to an autoimmune condition).
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on August 30, 2012, 09:56:37 AM
My wife had similar issues and also feels alot better after eliminating gluten. "Wheat Belly" has alot of interesting information and anecdotes about non-gluten diets- people not just feeling better and losing weight but actually losing allergies and curing asthma and other ailments.

Anyway if you haven't already tried it, 'Gluttino' is a gluten/wheat free brand available readily at Fortinos and they have absolutely delicious stuff. Their pasta, brownie mix and snacks are as good as any non-gluten product.

Thanks Andy, will check out Fortinos for that brand.  It's tough stuff to find and as hockeyfan1 says, can be expensive.

Best place we have found for gluten free products is Bulk Barn.  They have quite a line of different flours, pastas, snacks, etc.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on August 30, 2012, 10:00:10 AM
Gluten-free products tend to be costly, which is one reason I don't always buy them.  Eating 50-50 for me okay as I tend to take plenty of natural supplements for both my symptoms as well as my inflammatory processes (due to an autoimmune condition).

Good to hear.  Yeah some companies are sure cashing in on the gluten free thing. $6 for a tiny loaf of bread?!?!?!?  Some of the whole foods shops will sell a small bag of gluten free flour for $15, which is a crazy joke. As mentioned to Andy, Bulk Barn is great for that kind of stuff. 

She's trying to find the right balance and it can sure be tricky but for the most part my wife stays right off gluten and it works well. 

Giving up regular beer was hard for her.. she's a beer girl.  Fortunately she found New Grist, which is pretty decent in taste if you put some lime in it. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 30, 2012, 02:23:52 PM
I've been drinking Kale shakes in the morning for the past month and the benefits I've felt have been huge.

Kale
Spinach
Celery
Cucumber
Pear
Ginger
Apple
Frozen Mixed Berries
Frozen Banana
4 cloves of garlic
1 cup of unsweetened almond milk
1 teaspoon of coconut oil
Blend it all up in a blender, should still be relatively thick.

It's like taking an energy drink every morning, I feel fantastic all day and the digestive benefits are great, by the time lunch roles around I'm barely hungry and will only need a small snack size thing to see me through to dinner.

In the month I've been drinking them, with little to no increase in exercise, I've dropped 27 pounds.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on August 30, 2012, 02:47:25 PM
In the month I've been drinking them, with little to no increase in exercise, I've dropped 27 pounds.

 :o Holy Jeebus!

So that's all you have for breakfast? I need to find something that keeps me filled up from 6am to noon without feeling ready to pass out starving.  Might give this a try.

Kale always reminds me of Woody from Cheers and Veggie Boy drink. :D
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Michael on August 30, 2012, 03:05:18 PM
I've been drinking Kale shakes in the morning for the past month and the benefits I've felt have been huge.

Kale
Spinach
Celery
Cucumber
Pear
Ginger
Apple
Frozen Mixed Berries
Frozen Banana
4 cloves of garlic
1 cup of unsweetened almond milk
1 teaspoon of coconut oil
Blend it all up in a blender, should still be relatively thick.

It's like taking an energy drink every morning, I feel fantastic all day and the digestive benefits are great, by the time lunch roles around I'm barely hungry and will only need a small snack size thing to see me through to dinner.

In the month I've been drinking them, with little to no increase in exercise, I've dropped 27 pounds.

Good for you.

I have kale every morning as well.

I suspect that you were a little "backed up" and might not even have realized it. :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 30, 2012, 04:05:04 PM
Yeah, that certainly accounts for a little of it Fanatic and I would suggest most people who aren't getting enough fruit and vegetables are probably the same. They say that most meat eaters have several pounds of undigested meat(especially red meat) in them when they die. I was always very regular though, but this has taken it to a whole new level and it's not an unpleasant experience either.

Before I drink the shake I try to drink twenty ounces of water also, just to hydrate my whole body, especially my digestive system, this couple with the shake works wonders.

My skin and my hair has not looked better either.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on August 30, 2012, 04:05:13 PM
Way to go WIGWAL! Coconut oil is now like Frank's for me. - I put that s*** on everything! Have you considered adding some essential fatty acids? If fish, and avocado, etc (Omega 3s) aren't in your every day diet, adding this can go a long way towards your overall health. My GP turned me on to Super EFA Liquid (mostly fish oil really) as a means to improve my overall health, especially where my heart was concerned. This particular stuff is really highly concentrated and I only need a teaspoon a day. - Check it out... You won't notice it at all. Heck, I can drink it straight.       
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on August 30, 2012, 04:09:12 PM
Living in California, Avocado's are widespread, I get plenty of them in my diet. I also take a bunch of fish oil daily to help too.

Good work lads, keep it up.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on August 30, 2012, 04:11:12 PM
Living in California, Avocado's are widespread, I get plenty of them in my diet. I also take a bunch of fish oil daily to help too.

Good work lads, keep it up.

Another green thing I'm very jealous that you have wide access too.  8)
Title: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on August 31, 2012, 05:08:13 PM
The benefits of an early fitness program...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15065&Section=Aging (http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15065&Section=Aging)

Being physically fit before age 50, not only helps extend lifespan, but it also increases the chances of aging healthily, U.S. researchers say. .

I didn't know about this, but I figured I better do it before I got too old to be able to physically push myself. I started as a New Year's resolution for 2011 - I was 48.

I've worked through injuries, but after 20 months I'm still going strong. I just had my 50th a couple of days ago and I feel great. I'm running 26 km a week (4 days on, 3 off) - I was up to over 40 km a week (5 days on, 2 off) but my back (I have degenerative disk disease - and had back surgery after blowing out my L5-S1 disk in 2003) started causing me all kinds of sciatic pain, so I've had to lower my activity to avoid it.

I want to be strong at least into my 80s, like my parents - my mom just turned 82 and my dad's still a rock at 84. If I didn't quit my old, lousy life-style, I don't think I would have had a hope in hell of making it to that age - at least in decent health.

Sometimes it can be a struggle to stick to this healthier life-style, but at least it's nice to be able to breeze through my physicals - with my doctor saying I'm as strong as an ox.

Any of you who might think you are too old, or too out of shape, believe me - you CAN still do it!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 01, 2012, 11:30:41 AM
The benefits of an early fitness program...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15065&Section=Aging (http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=15065&Section=Aging)

Being physically fit before age 50, not only helps extend lifespan, but it also increases the chances of aging healthily, U.S. researchers say. .

I didn't know about this, but I figured I better do it before I got too old to be able to physically push myself. I started as a New Year's resolution for 2011 - I was 48.

I've worked through injuries, but after 20 months I'm still going strong. I just had my 50th a couple of days ago and I feel great. I'm running 26 km a week (4 days on, 3 off) - I was up to over 40 km a week (5 days on, 2 off) but my back (I have degenerative disk disease - and had back surgery after blowing out my L5-S1 disk in 2003) started causing me all kinds of sciatic pain, so I've had to lower my activity to avoid it.

I want to be strong at least into my 80s, like my parents - my mom just turned 82 and my dad's still a rock at 84. If I didn't quit my old, lousy life-style, I don't think I would have had a hope in hell of making it to that age - at least in decent health.

Sometimes it can be a struggle to stick to this healthier life-style, but at least it's nice to be able to breeze through my physicals - with my doctor saying I'm as strong as an ox.

Any of you who might think you are too old, or too out of shape, believe me - you CAN still do it!


Bravo!  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on September 01, 2012, 01:35:11 PM
Okay. Summer's gone. September 1st. What better time to kick the fitness and healthy eating back into play. I could have made it Tuesday morning after the Long Weekend, but I'll start now instead - no excuses.

It's hard to post this stuff on a public forum, using your real name.  It's pretty embarrassing...  Here goes...

I jumped on the scale this morning. 349.2. Holy crap. I then had a good breakfast - which likely pushed me over 350 for a bit. 150 lbs to lose. I can do this!

This evening I'll take my darling wife out for a stroll - try and get the legs moving a little. I get out of breath walking up the stairs...

Anyone with me? Starting today, or Tuesday morning, or whenever fits for you...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 01, 2012, 02:03:43 PM
Good for you, Rick... Have you set any goals? The next long weekend is Thanksgiving. I challenge you to drop 10 lbs. by then. - That's just 2 lbs. per for 5 weeks. I think you can do that and I'll bet you'll probably have that done well in advance.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on September 01, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
Good for you, Rick... Have you set any goals? The next long weekend is Thanksgiving. I challenge you to drop 10 lbs. by then. - That's just 2 lbs. per for 5 weeks. I think you can do that and I'll bet you'll probably have that done well in advance.

Thanks Sgt - 10 lbs by Turkey Weekend.  Deal!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 01, 2012, 02:43:44 PM
Good for you, Rick... Have you set any goals? The next long weekend is Thanksgiving. I challenge you to drop 10 lbs. by then. - That's just 2 lbs. per for 5 weeks. I think you can do that and I'll bet you'll probably have that done well in advance.

Thanks Sgt - 10 lbs by Turkey Weekend.  Deal!

Keep me (us) posted!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 01, 2012, 05:12:56 PM
I'm with you. I'm just struggling with motivation so much. I sit there and think, "boy, i should really get up and go for a walk." And then I don't. I really wish I knew how to get motivated.

I'm about 15 lb overweight, but my bigger concern is my health and fitness rather than my weight.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: moon111 on September 01, 2012, 08:24:02 PM
I'll probably offend some.  Sorry, just going on personal observations of friends/family/co-workers.  Those who I've witnessed needing to lose weight do get motivated and sometimes start an exercise routine/diet.  Some stick to it pretty good.  But outside of that, they don't move.  Homes aren't clean.  They'll run the loader rather then get out and shovel.  They'll drive a couple of blocks rather then walk.  Exercise is a good start, but to truly work, it has to be a life-style change.  Go to the gym AND cut the grass for that little old lady down the street. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on September 01, 2012, 09:07:56 PM
I could probably afford to lose 10-15 pounds.  I'll join you on that quest.  Back to the gym tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: 4th Liner on September 02, 2012, 12:31:01 AM
Good for you, Rick... Have you set any goals? The next long weekend is Thanksgiving. I challenge you to drop 10 lbs. by then. - That's just 2 lbs. per for 5 weeks. I think you can do that and I'll bet you'll probably have that done well in advance.

Goal setting is great - I find it extremely motivating. When I was losing weight, I posted my results in the "old" version of this thread every week. It was amazing how much it helped push me when I felt weak and ready to give up. Now, I use 5K races to keep me motivated. If I don't run, I will end up with a crap time - and I am very competitive!  :)

I try and at least book one race in the spring and one in the fall (The Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon 5K race is coming up in October - I'm booked for it) and try and sign up for fun-runs or charity runs in the summer.

Two pounds per week is great - I pushed for 3 pounds a week and I was successful, but I would not recommend it. It really is too hard on your body - I found myself getting extremely irritable after a few months of watching every calorie I ate and walking/running/working out just about every day. Moderation is better - as usual.

Also, don't be upset if you miss a target on a given week, sometimes you "plateau" at a certain weight for a week or so, then off goes the weight again the following week.

Good luck folks! :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on September 02, 2012, 01:08:57 AM

So nice to see this thread going strong!

Hey Rick... I suggest you try walking first thing in the morning. It won't take a lot of time and effort and I think it will give you good results.

Basically goes like this:

Wake up, do what you got to do in the bathroom, get dressed, drink a glass of water and be out your front door walking within 5 to 10 minutes of waking up.

Just walk normally for 15 to 20 minutes and then have a good breakfast immediately after your walk. Then just go about your regular daily routine.

That's it... Easy exercise, gets the blood flowing, gets the metabolism kick started for the day and all for just a 20minute time commitment.

I think it's also easier to make healthy food choices and avoid temptations when you've already committed some time and energy to exercise that day.

Plus if you want to incorporate some other exercise into your routine in the afternoon or evening then great. The short walk in the am is so low in impact and intensity that it won't effect other workouts.

Take it from a former a fat guy... You can do it!

Good luck Rick

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 02, 2012, 03:20:36 PM
Good for you, Rick... Have you set any goals? The next long weekend is Thanksgiving. I challenge you to drop 10 lbs. by then. - That's just 2 lbs. per for 5 weeks. I think you can do that and I'll bet you'll probably have that done well in advance.

Goal setting is great - I find it extremely motivating. When I was losing weight, I posted my results in the "old" version of this thread every week. It was amazing how much it helped push me when I felt weak and ready to give up. Now, I use 5K races to keep me motivated. If I don't run, I will end up with a crap time - and I am very competitive!  :)

I try and at least book one race in the spring and one in the fall (The Scotiabank Toronto Waterfront Marathon 5K race is coming up in October - I'm booked for it) and try and sign up for fun-runs or charity runs in the summer.

Two pounds per week is great - I pushed for 3 pounds a week and I was successful, but I would not recommend it. It really is too hard on your body - I found myself getting extremely irritable after a few months of watching every calorie I ate and walking/running/working out just about every day. Moderation is better - as usual.

Also, don't be upset if you miss a target on a given week, sometimes you "plateau" at a certain weight for a week or so, then off goes the weight again the following week.

Good luck folks! :)

I've done a couple of races and while I'm probably in the best shape I've been since high school (apart from apparent issues with my ticker  :-\) I found them to be rather disheartening. I try to tell myself that it's only been a short time since I've changed my lifestyle and to pay little attention to the much older people (or kids for that matter) blowing past me but it still gets to me and I lose focus. I find I'm a much better runner when I'm on my own. 

All that being said, the Scotiabank is the ideal venue to attempt my first half marathon (it's very flat.) If I decide to give it a go, I'll let you know. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: db54 on September 05, 2012, 05:43:10 PM
I'll probably offend some.  Sorry, just going on personal observations of friends/family/co-workers.  Those who I've witnessed needing to lose weight do get motivated and sometimes start an exercise routine/diet.  Some stick to it pretty good.  But outside of that, they don't move.  Homes aren't clean.  They'll run the loader rather then get out and shovel.  They'll drive a couple of blocks rather then walk.  Exercise is a good start, but to truly work, it has to be a life-style change.  Go to the gym AND cut the grass for that little old lady down the street.

This is a really good point. If you think about how your awake for about 16 hours per day, which is 112 hours per week, if you only have planned exercise for say 4 hours per week it leave a lot of sedentary time.  Simple things like taking the stairs instead of the elevator or walking to the store can really increase the amount of physical activity in your day and its relatively easy on the body.  And this physical activity combined with planned exercise can increase your results significantly.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on September 06, 2012, 01:42:30 PM
Anyone with me? Starting today, or Tuesday morning, or whenever fits for you...

Count me in Rick for 10 lbs I gained over the summer ... juuuuust a few too many beers.  8)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on September 07, 2012, 01:04:24 PM
I managed to not gain any weight back over the summer!  yay!

It took almost a year but I lost 30lbs (baby weight gone).  It's really really hard to keep at it and I'd love to lose another 10 or 20 but I admit, with 3 kids, working full-time, it's not on my high list of priorities right now.

Rick, I started easy with just my stationary bike, in my bedroom, reading a book or watching tv.  Cutting back on the fat, junk, etc...  Bought a Foreman grill, which has been awesome, more veggies, things like that.  Hubby cut out his wine and we drink tons more water.

After a few months, I moved to the treadmill in the basement.  At first, just walking, then a few minutes here and there of running with my music and incorporating a few things with arms, etc...  I now do at least 5 days a week of 30 mins on the treadmill.  I do the first or 2nd program, which burns 300 to 500 calories, depending on how I feel that day.  I do a few light weights in my room.  Right now, I'm not losing but I'm not gaining either.

It's hard Rick but you can do it!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: harps64 on September 11, 2012, 07:23:17 AM
I've been drinking Kale shakes in the morning for the past month and the benefits I've felt have been huge.

Kale
Spinach
Celery
Cucumber
Pear
Ginger
Apple
Frozen Mixed Berries
Frozen Banana
4 cloves of garlic
1 cup of unsweetened almond milk
1 teaspoon of coconut oil
Blend it all up in a blender, should still be relatively thick.

It's like taking an energy drink every morning, I feel fantastic all day and the digestive benefits are great, by the time lunch roles around I'm barely hungry and will only need a small snack size thing to see me through to dinner.

In the month I've been drinking them, with little to no increase in exercise, I've dropped 27 pounds.

Thats awesome WIGWAL, want to give it a try but unsure how much kale, spinach and some of the other fruit and veggies to use for one serving? Is it something you make fresh every morning or enough for a few days?

thanks
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Tigger on September 11, 2012, 12:36:50 PM
Researchers Find Mysterious New AIDS-Like Disease (http://atlanta.cbslocal.com/2012/08/25/researchers-find-mysterious-new-aids-like-disease/)

Quote
The virus that causes AIDS — HIV — destroys T-cells, key soldiers of the immune system that fight germs. The new disease doesn’t affect those cells, but causes a different kind of damage. Browne’s study of more than 200 people in Taiwan and Thailand found that most of those with the disease make substances called autoantibodies that block interferon-gamma, a chemical signal that helps the body clear infections.

Blocking that signal leaves people like those with AIDS — vulnerable to viruses, fungal infections and parasites, but especially micobacteria, a group of germs similar to tuberculosis that can cause severe lung damage. Researchers are calling this new disease an “adult-onset” immunodeficiency syndrome because it develops later in life and they don’t know why or how.

“Fundamentally, we do not know what’s causing them to make these antibodies,” Browne said.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 11, 2012, 01:44:01 PM
Gained a few pounds while away for just few days.  How easy they come back when you stop eating reasonably and exercising :-\ My run today felt like I had a piano tied to my ass.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on September 11, 2012, 01:51:43 PM
Gained a few pounds while away for just few days.  How easy they come back when you stop eating reasonably and exercising :-\ My run today felt like I had a piano tied to my ass.

Hey! That explains where my piano went!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: ThatLeafsFan on September 11, 2012, 02:22:18 PM
One thing I don't really eat enough of, is fruits/veggies. I was at booster juice the other day and noticed they have bags of fruit/veggies already measured out and stored in baggies in the freezer, pull out what drink is ordered and add a few more things and then throw it in the blender. What a good idea to do at home to have almost ready to go smoothies that are healthy. I am going to start doing this in the next day or two, just need to find some good recipes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: MonikaM on September 11, 2012, 09:43:15 PM
I have tried several times to like kale but it doesn't work. Usually adding ginger, garlic, or garam masala makes things at least palatable to my taste buds. Nothing works for kale! Maybe it's the texture or aftertaste?

Luckily there are lots of other healthy foods I eat so no more beating myself up over the lack of kale.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 16, 2012, 03:45:10 AM
From: http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/43eaab68?page=18#/43eaab68/18 (http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/43eaab68?page=18#/43eaab68/18)

Vitamin D is a fat-soluble nutrient that does not absorb well on an empty stomach or with a small meal.

A study evaluated a small group of people who took Vitamin D on an empty stomach or with a light meal. When these people were instructed instead to take their Vitamin D with their largest meal of the day, there was a remarkable 56.7% increase in serum blood (25-hydroxyvitamin D) levels after two to three months.

This study, conducted at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation Bone Clinic demonstrates how much better fat-soluble nutrients absorb when taken with a meal that contains some fat, which is usually the heaviest meal of the day.

It helps explain why people who take a higher dose of Vitamin D
sometimes fail to achieve optimal blood levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (over 50 ng/ml).

Nutrients that should be taken with heaviest meal of the day include fish oil, lycopene, lutein, zeaxanthin, gamma tocopherol,
astaxanthin, and of course, Vitamin D.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on September 16, 2012, 04:19:00 PM
Gained a few pounds while away for just few days.  How easy they come back when you stop eating reasonably and exercising :-\ My run today felt like I had a piano tied to my ass.

I know what you mean. I've been off the gym for almost a month due to doctors orders and I already feel like a weakling =/
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 16, 2012, 05:58:14 PM
Gained a few pounds while away for just few days.  How easy they come back when you stop eating reasonably and exercising :-\ My run today felt like I had a piano tied to my ass.

I know what you mean. I've been off the gym for almost a month due to doctors orders and I already feel like a weakling =/

Yeah, I've only recently included lifting some weights into my routine and after a few months, I could tell I was getting stronger. Missing a week probably put me back a month or more. I was okay with where I was in the weight but I just couldn't do the reps.   

As a side, I've already lost 5 of the 10 lbs I gained in those 10 days. - I'm guess there was just a lot of water there?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Michael on September 22, 2012, 08:42:24 PM
For anyone interested in knowing more about what you can do without eating meat, dairy, fish etc......

CNN Video (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/health/2012/09/18/sgmd-gupta-rich-roll-fat-to-ultra-fit-dad.cnn)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 23, 2012, 03:07:03 AM
Has anyone tried the LivRelief line of products?

Topical creams with the delivra transdermal delivery system that penetrates more deeply into the skin, be it for pain, wound healing, as well as pre and pro sports workouts.  The entire line is formulated of natural ingredients, compounded to deliver maximum benefits.  Nerve pain, inflammatory pain, any type of pain just about will be diminished.  A better alternative than oral medications, without side effects.

Developed by neuropharmacologist Dr. Joseph Gabriele, with the company based in Burlington, ON,  clinical trials and testing had been ongoing for the past 14 years of research into this unique product.  Endorsed by Bobby Orr and a score of testimonials from individuals.

I'm going to try it soon and see if it helps my inflammatory pain. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Here's a link to the product's website:

http://www.livrelief.com/

Those of you who are working out may be interested in the LivSport line.  Check it out.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 04, 2012, 12:11:40 AM
Was trying on a shirt at a shop on the weekend. When I walked out of the fitting room the sales girl said something like " that looks nice... Shows off your muscles...". Then I said  : "Yeah, but it kind of makes me feel douchey..."

I thought it looked good too but I felt like I was showing off. Part of me says that I've worked hard to look the way I do and should wear things like this... but it just doesnt feel like me.

Still weirds me out sometimes when I get comments or compliments like this. It's been years but inside I still feel like a fat guy.

 There are people in my life who are obese and knew me when I was obese. Some are good friends, some are co-workers and some are just acquaintances. Some avoid the subject of getting healthy like the plague but most bring it up almost everytime we are together.

Anytime I meet or see an obese person I have so much empathy for them. I would like to tell them that I understand but I don't tell them about my weight loss unless they bring the subject up.

I really want to help but I know that the choice isn't mine. The individual has to step up and make the decision for themselves. Advice and encouragement directed at me fell on deaf ears until I decided enough was enough....

This is a weird post... Kind of rambling... No real direction... Just stuff rattling around in my head I guess.

Keep improving people!

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 04, 2012, 07:52:33 AM
I wouldn't worry about it. Maybe the women here can speak to this but after being with my wife for almost 20 years (married for 11) she's still trying to convince me I'm a medium and not a large as far as shirts go.  It drives her nuts when (in her opinion) my cloths are too baggy and feels they should be rather form fitting. Most of my shirts are obviously like that now  ??? but I guess it's just the kind of thing women take notice of. 

Edit: and good for you... Nothing wrong with some pride. Also, keep in mind there's tight and and just silly tight. There's a difference I think... Now I'm rambling on.  :-\ 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 04, 2012, 06:23:22 PM

The shirt was a soft long sleeve and it wasn't tight but it was revealing in that you could see the lines that separate the muscles in my shoulders from my biceps and chest.

Like I said. I think it looked good but I felt mentally gross in it, not physically gross. Maybe after years of being obese I am just conditioned to hide my body?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 04, 2012, 06:42:01 PM
Maybe. If you think it looks good, wear it (unless your significant other says not to.)  :D   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 05, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
I was pretty sick 2/3 weeks ago and am pretty much over it but man, ZERO energy. I've still hit the gym and gone for my runs but I've really just been mailing it in. I wish I had a reset button. Man, I need a boost.  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 06, 2012, 11:38:01 AM
Maybe a couple of full days off Sarge with lots of sleep if possible.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 06, 2012, 11:48:29 AM
Good idea. Thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: ThatLeafsFan on October 06, 2012, 12:35:52 PM
Has anyone tried the LivRelief line of products?

Topical creams with the delivra transdermal delivery system that penetrates more deeply into the skin, be it for pain, wound healing, as well as pre and pro sports workouts.  The entire line is formulated of natural ingredients, compounded to deliver maximum benefits.  Nerve pain, inflammatory pain, any type of pain just about will be diminished.  A better alternative than oral medications, without side effects.

