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Title: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: cw on March 02, 2015, 03:53:15 PM

Title: Korbinian Holzer Traded to Anaheim
Post by: Kessel Run on March 02, 2015, 03:53:31 PM
Details forthcoming.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 03:54:06 PM
haha
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Kessel Run on March 02, 2015, 03:54:38 PM
Another late round pick I wonder?
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: cw on March 02, 2015, 03:54:56 PM

don't know for what yet
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Peter D. on March 02, 2015, 03:55:28 PM
Was Anaheim in such need for D that they picked up three today? 
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Kessel Run on March 02, 2015, 03:58:33 PM
Kinda agree with O'Neill there, cheap, big, good attitude, a guy you probably wouldn't mind keeping around. Can be replaced though.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 03:59:38 PM
Kinda agree with O'Neill there, cheap, big, good attitude, a guy you probably wouldn't mind keeping around. Can be replaced though.

Keith Aulie cleared waivers today, you could say all those things about him too.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Damian on March 02, 2015, 03:59:53 PM
So any NHL team would rather have the latest concussion boy from the Leafs than any of the others.... LOOOOOOL
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Kessel Run on March 02, 2015, 04:00:55 PM
Kinda agree with O'Neill there, cheap, big, good attitude, a guy you probably wouldn't mind keeping around. Can be replaced though.

Keith Aulie cleared waivers today, you could say all those things about him too.

True, which is why he could be replaced.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: cw on March 02, 2015, 04:03:00 PM

Don't know if that's accurate but it was retweeted by Chris Johnson
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Potvin29 on March 02, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
Kinda agree with O'Neill there, cheap, big, good attitude, a guy you probably wouldn't mind keeping around. Can be replaced though.

Keith Aulie cleared waivers today, you could say all those things about him too.

Also: both played on Leafs top pair with Phaneuf.

Beauchemin is literally the only partner Phaneuf has had in Toronto that you could say was a top pairing D on another good team too.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 04:04:36 PM

Don't know if that's accurate but it was retweeted by Chris Johnson

Ducks beat reporter, he's credible. The player is probably just a warm body maybe for the 50-contract limit. We'll see soon I guess, but I wouldn't expect much in that regard.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 04:05:28 PM
Beauchemin is literally the only partner Phaneuf has had in Toronto that you could say was a top pairing D on another good team too.

Stop trying to make fetch happen ;)
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Potvin29 on March 02, 2015, 04:10:47 PM
Beauchemin is literally the only partner Phaneuf has had in Toronto that you could say was a top pairing D on another good team too.

Stop trying to make fetch happen ;)

But really - "here, play top minutes with a revolving door of barely NHL calibre D" then "why don't you excel!?"  Gunnarsson goes to STL, he's getting 2nd pairing minutes.  Franson goes to Nashville, he's getting 3rd pairing minutes.

Once again, as has been an issue with the top line, really good players are being put into situations with other players who aren't at that level and criticized when the results aren't great.
Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 04:11:54 PM
But really - "here, play top minutes with a revolving door of barely NHL calibre D" then "why don't you excel!?"  Gunnarsson goes to STL, he's getting 2nd pairing minutes.  Franson goes to Nashville, he's getting 3rd pairing minutes.

Once again, as has been an issue with the top line, really good players are being put into situations with other players who aren't at that level and criticized when the results aren't great.

Since you won't drop it I'll just point out that Steve Dangle is doing a better job at this than you:

Title: Re: Toronto trades D Korbinian Holzer to Anaheim.
Post by: Potvin29 on March 02, 2015, 04:18:54 PM
But really - "here, play top minutes with a revolving door of barely NHL calibre D" then "why don't you excel!?"  Gunnarsson goes to STL, he's getting 2nd pairing minutes.  Franson goes to Nashville, he's getting 3rd pairing minutes.

Once again, as has been an issue with the top line, really good players are being put into situations with other players who aren't at that level and criticized when the results aren't great.

