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Title: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2015, 12:05:19 PM
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Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Potvin29 on March 01, 2015, 12:07:13 PM
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Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Sarge on March 01, 2015, 12:08:51 PM
Gotta figure at least one D is on his way out by tomorrow.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2015, 12:10:34 PM
RFA at the end of the year. Good guy to have for the bottom pairing. Should keep Granberg away from the team if someone else gets traded or if injuries hit.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: sneakyray on March 01, 2015, 12:11:55 PM
well...now I'm excited!
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2015, 12:14:08 PM
Gotta figure at least one D is on his way out by tomorrow.

They only had 6 defencemen on the roster, and everyone's healthy. They needed someone else and I think that they either didn't like their options on the Marlies or wanted to keep certain guys in the AHL for now.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Sarge on March 01, 2015, 12:20:45 PM
Gotta figure at least one D is on his way out by tomorrow.

They only had 6 defencemen on the roster, and everyone's healthy. They needed someone else and I think that they either didn't like their options on the Marlies or wanted to keep certain guys in the AHL for now.

Ah, certainly makes it easier though.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Highlander on March 01, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
Lets dream that the Pylon can be moved right after Clarkson. That would be mind-blowing.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Rebel_1812 on March 01, 2015, 01:09:35 PM
what is his corsi?
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Chris on March 01, 2015, 01:32:48 PM
I think most likely they're going to try to get a pick for Holzer. Second most likely, Polak gets moved for a better return. Least likely, Phaneuf...think he's a summer deal though my preference would be for him to go ASAP.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Highlander on March 01, 2015, 01:45:19 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 01, 2015, 02:05:34 PM
Let us hope he plays Lou Gehrig to Phanuef's Wally Pipp.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Joe S. on March 01, 2015, 02:11:19 PM
Let us hope he plays Lou Gehrig to Phanuef's Wally Pipp.

Come on... It's stuff like this that leads people to mock leafs fans. How in the world does a 24 year old with 78 career games replace Phaneuf? No matter what your opinion of Phaneuf is that's just ridiculous.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: MetalRaven on March 01, 2015, 02:19:43 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

We could brand them "the -ak pack"
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 01, 2015, 02:22:11 PM
Let us hope he plays Lou Gehrig to Phanuef's Wally Pipp.

Come on... It's stuff like this that leads people to mock leafs fans. How in the world does a 24 year old with 78 career games replace Phaneuf? No matter what your opinion of Phaneuf is that's just ridiculous.

After I take my tongue out of my cheek I'll respond to that.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Joe S. on March 01, 2015, 02:26:26 PM
Ok I'm sorry... I didn't realize it was sarcasm.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 01, 2015, 02:35:25 PM
Ok I'm sorry... I didn't realize it was sarcasm.

No apologies necessary.  I don't like using the winkey-smiley so it's anybody's guess what I mean.  Often even I don't know.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: cw on March 01, 2015, 03:38:35 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: RedLeaf on March 01, 2015, 03:53:25 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.

I think Rielly absolutely has to stay. I agree with the rest.

Too bad we have to wait for the off season for the big moves to take place. This draft really looks like a juicy one. Burning it ALL down right now, and sinking this ship as far down to bottom as possible could net this team a real nice haul and help start the rebuild with some nice pieces.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: cw on March 01, 2015, 04:21:52 PM
I think Rielly absolutely has to stay. I agree with the rest.

I don't. Make him part of a package to get one of:
- a young franchise center
- a young stud dman (some might argue he is ..)
- a young top 10 goalie

They want to rebuild? Then they have to pull out all the stops to get some cornerstones for the rebuild. If it costs them Rielly, you usually can't get something for nothing, so be it.

I wouldn't give him away. I just wouldn't ignore that he might deliver a key asset. I have no emotional attachment to him.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 01, 2015, 04:36:46 PM
Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.


Yet another rebuilding job.  That seems to be the organization's favourite phrase over the course of the Leafs history as I remember it.  And now it starts again, only this time it had better be for real once and for all if this organization is serious enough about competing.

I agree with your assessment concerning the GM as well.
Which leads me to a question -- if Shanahan hadn't come on board in his present role, would any change(s) have occurred?
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2015, 04:44:26 PM
I don't. Make him part of a package to get one of:
- a young franchise center
- a young stud dman (some might argue he is ..)
- a young top 10 goalie

Yeah, I'd say Rielly's definitely got "stud dman" potential so I don't really see a trade there. I could consider moving him for a potential franchise centre, but the odds of a trade like that happening are pretty slim. I absolutely wouldn't move him for a goalie though, unless his name was Price or Rask and those guys obviously aren't going anywhere. Goalies are way too unpredictable (just look at Bernier) to trade something as valuable as Rielly for.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: TML fan on March 01, 2015, 04:47:30 PM
I'd be looking to move Gardiner ASAP.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: cw on March 01, 2015, 04:50:02 PM
I don't. Make him part of a package to get one of:
- a young franchise center
- a young stud dman (some might argue he is ..)
- a young top 10 goalie

Yeah, I'd say Rielly's definitely got "stud dman" potential so I don't really see a trade there. I could consider moving him for a potential franchise centre, but the odds of a trade like that happening are pretty slim. I absolutely wouldn't move him for a goalie though, unless his name was Price or Rask and those guys obviously aren't going anywhere. Goalies are way too unpredictable (just look at Bernier) to trade something as valuable as Rielly for.

Yeah, I haven't been able to figure goalies since the lockout. I agree. Some in hockey might have them figured out though (they are drafting them better).

I might trade Bernier & Gardiner to the Oilers for one of their floundering hot shot top pick forwards - trying to steal a franchise player.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2015, 04:52:14 PM
I might trade Bernier & Gardiner to the Oilers for one of their floundering hot shot top pick forwards - trying to steal a franchise player.