Developed by neuropharmacologist Dr. Joseph Gabriele, with the company based in Burlington, ON,  clinical trials and testing had been ongoing for the past 14 years of research into this unique product.  Endorsed by Bobby Orr and a score of testimonials from individuals.

I'm going to try it soon and see if it helps my inflammatory pain. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Here's a link to the product's website:

http://www.livrelief.com/

Those of you who are working out may be interested in the LivSport line.  Check it out.

Have you tried this out? I'm thinking of picking some up to use on my neck/shoulder from an injury in a car accident last year, looked on the site and found out that a place sells it 1 minute from my condo!!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 06, 2012, 02:10:24 PM
Has anyone tried the LivRelief line of products?

Topical creams with the delivra transdermal delivery system that penetrates more deeply into the skin, be it for pain, wound healing, as well as pre and pro sports workouts.  The entire line is formulated of natural ingredients, compounded to deliver maximum benefits.  Nerve pain, inflammatory pain, any type of pain just about will be diminished.  A better alternative than oral medications, without side effects.

Developed by neuropharmacologist Dr. Joseph Gabriele, with the company based in Burlington, ON,  clinical trials and testing had been ongoing for the past 14 years of research into this unique product.  Endorsed by Bobby Orr and a score of testimonials from individuals.

I'm going to try it soon and see if it helps my inflammatory pain. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Here's a link to the product's website:

http://www.livrelief.com/

Those of you who are working out may be interested in the LivSport line.  Check it out.

Have you tried this out? I'm thinking of picking some up to use on my neck/shoulder from an injury in a car accident last year, looked on the site and found out that a place sells it 1 minute from my condo!!


No Ryan, I haven't tried it yet, partially because none of the stores where I go to (my local Shoppers Drug Mart, health food store, etc.,) carry it. I inquired about it and was told it'll be awhile before it comes in, but they should get it soon.

Let me know how it works for you.  I believe this product to be unique because of it's transdermal penetrating properties unlike other lotions or creams.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on October 06, 2012, 03:27:59 PM
Has anyone tried the LivRelief line of products?

Topical creams with the delivra transdermal delivery system that penetrates more deeply into the skin, be it for pain, wound healing, as well as pre and pro sports workouts.  The entire line is formulated of natural ingredients, compounded to deliver maximum benefits.  Nerve pain, inflammatory pain, any type of pain just about will be diminished.  A better alternative than oral medications, without side effects.

Developed by neuropharmacologist Dr. Joseph Gabriele, with the company based in Burlington, ON,  clinical trials and testing had been ongoing for the past 14 years of research into this unique product.  Endorsed by Bobby Orr and a score of testimonials from individuals.

I'm going to try it soon and see if it helps my inflammatory pain. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Here's a link to the product's website:

http://www.livrelief.com/

Those of you who are working out may be interested in the LivSport line.  Check it out.

Have you tried this out? I'm thinking of picking some up to use on my neck/shoulder from an injury in a car accident last year, looked on the site and found out that a place sells it 1 minute from my condo!!

Nothing says reliable and effective like a compound that has supposed positive benefits in animal models but they don't bother to put together a clinical trial to show the efficacy in humans.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 07, 2012, 07:39:42 AM
Has anyone tried the LivRelief line of products?

Topical creams with the delivra transdermal delivery system that penetrates more deeply into the skin, be it for pain, wound healing, as well as pre and pro sports workouts.  The entire line is formulated of natural ingredients, compounded to deliver maximum benefits.  Nerve pain, inflammatory pain, any type of pain just about will be diminished.  A better alternative than oral medications, without side effects.

Developed by neuropharmacologist Dr. Joseph Gabriele, with the company based in Burlington, ON,  clinical trials and testing had been ongoing for the past 14 years of research into this unique product.  Endorsed by Bobby Orr and a score of testimonials from individuals.

I'm going to try it soon and see if it helps my inflammatory pain. I'll let you all know how it goes.

Here's a link to the product's website:

http://www.livrelief.com/ (http://www.livrelief.com/)

Those of you who are working out may be interested in the LivSport line.  Check it out.

Have you tried this out? I'm thinking of picking some up to use on my neck/shoulder from an injury in a car accident last year, looked on the site and found out that a place sells it 1 minute from my condo!!

Nothing says reliable and effective like a compound that has supposed positive benefits in animal models but they don't bother to put together a clinical trial to show the efficacy in humans.


@L K
It took 14 years of research and clinical trials (yes, with humans included) to come up with this formulation.  Don't know just what you're talking about, but it's endorsed by people who've tried it (Bobby Orr, Dr. Gabriele's own wife, to name a few), plus the above-mentioned.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 08, 2012, 10:51:35 AM
The terrible effects of secondhand smoke...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=16275&Section=Aging...

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 14, 2012, 10:50:25 AM
I went very very slow and jogged 6km in 43 minutes the other night while listening to real mellow tunes. At no time was I struggling or breathing heavy, it just felt effortless. Quite an amazing feeling.  The next day my hip flexors were a bit sore.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 14, 2012, 10:57:52 AM
I really enjoy that too. I don't knock myself either. It's just nice to be out and be alone with my thoughts.   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 14, 2012, 11:03:27 AM
Yeah Sarge. I can see why some runners become avid running people. There is definitely a feeling of freedom or something going on there.... Is that what's referred to as "runners high"?

For me I am not a runner but I was very impressed with myself.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 14, 2012, 11:17:10 AM
I've been running for 3 years now but don't consider myself a "runner." I don't know, it's kind of like golf. - I try to get out as much as I can bit I don't consider myself a "golfer" either. Same deal with tennis. To be honest, I'm not very good at any of these but I enjoy them all immensely. Obviously, I'm getting some kind of a "high" from running otherwise I wouldn't keep going out. With running, I think you nailed it. It's freedom. I've never been concerned about my time. I'd rather do a slow 10 than a fast 5 because it just means I've been out longer, you know?   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 14, 2012, 11:27:40 AM
I know what you mean Sarge.

Running seems to be something I do maybe twice a year. Usually because I don't have access to a gym. This last run was by far the most enjoyable I've ever had. I think in the past I've run too fast and hard to maintain a pace. The relaxing music helped a lot to keep me slow and steady.

The human body is an amazing thing.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 16, 2012, 03:51:13 PM
Odin, today I played golf (played 2 balls actually) and didn't keep score. Made some good shots, made a lot more bad ones but it didn't matter. I was just out enjoying the colours of the leaves. It was an awesome day. That's how I like to approach my running. Some of my best outings have been when I set out without a goal or destination.   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 18, 2012, 05:11:33 AM
I am an avid golfer Sarge. I played well over 100 rounds this year again. Out of all of those rounds I probably kept score maybe 20 times.

I just like being out there and having a membership affords me the option to play 15 holes one day, 24 holes the next.

Or I sometimes play only the 4 par 5's:

1st green to the 9th tee, 9th green to the 10th tee, 10th green to the 18th tee, 18th green to the 10th tee, 10th green to the 9th tee, 9th green to the 1st tee... And then I start the loop again.  I once was able to do it 5 times... 20 par 5's!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2012, 07:54:13 AM
Holy crap, that's awesome! Man, I'm jealous. I really dig your attitude towards the game. At my peak (pre-children, pre-mortgage, etc) I playing about a dozen times a year. Now I'm lucky if I play more than a 3/4 times. I wasn't terribly great back then and obviously, not playing much hasn't helped my game but I still love it. I have loved it since my first decent poke.

BTW, I don't want to leave you with the impression I'm without etiquette a couple of days ago. It was afterall, Oct. 16, overcast and windy/cold, and mid-week. There was absolutely nobody behind us. - I could have played 5 balls.

 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 18, 2012, 03:40:12 PM
Same goes for my par 5 marathon. Course has to be dead for me to play the holes out of order.

The weight loss changed my game a lot. Because my gut was so big I had to swing from outside to in which caused a lot of "over the top" slices. Now I can swing inside to out which lets me draw the ball. I get about 30 more yards drawing a 3 wood vs hitting a high fade.⛳👍
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2012, 03:49:50 PM
The only time I draw a ball, it's by accident.  :) What I really need (almost as much as more practice) is newer technology. I'm playing with what I think are about 15 year-old sticks. I'd like to be playing with sticks about 5 years old. I haven't even begun to shop but I think I can justify a set about that old based on the amount I play. Or, who knows, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 18, 2012, 03:56:41 PM
My clubs are about 5 years old. When I shopped for my latest set of irons I would have paid top dollar for a good set but as it turned out the ones I liked the best were also the cheapest.

My first set of clubs (irons, 3w, 5w, driver, putter, golf bag) cost less than Ping putter I have in my bag now.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2012, 03:58:05 PM
What's a set of 5 year-old, middle-of-the-road sticks cost these days anyway?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on October 18, 2012, 04:05:52 PM
I honestly couldnt tell you.

My irons brand new were only $200 at golf town 5 years ago. They were at one point I think $800 U.S but I guess the were not popular and were not selling. I am playing with a set of Ben Hogans. I love them. I almost went back a week later to buy a second set and just store them in the basement... Kind of wish I had done that now.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2012, 04:13:13 PM
I'm playing with Clevelands (hate 'em.) Even though the Mizunos I had prior to them were even older, I preferred them.  - Never should have gotten rid of them.     
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bates on October 18, 2012, 05:52:25 PM
If you get a chance check out the Burner 2.0 irons. They are very forgiving and can be found online for a decent price. Took slice out of my game and shaved probably 5 strokes off. I now rarely don't hit my irons straight.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 18, 2012, 05:54:45 PM
Okay, thanks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 30, 2012, 01:51:54 PM
Just ran a few miles in the pouring rain. I haven't decided if that was wise or not but I skipped my last work-out and was feeling sluggish so I figured I needed to get moving. I had to stop short as my feet were soaked right through and I've learned my lesson about running with wet feet. Anyway, I figured I had gained a couple to a few pounds so I reluctantly hopped on the scale and was surprised to see that I'm still losing.  I'm about a half inch shy of six feet and I'm down to just 155 lbs. I'm not really dieting and while I know the dangers of sugar, I'm not exactly avoiding it either. I'm crediting this all to a very simple routine;

Day 1: ~30 minutes of HIIT training (I use a stationary cycle.)
Day 2: Off.
Day 3: ~30 minutes of HIIT training.
Day 4: Off.
Day 5: Go for a run. I try to go for at least an hour.
Day 6: Off.

Repeat.

That's it. No diet, really. Just the odd healthy choice when I can. When the mood strikes and I have the time, I might lift a weight or two after my HIIT training but that's really it. I think our bodies just respond better with routine (as simple as it may be.) Anyway, if anyone's interested, give this a try for a couple of months.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on November 04, 2012, 10:15:11 AM
Almost 6 feet and 155 pounds... That is pretty lean dude.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on November 04, 2012, 10:23:01 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that. I just hopped on to the scale and I'm still only at 157 lbs after stuffing my face with chocolate for the past few days and drinking a good amount of rum. - Fine chocolate and a fine rum are a match made in heaven, BTW.  :) Anyway, like I said, I try to build mass when I can but if I don't find the time, I'm not really concerned with it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on November 05, 2012, 12:03:26 AM
At 5'10" it takes me quite a bit of effort to stay below 190.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on November 05, 2012, 02:18:20 AM
190 is as heavy as I've been. As long as you're healthy and carry it well, it doesn't matter much. I'd gladly put another 30 lbs on if meant it would help my blood pressure, cholesterol, and heart... All three of which could be better to say the least.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: pnjunction on November 09, 2012, 02:10:06 AM
I just stepped on my scale for the first time in months and it's pretty bad...232.  I'm 6'1 and heavy set but there's still quite a bit of flab and beer gut.

190 would actually be a target weight for me, although if I put on some more muscle I could probably look and feel pretty good at 200.

I'm just so bad at forcing myself to exercise.  I enjoy it when I start doing it but it's hard getting over that hump and actually go to the gym you know?  Things are slowing down at work, I really don't have any more excuses...there's not even any hockey to watch!

The negative effects are starting to pile up though, besides my appearance and inability to play sports (I get winded real fast) I've been outgrowing clothes and started getting random aches and pains that I probably shouldn't be getting yet at 30...I really need to get it together!
Title: Re: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on November 09, 2012, 03:30:12 AM
Yeah, I'm pretty happy with that. I just hopped on to the scale and I'm still only at 157 lbs after stuffing my face with chocolate for the past few days and drinking a good amount of rum. - Fine chocolate and a fine rum are a match made in heaven, BTW.  :) Anyway, like I said, I try to build mass when I can but if I don't find the time, I'm not really concerned with it.

Im 5'6" and 155. Jesus! Now I feel fat! lol.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on November 09, 2012, 07:12:38 AM
I just stepped on my scale for the first time in months and it's pretty bad...232.  I'm 6'1 and heavy set but there's still quite a bit of flab and beer gut.

190 would actually be a target weight for me, although if I put on some more muscle I could probably look and feel pretty good at 200.

I'm just so bad at forcing myself to exercise.  I enjoy it when I start doing it but it's hard getting over that hump and actually go to the gym you know?  Things are slowing down at work, I really don't have any more excuses...there's not even any hockey to watch!

The negative effects are starting to pile up though, besides my appearance and inability to play sports (I get winded real fast) I've been outgrowing clothes and started getting random aches and pains that I probably shouldn't be getting yet at 30...I really need to get it together!

I outlined a routine that's a whopping 2 hrs every 6 days. Can't you swing that?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on November 09, 2012, 07:48:18 AM
If I can speak for pnj, it's not the time, it's the motivation. Everyone has time. I'm getting more and more out of shape everyday and I hate it, yet I can't get over that hump -- as pnj said -- to actually do something about it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on November 09, 2012, 08:28:47 AM
Ah. Okay. Maybe start with a small goal and reward for setting it? Say, decide to lose 5 lbs and reward yourself with a night out or one of your favorite bottles of wine or whatever you're into?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 09, 2012, 08:52:05 AM
Ah. Okay. Maybe start with a small goal and reward for setting it? Say, decide to lose 5 lbs and reward yourself with a night out or one of your favorite bottles of wine or whatever you're into?

But than I have to get the wife to agree to whatever I'm into  ;D
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on November 09, 2012, 12:02:20 PM
See, the trick there is to convince her its a reward for her.

"as a reward for being such a great wife, you get the pleasure of........."

let me know how it works out for you.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on November 09, 2012, 03:15:02 PM
don't know if this has been mentioned on here but I think regular weighing of oneself is quite the motivator.  for me regular is once a week.  I pick the same day and roughly the same time (after my workout on wednesdays).  I try to keep it as consistent as possible because there are other factors effecting your weight at any given time.  Because of that I think of the weight more as a ballpark figure then an exact sign of where i'm at. 

Marking the weights down over time will give you an idea of the overall trend and rule out other factors like water weight or just what you physically ate that day and isn't yet digested.  This is why i don't weight day to day as the numbers move around too much to really be helpful. 

Early on the motivation from this seems obvious.  The number goes down, you feel good, you keep going.  However as long as you keep weighing yourself whether you've continued to workout and or diet or not, chances are you're going to fight harder to stop that upward trend.

I can't speak for everyone, but for me, I found ignorance to definitely not be my friend.  While I don't think anyone should obsess about their weight, to stop measuring it is only going to make it easier to sit on your ass and not do anything about it.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on November 09, 2012, 03:24:08 PM
Weigh-ins work. That said, I'm not sure it's fair of me to question one's motivation or lack there of. 3+ years ago I was still smoking and 25-30 lbs heavier and I wasn't motivated at all. It took almost drowning in front of my family because I swam out too far and was to unfit to swim back to realize I needed to make some lifestyle changes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on November 09, 2012, 03:28:36 PM
Weigh-ins work. That said, I'm not sure it's fair of me to question one's motivation or lack there of. 3+ years ago I was still smoking and 25-30 lbs heavier and I wasn't motivated at all. It took almost drowning in front of my family because I swam out too far and was to unfit to swim back to realize I needed to make some lifestyle changes.

Obviously the drive has to come from within ..I also had my own reasons for starting the process.  But as i'm sure you know this isn't a short term problem or solution.  It requires ongoing effort.  In my case, for the rest of my life. So I more meant as a supplementary source of motivation as sometimes that initial reason can seem a long way off.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on November 09, 2012, 03:32:02 PM
See, the trick there is to convince her its a reward for her.

"as a reward for being such a great wife, you get the pleasure of........."

let me know how it works out for you.

I'll give it a shot  :D.....

So what workout is there for repairing a kick to the groin?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: pnjunction on November 09, 2012, 05:26:30 PM
I outlined a routine that's a whopping 2 hrs every 6 days. Can't you swing that?

Yeah I can, realistically it would only cut into my 'do nothing' couch-surfing time by less than 10%...

My routines tended to be more weight-heavy, I like the visible progress (in appearance and weight lifted) and that it can increase my resting metabolic rate and allow me to eat a bit more (i also need to get back to an effort at calorie counting which has helped me cut the excess eating in the past).  Usually two days a week where I hit different muscles groups and then put in 1/2 hour of cardio.  If I was really motivated I could get in a third day of cardio like in your routine, but really I just need to get started on ANYTHING right now.  I haven't been to the gym in months.

This week besides hitting the record 232 on the scale my knee also started feeling sore (it has never been a problem but I think this weight is just too much for it), both wake up calls that I should really listen to.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on November 10, 2012, 06:17:28 PM
I spend 6 to 10 hours a week working out.

I weigh myself twice a day everyday. Once when I get up in the morning after doing whatever business needs to be done in the bathroom and again right before going to bed at night.

That's how I've stayed on top of things... But I'm also a little crazy💪
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on December 02, 2012, 06:43:17 AM
Tried doing a variant of circuit training where you combine cardio and weights. Hated it and nearly wanted to kill myself while doing it. I'm gonna stick to good old fashioned weights and cardio either on off days or after the weights. Now if only I can shake off this 10 day bout of bronchitis... It's amazing what stress and bad habits can do!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 09, 2012, 08:01:05 AM
I've been running since thanksgiving. Short slow runs once a week. It's hard but it's having an amazing impact on my other workouts. My endurance seems to be through the roof lately while bike riding or kick boxing.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 09, 2012, 08:19:24 AM
Funny, adding light to moderate workouts has made a noticeable impact to my running... This reminds me of a peanut butter cup commercial.  :)

Anyway, unexpectedly, I made another attempt at the half and failed. I was feeling good on my regular run and I said to myself, "eff it" so I went for it. My calves were on fire and I pulled the plug at about the 16 km mark. I'm beginning to think it's a lost cause unless I decide to use gels or something. Ugh.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on December 09, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
I've been running since thanksgiving.

Wow.  Kinda like Forrest?  Run Odin Run!  Where are you now?  Part way across Canada?? Cool!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 10, 2012, 01:40:44 AM
I've been running since thanksgiving.

Wow.  Kinda like Forrest?  Run Odin Run!  Where are you now?  Part way across Canada?? Cool!

Lieutenant Couchman?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 10, 2012, 01:43:52 AM
Funny, adding light to moderate workouts has made a noticeable impact to my running... This reminds me of a peanut butter cup commercial.  :)

Anyway, unexpectedly, I made another attempt at the half and failed. I was feeling good on my regular run and I said to myself, "eff it" so I went for it. My calves were on fire and I pulled the plug at about the 16 km mark. I'm beginning to think it's a lost cause unless I decide to use gels or something. Ugh.

Those are mind boggling distances to me. I've been doing one 6km run per week and I feel spent when I'm done.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on December 10, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
I've been running since thanksgiving.

Wow.  Kinda like Forrest?  Run Odin Run!  Where are you now?  Part way across Canada?? Cool!

Lieutenant Couchman?

:)  If I run  to the fridge I get winded.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 11, 2012, 08:15:13 AM
I've been running since thanksgiving.

Wow.  Kinda like Forrest?  Run Odin Run!  Where are you now?  Part way across Canada?? Cool!

Lieutenant Couchman?

:)  If I run  to the fridge I get winded.

You should keep a bag of wind ready in the fridge. I'll loan you my boss.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on December 11, 2012, 04:02:01 PM
Man, did I ever fall off the band wagon fitness-wise.  We have been on the road shooting 13 documentaries for APTN.  I am 5'10" and had gone from 239 lbs down to 225 lbs before I started eating at restaurants everyday again.  I am back up to 236 lbs and didn't realize I had crept back up.  Looking to get down to 180 lbs.

Starting over again in the morning.  Hopefully I can lose 2 lbs a week.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 11, 2012, 04:22:17 PM
Not to open up the whole sugar thing again but seriously, just for 10 days, cut it completely out of your life (or as much as you can.) If you can't, at least try the biggies - no pop, no sugar in your coffee, etc... Use vinegar instead of ketchup on your fries and stuff like that... Let me know how much weight you've lost after just 10 days.  ;)   
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on December 11, 2012, 10:51:13 PM
Not to open up the whole sugar thing again but seriously, just for 10 days, cut it completely out of your life (or as much as you can.) If you can't, at least try the biggies - no pop, no sugar in your coffee, etc... Use vinegar instead of ketchup on your fries and stuff like that... Let me know how much weight you've lost after just 10 days.  ;)

You're on.  I will do that with a little bit of exercise each day.  I am thinking I might try to remove wheat as well as limit carbs. 

I am thinking of only drinking water and milk with my V8 juice.  I am being told by friends and family that fruit juices contain a lot of sugar and that diet pop is worse for me than regular pop.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on December 11, 2012, 11:37:59 PM
It's a good idea to drop as many things that contain sugar or that your body converts to sugar as possible (like carbs) to start and yes, juices contain a lot of sugar so be careful. After your body is shocked and begins to naturally burn fat as opposed to sugar, you can read-introduce it at sensible levels. My wife did this and lost 30 lbs. without exercising at all.

I still consume way more sugar than I should but I've managed to keep the weight off. I drink alcohol, eat chocolate, and all the good stuff but I also make healthy choices when I can like for example, using mustard over ketchup on my burgers, dogs, etc. Regarding pop, both diet and regular are bad for you for different reasons. I'm lucky because I generally don't drink the stuff. I might have one glass of pop per week anyway. I read that the average North American consumes 5 lbs. of sugar every 7-10 days with 20% of that in pop alone. If you just cut it out all together, you'll be massively ahead of most people.

Anyway, challenge yourself to go to war on sugar for 10 days and then, like I said, slowly re-introduce it after the 10 days but not to the same level you're currently at. My guess is you'll drop 7 or more pounds in 10 days just by chopping the sugar... Keep me posted!

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on December 13, 2012, 03:03:33 PM
It's a good idea to drop as many things that contain sugar or that your body converts to sugar as possible (like carbs) to start and yes, juices contain a lot of sugar so be careful. After your body is shocked and begins to naturally burn fat as opposed to sugar, you can read-introduce it at sensible levels. My wife did this and lost 30 lbs. without exercising at all.

I still consume way more sugar than I should but I've managed to keep the weight off. I drink alcohol, eat chocolate, and all the good stuff but I also make healthy choices when I can like for example, using mustard over ketchup on my burgers, dogs, etc. Regarding pop, both diet and regular are bad for you for different reasons. I'm lucky because I generally don't drink the stuff. I might have one glass of pop per week anyway. I read that the average North American consumes 5 lbs. of sugar every 7-10 days with 20% of that in pop alone. If you just cut it out all together, you'll be massively ahead of most people.

Anyway, challenge yourself to go to war on sugar for 10 days and then, like I said, slowly re-introduce it after the 10 days but not to the same level you're currently at. My guess is you'll drop 7 or more pounds in 10 days just by chopping the sugar... Keep me posted!

On my 2nd day and it is going better than yesterday as I had ketchup on my hash browns and forgot about the m&m's in my trail mix.  Today I had some sips of a McDonald's Mint Cappuccino before I remembered.

I am doing this though with conviction.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 15, 2012, 02:16:55 PM
It is an interesting personal experiment Bulldog. I knocked almost all sugar out of my diet years ago.

