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Title: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Potvin29 on February 03, 2015, 06:08:56 PM
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@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Hearing that the Canucks have shown interest in Leafs C Mike Santorelli, who of course played in Van last yr. Lotsa teams covet him though
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Bullfrog on February 03, 2015, 06:21:44 PM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Boston Leaf on February 03, 2015, 06:48:30 PM
we need to find an idiot like George McPhee when he traded Filip Forsberg from Washington to Nashville for Martin Erat..
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on February 03, 2015, 07:02:00 PM
we need to find an idiot like George McPhee when he traded Filip Forsberg from Washington to Nashville for Martin Erat..

Yeah if we could somehow get Bo Horvat......
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: bustaheims on February 03, 2015, 07:05:49 PM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.

Yup. He's been a good soldier, but, he is what he is. He's a guy that fairly easily replaced with a cheap UFA in the summer. Won't get much more than a 2nd round pick or so in return, but, that's still good a nice addition for someone the Leafs added for nothing.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: L K on February 03, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
we need to find an idiot like George McPhee when he traded Filip Forsberg from Washington to Nashville for Martin Erat..

Don't get me wrong, that was a hilariously bad trade but Santorelli is not equivalent to Martin Erat.  Erat has 536 career points.  Santorelli has 113.  I'm sure we might pull a 2nd round pick or one of those 3rd + 5th kind of trades but we aren't getting a top prospect or 1st round pick for him.  Not even from McPhee.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Bullfrog on February 03, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.

Yup. He's been a good soldier, but, he is what he is. He's a guy that fairly easily replaced with a cheap UFA in the summer. Won't get much more than a 2nd round pick or so in return, but, that's still good a nice addition for someone the Leafs added for nothing.

There's definitely value in a 2nd round pick, even a late one. Would be fantastic if the Leafs hang on to their pick and end up with two or three 2nd rounders. I'd be really tempted to just hang on to all picks instead of moving up.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: L K on February 03, 2015, 07:42:55 PM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.

Yup. He's been a good soldier, but, he is what he is. He's a guy that fairly easily replaced with a cheap UFA in the summer. Won't get much more than a 2nd round pick or so in return, but, that's still good a nice addition for someone the Leafs added for nothing.

There's definitely value in a 2nd round pick, even a late one. Would be fantastic if the Leafs hang on to their pick and end up with two or three 2nd rounders. I'd be really tempted to just hang on to all picks instead of moving up.

In a draft like this one, yeah.  Sure, some of these guys aren't going to amount to anything but there are a handful of guys who are going to be drafting late in the 1st round who would be lottery picks last year.  That only helps the 2nd round by pushing some talented guys back...and a lot of guys who might be overlooked because of their comparables.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Potvin29 on February 03, 2015, 07:50:04 PM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.

Yup. He's been a good soldier, but, he is what he is. He's a guy that fairly easily replaced with a cheap UFA in the summer. Won't get much more than a 2nd round pick or so in return, but, that's still good a nice addition for someone the Leafs added for nothing.

There's definitely value in a 2nd round pick, even a late one. Would be fantastic if the Leafs hang on to their pick and end up with two or three 2nd rounders. I'd be really tempted to just hang on to all picks instead of moving up.

In a draft like this one, yeah.  Sure, some of these guys aren't going to amount to anything but there are a handful of guys who are going to be drafting late in the 1st round who would be lottery picks last year.  That only helps the 2nd round by pushing some talented guys back...and a lot of guys who might be overlooked because of their comparables.

And as Anthony Petrielli mentioned in his Leafs Notebook, maybe this is a draft the Leafs can try to take advantage of OHL players with a couple guys in management (Dubas and Hunter) who would have in depth knowledge of the league and a good portion of the players still eligible.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Bullfrog on February 03, 2015, 07:59:09 PM
My thought process was even simpler: you won't find one of those lucky gems if you simply don't have the picks. Unless there's real possibility of moving up to the top 10-15, just stockpile as many top-60 picks as you can.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
Somebody on twitter brought up an interesting thought the other day: would any team have interest in Winnik and Santorelli as a package? If a team had any doubts about their bottom-6 that would instantly solve it. And their cap hits are low enough that it wouldn't be tough to fit them in. I could see a Vancouver or Pittsburgh being very interested in that.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Nik on February 03, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
Somebody on twitter brought up an interesting thought the other day: would any team have interest in Winnik and Santorelli as a package? If a team had any doubts about their bottom-6 that would instantly solve it. And their cap hits are low enough that it wouldn't be tough to fit them in. I could see a Vancouver or Pittsburgh being very interested in that.

