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Title: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 24, 2014, 02:19:14 PM
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/leafs-kulemin-appear-to-be-parting-ways/
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2014, 02:29:44 PM

Well, that was largely inevitable. He's going to want to get paid like, and get the role of, a second liner and realistically unless the Leafs were committed to a top 6 that had JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Kulemin as the wingers, that wasn't going to happen here.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: freer on June 24, 2014, 02:39:47 PM

Well, that was largely inevitable. He's going to want to get paid like, and get the role of, a second liner and realistically unless the Leafs were committed to a top 6 that had JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Kulemin as the wingers, that wasn't going to happen here.

Good luck to him.
Clarkson better come to play this season.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: L K on June 24, 2014, 02:42:27 PM

Well, that was largely inevitable. He's going to want to get paid like, and get the role of, a second liner and realistically unless the Leafs were committed to a top 6 that had JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Kulemin as the wingers, that wasn't going to happen here.

No, but they will pay Bolland too much money to be largely ineffective, so I guess they have that going for them.  Faith in this management team...I have none.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: freer on June 24, 2014, 02:45:48 PM

Well, that was largely inevitable. He's going to want to get paid like, and get the role of, a second liner and realistically unless the Leafs were committed to a top 6 that had JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Kulemin as the wingers, that wasn't going to happen here.

No, but they will pay Bolland too much money to be largely ineffective, so I guess they have that going for them.  Faith in this management team...I have none.

IMO something big is going to happen during the draft. I think we will all be surprised. If not DN should be fired just because.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: nutman on June 24, 2014, 02:57:56 PM
Kulemin, Riemer and Komorov getting signed by the Leafs should be a no brainer,  but as we know this will not happen. This is why after over 45 yrs I am slowly loosing interest in the Team. Can they not see what we need and don't need on this team.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Boston Leaf on June 24, 2014, 02:58:07 PM
Its time. A couple of years back he was my favorite leaf if I had such a thing. He does nothing for me now
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: nutman on June 24, 2014, 03:01:37 PM
Its time. A couple of years back he was my favorite leaf if I had such a thing. He does nothing for me now

He's only one of our better two way players, it seems we are sending away the players who help us and, are keeping the over paid clowns who I can even believe we signed in the first place.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: bustaheims on June 24, 2014, 03:04:30 PM
It is disappoint, but, as Nik said, it was largely inevitable. Without other moves being made, there isn't really a spot for him that will justify the salary he's going to be looking for - unless the team will really commit to using him on the 2nd line and giving him time on the PP. With the way the roster and coaching staff are put together right now, that seems unlikely.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 24, 2014, 03:06:25 PM
No, but they will pay Bolland too much money to be largely ineffective, so I guess they have that going for them.  Faith in this management team...I have none.

I'd probably rather have Kulemin as our 3C over Bolland.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2014, 03:24:17 PM

Well, that was largely inevitable. He's going to want to get paid like, and get the role of, a second liner and realistically unless the Leafs were committed to a top 6 that had JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Kulemin as the wingers, that wasn't going to happen here.

No, but they will pay Bolland too much money to be largely ineffective, so I guess they have that going for them.  Faith in this management team...I have none.

I could beat on the bad decisions the Leafs have made all day but here I think one thing you have to say for Bolland, and to be clear I wouldn't re-sign Bolland to anything more than one year/2m, is that he'd sign on for a third line role in a way that I just don't think Kulemin wants to right now.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on June 24, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
It's too bad because we need defensively responsible forwards.  OTOH he's not worth what he's asking for, and I still say he underproduced on offense.  No, he's not a real 30-goaler but his dropoff was far too great from there.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on June 24, 2014, 05:41:50 PM
It's too bad because we need defensively responsible forwards.  OTOH he's not worth what he's asking for, and I still say he underproduced on offense.  No, he's not a real 30-goaler but his dropoff was far too great from there.