Years ago after about 8 months of strictly following a nutrition plan that didn't include refined sugars I went to a friends wedding and decided to indulge in some deserts. About 20-30 minutes after eating an assortment of goodies my body just went crazy. I might as well of had smoked crack. I wanted to start running laps around the reception building and just sitting there at the table I started to perspire like I was sitting in a sauna.

Part of it is most likely because I had a high reved metabolism through my lifestyle of eating and working out. I think my body just needed to burn off that excess energy that it wasn't used to. Another part of it is I believe we as humans are not supposed to have access to a super concentration of sugar and calories like that.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 02, 2013, 02:44:04 AM
For 2013 I am going to try to limit "cheat" meals to 24 total for the year. They must also be at least 10 days apart.

Not really a resolution but more of a challenge.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 02, 2013, 05:23:56 AM
Good luck with that. For me, I just want to stay reasonably fit. - I gained 7 lbs of pure fat these holidays... and I still have another dinner party to go  :-\
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on January 07, 2013, 02:46:43 PM
I was 360lbs a year or so ago.  Then got down to 350 and stuck there.  If I ate too much, or too little, I still hovered around 360 without really trying to think about my weight.

Then came the crisis in late October this past year when I ended up in a coma on a ventilator in ICU for 3 days.  When I came out of it, the ICU doctor told me it was touch and - not because of the coma - but because of my size, they had a really tough time getting the breathing tube down my chubby throat.  She said that I needed to lose 100lbs at least to reduce those risks again.

So, since getting out of hospital in early November, I've been working hard on diet - trying to eat less wheat and sugars.  No much activity yet, but the my eating over Christmas/New Years has been pretty good.

So a year ago I was 360. In hospital I was hovering around 350.  Today I'm at 311.  It's a long ways to go, but it's encouraging to see the success so far...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 07, 2013, 02:48:26 PM
Well done!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 07, 2013, 02:51:36 PM
Here here!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on January 07, 2013, 04:05:21 PM
That's awesome Rick!  Way to go!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 07, 2013, 04:21:31 PM
That's a great achievement! Once you start incorporating fitness into it, your success will accelerate.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 07, 2013, 04:44:02 PM
Keep up the good work, Rick.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 07, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Good job Rick, keep fighting the good fight!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 08, 2013, 04:26:52 AM
Good job Rick!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 08, 2013, 06:35:40 PM
Figured this might be the best place for this question. I play in an outdoor ball hockey league year-round. The surface is like plasticty tile, and as you can imagine it gets pretty slippery in the winter. Not even just when it snows. Today since the temperature was somewhat high during the afternoon but dropped at night the floor was pretty much ice. Very difficult to get any traction while running. Anyone have any suggestions as to which type of shoe would help me stay off my butt the best?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 09, 2013, 01:50:08 AM
Check out the Running Room or Running Free. You can get winter grips for hour current shoe. It's kind of like a shoe for your shoe.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 09, 2013, 05:40:05 AM
They have purpose-made shoes for this. Look up broom ball or broom hockey shoes. My brother had a pair when he played in an outdoor broom hockey league. They're made for running on an ice surface and have a spongey/rubbery sole that provides tonnes of grip.

http://www.broomball.com/listing.aspx?CID=2
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on January 09, 2013, 08:55:19 AM
Figured this might be the best place for this question. I play in an outdoor ball hockey league year-round. The surface is like plasticty tile, and as you can imagine it gets pretty slippery in the winter. Not even just when it snows. Today since the temperature was somewhat high during the afternoon but dropped at night the floor was pretty much ice. Very difficult to get any traction while running. Anyone have any suggestions as to which type of shoe would help me stay off my butt the best?

Just a question but are you playing at the Powerade Centre?  My son played there in the Fall but didn't want to play outside during the winter, so, he signed up with an Oakville league. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 09, 2013, 11:44:02 AM
Check out the Running Room or Running Free. You can get winter grips for hour current shoe. It's kind of like a shoe for your shoe.

Thanks. There's a running room nearby that I'll check out.

They have purpose-made shoes for this. Look up broom ball or broom hockey shoes. My brother had a pair when he played in an outdoor broom hockey league. They're made for running on an ice surface and have a spongey/rubbery sole that provides tonnes of grip.

http://www.broomball.com/listing.aspx?CID=2

Interesting. Did your brother buy them online or did he find them instores?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 09, 2013, 11:44:15 AM
Figured this might be the best place for this question. I play in an outdoor ball hockey league year-round. The surface is like plasticty tile, and as you can imagine it gets pretty slippery in the winter. Not even just when it snows. Today since the temperature was somewhat high during the afternoon but dropped at night the floor was pretty much ice. Very difficult to get any traction while running. Anyone have any suggestions as to which type of shoe would help me stay off my butt the best?

Just a question but are you playing at the Powerade Centre?  My son played there in the Fall but didn't want to play outside during the winter, so, he signed up with an Oakville league. 

No, I'm playing at Fifty Point in Hamilton.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Justin on January 09, 2013, 12:23:46 PM
Figured this might be the best place for this question. I play in an outdoor ball hockey league year-round. The surface is like plasticty tile, and as you can imagine it gets pretty slippery in the winter. Not even just when it snows. Today since the temperature was somewhat high during the afternoon but dropped at night the floor was pretty much ice. Very difficult to get any traction while running. Anyone have any suggestions as to which type of shoe would help me stay off my butt the best?

Just a question but are you playing at the Powerade Centre?  My son played there in the Fall but didn't want to play outside during the winter, so, he signed up with an Oakville league. 

No, I'm playing at Fifty Point in Hamilton.
I used to play there (only in the spring). Had to quit because the dates I could play conflicted with my schedule. It's really nice, at least when I'm not dealing with winter conditions like you haha.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 09, 2013, 02:03:55 PM
They have purpose-made shoes for this. Look up broom ball or broom hockey shoes. My brother had a pair when he played in an outdoor broom hockey league. They're made for running on an ice surface and have a spongey/rubbery sole that provides tonnes of grip.

http://www.broomball.com/listing.aspx?CID=2

Interesting. Did your brother buy them online or did he find them instores?

Used, from Play-it-Again-Sports.

They're cool. You get good grip, but can still slide a bit.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 09, 2013, 02:21:36 PM
They have purpose-made shoes for this. Look up broom ball or broom hockey shoes. My brother had a pair when he played in an outdoor broom hockey league. They're made for running on an ice surface and have a spongey/rubbery sole that provides tonnes of grip.

http://www.broomball.com/listing.aspx?CID=2

Interesting. Did your brother buy them online or did he find them instores?

Used, from Play-it-Again-Sports.

They're cool. You get good grip, but can still slide a bit.

Yeah they seem to be just what I need. Might be a little hard to track down a pair. I'd imagine used stores would be my only option. Don't think I'll be finding them in a Foot Locker. Are they heavy at all?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 17, 2013, 06:28:38 AM
Thinking of doing the CN Tower climb in April. Money raised goes to the World Wildlife Foundation. 

Almost 1800 steps and 177 floors.😱
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 17, 2013, 06:30:07 AM
Thinking of doing the CN Tower climb in April. Money raised goes to the World Wildlife Foundation. 

Almost 1800 steps and 177 floors.😱

Nice idea... Might do the same.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 24, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
Thinking of doing the CN Tower climb in April. Money raised goes to the World Wildlife Foundation. 

Almost 1800 steps and 177 floors.😱

Nice idea... Might do the same.

So I've just realized that the CN tower is 181 floors but that's from base to the very tip top... The stair case inside is only 144 floors. Each floor is 1 flight of 12 steps.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on January 25, 2013, 11:20:14 AM
I'm training to get to a half marathon in less than 2hrs (21km). My longest run till this winter was about 10km...

I just ran 15km in 75mins, but it was on a treadmill (with no incline). That would put me at (extrapolating)...like 100mins or so for 21km. Which is WAY better than my goal.

Running outside I would assume severely limits your timed runs. Before this winter I hardly ever ran indoors, just basically gave up training during the winter. I wonder if that time I just ran is a result of my increased regularity in running or if it's because of a "juiced" time from the treadmill.

I don't want to wait till april/may to find out.

Also, if I'm at 15km now, what do you think the likelihood is that I can do 21km by May (which is when the Goodlife marathon is)? Like I'm sure I could complete the half marathon right now, but it would involve walking/crawling towards the end.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 25, 2013, 11:21:50 AM
Good for you. Just keep movin'  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on January 25, 2013, 11:30:00 AM
I used to do this with the gf so we could both keep in shape. She's got knee problems, so when I go running with her it's a whole bunch of stop-go-stop.

I don't know what to do...like I want to push her to keep up with both of our gains, but at the same time I'm worried that her knee legitimately can't handle it. She's been to her surgeon recently and he says that she's probably going to have to deal with arthritic pain in her knee for the rest of her life...should I tell her to stay home then rather than run? I have no idea how to handle injuries n stuff as I've been pretty lucky in regards to that.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 25, 2013, 11:32:09 AM
Running isn't for people with bad knees... Got a gym nearby? You could stationary cycle with her. Or, maybe do the real thing? 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: donkeyy0 on January 25, 2013, 11:43:59 AM
Running isn't for people with bad knees... Got a gym nearby? You could stationary cycle with her. Or, maybe do the real thing?

Ya we've got a gym, she's like serriouslyyyyy sporty, she already hates that running is all she's doing anymore, I've actually suggested cycling but she doesn't seem keen. Wants to play soccer, volleyball, basketball. Enroll in leagues and crap. But a 22, her body just isn't up for that...

Man, it's not fair for some people. This girl played OFSAA EVERYTHING till she tore up her tendons playing volleyball. Now...4 years out, she can barely move.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 25, 2013, 12:16:02 PM
Crappy.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 25, 2013, 01:13:12 PM
I've been trying hard the last week or so to cut out saturated fats. It's hard! They're in everything. But I have elevated LDL and total cholesterol levels that I need to lower.

Other goals are to cut back fruit juice and add more whole fruits.

I should probably be more ambitious, but I'm happy starting with small steps right now. I have managed to go a week without buying a chocolate bar, chips, or candy. i've eaten some, but it's the leftover in the house. I'm bad for picking up a chocolate bar here and there while at work. So I've cut out all bad stuff during work hours. Not sure if it's making any difference yet, but I feel good morally, if that counts.  :P
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 25, 2013, 01:21:53 PM
Dude, don't tough the crap around your hose for a few weeks... and no fruit juice! It's so bad for you. It all sugar without the benefits of real fruit. Give it a few weeks of a real effort and then slowly work responsible amounts back in... Talk to me after 4/5 weeks. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 25, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
The fruit juice will be hard to cut out. There are few other drinks that I enjoy, including plain water. I do only drink pure fruit juice, though 1/2 of it is from concentrate. Hard to find juice not from concentrate, other than orange. And I cut it with hard, minimum 1/2 half though usually closer to 1/3 juice, 2/3 water.

I've also never been a fruit eater, so it's a bit tougher to adjust. I eat tonnes of veggies though.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: moon111 on January 25, 2013, 02:51:14 PM
5 months ago we canceled the Shaw Direct.  No T.V. - no Leaf games, no iCarly, no Food Network, etc.  Got membership to the local YMCA they recently built.  Wife has lost 50lbs in 5 months.  She's doing 1/2 hour cardio, some strength exercises, followed by another 1/2 hour of cardio.  Low carb diet.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 25, 2013, 05:02:25 PM
5 months ago we canceled the Shaw Direct.  No T.V. - no Leaf games, no iCarly, no Food Network, etc.  Got membership to the local YMCA they recently built.  Wife has lost 50lbs in 5 months.  She's doing 1/2 hour cardio, some strength exercises, followed by another 1/2 hour of cardio.  Low carb diet.

Fantastic!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on January 26, 2013, 02:46:32 AM
As you folks likely know, I had a near-death experience in late October.  I had a Lithium drug overdose (not intentionally) and got pnemonia, and ended up on a respirator in ICU.  When I came out of the coma, the doctor told me on no uncertain terms that I need to lose 100+ lbs as that was a contributing factor.

So to date, I'm down 45 lbs.  I've been stuck at 45 for a couple weeks, but I'm sure I'll break through it soon enough.  I'm increasing the time on the treadmill slowly.  I'm at 315, down from 360 - and look forward to being under 250 this summer or fall...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 26, 2013, 03:07:59 AM
Incredible story, Rick. I know you'll drop the rest.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on January 26, 2013, 01:30:43 PM
Right on Rick. Consistency WILL get you there. Don't worry about how long it takes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 28, 2013, 03:43:20 PM
I let myself go somewhat after my mum passed and reached my highest weight, not an excuse, but that's the reality.

I've been on a low carb meal plan since the 18th of this month and have lost nearly 23 pounds in ten days, without exercise, I'm pretty happy, even though I know the majority of it is water weight and things will slow down.

Today Mrs Wigwal and I started the "C25K" or Couch to Five Kilometre plan, it's basically a nine week plan that takes you from no exercise to being able to run a 5KM without break.  It was tough, I felt the burn, sore everything pretty much, but as I sit here and type this I feel a sense of achievement that I haven't in some time and that's exciting.

I like that this plan is only three days a week, so I have to time to rest and recover and allow my body to get used to the exertion.

I think I'll incorporate more walking in the off days.

Thanks for all the stories you guys share, you are all really inspiring, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 28, 2013, 04:47:48 PM
So great to hear so many of you are getting fitter and more importantly, healthier.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Peter D. on January 28, 2013, 05:29:55 PM
Can anyone recommend good breakfast options? I'm not a big breakfast person and I usually take something with me to eat at my desk since I want to leave home as quick as possible.

I've done yogurt with granola in the past. I now take one of those sweet and salty granola bars and a couple bananas to tie me over. I try and avoid eating bagels with cream cheese on a consistent basis and I've done a good job of minimizing my muffin/tea biscuit intake to once a week.

Something healthy, filling, and with minimal sugar and sodium. But that may be hard when I go for something quick and convenient.

Prepping something the night before would be easier. Or maybe I just need to wake myself up 15 minutes earlier.

Any help from those more help conscious would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 28, 2013, 05:52:50 PM
If you don't mind fat and protein...

On a Sunday I cook 10 hard boiled eggs and a pack of low sodium bacon, I split the eggs and bacon into five zip locks and just take one each morning.

I keep a jar of hot sauce at work and toss some on there, I usually drink 31 oz of black coffee over ice, with nothing else and a lot of water. 

A salad at lunch, sometimes add bacon or egg to that too.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 28, 2013, 06:47:54 PM
A better alternative to taking a granola to work (since many of them are high in sodium & sugar) would be a breakfast cereal such as Kashi Golean Crunch which is high in fiber, protein, and low in sugar & sodium.

Also, have you tried a protein shake?  A dab of frozen fruits such as berries of a various variety (blueberries, blackberries, etc.) mixed in similar to a smoothie -- and you can add flaxseeds (flaxseed meal a finer powdered flax) for fiber --  will give you all the protein, fiber, and a natural 'sugar' boost to start off your morning.

Be flexible and don't be afraid to eat even a slice of cheese melted o a slice of natural whole wheat (or spelt) bread -- check out Stonemill brand, their breads are devoid of any sugars/glucose/fructose/etc., hence more naturally made, and come in whole wheat or the alternative to wheat which is spelt).

If you invest in either a Magic Bullet or NutriBullet blender -- the latter pulverizes whatever you put in it, even seeds, almonds, etc., with a cup of water added, and makes a juice out of everything.  Not a thick smoothie nor purée but closer to a juice consistency.  The NutriBullet makes everything (and the nutritional content) more absorbable so that the body does not need to assimilate fiber or etc., so much -- it may help you meet your needs better.  Of course, this means you'll need to give yourself a little extra time before leaving for work.

For lunch, as WIGWAL suggested, a salad -- either mixed salad which you can buy at the grocery store, a bit pricier than ordinary salad, or, some Arugula, which tastes a bit bitter but goes great in sandwiches with eggs, or turkey slices (preferably low in sodium, sugar, lactose & nitrite free (Lilydqle brand is recommended or some other natural brand) -- would do well to give you important nutrients from a raw food.  Of course, if you can't eat a salad for lunch, then have it for dinner along with side or two.  Greens foods are one of the most important parts of a dietary regimen and not just for dietary purposes but for our own benefit overall.

Be creative.  Eat smart.  Don't deprive.  :)

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 28, 2013, 07:10:29 PM
P.S. A couple eggs a week won't cause a spike in cholesterol, even though eggs are fatty but it's beneficial for us.  Eggs contain an assortment of vitamins, minerals, not to mention protein, and a modicum of saturated fats (which. by the way, is needed by our bodies up to a certain level).  Hard-boiled (make them either the night before or in the early morning, whichever is more suitable), or even sunny-side up is good.

 I usually either make scrambled eggs or have them sunny-side up (line a pan with some oil using a napkin), and sometimes I hard-boil them and toss them in the salad.  If you don't enjoy eating the white, then just eat the yolk only.  Whichever way is your preference.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 28, 2013, 08:40:53 PM
Obviously you want to avoid crap but I understand that the worst breakfast you can have is the one you DON'T have. You really need to get that metabolism going.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 29, 2013, 01:14:18 AM
Ugghh!  Would you eat this ??!!

http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/shine-food/this-japanese-restaurant-has-a-dirty-little-secret--164612162.html#
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 29, 2013, 04:36:31 AM
28.8 off.

Onwards!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 29, 2013, 04:45:51 AM
If you don't mind fat and protein...

On a Sunday I cook 10 hard boiled eggs and a pack of low sodium bacon, I split the eggs and bacon into five zip locks and just take one each morning.

I keep a jar of hot sauce at work and toss some on there, I usually drink 31 oz of black coffee over ice, with nothing else and a lot of water. 

A salad at lunch, sometimes add bacon or egg to that too.

mmmmm bacon diet.  ohhohohohoh.

My breakfast is a cup of greek yogurt and a cup of cheerios. 

I get bacon on Saturday mornings only due to cholesterol issues. :(
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Peter D. on January 29, 2013, 05:14:21 AM
Thanks for the advice everyone.  Very informative.  I need to try these. :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 29, 2013, 06:14:58 AM
I find a bowl of a good (and organic) granola with almond milk is quite tasty and filling. I've been having Muesli for the last few days, very good! In particular, I've been eating this:

http://www.jordanscereals.co.uk/products/cereals/muesli/

It's delicious. Have to be careful with the ones with dried fruit though, as they can drive up the calories and sugar.

I've also been having one or two cups of yogurt a day, one in the morning around 10 and sometimes another around 2:00 or so. It's hard finding healthy store-bought yogurt. The Astro brand seems to be the best of what's available. We've made home-made yogurt quite a bit, but have been lazy lately. I like mixing granola in with my yogurt.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 29, 2013, 06:24:33 AM
mmmmm bacon diet.  ohhohohohoh.

My breakfast is a cup of greek yogurt and a cup of cheerios. 

I get bacon on Saturday mornings only due to cholesterol issues. :(

There have been studies over the last few years linking the bad cholesterol in our body to our carbohydrate rich diet. Many who have switched to a Paleo/Keto diet believe that animal fat are in almost no way responsible for negative cholesterol build-up.

They key being if you consume a large amount of animal fat and protein, you have to limit the carbohydrate, as together they will create a dangerous mix.

By restricting carbohydrate it allows your body to enter into ketosis, which where it is burning the fat stores in your body for energy, instead of just the carb/sugar your are eating.

Bottom line, drop the bread, double up on the bacon.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Corn Flake on January 29, 2013, 06:41:56 AM
Bottom line, drop the bread, double up on the bacon.

It's a great strategy. :)

Thanks for the info. I'm trying to determine the best diet balance going forward. The high cholesterol diagnosis was a new thing and quite surprising to me.. I'm not overweight (even a bit underweight), I eat reasonably well (low-ish carbs, high protein, minimal fast food) and the only thing I'm not doing is regular excercise, but that only fell off recently.  My only real diet issue was booze but that isn't supposed to contribute to cholesterol. 

I may give your approach a try.

*goes out to buy bacon in bulk*
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on January 29, 2013, 06:50:25 AM
28.8 off.

Onwards!

Kudos!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on January 29, 2013, 06:51:30 AM
mmmmm bacon diet.  ohhohohohoh.

My breakfast is a cup of greek yogurt and a cup of cheerios. 

I get bacon on Saturday mornings only due to cholesterol issues. :(

There have been studies over the last few years linking the bad cholesterol in our body to our carbohydrate rich diet. Many who have switched to a Paleo/Keto diet believe that animal fat are in almost no way responsible for negative cholesterol build-up.

They key being if you consume a large amount of animal fat and protein, you have to limit the carbohydrate, as together they will create a dangerous mix.

By restricting carbohydrate it allows your body to enter into ketosis, which where it is burning the fat stores in your body for energy, instead of just the carb/sugar your are eating.

Bottom line, drop the bread, double up on the bacon.

I give the analogy of you can't put diesel in a gas car or gas in a diesel car and have it run.  Same with carbs and fat/protein.  Either eat very little fat/protein and mostly carbs (hopefully something good for you) or eat mainly fat/protein and very little carbs.

Once you get a week or so into eating low carb, it becomes almost physically impossible to overeat.  Couple strips of bacon and a boiled egg or two and I'm stuffed, for hours.  If I ate the exact same weight of something high carb, say oatmeal or some type of grain cereal, I would be hungry in an hour.

Low carb isn't for everyone, but I love it and it works for me.  Any way of eating that lets you eat bacon and pork rinds, is my kind of eating!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Chett on January 29, 2013, 09:04:10 AM
I'm training to get to a half marathon in less than 2hrs (21km). My longest run till this winter was about 10km...

I just ran 15km in 75mins, but it was on a treadmill (with no incline). That would put me at (extrapolating)...like 100mins or so for 21km. Which is WAY better than my goal.

Running outside I would assume severely limits your timed runs. Before this winter I hardly ever ran indoors, just basically gave up training during the winter. I wonder if that time I just ran is a result of my increased regularity in running or if it's because of a "juiced" time from the treadmill.

I don't want to wait till april/may to find out.

Also, if I'm at 15km now, what do you think the likelihood is that I can do 21km by May (which is when the Goodlife marathon is)? Like I'm sure I could complete the half marathon right now, but it would involve walking/crawling towards the end.

Donkey, a couple points:

75mins/15k is a 5:00/km pace, which would put you at 1:46:00 for the 1/2M - well under your goal, and awesome. As to whether or not your fast time is due to the treadmill being off, or a product of increased running - it could be both. Although, I actually find I'm a lot slower on treadmills when compared to my outdoor runs, but everyone is different. How often are you running, and what kind of runs are you doing? Typically, if you have the time and the motivation, most people training for longer runs like a 1/2M will have a training plan of about 3-4 runs per week.

For example:
Day 1 (i.e. Sat) = Long Run
Day 2 = off
Day 3 = Easy run
Day 4 = Interval Run (~30-45 mins. alternate 5 minutes sustainable/easier pace, couple/few minutes race pace or slightly harder than race pace)
Day 5 = off
Day 6 = run with hills (~30-45 mins, consider doing hill repeats)
Day 7 = off
Every day = stretch!

Can you get up to 21k by May? Absolutely! In fact, most people preach not to run up to race distance in training, and if they do, only once, maybe twice. You should go up to 18-19k maximum a couple of times, and don't consistently go much more than 16k. The rationale being get yourself comfortable and confident with the first 80% or so of the distance, and then let adrenaline and guts get you through the last couple k on race day. If you want any more advice send me a pm. Note: I am not an expert by any means and I offer this advice as my opinion only :) Good luck!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 11, 2013, 01:05:02 PM
Down 40lbs in less than a month, button-up shirts that I couldn't close now fit with plenty of room to spare.

I purchased a recumbent bike and have been doing at least 30 mins to an hour of HiiT on it a day.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 11, 2013, 05:15:28 PM
Fantastic Wigwal!

The bike has always been my staple cardio work.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on February 11, 2013, 05:17:13 PM
Holy crap, WIGWAL! Awesome.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 11, 2013, 05:23:44 PM
Thanks guys, your own stories here and your support are really inspirational. Thank you!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 13, 2013, 11:16:45 AM
I have been doing some kettle bell workouts here and there lately. They can really kick your but and they translate into good functional strength for everyday life.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Chett on February 15, 2013, 10:49:33 PM
Down 40lbs in less than a month, button-up shirts that I couldn't close now fit with plenty of room to spare.

