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Title: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: mc on March 10, 2014, 10:41:28 AM
This is getting to be unbelievable. So sad. After three days no sight of debris. Plane fell of radar Friday night after leaving Kuala Lampur. One hr into the flight, it loses all communications. Falls off radar screen. No distress signal. Not weather related as skies were clear.

Jeez.

What we know:

2 passengers were travelling with stolen passports
5 passengers who were supposed to travel didn't travel.
Plane had enough fuel to fly for 7 hours.
Pilots were very experience veteran pilots.
2 Canadian onboard from Montreal.

Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: mc on March 10, 2014, 10:44:22 AM
From a thread I am following on Reddit:

- cannot discount any possibilities, including possibility of turnback

- it is being described as an "unprecedented missing aircraft mystery"

- "we have to find the aircraft. we have to find pieces of the aircraft. this is something we have to do."

- authorities are investigating the case of two passengers on the aircraft with fraudulent passport. authorities going through all CCTV, all records.

- there are issues with 5 passengers who did not fly on the aircraft. malaysian air reiterates

- baggage from these 5 passengers were removed.

- hostage situation remains a possibility, "looking at all angles, considering every possibility"
"we understand you want answers from us, you want details, we are equally eager as you are to find details and parts of the aircraft and we hope you will be patient and our boys in the rescue control centre on the ships now are trying their best to locate whatever they can find in the areas that we have identified and maybe those beyond that. we are every hour, every minute, every second, looking at every inch of the sea"
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: mc on March 10, 2014, 11:04:58 AM
Live updates

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/mar/10/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-search-continues-live-updates
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: AvroArrow on March 10, 2014, 11:38:13 AM
Yeah, I've been watching this story over the weekend.  It's crazy!
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: mc on March 11, 2014, 12:37:14 PM
How It’s Possible to Lose an Airplane in 2014

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/malaysia-air/

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Whatever happened, it happened quickly, aviation experts said, and catastrophically. The fact it happened over the ocean–presumably the South China Sea, but possibly the Gulf of Thailand–means it could be months or years before we know exactly what went wrong. The ocean is a very big place, and finding clues will be slow. It took investigators two years to recover the black box data recorder from Air France Flight 447, which went down over the Atlantic on June 1, 2009.

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Once a plane is more than 100 or 150 miles from shore, radar no longer works. It simply doesn’t have the range. (The specific distance from shore varies with the type of radar, the weather, and other factors.) At that point, civilian aircraft communicate largely by high-frequency radio
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 11, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
According to (military) radar data, it seems that the airliner changed it's course of direction, going from as reported "from Malaysia, over the sea, onto the Strait of Malacca".

This may explain why the plane became "undetectable" "hundred of miles" from it's original course or position.

More here:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/airline-says-search-area-widened-missing-jet-focusing-062134307.html
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 17, 2014, 06:32:44 AM
The mystery deepens as the search effort widens.  Questions, clues, suspicion and evidence all point to a deliberate shutdown of the plane's communication system.  By whom, what, why and how?  The pilots themselves?  And furthermore, just where was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 headed to?

Read more here:
 http://ca.news.yahoo.com/timing-final-words-cockpit-missing-malaysian-jet-reveal-172104513.html (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/timing-final-words-cockpit-missing-malaysian-jet-reveal-172104513.html)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Corn Flake on March 17, 2014, 08:57:00 AM
My guess is (yeah I know.. a real world renowned aviation expert I am) it's in the South Indian Ocean, since it could have flown for hours after the transponder was turned off and there is zero sign of anything hitting land and where it would have no chance of even being seen by anyone even going down, let alone crashing.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 17, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
My guess is (yeah I know.. a real world renowned aviation expert I am) it's in the South Indian Ocean, since it could have flown for hours after the transponder was turned off and there is zero sign of anything hitting land and where it would have no chance of even being seen by anyone even going down, let alone crashing.