What's he asking for, I may have missed that?
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: L K on June 24, 2014, 06:08:41 PM

Well, that was largely inevitable. He's going to want to get paid like, and get the role of, a second liner and realistically unless the Leafs were committed to a top 6 that had JVR, Kessel, Lupul and Kulemin as the wingers, that wasn't going to happen here.

No, but they will pay Bolland too much money to be largely ineffective, so I guess they have that going for them.  Faith in this management team...I have none.

I could beat on the bad decisions the Leafs have made all day but here I think one thing you have to say for Bolland, and to be clear I wouldn't re-sign Bolland to anything more than one year/2m, is that he'd sign on for a third line role in a way that I just don't think Kulemin wants to right now.

Is that really true though.  I mean, his demands of 5million a year on a multi-year deal dont' speak toward 3rd line.  And his history with Carlyle would argue that he is likely to be as much a 2nd liner in terms of ice-time compared with Kadri.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2014, 06:23:00 PM
Is that really true though.  I mean, his demands of 5million a year on a multi-year deal dont' speak toward 3rd line.  And his history with Carlyle would argue that he is likely to be as much a 2nd liner in terms of ice-time compared with Kadri.

I don't know what history with Carlyle you think Bolland has but when Kadri and Bolland were both healthy at the beginning of the year Kadri got more ice time than Bolland did in 9 of the 14 games.

Regardless, you can swap "third liner" there with "willing to return to the Leafs in the same role that he was in" because I don't Bolland would be so vocal about coming back if he wanted big changes made in the way he was used. I think it's pretty clear Kulemin doesn't want to paid as a third line/20 point scorer or, quite frankly, I think the Leafs would have already signed him.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Sudafederov on June 24, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
Kulemin would be a nice fit for Pittsburgh, specifically Malkin's line,
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Dappleganger on June 24, 2014, 07:11:23 PM
Kulemin would be a nice fit for Pittsburgh, specifically Malkin's line,

I'll be happy if Kuly signs with Pittsburgh but if he signs with another I would rather he stays with the Leafs.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on June 24, 2014, 08:42:00 PM
Kulemin would be a nice fit for Pittsburgh, specifically Malkin's line,

I see him and Grabbo being a package deal somewhere. Maybe even in Ottawa if Melynk isn't completely bankrupt by then.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: mr grieves on June 24, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
I could beat on the bad decisions the Leafs have made all day but here I think one thing you have to say for Bolland, and to be clear I wouldn't re-sign Bolland to anything more than one year/2m, is that he'd sign on for a third line role in a way that I just don't think Kulemin wants to right now.

He'll sign for a third-line role, sure, but only at a second-liner salary. I don't think that's even being considered for Kulemin, as it probably shouldn't be for anyone... but if one had to pay a third liner like a second liner, I'd rather it be Kulemin than Bolland or Clarkson. He's younger, more durable, more versatile, has been better in the variety of situations he's been in. But then who'd parade the Cup through Mimico?
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: bustaheims on June 24, 2014, 08:58:53 PM
But then who'd parade the Cup through Mimico?

Shanahan.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2014, 09:47:50 PM
He'll sign for a third-line role, sure, but only at a second-liner salary. I don't think that's even being considered for Kulemin, as it probably shouldn't be for anyone... but if one had to pay a third liner like a second liner, I'd rather it be Kulemin than Bolland or Clarkson. He's younger, more durable, more versatile, has been better in the variety of situations he's been in. But then who'd parade the Cup through Mimico?

Right, but and I'll say it again if it didn't sink in, I don't think Kulemin wants to sign a deal of that nature so the Leafs kicking it around is pointless.

But, you know, kudos on taking an anti-Clarkson standpoint.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: mr grieves on June 24, 2014, 10:37:50 PM
Right, but and I'll say it again if it didn't sink in, I don't think Kulemin wants to sign a deal of that nature so the Leafs kicking it around is pointless.