I'd definitely be shopping Bernier too to see what we could get. There could be a few teams looking for goalies this offseason. San Jose would likely be very interested. Have Reimer plus a free agent hold down the fort for a little while.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 01, 2015, 04:53:00 PM
I'd be looking to move Gardiner ASAP.

I don't know if this is a joke, but I'm torn on him. He's been much better under Horachek but he's nowhere near worth $4M a year at this point in time.

He'd be best packaged with someone else on the roster IMO, as he's not especially valuable on his own.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: TML fan on March 01, 2015, 04:57:07 PM
Not a joke. I can't stand Gardiner.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: cw on March 01, 2015, 05:05:41 PM
I might trade Bernier & Gardiner to the Oilers for one of their floundering hot shot top pick forwards - trying to steal a franchise player.

I'd definitely be shopping Bernier too to see what we could get. There could be a few teams looking for goalies this offseason. San Jose would likely be very interested. Have Reimer plus a free agent hold down the fort for a little while.

I don't think Reimer is the real deal as a top 10 NHL goalie. But he's one down to earth personality I don't mind keeping around. (who knows for sure if you're not in the locker room but that's my impression from his interviews).
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 01, 2015, 05:09:22 PM
I don't think Reimer is the real deal as a top 10 NHL goalie. But he's one down to earth personality I don't mind keeping around. (who knows for sure if you're not in the locker room but that's my impression from his interviews).

Definitely not, but that's a pretty high standard. I think he can be a competent starter for a non-playoff team, and really that's all we need for the next couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Chris on March 01, 2015, 05:12:04 PM
I don't know what the heck to do with the goalies, but probably one of them needs to go.

As for Gardiner - he's definitely not worth his contract right now. However, if we are doing this rebuild right, that contract won't be an issue for a few years. Question is, does he continue to improve or is it a case of "what we see (now) is what we get"? I've seen some signs of improvement but I wouldn't be too terribly upset if he was moved.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: freer on March 01, 2015, 05:13:20 PM
I don't think Reimer is the real deal as a top 10 NHL goalie. But he's one down to earth personality I don't mind keeping around. (who knows for sure if you're not in the locker room but that's my impression from his interviews).

Definitely not, but that's a pretty high standard. I think he can be a competent starter for a non-playoff team, and really that's all we need for the next couple of seasons.

Neither is Bernier.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: moon111 on March 01, 2015, 07:50:16 PM
I think the Leaf players have gotten away with too much for too long.  Defence can be sacrificing.  You sometimes have to make a safe, smart play over a risky play.  To ask for such out of Kessel seems to have killed him. 
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Bender on March 01, 2015, 07:59:59 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Tigger on March 01, 2015, 08:11:28 PM
If it's the right deal, no player is untouchable, Rielly you need treasure for followed narrowly by JVR and Kessel.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Potvin29 on March 01, 2015, 08:21:14 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: mr grieves on March 01, 2015, 08:45:18 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.

Jeez. I always lurked to benefit from cw's carefully balanced opinions, long-view reasonableness, and moderating influence. So, this seems... different.

I've got little emotional attachment to these players. Last one I really liked was probably Franson, because he came over on a smart trade, had knocks on his game but made good and even exceeded expectations, seemed to have the right attitude... I probably still have a soft spot for Kessel, because when he's on, that shot brings great joy. But otherwise, nah. So, 'dump the bunch of losers' certainly has some appeal.

While there's no one I wouldn't mind trading if it brought one of the things they'll most need to contend -- an elite 1C, a stud 1D, or a high-scoring winger, who'll be in his prime in 3-5 years -- I don't know if there's any package of Richard Panik, Nazem Kadri, Jake Gardiner or any of the guys under 26s that'll bring that sort of return (well, maybe Rielly + JvR?). And since those guys will be in their primes in 3-5 years, I don't know that there's much profit in dumping them. The Leafs will, eventually, need a competitive second line and top four, and some of the under 26s they're now thinking of as the core look like they'll turn into that, at least.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: brothert on March 01, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
i feel cw's thinking. i survived the 80s and it may be because im getting crusty in my midlife but i dont feel or see any form of anguish from any of this current group. 80's players were bad talent wise but they give a crap. i almost kicked my tv in last night. please gimme some darcy tucker lose yer crap emotion ....
something.  get out of the fetal position you bums and dig yourselves out.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: KW Sluggo on March 01, 2015, 09:08:23 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.

I think Rielly absolutely has to stay. I agree with the rest.

Too bad we have to wait for the off season for the big moves to take place. This draft really looks like a juicy one. Burning it ALL down right now, and sinking this ship as far down to bottom as possible could net this team a real nice haul and help start the rebuild with some nice pieces.

Agreed, Red Leaf.

Keep Captain Morgan, 86 the rest.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: slapshot on March 01, 2015, 09:27:16 PM
Unlike some who are just so disgusted (so am I) they want to see the whole roster traded, I don't think that is actually necessary.
I think a culture change can occur by rooting out the main core issues, bringing in or developing some real leaders (i.e. Morgan Rielly) and have a few key players regroup or continue development. Here is my assessment for whatever it's worth:

1. Phaneuf. Number 1 problem. Too slow, often seems lost defensively for a guy who is a captain. Didn't stand up and be counted when needed (i.e. Eric Staal slapshot). Doesn't provide confidence to a team needing some.
2. Kessel. I had always been a Phil supporter through Seguin trade years and all the dissing of him over the trade. I thought he hung in there scored his goals and was exciting to watch. But this year's really bother me. He mailed in for much of the year. His compete in the corners was even lower than usual. To hear he doesn't look after himself fitness wise and is one of the first of the ice in practice is not what you needed. There was an article that suggested this has even rubbed off on Bozak (maybe you could say the same for JVR). I think he and Phaneuf need to be moved most importantly to change the culture.
3. Bozak. Depending on what they get back, I'd trade him. But if the deal wasn't right, I'd give him a chance to prove himself again with Kessel gone as a third line center only. He's not a number one and Kadri likely is number 2 for a while.
4. JVR. I think he can rebound, with some of the rest of the core cleaned out.
5. Lupul. Again, would depend on the return in a trade, but I wouldn't be opposed to Lupul coming back if he could stay healthy. Probably the best of veteran leadership they have on the existing roster when he's healthy, along with Polak.
6. Speaking of Polak, not opposed to having him back either, or Holtzer for that matter.