I purchased a recumbent bike and have been doing at least 30 mins to an hour of HiiT on it a day.

That's great. Glad to hear you're doing a lot of cardio to go along with the changed diet.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on February 19, 2013, 06:26:59 PM
I think this is a great visual tool for people considering a low carb lifestyle.

Please give it a try, it may surprise you, an example of one of the many GP's who are coming around to the low carb way of thinking.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtuZLCI7LRI[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtuZLCI7LRI
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 24, 2013, 04:37:01 PM
Been training for the CN tower climb that is happening in April.

The tower climb is 144 floors. Friday night I used the stairs in my buddies building instead of the stair climber at the gym. His building has 14 floors.

I went up 70 floors and down 70 floors (14 floors at a time) in 19:04.

It is tough and my calves are incredibly sore this morning. I havent felt any kind of soreness of this level in a long long time.

My new goal is to complete the tower in under 17 minutes. I chose this time because it seems possible yet very very challenging. I have 9 weeks till the climb.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Deebo on February 26, 2013, 02:21:15 PM
Been training for the CN tower climb that is happening in April.

The tower climb is 144 floors. Friday night I used the stairs in my buddies building instead of the stair climber at the gym. His building has 14 floors.

I went up 70 floors and down 70 floors (14 floors at a time) in 19:04.

It is tough and my calves are incredibly sore this morning. I havent felt any kind of soreness of this level in a long long time.

My new goal is to complete the tower in under 17 minutes. I chose this time because it seems possible yet very very challenging. I have 9 weeks till the climb.

7:52 is the record for climbing the CN tower
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 27, 2013, 06:51:33 AM
Been training for the CN tower climb that is happening in April.

The tower climb is 144 floors. Friday night I used the stairs in my buddies building instead of the stair climber at the gym. His building has 14 floors.

I went up 70 floors and down 70 floors (14 floors at a time) in 19:04.

It is tough and my calves are incredibly sore this morning. I havent felt any kind of soreness of this level in a long long time.

My new goal is to complete the tower in under 17 minutes. I chose this time because it seems possible yet very very challenging. I have 9 weeks till the climb.

7:52 is the record for climbing the CN tower

I know. I'm not going to even come close! LOL.

I like to think I'm in good shape but stairs are no joke. My heart is pounding pretty hard by the 40th floor.

 I wonder what the record holder Weighed at the time? I picture some 90 pound 17 year old Japanese ninja type flying up those stairs.

Scott niedermayer did it in 15 minutes last year. He is only 3 months older than me.
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Post by: Rick Couchman on February 27, 2013, 08:25:27 AM
I could do a floor in the 7:52 range.  Well, going down at least.
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Post by: Sarge on February 27, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
Good luck, Odin... and good for you.
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Post by: Chett on February 27, 2013, 01:12:53 PM
Been training for the CN tower climb that is happening in April.

The tower climb is 144 floors. Friday night I used the stairs in my buddies building instead of the stair climber at the gym. His building has 14 floors.

I went up 70 floors and down 70 floors (14 floors at a time) in 19:04.

It is tough and my calves are incredibly sore this morning. I havent felt any kind of soreness of this level in a long long time.

My new goal is to complete the tower in under 17 minutes. I chose this time because it seems possible yet very very challenging. I have 9 weeks till the climb.

7:52 is the record for climbing the CN tower

I know. I'm not going to even come close! LOL.

I like to think I'm in good shape but stairs are no joke. My heart is pounding pretty hard by the 40th floor.

 I wonder what the record holder Weighed at the time? I picture some 90 pound 17 year old Japanese ninja type flying up those stairs.

Scott niedermayer did it in 15 minutes last year. He is only 3 months older than me.

So you're saying I can beat Scott Niedermayer at something? Awesome! I nearly died a few years ago when I did it. Some advice:

1) If you're doing it with a goal-time in mind it's best to go as early as you can in the day. The first time I tried it we went late morning and I was having to go around a lot of families and groups. The second year we went earlier and it was much better.

2) Use your arms. I used both arms to pull myself on the railings the whole way up - it took some of the work away from the legs. Either way you will be breathing heavy.

Also, the air in the stairwells is very very dry, so breathing that in when you're working hard can be very hard on your chest. I found it very painful by the end, and even felt like I was tasting blood. I don't think there's anything you can do about it, but don't worry, it goes away :)

Good luck, and have fun!

p.s. World Record for ascending on a pogo stick is 57:51, so just make sure you beat that!
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on February 27, 2013, 03:40:39 PM
Thanks for the advice Chett.

 I was planning on being there first thing. I'm from out of town and I could stay with a few different family members but I am thinking I might rent a room at the Rogers center hotel for the night before.  That way I will be right there and will be able to shower and change right after.

I've been training specifically without using handrails with the thought of using them for the actual climb to maybe give me an advantage. I'm also considering adding a weight vest to my stair training.

I was hoping to train 3 times a week for this but it's been 5 days since I did the 140 floors and my calves are still sore.

I think the soreness is from the walking down 70 floors which I was  surprised to find more difficult and slower then going up.
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Post by: Rick Couchman on March 06, 2013, 08:33:47 PM
Has anyone out here done a 'liver' cleanse? I mean one controlled by a doctor or naturopathic doctor? For how long? What were your results? Anyone??
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 01, 2013, 03:50:13 PM
I've got about 3 weeks of training left before my CN Tower climb and I've just gotten sick. Rotten rotten timing.
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Post by: pnjunction on April 20, 2013, 10:19:04 PM
I just stepped on my scale for the first time in months and it's pretty bad...232.
...
I'm just so bad at forcing myself to exercise.  I enjoy it when I start doing it but it's hard getting over that hump and actually go to the gym you know?

So after posting this months ago I predictably didn't do anything about it...until about two weeks ago!

I've been to the gym 6 times in less than 2 weeks and watching what I've been eating.  Down a few pounds already and feeling better during every workout.

The trigger was 2-fold: I turned 31 and realized I will have serious health problems as I get older if I don't start taking care of myself.  Also I have a goal to be in good enough shape to join a hockey league next season.  A friend at work did it last year and had a really fun time, I would love to be able to join his team and not embarrass myself (due to being out of shape anyways...).
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 23, 2013, 12:03:48 PM
Keep it up pnjunction!
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 23, 2013, 12:35:27 PM
Finally decided it was time to cut the bad habits.

I was 190lbs through most of high school. My weight in early January peeked at 225lbs. Since cutting the soda pops and sweets(mostly), I've lost 27lbs. I'd love to get back down to my 190lbs from highschool and I'm only 8lbs away! Now the working out begins! There's no point in being my highschool weight and still out of shape. I'd much rather be my high school weight with my high school fitness.
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Post by: pnjunction on April 23, 2013, 11:11:24 PM
Keep it up pnjunction!

Thanks!

I ate a bit too much on the weekend, but I've been at the gym every day the past 3 days burning it off and hopefully more.  :)

Birthday party for a friend coming up on the weekend, I'll have some beer but I'll keep consumption modest so that it will be easier to burn off.  Old me would've had 5+ pints and done nothing...that's how I got so big.
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 23, 2013, 11:16:06 PM
Keep it up pnjunction!

Thanks!

I ate a bit too much on the weekend, but I've been at the gym every day the past 3 days burning it off and hopefully more.  :)

Well working out regularly will make you hungry and afford you the ability to eat a little more just try to eat more of the good stuff.

Today was my last stair climbing training day before the CN tower on Saturday. Next three days will basically be rest days. I'm looking forward to getting it over with.
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Post by: Sarge on April 23, 2013, 11:26:22 PM
I've completely fallen away from taking care of myself. I haven't run or worked out in a couple months and completely fell off making healthy diet choices. I'm also drinking way more than I should. Part of it is I hurt my back on Easter weekend and have been a little tender since but to be honest, I way already well down the slope at that point. Zero motivation right now.  :-\
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 24, 2013, 11:44:42 AM
How about walking Sarge? The weather is starting to turn. It might be good just to get out and into the sunshine.
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Post by: Sarge on April 24, 2013, 06:01:34 PM
Yeah, maybe a little sunshine will help.  :-\
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 25, 2013, 12:58:38 AM
Yeah, maybe a little sunshine will help.  :-\

Is that sarcasm? I was being serious.

The weather has been beating me down the last couple of months. I'm done with coats and being cold. Enough to the point where I consider moving out of the country.
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 25, 2013, 07:14:32 AM


Today was my last stair climbing training day before the CN tower on Saturday. Next three days will basically be rest days. I'm looking forward to getting it over with.


Good luck to you, Odin, on Saturday!  :)
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Post by: Sarge on April 25, 2013, 07:35:43 AM
Yeah, maybe a little sunshine will help.  :-\

Is that sarcasm? I was being serious.

The weather has been beating me down the last couple of months. I'm done with coats and being cold. Enough to the point where I consider moving out of the country.

No, not at all. It might help but I feel I'd have to start from close to square one again.  That in itself is depressing though.     
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 25, 2013, 10:19:52 AM


Today was my last stair climbing training day before the CN tower on Saturday. Next three days will basically be rest days. I'm looking forward to getting it over with.


Good luck to you, Odin, on Saturday!  :)

Thanks! Still almost 44 hours away but I'm starting to feel that nervous energy. By Saturday morning I should be bursting at the seams to attack those stairs. My big concern will be going too fast too soon.
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 25, 2013, 10:28:34 AM
Yeah, maybe a little sunshine will help.  :-\

Is that sarcasm? I was being serious.

The weather has been beating me down the last couple of months. I'm done with coats and being cold. Enough to the point where I consider moving out of the country.

No, not at all. It might help but I feel I'd have to start from close to square one again.  That in itself is depressing though.     

I understand that, I've been there more than once in my life.

My advice would be not to focus on where you are, instead focus on where you want to be and where you will be. The speed that you travel to that destination isn't important either as long as you move physically and mentally in that direction.
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Post by: Corn Flake on April 25, 2013, 10:36:21 AM
I've completely fallen away from taking care of myself. I haven't run or worked out in a couple months and completely fell off making healthy diet choices. I'm also drinking way more than I should. Part of it is I hurt my back on Easter weekend and have been a little tender since but to be honest, I way already well down the slope at that point. Zero motivation right now.  :-\

This never ending winter/crappy spring has been really tough on the psyche.  Killed my motivation as well.   I dropped 10 lbs in Jan/Feb and gained it back in March/April, mostly due to too much beer and sitting on my arse, waiting to be able to get outside.  Anyway last week I hit the training again and I've managed to blow away 5 of those 10 lbs.  It also helped that I spent 72 hours fighting a flood in the basement when the ice storm took out our power.  Amazing how much cardio carrying 2 buckets of water up the stairs for about 8 hours can do for you!

Just kick yourself in the ass and get it going.  That's all I did (other than the flood thing which I wasn't a fan of!)
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Post by: Sarge on April 25, 2013, 11:13:22 AM
Thanks for the words of advice, guys... and good luck to you Saturday, Odin.
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Post by: AlmosGirl on April 25, 2013, 11:30:29 AM
Good luck Odin.

The whole family had the stomach flu last week.  I lost 7 lbs in 4 days.  Don't recommend getting the stomach flu as a way to lose weight. :P

My energy was completely zapped for the last week and ahalf.  Only really started eating solid food again since Monday and slowing getting my energy back.  I have absolutely zero interest in working out.  Amazing how 1 week being sick and not doing anything can make you lose the will to do it.  Anyways, I'm riding the bike again and slowly working my way back up to the treadmill.  Hopefully by this weekend I can do a light jog.
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Post by: Bender on April 25, 2013, 12:25:44 PM
I still have issues with the crazy cough I had last winter. It's been a few months but it's taking forever to heal correctly - the doc said it might have triggered persistent asthma. Hopefully not, but we'll see. I haven't let that stop me though.

I'm armed with Advair now and able to get back into the gym after a 7 month layoff due to extraneous circumstances. So happy to be back in the gym.
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Post by: AlmosGirl on April 26, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
I still have issues with the crazy cough I had last winter. It's been a few months but it's taking forever to heal correctly - the doc said it might have triggered persistent asthma. Hopefully not, but we'll see. I haven't let that stop me though.

I'm armed with Advair now and able to get back into the gym after a 7 month layoff due to extraneous circumstances. So happy to be back in the gym.

That happened to my daughter.  She got bronchitis and the flu last spring (right before tryouts).  I think she had pneumonia but anyways.  She did a round of antibiotics and the puffers.  Then, beginning of August, she got bronchitis AGAIN.  2x in 6 mths and she'd never had it before.  That one lasted forever.  We had lung xrays done - nothing and the pedi figured that her lungs were just weakened from the 2 bouts of bronchitis (never fully healing), seasonal allergies.  They put her on a specialized program for the puffers and now she still has to use the ventolin when she plays hockey or runs and anytime she gets a little cold, we have to watch that it doesn't go to her lungs. 

She had the flu shot this past fall and it really helped.  No bronchitis this year and she was able to cut down on the ventolin for sports.
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 26, 2013, 02:35:45 PM
I still have issues with the crazy cough I had last winter. It's been a few months but it's taking forever to heal correctly - the doc said it might have triggered persistent asthma. Hopefully not, but we'll see. I haven't let that stop me though.

I'm armed with Advair now and able to get back into the gym after a 7 month layoff due to extraneous circumstances. So happy to be back in the gym.

My daughter is still going through the same thing. She'll get a stomach virus, throw up for 2 days, feel better, get a runny nose, start coughing....rinse repeat approximately every 2 weeks. It's been driving us out of our minds with worry.

We've finally brought her back into the doctors yestersday which led to the hospital for a bunch of blood tests. Poor girl...Brave as heck!

The doctor thinks it may be Celiac. It may of been dormant and triggered when the whooping cough weakened her immune system.

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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 27, 2013, 10:35:40 AM
I completed the tower today at a time of 18:34.

I'm happy with that time. I had a goal for under 20minutes that I later changed to under 17 minutes.

Legs were never an issue but my lungs were on fire. Along the way and after completion I heard and saw 5 different people vomiting.

Most amazing for myself is how I felt post climb. My heart was beating hard, my lungs were burning, I was sweating but barely and my legs and energy level felt like they could do the whole tower again. All amazing because I can still remember weighing over 300 pounds and what that felt like 7ish years ago.

Even now 4 hours later I barely feel like I even worked out. The human body is an amazing thing.
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Post by: Sarge on April 27, 2013, 10:38:54 AM
Woot!
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 27, 2013, 10:40:11 AM
I completed the tower today at a time of 18:34.

I'm happy with that time. I had a goal for under 20minutes that I later changed to under 17 minutes.

Legs were never an issue but my lungs were on fire. Along the way and after completion I heard and saw 5 different people vomiting.

Most amazing for myself is how I felt post climb. My heart was beating hard, my lungs were burning, I was sweating but barely and my legs and energy level felt like they could do the whole tower again. All amazing because I can still remember weighing over 300 pounds and what that felt like 7ish years ago.

Even now 4 hours later I barely feel like I even worked out. The human body is an amazing thing.


Congrats to you, Odin.  :)
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 27, 2013, 05:34:20 PM
Thanks guys. 

As a treat to myself I am going to tonight's game!

....and I've lost count but let's just say I have had "a lot" of beers

.... Maybe this doesn't belong in the health thread.... Lol. 

GO LEAFS GO!
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on April 28, 2013, 10:42:30 PM
Over 40 hours since I completed the climb. Quadriceps and calves are 100% okay, no issues or soreness or weakness etc..

My gut and head from drinking last night is a different story. Crashed hard last night and had a nap this afternoon but I'm still feeling the effects.

Conclusion: climbing the CN Tower stairs is easier than drinking...
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Post by: AlmosGirl on April 30, 2013, 11:25:32 AM
I still have issues with the crazy cough I had last winter. It's been a few months but it's taking forever to heal correctly - the doc said it might have triggered persistent asthma. Hopefully not, but we'll see. I haven't let that stop me though.

I'm armed with Advair now and able to get back into the gym after a 7 month layoff due to extraneous circumstances. So happy to be back in the gym.

My daughter is still going through the same thing. She'll get a stomach virus, throw up for 2 days, feel better, get a runny nose, start coughing....rinse repeat approximately every 2 weeks. It's been driving us out of our minds with worry.

We've finally brought her back into the doctors yestersday which led to the hospital for a bunch of blood tests. Poor girl...Brave as heck!

The doctor thinks it may be Celiac. It may of been dormant and triggered when the whooping cough weakened her immune system.

Sending positive thoughts OTH.


Odin - congrats man!
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 30, 2013, 01:40:10 PM
The importance of 'brain food' -- foods that protect and enhance the brain's functions, and, rid the "accumulation of toxic proteins" which may be a precursor to diseases such as Parkinson's & Alzheimer's.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/27/berries-brain-toxic-proteins-accumulation_n_3133953.html
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Post by: RobDM on May 28, 2013, 12:00:37 PM
For the second year in a row I'll be running in the 5K Scotiabank Rat Race in support of the United Way.

Please feel free to sponsor; any contribution is welcome.
 http://tinyurl.com/robs-race-20130613

Thanks in advance for your support!
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 28, 2013, 12:22:25 PM
I still have issues with the crazy cough I had last winter. It's been a few months but it's taking forever to heal correctly - the doc said it might have triggered persistent asthma. Hopefully not, but we'll see. I haven't let that stop me though.

I'm armed with Advair now and able to get back into the gym after a 7 month layoff due to extraneous circumstances. So happy to be back in the gym.

My daughter is still going through the same thing. She'll get a stomach virus, throw up for 2 days, feel better, get a runny nose, start coughing....rinse repeat approximately every 2 weeks. It's been driving us out of our minds with worry.

We've finally brought her back into the doctors yestersday which led to the hospital for a bunch of blood tests. Poor girl...Brave as heck!

The doctor thinks it may be Celiac. It may of been dormant and triggered when the whooping cough weakened her immune system.

Sending positive thoughts OTH.


Odin - congrats man!

Thanks!

We've gotten the tests back and she checks out clear for just about every ailment under the moon. Which is awesome yet does not answer the questions of why she gets sick so often.

Once again today she's missing school with a horrible cough, head ache and sore tummy....I can't wait for summer!
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Post by: AlmosGirl on June 27, 2013, 02:51:12 PM
I'm glad the tests came back clear but I know it sucks not having an answer as to why. Sometimes, some kids just seem to get more sick than others for no apparent reason. She just may have a week immune system, I know my daughter does.  DH has been sick for almost 4 weeks now and yep, DD got it as well. I only got it slightly but it's annoying because she's had this horrible cough again for 2 weeks now.  Ugh!
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on July 31, 2013, 02:38:38 PM
So I've lost 75lbs in the past six months or so and dropped 4 shirt sizes and I plan on losing quite a bit more. I really owe most of it to my diet, there have been many stretches where I have not really exercised and a couple of occasions where I've fallen off the wagon for a few weeks at a time.

If I'd have done as much exercise as I should have, I'd be well over the 100lbs lost mark.

Despite eating more fats and proteins, recent blood work has shown my blood pressure has continued to improve as has my cholesterol.  It's been pretty simple for me really, insulin resistance caused by carbohydrate overload caused me to pack on the pounds, now that I eat very little carbohydrate, the weight is falling off and my health is improving. 

Here is a pretty amazing TED talk on the subject.

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes.html
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Post by: crazyperfectdevil on July 31, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
So I've lost 75lbs in the past six months or so and dropped 4 shirt sizes and I plan on losing quite a bit more. I really owe most of it to my diet, there have been many stretches where I have not really exercised and a couple of occasions where I've fallen off the wagon for a few weeks at a time.

If I'd have done as much exercise as I should have, I'd be well over the 100lbs lost mark.

Despite eating more fats and proteins, recent blood work has shown my blood pressure has continued to improve as has my cholesterol.  It's been pretty simple for me really, insulin resistance caused by carbohydrate overload caused me to pack on the pounds, now that I eat very little carbohydrate, the weight is falling off and my health is improving. 

Here is a pretty amazing TED talk on the subject.

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes.html

congrats...just want to say if you're beating yourself up on where you could be as opposed to where you are..don't ...it takes a certain amount of will power to work out or to change the way you eat..and that will power isn't infinite ..if it were you wouldn't have to lose any weight to begin with

anyway..again ..congrats keep at it
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Post by: Sarge on July 31, 2013, 02:51:03 PM
(raises my glass.) Well done, WIGWAL!
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Post by: Britishbulldog on July 31, 2013, 02:54:33 PM
So I've lost 75lbs in the past six months or so and dropped 4 shirt sizes and I plan on losing quite a bit more. I really owe most of it to my diet, there have been many stretches where I have not really exercised and a couple of occasions where I've fallen off the wagon for a few weeks at a time.

If I'd have done as much exercise as I should have, I'd be well over the 100lbs lost mark.

Despite eating more fats and proteins, recent blood work has shown my blood pressure has continued to improve as has my cholesterol.  It's been pretty simple for me really, insulin resistance caused by carbohydrate overload caused me to pack on the pounds, now that I eat very little carbohydrate, the weight is falling off and my health is improving. 

Here is a pretty amazing TED talk on the subject.

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes.html

That's great!  A year ago I realized how my weight had crept up and I posted how I was going to get it down, which I did to 229 lbs but then got into a couple of stressful situations with my company and didn't notice that I was slowly putting it back on and more.  I was actually trying to eat healthy and watch portions but didn't realize how often I was cheating.

Last month I was up to 242 lbs.  This morning I am at 231 lbs and slowly but steadily loosing.  No cheating...which wasn't what I ate but when I ate and how much.

I think it was Odin who mentioned here for me to cut out as much added sugar as possible and that is really helping.

My goal is 190 lbs so 41 lbs to go. 

Here is an article that I found that I think is in line with the opinions here:
Daily Intake of Sugar – How Much Sugar Should You Eat Per Day? (http://authoritynutrition.com/how-much-sugar-per-day/)
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Post by: Rob on July 31, 2013, 02:58:34 PM
So I've lost 75lbs in the past six months or so and dropped 4 shirt sizes and I plan on losing quite a bit more. I really owe most of it to my diet, there have been many stretches where I have not really exercised and a couple of occasions where I've fallen off the wagon for a few weeks at a time.

If I'd have done as much exercise as I should have, I'd be well over the 100lbs lost mark.

Despite eating more fats and proteins, recent blood work has shown my blood pressure has continued to improve as has my cholesterol.  It's been pretty simple for me really, insulin resistance caused by carbohydrate overload caused me to pack on the pounds, now that I eat very little carbohydrate, the weight is falling off and my health is improving. 

Here is a pretty amazing TED talk on the subject.

http://www.ted.com/talks/peter_attia_what_if_we_re_wrong_about_diabetes.html

AWESOME!  I love low carb.  My body responds to nothing quite like limiting carbs. 
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Post by: Jalili on July 31, 2013, 03:14:30 PM
That's some good work guys.
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Post by: Stickytape on July 31, 2013, 04:17:33 PM
So I've lost 75lbs in the past six months or so and dropped 4 shirt sizes and I plan on losing quite a bit more. I really owe most of it to my diet, there have been many stretches where I have not really exercised and a couple of occasions where I've fallen off the wagon for a few weeks at a time.

CONGRATS!!

I wanted to highlight the part I quoted above because this is what I think is one of the hardest parts about adjusting your lifestyle: slumps and wagon-off-falling happen, but what counts is not that you never fall off, but that you find it in you to get back up and keep going.  Living healthy is a lifetime commitment.  Keep it up, guy!

And thanks for sharing; these sorts of stories help keep me motivated, too.
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 18, 2013, 10:43:06 PM
Essential sugars our bodies need...the science behind "Glyco-technology"...

http://www.livingsugars.com/
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 21, 2013, 07:57:43 PM
The CMA (Canadian Medical Association) wants  provinces to limit or restrict caffeinated energy drinks to children & adolescents, citing the inherent danger of them especially when mixed with alcohol that can "lead to.:.seizures".

Junk foods along with drinks, of limited nutritionat value & high calories should be "banned in all restaurants in Canada" as a way of combating and lowering the chances of childhood obesity.

