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Title: Spezza?
Post by: 4th Liner on September 22, 2011, 08:44:06 PM
From Dave Hodge on Twitter:

Certain members of the Spezza family expect Jason to be a Leaf. I don't believe it--they do.
Mobile Web • 11-09-22 8:29 PM

I know, just an off-hand tweet, but...

I really don't care for Spezza and I shudder to think what we would need to offer up for him.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Tigger on September 22, 2011, 08:46:55 PM
Dislike. Not you 4th Liner...

Is something missing from your post?
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: bustaheims on September 22, 2011, 08:50:19 PM
Yeah, I don't see the Leafs and Sens making a trade of that magnitude.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on September 22, 2011, 08:52:15 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: 4th Liner on September 22, 2011, 08:59:27 PM
Dislike. Not you 4th Liner...

Is something missing from your post?

Yeah, somehow Dave Hodge's twitter got removed from the beginning of my post - I fixed it.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Nik on September 22, 2011, 09:20:18 PM

Certain media people think that tweeting sensationalistic nonsense rumours involving the Leafs is a good way to pick up followers. I don't believe it - Dave Hodge does.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Tigger on September 22, 2011, 09:38:43 PM
Dislike. Not you 4th Liner...

Is something missing from your post?

Yeah, somehow Dave Hodge's twitter got removed from the beginning of my post - I fixed it.

Fair enough. I still have a time thinking of giggles in blue and white, it's unnerving. I just can't stand him.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 09:35:56 AM
Dave Hodge just got a twitter account yesterday and he's already learned how to cause controversy.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
* throws virtual pencil at Hodge *
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Bender on September 23, 2011, 10:11:52 AM
It'd be almost impossible to fit him under the cap. Also: Is he really worth $7mil??
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 10:16:39 AM
It'd be almost impossible to fit him under the cap. Also: Is he really worth $7mil??

That's the ONLY reason I could see Ottawa thinking about trading him.  He has four years left and is $7M cap hit.  Of course the team would suck even worse without Spezza so it wouldn't make sense to deal him unless they get something good back.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2011, 11:42:39 AM
I know we're trained not to like Spezza and all, but he's a point-per-game centre who can play in all situations, has size, and is pretty darn good on the face-offs. And I'm aware that he hasn't actually hit the point-per-game plateau in a few years, but the potential is still definitely there.  He picked up 57 points in 62 games last season when the next highest Senators forward had a whooping 34 points. He's certainly not perfect (injury troubles, slightly overpaid), but he'd instantly be the best forward/player on our team.

Yeah, I don't see the Leafs and Sens making a trade of that magnitude.

Agreed. Melnyk would have to sell the team first for a trade like that to happen.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2011, 11:45:04 AM
With that said, this seems like as good a time as any to re-post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMxJzdVYtXY
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 11:53:29 AM
With that said, this seems like as good a time as any to re-post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMxJzdVYtXY

That never gets old.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sucker Punch on September 23, 2011, 11:55:17 AM
Sure.   Spezza for Kadri, Grabovski and Schenn.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 11:58:41 AM
Sure.   Spezza for Kadri, Grabovski and Schenn.

No way I even deal Schenn for Spezza... even straight up.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sucker Punch on September 23, 2011, 11:58:58 AM
Oh, and you also have to take Kuba as well to make room for Schenn.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Deebo on September 23, 2011, 12:14:00 PM
I'm no Spezza fan, but I'd learn to like him if he played for the Leafs.

If Ottawa was interested in moving him I'd take him in a Phaneuf type deal, but if they insisted on Schenn or Kadri I'd pass.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 23, 2011, 12:15:05 PM
I'm no Spezza fan, but I'd learn to like him if he played for the Leafs.

If Ottawa was interested in moving him I'd take him in a Phaneuf type deal, but if they insisted on Schenn or Kadri I'd pass.

Kadri I would consider parting with, but there's no way I would move Schenn for him.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 12:17:12 PM
I'm no Spezza fan, but I'd learn to like him if he played for the Leafs.

If Ottawa was interested in moving him I'd take him in a Phaneuf type deal, but if they insisted on Schenn or Kadri I'd pass.

Kadri I would consider parting with, but there's no way I would move Schenn for him.

If Bozak rebounds and Lombardi returns, I'd consider Kadri + Grabs... Possibly. I need more time to think about that.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on September 23, 2011, 12:22:01 PM
The only trade for Spezza I'd accept is if we get SP in the deal too......
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Deebo on September 23, 2011, 12:22:49 PM
I think Grabovski has 0 value to the sens because of his contract status.

They'd have trouble re-signing him.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 12:26:05 PM
The only trade for Spezza I'd accept is if we get SP in the deal too......