Since you won't drop it I'll just point out that Steve Dangle is doing a better job at this than you:



That's making a completely different point, but I saw that bro's tweet anyway.
Title: Re: Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: cw on March 02, 2015, 04:22:17 PM
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 02, 2015, 04:23:25 PM
Eric Brewer??
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Potvin29 on March 02, 2015, 04:24:15 PM
Brewer's an expiring contract.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 04:24:24 PM
Wow, a 5th for Holzer and to the next 2 months of Brewer's contract? That's actually fantastic.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: cw on March 02, 2015, 04:25:31 PM
Yep, they kind of bought themselves going up from a 7th to a 5th by eating Brewer's remaining salary

EDIT: with all the D Anaheim added today, Holzer may have just been a throw in and the money bought the pick.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 02, 2015, 04:26:43 PM
Wow, a 5th for Holzer and to the next 2 months of Brewer's contract? That's actually fantastic.

Nonis wins the trade deadline.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Zee on March 02, 2015, 04:26:59 PM
Who's keeping track, the Leafs have seemed to pick up quite a few draft picks the last little while. 
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: cw on March 02, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
Who's keeping track, the Leafs have seemed to pick up quite a few draft picks the last little while.

link (http://www.prosportstransactions.com/hockey/DraftTrades/Future/MapleLeafs.htm)
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 04:33:13 PM
Who's keeping track, the Leafs have seemed to pick up quite a few draft picks the last little while. 

They've added 5 draft picks since the Franson trade. NAS 1st, PIT 4th, ANA 5th, STL 6th in 2015 and PIT 2nd in 2016.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 02, 2015, 04:38:23 PM
Who's keeping track, the Leafs have seemed to pick up quite a few draft picks the last little while. 

It's a start, but we're going to need to add a lot more in the next couple of years (hopefully starting at 5 he draft).

They've added 5 draft picks since the Franson trade. NAS 1st, PIT 4th, ANA 5th, STL 6th in 2015 and PIT 2nd in 2016.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Potvin29 on March 02, 2015, 04:39:19 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 02, 2015, 04:40:05 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.

Maybe a couple more can be acquired before draft day after the playoffs are over.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 04:40:46 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.

Gotta think we get at least one more pick in that territory during the offseason from the other guys.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Potvin29 on March 02, 2015, 04:41:13 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.

Maybe a couple more can be acquired before draft day after the playoffs are over.

Yep, I'm expecting more moves around then.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on March 02, 2015, 04:45:32 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.

Maybe a couple more can be acquired before draft day after the playoffs are over.

Yep, I'm expecting more moves around then.

I mean really at this point can the Leafs go in to next season with Lupul, Bozak, Phanuef and Kessel on this team?
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: Darryl on March 02, 2015, 04:48:02 PM
Brewer, Horton.. If Paul Coffey wasn't retired I'd think this team was working on a strange marketing plan with Tim Hortons.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 02, 2015, 04:58:36 PM
Brewer, Horton.. If Paul Coffey wasn't retired I'd think this team was working on a strange marketing plan with Tim Hortons.

 ;D
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: Highlander on March 02, 2015, 05:02:40 PM
make that a dark roast
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: L K on March 02, 2015, 05:04:38 PM
Correct me if I"m wrong, but is Holzer not a pending UFA.   He also has a concussion.  So we got something for a guy who at his worst may not even play another game and at best is a depth defenseman.  He's also exactly the kind of guy that would be available July 3rd if the Leafs want to bring him back.  In fact he's likely a guy who doesn't have a contract until the end of July.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 02, 2015, 05:08:01 PM
Correct me if I"m wrong, but is Holzer not a pending UFA.   He also has a concussion.  So we got something for a guy who at his worst may not even play another game and at best is a depth defenseman.  He's also exactly the kind of guy that would be available July 3rd if the Leafs want to bring him back.  In fact he's likely a guy who doesn't have a contract until the end of July.