It's really about what can you get in a trade? If it betters you club's prospects sure, but no sense trading just for the sake of it.

I think the Leafs need to wait longer on Rielly for sure, and also Gardiner and Kadri. I see some progress in both the latter two's game as well, just not as much as we'd like. But with a more dedicated roster, not necessarily a better one, but one that tries harder, they could continue to improve as well.

Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 01, 2015, 09:39:28 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Chris on March 01, 2015, 09:42:21 PM
What happened to Holzer? I missed the early part of the game and all I heard the announcers say was he left with an "upper body injury". Did it look season-ending?
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: cw on March 01, 2015, 10:28:15 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Captain Canuck on March 01, 2015, 11:03:31 PM
I totally get where you are coming from cw. There is a definite lack of likeability with the current Leafs roster. I used to have favourite Leafs players until about 5 years ago. I don't think its a coincidence that is when the current group began to be assembled. I just couldn't care less about this group of players!
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: pmrules on March 01, 2015, 11:11:34 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.

Same here cw.  I was actually at this same point you were about this time last year.  When they would allow a third collapse to happen after what happened in game 7, I was done with this core group.   It's not that they lost - I don't mind the losing, but it's the way that they lost, and continued to lose, that mattered to me. I agree, there is nothing endearing about any of the core.  Kessel can not be the best forward on this team and Phaneuf can't be the best defence man on this team.  They've proven they can't be it as a tandem.  Something has to change with this core.  Either Kessel needs to be slotted down or phaneuf does or both need to be slotted down.

I can be convinced of a Kessel for Norris type d-man in return to slot Phaneuf down one or something to that effect.   

In terms of who I would keep....yes Reilly is part of the future.  I don't know what Kadri is....is he a number 1 or a number 2.  I can wait to find out.  I've been waiting for a year and a half for either Bernier or Reimer to take the reigns of the net, but neither has.  Reimer has had ample opportunity, as has Bernier.  Gardiner is great offensively, but defensively is suspect - Am willing to wait unless a solid offer comes in.

Not too attached to anyone else.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Chris on March 01, 2015, 11:15:22 PM
Yeah, not attached to any of this group. It would be nice to see Rielly develop over the years and become a key part of the resurgence. Kadri seems to want to be here and is working at his game, but I don't really see #1 center potential in him. Maybe he can get there with time. Many seem to think JVR should be part of the rebuild but I don't like what I've seen of his game during the past couple of months.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 02, 2015, 02:40:22 AM
Yeah, not attached to any of this group. It would be nice to see Rielly develop over the years and become a key part of the resurgence. Kadri seems to want to be here and is working at his game, but I don't really see #1 center potential in him. Maybe he can get there with time. Many seem to think JVR should be part of the rebuild but I don't like what I've seen of his game during the past couple of months.


IMO Reilly and Kadri should stay.  I like what I see in Reillly much more than what I see in Gardiner, and as for Kadri, of all the Leaf players under Horachek, it seems that Nazem has tried hard to change his game to adapt as a better two-way forward.  He seems interested in improving.

The rest...well, figure them out. 

Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: MetalRaven on March 02, 2015, 05:19:34 AM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.

For me its not just the awful play its mostly, like you said, lack of respect for these players.

"I skated about 3 times or so this summer" Phil said something along these lines at the beginning of the year (Im sure someone has the direct quote). What kind of attitude is that? Seriously? Even if it isn't true, if you're coming into the season basically saying I took the summer off...you had better get us to the playoffs minimum. If not you deserve every tossed jersey and criticism leveled at you. Then we got Bozak saying how disrespectful the fans are for booing. Tough. Our top point getter told us at the beginning of the season that he didn't care enough to train in the off season, so when it looks hes mailing it in and to be honest most of the team looks that way on most nights, I think we can boo...Maple Leaf fans are still paying the highest ticket prices, about a months rent for some tickets, I think they deserve to express displeasure when the team cant be bothered. So they follow that up with? Skipping the fan salute.

This from a team that is responsible for the longest losing streak in TML history.

Historically bad, and to hear them talk, its the fans fault.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: skrackle on March 02, 2015, 05:39:59 PM
Yeah, not attached to any of this group. It would be nice to see Rielly develop over the years and become a key part of the resurgence. Kadri seems to want to be here and is working at his game, but I don't really see #1 center potential in him. Maybe he can get there with time. Many seem to think JVR should be part of the rebuild but I don't like what I've seen of his game during the past couple of months.


IMO Reilly and Kadri should stay.  I like what I see in Reillly much more than what I see in Gardiner, and as for Kadri, of all the Leaf players under Horachek, it seems that Nazem has tried hard to change his game to adapt as a better two-way forward.  He seems interested in improving.

The rest...well, figure them out.

I basically agree. Those two are the players I would look at keeping through a re-build. But, if they are essential parts of a trade that moves the Leafs forward, well then, goodbye and thanks.

Some people are looking at this as a 3 year process. That timeline could be accurate if everything works perfectly and then some for the Leafs, but when does that ever happen? I think 5-7 years is more realistic, with a contending team possibly emerging in the last 1 or 2 years.

Almost everybody on the current team should really be on the way out. It won't happen all at once, though.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 02, 2015, 06:49:19 PM

Yeah, not attached to any of this group. It would be nice to see Rielly develop over the years and become a key part of the resurgence. Kadri seems to want to be here and is working at his game, but I don't really see #1 center potential in him. Maybe he can get there with time. Many seem to think JVR should be part of the rebuild but I don't like what I've seen of his game during the past couple of months.