For more:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/canadian-medical-association-comes-down-hard-on-nhl-owners-over-hockey-violence/article13897652/
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Post by: leafsweetie on September 16, 2013, 01:34:38 PM
Started Couch to 5k.  Was starting week 5 last week but knew I couldn't do it.  Also was dealing with ankle pain/swollen feet so I didn't finish the first day.  I'm going to go back to week 4 this week.

I'm not doing it to become a runner/run a marathon.  Everyone I know who has lost weight has accomplished it through running.  I've never been able to run (even going back to track in elementary school) so I'm hoping to learn how to do it for more than a minute or two. 
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Post by: Sarge on September 16, 2013, 01:52:09 PM
Awesome. Way to go!
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Post by: TheMightyOdin on September 16, 2013, 04:45:06 PM
Great stuff guys!

keep it up WIGWAL!

And Leafsweetie trust me when I say you can do it if you really want to!
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Post by: crazyperfectdevil on September 16, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
Started Couch to 5k.  Was starting week 5 last week but knew I couldn't do it.  Also was dealing with ankle pain/swollen feet so I didn't finish the first day.  I'm going to go back to week 4 this week.

I'm not doing it to become a runner/run a marathon.  Everyone I know who has lost weight has accomplished it through running.  I've never been able to run (even going back to track in elementary school) so I'm hoping to learn how to do it for more than a minute or two.

you will..humans were built to run..long distance running is kind of our thing.  other animals run faster but none of them run as far.  That being said I remember that feeling..that kind of instant death feeling of not being able to run without panting to have every impulse in your body to scream out stop until you do.  And while paying attention to any pains that come up is important..the i want to die barrier will fade.  and if you can keep stringing together these workouts ..staying consistent ..forming a habit ..i'm sure it'll be sooner than later.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on September 16, 2013, 05:59:51 PM
Way to go everyone, your dedication is inspiring!

Down another 15 pounds, 10 more and it's 100 down.

We can do this folks, keep at it!

Also thanks to everyone for your kind words, this really is a special corner of the web.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: leafsweetie on September 16, 2013, 06:35:38 PM
Way to go everyone, your dedication is inspiring!

Down another 15 pounds, 10 more and it's 100 down.

We can do this folks, keep at it!

Also thanks to everyone for your kind words, this really is a special corner of the web.

Wow that's great!  I've never lost weight so I don't know how it feels :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: leafsweetie on September 16, 2013, 06:37:14 PM
Started Couch to 5k.  Was starting week 5 last week but knew I couldn't do it.  Also was dealing with ankle pain/swollen feet so I didn't finish the first day.  I'm going to go back to week 4 this week.

I'm not doing it to become a runner/run a marathon.  Everyone I know who has lost weight has accomplished it through running.  I've never been able to run (even going back to track in elementary school) so I'm hoping to learn how to do it for more than a minute or two.

if you can keep stringing together these workouts ..staying consistent ..forming a habit ..i'm sure it'll be sooner than later.
. Trying to build the habit for sure!  The issue I have is my legs feel like they're dying pretty quickly.  Breathing seems to be fine so far.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on September 16, 2013, 07:01:19 PM
Started Couch to 5k.  Was starting week 5 last week but knew I couldn't do it.  Also was dealing with ankle pain/swollen feet so I didn't finish the first day.  I'm going to go back to week 4 this week.

I'm not doing it to become a runner/run a marathon.  Everyone I know who has lost weight has accomplished it through running.  I've never been able to run (even going back to track in elementary school) so I'm hoping to learn how to do it for more than a minute or two.

if you can keep stringing together these workouts ..staying consistent ..forming a habit ..i'm sure it'll be sooner than later.
. Trying to build the habit for sure!  The issue I have is my legs feel like they're dying pretty quickly.  Breathing seems to be fine so far.

I jog for about an hour a day ..almost every day ..and there was definitely a point where i couldn't see how i'd ever go for more than a few minutes ..so as others have said ..if you stick with it..you'll get there...it's always going to be exercise ..like you're probably not burning anything if it doesn't feel like work..but it'll be a workload you can handle
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 16, 2013, 08:09:02 PM
I fell completely off the rails. This time last year I was 25 lbs. lighter and had little problem running 10 milers (16k.) Now I can't even do 5k. A couple weeks ago I tried to re-establish a routine with no luck. Man, it's tough. I just can't get back into it.  :-\ 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on September 17, 2013, 12:26:46 AM
I fell completely off the rails. This time last year I was 25 lbs. lighter and had little problem running 10 milers (16k.) Now I can't even do 5k. A couple weeks ago I tried to re-establish a routine with no luck. Man, it's tough. I just can't get back into it.  :-\

You did..it happens.  I think for it to work one's perspective has to make the shift from a short term goal like losing x amount of weight (which is a great motivator to start) to the idea that this is something on going.  like the rest of your life kind of on going. 

So the downside is you've lost that weight and now you have it back on, but the upside is that isn't the final word....because until the unfortunate happens..it goes on.

I personally did a fairly good job of losing about 60lbs..only to gain it all back and more.  That was over 6 years ago.  It was....depressing.  To get back into it I just focused on the routine aspect of it.  I wanted to be in the physical shape i was in before..but i just wasn't and trying to jump in where i'd left off just wasn't going to work.  So i was just going to have to reestablish the routine and then worry about benchmarks.

Still it's frustrating.  In my case what I did was started to walk my aunt's dog.  I had the excuse of getting in activity and doing it for someone else (the dog in this case)  so that allowed me to do a little less comparing my situation to my previous one and just get out there. 

Long story short I lost that weight again and more but as i was saying before ..now it's not over it just continues.  and who knows there might be some time in the future where i let myself fall out of this rhythm and I end up right back where i was.  That's one of the many things i try to use to motivate me on the days where i don't want to do it.  But i hope even if i do end up there again that I take my own advice and just get back to work.  It's a life long effort.

So i know i don't know any details other than what you have posted but I more than believe you can get back to where you were.  Get your routine and once you have it fight for it until it's a habit again.  It just has to be just one of the things you do...and when it comes time to do it..be rigid about it.  Especially in the early going like the first few months.

If you're thinking in any way that you failed..you haven't..you're still trying.  Good Luck.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 17, 2013, 07:17:23 AM
Thanks man.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on September 17, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
Though I've had two days off, I've been exercising for the last two weeks. It's tough to stay motivated when you're out of shape because, well, exercise is hard and takes effort and us fatties don't like effort.

That said, I've been fairly successful. I'm slowly getting to the point where it's becoming a routine; where if I miss an exercise I feel guilty.

I think the key for me so far is taking it easy. I usually jump right in and start working out hard core and then fail. This time I'm doing my best to ease into it. I'm not looking at a scale, I'm just getting active. I've decided to try running. It's not something I've ever really done.......and I'm not hating it. I actually kind of like the "alone time." Just you and your thoughts and some good music. In only two weeks I've gone from walking 200 m/jogging 200m to walking 50 m/jogging 1km. My 5k time has dropped from 42 minutes to 33 minutes. That's terrible by athletic standards, but I'm feeling good about it. It gives me goals. My next goal is jogging 5k with no walking breaks; I don't care what my time is.

I've also been doing one day a week of high intensity exercise, like a kickboxing workout. Only 20 minutes, try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et7gWmKJaEA

Natalie Yco from Jillian Michael's 30 day shred. Simple but tough workout. And I'm sorry this is going to be misogynistic, but she's very easy on the eyes, though by the second half of the workout you won't be looking at her but rather cursing her. :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stickytape on September 17, 2013, 09:36:16 AM
Started Couch to 5k.  Was starting week 5 last week but knew I couldn't do it.  Also was dealing with ankle pain/swollen feet so I didn't finish the first day.  I'm going to go back to week 4 this week.

I'm not doing it to become a runner/run a marathon.  Everyone I know who has lost weight has accomplished it through running.  I've never been able to run (even going back to track in elementary school) so I'm hoping to learn how to do it for more than a minute or two.
Week 5 was brutal for me, too; I repeated week 4 a couple times, and I think a lot of people do.  That first 20-minute run is really daunting and totally kicked my ass.

At first I was pretty bummed out that I was going off-script, and I definitely thought about quitting.  But at some point I realized that repeating week 4, or whatever week I could, was better than just outright quitting.  I basically told myself that if this is the best I can do, like, ever, then it's still better than where I started.  I knew I was still burning calories, I was still working up a sweat, and it was still a big improvement from where I started.

And it turns out I was still improving, and eventually broke out and finished week 5.  From there I basically stayed off-script and ran at my own pace, and eventually finished my 5k at around week 11 or 12.

I don't run very often, though; I'm still not built for running, and don't do well with the impact.  Instead, I cycle in the spring and summers, and swim in fall and winter (and I have a bike indoors).  It's hard to beat the sheer intensity of running, and I'm glad I've at least proven to myself that I can do it, but it isn't the only way.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on September 17, 2013, 10:28:21 AM
Thanks man.

I have been steadily gaining weight the last 10 years.  At 5'10" I was 155 when I got married. Was about 165 when I was 30.  Last June I was 242 after yo-yoing between 232 and 239 for 2 years.  Since my 45th birthday was May 31st and my 25th anniversary is this November 12th, 2013, I determined to start to get back to where I needed to be.

I didn't have much extra money with 2 kids going for college and my oldest daughter, her husband and my 1st grandson living with us as university students with small student loans.  I found an exercise bike someone threw away and started pedaling when I could.  I got to 228 by only pedaling when I had chance and removing as much processed sugar out of my diet as was suggested here (I think by Mighty Odin).  Then the rickety bike broke.  I am still around 230 simply through a somewhat healthy diet which is good news.  The better news is my son-in-law (who through working lots of overtime, etc and moved out to their own place again with my daughter and grandson) has been moonlighting at YMCA and he got me a free month pass yesterday.  He has taken on the role as my trainer and is committed to see me get in shape and lose weight.  (I think it is lovingly but he is pushing pretty hard...  :D )

After 2 days in the gym with him, which has caused me to make personal changes in my schedule as I haven't been concerned about making time for it, I can say without ANY uncertainty that I will lose weight.  Surprisingly, it isn't because of the calories being burned.  It is because my arms are so rubbery now that I can lift food to my mouth.

The key for me?  Getting together with someone else as I won't skip it because it will let them down.  I have done this in my 20's and early 30's but won't stop exercising now ever again even if it is just walking when I am old, old, old.

Please don't give up Dr BL and LeafsSweetie.  Let's see if we can all do this together!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 17, 2013, 10:48:18 AM
He has taken on the role as my trainer and is committed to see me get in shape and lose weight.  (I think it is lovingly but he is pushing pretty hard...  :D )

I think he's hoping he's in the will :D

Good job bulldog. I brought it back down to 195lbs this past spring/early summer and since then have ridden the wave of summer foods back to 220lbs. Time to cut this out. I agree that having someone you won't back out on is a great motivator!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on September 17, 2013, 10:53:55 AM
Good stuff, BF and 'dog...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: leafsweetie on September 18, 2013, 11:49:26 AM
Please don't give up Dr BL and LeafsSweetie.  Let's see if we can all do this together!

Going to keep at it! 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on September 18, 2013, 12:59:58 PM
Though I've had two days off, I've been exercising for the last two weeks. It's tough to stay motivated when you're out of shape because, well, exercise is hard and takes effort and us fatties don't like effort.

That said, I've been fairly successful. I'm slowly getting to the point where it's becoming a routine; where if I miss an exercise I feel guilty.

I think the key for me so far is taking it easy. I usually jump right in and start working out hard core and then fail. This time I'm doing my best to ease into it. I'm not looking at a scale, I'm just getting active. I've decided to try running. It's not something I've ever really done.......and I'm not hating it. I actually kind of like the "alone time." Just you and your thoughts and some good music. In only two weeks I've gone from walking 200 m/jogging 200m to walking 50 m/jogging 1km. My 5k time has dropped from 42 minutes to 33 minutes. That's terrible by athletic standards, but I'm feeling good about it. It gives me goals. My next goal is jogging 5k with no walking breaks; I don't care what my time is.

I've also been doing one day a week of high intensity exercise, like a kickboxing workout. Only 20 minutes, try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et7gWmKJaEA

Natalie Yco from Jillian Michael's 30 day shred. Simple but tough workout. And I'm sorry this is going to be misogynistic, but she's very easy on the eyes, though by the second half of the workout you won't be looking at her but rather cursing her. :)

You'll eventually not feel guilty, you'll just feel bewildered that you're missing something from your normal day haha.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on September 18, 2013, 01:09:49 PM
After being sick for three months, getting healthy, going to vacay and dealing with all the nonsense happening at work, I'm finally able to get back into the gym. I live a 1hr15m commute from work, which is torture. It really puts a hamper on things. Luckily I'm probably going to be moving to a new job that cuts my travel time in half :)

I'm trying to lose fat and gain strength at the same time. I know some people say this is not possible but I think I can do it since I'm starting from scratch essentially again.

I'm really digging Scooby's Workshop, the guy seems knowledgeable and the great thing about him is he doesn't want to sell you anything, and he constantly drives the point home that you don't need to spend a lot.

http://scoobysworkshop.com/intermediate-workout-plan/

I'm doing this routine right now and getting some cardio in afterwards when I can.

Any opinions on this, Odin?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 19, 2013, 11:49:51 AM
Chronic pain connection in the brain:  New research shows some surprising facts...

http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=20974&Section=Aging (http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=20974&Section=Aging)"
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: leafsweetie on September 20, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
I had to take week 5 off and started back up at week 4 this week.  I can't seem to get past that 3 minute jog.  I struggle with the rest of the runs.  Any tips to keep my endurance going?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on September 20, 2013, 01:08:09 PM
I got guilted at work today by a patient after trying to give my usual physical activity lecture.  Time to start over again.  Just topped out over 200 pounds again (5'10") and my ideal is probably more in the 170-175 range.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on September 20, 2013, 01:58:27 PM
After being sick for three months, getting healthy, going to vacay and dealing with all the nonsense happening at work, I'm finally able to get back into the gym. I live a 1hr15m commute from work, which is torture. It really puts a hamper on things. Luckily I'm probably going to be moving to a new job that cuts my travel time in half :)

I'm trying to lose fat and gain strength at the same time. I know some people say this is not possible but I think I can do it since I'm starting from scratch essentially again.

I'm really digging Scooby's Workshop, the guy seems knowledgeable and the great thing about him is he doesn't want to sell you anything, and he constantly drives the point home that you don't need to spend a lot.

http://scoobysworkshop.com/intermediate-workout-plan/

I'm doing this routine right now and getting some cardio in afterwards when I can.

Any opinions on this, Odin?

Keep at it Bender. As long as you feel "pushed" to get through the workouts with good form you will get results.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: pnjunction on October 02, 2013, 01:42:22 PM
I played organized hockey for the first time in my life yesterday (made me miss the Leafs opener but oh well).  Only touched the puck a few times but I felt OK physically, mostly just out of sync with the game.  I was nervous because I haven't even been to the gym since my back acted up a couple of months ago.

The plan is to play twice a week (league game and pick-up) all winter, which besides being fun will also help me get in shape.  I'm pretty excited, hockey is something I've wanted to do all my life!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on October 28, 2013, 02:18:15 PM
Hey, do any of you folks use any supplements while cutting or losing weight?

I'm thinking CLA, Fish Oil, a good vitamin, etc...  Anyone?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 28, 2013, 02:24:43 PM
Hey Rick,

This helped me quite a bit a few years back... I was feeling fantastic while on it and working out... I really need to get back to it.  :-\

(http://www.betterbabyhealth.ca/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x400/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/s/u/super_efa_200_j.jpg)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on October 28, 2013, 04:30:45 PM
Hey Rick,

This helped me quite a bit a few years back... I was feeling fantastic while on it and working out... I really need to get back to it.  :-\


I'll look for it.  We have a pretty big health food store here in Cambridge.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on October 28, 2013, 04:31:41 PM
I'm also considering getting a trainer at my local gym, if the price is right (cheap).
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 28, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
Hey Rick,

This helped me quite a bit a few years back... I was feeling fantastic while on it and working out... I really need to get back to it.  :-\


I'll look for it.  We have a pretty big health food store here in Cambridge.

It's actually only very slightly "fishy." I had no problem taking a spoon-full. It can also disappear into say, a salad dressing, sauce, or smoothie if need be. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 29, 2013, 03:30:35 PM
Hey Rick,

This helped me quite a bit a few years back... I was feeling fantastic while on it and working out... I really need to get back to it.  :-\


I'll look for it.  We have a pretty big health food store here in Cambridge.


I've been taking liquid fish oil (up to 2 tablespoons/day) for qute some time and it's helped me manage my knee pains somewhat, plus helps the cardiovascular (heart), brain, whole body.  EFAs (Essential Fatty Acids) are vital to our bodies.  Fish Oil contains mostly Omega 3 EPA/DHA.

Trusted brands (pharmaceutical-grade/excellent standards): NutraSea by Ascenta Health, O3Mega by Genuine Health, Tristar Naturals brand (practitioner's series) endorsed by Dr. Rona MD, Msc. who practices integrative/alternative medicine.  Personally speaking, Tristar makes the best liquid (capsules available too) fish oil.  Might not be available at various health food stores, though.

Those of you who wish to get all of your EFAs such as Omega 3,6,9 may want to try Udo's 'Choice (non-fish oil supplement and one of the best on the market of it's particular kind).

As for vitamins, perhaps a powdered or liquid vitamin may be a preference for some in lieu of the capsule variety.  There are a few brands, very few that actually make a balanced powdered/liquid vitamin mix containing protein and/or non-protein versions. 

Trusted brands: (capsules -- tablets don't break down well) AOR, Platinum Naturals line (one of the best),  Sisu, Natural Factors
(tablets), etc.

If you would like to supplement further, a good powdered greens drink such as VegGreens by Progressive Naturals, or even other greens powders are good.  Some mix fruit or all fruit (berries) such as Progressive's line.  Ask your health food store about these.

Powders can be mixed in your favourite juice or even water if you prefer.  Liquid or powdered vitamins, as difficult to find them in terms of complete multi-vitamin multi-mineral formulations preferably with protein (from non-animal sources), offer the best forms of absorption.
Capsules, or softgels, are far superior to tablets for both absorption and metabolization.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CaptainObvious on October 30, 2013, 09:04:29 PM
I'm also considering getting a trainer at my local gym, if the price is right (cheap).
You get what you pay for Rick. Cheap isn't necessarily good unless motivation is the key??...then it's good just to have someone around, but a veteran trainer will isolate really what's going on as well creating a program to achieve your goals.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on October 31, 2013, 09:23:28 AM
You get what you pay for Rick. Cheap isn't necessarily good unless motivation is the key??...then it's good just to have someone around, but a veteran trainer will isolate really what's going on as well creating a program to achieve your goals.

Yeah, makes total sense.  We'll see what my gym has to offer...
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on October 31, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
Breakfast today:  A bowl of fat-free yogurt, 1% cottage cheese and a little granola.  Mmm.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 31, 2013, 07:55:18 PM
Throw in some strawberries or raspberries, Rick, and I'm on board.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Sarge on October 31, 2013, 08:15:48 PM
Blueberries. A "super-Food." Or, so I'm told.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on May 05, 2014, 07:12:12 PM
Back into the weight loss and getting healthy transformation.  This time I hired a personal trainer who I see twice a week for now.  She kicks my ass pretty good.  It's expensive but I have to find some form of fitness.  I'm tied in for a year - so I'd better get used to the ass-kickin'!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on May 05, 2014, 07:50:57 PM
Good luck man. I'm at the stage in life where I could stand to drop about 15 or 20....  It used to be that i could eat whatever I wanted. What happened?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: applecheeks on May 06, 2014, 11:10:44 AM
You get what you pay for Rick. Cheap isn't necessarily good unless motivation is the key??...then it's good just to have someone around, but a veteran trainer will isolate really what's going on as well creating a program to achieve your goals.

Yeah, makes total sense.  We'll see what my gym has to offer...

If you can find a trainer who works out of their home, low overhead and cuts out the middle man (gym) you get a more intimate one on one instruction. Even better as what I did, you learn how to do those exercises and go to your gym of choice. Go back to your trainer for up dates. I was paying approx. <$50/hr. and went back once a quarterly and get a tune up.
And yes, you get what you pay for. Stick to it, we'll be much better for it. and good investment in ourselves.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Peter D. on May 07, 2014, 06:24:19 PM
Does anyone have a healthier alternative to Gatorade to replenish with after a game? Besides water.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: louisstamos on May 07, 2014, 07:10:13 PM
Does anyone have a healthier alternative to Gatorade to replenish with after a game? Besides water.

I've heard good things about Coconut water.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: TheMightyOdin on May 11, 2014, 11:29:47 AM
Does anyone have a healthier alternative to Gatorade to replenish with after a game? Besides water.

Water and a piece of fruit.

Apple, orange, banana, peach, nectarine... Whatever you like that day.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on May 13, 2014, 11:12:56 AM
Does anyone have a healthier alternative to Gatorade to replenish with after a game? Besides water.

I've heard good things about Coconut water.

+1
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Leafs71 on May 25, 2014, 06:56:58 PM
Does anyone have a healthier alternative to Gatorade to replenish with after a game? Besides water.

I wasn't aware there was anything other than beer.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on June 20, 2014, 09:23:33 AM
I just biked in to work for the first time today. I didn't mind it at all even though I work in the core. I turned on a one way incorrectly and had to walk my bike to the building... the only glitch so far. Getting out of the core might be another story... but I think I should be able to take the Lakeshore, which I hope will be nice :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Coco-puffs on June 20, 2014, 11:44:59 AM
I just biked in to work for the first time today. I didn't mind it at all even though I work in the core. I turned on a one way incorrectly and had to walk my bike to the building... the only glitch so far. Getting out of the core might be another story... but I think I should be able to take the Lakeshore, which I hope will be nice :)

Which route did you take into work?  Are you heading east or west out of the core?  Heading west is a pain right now because the best route (Queens Quay) is completely ripped up.  I hate it so much I tend to just go east whenever I go for an evening workout.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on June 20, 2014, 03:33:25 PM
I come from the East end and head West to get downtown. I take Dundas most of the way with its dedicated bike lanes. I did kind of make a wrong turn this morning and almost made a left on Adelaide (one wayyyy)!

I'm trying to figure out the best way to go home now... I really want to use the lakeshore bike path, but as you said there are so many streets that are completely ripped up.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Peter D. on September 09, 2014, 02:06:33 PM
A question for those with nutritional knowledge:

How do Kraft peanut butter and PC Organics peanut butter have the essentially the same nutritional content for the same serving size?  The only difference is the Kraft pb has 50% more saturated fat per serving and contains 3% of your daily amount of sodium compared to 0% for the PC kind.

The Kraft pb lists more ingredients (including sugar) compared to the simple 100% peanuts found in the Organics pb, yet the calories, fat content and grams of sugar are identical.  I've always been skeptical about organic products, and this certainly doesn't dissuade that.

I was using the Organics for a while, but have since gone back to Kraft since I find it to be a better taste and texture.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 09, 2014, 03:22:34 PM
Rosie Schwartz fills you in on what the majority of Canadian peanut butter is made from - you’ll be surprised!

http://www.peanutbureau.ca/MainMenu/Media-Resources/News/Think-peanut-butter-is-mostly-peanuts-Think-again.html

http://www.eatingwell.com/blogs/health_blog/what_is_in_a_healthy_peanut_butter (http://www.eatingwell.com/blogs/health_blog/what_is_in_a_healthy_peanut_butter)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rob on September 09, 2014, 07:52:17 PM
A question for those with nutritional knowledge:

How do Kraft peanut butter and PC Organics peanut butter have the essentially the same nutritional content for the same serving size?  The only difference is the Kraft pb has 50% more saturated fat per serving and contains 3% of your daily amount of sodium compared to 0% for the PC kind.

The Kraft pb lists more ingredients (including sugar) compared to the simple 100% peanuts found in the Organics pb, yet the calories, fat content and grams of sugar are identical.  I've always been skeptical about organic products, and this certainly doesn't dissuade that.

I was using the Organics for a while, but have since gone back to Kraft since I find it to be a better taste and texture.

Kraft is adding sugar and oil to their PB, at least the regular one. 

PC has another PB that isn't organic, is just as good as the organic one, and doesn't contain sugar or added oil.