Holzer was definitely a UFA.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 02, 2015, 05:10:17 PM

Correct me if I"m wrong, but is Holzer not a pending UFA.   He also has a concussion.  So we got something for a guy who at his worst may not even play another game and at best is a depth defenseman.  He's also exactly the kind of guy that would be available July 3rd if the Leafs want to bring him back.  In fact he's likely a guy who doesn't have a contract until the end of July.

As someone else mentioned, this was likely just a financial get out of jail trade for Anaheim.

The leafs also told Holzer they'd try and get him to a playoff team.

Two birds one stone.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2015, 06:03:12 PM
Correct me if I"m wrong, but is Holzer not a pending UFA.   He also has a concussion.  So we got something for a guy who at his worst may not even play another game and at best is a depth defenseman.  He's also exactly the kind of guy that would be available July 3rd if the Leafs want to bring him back.  In fact he's likely a guy who doesn't have a contract until the end of July.

This deal was probably more about ditching Brewer's contract than it was acquiring a 8/9 defenceman. Despite often being a contending team the Ducks have usually had to work within an internal budget that is much lower than the actual cap. They added about $2.5mil to their budget in the Wisniewski trade so this helps soften that blow for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: skrackle on March 02, 2015, 06:04:30 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.

Maybe a couple more can be acquired before draft day after the playoffs are over.

Yep, I'm expecting more moves around then.

I mean really at this point can the Leafs go in to next season with Lupul, Bozak, Phanuef and Kessel on this team?

I can't see it.

Of those four, I think Phaneuf and Kessel need to go before next season. They both symbolize what's wrong with the current Leafs, while still having potential value for other teams. Phaneuf does seem to care and is a good but overpaid and miscast defenseman. Kessel has tons of talent but his attitude seems to have slipped. Both will be too old when the rebuild is complete.

Bozak and Lupul aren't part of the future either, but I think their importance and the urgency of moving them is secondary.

Nonis has done well in ridding the Leafs of the Clarkson albatross, but if he's to make a case for himself being Leaf GM through the rebuild, he needs to prove it by getting maximum value for those two players.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 02, 2015, 06:18:43 PM
By adding a Brewer and a Horton, I can't help but think the plan is to recreate the defense corps from the 1964-65 Maple Leafs team.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: Joe S. on March 02, 2015, 06:39:03 PM
Eric Brewer? The greatest Oiler defencemen of all time? He finally fulfills his destiny and comes home to the leafs... I remember every rumour from around 99-03 had the LEafs landing him somehow for the famous Antropov, Colaiacovo and a pick...
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 5th
Post by: Rebel_1812 on March 02, 2015, 06:51:40 PM
Still only two picks in the top 60, which is disappointing.

Maybe a couple more can be acquired before draft day after the playoffs are over.

Yep, I'm expecting more moves around then.

I mean really at this point can the Leafs go in to next season with Lupul, Bozak, Phanuef and Kessel on this team?

I can't see it.

Of those four, I think Phaneuf and Kessel need to go before next season. They both symbolize what's wrong with the current Leafs, while still having potential value for other teams. Phaneuf does seem to care and is a good but overpaid and miscast defenseman. Kessel has tons of talent but his attitude seems to have slipped. Both will be too old when the rebuild is complete.

Bozak and Lupul aren't part of the future either, but I think their importance and the urgency of moving them is secondary.

Nonis has done well in ridding the Leafs of the Clarkson albatross, but if he's to make a case for himself being Leaf GM through the rebuild, he needs to prove it by getting maximum value for those two players.

You can make the case nonis or burke are good with trades; but neither was good at drafted.  That is what has f'd up the leafs.  The only picks that have made the team are the first rounders.  And some of those have been bombs too.  Other organizations have got more quality players in the draft that past few years.  Leafs need better draft to improve out of a basement dwelling team.
Title: Re: Toronto trades Holzer to Anaheim for Brewer and a 2016 5th
Post by: KW Sluggo on March 02, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
Brewer, Horton.. If Paul Coffey wasn't retired I'd think this team was working on a strange marketing plan with Tim Hortons.

At least then we could roll up the rim to win. As it is I am concussed and awaiting to be traded to someplace out west for little to no return.