IMO Reilly and Kadri should stay.  I like what I see in Reillly much more than what I see in Gardiner, and as for Kadri, of all the Leaf players under Horachek, it seems that Nazem has tried hard to change his game to adapt as a better two-way forward.  He seems interested in improving.

The rest...well, figure them out.

I basically agree. Those two are the players I would look at keeping through a re-build. But, if they are essential parts of a trade that moves the Leafs forward, well then, goodbye and thanks.

Some people are looking at this as a 3 year process. That timeline could be accurate if everything works perfectly and then some for the Leafs, but when does that ever happen? I think 5-7 years is more realistic, with a contending team possibly emerging in the last 1 or 2 years.

Almost everybody on the current team should really be on the way out. It won't happen all at once, though.

I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 02, 2015, 06:50:03 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.

For me its not just the awful play its mostly, like you said, lack of respect for these players.

"I skated about 3 times or so this summer" Phil said something along these lines at the beginning of the year (Im sure someone has the direct quote). What kind of attitude is that? Seriously? Even if it isn't true, if you're coming into the season basically saying I took the summer off...you had better get us to the playoffs minimum. If not you deserve every tossed jersey and criticism leveled at you. Then we got Bozak saying how disrespectful the fans are for booing. Tough. Our top point getter told us at the beginning of the season that he didn't care enough to train in the off season, so when it looks hes mailing it in and to be honest most of the team looks that way on most nights, I think we can boo...Maple Leaf fans are still paying the highest ticket prices, about a months rent for some tickets, I think they deserve to express displeasure when the team cant be bothered. So they follow that up with? Skipping the fan salute.

This from a team that is responsible for the longest losing streak in TML history.

Historically bad, and to hear them talk, its the fans fault.

You think that because Toronto fans are idiotic enough to pay the highest prices in the league on a terrible hockey team that they have the right to boo?

I'm not removing a fan's right to voice displeasure or boo but I'm certainly not booing based on my stupidity of buying an overpriced ticket to a show I knew was going to be terrible in the first place.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: MetalRaven on March 02, 2015, 07:20:14 PM
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.

For me its not just the awful play its mostly, like you said, lack of respect for these players.

"I skated about 3 times or so this summer" Phil said something along these lines at the beginning of the year (Im sure someone has the direct quote). What kind of attitude is that? Seriously? Even if it isn't true, if you're coming into the season basically saying I took the summer off...you had better get us to the playoffs minimum. If not you deserve every tossed jersey and criticism leveled at you. Then we got Bozak saying how disrespectful the fans are for booing. Tough. Our top point getter told us at the beginning of the season that he didn't care enough to train in the off season, so when it looks hes mailing it in and to be honest most of the team looks that way on most nights, I think we can boo...Maple Leaf fans are still paying the highest ticket prices, about a months rent for some tickets, I think they deserve to express displeasure when the team cant be bothered. So they follow that up with? Skipping the fan salute.

This from a team that is responsible for the longest losing streak in TML history.

Historically bad, and to hear them talk, its the fans fault.

You think that because Toronto fans are idiotic enough to pay the highest prices in the league on a terrible hockey team that they have the right to boo?

I'm not removing a fan's right to voice displeasure or boo but I'm certainly not booing based on my stupidity of buying an overpriced ticket to a show I knew was going to be terrible in the first place.

I don't think Leaf fans are idiots.  I actually believe Leaf fans pay for those tickets with an expectation that the players actually show some motivation or emotion during the game, and if dissatisfied, I most definitely believe that gives them right to "boo"

Management and players should hear from the fans if they fail to meet expectations, ultimately its the fans paying for all of it.

(My personal contribution is a mini stick, a couple of face cloths and a jersey...so I boo, quietly, at home.)
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: mr grieves on March 02, 2015, 08:52:47 PM
I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Yeah, that's about what I think of where they are, and why I don't think things are as bleak as some apparently do. It's certainly not a core to build a contender around, but some of the secondary pieces -- which would take longer to develop anyway -- are already in place and developing into their primes (Kadri, Gardiner, JvR). And there are some promising guys who might also pan out (Panik, Holland, Percy) as solid top-6/top-4 contributors. If the Leafs draft sufficiently high-end talent this year, they might have a good team by 2018-19.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: hap_leaf on March 02, 2015, 09:36:32 PM
I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Yeah, that's about what I think of where they are, and why I don't think things are as bleak as some apparently do. It's certainly not a core to build a contender around, but some of the secondary pieces -- which would take longer to develop anyway -- are already in place and developing into their primes (Kadri, Gardiner, JvR). And there are some promising guys who might also pan out (Panik, Holland, Percy) as solid top-6/top-4 contributors. If the Leafs draft sufficiently high-end talent this year, they might have a good team by 2018-19.

You'll have to forgive those in their 40's who have watched this team since Sittler was our Captain, for a lack of optimism.  I never thought I'd watch this team all this time and never see a Cup.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 03, 2015, 01:02:45 AM
You'll have to forgive those in their 40's who have watched this team since Sittler was our Captain, for a lack of optimism.  I never thought I'd watch this team all this time and never see a Cup.


I echo.  Been watching the Leafs since the mid '70's and I don't think we'll see a Cup until we all grow whiskers!  :D  :)
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 01:17:33 AM
I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Yeah, that's about what I think of where they are, and why I don't think things are as bleak as some apparently do. It's certainly not a core to build a contender around, but some of the secondary pieces -- which would take longer to develop anyway -- are already in place and developing into their primes (Kadri, Gardiner, JvR). And there are some promising guys who might also pan out (Panik, Holland, Percy) as solid top-6/top-4 contributors. If the Leafs draft sufficiently high-end talent this year, they might have a good team by 2018-19.

You'll have to forgive those in their 40's who have watched this team since Sittler was our Captain, for a lack of optimism.  I never thought I'd watch this team all this time and never see a Cup.