I'm pretty sure he has a NTC.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: No.92 on September 23, 2011, 12:29:42 PM
With that said, this seems like as good a time as any to re-post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMxJzdVYtXY

That never gets old.  ;D ;D ;D

OMG are you serious?
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Zee on September 23, 2011, 12:32:17 PM
Speaking of the Sens, I went over to capgeek and was wondering why they have a "buyout" listed under Alfredsson in addition to his salary?

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=23
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: bustaheims on September 23, 2011, 12:39:26 PM
Speaking of the Sens, I went over to capgeek and was wondering why they have a "buyout" listed under Alfredsson in addition to his salary?

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=23

They had to buy out the option year of his old pre-cap contract when they signed him to an extension.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 23, 2011, 12:42:09 PM
Speaking of the Sens, I went over to capgeek and was wondering why they have a "buyout" listed under Alfredsson in addition to his salary?

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=23

They had to buy out the option year of his old pre-cap contract when they signed him to an extension.

I think I just did that with my mini-van.  Huh? ???
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Deebo on September 23, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Speaking of the Sens, I went over to capgeek and was wondering why they have a "buyout" listed under Alfredsson in addition to his salary?

http://capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=23

IIRC, it's left over from his pre-lockout deal.

He had a payout due to him if a team options year was declined, and this is the cap hit for that.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Stronger Than All on September 23, 2011, 01:12:12 PM
With that said, this seems like as good a time as any to re-post this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMxJzdVYtXY

That never gets old.  ;D ;D ;D

OMG are you serious?

I prefer this one -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FqMX41jzfk&feature=related
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Potvin29 on September 24, 2011, 02:24:14 AM
Anderson Cooper is the Jason Spezza of television.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MumI6KovUk
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Madferret on September 24, 2011, 08:25:09 AM
For shame Dave Hodge.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Britishbulldog on September 24, 2011, 09:16:25 AM
I can't believe that there would be a Leaf fan that wouldn't want a ppg+ 6'3" player who has atleast 7 years left as a  #1 center.

I have seen him used improperly by his last coach (like as a shutdown center against Crosby in the playoffs which was absolutely idiotic when the Sens had Fisher and Kelly also as centers!!!) but he is an elite puck carrying forward with a great shot.  I don't think there is a forward on the Leafs who is more valuable.  The only forward I would hesitate in trading would be Kulemin but even he is replaceable.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: nutman on September 24, 2011, 10:32:25 AM
What a waist of space. why would we give up top prospects for that clown. we are rebuilding not tearing down. giving up them three for him would be a massave step back.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Leaf 50 on September 24, 2011, 04:29:19 PM
Spezza for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: moon111 on September 24, 2011, 04:53:17 PM
Komi, Bozak, and Leaf's 2nd for Spezza and Ottawa's 1st.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 24, 2011, 04:56:37 PM
Spezza for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

In a heart beat? Personally, I don't think so. I think they're of fairly equal talent. Is the extra 1.6 mil. on Spezza's cap hit justified because he plays center? Maybe. I think it's fairly close to a wash and unless I have a winger in my system capable of 40+ goals per year on the cusp, I might opt to not do that deal just for the sake of doing it.

(edited fot ytpos)  :D
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: moon111 on September 24, 2011, 04:59:44 PM
I'd be harder pressed to find a RW of Kessel's caliber and attributes. 
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sucker Punch on September 24, 2011, 05:54:53 PM
Spezza for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

Michalek for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 24, 2011, 06:00:15 PM
Spezza for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

In a heart beat? Personally, I don't think so. I think they're of fairly equal talent. Is the extra 1.6 mil. on Spezza's cap hit justified because he plays center? Maybe. I think it's fairly close to a wash and unless I have a winger in my system capable of 40+ goals per year on the cusp, I might opt to not do that deal just for the sake of doing it.

(edited fot ytpos)  :D

Even if we say that the two are fairly close offensively, I'd say Spezza is a much more complete player than Kessel. And I think that difference is worth an extra 2.5% of the salary cap. The only thing that would make me hesitate is that it would completely mess up the complexion of our team, especially with the Connolly signing. But if this offer was made to us in June and we were able to sign the right-wing equivalent of Connolly (aka Ryder), then yeah I'd make the trade pretty quickly.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 24, 2011, 06:02:53 PM
In June? Probably. Now? Yeah, I don't know.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: bustaheims on September 24, 2011, 06:12:27 PM
Spezza for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

Michalek for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

Blake Kessel is a Flyer, not a Leaf. :P
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Tigger on September 24, 2011, 06:50:02 PM
Spezza for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

Michalek for Kessel -straight up - in a heart beat.

No way Pittsburgh makes that deal...

Edit, didn't see Busta's post, similar drift.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Madferret on September 25, 2011, 12:08:05 AM
What kind of Spezza love-in have I walked into?
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on September 25, 2011, 12:56:00 AM
What kind of Spezza love-in have I walked into?

