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Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 08:56:23 AM
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32-23-8, 72 points | 33-26-3, 69 points

Projected Lines

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Raymond-Holland-Kulemin
Ashton-McClement-Bodie

Gunnarsson-Phaneuf
Gleason-Rielly
Gardiner-Franson

Bernier
           
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
Pouliot-Brassard-Miller
Boyle-Moore-Carcillo

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-Stralman

Lundqvist

Scratches

Colton Orr
Paul Ranger
      
Derek Dorsett
Justin Falk
Mats Zuccarello

Line-up Notes

•No word yet, but Bernier probably starts, cause.
•Ashton and Holland have been recalled, expect Smith to be assigned to the Marlies if he clears waivers
•Bolland looks to be out
      
•Lundqvist will likely start for the Rangers
•Will Callahan make it past the deadline as a Ranger?                                                                                                                                                                                                             

Injuries

•Dave Bolland - Ankle - Out Saturday
•Colton Orr - Undisclosed - Questionable Saturday
      
•Mats Zuccarello - Hand - Injured Reserve
•Derek Dorsett - Leg - Injured Reserve

Stream Options

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockeynightincanada/video/live/
http://www.ourleafs.blogspot.ca/
http://gofirstrow.eu/sport/ice-hockey.htmll
http://goATD.Net
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 08:57:29 AM
No stats portion today, at least not right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Derk on March 05, 2014, 09:14:15 AM
Doom! Gloom! DOOM!!!

That said, Go Leafs Go!!! ;D
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:18:47 AM
I hope we get a little revenge on the Rangers from the last meeting

GLG
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on March 05, 2014, 09:19:10 AM
That's a 4th line I'd be comfortable seeing for 8-10 minutes.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:20:18 AM
Depending on how the day goes, it could be a totally different lineup. Just saying
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: digdug on March 05, 2014, 09:28:19 AM
no mention of Gardiner anywhere??

are you predicting a trade CtB?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: RedLeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
It's time for a turn around game. Leafs win this.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 09:45:15 AM
no mention of Gardiner anywhere??

are you predicting a trade CtB?

Whoops. Fixed.

Although it wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 11:42:18 AM
Just confirming that Bernier is expected to start.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 11:43:49 AM
I hear Callahan isn't playing.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 11:50:29 AM
St.Louis - Richards - Hagelin will be a line providing St. Louis and his equipment make it to New York.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: mc on March 05, 2014, 11:54:58 AM
We might get to see MSL tonight in a Rangers uniform.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
Hopefully they will be so discombobulated by the brockbluster that they skate aimlessly about and we pummel 'em.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 12:57:53 PM
Franson: "We try to play an aggressive style of defence & sometimes when you overthik it to much you're a half step behind"

That's mind boggling because they are almost always entirely passive.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: louisstamos on March 05, 2014, 12:58:29 PM
brockbluster

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NKpMrafae6Q/TWeCs1EB9WI/AAAAAAAAE_g/LrOTus10hZc/s400/Tuong_Lu_Kim_south_park.jpg)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 01:01:03 PM
Franson: "We try to play an aggressive style of defence & sometimes when you overthik it to much you're a half step behind"

That's mind boggling because they are almost always entirely passive.

Yeah. Watching the Leafs play defence, aggressive among the last things that come to mind.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: AvroArrow on March 05, 2014, 01:48:39 PM
Franson: "We try to play an aggressive style of defence & sometimes when you overthik it to much you're a half step behind"

That's mind boggling because they are almost always entirely passive.

They're aggressively passive.  What the problem is?  8)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 02:00:20 PM
Quote
@HennyTweets

Nik kulemin and David clarkson trade places on 2nd and 3rd lines

Quote
@HennyTweets 

Troy bodie, jay mcclement and carter Ashton will be toronto's 4th line tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 02:02:16 PM
Quote
@HennyTweets

Nik kulemin and David clarkson trade places on 2nd and 3rd lines

Quote
@HennyTweets 

Troy bodie, jay mcclement and carter Ashton will be toronto's 4th line tonight.

Now we're talking.

Cheers to both updates.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 05, 2014, 02:04:21 PM
Pleeeeease let those lines stick and pleeeeease let them stick for longer than a couple of shifts.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 02:05:09 PM
Another 6 minute night for Ashton!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 02:11:15 PM
all the dissing of MartinStLouis in the transactions thread....... bet the guy goes out and scores three on the Leafs tonight. Just because

 >:(
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: You're right on March 05, 2014, 03:29:23 PM
All of our new trade deadline pickups should really shine in this one... :-\
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Bullfrog on March 05, 2014, 03:48:18 PM
Quote
@HennyTweets

Nik kulemin and David clarkson trade places on 2nd and 3rd lines

Quote
@HennyTweets 

Troy bodie, jay mcclement and carter Ashton will be toronto's 4th line tonight.

Now we're talking.

Cheers to both updates.

Here here. Can't believe it took until the trade deadline to make these decisions though.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
all the dissing of MartinStLouis in the transactions thread....... bet the guy goes out and scores three on the Leafs tonight. Just because

 >:(

I hope they lose his equipment to honest.. Cause I want the Leafs to win
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:50:24 PM
mirtle: Appears the Leafs recalled Holland and Ashton and then sent them back down today. Not sure what that means for their status tonight.

I . . . umm . . . what?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:51:40 PM
mirtle: Appears the Leafs recalled Holland and Ashton and then sent them back down today. Not sure what that means for their status tonight.

I . . . umm . . . what?

Haha
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 04:07:34 PM
mirtle: So Holland and Ashton are still with Leafs. A weird day as team made paper transaction to ensure they're still eligible for AHL playoffs.

Right. Clear day paper transactions.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 04:09:02 PM
mirtle: So Holland and Ashton are still with Leafs. A weird day as team made paper transaction to ensure they're still eligible for AHL playoffs.