This feels like the 80's again to some extent.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:00:11 AM
I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Yeah, that's about what I think of where they are, and why I don't think things are as bleak as some apparently do. It's certainly not a core to build a contender around, but some of the secondary pieces -- which would take longer to develop anyway -- are already in place and developing into their primes (Kadri, Gardiner, JvR). And there are some promising guys who might also pan out (Panik, Holland, Percy) as solid top-6/top-4 contributors. If the Leafs draft sufficiently high-end talent this year, they might have a good team by 2018-19.

You'll have to forgive those in their 40's who have watched this team since Sittler was our Captain, for a lack of optimism.  I never thought I'd watch this team all this time and never see a Cup.

This feels like the 80's again to some extent.

Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 03, 2015, 08:15:50 AM
This feels like the 80's again to some extent.

Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.

That's a reflection of the 1980s NHL, not of the Leafs.  In 1985-86, the Leafs made the playoffs with 57 points and the 3rd worst record in the NHL.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2015, 08:17:40 AM
I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Yeah, that's about what I think of where they are, and why I don't think things are as bleak as some apparently do. It's certainly not a core to build a contender around, but some of the secondary pieces -- which would take longer to develop anyway -- are already in place and developing into their primes (Kadri, Gardiner, JvR). And there are some promising guys who might also pan out (Panik, Holland, Percy) as solid top-6/top-4 contributors. If the Leafs draft sufficiently high-end talent this year, they might have a good team by 2018-19.

You'll have to forgive those in their 40's who have watched this team since Sittler was our Captain, for a lack of optimism.  I never thought I'd watch this team all this time and never see a Cup.

This feels like the 80's again to some extent.

Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.

They never once made the playoffs in the 80s with a winning record.  That's more a reflection of the composition of the NHL at that time than anything.  In 85-86 they made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a regular season record of 25-48-7.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: freer on March 03, 2015, 08:20:16 AM
I think part of that optimism is tied to the fact that Toronto is rebuilding from a spot that not a lot of others have done.

Usually when a team enters a rebuild, it has mortgaged its future on a bunch of older veterans with not a lot left in the tank and very little youth on the horizon.

Toronto has at least two blue chips in the system already.

Rielly and Nylander

You then have a group of guys who could still be in their prime in 3 years.

Kadri, JVR, Gardiner.

They also have a lot of picks coming up and I'd hazard a few guys with the Marlies who will be strong NHLers.

This is not to mention any return Lupul, Kessel(he could conceivably be part of the Kadri group above) Phaneuf etc bring.

Yes things have to pan out, but it's not outside the realms of possibility.

Yeah, that's about what I think of where they are, and why I don't think things are as bleak as some apparently do. It's certainly not a core to build a contender around, but some of the secondary pieces -- which would take longer to develop anyway -- are already in place and developing into their primes (Kadri, Gardiner, JvR). And there are some promising guys who might also pan out (Panik, Holland, Percy) as solid top-6/top-4 contributors. If the Leafs draft sufficiently high-end talent this year, they might have a good team by 2018-19.

You'll have to forgive those in their 40's who have watched this team since Sittler was our Captain, for a lack of optimism.  I never thought I'd watch this team all this time and never see a Cup.

This feels like the 80's again to some extent.

Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.

They never once made the playoffs in the 80s with a winning record.  That's more a reflection of the composition of the NHL at that time than anything.  In 85-86 they made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a regular season record of 25-48-7.

Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2015, 10:12:44 AM
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.

The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Joe S. on March 03, 2015, 10:20:53 AM
This feels like the 80's again to some extent.

Hey we were bad in the 80's, but we still made the playoffs.

That's a reflection of the 1980s NHL, not of the Leafs.  In 1985-86, the Leafs made the playoffs with 57 points and the 3rd worst record in the NHL.

Also - 16 out of 21 teams made the playoffs... there was almost no point to the regular season.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 11:03:02 AM
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.

The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.

freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team.  They were simply terrible.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: freer on March 03, 2015, 01:22:27 PM
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.

The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.

freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team.  They were simply terrible.

I have been suffering since 75. So yes they were bad. They made the playoffs which is the goal for a team.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Highlander on March 03, 2015, 01:27:19 PM
I watched the 4 cups in the 60's so since 68 my suffering began. And when you have witnessed that many cups it is a severe drought to be sure.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 03, 2015, 06:22:49 PM
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.

The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.

freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team.  They were simply terrible.

I have been suffering since 75. So yes they were bad. They made the playoffs which is the goal for a team.

I think the goal of the team is to win, not just make the playoffs, which is something they didn't do much of.  The 80s, in summary:

- Combined regular season record:  266 - 441 - 93
- Combined playoff record:  17 - 24
- They did not qualify for the playoffs in 4 of their 10 seasons (not easy to do at that time unless you were really terrible)
- One of the six seasons they did qualify, they didn't win a single game
- Two of the six seasons they did qualify, they won one game
- For the 4 seasons between 1988 and 1991, the failed to qualify 3 times, and won a single game the other. 



Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: freer on March 04, 2015, 08:13:02 AM
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.

The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.

freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team.  They were simply terrible.

I have been suffering since 75. So yes they were bad. They made the playoffs which is the goal for a team.

I think the goal of the team is to win, not just make the playoffs, which is something they didn't do much of.  The 80s, in summary:

- Combined regular season record:  266 - 441 - 93
- Combined playoff record:  17 - 24
- They did not qualify for the playoffs in 4 of their 10 seasons (not easy to do at that time unless you were really terrible)
- One of the six seasons they did qualify, they didn't win a single game
- Two of the six seasons they did qualify, they won one game
- For the 4 seasons between 1988 and 1991, the failed to qualify 3 times, and won a single game the other.