He's almost as good as Price.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Damian on September 25, 2011, 09:02:59 AM
oh boy.....
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Britishbulldog on September 25, 2011, 09:36:59 AM
What kind of Spezza love-in have I walked into?

He makes me giggle....
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: moon111 on September 25, 2011, 10:55:45 AM
Spezza is probably my 3rd favorite all-time Senator behind Chara and Brad Marsh.  Maybe a honorable mention to Norm Maciver and Bill Berg.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on September 25, 2011, 11:18:13 AM
What kind of Spezza love-in have I walked into?

Blech....think I just threw up a little.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Tigger on September 25, 2011, 11:19:40 AM
I went to find a Tickle Me Spezza photo and instead found a Flyers blog called Down Goes Spezza, a list of baby toys included a Tickle Me Pronger, a Well Done Wellwood Oven and a Baby's First Cooke...

http://downgoesspezza.com/2011/07/nhl-baby-toys.html
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Britishbulldog on September 25, 2011, 11:27:22 AM
What kind of Spezza love-in have I walked into?

Blech....think I just threw up a little.

;D
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: sb78 on September 26, 2011, 01:05:47 PM
As Carlton noted above, aside from being a Sen, I don't get all the hate with respect to Spezza. He's probably better than any centre we have on our team and is a bona fide centre to put on a line with Kessel (nothing against Connolly, but he's not a first line centre). I'd be more than willing to part with a package along the lines of of Gunnarson, Bozak and Macarthur (three players I actually really like) to get a deal done for Spezza.  Gardiner could slide into the top 6; Lombardi, Kadri or Frattin sould slip into Macarthur's spot on Grabo's wing;  Connolly would slip into Bozak's spot on the third line.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 26, 2011, 01:11:53 PM
As Carlton noted above, aside from being a Sen, I don't get all the hate with respect to Spezza. He's probably better than any centre we have on our team and is a bona fide centre to put on a line with Kessel (nothing against Connolly, but he's not a first line centre). I'd be more than willing to part with a package along the lines of of Gunnarson, Bozak and Macarthur (three players I actually really like) to get a deal done for Spezza.  Gardiner could slide into the top 6; Lombardi, Kadri or Frattin sould slip into Macarthur's spot on Grabo's wing;  Connolly would slip into Bozak's spot on the third line.

I agree... and Connolly wouldn't be wasted there either. He's going to get significant minutes on the point on the PP.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Rob on September 26, 2011, 01:17:16 PM
I'd do Kadri for Spezza straight up.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Sarge on September 26, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
I'd do Kadri for Spezza straight up.

Yeah... I don't see why one wouldn't... Unless of course they've got something against really goofy laughs.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Nik on September 26, 2011, 01:34:52 PM

I'd like to get a better sense of what player the Leafs are getting with Spezza. Playing on a line with two other all-stars he looked worth his salary. Without them, he's looked good but kind of Mike Ribeiro-esque.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Erndog on September 26, 2011, 02:44:25 PM

I'd like to get a better sense of what player the Leafs are getting with Spezza. Playing on a line with two other all-stars he looked worth his salary. Without them, he's looked good but kind of Mike Ribeiro-esque.

I don't know if it's that easy.  You can probably say the same thing for Heatley or Alfredsson for that matter.  Heatley was better with Spezza than without.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Erndog on September 26, 2011, 02:47:42 PM
Also, did he not finish the year playing with guys like Condra/Greening and Butler? 

His last 18 games of the year he had 9 goals, 16 assists for 25 points.  That's mostly AHL caliber.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: bustaheims on September 26, 2011, 03:04:37 PM
I don't know if it's that easy.  You can probably say the same thing for Heatley or Alfredsson for that matter.  Heatley was better with Spezza than without.

Sure, but the difference there is a little less noticeable. I mean, last season was the 1st full season that Heatley played since his rookie season where he did score at least 39 goals or have 72+ points. Alfredsson had become a point per game player before he started lining up with Spezza. Spezza's never really played an extended stretch without at least one of them since he established himself as an NHL player, so, it's hard to really judge.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Erndog on September 26, 2011, 03:39:11 PM
I don't know if it's that easy.  You can probably say the same thing for Heatley or Alfredsson for that matter.  Heatley was better with Spezza than without.

Sure, but the difference there is a little less noticeable. I mean, last season was the 1st full season that Heatley played since his rookie season where he did score at least 39 goals or have 72+ points. Alfredsson had become a point per game player before he started lining up with Spezza. Spezza's never really played an extended stretch without at least one of them since he established himself as an NHL player, so, it's hard to really judge.