Right. Clear day paper transactions.

They got rid of the need to do those last season though...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 04:09:58 PM
mirtle: So Holland and Ashton are still with Leafs. A weird day as team made paper transaction to ensure they're still eligible for AHL playoffs.

Right. Clear day paper transactions.

They got rid of the need to do those last season though...

Maybe that was just a lockout season thing? I don't know. It's all very stupid and confusing and stupid.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 04:14:11 PM
Maybe that was just a lockout season thing? I don't know. It's all very stupid and confusing and stupid.

Doesn't really sound like that:

Quote from: http://www.pennlive.com/sports/index.ssf/2013/01/hershey_bears_president-gm_dou_1.html
Due to the new NHL collective bargaining agreement, AHL clear day rosters, which set player eligibility parameters from the trade deadline through the Calder Cup playoffs, will no longer exist, Hershey Bears President-GM Doug Yingst said on Tuesday.

“It's a total change in process,” Yingst said, “and it probably should have been implemented years ago.”

...

AHL playoff rosters will function mainly the same as the clear day rosters did, without the front-loaded assignment gymnastics required at the NHL trade deadline. NHL clubs will still have to decide which players they will allow to participate in the Calder Cup playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 06:56:39 PM
So are Ashton and Holland playing this evening
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:00:26 PM
Quote
@jonasTSN1050:
Projected Lines vs NYR:
van Riemsdyk-Bozak-Kessel.
Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin.
Raymond-Holland-Clarkson.
Ashton-McClement-Bodie
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 07:02:18 PM
Thanks

Mirtle: needs to go away

Go Leafs GO
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 07:04:12 PM
Clarkson out!!!! Oh my
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:04:28 PM
Hmm

Quote
@markhmasters

Clarkson a surprise scratch ... Because we needed another storyline tonight at MSG
Title: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 07:04:51 PM
Clarkson out!!!! Oh my

Well the Leafs record is way better without him.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 07:05:05 PM
Clarkson out!!!! Oh my
 

Maybe Leafs are trying to unjam the fax machine still.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 07:06:31 PM
I hear St. Louis plays with a chip on his shoulder.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:07:51 PM
Sigh.

Quote
@jonasTSN1050

Looks like Ashton is actually the scratch with Ranger remaining as the 7th defenceman.
Title: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 07:08:36 PM
Clarkson out!!!! Oh my

Well the Leafs record is way better without him.

They are better with not Ranger in the line up but he is there
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 07:09:34 PM
Oh well he's back.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 07:10:06 PM
Clarkson out!!!! Oh my

Now just give Ashton his minutes and we will a far more effective player at a fraction of the cap space.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:11:01 PM
Hey, there's a great idea ... scratch Clarkson!  :)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 07:11:37 PM
So, Ashton called up for press box duty? Yeah, that sounds about right.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:12:05 PM
So close to having a lineup where you could play the 4th line more than 5:00.....and he dresses 7 D instead.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 07:15:31 PM
So close to having a lineup where you could play the 4th line more than 5:00.....and he dresses 7 D instead.

I would love to see an Ashton-McClement-Bodie 4th line.  You  could easily give those guys 10-15 minutes.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:17:00 PM
"Don't differ to the new guy"?

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 07:18:14 PM
So close to having a lineup where you could play the 4th line more than 5:00.....and he dresses 7 D instead.

Because, you know, that strategy has worked so well for them of late.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
So close to having a lineup where you could play the 4th line more than 5:00.....and he dresses 7 D instead.

Because, you know, that strategy has worked so well for them of late.

Our D plays so well you just have to find a way to get more of them into the lineup.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 07:19:43 PM
...and the 'Clarkson fall down' drinking game begins again...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:20:24 PM
I think every player, coach, GM, scout and ref in the league can knock Clarkson over.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:21:45 PM
I think every player, coach, GM, scout and ref in the league can has knocked Clarkson over.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: harps64 on March 05, 2014, 07:23:45 PM
Anyone else having picture problems? Very, very bright screen here.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:27:06 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:30:23 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
Lupul seems...lethargic to me this season.  Maybe it was missing so much time last season that let him have so much energy when he returned, but he just seems to have no energy.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 07:31:18 PM
Clarkson, head down, trying to plow into the offensive zone 1 on 4, sounds about right.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 07:31:35 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

No. It's the fact that one of them is useless that's the problem.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:31:47 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:38:28 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Why do you think Nonis over(paid) him?  Because he scored 30 goals once.  And the fact that he never will again is ... a problem.

As for Kulemin, I like him, a lot.  And hooray for all the little things he does / his defense etc. but he needs to score more.

Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 07:40:14 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

No. It's the fact that one of them is useless that's the problem.

Are we allowed another compliance buyout this off season?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 07:40:43 PM
Are we allowed another compliance buyout this off season?

Nope. Leafs used up both of theirs already. Not that it would matter. Couldn't use it on Clarkson any way.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:41:32 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Why do you think Nonis over(paid) him?  Because he scored 30 goals once.  And the fact that he never will again is ... a problem.

As for Kulemin, I like him, a lot.  And hooray for all the little things he does / his defense etc. but he needs to score more.

But the fact they scored those goals once and won't again isn't the problem, it's paying them like they will.  If you don't and they are still useful otherwise (like Kulemin) then it's not a problem.

Nonis overpaying Clarkson is a problem.  Clarkson scoring those goals once isn't a problem for the Leafs.

Would Jay McClement having hypothetically scoring 30 goals once and then being signed as a 4th line/PK guy be a problem because he scored 30 goals once and never will again?  No, because he'd be signed to a contract where it wasn't expected of him.

Clarkson's contract is the problem, not the goals he scored before.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 07:46:14 PM
Anyone else having picture problems? Very, very bright screen here.

Mine too. It's awful. Can barely see the face off circles. I have Bell. You?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:47:35 PM
That's an awful call.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
It's so cool that we have two one-time 30 goal scorers who will never, ever get within a country mile of doing it again.