So what is your opinion on SJ then finish 1st or 2nd over a 5 year period not winning a round in the playoffs. The playoffs are a different season, any team can win. IMO that is a teams goal to make the playoffs and try to get on a run.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 04, 2015, 08:18:50 AM
So what is your opinion on SJ then finish 1st or 2nd over a 5 year period not winning a round in the playoffs. The playoffs are a different season, any team can win. IMO that is a teams goal to make the playoffs and try to get on a run.

The Sharks have never, in the history of their franchise, gone 5 years without winning a playoff round.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: freer on March 04, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
So what is your opinion on SJ then finish 1st or 2nd over a 5 year period not winning a round in the playoffs. The playoffs are a different season, any team can win. IMO that is a teams goal to make the playoffs and try to get on a run.

The Sharks have never, in the history of their franchise, gone 5 years without winning a playoff round.

Fine you are correct. I have misspoken. They have never lived up to their expectations in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 04, 2015, 08:58:43 AM
Fine you are correct. I have misspoken. They have never lived up to their expectations in the playoffs.

I don't think that's particularly true either. They've had some notable flameouts, sure, but they've had years where they lived up to reasonable expectations. In 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 they made the Conference Finals both years before being knocked out by first a Canucks team that won the Presidents Trophy and then a Blackhawks team that would go on to win the Cup and only had one fewer point in the regular season.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Al14 on March 16, 2015, 03:50:18 PM
Still better then any of us have seen in the last 10 plus years.

The recent Leaf teams have mostly had better records and been better teams than most of the Leafs teams from the 80s, so, no. Simply making the playoffs doesn't mean much now. It meant even less then, when all you had to do to make it was not be the worst team in your division.

freer, you obviously didn't suffer through the 80s with this team.  They were simply terrible.

At least during the '80s, as bad as they were, I felt more optimistic for the future.  Now, for the past 10 plus years, we have had nothing but failure, and, more recently, collapse after collapse, when things were thought to be so promising.

Trading those draft picks for Kessel was pure stupidity on Burke's part IMHO.  It was too soon to make a deal for this kind of player IMHO.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: bustaheims on March 16, 2015, 04:57:18 PM
At least during the '80s, as bad as they were, I felt more optimistic for the future.  Now, for the past 10 plus years, we have had nothing but failure, and, more recently, collapse after collapse, when things were thought to be so promising.

Really? You remember the 80s much differently than I do. In the 80s, you knew going into the season that the Leafs weren't going anywhere. They might make the playoffs by virtue of not being the worst team in their division, but, they certainly weren't going to accomplish anything there. There was also little faith in the drafting or development system and an understanding that just about any player that played well enough to earn a substantial contract (by that era's standards) was going to shipped out of town for pennies on the dollar and that the Leafs would basically be expansion team bad for the foreseeable future. There was no hope for the future until after Harold Ballard passed.

While the team may not have had great results in the last decade, there is very much hope for the future right now. There are some bright prospects in the the system, management seems to be getting on the right page and the focus of the organization seems to be about improvement on the ice, whereas, in the 80s, it was about improving Ballard's bank balance.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 16, 2015, 05:07:15 PM

Yeah. I've been about as critical of MLSE as it's humanly possible to be but even I wouldn't go so far as to say that things were better when the team was owned by a lunatic who would make terrible trades out of spite.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Al14 on March 16, 2015, 05:19:42 PM
At least during the '80s, as bad as they were, I felt more optimistic for the future.  Now, for the past 10 plus years, we have had nothing but failure, and, more recently, collapse after collapse, when things were thought to be so promising.

Really? You remember the 80s much differently than I do. In the 80s, you knew going into the season that the Leafs weren't going anywhere. They might make the playoffs by virtue of not being the worst team in their division, but, they certainly weren't going to accomplish anything there. There was also little faith in the drafting or development system and an understanding that just about any player that played well enough to earn a substantial contract (by that era's standards) was going to shipped out of town for pennies on the dollar and that the Leafs would basically be expansion team bad for the foreseeable future. There was no hope for the future until after Harold Ballard passed.

While the team may not have had great results in the last decade, there is very much hope for the future right now. There are some bright prospects in the the system, management seems to be getting on the right page and the focus of the organization seems to be about improvement on the ice, whereas, in the 80s, it was about improving Ballard's bank balance.

I said the '80s were bad!  There is no question that things were really bad under Ballard!  However, I just felt more optimistic for the future back then than I do today.  I was a lot younger man back than, therefore, I had more time to see a turn around for the team.  Now that I'm turning 60 in a couple of weeks, I'm far less optimistic in seeing a team that will be competitive enough to win a Stanley cup anytime soon.

It's a personal thing for me.  I'd like to see a Maple Leaf Stanley cup championship as an adult.  Time is ticking down for me.  That is why I feel less hope now, than I did in the '80s!
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Frank E on March 16, 2015, 05:28:27 PM
I'm with Busta and Nik on this one, this isn't nearly as bad as it was. There's a team here willing to spend to the cap, and it looks as though there's a better plan in place now.

What I think might be particularly difficult is getting through the 15-16 season...oh man, that's going to be ugly.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 16, 2015, 06:16:52 PM

Yeah. I've been about as critical of MLSE as it's humanly possible to be but even I wouldn't go so far as to say that things were better when the team was owned by a lunatic who would make terrible trades out of spite.

I credit being a fan in the 80s as the reason that this decade-long debacle hasn't deterred me from being a Leaf fan now.  I can't foresee how things could ever be that bad again.  On the flip side, at least tickets were more affordable in those days, and I did enjoy the Gardens.  I've never been to the ACC for a game as I don't live there anymore, but it seems like a pretty sterile environment.  Aside from the whole winning thing, it reminds me of the difference between watching the Jays at CNE stadium vs Skydome.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: L K on March 16, 2015, 06:43:57 PM

Yeah. I've been about as critical of MLSE as it's humanly possible to be but even I wouldn't go so far as to say that things were better when the team was owned by a lunatic who would make terrible trades out of spite.