Most likely that it's in the ocean.  Then again, even if it is, the most pertinent thing then would be to find the CVR & FDR, at least to determine some sort of identifiable reasoning for the plane's disappearance or crash wherever it may have.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: mc on March 17, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
Considering this plane flew undetected for 5 hours, whether it went north corridor or south corridor, I doubt this plane is ever found. It could take years. The vast scope of possibilities of where it could have crashed or landed are unending.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Potvin29 on March 17, 2014, 02:51:01 PM
If you like a good theory: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2014, 02:54:09 PM
If you like a good theory: http://keithledgerwood.tumblr.com/post/79838944823/did-malaysian-airlines-370-disappear-using-sia68-sq68

I was actually just coming to post something about that. What he's suggesting would requires some very skilled pilots at the helm, but, other than that, it seems awfully plausible. Granted, I don't really know enough about the various systems in place to say what's being proposed is accurate enough to work, but, if it is . . . so far, this is the best theory out there that covers all the oddities in the plane's recorded flightpath.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Potvin29 on March 17, 2014, 02:58:45 PM
I can't say I know much about the finer details of what that guy is talking about, so hopefully he knows what he's talking about.  In general terms it seems plausible, but still extremely, extremely difficult to do - especially under the circumstances of this plane.

But I guess the pilot did have a pretty extensive flight simulator at home?
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2014, 04:13:49 PM
Pffft wouldn't the pilots of SIA68 of seen the guy tailgating him in his rearview mirrors?
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 17, 2014, 05:49:14 PM
Pffft wouldn't the pilots of SIA68 of seen the guy tailgating him in his rearview mirrors?

I shouldn't, given the gravity of the situation, but LOFL!!
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2014, 05:51:38 PM
Pffft wouldn't the pilots of SIA68 of seen the guy tailgating him in his rearview mirrors?

Must've been using 'em to do their makeup.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 17, 2014, 07:29:40 PM
Pffft wouldn't the pilots of SIA68 of seen the guy tailgating him in his rearview mirrors?

Must've been using 'em to do their makeup.

Surely there must be laws against driving a 777 and doing your make up
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: bustaheims on March 17, 2014, 07:42:56 PM
Pffft wouldn't the pilots of SIA68 of seen the guy tailgating him in his rearview mirrors?

Must've been using 'em to do their makeup.

Surely there must be laws against driving a 777 and doing your make up

Since when have laws stopped people from doing stupid, irresponsible things?
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: brianmac on March 18, 2014, 08:47:03 AM
Pffft wouldn't the pilots of SIA68 of seen the guy tailgating him in his rearview mirrors?

Must've been using 'em to do their makeup.

Surely there must be laws against driving a 777 and doing your make up

Since when have laws stopped people from doing stupid, irresponsible things?

Doesn't he need the rearview mirror for when he wants to put the machine into reverse?

But seriously, this story just gets more mysterious every day. So far it's mostly rumours and speculations, though. Who knows if they will ever find it?
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 18, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
According to Michael Cassado, flight instructor for Mississauga-based Ufly training school, and Michael Savidge, also of same, both appearing on CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, they believe that the reason the search & rescue operation has found nothing thus far is because of radar beacon equipment not being as up to date as most other countries in the West.

The Malaysian government obviously did not spend the extra $ to upgrade all equipment -- airport, airline, etc. -- so that the communications systems and subsequent systems would have been better suited at detection and communication for & in all areas of need.

He used the example of an Iphone.  One may have a 16gb but needs a 64gb and therefore more money needs to be spent, to upgrade, let's say.  If one knows what one needs beforehand, then one should be prepared to spend the necessary cash.

Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: bustaheims on March 18, 2014, 04:56:52 PM
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

A very clean, logical, conspiracy free theory about what may have happened.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: brianmac on March 19, 2014, 07:26:08 AM
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

A very clean, logical, conspiracy free theory about what may have happened.

it sounds very comprehensible and, as you said, conspiracy free. But a lot of the other theories sound logical, too, while you read them. Only when they really find the wreckage (or whatever it is) will we know for sure. Up until then we are left speculating or rather judging the speculations of others.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: louisstamos on March 19, 2014, 10:09:10 AM
It's alright, guys - Courtney Love has solved the mystery:

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/17/courtney-love-missing-malaysia-flight-mh370_n_4981429.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: brianmac on March 20, 2014, 07:06:15 AM
^ well, looks like, maybe, somebody else found it. Or something possibly related. A lot of question marks remain. Just imagine the size of the search area... (and the amount of debris and garbage floating around there).
(https://d28wbuch0jlv7v.cloudfront.net/images/infografik/normal/chartoftheday_2024_The_search_area_for_missing_MH370_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Peter D. on April 01, 2014, 10:33:14 AM
Three weeks in now and not a trace.  This whole story is just not adding up for me.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Potvin29 on April 01, 2014, 10:39:54 AM
Three weeks in now and not a trace.  This whole story is just not adding up for me.