That in and of itself is not a problem.

Well, yes it is actually.  But "intangibles"!

Why is that a problem?  The fact that they both scored 30 goals once and won't again?  That fact is not a problem.  The problem is paying Clarkson like he is a 30 goal scorer, not the fact that he scored 30 goals once.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  Why do you think Nonis over(paid) him?  Because he scored 30 goals once.  And the fact that he never will again is ... a problem.

As for Kulemin, I like him, a lot.  And hooray for all the little things he does / his defense etc. but he needs to score more.

But the fact they scored those goals once and won't again isn't the problem, it's paying them like they will.  If you don't and they are still useful otherwise (like Kulemin) then it's not a problem.

Nonis overpaying Clarkson is a problem.  Clarkson scoring those goals once isn't a problem for the Leafs.

Would Jay McClement having hypothetically scoring 30 goals once and then being signed as a 4th line/PK guy be a problem because he scored 30 goals once and never will again?  No, because he'd be signed to a contract where it wasn't expected of him.

Clarkson's contract is the problem, not the goals he scored before.

Well, even by your own logic it's two sides of the same coin. 

And simply on its own, there's no rational way that you can maintain that someone scoring 30 goals once and never again is not a problem.  Unless you'd rather not have them score 30 again.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:49:04 PM
That's an awful call.

I thought so too, but he did hit Lundqvist's head so in an iffy push it's going to go against the offensive player.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 07:49:07 PM

That's an awful call.

Especially when you consider how they were running Reimer last game. Where's the consistency?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 07:52:06 PM
And simply on its own, there's no rational way that you can maintain that someone scoring 30 goals once and never again is not a problem.  Unless you'd rather not have them score 30 again.

Wanting them to score 30 again has nothing to do with whether it is a problem or not.  It only becomes a problem if you pay them commensurate to a 30-goal scorer and they don't do it.

I'm struggling to think of any other way to explain this.  The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again is not a problem - a problem only arises after the fact by how a GM/coach pays/uses the player.  A GM overpaying based on that is a problem; the player scoring those goals and not doing so again is not a problem.

You could sign Kulemin for a reasonable deal to be a ~15 goal, solid defensive player and it would be fine - how would his 30 goals then be a problem?  It wouldn't, because it isn't and won't ever be a problem.  The GM creates a problem if they overpay for something that isn't likely to occur.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 07:58:00 PM
Problem #1:
The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again   

Problem #2:
GM overpaying based on that

Two problems.  Or two sides of the same problematic coin, as I said above.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: harps64 on March 05, 2014, 07:58:50 PM
Anyone else having picture problems? Very, very bright screen here.

Mine too. It's awful. Can barely see the face off circles. I have Bell. You?

Yup, Bell. Usually I get a great picture, but not tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:01:01 PM
OK, I'm officially sick of TSN flogging the telepathic, uncanny, fairy-tale reunion of the two heroes of 2004.
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Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 08:01:36 PM
Problem #1:
The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again   

Problem #2:
GM overpaying based on that

Two problems.  Or two sides of the same problematic coin, as I said above.

I'm with Potvin on this one. I real failly to see how what some did in the past is a problem if they're not being paid like they're expected to do it again or being used in a role where they're expected to do it again.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:03:36 PM
Problem #1:
The FACT of them scoring the 30 goals and not doing it again   

Problem #2:
GM overpaying based on that

Two problems.  Or two sides of the same problematic coin, as I said above.

I'm with Potvin on this one. I real failly to see how what some did in the past is a problem if they're not being paid like they're expected to do it again or being used in a role where they're expected to do it again.

I guess my epistemology makes a distinction between expectations and problems qua problems.  :P
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 08:05:36 PM
I guess my epistemology makes a distinction between expectations and problems qua problems.  :P

I guess, but, really, only one of them has those expectations attached to him by the team. The other is still a useful player.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:08:02 PM
All right Bozak, fill it up.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
All right Bozak, fill it up.

Like that.
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Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 08:08:44 PM
Bozak!
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Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 08:08:56 PM
Bozak is good in the shootout . . . errr, at penalty shots.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2014, 08:09:30 PM
We rule man

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Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 08:09:40 PM
We rule man
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:09:44 PM
Yeah, too bad for JVR he deserved an assist on that.
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Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 08:10:08 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/bears/Wellwood42Bear-1.jpg)
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Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 08:10:46 PM
Bozak bringing it this season.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 08:15:37 PM
don't think my dog thinks much of this play by play guy. He just turned around on the couch, and hit the mute button on the remote....   ;D
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:16:13 PM
Kessel's playing far better without the puck than I ever thought he could.
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 08:16:40 PM
Bozak bringing it this season.

Big time, he took a lot of heat, but he's become.an invaluable member of that line.

He deserves credit for still working at it even with the big contract already signed.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 08:19:11 PM
Gardiner is really, really good.  Leafs best possession player this season - could probably be great on a better team.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 08:24:51 PM
Rangers player falls over Bernier, no call.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 08:25:01 PM
So not a shot on goal either
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 08:25:41 PM
So not a shot on goal either

Hit Lundqvist's stick so it should be.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 08:28:22 PM
Ok I'm way behind.  Wasn't clarkson a scratch?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 08:28:47 PM
Ok I'm way behind.  Wasn't clarkson a scratch?
I was just wondering the same thing. Who lied and said Clarkson was sitting tonight?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 08:29:38 PM
Ok I'm way behind.  Wasn't clarkson a scratch?
I was just wondering the same thing. Who lied and said Clarkson was sitting tonight?

Gamesheet said he wasn't on it, was reported, but it was just a mistake on the sheet.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 08:30:13 PM
Ok I'm way behind.  Wasn't clarkson a scratch?
I was just wondering the same thing. Who lied and said Clarkson was sitting tonight?