Ballard joined the Leafs in 58.  They won 4 cups during his reign.  Therefore Ballard was awesome and MLSE is not.   Let's just brush aside the rapists he employed and covered up.  Let's ignore the fraud, criminal charges, the fact that he staged a coup to get ownership in the first place, etc.

I understand that we tend to whitewash bad things over time but at no point in the history or future of this organization will the Ballard era ever be "better" than any other point.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 16, 2015, 06:55:40 PM
I credit being a fan in the 80s as the reason that this decade-long debacle hasn't deterred me from being a Leaf fan now.  I can't foresee how things could ever be that bad again.  On the flip side, at least tickets were more affordable in those days, and I did enjoy the Gardens.  I've never been to the ACC for a game as I don't live there anymore, but it seems like a pretty sterile environment.  Aside from the whole winning thing, it reminds me of the difference between watching the Jays at CNE stadium vs Skydome.

As someone who's been to the ACC a fair number of times I'd tell you that it's really just a matter of perspective. The ACC is "sterile" to some extent but that has much more to do with design than it does with people. It's a fairly cookie cutter modern arena and doesn't have the idiosyncratic appeal the Gardens did but I guarantee you could find people saying the same thing in Boston or Chicago or LA or any city where a beloved old arena was replaced by a slick surfaced place designed to get people to empty their pockets.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 16, 2015, 07:30:37 PM
I credit being a fan in the 80s as the reason that this decade-long debacle hasn't deterred me from being a Leaf fan now.  I can't foresee how things could ever be that bad again.  On the flip side, at least tickets were more affordable in those days, and I did enjoy the Gardens.  I've never been to the ACC for a game as I don't live there anymore, but it seems like a pretty sterile environment.  Aside from the whole winning thing, it reminds me of the difference between watching the Jays at CNE stadium vs Skydome.

As someone who's been to the ACC a fair number of times I'd tell you that it's really just a matter of perspective. The ACC is "sterile" to some extent but that has much more to do with design than it does with people. It's a fairly cookie cutter modern arena and doesn't have the idiosyncratic appeal the Gardens did but I guarantee you could find people saying the same thing in Boston or Chicago or LA or any city where a beloved old arena was replaced by a slick surfaced place designed to get people to empty their pockets.

That's a good point.  I suppose they're just different, and more or less appealing depending on what you're after.

I read an entertaining piece in the NY Times yesterday about Nassau Coliseum.  On one hand you've got an experience where the stadium is loud and you're close to the action, but maybe it's missing some of the creature comforts and perks of a modern stadium.  I'm guessing when the team moves you'll have a good split of people arguing for/against which provides a better experience.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/15/sports/hockey/nassau-coliseum-offers-little-room-for-tv-crews-or-visiting-backup-goalies.html
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: cw on March 16, 2015, 07:47:28 PM

Yeah. I've been about as critical of MLSE as it's humanly possible to be but even I wouldn't go so far as to say that things were better when the team was owned by a lunatic who would make terrible trades out of spite.

Ballard joined the Leafs in 58.  They won 4 cups during his reign.  Therefore Ballard was awesome and MLSE is not.   Let's just brush aside the rapists he employed and covered up.  Let's ignore the fraud, criminal charges, the fact that he staged a coup to get ownership in the first place, etc.

I understand that we tend to whitewash bad things over time but at no point in the history or future of this organization will the Ballard era ever be "better" than any other point.

Ballard didn't take control until Stafford Smythe died in the early '70s. They didn't win "4 cups during his reign. "
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 16, 2015, 07:54:23 PM

I'm with Busta and Nik on this one, this isn't nearly as bad as it was. There's a team here willing to spend to the cap, and it looks as though there's a better plan in place now.

What I think might be particularly difficult is getting through the 15-16 season...oh man, that's going to be ugly.

That last part especially is what has me worried. The media right now is waxing lyrical about how good it is that they are finally rebuilding.

I get the impression that when they are thoroughly embarrassed regularly over the next 18 months the tide will turn and they will start to beat them up about it and second guess every prospect that isn't in the NHL already.

Then you'll have the talk radio phone-in mouth breathers repeating everything Steve Simmons wrote that morning.

This will create another unbearable situation for everyone in the organization to deal with. I just hope they are strong enough to stay the course and call out the media when they start their crap.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 16, 2015, 08:08:49 PM
That last part especially is what has me worried. The media right now is waxing lyrical about how good it is that they are finally rebuilding.

I get the impression that when they are thoroughly embarrassed regularly over the next 18 months the tide will turn and they will start to beat them up about it and second guess every prospect that isn't in the NHL already.

I think the issue is probably going to be what sort of team we see over those next 18 months. We'll almost definitely see a bad one, sure, but is it going to be a bad one with players like McKegg and Connor Brown and Stuart Percy looking feisty? Or is it going to be one where jobs are given to uninspiring veterans because there's not much in the way of NHL prospects within the system?

I think fans will be alright with a young, hardworking team that occasionally has their lunch handed to them. If, however, we get more evidence that absolutely everything has been bungled the last few years it'll probably sour some people.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 16, 2015, 08:15:57 PM
That last part especially is what has me worried. The media right now is waxing lyrical about how good it is that they are finally rebuilding.

I get the impression that when they are thoroughly embarrassed regularly over the next 18 months the tide will turn and they will start to beat them up about it and second guess every prospect that isn't in the NHL already.

I think the issue is probably going to be what sort of team we see over those next 18 months. We'll almost definitely see a bad one, sure, but is it going to be a bad one with players like McKegg and Connor Brown and Stuart Percy looking feisty? Or is it going to be one where jobs are given to uninspiring veterans because there's not much in the way of NHL prospects within the system?

I think fans will be alright with a young, hardworking team that occasionally has their lunch handed to them. If, however, we get more evidence that absolutely everything has been bungled the last few years it'll probably sour some people.