Maybe. But would that substantially improve what the Leafs got as opposed to dealing them separately? Pittsburgh already traded their first and it seems unlikely that Vancouver would deal theirs.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 03, 2015, 08:24:33 PM
Maybe. But would that substantially improve what the Leafs got as opposed to dealing them separately? Pittsburgh already traded their first and it seems unlikely that Vancouver would deal theirs.

I'd be eyeing a 1st rounder if those two were packaged. Thought Pittsburgh would be the ideal trading partner but didn't realize that they traded their pick. Vancouver might not want to move their's just because even with those two they're risking a lot just to probably get eliminated in the 2nd round.

I suppose it'd be tough to find a match, you want a team that can legitimately win the Cup but most of those don't need two good 3rd liners.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: bustaheims on February 03, 2015, 08:29:18 PM
While I'd prefer picks in this year's draft, if a team were to offer a 2016 1st rounder for both of them, I'd be inclined to accept.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 04, 2015, 11:29:31 AM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.

Yup. He's been a good soldier, but, he is what he is. He's a guy that fairly easily replaced with a cheap UFA in the summer. Won't get much more than a 2nd round pick or so in return, but, that's still good a nice addition for someone the Leafs added for nothing.

Exactly.  This is how good teams parlay shrewd but non-essential signings into extra picks that become the basis for the future.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 04, 2015, 11:30:31 AM
Move him.

I really like him as a player and who can play on the 2nd and 3rd lines. But, he's already 29 and I think what you see is what you get. If the team can get good value for him (I'm talking picks and prospects), they should pull the trigger.

Yup. He's been a good soldier, but, he is what he is. He's a guy that fairly easily replaced with a cheap UFA in the summer. Won't get much more than a 2nd round pick or so in return, but, that's still good a nice addition for someone the Leafs added for nothing.

There's definitely value in a 2nd round pick, even a late one. Would be fantastic if the Leafs hang on to their pick and end up with two or three 2nd rounders. I'd be really tempted to just hang on to all picks instead of moving up.

In a draft like this one, yeah.  Sure, some of these guys aren't going to amount to anything but there are a handful of guys who are going to be drafting late in the 1st round who would be lottery picks last year.  That only helps the 2nd round by pushing some talented guys back...and a lot of guys who might be overlooked because of their comparables.

And as Anthony Petrielli mentioned in his Leafs Notebook, maybe this is a draft the Leafs can try to take advantage of OHL players with a couple guys in management (Dubas and Hunter) who would have in depth knowledge of the league and a good portion of the players still eligible.

Excellent point.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on February 04, 2015, 11:31:20 AM
While I'd prefer picks in this year's draft, if a team were to offer a 2016 1st rounder for both of them, I'd be inclined to accept.

In a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Deebo on February 04, 2015, 11:48:26 AM
we need to find an idiot like George McPhee when he traded Filip Forsberg from Washington to Nashville for Martin Erat..

Don't get me wrong, that was a hilariously bad trade but Santorelli is not equivalent to Martin Erat.  Erat has 536 career points.  Santorelli has 113.  I'm sure we might pull a 2nd round pick or one of those 3rd + 5th kind of trades but we aren't getting a top prospect or 1st round pick for him.  Not even from McPhee.

Erat also had an additional two years left on his contract at the time of the deal, he wasn't a rental.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Potvin29 on February 05, 2015, 03:20:00 PM
I guess he knows for some reason.

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@NYP_Brooksie 

Told no progress between Leafs and Santorelli toward contract extension, all but certain to be shopped as rental. Yes, #NYR are interested.
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Boston Leaf on February 05, 2015, 03:23:34 PM
Santorelli and Clarkson for a 6th round pick..make someone take the good with the bad..
Title: Re: Lots of interest in Mike Santorelli
Post by: Highlander on February 08, 2015, 10:31:57 AM
If they take Clarkson as well make that a 7th round pick