Chris Cuthbert of TSN at the beginning
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 08:33:09 PM
I know they're winning, but my god is it painful watching them try to defend.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 08:36:00 PM

Ok I'm way behind.  Wasn't clarkson a scratch?
I was just wondering the same thing. Who lied and said Clarkson was sitting tonight?

Chris Cuthbert of TSN at the beginning

It was all over twitter too
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 08:39:47 PM
I know they're winning, but my god is it painful watching them try to defend.

Wait. They're actually trying to defend? Are you sure about that?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:39:48 PM
God almighty, Pang is worse than "Henny."
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
Haha extra long virgin!
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 08:47:00 PM
Game is running long tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 08:49:44 PM
Despite scoring 30 goals once, Kulemin still managed to pick Nash's pocket and then get a hard shot off that Lupul almost scored on the rebound.  Nice shift by that line.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:52:55 PM
Despite scoring 30 goals once, Kulemin still managed to pick Nash's pocket and then get a hard shot off that Lupul almost scored on the rebound.  Nice shift by that line.

Almost scoring is a problem.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 08:55:15 PM
What is this discussion about Bozak being a #1C?  He's one of the best college FA signings in, well, ever.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
They're right about Bozak, he is Mr Cool
Title: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:06:15 PM
What is this discussion about Bozak being a #1C?  He's one of the best college FA signings in, well, ever.

Check out captain hindsight. :)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:07:27 PM
Flyers being their usual goon selves vs. the Caps.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 09:09:22 PM
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Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:09:26 PM
Great work by the one-time scoring superstar there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:09:35 PM
Now that is a second line Kuli, Lups and Kad's
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:09:42 PM
Kulemin almost scoring is a problem . . . for the Rangers.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:09:45 PM
All Kulemin there
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 09:09:49 PM
Kadri!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:11:15 PM
That line has been very good tonight.

No surprise...

Quote
@mirtle

2-0 Leafs. Kadri gets that one. Line looks much, much better without Clarkson.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:12:22 PM
Three good defensive plays by Kessel and then that
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:13:04 PM
Kulemin almost scoring is a problem . . . for the Rangers.

Well said.  We always have to keep in mind the innate nontransitivity of problems.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:13:16 PM
Now can they hold a 3rd period lead?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
Now can they hold a 3rd period lead?

Uhhh...... probably NOT.  FFS.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
You can choose to keep Kulemin or Bolland next season, who do you choose?

Is Kulemin on Malkin's wing next year a forgone conclusion?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:15:46 PM
effin dion
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Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2014, 09:15:50 PM
We stink dudes

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Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:15:53 PM
As if the PK wasn't bad enough, now the Leafs are giving up goals on a the PP on a regular basis now.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sanecow on March 05, 2014, 09:16:38 PM
This isn't going to become a thing, is it?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:16:42 PM
Wide shot and then off Phaneuf ..Go figure!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:16:42 PM
Another short handed goal against.  Phanuef is a knucklehead.

They have to stop with the SH goals against.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 09:17:00 PM
They should have reviewed that. Looked like it was redirected. LOL.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:17:31 PM
That's all on Franson, what a disgusting play in the third period of a road game.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:17:36 PM
Another short handed goal against.  Phanuef is a knucklehead.

They have to stop with the SH goals against.

How is that Phaneuf's fault?  He's blamed for anything.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:17:49 PM
wow,  everything going well until we get one stupid PP.  makes alot of sense.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sanecow on March 05, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
Apparently it is.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2014, 09:18:23 PM
Our pp stinks dudes

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Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:18:26 PM
This isn't going to become a thing, is it?

It's officially a thing.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Wow.  Twice in a week they have given up two SH goals on the same PP.  This team is an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:18:45 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:18:55 PM
And Bernier is our #1. Yeah right
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:18:58 PM
Bruuuutal.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:19:08 PM
BWA ha ha.  What a clown show.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:19:11 PM
I really think that what Stralman did there ought to be a penalty.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:19:19 PM
THEY GOT A PP AND GAVE UP A 2 GOAL LEAD?!?!?!??!?!??!

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Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:19:30 PM
lol!!
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Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:19:53 PM
Unfricken believeable.  This will not end well.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 09:19:56 PM
Gotta love that. Randy's fab 5 on for both shorties. Keep throwing them out there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:20:10 PM
THEY GOT A PP AND GAVE UP A 2 GOAL LEAD?!?!?!??!?!??!

Be proud, Dave Nonis.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:20:16 PM
At least we can make a trade tomorrow to galvanize the group.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:20:27 PM
The PP has allowed 4 goals in the last 4 games. Including tonight, they haven't scored one in 7.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:20:36 PM
Bad pass by Kessel on that goal.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: MetalRaven on March 05, 2014, 09:20:41 PM
Third giveaway ive seen Kessel make this game...and I skipped the second period
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:20:50 PM
Maybe that's karma "rewarding" Kadri's dive to give them the pp in the first place.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:21:06 PM
And that is Bernier. IMO

Where is the big save jerk
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Damian on March 05, 2014, 09:21:16 PM
You just cant make this sh*t up ladies and germs
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 09:21:22 PM
And Bernier is our #1. Yeah right

No fault of Bernier on either of those
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sanecow on March 05, 2014, 09:21:46 PM
Next time a Maple Leafs player is tripped, he should confess to diving.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Screwball on March 05, 2014, 09:22:01 PM
That's ridiculous.

The team better not quit now.

If they haven't already.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:22:36 PM
He did not even move on the second goal
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:22:40 PM
And Bernier is our #1. Yeah right

No fault of Bernier on either of those
I agree!No chance for Bernier to stop the first one.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:22:47 PM
these games are important too.  could pass Tampa. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:22:57 PM
It just always happens, nice goals, goals bouncing in off players.  It's ridiculous and been a staple since Carlyle has been here (and maybe before, I don't know).
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: x.jr.benchwarmer on March 05, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Gardiner has had such a good game tonight-it's unfortunate he wasn't put on the PP instead of the two give-away artists.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 09:23:05 PM
Another short handed goal against.  Phanuef is a knucklehead.