I think the media might actually spin this as the Leafs doing the right thing for once, and cut them some slack.  That's not a certainty, but it wouldn't surprise me.  Of course, if the Leafs make poor draft selections that could change quickly.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Highlander on March 16, 2015, 08:23:46 PM
I agree with Nik, I would rather see the Marlies +  than some retreads.  As long as they lose while fighting to win, then we can wait and see the rebuild progress and be part of the process.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 16, 2015, 09:02:11 PM

That last part especially is what has me worried. The media right now is waxing lyrical about how good it is that they are finally rebuilding.

I get the impression that when they are thoroughly embarrassed regularly over the next 18 months the tide will turn and they will start to beat them up about it and second guess every prospect that isn't in the NHL already.

I think the issue is probably going to be what sort of team we see over those next 18 months. We'll almost definitely see a bad one, sure, but is it going to be a bad one with players like McKegg and Connor Brown and Stuart Percy looking feisty? Or is it going to be one where jobs are given to uninspiring veterans because there's not much in the way of NHL prospects within the system?

I think fans will be alright with a young, hardworking team that occasionally has their lunch handed to them. If, however, we get more evidence that absolutely everything has been bungled the last few years it'll probably sour some people.

Couldn't it be argued that they'd be better off leaving those kids with the Marlies to insulate them, let them develop fully and that running a bunch of retreads for the next 30 months or so with the Leafs will be the means to an end?
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 16, 2015, 09:13:00 PM
Couldn't it be argued that they'd be better off leaving those kids with the Marlies to insulate them, let them develop fully and that running a bunch of retreads for the next 30 months or so with the Leafs will be the means to an end?

Well, McKegg is 22. He'll be 23 when camp opens. At some point I genuinely think it's better for a player's development to be in the NHL and 23 is about the age where either a guy is a NHL player or he's not. Brown's younger, sure, but even still he'll be 22 next year.   I really don't think it's in anyone's interest to keep these guys in the AHL until they're 25.

I don't personally think being on a bad team hurts a promising young player and like I said I think the market/media will actually be pretty easy on a team full of young players trying their hardest so I don't know that there's a lot you need to protect them from.
Title: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 17, 2015, 01:30:40 AM
I understand that, although Detroit might disagree. ;)

Do you think there is any truth to a players development being stunted by being on a perennial loser ala Edmonton.

Personally I think there might be something to it, but not as much as the media claim.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 17, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
I understand that, although Detroit might disagree. ;)

Do you think there is any truth to a players development being stunted by being on a perennial loser ala Edmonton.

Personally I think there might be something to it, but not as much as the media claim.

I know it's a joke but, seriously, Detroit is pretty consistent on that too. 22 or 23(occasionally 24) seems to be, in just about all cases, when they make their decision on whether or not to give a guy a full time NHL job.

I couldn't say about the other thing. It's probably possible, sure, but my guess is that it's a much bigger concern on a team like the Leafs right now than it would be on a team that was building for the future and competing hard every night.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: KadriFan on March 17, 2015, 07:10:53 AM
So how has Erixon been playing?   I haven't seen them play for awhile.  Hoping he he and Sill are keepers
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2015, 09:57:55 AM
So how has Erixon been playing?   I haven't seen them play for awhile.  Hoping he he and Sill are keepers

He's only played 4 games so far, sat a bunch of times. He's played limited minutes with a different defensive partner in each game and 3 of them haven't been NHL calibre (Brewer, Granberg, MacWilliam), the other was playing with a soon-to-be season ending injury (Robidas). So while his results haven't been great he hasn't exactly been put in a position to succeed. Given the options available one thing that should absolutely happen in the remaining games is him being put back in the line-up and played in a top-4 role alongside Rielly. May as well see what he's got.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Potvin29 on March 17, 2015, 10:15:50 AM
So how has Erixon been playing?   I haven't seen them play for awhile.  Hoping he he and Sill are keepers

He's only played 4 games so far, sat a bunch of times. He's played limited minutes with a different defensive partner in each game and 3 of them haven't been NHL calibre (Brewer, Granberg, MacWilliam), the other was playing with a soon-to-be season ending injury (Robidas). So while his results haven't been great he hasn't exactly been put in a position to succeed. Given the options available one thing that should absolutely happen in the remaining games is him being put back in the line-up and played in a top-4 role alongside Rielly. May as well see what he's got.

Are they just playing Brewer to get him to 1000 games?
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 17, 2015, 10:36:43 AM
So how has Erixon been playing?   I haven't seen them play for awhile.  Hoping he he and Sill are keepers

He's only played 4 games so far, sat a bunch of times. He's played limited minutes with a different defensive partner in each game and 3 of them haven't been NHL calibre (Brewer, Granberg, MacWilliam), the other was playing with a soon-to-be season ending injury (Robidas). So while his results haven't been great he hasn't exactly been put in a position to succeed. Given the options available one thing that should absolutely happen in the remaining games is him being put back in the line-up and played in a top-4 role alongside Rielly. May as well see what he's got.

Are they just playing Brewer to get him to 1000 games?

That's my thought as he only needs 2 more, and who knows if he even plays after this season.  I think Erixon has more potential, and Brewer has been downright terrible, so I can't think of any other reason than that.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 17, 2015, 11:22:29 AM
Are they just playing Brewer to get him to 1000 games?

That's what I had hoped, but since the deadline he's received the 2nd most even-strength minutes on the team, behind Gardiner. You'd think that they'd be sheltering him a bit if they were just doing this as a courtesy.
Title: Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
Post by: Al14 on March 17, 2015, 08:42:24 PM
Are they just playing Brewer to get him to 1000 games?

That's what I had hoped, but since the deadline he's received the 2nd most even-strength minutes on the team, behind Gardiner. You'd think that they'd be sheltering him a bit if they were just doing this as a courtesy.

Why shelter him if you're in full tank mode?   :-\