If you are a Costco shopper, their Kirkland brand PB is 100% peanuts and is very good.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Britishbulldog on September 10, 2014, 12:14:18 AM
Just a little update on my health.  I have dropped from 245 in June to weighing in at 227 today.  A little over a pound a week.  My 5'10" frame is starting to feel good enough to exercise and I am sleeping better now as well.

Just got a stationary 'fan wheel' bike with the moving handles like cross country skiing so I am hoping to get to 220 by October 1st.  Losing the weight as well as leaving the small multimedia company last June that bought me out 8 years has me feeling better than I have for 7 years.

My wife this summer replaced my peanut butter with the Kirkland stuff.  After I pouted for a bit I must say that I don't mind it now.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: AlmosGirl on September 18, 2014, 02:40:26 PM
Good job BBD!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Rick Couchman on September 18, 2014, 02:57:00 PM
Good job BBD!

That is a good transformation.  Nice!

I still go to a trainer weekly.  But I'm failing to eat well and exercise on my own the rest of the week.  I gotta get my ass in gear!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 15, 2014, 11:07:36 AM
I was looking for a thread on health as there is an article on Cancer in the Globe and Mail this Saturday nov.15 in regards to players and staff in the NHL and cancer.  The Ottawa GM Murray has come out and said he has stage 4 colon Cancer and is hoping to extend his life thru chemo but admits this will only ad a short period. He admits and asks for us all to get Colonoscopies, as his cancer could have been found and treated if he had had one.  This is the most preventable form of cancer.

I am urging all of you especially over 50 to go and get a colonoscopy. I just did my third one yesterday, they found 2 Polyps, better than the 7 they found 3 years ago. Because of this I am cleared for 5 more years of worry about Colon cancer.   My sister died of Colon cancer a few years back for like Murray she didnt go for a colonoscopy. She was to afraid to go.
I can tell you there is nothing to fear, you are put to sleep for the procedure, wake up and go home knowing you have one less thing to worry about.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: caveman on November 15, 2014, 04:25:55 PM
Michael Farber does an excellent interview with Murray. If you can spare 7 minutes watch it through to the end including the comments by Aaron Ward....it's a wake up call for many when a public figure is stricken..

http://www.tsn.ca/video/bryan-murray-s-ultimate-battle-1.134604
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Leafs71 on November 15, 2014, 04:35:09 PM
I can tell you there is nothing to fear, you are put to sleep for the procedure, wake up and go home knowing you have one less thing to worry about.

Agreed, it really isn't that big a deal. The worst part is drinking the stuff to clean you out; the procedure is nothing.

I wish I could be athletic again; I look at people with healthy knees who can't motivate themselves to exercise, and it makes me sad. I'd love to do marathons and triathlons again, skate hard, and push myself, which was my way of dealing with work and life stress. Its been difficult.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 16, 2014, 08:28:35 AM
They have changed the protocol, you now drink powder from 3 sachets over 2 days, yes and quite a bit of water.  The stuff cleans you out the same way as the gross liquid but is a lot softer on the movements.
So please please go get on you guys over 50. Thanks
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on November 16, 2014, 10:09:24 AM
They have changed the protocol, you now drink powder from 3 sachets over 2 days, yes and quite a bit of water.  The stuff cleans you out the same way as the gross liquid but is a lot softer on the movements.
So please please go get on you guys over 50. Thanks

Just to be clear, it isn't a set protocol.  Different General Surgeons/Gastroenterologists will use different protocols.  The preps are all basically the same thing, an osmotic laxative (draw water into the gut to flush everything out) but there are a whole bunch of different ones that vary in terms of taste and how much you have to drink.

Some people use something called Citromag. That's usually a bowel prep where you drink essentially a pop can worth of laxative but also have to drink like 7-10 glasses of water before/after taking it.

There are some people who use something called PEG3350.  That's used to be one where you would drink 4L of it over two days.  Some people will have you drink a couple of sachets of it over a few days.

I can't second Highlander enough on getting your colonoscopy at 50 (or 10 years before the earliest diagnosis of colon cancer in your parents/siblings).  As much as the Fecal Occult Blood test (that poo swab test) is a screening test, what it is screening for is something that has already grown to a size significant enough to cause bleeding.  It's also non-specific as diverticulitis and a plethora of other things can cause bleeding.  A clean colonoscopy with no family history is a once every 10 years test. 

Absolutely, it's unpleasant.  Both psychologically and and sometimes from a discomfort standpoint afterward (that's usually gas that didn't get removed from the colon at the end of the procedure).

Colonscopy really does save lives.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 18, 2014, 02:39:34 PM
Good for you (sic)...


....seasonal flu vaccines...contain high levels of neurotoxic mercury. Vials of batch flu vaccine produced by British pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) were found to contain upwards of 51 parts per million of mercury, or 25,000 times the legal maximum for drinking water established by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

...has sparked many venomous attacks from angry pro-vaxxers who insist that mercury is completely safe. Either that or they claim that mercury is no longer being added to vaccines, a detestable lie that continues to harm the most vulnerable among us, including innocent children.

You can see for yourself on the official drug insert for FluLaval, the flu vaccine evaluated by Natural News, that the vaccine does, indeed, contain mercury.

Check out complete article here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/045705_flu_vaccine_mercury_heavy_metals.html


Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 18, 2014, 02:54:12 PM
Very nice (sic)...

- vaccines are capable of inducing prolonged activation of the brain's microglia immune cells. This prolonged activation is associated with diseases like multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and vaccine-related encephalitis.

- Many vaccines and flu shots contain aluminum, which serves as a delivery vehicle, for helping certain components stay soluble. Do some research on aluminum hydroxide, aluminum phosphate and potassium aluminum sulfate, and you may never get another flu shot in your life.

- Sorbitol is in almost every diet food, diet drink, gum, breath mint, eye drop and contact lens solution. Fooling the body because it tastes sweet, this softening agent fuels the development of colon cancer because the body cannot process and excrete it properly. Sorbitol is a known carcinogen that maintains the softness for food and gives eye care products that slippery feel.

- Poloxamer 407, the key ingredient in most mouthwashes, is a detergent. It causes bladder cancer in animals. Long term use of mouthwashes is associated with an increased risk of mouth and throat cancers. Listerine contains Poloxamer 407.

- phenoxyethanol, a popular antibacterial and preservative chemical often referred to as natural by organic skin care brands. Phenoxyethanol can act as an endocrine disruptor, causing damage to the bladder, brain, and nervous system in animals. Try not to forget that humans are also animals.

Check out complete article here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033939_emulsifiers_food_additives.html

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 18, 2014, 03:20:44 PM
Some surprising (and disturbing facts):

...the concentration of mercury found in this GSK flu shot was 100 times higher than the highest level of mercury we've ever tested in contaminated fish. And yet vaccines are injected directly into the body, making them many times more toxic than anything ingested orally.

As my previous research into foods has already documented, mercury consumed orally is easily blocked by eating common foods like strawberries or peanut butter, both of which bind with and capture about 90% of dietary mercury.

Here are the actual results...found in the influenza vaccine from GSK (lot #9H2GX):

Aluminum: 0.4 ppm
Arsenic: zero
Cadmium: zero
Lead: zero
Mercury: 51 ppm

All tests were conducted via calibrated, high-end ICP-MS instrumentation...

The existence of high mercury in flu shots is irrefutable.

Anyone who claims mercury has been removed from all vaccines is either wildly ignorant or willfully lying.

... two former Merck virologists filed a False Claims Act with the federal government, accusing the company of knowingly fabricating its vaccine efficacy data to trick the FDA.

Ever wonder what all these toxic chemicals and heavy metals cause in humans? Flu shots vaccines, it turns out, are already known to cause a huge number of devastating health effects.

...the flu shot has been linked with a long, frightening list of serious adverse effects:

vomiting
chest pain
allergic edema of the mouth
anaphylaxis
laryngitis
cullulitis
muscle weakness
arthritis
dizziness
paresthesia
tremor
somnolence
Guillian-Barre syndrome
convulsions / seizures
facial or cranial nerve paralysis
encephalopathy
limb paralysis
insomnia
dyspnea
sweating"

GlaxoSmithKline, for example, not only manufacturers this Flulaval vaccine... the company also committed multiple felony crimes and got caught bribing doctors, ultimately agreeing to pay a multi-billion-dollar criminal settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice.

...not an opponent of the theory of vaccination. What I'm against is the continued use of toxic heavy metals and chemicals in vaccines. I'm also opposed to the wildly fraudulent marketing of vaccines. If any other product were marketed with the same lies and deceptions as vaccines, they would be immediately charged with fraud and misrepresentation by the FTC. But somehow when the vaccine industry commits routine fraud, everybody pretends it isn't happening.

More here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/045418_flu_shots_influenza_vaccines_mercury.html
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on November 18, 2014, 04:14:38 PM
Some surprising (and disturbing facts):

...the concentration of mercury found in this GSK flu shot was 100 times higher than the highest level of mercury we've ever tested in contaminated fish. And yet vaccines are injected directly into the body, making them many times more toxic than anything ingested orally.

As my previous research into foods has already documented, mercury consumed orally is easily blocked by eating common foods like strawberries or peanut butter, both of which bind with and capture about 90% of dietary mercury.

Here are the actual results...found in the influenza vaccine from GSK (lot #9H2GX):

Aluminum: 0.4 ppm
Arsenic: zero
Cadmium: zero
Lead: zero
Mercury: 51 ppm

All tests were conducted via calibrated, high-end ICP-MS instrumentation...

The existence of high mercury in flu shots is irrefutable.

Anyone who claims mercury has been removed from all vaccines is either wildly ignorant or willfully lying.

... two former Merck virologists filed a False Claims Act with the federal government, accusing the company of knowingly fabricating its vaccine efficacy data to trick the FDA.

Ever wonder what all these toxic chemicals and heavy metals cause in humans? Flu shots vaccines, it turns out, are already known to cause a huge number of devastating health effects.

...the flu shot has been linked with a long, frightening list of serious adverse effects:

vomiting
chest pain
allergic edema of the mouth
anaphylaxis
laryngitis
cullulitis
muscle weakness
arthritis
dizziness
paresthesia
tremor
somnolence
Guillian-Barre syndrome
convulsions / seizures
facial or cranial nerve paralysis
encephalopathy
limb paralysis
insomnia
dyspnea
sweating"

GlaxoSmithKline, for example, not only manufacturers this Flulaval vaccine... the company also committed multiple felony crimes and got caught bribing doctors, ultimately agreeing to pay a multi-billion-dollar criminal settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice.

...not an opponent of the theory of vaccination. What I'm against is the continued use of toxic heavy metals and chemicals in vaccines. I'm also opposed to the wildly fraudulent marketing of vaccines. If any other product were marketed with the same lies and deceptions as vaccines, they would be immediately charged with fraud and misrepresentation by the FTC. But somehow when the vaccine industry commits routine fraud, everybody pretends it isn't happening.

More here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/045418_flu_shots_influenza_vaccines_mercury.html

If there is a lot of debate on the subject - which judging by the comments section of a website that's name is inherently biased, there is - then these are not facts.

Just because a website promotes fear mongering doesn't mean there is anything to fear. I agree, people should be skeptical to some extent, but at the end of the day more people have been saved by vaccines than by refusing them and no amount of fear mongering can change that fact.

I love how they have damage control at the end of it all. They sound totally on a mission against vaccination, and while big pharma does make a lot of money, flu vaccines are nothing compared to all the other drugs they sell. Moreover just because something has "chemicals" in it doesn't mean it's bad. Everything is considered a chemical: The food you eat, the liquids you drink, your body is breaking these things down into chemicals your body can absorb.

It's also funny that they mention companies bribing doctors and lawyers but make no mention of one of the biggest cons in history: Having people believe vaccines cause autism so children are unvaccinated. I wonder how many have died because of it.

http://tallguywrites.livejournal.com/148012.html
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on November 18, 2014, 04:22:59 PM
As a follow up:

http://gizmodo.com/setting-the-record-straight-debunking-all-the-flu-vacc-1455630807

Quote
Myth #4: Flu vaccines can cause Alzheimer’s disease. (They can’t.)

This myth is even addressed on the Alzheimer’s Association website, where they note the2001 study showing a *reduced* risk of Alzheimer’s among those who had received flu vaccines, the polio vaccine and the tetanus and diphtheria vaccines. In fact, the risk for developing Alzheimer’s was half as much for those receiving these vaccines. The myth originated with a quack named Hugh Fudenberg who has no evidence for the claim.

Meanwhile, seniors are at a higher risk for flu complications and death and are recommended to get the flu vaccine each year, particularly the inactivated (not live) vaccine for those over 65 years old. The intradermal flu vaccine is also not recommended for those over 65. (Side note: some worry about aluminum in vaccines causing Alzheimer’s — except that flu shotsdon’t contain aluminum and aluminum does not cause Alzheimer’s.)

I find it comical that someone would be worried about Alzheimers but not worried about the possibility of death via complications of the flu, especially in older people who are at risk.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on November 18, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
And one more because I'm agitated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnrKK_4jAY4
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on November 18, 2014, 06:00:21 PM
Sign me up for some of those magical doctor bribes.  They never seem to come across my desk.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 19, 2014, 02:26:33 AM
Just because a website promotes fear mongering doesn't mean there is anything to fear. I agree, people should be skeptical to some extent, but at the end of the day more people have been saved by vaccines than by refusing them and no amount of fear mongering can change that fact.

I love how they have damage control at the end of it all. They sound totally on a mission against vaccination, and while big pharma does make a lot of money, flu vaccines are nothing compared to all the other drugs they sell. Moreover just because something has "chemicals" in it doesn't mean it's bad. Everything is considered a chemical: The food you eat, the liquids you drink, your body is breaking these things down into chemicals your body can absorb.


True.  Even 'natural' products contain 'chemicals', as even the author of the website acknowledges in another article.

Very few products natural are truly devoid of any traces of one or two 'chemicals'.  There are those that are very pure, certified organic, and state exactly what the product contains.

My M.D., who also practises naturopathic  medicine, said that just because a product is natural doesn't necessarily mean it's all good,  More often than not, some products sold is health food stores, etc., don't all state what's really inside the bottle and it it really does contain what it's supposed to, including it's efficacy.  He is a harsh critic of products (& companies) that don't live up to their merits.  He endorses only those products & manufacturers of health food   and supplements that have been tested and approved as being  outstanding in delivering their benefits to consumers/patients.

Not everything is created equal.  There are discrepancies everywhere, yes, even in the health food field.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 19, 2014, 10:02:33 AM
I highly recommend something called N-A-C which my phamacist/doc put me on last summer. you can buy it at any health food store or you can order on-line in eppervesant tablets.
Basically NAC goes into your system and makes your liver produce a substance that helps your lungs break up mucas and helps you breath. It has been a godsend to me.  The by-product is that is very good for your liver health and I swear to god, helps with the morning after…a few two many drinks.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 19, 2014, 10:22:27 AM
Even 'natural' products contain 'chemicals', as even the author of the website acknowledges in another article.

Very few products natural are truly devoid of any traces of one or two 'chemicals'.  There are those that are very pure, certified organic, and state exactly what the product contains.

Even pure water is a chemical.  There's is literally nothing a person could consume that isn't chemicals.  If you don't consume chemicals, you die very soon for the absolute lack of any nutrition or hydration.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 19, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
Even 'natural' products contain 'chemicals', as even the author of the website acknowledges in another article.

Very few products natural are truly devoid of any traces of one or two 'chemicals'.  There are those that are very pure, certified organic, and state exactly what the product contains.

Even pure water is a chemical.  There's is literally nothing a person could consume that isn't chemicals.  If you don't consume chemicals, you die very soon for the absolute lack of any nutrition or hydration.


Ah, but it's a natural chemical.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: bustaheims on November 19, 2014, 03:16:40 PM
Ah, but it's a natural chemical.  :)

All chemicals are natural. There's nothing on the planet that is truly man made. All we can do is repurpose naturally existing things.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on November 19, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
Even 'natural' products contain 'chemicals', as even the author of the website acknowledges in another article.

Very few products natural are truly devoid of any traces of one or two 'chemicals'.  There are those that are very pure, certified organic, and state exactly what the product contains.

Even pure water is a chemical.  There's is literally nothing a person could consume that isn't chemicals.  If you don't consume chemicals, you die very soon for the absolute lack of any nutrition or hydration.


Ah, but it's a natural chemical.  :)

Hemlock is natural. See how you feel after drinking it.

Whether it's natural or not is not relevant to whether it's safe for us to ingest or not. The only thing that matters is safety, not origin. There's plenty of natural things that are safe and plenty that aren't. There's plenty that are man-made and plenty that aren't. That's about it unless you look at it case by case, which really is the only way to determie if something is safe or not, not sweeping generalizations.

I'd drink a can of slurm right now if it was proven safe.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on November 19, 2014, 04:54:39 PM
I highly recommend something called N-A-C which my phamacist/doc put me on last summer. you can buy it at any health food store or you can order on-line in eppervesant tablets.
Basically NAC goes into your system and makes your liver produce a substance that helps your lungs break up mucas and helps you breath. It has been a godsend to me.  The by-product is that is very good for your liver health and I swear to god, helps with the morning after…a few two many drinks.

Yes and no.  N-Acetylcysteine does have a mucolytic effect (it breaks down mucus) and can actually have a positive effect on inflammation if given in high doses.  We use it a lot in the hospital with Cystic Fibrosis patients and COPD patients who are having trouble being weaned off ventilation. 

N-Acetylcysteine does have a little bit of hepatic protection, but it's main use in protecting the liver is more in tylenol overdose.  The routine liver protection is questionable as the mechanism of action really only works in settings of excessive N-Acetyl-p-benzoquinine imine (NAPQI) or depletion of glutathione stores (not really an issue ever unless you have a metabolic disease  that you have been followed for since being a child).  The antioxidant effects are questionable at best in any literature.

It does have a few other indications although the mechanism of action is still debated and there are conflicting studies on just how beneficial it is. 

You do have to be a little careful with Acetylcysteine though. In some cases it can actually make your bronchospasms worse.

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 20, 2014, 08:53:57 AM
Appreciate the info LK.   All i can say is it has worked wonders for me with my lungs, just had bloodworks and liver was fine. 
I can attest it does help cure a hangover taken just before bed or in the morning if need be.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on November 25, 2014, 07:09:14 PM
Worth noting...nothing new that isn't already suspected...

http://globalnews.ca/video/1692297/dr-gupta-explains-the-good-and-bad-of-working-with-pharma
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on November 26, 2014, 03:57:26 PM
My Uncle was the top Pharmaceutical salesman in Canada back in the 50-60's for Roussel.  No education but a helluva personality, today you need medical degrees to sell  pharma drugs. Lets face it, it is as big a business of oil and the lobbies in the U.S. are scary.  If we find a cure for cancer will it be released or buried, I have my questions on these things.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on November 26, 2014, 06:33:00 PM
My Uncle was the top Pharmaceutical salesman in Canada back in the 50-60's for Roussel.  No education but a helluva personality, today you need medical degrees to sell  pharma drugs. Lets face it, it is as big a business of oil and the lobbies in the U.S. are scary.  If we find a cure for cancer will it be released or buried, I have my questions on these things.
I really don't see any purpose in holding back a cancer curing drug. Scientists would be up in arms over it completely. I don't think companies have the ability to suppress information like they may have used to, and I'm really not against big Pharma at all if their products are actually helpful. Can anyone really argue against Ibuprofen for example?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on December 08, 2014, 11:30:51 AM
I would hope so with Cancer and have some dollars invested in a cure coming out ot Australia.
However it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that big oil spent decades on supressing any other form of energy production that would lessen their grip on the sector.
Even today with the dropping oil prices one would think this will not be helping the wind/solar sectors.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 18, 2015, 10:15:46 AM
Re: Vitamin D study (Sports Medicine): as per athletes & body mass composition

"Excess body fat or obesity is known to increase risk of poor vitamin D status in nonathletes but it is not known if this is the case in athletes. Furthermore, the reason for this association is not understood, but is thought to be due to either sequestration of the fat-soluble vitamin within adipose tissue or the effect of volume dilution related to obese individuals' larger body size."

...results suggest that athletes with a large body size and/or excess adiposity may be at higher risk for vitamin D insufficiency and deficiency."

...the research concluded: "In addition, the significant association between serum 25(OH)D concentration and fat mass in the mixed model, which remained after controlling for sex, is in support of vitamin D sequestration rather than volume dilution as an explanation for such association."


http://www.lef.org/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=23842&Section=Vitamins (http://www.lef.org/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=23842&Section=Vitamins)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on May 27, 2015, 11:25:08 PM
Thought that this was an interesting article:

http://io9.com/i-fooled-millions-into-thinking-chocolate-helps-weight-1707251800

Basic jist is that a journalist was tasked with trying to convince people that eating chocolate could help people lose weight by using some pretty flawed science/experiments. Unsurprisingly he pulled it off, and explains how in the article.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 31, 2015, 05:12:47 AM
New weight loss advice: keep it simple and balanced:

-Load up on low-glycemic foods
-Eat more of these protein-rich foods
-Don't worry so much about full-fat dairy
-Balance your meals
-Quit obsessing over calories

For the details to the above, go to:
http://www.lef.org/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=23894&Section=Nutrition
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 08, 2015, 08:33:14 AM
The way medicine should be...the integrative approach:

A new study has shed light on how cancer patients' attitudes and beliefs drive the use of complementary and alternative medicine. Published early online in CANCER, a peer-reviewed journal of the American Cancer Society, the findings may help hospitals develop more effective and accessible integrative oncology services for patients.

...patients who were younger, those who were female, and those who had a college education tended to expect greater benefits from complementary and alternative medicine....Attitudes and beliefs about complementary and alternative medicine were much more likely to affect patients' use than clinical and demographic characteristics.

"We found that specific attitudes and beliefs -- such as expectation of therapeutic benefits, patient-perceived barriers regarding cost and access, and opinions of patients' physician and family members -- may predict patients' use of complementary and alternative medicine following cancer diagnoses," said Dr. Mao. "We also found that these beliefs and attitudes varied by key socio-demographic factors such as sex, race, and education, which highlights the need for a more individualized approach when clinically integrating complementary and alternative medicine into conventional cancer care.

...therapies such as acupuncture and yoga continue to demonstrate clinical benefits for reducing pain, fatigue, and psychological distress, the field of integrative oncology is emerging to bring complementary and alternative medicine together with conventional care to improve patient outcomes.

"Our findings emphasize the importance of patients' attitudes and beliefs about complementary and alternative medicine as we seek to develop integrative oncology programs in academic medical centers and community hospitals," said Dr. Bauml.

Read article here:
http://www.lef.org/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=23918&Section=Disease
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on July 07, 2015, 01:54:34 PM
After being sick for three months, getting healthy, going to vacay and dealing with all the nonsense happening at work, I'm finally able to get back into the gym. I live a 1hr15m commute from work, which is torture. It really puts a hamper on things. Luckily I'm probably going to be moving to a new job that cuts my travel time in half :)

I'm trying to lose fat and gain strength at the same time. I know some people say this is not possible but I think I can do it since I'm starting from scratch essentially again.

I'm really digging Scooby's Workshop, the guy seems knowledgeable and the great thing about him is he doesn't want to sell you anything, and he constantly drives the point home that you don't need to spend a lot.

http://scoobysworkshop.com/intermediate-workout-plan/

I'm doing this routine right now and getting some cardio in afterwards when I can.

Any opinions on this, Odin?

Keep at it Bender. As long as you feel "pushed" to get through the workouts with good form you will get results.

I just wanted to follow up on this. I finally committed to a workout and meal plan for six months (minus a couple weeks off for vacation and illness).

I am going to the gym 5-6 days a week and eating 6-7 small meals a day trying to meat my macros and eat 1g per lb of bodyweight per day.

The results have been impressive so far. I went on a four month "cutting" program and lost 20lbs and dropped to about 15% Bodyfat. I am now in the midst of a clean, light bulk, now trying to put on some muscle.