But again, Dany Heatley often played with Joe Thornton and Patrick Marleau while Spezza played with guys like Colin Greening and Bobby Butler.  Dany Heatley's never had an extended period where he played with 3rd/4th line type guys.

We're grasping at straws here.  It's similar to a lot of our expectations for Kessel to score 40+ with a true playmaking center.  If Spezza had a goal scoring winger he can easily hit 50-60 assists.  He's proved that.  A few times.   



Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: iwas11in67 on September 26, 2011, 04:06:37 PM
I haven't liked Spezza play since he was with the Mississauga Ice Dogs. The ONLY way i would trade for him was if his playoff numbers were really good when they went on the cup run a few years ago.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Zee on September 26, 2011, 10:18:35 PM
I blame Dave Hodge for these continued Spezza rumors.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Tigger on September 26, 2011, 11:03:08 PM
As Carlton noted above, aside from being a Sen, I don't get all the hate with respect to Spezza.

He's a giggling tool, he would be one on any team. He'd also be a pretty good hockey player on most any team. I'd have a hard time embracing him as a Leaf but I'd probably get over it a few years after he was traded from the Leafs, preferably to Edmonton.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Nik on September 27, 2011, 12:16:21 AM
I don't know if it's that easy.  You can probably say the same thing for Heatley or Alfredsson for that matter.  Heatley was better with Spezza than without.

Right and I'd feel similarly uneasy about committing the dollars/cap space to either of those guys.
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Corn Flake on September 27, 2011, 01:24:52 PM
uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what?  Okaaay.

Is this like the Lindros thing back in the day when he started basically saying he was going to be traded to Toronto and that was his only choice?

Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: hockeyfan1 on September 28, 2011, 02:14:10 AM
I haven't liked Spezza play since he was with the Mississauga Ice Dogs. The ONLY way i would trade for him was if his playoff numbers were really good when they went on the cup run a few years ago.


I, too, remember having seen Spezza when he played for the Ice Dogs, way back then.  I had gone to an Ice Dogs-Majors tilt (when the Majors were still called the Toronto St.Michaels Majors) at the Hershey Centre, and kept seeing this very fast-skating and quite talented kid keep getting breakaways thanks to his speed.  I said to myself that that fellow will make the NHL no doubt.  At the time, the Ice Dogs were a dreadful team, but Spezza was one player who stood out from the rest!
Title: Re: Spezza?
Post by: Guilt Trip on September 28, 2011, 05:45:56 PM
Grabbo's goal last night tells you everything you need to know why we don't need Spezza.
Title: Bozak, Kadri and Gunnarsson for Spezza?????
Post by: MissConduct on October 05, 2011, 03:19:48 PM
ESPN_Mcguire Pierre McGuire
Tyler Bozak, Carl Gunnarsson and Nazem Kadri for Jason Spezza.

is this fake?? link: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Mcguire
Title: Re: Bozak, Kadri and Gunnarsson for Spezza?????
Post by: bustaheims on October 05, 2011, 03:24:09 PM
ESPN_Mcguire Pierre McGuire
Tyler Bozak, Carl Gunnarsson and Nazem Kadri for Jason Spezza.

is this fake?? link: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Mcguire

Yes, it's fake.
Title: Re: Bozak, Kadri and Gunnarsson for Spezza?????
Post by: MissConduct on October 05, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
ESPN_Mcguire Pierre McGuire
Tyler Bozak, Carl Gunnarsson and Nazem Kadri for Jason Spezza.

is this fake?? link: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Mcguire

Yes, it's fake.

thank god
Title: Re: Bozak, Kadri and Gunnarsson for Spezza?????
Post by: Corn Flake on October 05, 2011, 03:26:54 PM
ESPN_Mcguire Pierre McGuire
Tyler Bozak, Carl Gunnarsson and Nazem Kadri for Jason Spezza.

is this fake?? link: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Mcguire

Yes, it's fake.

thank god

Totally.
Title: Re: Bozak, Kadri and Gunnarsson for Spezza?????
Post by: ThatLeafsFan on October 05, 2011, 03:28:24 PM
ESPN_Mcguire Pierre McGuire
Tyler Bozak, Carl Gunnarsson and Nazem Kadri for Jason Spezza.

is this fake?? link: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Mcguire

Yes, it's fake.

thank god

X2, I had a mini heart attack when I first read that.
Title: Re: Bozak, Kadri and Gunnarsson for Spezza?????
Post by: Bender on October 05, 2011, 04:40:47 PM
ESPN_Mcguire Pierre McGuire
Tyler Bozak, Carl Gunnarsson and Nazem Kadri for Jason Spezza.

is this fake?? link: http://twitter.com/#!/ESPN_Mcguire

Yes, it's fake.

thank god

X2, I had a mini heart attack when I first read that.

People are morons. We don't have the cap space to take him.