All I saw you say is that you didn't think Kulemin wanted to sign to be a 3rd liner. You didn't mention any sort of raise, so I took "and be paid like one" as implied in your original post.

But I suspect, if there were an offer to make him as well paid as this team's recent and future 3rd liners, he mightn't care so much about where he actually ended up playing.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Nik on June 24, 2014, 10:44:08 PM
All I saw you say is that you didn't think Kulemin wanted to sign to be a 3rd liner. You didn't mention any sort of raise, so I took "and be paid like one" as implied in your original post.

Post #2 in the thread, chief. I understand, though, if reading the thread isn't as fun as yelling CLARKSON at the top of your voice like it's a vocal tic.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: nutman on June 25, 2014, 06:54:27 AM
Not getting him under contract will be yet another step backwards. we all seen how his moves last year worked out. This is a top notch bottom six player who we have seen can fit right in on the top six, he is a solid two way player who hits well, and is very tough. So can someone please tell me why this bunch of clowns at the top would even think of not getting him locked up. Komorov should be offered a deal as well.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 25, 2014, 09:47:15 AM
Not getting him under contract will be yet another step backwards. we all seen how his moves last year worked out. This is a top notch bottom six player who we have seen can fit right in on the top six, he is a solid two way player who hits well, and is very tough. So can someone please tell me why this bunch of clowns at the top would even think of not getting him locked up. Komorov should be offered a deal as well.

Depending on how the draft and free agency unfolds this weekend, I'm starting to believe taking backwards steps is the idea for next season. Look no further than retaining Carlyle....
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: Corn Flake on June 25, 2014, 10:24:09 AM
Its time. A couple of years back he was my favorite leaf if I had such a thing. He does nothing for me now

He's only one of our better two way players, it seems we are sending away the players who help us and, are keeping the over paid clowns who I can even believe we signed in the first place.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXMESWCCMAANb9Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on June 25, 2014, 11:16:21 AM
Its time. A couple of years back he was my favorite leaf if I had such a thing. He does nothing for me now

He's only one of our better two way players, it seems we are sending away the players who help us and, are keeping the over paid clowns who I can even believe we signed in the first place.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXMESWCCMAANb9Z.jpg)

Where's the red nose?
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: LuncheonMeat on June 25, 2014, 04:26:59 PM
Its time. A couple of years back he was my favorite leaf if I had such a thing. He does nothing for me now

He's only one of our better two way players, it seems we are sending away the players who help us and, are keeping the over paid clowns who I can even believe we signed in the first place.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXMESWCCMAANb9Z.jpg)

Where's the red nose?

Bozak ate it.  Thought it was a Skittle.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: nutman on June 26, 2014, 07:01:04 AM
Not getting him under contract will be yet another step backwards. we all seen how his moves last year worked out. This is a top notch bottom six player who we have seen can fit right in on the top six, he is a solid two way player who hits well, and is very tough. So can someone please tell me why this bunch of clowns at the top would even think of not getting him locked up. Komorov should be offered a deal as well.

Depending on how the draft and free agency unfolds this weekend, I'm starting to believe taking backwards steps is the idea for next season. Look no further than retaining Carlyle....


So true. Its just hard to believe how most of us fans can see the right moves yet the powers that be can't.
Title: Re: Kulemin done as a Leaf?
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on June 26, 2014, 09:57:20 AM
Not getting him under contract will be yet another step backwards. we all seen how his moves last year worked out. This is a top notch bottom six player who we have seen can fit right in on the top six, he is a solid two way player who hits well, and is very tough. So can someone please tell me why this bunch of clowns at the top would even think of not getting him locked up. Komorov should be offered a deal as well.

Depending on how the draft and free agency unfolds this weekend, I'm starting to believe taking backwards steps is the idea for next season. Look no further than retaining Carlyle....


So true. Its just hard to believe how most of us fans can see the right moves yet the powers that be can't.

Oh, nutman, c'mon now.  That's just ridiculous.  I think this is a case of way easier said than done.