They have to stop with the SH goals against.

How is that Phaneuf's fault?  He's blamed for anything.


Elisa settle down. He's not the only one who gets s**t on.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:23:19 PM
He did not even move on the second goal

That's a play where, if the shot is on net, the puck goes in like 90% of the time.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:23:24 PM
Gardiner has had such a good game tonight-it's unfortunate he wasn't put on the PP instead of the two give-away artists.

Give-away artists?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:23:48 PM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:24:03 PM
20th time the Leafs have blown a lead in the 3rd this season. That's . . . well, that's bad.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Screwball on March 05, 2014, 09:25:01 PM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Jekyll and Mr Hyde

Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 09:25:03 PM
I really think that what Stralman did there ought to be a penalty.

What did he do, I didn't catch it.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 09:25:04 PM
W.T.F.!?

I go upstairs for two minutes to make lunch for hubby's work tomorrow......and the game is tied?!!!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/facepalms%20and%20reactions/wtfbear.jpg)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 09:25:16 PM
I have no words. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 09:25:39 PM
20th time the Leafs have blown a lead in the 3rd this season. That's . . . well, that's bad.

Game 7 aftershocks.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:26:09 PM
If only they'd declined the penalty and taken the first down.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Derk on March 05, 2014, 09:26:12 PM
Not only is my friggin internet not working 90% of the time lately, but in between hiccups the Leafs give up two shorties on the same powerplay? AGAIN? What is wrong with this team?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: MetalRaven on March 05, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
Thats Tripping on Devorski! Wheres the penalty ref?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:27:06 PM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.

Yep.  That and a crazy good run by one line.  Otherwise they have a helluva lot of ... well, you know.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:27:16 PM
20th time the Leafs have blown a lead in the 3rd this season. That's . . . well, that's bad.

Game 7 aftershocks.

No. It's happening too frequently for that. The problem is much deeper. It's a systemic/organizational issue.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:27:52 PM
I really think that what Stralman did there ought to be a penalty.

What did he do, I didn't catch it.

He touched the puck with a high stick pretty intentionally in the defensive zone with the Leafs cycling. Play stops, Rangers regroup, momentum killed.
Title: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:27:57 PM
20th time the Leafs have blown a lead in the 3rd this season. That's . . . well, that's bad.

It's almost like someth I ng monumentally bad happened last spring in a third period that's left a permanent weakness.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 09:28:54 PM
Hoping for good things for Leaf fans is such a fool's game
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:28:58 PM
If they end up winning this and some guy says "Well, we showed a lot of resilience after those hiccups" or something like that, I'm going to barf.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 09:29:04 PM
20th time the Leafs have blown a lead in the 3rd this season. That's . . . well, that's bad.

Game 7 aftershocks.

No. It's happening too frequently for that. The problem is much deeper. It's a systemic/organizational issue.

RANDY friging CARLYLE!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:29:09 PM
I feel we have better chances at winning a game from coming  behind than holding lead.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:29:14 PM

W.T.F.!?

I go upstairs for two minutes to make lunch for hubby's work tomorrow......and the game is tied?!!!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/facepalms%20and%20reactions/wtfbear.jpg)

:(

Franson messing up during the PP. I love Kessel but he has been giving up a lot of passes. We should also bench Clarky.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:29:28 PM
20th time the Leafs have blown a lead in the 3rd this season. That's . . . well, that's bad.

Game 7 aftershocks.

No. It's happening too frequently for that. The problem is much deeper. It's a systemic/organizational issue.

Pretty sad when they talked in the off-season about making moves to stop stuff like that from happening again and have now blown 20 3rd period leads in 64 games.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:30:35 PM
RANDY friging CARLYLE!

His coaching strategies are part of it, yes. It's also likely a leadership issue (which also includes Carlyle to an extent).
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Screwball on March 05, 2014, 09:30:38 PM
Hoping for good things for Leaf fans is such a fool's game

It could be worse, you could be a Bills fan too.  ;D
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:31:08 PM
Good chance by JVR.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:31:21 PM
JVR is the best
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:31:33 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:31:48 PM
W.T.F.!?

I go upstairs for two minutes to make lunch for hubby's work tomorrow......and the game is tied?!!!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/facepalms%20and%20reactions/wtfbear.jpg)
Only takes  a minute for this team to self implode >:(
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sanecow on March 05, 2014, 09:31:59 PM
DECLINE!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:32:01 PM
No NO NOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.

Answered your own question I think.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:32:07 PM
Oh no 2 more goals against
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 09:32:09 PM
oh goodie! A Leaf PP! Another chance for the Rangers to score.......
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:32:12 PM
RANDY friging CARLYLE!

He's really got to work on how he's telling players to get hit by the puck and deflect it into their own goal.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Please god, no powerplay.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 09:32:16 PM
Somehow are still 22-1-2 when leading after 2, shootout has helped I'm sure.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 09:32:28 PM
Decline! Decline!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:32:39 PM
Friggin great a power play again
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:33:05 PM
That looked like a pretty soft call. The refs are clearly giving the game to NY.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:33:17 PM
I'm nervous about this PP.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 09:33:29 PM
I have a question for those of you more familiar with the obscure rules etc.....

Is there plus/minus awarded when there's a penalty shot? And does it count as a power play goal?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:34:05 PM
Somehow are still 22-1-2 when leading after 2, shootout has helped I'm sure.

Doesn't really have that same oomph as blowing all those leads though, does it?
Title: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:34:08 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.

Answered your own question I think.

True, but I'd think at least one or two would have enough integrity to ask what everyone wants to know.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
RANDY friging CARLYLE!