It's become very exciting. And I can take my mind off of so much other nonsense and concentrate on making myself better.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Stebro on July 18, 2015, 03:47:45 AM
I need to get in shape again. I keep on doing the right thing for a few weeks, and then I'm like "meh, I'll just have some soda and some candy"..."yeah, and maybe I'll have some potato chips too"..and then I screw up all the work I did in the previous weeks. I used to be very disciplined for a while, I went to the gym at 5 am every morning to be alone :D I really need to start going to the gym again, but I need to work on my motivation.  ::)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on July 19, 2015, 11:13:11 AM
I need to get in shape again. I keep on doing the right thing for a few weeks, and then I'm like "meh, I'll just have some soda and some candy"..."yeah, and maybe I'll have some potato chips too"..and then I screw up all the work I did in the previous weeks. I used to be very disciplined for a while, I went to the gym at 5 am every morning to be alone :D I really need to start going to the gym again, but I need to work on my motivation.  ::)
It's interesting, I found a video by Elliott Hulse saying you shouldn't rely on inspiration, and motivation is literally just discipline.

I've cheated a bit the last few days due to birthdays and whatnot but I plan on being back on track soon.

Also I completed my first Spartan Race on Saturday. Woo!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 18, 2016, 04:49:26 PM
Eat your greens!

A recent study says that leafy vegetables such as lettuce, spinach and kale and nitrate-rich vegetables are associated with lowering the risk of primary open-angle glaucoma by 20 to 30 percent.

This new study found people who ate a nitrate-rich diet had lower levels of primary open-angle glaucoma (POAG), a rare condition which involves chronic or acute sudden painful build-up of pressure in the eye.


http://www.lifeextension.com/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=24783&Section=Nutrition
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on January 18, 2016, 06:52:31 PM
started hiking again now the weather is improving in AZ. Was astounded to see that I am burning over 1200 calories in two hours according to the hiking calculators on weight, time per mile, vertical feet climbed and time of hike. Then you burn another 200 C later in the day as you body is still processing. Three hikes and feel like a new man. And eating micro greens like they are going out of style.
Only problem is I like to wash it down with Tequila or two
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on January 23, 2016, 07:29:39 PM
My Uncle was the top Pharmaceutical salesman in Canada back in the 50-60's for Roussel.  No education but a helluva personality, today you need medical degrees to sell  pharma drugs. Lets face it, it is as big a business of oil and the lobbies in the U.S. are scary.  If we find a cure for cancer will it be released or buried, I have my questions on these things.

Digging up an old comment but this is honestly frustrating when I read stuff like this.  No-one is suppressing a treatment for cancer.  You can't cure, to the point of eradication, DNA damage.  It's not like Polio or Small pox where it's an actual foreign pathogen. 

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 24, 2016, 04:14:38 PM
My Uncle was the top Pharmaceutical salesman in Canada back in the 50-60's for Roussel.  No education but a helluva personality, today you need medical degrees to sell  pharma drugs. Lets face it, it is as big a business of oil and the lobbies in the U.S. are scary.  If we find a cure for cancer will it be released or buried, I have my questions on these things.

Digging up an old comment but this is honestly frustrating when I read stuff like this.  No-one is suppressing a treatment for cancer.  You can't cure, to the point of eradication, DNA damage.  It's not like Polio or Small pox where it's an actual foreign pathogen. 


Anyone who doesn't believe that there has been no "cancer cure" suppression in medical history is naïve.

Throughout time, there have been many stories and documentations of individuals -- medical people be it researchers, doctors, etc., people such as Canada's heroic nurse Reneé Caisse,  who was brutally suppressed by being harangued in various ways by the then Ontario government of the day, the cancer establishment, for having given people hope with a formula called Essiac.  There was more than documented evidence, proof actually, that it helped people with cancer.

The above is just a case in point.  There are countless others.  The Cancer Treatment Centers of America, with their comprehensive approach to cancer,  (which includes yes, naturpathic medicine), first started up in Zion, Illinois.  They were warned not to open such a clinic, but they plowed on and expanded their facilities.  While they don't prefess to 'cure' all cancers, they give people the hope with their unique approach to cancer therapy including using various applications with Chemotherapy modalities, and the latest technologies (Cyberknife, Cryotherapy, Tomotherapy, IORT, etc.).

It doesn't take 100 years of purported cancer research to focus on how best to deal with this dreaded malady.  Only because of the advent of technology, has research obviously spearheaded.  Still, throughout the histories, there has been suppression of a various kind.  Remember Pasteur vs Bechamps?  Pasteur's version of the theory of disease, by his own admission, was flawed.  Bechamps was not.  The pharmaceuticals took Pasteur's theory (of treating the symptoms and not the root cause) as it worked very well for them (drug-wise & profit-wise).
Bechamps was villified, discredited, and left dispirited by this establishment.

(in later years, Pasteur, then retired and not involved with the medical community anymore, asked how everything was going as surely people's health must be improving, curing whatever ailed them, etcetera.  Much to his consternation, he found out that the opposite was quite true.  Taking it upon himself to do his own quiet research of this whole medical picture, he soon realized the truth of the times,  and in his own words uttered the foolowing: "Andre (Bechamps) was right and I was wrong.  The germ is nothing, the milieu is everything.  My God, what Have I unleashed!").

I don't personally believe in one cancer cure.  That doesn't make any sense.  The one size fits all does not, not just for cancer, but towards other disease mechanisms.  As Roy Rife noted, (another story of suppression here by the AMA & co.), using the then Rife Microscope, looking right down to the "ocean floor" of the cancer specimen, the cancer virus is not dead even if on the surface it appears dormant.  He discovered a way to render these cancer cells dead, (controversial at the time), and he also discovered that pigs carried the cancer virus. 
(More than a few years ago, doctors noted that Jewish people  had the lowest rates of cancer of any cultural group, and it's more than coincidence doctors said, that they don't eat pork.  Italians ironically had one of the highest.  Deli pork products have been highly consumed on the Italian menu).   Don't know if this is still applicable today with emphasis on healthier eating and overall general well-being.  If the cultural pendulum is the same or has shifted....

Anyways, what's irksome is when one says there is no cancer suppression, as if there had never been.  Wake up!  It was there and perhaps today it may not be as prevalent anymore, since diabetes is now being called the next epidemic.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on January 24, 2016, 07:47:43 PM
I'm really not going to read all this, but my thinking is this: There is no point in suppressing medicine when plenty of people would give everything they own to not die from it.

Do you think David Bowie would rather have his $130million fortune or give it all away to, you know, not die. If people with high net worth, of high status get and die of cancer then I think it's reasonable to conclude that there is no cover up. Beyond the, you know, overwhelming amount of evidence from NON-BIASED scientists, who are required to state their conflicts of interest in peer reviewed medical journals.

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Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: sickbeast on January 24, 2016, 09:07:34 PM
If you guys want my opinion on what causes cancer, it is the industrial revolution.  We are causing cancer with all the chemicals that we pump out into our environment.  We were not meant to live this way.  Once we start taking better care of our environment we will see the cancer rates drop.  Not just that but we need to lobby our government about all the additives that go into our food supply.  Canada is one of only two countries on earth that allow the additives to the food we eat every day.  Then there are all the genetically modified foods.  The preservatives.  Do you guys know how long a can of soup can sit on a grocery store shelf before it goes bad?   Years and years.  The same goes for most things in a grocery store.

I don't think cancer can or will ever be cured.  It needs to be prevented.  As others have said, cancer is damage to your DNA it's damage at the cellular level.

All of that being said, I can't ever imagine all of society suddenly making the drastic changes necessary to completely eliminate cancer.  It's really sad but it just looks like it's never going to happen.  Certainly not in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 24, 2016, 10:26:27 PM
Know what would lower the cancer rates?

Stop being such a healthy society that we live into our 80's instead of our 50's. Since 1950 -- only 65 years ago -- life expectancy at birth for developed nations has risen from around 65 years to around 79 years. All this despite cancer, industrial pollution, big pharma trying to profit off our misery and even the chemtrailz!!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 24, 2016, 10:31:13 PM
...
I don't personally believe in one cancer cure.  That doesn't make any sense.  The one size fits all does not, not just for cancer, but towards other disease mechanisms.  As Roy Rife noted, (another story of suppression here by the AMA & co.), using the then Rife Microscope, looking right down to the "ocean floor" of the cancer specimen, the cancer virus is not dead even if on the surface it appears dormant.  He discovered a way to render these cancer cells dead, (controversial at the time), and he also discovered that pigs carried the cancer virus. 
(More than a few years ago, doctors noted that Jewish people  had the lowest rates of cancer of any cultural group, and it's more than coincidence doctors said, that they don't eat pork.  Italians ironically had one of the highest.  Deli pork products have been highly consumed on the Italian menu).   Don't know if this is still applicable today with emphasis on healthier eating and overall general well-being.  If the cultural pendulum is the same or has shifted....

Did you honestly just quote someone who claims cancer is a virus?

But I thought it was caused by our bodies being too acidic?

No, no... that's wrong. It's actually a fungus related to candida yeast.

Oh, and of course chemotherapy kills more people than it cures.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 25, 2016, 01:41:04 AM
National Cancer Institute and American Cancer Society skewered in new book by leading cancer expert

Long article but a worthy read.  He speaks of prevention as being the key and speaks of conflicts of interests in the medical industry.

Click here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/032700_National_Cancer_Institute_Dr_Samuel_Epstein.html
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 25, 2016, 07:35:44 AM
My apologies, but I won't click on a link to naturalnews.com

Mike Adams is one of the most dangerous quacks out there. He is a fear-mongering profiteer that spreads so much misinformation.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 25, 2016, 08:11:33 AM
Mike Adams, a.k.a. the Health Ranger, a health scamster profiled (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/03/11/mike-adams-a-k-a-the-health-ranger-a-health-seamster-profiled/)

Anyone who’s read this blog knows my opinion of Mike Adams, the proprietor of the quack website known as NaturalNews.com. It is not favorable, to put it mildly. All you have to do to realize that is to type his name into the search box of this blog and see what comes up: Anger at his attacks on celebrities who have died of cancer; mockery of his pretending to be a scientist and attacking Jimmy Kimmel for “hate speech” about vaccines; alarm at his threats delivered with somewhat plausible deniability against scientists; further alarm at his “natural biopreparedness” and homeopathy for Ebola; and, of course amusement at his New World Order conspiracy mongering. In terms of blog fodder, Adams is the gift that keeps on giving. Unfortunately, in terms of his influence against science and medicine and for pseudoscience and quackery, his influence is not insubstantial, so much so that when the opportunity presents itself I feel obligated to discuss him.

The opportunity has presented itself in the form of an excellent summation of the empire of pseudoscience and quackery that is Mike Adams by Sacha Feinman entitled Meet The Internet Entrepreneur Profiting Off The Anti-Vaxxer Movement. Of course, I have one quibble about this title. Adams profits off of way more than the antivaccine movement. Quackery, fear mongering about food, Scientology-like hatred of psychiatry to the point where after the Sandy Hook school massacre, he immediately blamed psychiatric medications for the rampage of Adam Lanza, the perpetrator of the massacre. But that’s just a quibble. The article itself tells the tale quite well. It also confirms something I’ve been writing for quite a while now, namely how Adams got his quacky start selling Y2K scams:

Towards the turn of the millennium, the Y2K bug was much on the mind of the media, representing perhaps the first great conspiracy of the digital age. True believers held that the seemingly simple switchover from 12/31/99 to 1/1/00 would cause computers and electronic systems the world over to crash, triggering international crises of every conceivable sort. Adams saw the opportunity in the situation, and began to sell supposed “information products” that would insulate his paying audience from the oncoming chaos, which, of course, never came.

In a since-deleted excerpt on Adams’ site published by ZDNet, Adams boasted that in 1999, “in an effort to fine-tune his web marketing techniques, Michael [Adams] launched a six-month experiment to determine what kind of revenues are possible when combining his proprietary techniques and technologies with a high-awareness topic. The result? With the help of only one employee, he created a subscriber base of over 50,000 people and sold over $400,000 worth of information products while offering an open-ended, 100% moneyback [sic] guarantee.”

This subscriber base was largely won over by Adams’ then infamous “39 Unanswered Questions about Y2K.” In a foreshadowing of the sorts of the “listicles” that would drive traffic to both Natural News and the site’s advertisers (not to mention BuzzFeed), Adams demonstrated a remarkable ability to frame a controversial issue in a manner perfectly suited for digital consumption. The widely shared email consisted of a series of fear-mongering questions such as, “Why is there not a single Fortune 1000 firm that has said, in its 10-Q SEC statement, that it is fully, unequivocally Y2K-compliant?” Critics panned the listicle as, “a national spamming campaign against the press and politicians to stir up enough anxiety to clear the shelves of Y2K supplies” and, “the best publicity stunt I’ve seen.”
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 25, 2016, 02:41:10 PM
My apologies, but I won't click on a link to naturalnews.com

Mike Adams is one of the most dangerous quacks out there. He is a fear-mongering profiteer that spreads so much misinformation.


I don't know much about Mike Adams a.k.a. the Health Ranger.  All I know is that that is where I found the link to the Dr. Epstein article.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on January 25, 2016, 10:09:47 PM
Mike Adams, a.k.a. the Health Ranger, a health scamster profiled (http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/03/11/mike-adams-a-k-a-the-health-ranger-a-health-seamster-profiled/)

Orac (David Gorski) and Steven Novella are heroes of mine.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 26, 2016, 03:36:28 AM
In 2009, Shiv Chopra blew the whistle on the corrupted Health Canada bureaucracy and it's relationship with the pharmaceutical industry:

Chopra chronicles intrigue, manipulation and deception as Health Canada managers — at the behest of their political bosses —
worked to please their drug company clients. Among other things, he accuses management of:

Ignoring a central tenet of the Food and Drugs Act requiring


manufacturers to provide evidence of safety before approval

Ignoring and sidelining scientists who refuse to approve drugs without evidence of safety

Approving veterinary drugs containing carcinogens and hormones that have detrimental health effects

Refusing to revisit approved drugs after new evidence showed they were unsafe

Ignoring or manipulating scientists’ reports on certain drugs

Forbidding scientists to speak to anyone about their work.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2742145/
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 18, 2016, 05:11:54 AM
Green Tea:  Anti-Inflammatory properties...good news for Rheumatoid Arthritis sufferers:

...a new study has found that green tea can help curing debilitating autoimmune disorder rheumatoid arthritis.

Researchers from Washington State University have found a phytochemical called epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), which is a molecule with anti-inflammatory properties found in green tea.

They found EGCG as a high potential treatment for rheumatoid arthritis as they can very effectively block the effects of the disease without blocking other cellular functions.

Lead researcher Salah-uddin Ahmed said that the existing drugs for rheumatoid arthritis are expensive, immunosuppressive and sometimes unsuitable for long-term use, thereupon green tea is the best option available.

He added that this study has opened the field of research into using EGCG for targeting TAK1, an important signaling protein through which proinflammatory cytokines transmit their signals to cause inflammation and tissue destruction in rheumatoid arthritis.


http://www.lifeextension.com/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=24909&Section=Disease (http://www.lifeextension.com/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=24909&Section=Disease)[/color]
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on February 24, 2016, 08:55:54 AM
Hilarity.  The Naturopathic college is fighting legislation from the Federal goverment as "too restrictive" because they are no longer going to approve homeopathic medications aimed at children that don't have any evidence to support their use.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 24, 2016, 09:40:18 AM
That's just sad.

Perhaps they should call in David Wolfe for expert testimony.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: McGarnagle on February 24, 2016, 07:07:35 PM
Hilarity.  The Naturopathic college is fighting legislation from the Federal goverment as "too restrictive" because they are no longer going to approve homeopathic medications aimed at children that don't have any evidence to support their use.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/health-canada-licensing-of-natural-remedies-a-joke-doctor-says-1.2992414

The marketplace episode on this was unbelievable. I had no idea how little oversight there was for homeopathic "medicine".
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 24, 2016, 07:46:24 PM
I saw that episode and loved it. You know, at least pharmaceuticals generally do what they claim to do. You really have no idea what homeopathic remedies will do or if they have any evidence behind their claims.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 24, 2016, 09:53:46 PM
You really have no idea what homeopathic remedies will do or if they have any evidence behind their claims.

Yes we do. They do nothing.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 24, 2016, 11:50:48 PM
You really have no idea what homeopathic remedies will do or if they have any evidence behind their claims.

Yes we do. They do nothing.
Well what I mean is if you can put in almost any ingredient you want by citing a manual and there's been no testing then it's entirely possible it could have the opposite effect.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 25, 2016, 08:08:45 AM
The most comprehensive study ever undertaken: the Swiss government's report on the efficacy of homeopathic and complementary medicine:

The Swiss government has a long and widely-respected history of neutrality, and therefore, reports from this government on controversial subjects need to be taken more seriously than other reports from countries that are more strongly influenced by present economic and political constituencies. When one considers that two of the top five largest drug companies in the world have their headquarters in Switzerland, one might assume that this country would have a heavy interest in and bias toward conventional medicine, but such assumptions would be wrong.

In late 2011, the Swiss government's report on homeopathic medicine represents the most comprehensive evaluation of homeopathic medicine ever written by a government..

The Swiss government's inquiry into homeopathy and complementary and alternative (CAM) treatments resulted from the high demand and widespread use of alternatives to conventional medicine in Switzerland, not only from consumers but from physicians as well. Approximately half of the Swiss population have used CAM treatments and value them. Further, about half of Swiss physicians consider CAM treatments to be effective. Perhaps most significantly, 85 percent of the Swiss population wants CAM therapies to be a part of their country's health insurance program.

It is therefore not surprising that more than 50 percent of the Swiss population surveyed prefer a hospital that provides CAM treatments rather to one that is limited to conventional medical care.

Beginning in 1998, the government of Switzerland decided to broaden its national health insurance to include certain complementary and alternative medicines, including homeopathic medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, herbal medicine, anthroposophic medicine, and neural therapy. This reimbursement was provisional while the Swiss government commissioned an extensive study on these treatments to determine if they were effective and cost-effective. The provisional reimbursement for these alternative treatments ended in 2005, but as a result of this new study, the Swiss government's health insurance program once again began to reimburse for homeopathy and select alternative treatments. In fact, as a result of a national referendum in which more than two-thirds of voters supported the inclusion of homeopathic and select alternative medicines in Switzerland's national health care insurance program, the field of complementary and alternative medicine has become a part of this government's constitution.

The Swiss government's "Health Technology Assessment" on homeopathic medicine is much more comprehensive than any previous governmental report written on this subject to date. Not only did this report carefully and comprehensively review the body of evidence from randomized double-blind and placebo controlled clinical trials testing homeopathic medicines, they also evaluated the "real world effectiveness" as well as safety and cost-effectiveness. The report also conducted a highly-comprehensive review of the wide body of preclinical research (fundamental physio-chemical research, botanical studies, animal studies, and in vitro studies with human cells).

And still further, this report evaluated systematic reviews and meta-analyses, outcome studies, and epidemiological research. This wide review carefully evaluated the studies conducted, both in terms of quality of design and execution (called "internal validity") and how appropriate each was for the way that homeopathy is commonly practiced (called "external validity"). The subject of external validity is of special importance because some scientists and physicians conduct research on homeopathy with little or no understanding of this type of medicine (some studies tested a homeopathic medicine that is rarely used for the condition tested, while others utilized medicines not commonly indicated for specific patients). When such studies inevitably showed that the homeopathic medicine did not "work," the real and accurate assessment must be that the studies were set up to disprove homeopathy... or simply, the study was an exploratory trial that sought to evaluate the results of a new treatment (exploratory trials of this nature are not meant to prove or disprove the system of homeopathy but only to evaluate that specific treatment for a person with a specific condition).

After assessing pre-clinical basic research and the high quality clinical studies, the Swiss report affirmed that homeopathic high-potencies seem to induce regulatory effects (e.g., balancing or normalizing effects) and specific changes in cells or living organisms. The report also reported that 20 of the 22 systematic reviews of clinical research testing homeopathic medicines detected at least a trend in favor of homeopathy."

The Swiss report found a particularly strong body of evidence to support the homeopathic treatment of Upper Respiratory Tract Infections and Respiratory Allergies. The report cited 29 studies in "Upper Respiratory Tract Infections/AllergicReactions," of which 24 studies found a positive result in favor of homeopathy. Further, six out of seven controlled studies that compared homeopathic treatment with conventional medical treatment showed that homeopathy to be more effective than conventional medical interventions (the one other trial found homeopathic treatment to be equivalent to conventional medical treatment). All of these results from homeopathic treatment came without the side effects common to conventional drug treatment. In evaluating only the randomized placebo controlled trials, 12 out of 16 studies showed a positive result in favor of homeopathy.

The authors of the Swiss government's report acknowledge that a part of the overall review of research included one negative review of clinical research in homeopathy (Shang, et al, 2005). However, the authors noted that this review of research has been widely and harshly criticized by both advocates and non-advocates of homeopathy. The Swiss report noted that the Shang team did not even adhere to the QUORUM guidelines which are widely recognized standards for scientific reporting (Linde, Jonas, 2005). The Shang team initially evaluated 110 homeopathic clinical trials and then sought to compare them with a matching 110 conventional medical trials. Shang and his team determined that there were 22 "high quality" homeopathic studies but only nine "high quality" conventional medical studies. Rather than compare these high quality trials (which would have shown a positive result for homeopathy), the Shang team created criteria to ignore a majority of high quality homeopathic studies, thereby trumping up support for their original hypothesis and bias that homeopathic medicines may not be effective

The Swiss report also notes that David Sackett, M.D., the Canadian physician who is widely considered to be one of the leading pioneers in "evidence based medicine," has expressed serious concern about those researchers and physicians who consider randomized and double-blind trials as the only means to determine whether a treatment is effective or not. To make this assertion, one would have to acknowledge that virtually all surgical procedures were "unscientific" or "unproven" because so few have undergone randomized double-blind trials.

In my view, for a treatment to be determined to be "effective" or "scientifically proven," a much more comprehensive assessment of what works and doesn't is required. Ultimately, the Swiss government's report on homeopathy represents an evaluation of homeopathy that included an assessment of randomized double blind trials as well as other bodies of evidence, all of which together lead the report to determine that homeopathic medicines are indeed effective.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dana-ullman/homeopathic-medicine-_b_1258607.html
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on February 25, 2016, 08:25:20 AM
I'll give the guy credit for using some citations.  Amusing to me is that one of the citations is used as a means of discrediting the Shang et. al paper.

That study that was cited to do that came to this conclusion:
Quote
Biases are present in placebo-controlled trials of both homoeopathy and conventional medicine. When account was taken for these biases in the analysis, there was weak evidence for a specific effect of homoeopathic remedies, but strong evidence for specific effects of conventional interventions. This finding is compatible with the notion that the clinical effects of homoeopathy are placebo effects.
(Linde, 2005)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 25, 2016, 08:26:38 AM
The Swiss report represents a biased review largely by homeopaths who changed the rules of evidence in order to declare that homeopathy works. Other homeopaths then present this review as unbiased and definitive. This is behavior that would make even the most unscrupulous pharmaceutical rep blush.

This is also, unfortunately, not an isolated incident. This represents a general strategy apparent in the world of CAM – to present themselves as the experts so that they can pack panels with proponents and then advocate for changing the normal rules of scientific evidence in order to produce highly biased assessments of CAM. Further, they portray skeptics (meaning those who advocate for consistent and rigorous scientific methods) to be biased so that when they point out that the emperor has no clothes they can be dismissed.

The Swiss report on homeopathy represents an embarrassing failure for the Swiss government. They should suspend any decisions based upon this report and put together an new scientific panel to perform a fresh and legitimate review of homeopathy. Or, they don’t have to reinvent the wheel – they can just review the UKs thorough and rigorous report and adopt its findings. Homeopathy is witchcraft and deserves no government support of any kind.

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-swiss-report-on-homeopathy/

This paper analyses the report and concludes that it is scientifically, logically and ethically flawed. Specifically, it contains no new evidence and misinterprets studies previously exposed as weak; creates a new standard of evidence designed to make homeopathy appear effective; and attempts to discredit randomised controlled trials as the gold standard of evidence. Most importantly, almost all the authors have conflicts of interest, despite their claim that none exist. If anything, the report proves that homeopaths are willing to distort evidence in order to support their beliefs, and its authors appear to have breached Swiss Academies of Arts and Sciences principles governing scientific integrity.

http://www.smw.ch/content/smw-2012-13594/
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2016, 08:44:14 AM
You really have no idea what homeopathic remedies will do or if they have any evidence behind their claims.