Adds up to me if it crashed in the ocean - it's such a massive, massive search area, and they weren't able to immediately search in even the right part of the world because it wasn't originally known how far off course it was.  Add to that the amount of debris already in that area of the Indian Ocean and it becomes difficult to find anything conclusive.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: mc on April 01, 2014, 10:47:14 AM
It's like finding a needle in a needle stack.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Corn Flake on April 01, 2014, 11:19:12 AM
It's like finding a needle in a needle stack.

There's an ocean full of planes???

:P
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Peter D. on April 01, 2014, 11:21:06 AM
Three weeks in now and not a trace.  This whole story is just not adding up for me.

Adds up to me if it crashed in the ocean - it's such a massive, massive search area, and they weren't able to immediately search in even the right part of the world because it wasn't originally known how far off course it was.  Add to that the amount of debris already in that area of the Indian Ocean and it becomes difficult to find anything conclusive.

I should have expanded -- it's not necessarily just the inability to locate the plane.  It's quite conceivable it could never be found if it crashed in the vast area where it's assumed to have. 

It's more the Malaysian government.  Some of their pronouncements have been wishy-washy and makes one wonder what the heck is really going on with the investigation.

(Beyond that, I'm still baffled as to how the plane ended up where it supposedly did)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on April 01, 2014, 12:05:24 PM
These articles are old but they explain something about a different scenario on just what may have happened to Flight 370.  Suspicion  about the pilot's intentions or perhaps it was more or less a hijacking, (sudden wayward drops in altitude give suspicion to that theory), or, the plane never crashed, it was re-routed (either via hijack or by pilot) elsewhere.

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/03/15/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370s-devout-muslim-pilot-was-also-a-political- (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/03/15/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370s-devout-muslim-pilot-was-also-a-political-)

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/03/16/so-who-is-malaysian-opposition-leader-anwar-ibrahim-for-whom-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-370-pilot-was-such-a-fanatical-supporter// (http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/03/16/so-who-is-malaysian-opposition-leader-anwar-ibrahim-for-whom-missing-malaysian-airlines-flight-370-pilot-was-such-a-fanatical-supporter//)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Potvin29 on July 17, 2014, 11:28:10 AM
Remind me never to fly Malaysia Airlines ever.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/17/us-ukraine-crash-airplane-idUSKBN0FM1TU20140717

Edit: holy crap

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@Reuters 

#BREAKING: Malaysian plane was brought down by a ground-to-air missile: Interior Ministry adviser, quoted by Interfax
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Bender on July 17, 2014, 11:50:34 AM
Again??
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Corn Flake on July 17, 2014, 02:49:15 PM
Again??

Looks to be a very different situation (we think) but yes another one.

Appears they know for sure this one was shot down and where it is, just now a matter of who to blame for doing it. 
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on July 17, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
Malaysian airlines isn't gonna last much longer..... good luck getting any insurance company to cover you now. Yikes.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on July 18, 2014, 12:30:45 PM

Click here to see the slideshow of pictures of the wreckage:
http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/slideshow?articleId=USRTR3Z2GM#a=1

May all rest in peace.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Bullfrog on July 18, 2014, 02:45:34 PM
I suspect the incidents aren't related.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Boston Leaf on July 18, 2014, 02:52:19 PM
horrible tragedy. Although I work in Massachusetts 2 people from the company I work for were on the plane (I work for a Dutch company).. One had his wife and 4 children with him..Sickening
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Bullfrog on July 18, 2014, 02:56:01 PM
Very sad indeed. So many lives just lost in an instant.
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: Nik Bethune on July 18, 2014, 02:59:15 PM

Obviously this is a tragedy no matter who died but one of the world's leading AIDS researchers as well as others on their way to an international AIDS conference in Australia were on board:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/top-aids-researcher-and-others-in-field-perished-on-mh17/2014/07/18/2aa31972-0e85-11e4-8341-b8072b1e7348_story.html (http://m.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/top-aids-researcher-and-others-in-field-perished-on-mh17/2014/07/18/2aa31972-0e85-11e4-8341-b8072b1e7348_story.html)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on August 01, 2015, 07:29:12 PM
Debris, or what looks more like a wing flap, was found by officials on the French Reunion Island (near Madagascqr) last week.