He's really got to work on how he's telling players to get hit by the puck and deflect it into their own goal.

This is a tired retort.  You're well aware coaches are qualified to be held responsible for the consistency of the teams deficient play and lack of defensive awareness. 
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
Announcers said that on Sunday they were focusing on Special Teams. Hope it pays off on this PP.
Title: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:34:45 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.

Answered your own question I think.

True, but I'd think at least one or two would have enough integrity to ask what everyone wants to know.

Easier to passive aggressively talk about it on Twitter.  ;D
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sanecow on March 05, 2014, 09:34:54 PM
Thank god, got through the penalty.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.


Team is lucky to be where they are. They're not as good as their record shows. Bernier and Reimer along with Kessel are the only reason we're in a playoff position. Nonis with his signings and putting us at the cap didn't help in maybe making this team better today. Although I think a deal could have been made today seeing how guys went for so cheap. Still think Burke was a better GM. I have no idea what these guys see from the press box day in day out. Be surprised if we hold on to a playoff position.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:35:40 PM
Is Bozak hurt? Not the first or second time Kadri has taken a shift with the top line tonight.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 09:35:52 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.

Because with the exception of the Star, the media's bosses own the team.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:35:54 PM
Oh man close
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:36:01 PM
Man, put it in!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:36:10 PM
This is a tired retort. 

For a tired complaint. The captain of the team doesn't need to be coached to have a vague sense of where the puck is.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 09:36:24 PM
I really hope Clarkson is saving his best hockey for the playoffs (if we make it). 
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:36:52 PM
Kuli! I believe in you. Ack!!
Title: Re: Re: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:37:16 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.

Answered your own question I think.

True, but I'd think at least one or two would have enough integrity to ask what everyone wants to know.

Easier to passive aggressively talk about it on Twitter.  ;D

Well put.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 09:37:48 PM
I know the media are protective of their credentials etc, but why aren't they asking Carlyle these tough questions in scrums.

Because with the exception of the Star, the media's bosses own the team.

And a lot of those are on Sportsnet and TSN. As talking heads too.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:38:42 PM

I really hope Clarkson is saving his best hockey for the playoffs (if we make it).

With that giveaway, he needs to show up now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Downtown on March 05, 2014, 09:39:03 PM
Clarkson is beyond useless. Send him to the Marlies for the next couple of years.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:41:02 PM
This is a tired retort. 

For a tired complaint. The captain of the team doesn't need to be coached to have a vague sense of where the puck is.

I assume by this you mean that regardless of coach, the talent on the team would produce the same results.  That's a fair argument.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:41:29 PM
Thank the Swede.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:41:31 PM
Everyone but Kulemin, Kadri, Franson and Ranger getting killed in shot attempts tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 09:42:25 PM
@Jeffler: There have been 52 goals scored on Toronto Maple Leafs powerplays this year. Approximately 20% of them (10) are by the other team.


Tragic
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 09:42:57 PM
Potvin your'e the stat wizard. How many games have we blown this year to teams in our conference. Team can't put teams away and I know we've won our share of shootouts the single point this team gives up too often hurts big time.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:43:42 PM

@Jeffler: There have been 52 goals scored on Toronto Maple Leafs powerplays this year. Approximately 20% of them (10) are by the other team.


Tragic

Maybe this is the reason why I now have a pinched nerve. My induction to being a passionate Leafs fan.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:44:17 PM
Up until today i used to like st. louis. Can't stand guys that bail on their team.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:45:26 PM
Disappointing going to OT. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Kessel Run on March 05, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
Good god the Leafs are horrible. I'm literally shaking my head the entire game.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:49:12 PM
Franson out on a 3 on 3? Yikes.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 09:49:34 PM
McClement in OT ? Good coaching RC
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
CARYLE!
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
That's what I thought beotch
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: 13th fan on March 05, 2014, 09:50:14 PM
Mr Cool scores!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: lc9 on March 05, 2014, 09:50:19 PM
Goal!  Leafs win.  Kessel and Bozak with good plays.  Bozak wins it on the pass from Kessel.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 09:50:20 PM
O.M.G.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/bears/Wellwood42Bear-1.jpg)

who knew!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:50:29 PM
Man, if only Bozak could finish.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
Important win. A loss here and the Leafs could have been easily staring down the barrel of an 8 game winless streak.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Derk on March 05, 2014, 09:50:39 PM
Free point to the Rangers. This game should not have gone to OT.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
We rule man!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:50:56 PM
Kessel makes up for that bad giveaway.
Title: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: WIGWALS_wifey on March 05, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
Finally!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 05, 2014, 09:51:24 PM
Mr Cool score, but remember he is not a 1 C
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: gunnar36 on March 05, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
I want to know what Carlyle was saying to Ladoueceur there.  He was giving it to him by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 05, 2014, 09:51:53 PM
We rule man!

No we don't, in truth.  Embarrassing to give them a point.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:52:37 PM
Kessel avoids 2 straight without a point.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 09:52:49 PM
A well coached game. Bad lapse during the PP, but Carlyle didn't panic.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: barney_rebel on March 05, 2014, 09:54:22 PM
We rule man!

No we don't, in truth.  Embarrassing to give them a point.

That's ok, we gave the extra point to the Habs too the other night.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Boston Leaf on March 05, 2014, 09:56:27 PM
we have some pretty dumb players. the bad passes are unreal. Franson, Gardiner all the time.Even holland and kessel joined the bad turnover brigade. Glad for the win but team is headed nowhere..
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 09:57:15 PM

Kessel led the team at 25:24.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Strangelove on March 05, 2014, 09:59:04 PM
Not a terrible game. Top two lines were pretty good, barring a few lapses.

Lupul seems like he must be either injured, or losing confidence, or something, because he doesn't have that spark in his game.

Phaneuf, too, looks absolutely plodding out there (even beyond how slow he's looked for the majority of the season). I really hope he's injured or something, because this is pretty painful to watch.