Yes we do. They do nothing.

That's not true. They're very effective at separating people that don't trust modern medicine from their money.

(To be fair, some natural/homeopathic remedies are useful in temporary relief from certain symptoms, but none of them address the cause.)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 25, 2016, 08:51:50 AM
(To be fair, some natural/homeopathic remedies are useful in temporary relief from certain symptoms, but none of them address the cause.)

Sure, I believe in natural remedies. Like if you get a headache it's really good to take a pill derived from the bark of a willow tree. It's called aspirin. 
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 25, 2016, 09:37:20 AM
That's not true. They're very effective at separating people that don't trust modern medicine from their money.

(To be fair, some natural/homeopathic remedies are useful in temporary relief from certain symptoms, but none of them address the cause.)

No, that's not being fair, that's acquiescing to snake-oil sales people. Some "natural" medicines can be effective, sure, but homeopathy is pure hocus-pocus. Any affects are almost certainly a result of the placebo-affect.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 25, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Sure, I believe in natural remedies. Like if you get a headache it's really good to take a pill derived from the bark of a willow tree. It's called aspirin.

You know what they call effective alternative medicine?

Medicine.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on February 25, 2016, 09:41:55 AM
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Homeopathy is not effective for treating any health condition, Australia’s top body for medical research has concluded, after undertaking an extensive review of existing studies.
...
These claims have been widely disproven by multiple studies, but the National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) has for the first time thoroughly reviewed 225 research papers on homeopathy to come up with its position statement, released on Wednesday.

“Based on the assessment of the evidence of effectiveness of homeopathy, NHMRC concludes that there are no health conditions for which there is reliable evidence that homeopathy is effective,” the report concluded.

“People who choose homeopathy may put their health at risk if they reject or delay treatments for which there is good evidence for safety and effectiveness.”

And because I know how the internet works, you may click on the following link to read the rest of the article:

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/mar/11/homeopathy-not-effective-for-treating-any-condition-australian-report-finds
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 25, 2016, 10:21:17 AM
Steven Novella, ORAC, Stephen Barrett, James Randi et al., what do these "quackbusting" pseudo-skeptic minions have in common?  Plenty, for themselves:

Statement of the Case:
The Doctor's Data v Barrett, Federal Court case is well designed.  To me, with one exception which can be fixed, it addresses the big picture of what should rightfully be called "The Quackbuster Conspiracy."  The attorneys writing the case looked carefully at what was actually happening, realized that what Barrett, et al, were doing was a pattern, and as such, had all the earmarks of an organized conspiracy. The real beauty of the case is in what happened AFTER the case was filed and Barrett's minions reacted with what is known on the internet, as a "Googlebomb," increasing, with Intentional Malice, the damage done to Doctor's Data, taking control of the internet search engines on the subject.  These fools actually bragged that they, in full and open conspiracy, were going to create much greater defamation.

Doctor's Data is a CLIA-certified scientific and medical laboratory in St. Charles, Illinois, in the business of analyzing blood, tissue, and other samples for health care practitioners.  Plaintiff was the lab of choice for many physicians until Dr. Stephen Barrett and his minions began defaming Plaintiff on their websites, accusing the lab of intentionally applying fraud and fraudulent results by applying proper reference ranges to specimen analyzes, and conspiring with the physicians, from who they receive the specimen, to commit fraud.

Factual Allegations Applicable to all Courts:
Barrett and his associates operate numerous internet websites, including inter alia, the websites referenced in this complaint...

Defendants operate the aforesaid websites and others to attack what they unilaterally deem to be unscrupulous health care practices by anyone whose beliefs or methods differ from their own.

For unjust and conspiratorial reasons, Defendants have taken to attacking the laboratories, including Doctor's Data, upon which many health care practitioners rely for laboratory analyses.
 
Generally, the users of and visitors to said websites are, inter alia, members of the public, who are researching and investigating forms of medical treatment for themselves or loved ones, members of the public shopping for a new health care provider who come across one of said websites through Google or other internet search engines; members of the public interested in medicine and health care issues who come across said websites through Google and other internet search engines; investigators for state medical boards looking for evidence of wrongdoing by practitioners licensed in their jurisdiction; and zealots who have adopted and embraced Barrett's and the other defendants propaganda.

Defendants encourage users of and visitors to said websites to bring lawsuits against individuals and entities engaged in the practice of alternative or complementary medicine.  To effectuate this goal, they created and ostensibly rely on a "Legal Advisory Board" which sounds official, smart and neutral, but is actually a list of lawyers soliciting potential clients interested in "filing lawsuits on behalf of quackery victims."

Defendants have created and ostensibly rely in whole or in part on technical advisors in their effort to encourage users of and visitors to said websites to bring lawsuits against individuals and entities engaged in the practice of alternative and complimentary medicine.

Barrett and all other defendants caused and continue to cause damage to Doctor's Data by having made and continuing to make false or misleading statements...

The aforesaid false or misleading statements were made in the course of self-promotion...for the purpose of among other things, soliciting donations in their war against whatever persons or entities they choose to attack as quacks...

Barrett and the other defendants have diluted and continue to dilute the value of Doctor's Data trade name and trademark and besmirch it's reputation by having made and continuing to make false or misleading statements...

A classic example of the fear-mongering, public brainwashing and ruination of reputation that these pseudo-skeptics foist not only upon the public but against reputable institutions.  They never quit, these jerks!

FOR SHAME!!
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: bustaheims on February 25, 2016, 10:35:18 AM
Sure, I believe in natural remedies. Like if you get a headache it's really good to take a pill derived from the bark of a willow tree. It's called aspirin.

Well, sure, if you want your stomach lining to bleed. I prefer to take a derivative of of natural indigo dye, commercially marketed as Tylenol.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 25, 2016, 10:55:25 AM
The real question what aids in "Preventative Medicine".  There are hundreds of pharmacutical drugs that do more damage than good.  Also their are thousands of quack remedies, many made to separate people from their money. So it seems the leading factor to good health is improving the immune system, the leading thing we can do is take the best probitics available, stop smoking, cut down drinking, get exercise
Eat a ton of sprouted veggies: broccoli, sunflower, pea, etc etc.  ad some Spirulina to the mix and blend it into a Vitamix, drink at least one a day. Make sure you get magnisim in some form, preferably slow release.
Somehow learn to cut out or at least cut down stress, as I truly believe this is the major reason for bad health.
Now I find cutting down the alcohol and getting exercise to be very hard to maintain, but at least I do the rest most of the time.
One tip; research NAC (especially Pharmanac), my Doctor/Pharmacist put me on NAC three years ago and I have not had one broncial problem since (this is from a guy who used to suffer two or three bronchial problems a year). Stuff took me of my rescue inhalers as well.
Just my two cents worth.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 25, 2016, 11:00:23 AM
The real question what aids in "Preventative Medicine".  There are hundreds of pharmacutical drugs that do more damage than good.  Also their are thousands of quack remedies, many made to separate people from their money. So it seems the leading factor to good health is improving the immune system, the leading thing we can do is take the best probitics available, stop smoking, cut down drinking, get exercise
Eat a ton of sprouted veggies: broccoli, sunflower, pea, etc etc.  ad some Spirulina to the mix and blend it into a Vitamix, drink at least one a day. Make sure you get magnisim in some form, preferably slow release.
Somehow learn to cut out or at least cut down stress, as I truly believe this is the major reason for bad health.
Now I find cutting down the alcohol and getting exercise to be very hard to maintain, but at least I do the rest most of the time.
One tip; research NAC (especially Pharmanac), my Doctor/Pharmacist put me on NAC three years ago and I have not had one broncial problem since (this is from a guy who used to suffer two or three bronchial problems a year). Stuff took me of my rescue inhalers as well.
Just my two cents worth.


Happy for you.  :)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 25, 2016, 11:01:43 AM
You know what they call effective alternative medicine?

Medicine.

I think I posted the link to Storm a while back during one of these discussions but like Tim Minchin says in it "Alternative medicine is, by definition, either something that hasn't been proven to work or has been proven not to work".
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 25, 2016, 11:55:04 AM
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Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 25, 2016, 11:59:51 AM

Finally, we're hearing from the real medical experts: cartoonists.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 25, 2016, 12:02:46 PM
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Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 25, 2016, 12:49:31 PM
I actually was with a homeopathic doctor for years when I was younger. It always struck me as odd that once all the homeopathic remedies for my asthma related conditions failed he would prescribe an inhaler.

The outright bashing of modern medicine that has single handedly saved billions of lives and has increased life expectancy of millions honestly is completely absurd.

But hey, maybe we should also go back to spontaneous generation theory of medicine.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on February 25, 2016, 12:51:18 PM
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Everything is chemical. Everything you eat, drink, breathe can be represented chemically. In nature there often isn't a strong enough dosage to provide relief for a certain thing. There's a reason aspirin is more effective than tree bark.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Nik Bethune on February 25, 2016, 12:57:02 PM

Finally, we're hearing from the real medical experts: cartoonists.


And you quoted a musician?  Tim Minchin super-expert, eh?
(laughing)

He's actually a comedian and the point he's making is one about language, something he's qualified to do. What it isn't is a scientific claim.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Potvin29 on February 25, 2016, 01:02:07 PM
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What was the average life expectancy the previous thousands of years?
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Highlander on February 27, 2016, 10:38:34 AM
If you are having lung troubles, research NAC (Pharmanac, I like it in epervessant tablet form), it helps lung function and has cleared up my problems. A by product is it does also promote healthy liver function and believe it or not, helps with hangovers!  Just saying do your own research into this.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 10, 2016, 02:59:24 PM
As many know, Bryan Murray, the Ottawa Senators GM who stepped down from his post (but remains with the Senators organization in an advisory capacity), has been battling Stage 4 colon cancer for quite some time (since 2014) -- a cancer that spread to his liver.  However, thanks in parts to complementary medicine (used in conjunction with ongoing chemotherapy treatments), this has enabled Murray to keep up his physical health & well-being. In other words, uplifting the state of the patient by other means (in this case, (complementary/integrative approach) while undergoing conventional treatment, is what has kept Murray and others with cancer to live and be able to get on with the task of daily living.

Anything that helps a patient cope, provided it works and does not cause further complications, in this case integrative medicine, is an excellent addition to the anti-cancer equation.

Ottawa Senators General Manager Bryan Murray was given a grim diagnosis in the summer of 2014. He had Stage 4 colon cancer and it had spread to his liver.

“The prognosis wasn’t very good,” he admitted. In fact, just five per cent of people live for five years after such a diagnosis.

Today, Murray has gained back 12 pounds he lost when first diagnosed with late-stage cancer and a recent scan showed the tumour in his liver had shrunk. His ability to continue managing the Senators and being active, even playing hockey with his grandchildren recently, has surprised his doctors. They now say “just do what you are doing, it seems to be working."

Murray spoke about his cancer at the launch of a fundraising campaign Wednesday for the Ottawa Integrative Cancer Centre.

The involvement of Murray and other high profile supporters, the presence of Senators players, including Kyle Turris and Dion Phaneuf, and a hefty donation from the Ottawa Senators Foundation, mark the growing acceptance of the kinds of complementary cancer therapies — from naturopathy and yoga to more — once viewed with skepticism by some. The centre’s mandate includes research and working with patients and oncologists to help them better cope with cancer diagnosis and treatments.

Murray says he believes some of the non-traditional treatments he has received through the integrative cancer centre — including yoga and mistletoe injections he gives himself three times a week — have made a difference to his health while he undergoes chemotherapy.

Murray, wearing a portable chemotherapy pump on what was his 41st round of chemo since being diagnosed, said he talks to many people while waiting at the hospital who are struggling to function through chemotherapy and radiation. When he tells them about the integrative cancer centre treatments he receives, he said, they often say they couldn’t afford them.

“My main focus was to help other people have access.”

Murray said his injections of mistletoe — which has been studied and is more widely used to treat cancer in Europe — as well as the yoga and other counselling costs in the thousands of dollars every month. He has also undergone acupuncture.

CBC Television anchor Lucy van Oldenbarneveld, who has been public about her breast cancer diagnosis and treatment, has also participated in programs at the OICC.

“It made a huge difference,” she said, adding that her oncologists have been supportive. “Because it is complementary therapy and not alternative therapy, it can’t hurt, and if it helps as it has me and countless others, why not try it."

John Kelly, who is fundraising chair for OICC said more than half of the people with cancer seek complementary care.

“What really motivates me is how the OICC strives to address these patients’ needs by collaborating with oncologists, radiologists, surgeons and researchers. OICC care is integrative, in that evidence-based complementary therapies are combined with hospital treatments to support and strengthen patients’ health and well-being."

Van Oldenbarneveld said one of the most difficult parts of a cancer diagnosis has been dealing with the psychological implications and the “darkness” that it can bring.

Murray said hockey is the best therapy he has for staying away from those dark places.

“I think the mental and social support comes from being involved in hockey, being around young people and being motivated every day to do something that gives you a real purpose.”

Story:
http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/04/06/bryan-murray-heads-5m-cancer-campaign (http://www.ottawasun.com/2016/04/06/bryan-murray-heads-5m-cancer-campaign)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: L K on April 14, 2016, 04:57:46 PM
After getting around to reading Bill C-14 and the CPSO/OMA/CMPA Position statements....sigh.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 26, 2017, 06:54:43 AM
How medical cannabis may impact prescription drugs (& the pharmaceutical industry):

http://www.lifeextension.com/news/lefdailynews?NewsID=26727&Section=Disease)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Arn on June 13, 2018, 06:34:18 AM
So for many years I've been involved with rowing, competing at a pretty high level when I was at university and carrying on since then at a club level competing at not such a high level but still at a decent level to keep myself in some kind of shape.

For years I was massively dubious about Crossfit. It struck me as a bit of a cult in all honesty. But now I don't have the time to do enough training to compete at as high a level at rowing as before I was looking a new challenge and decided to bite the bullet and try it out. I have to say I'm only a couple of weeks in and I've really enjoyed it. I don't think I'll ever "compete" at it (Still it's just a really well regimented circuit training class in my eyes to an extent) but it's the most enthused I've been about training in a long time.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 30, 2018, 09:31:17 AM
B.C. government to take pharmaceuticals to court over Opiod crisis:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4803065/human-beings-before-profits-b-c-sues-pharmaceutical-companies-for-role-in-opioid-crisis-1.4803077
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bates on August 30, 2018, 11:19:57 AM
Wonder if they plan to do anything about the Doctors who prescribed them like candy?  Or are we assuming the people got them elsewhere??

B.C. government to take pharmaceuticals to court over Opiod crisis:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4803065/human-beings-before-profits-b-c-sues-pharmaceutical-companies-for-role-in-opioid-crisis-1.4803077
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 31, 2018, 02:21:04 AM
Wonder if they plan to do anything about the Doctors who prescribed them like candy?  Or are we assuming the people got them elsewhere??

B.C. government to take pharmaceuticals to court over Opiod crisis:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4803065/human-beings-before-profits-b-c-sues-pharmaceutical-companies-for-role-in-opioid-crisis-1.4803077 (https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-wednesday-edition-1.4803065/human-beings-before-profits-b-c-sues-pharmaceutical-companies-for-role-in-opioid-crisis-1.4803077)

This is what was said regarding the overprescribing of opioids by physicians:

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Don't doctors have to take some of the responsibility for the over-prescribing of these opioids?

"I think it's fair that there has not been adequate education of physicians and other health professionals or members of the public about the dangers of these drugs. I refer to something that was published back in 2001, an [OxyContin] advertisement, that showed a photograph of a very fit looking jogger with a tagline, "One to start and stay with." Another full page ad that says, "When you know a set of medicine will not be enough, take the next step in pain relief." These pharmaceutical manufacturers knew the dangers they did not inform physicians, and in fact they disputed claims that were being made by health professionals that were sounding the alarm.

...and this...

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We're far more closely monitoring provincially prescribing patterns. We want to be very careful as we do this that people who legitimately need opioids or who become addicted to prescription opioids are weaned off these medications appropriately so that they don't end up turning to street drugs which are laced with fentanyl and other variations of synthetic opioids, because that is part of the phenomenon that we've seen people turning to street drugs because they've become addicted.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Arn on March 04, 2019, 09:17:57 AM
So for many years I've been involved with rowing, competing at a pretty high level when I was at university and carrying on since then at a club level competing at not such a high level but still at a decent level to keep myself in some kind of shape.

For years I was massively dubious about Crossfit. It struck me as a bit of a cult in all honesty. But now I don't have the time to do enough training to compete at as high a level at rowing as before I was looking a new challenge and decided to bite the bullet and try it out. I have to say I'm only a couple of weeks in and I've really enjoyed it. I don't think I'll ever "compete" at it (Still it's just a really well regimented circuit training class in my eyes to an extent) but it's the most enthused I've been about training in a long time.

Yeah, so this aged well. I'm currently participating in the "Crossfit Open". Basically each week for 5 weeks they release a workout and thousands of people round the world do it, submit their scores online and can see where they are in the leaderboards. I messed up last week's event and didn't do as well as I would have liked but this week, all be it with a few hours left for people to submit scores, I'm sitting 3rd on the UK leaderboard in my age group for this workout and 57/900 in the world in my age group.

It's quite a buzz...

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 30, 2019, 09:21:28 AM
This is incredible:

Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 03, 2019, 11:29:55 AM
Johnson & Johnson ordered to pay 570M in landmark Oklahoma opioid case.  The precedent could impact future lawsuits against Big Pharma in Canada.

So far, the August 27th ruling, (though J&J is expected to appeal), sets the stage for similar class action / government litigation lawsuits.  The B.C. government has already begun theirs (as posted earlier in this thread).

It’s about time that Big Pharma pays the price, so to speak, and for doctors to stop being coerced and/or pressured to prescribe or over-prescribe such medications.  The fact that as the Oklahoma judge stated about J&J knowingly and deliberately understating the addictive nature of the opioids and their effect shows the depths of their wrongdoing in leading this crisis in the first place.

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The defendants "engaged in false and misleading marketing of both their drugs and opioids generally, and the law makes clear that such conduct is more than enough to serve as the act or omission necessary to establish the first element of Oklahoma's public nuisance law," Balkman wrote in his ruling...

https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/opioid-oklahoma-johnson-and-johnson-canada-cases-1.5261516 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/opioid-oklahoma-johnson-and-johnson-canada-cases-1.5261516)

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/health/oklahoma-opioid-trial-verdict-bn/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/26/health/oklahoma-opioid-trial-verdict-bn/index.html)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on October 05, 2019, 09:26:41 AM
By now, quite a few have seen or read about the findings of a group of researchers who studied eating patterns associated with consumption of meat and processed food.  They claimed that after undertaking massive studies examining the correlation of the above-mentioned foods being linked to diseases (cancer), they came to the conclusion after a wide array of a diverse study, that there is no indication that neither meat nor processed foods, eaten in quantitative amounts of variance, cause cancer or any other diseases for that matter.

Their findings were published in several medical journals and elicited an outcry from medical professionals and organizations everywhere.   
It has become a well-known fact from in-depth scientific studies done over time, and endorsed by organizations such as the WHO (World Health Organization), Medical Associations from around the world, researchers, scientists, physicians, etcetra, etcetera) that showcase and support the reality of a connection between the consumption of red meat in it’s various forms as well as processed foods to be a co-factor in the development of cancer and other related diseases and chronic illnesses (along with other factors such as environmental, etc).

One would have been wary of a connection one of these researchers who did the pro meat & processed meat studies had to an outside organization or influence.  Well, it was discovered as of yesterday that there was indeed such a connection, hence an ‘influence’ or vested corporate interests (pharmaceuticals, food processors, etc.,) to potentially bend the bias endorsing the pro meat/processed food conundrum.

Here it is. No surprise.  Why? Not when you read this:

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...Dr. Johnston...he was the senior author on a similar study that tried to discredit international health guidelines advising people to eat less sugar. That study, which also appeared in the Annals of Internal Medicine, was paid for by the International Life Sciences Institute, or ILSI, an industry trade group largely supported by agribusiness, food and pharmaceutical companies and whose members have included McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, PepsiCo and Cargill, one of the largest beef processors in North America. The industry group, founded by a top Coca-Cola executive four decades ago, has long been accused by the World Health Organization and others of trying to undermine public health recommendations to advance the interests of its corporate members.”

Perhaps the study was well undertaken and shouldn’t be marred by one researcher’s questionable connections in doing past studies.  Still, the acceptance of this study is simply too jarring contrary to what the science has telling us for years about the link with certain foods and diseases.

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Dr. Johnston said the real problem is that people don’t want to accept findings that contradict long-held views. “People have very strong opinions,” he said. “Scientists should have intellectual curiosity and be open to challenges to their data. Science is about debate, not about digging your heels in.”

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Dr. Hu said Dr. Johnston’s methods were not very objective or rigorous and the tool he employed in his meat and sugar studies could be misused to discredit all sorts of well-established public health warnings, like the link between secondhand smoke and heart disease, air pollution and health problems, physical inactivity and chronic disease, and trans fats and heart disease.

“Some people may be wondering what his next target will be,” Dr. Hu said. “But I’m concerned about the damage that has already been done to public health recommendations.”

Story:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/well/eat/scientist-who-discredited-meat-guidelines-didnt-report-past-food-industry-ties.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/well/eat/scientist-who-discredited-meat-guidelines-didnt-report-past-food-industry-ties.html)
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bullfrog on October 05, 2019, 01:17:37 PM
I'm always cautious of allegations of bias based on past ties to groups or individuals, but certainly the data and scientific methods are open to scrutiny. The study needs to be peer-evaluated to become even remotely credible.

As I've learned in a recent court case, "a perceived bias is not the same as a real bias."

And before someone takes me to task, I said I'm cautious, not that I discount claims of bias. There are certainly cases where bias affects results.

It sounds to me like there are certainly grounds for questioning the group's motives and results.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: Bender on October 05, 2019, 03:56:56 PM
I think it's just rational to think that processed food probably carries a greater risk of disease long term than less processed food.
Title: Re: The Official Health and Fitness Thread
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 29, 2020, 07:10:42 PM
Quercitin, fortifying the immune system, Vit C, etc., The battle against the Coronavirus...


Here is the article Dr. Rona is referring to:
https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-made-in-canada-solution-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/ (https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/a-made-in-canada-solution-to-the-coronavirus-outbreak/)

How Vitamin C is benefitting the fight against infection:


Proper nutrients and nutrition is essential to fortify our immune systems:


Article written by Dr. Rona:
https://vitalitymagazine.com/article/coronavirus-protection-and-treatment-top-10-natural-remedies/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (https://vitalitymagazine.com/article/coronavirus-protection-and-treatment-top-10-natural-remedies/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)


Note:  Dr. Zoltan Rona is my go-to doctor for natural therapies.  I didn’t just choose any Naturopath but one who has a M.Sc. in Biochemistry.
Dr. Rona has been in practice for 30+ years, starting out as an M.D., but eventually gravitating towards alternative medicine.  As an M.D., he prescribed medications as any doctor would but due to patient complaints of medication side -effects and according to what he had been taught in medical school, he learned of things not taught in medical school such as other modalities in approaching certain health issues of his patients. 

Once again, let me reiterate that no one is advocating people throw out their medicines, but if there is a way to a 50-50 approach or even greater, then all the better for patient outcome.  Medications all have side-defects, it practically comes with the territory and there really isn’t much one can do about some greater and some minor, and taking them whatever they may be can cause long-term organ and general health damage to cells. 
Many doctors privately believe herbs are better than drugs, just as effective in the longer term.  Herbs have been around for thousands of years, long before pharmaceuticals were ever invented.

Everything has it’s risks —do not self-medicate not even for natural products, always seek out the advice of a healthcare practitioner — which is why a pragmatic, practical, and realistic approach for one’s health is truly the best advice.

Let’s face it, nutrition and health & wellness have become the lexicon on everyone’s lips.  It runs the gamut from health professionals to exercise & wellness experts.
What some of us may not know is that many of those in the natural medicine field were long endorsing the usage of supplementation in it’s various forms, healthy eating habits, body/mind de stressing techniques, etcetera, etcetera, way before anyone had ever heard of it en masse.  That’s who we have to thank long before the science behind it.