Officials believe that it (the debris) are remnants of a Boeing 777 airliner (Malaysia Air 370) and will investigate further in the hopes that it will yield more details in the disappearance of Flight 370:

A wing flap suspected to be from the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 arrived at a French military testing facility Saturday, where it may help experts shed light on what happened to the plane and its passengers.

 French aviation experts will try to establish whether the wreckage was part of the Boeing 777 that disappeared March 8, 2014, with 239 people on board.

Air safety investigators, including one from Boeing, have identified the flaperon as being from the trailing edge of a Boeing 777 wing, a U.S. official said. Flight 370 is the only missing 777.

"I believe that we are moving closer to solving the mystery of MH370. This could be the convincing evidence that MH370 went down in the Indian Ocean," Malaysia's deputy transport minister Abdul Aziz Kaprawi told AFP.

Analysts at the French aviation laboratory hope to glean details from metal stress to see what caused the flap to break off, spot explosive or other chemical traces, and study the sea life that made its home on the wing to pinpoint where it came  from.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mh370-search-debris-may-prove-plane-crashed-over-indian-ocean-malaysian-official-says-1.3176657 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mh370-search-debris-may-prove-plane-crashed-over-indian-ocean-malaysian-official-says-1.3176657)

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/mh370-debris-investigation/ (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/mh370-debris-investigation/)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on May 18, 2018, 03:52:17 AM
A former Canadian aviation investigative expert believes that the Malaysian Airlines MH370 disappearance/crash was "murder-suicide."

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"This is a criminal event. It's not an accident," Larry Vance, a former investigator with the Transportation Safety Board of Canada, told CBC News in a phone interview.

"This was planned and conducted, carried out by one individual who had control of the airplane via his job to have control of the airplane," Vance said.[/quote]

While Vance and his investigative team believe the crash was intentional, it contradicts the findings by the Australian Transportation Safety Board (ATSB) in their report claiming that the plane simply crashed because it ran out of fuel on autopilot during a high-speed descent.

Wreckage of a sort was found off Eastern Africa.  These were examined by Vance.

Vance and his team examined detailed photographs of some of the wreckage and concluded the plane was deliberately crashed. Their belief was based on two pieces of wreckage from the flap system on the right wing of the airplane —  the flaperon, and the section of flap that's next to it.

By examining the marks on the wreckage, they theorized that the flaps had been down when the airplane hit the water. This would mean that the plane had entered the water at a relatively low speed.

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"We would call that a controlled ditching into the water. And the only way that could happen is if somebody was flying the airplane. In particular, if somebody selected the flaps to be in the extended position."

And if the flaps were extended, it meant the engines were still running and that the plane had not run out of fuel.

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"I believe with 100 per cent certainty that the airplane entered the water in a controlled ditching with the flaps extended," said Vance.

He also believes the one of the two -- the pilot who had ordered extra fuel -- to be the responsible one in turning off the transponder, shuttung  down the lights, and depressurizing the passenger cabin, manipulating or getting rid of his co-pilot and locking the cockpit door.  Without enough oxygen all on board would die.

Vance believes that the pilot wanted to crash the plane so that it would sink to the ocean bottom in one piece rather than in pieces, so that it would  make it very difficult for the wreckage to be found in the vastness that is the Indian Ocean.

More:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/mh370-flight-malaysian-airlines-crash-1.4665938 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/mh370-flight-malaysian-airlines-crash-1.4665938)
Title: Re: Malaysian Airlines plane still missing after three days
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 18, 2019, 09:24:51 AM
 Aviation experts have deciphered what may really have happened to Malaysia Flight 370:  mrder-suicide via "depressurization and suffocation":

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The pilot of flight MH370 soared to 40,000ft so his aircraft would depressurise and the passengers would slowly die of suffocation before he crashed it into the Indian Ocean, experts claim.

Boeing 777 off course before either waiting for the jet to run out of fuel or even deliberately nose-diving it into the water so it disintegrated on impact.

The new claims are revealed in The Atlantic by respected aviation expert William Langewiesche.

He suggests the most likely theory is that Shah either killed or incapacitated his co-pilot before depressurising the cabin to slowly kill everyone on board.

Story:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9318966/mh370-pilot-killed-passengers-oxygen-crash/