Clarkson seems like he's utterly disinterested. He barely moves his legs anymore. It's like he's resigned to sucking. Great guy to have in the line-up.

On the other side, Bozak has found a way to play precisely to his strengths and has proven to be really useful. And Kulemin looks like he's back to being an extremely useful player as well - he'll leave a pretty gaping hole in the line-up if he signs elsewhere, but at this rate it'll be hard to keep him unless they find a way to get rid Clarkson's absolute albatross of a contract.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 09:59:30 PM

Kessel led the team at 25:24.

Interesting stat for sure.  How'd he have more than any d-man?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:01:20 PM

Kessel led the team at 25:24.

Interesting stat for sure.  How'd he have more than any d-man?

7 D, so D ice time could be a little more spread out.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Leafs71 on March 05, 2014, 10:02:29 PM

Kessel led the team at 25:24.

Interesting stat for sure.  How'd he have more than any d-man?

Its easier to play big minutes when he has a non-existent physical element to his game.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:03:22 PM
(http://elia.jootamam.net/kuvat/random/asdd/facepalm.jpg)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 05, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
man, just saw the first shortie on the highlights.  what a total joke.   
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Damian on March 05, 2014, 10:12:17 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 10:17:04 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

I mean...it's been a pretty successful PP this year.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Stickytape on March 05, 2014, 10:19:09 PM
Since the Olympics, I think the opposition has had a better % on the Leafs power plays than the Leafs.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
Since the Olympics, I think the opposition has had a better % on the Leafs power plays than the Leafs.

I don't think Leafs have scored a PP goal since the Olympics break so...yes.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: The Good, The Bad & the Jokinen on March 05, 2014, 10:30:45 PM
Not a terrible game. Top two lines were pretty good, barring a few lapses.

Lupul seems like he must be either injured, or losing confidence, or something, because he doesn't have that spark in his game.

Phaneuf, too, looks absolutely plodding out there (even beyond how slow he's looked for the majority of the season). I really hope he's injured or something, because this is pretty painful to watch.

Clarkson seems like he's utterly disinterested. He barely moves his legs anymore. It's like he's resigned to sucking. Great guy to have in the line-up.

On the other side, Bozak has found a way to play precisely to his strengths and has proven to be really useful. And Kulemin looks like he's back to being an extremely useful player as well - he'll leave a pretty gaping hole in the line-up if he signs elsewhere, but at this rate it'll be hard to keep him unless they find a way to get rid Clarkson's absolute albatross of a contract.

I wouldn't go that far. He has said a couple of times in interviews that he likes toronto...it is where he started and the only home he knows. Both his children were born here and his family loves the city. I can see him working out a deal that helps both sides. He sure has played well since we experimented with him at C.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 05, 2014, 10:49:14 PM

Kessel led the team at 25:24.

Interesting stat for sure.  How'd he have more than any d-man?

Its easier to play big minutes when he has a non-existent physical element to his game.

LOL I hope this is in jest
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 05, 2014, 10:52:05 PM
And Bernier is our #1. Yeah right

35 saves, one flukey, fluttering goal and the other from a 2 on 1. .926 save %. Yea, he's terrible.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 05, 2014, 10:56:04 PM
effin dion

And yet another preposterous comment that I can't help but single out. Franson gave that puck away on an unbelievably stupid and lazy play, a fluke shot hits Phaneuf and into the net and Phaneuf is at fault? Tell me, do you blame the coroner when they pronounce someone dead?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 11:04:10 PM
And yet another preposterous comment that I can't help but single out. Franson gave that puck away on an unbelievably stupid and lazy play, a fluke shot hits Phaneuf and into the net and Phaneuf is at fault? Tell me, do you blame the coroner when they pronounce someone dead?

Phaneuf had absolutely no idea where the puck was on the play, was facing away from it and as a result couldn't react to the fluttering puck and was at a pretty bad angle for the resulting deflection. Franson bears some responsibility there but if Phaneuf has his head in the game that puck doesn't go in.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Dappleganger on March 05, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
effin dion

And yet another preposterous comment that I can't help but single out. Franson gave that puck away on an unbelievably stupid and lazy play, a fluke shot hits Phaneuf and into the net and Phaneuf is at fault? Tell me, do you blame the coroner when they pronounce someone dead?

No, I blame Dion for not saving my life. What kind of hero is that?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Joe S. on March 05, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

Frantzen?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:14:34 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

Frantzen?

He's mad as heck and his spelling ain't gonna take it no more!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:19:26 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

Frantzen?

Clearly, he comes from the John Travolta school of name-getting-rightness.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 05, 2014, 11:23:44 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

Frantzen?

Terrible on the PP, hell of an author.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2014, 11:28:31 PM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

Frantzen?

Terrible on the PP, hell of an author.

I'm more a fan of the works of Nigel Cadbury, but to each his own.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Rebel_1812 on March 05, 2014, 11:46:41 PM
St Louis just admited that the olympic snub was part of the reason he wanted out of tampa bay.  I lost alot of respect for this guy. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Tigger on March 06, 2014, 12:40:09 AM
Phaneuf and Frantzen together on any PP is a friggen joke... no?

Frantzen?

Terrible on the PP, hell of an author.

I'm more a fan of the works of Nigel Cadbury, but to each his own.

I remember my first soiree with Jazz'em, quite the gentleman and scholar, though the Kadri-berries were a little off wing...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 06, 2014, 12:51:31 AM
St Louis just admited that the olympic snub was part of the reason he wanted out of tampa bay.  I lost alot of respect for this guy. 


Call it the "chip on his shoulder", so to speak.  Quite possibly, he made that his raison d'ętre for wanting out.  If he hadn't been snubbed, would it have made it any easier for him  to leave Tampa?

St.Louis:
I always felt if I was going to leave Tampa, the first place I'd want to play would be in New York," St. Louis said. "It's been in the back of my mind for a long time, but I wouldn't trade those 14 years in Tampa for anything."


Source:  TSN
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: RedLeaf on March 06, 2014, 08:17:54 AM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.

That , and just collecting points when they need to. Even when they look bad and everyone has thrown in the towel, they pull out a point or two and carry on. They've got 4 out of a possible 8 since play returned after the Olympics. Not great, but still .500 hockey. Not sure how anyone can call that terrible.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 06, 2014, 09:06:51 AM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.

That , and just collecting points when they need to. Even when they look bad and everyone has thrown in the towel, they pull out a point or two and carry on. They've got 4 out of a possible 8 since play returned after the Olympics. Not great, but still .500 hockey. Not sure how anyone can call that terrible.

It's pretty bad to get consistently outplayed, give up the most 3rd period leads in the league, give up the most shots in the league, have the 3rd worst PK, give up the 5th most GA/game, and be a negative in GF/GA despite having one goalie in the top 10 in SV% and both in the top 26 in SV%.

Sure there are positives (first line, PP) - but they have 4 less ROW's than any other EC team in a playoff spot. 

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, which is why it is alarming to a lot of people that they are in a playoff position on the back of having a high number of shootout wins.  It is also alarming that they've spent to the cap, received some of the best goaltending in the league, and are still on the bubble to be in the playoffs and only are in the playoffs right now because they've had shootout success.

I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Jalili on March 06, 2014, 09:25:29 AM
Going into last night the Leafs were actually 25th in Regulation/Overtime Wins (ROW's).

Pretty crazy actually.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: freer on March 06, 2014, 09:27:36 AM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.

That , and just collecting points when they need to. Even when they look bad and everyone has thrown in the towel, they pull out a point or two and carry on. They've got 4 out of a possible 8 since play returned after the Olympics. Not great, but still .500 hockey. Not sure how anyone can call that terrible.

It's pretty bad to get consistently outplayed, give up the most 3rd period leads in the league, give up the most shots in the league, have the 3rd worst PK, give up the 5th most GA/game, and be a negative in GF/GA despite having one goalie in the top 10 in SV% and both in the top 26 in SV%.

Sure there are positives (first line, PP) - but they have 4 less ROW's than any other EC team in a playoff spot. 

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, which is why it is alarming to a lot of people that they are in a playoff position on the back of having a high number of shootout wins.  It is also alarming that they've spent to the cap, received some of the best goaltending in the league, and are still on the bubble to be in the playoffs and only are in the playoffs right now because they've had shootout success.

I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.

We dont have to satisfied with their play. But we all remember 7 years without playoff hockey. I am happy that they are in the running for a playoff spot because that is anyone game in the east. There are no super unbeatable teams
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 06, 2014, 09:29:49 AM
It's really hard to understand how this group still holds a playoff position.

Success in the shootout. That's really all that separates them from the teams behind them.

That , and just collecting points when they need to. Even when they look bad and everyone has thrown in the towel, they pull out a point or two and carry on. They've got 4 out of a possible 8 since play returned after the Olympics. Not great, but still .500 hockey. Not sure how anyone can call that terrible.

It's pretty bad to get consistently outplayed, give up the most 3rd period leads in the league, give up the most shots in the league, have the 3rd worst PK, give up the 5th most GA/game, and be a negative in GF/GA despite having one goalie in the top 10 in SV% and both in the top 26 in SV%.

Sure there are positives (first line, PP) - but they have 4 less ROW's than any other EC team in a playoff spot. 

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, which is why it is alarming to a lot of people that they are in a playoff position on the back of having a high number of shootout wins.  It is also alarming that they've spent to the cap, received some of the best goaltending in the league, and are still on the bubble to be in the playoffs and only are in the playoffs right now because they've had shootout success.

I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.

We dont have to satisfied with their play. But we all remember 7 years without playoff hockey. I am happy that they are in the running for a playoff spot because that is anyone game in the east. There are no super unbeatable teams

I'm happy they have the chance to make the playoffs too.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Kessel Run on March 06, 2014, 09:50:25 AM
St Louis just admited that the olympic snub was part of the reason he wanted out of tampa bay.  I lost alot of respect for this guy.

Yeah, what a baby.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: mc on March 06, 2014, 09:55:09 AM
St Louis just admited that the olympic snub was part of the reason he wanted out of tampa bay.  I lost alot of respect for this guy.

Yeah, what a baby.

What a tool.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: hap_leaf on March 06, 2014, 10:03:01 AM
It's pretty bad to get consistently outplayed, give up the most 3rd period leads in the league, give up the most shots in the league, have the 3rd worst PK, give up the 5th most GA/game, and be a negative in GF/GA despite having one goalie in the top 10 in SV% and both in the top 26 in SV%.

Sure there are positives (first line, PP) - but they have 4 less ROW's than any other EC team in a playoff spot. 


Nobody can explain this team and I have given up trying to figure it out and just enjoy the product on the ice.  Whatever the recipe is that made this team, no matter how non-standard their play, no matter how perplexing it is to label them...at the end of the day they have enough ways to beat their opponent. 
They are 10 games above .500 and 3rd in their division.  Being outshot most nights in their last 100 games.  Still they get it done.  It is beyond imaginable that they can sustain that, but they do.  Flying in the face of all logic. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Deebo on March 06, 2014, 10:07:42 AM
There are no shootouts in the playoffs, which is why it is alarming to a lot of people that they are in a playoff position on the back of having a high number of shootout wins.

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, there is also more than 5 minutes of OT in the playoffs so we don't really know how those games would have gone if they played continuous OT. The Leafs are 3-4 in games that have been decided in OT.

I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.

Because they now have the talent to win despite these problems, weather in regulation/OT or in the shootout. I prefer this to the days where they would "outplay" the opposition and lose because the goaltenders weren't good enough or they didn't have talented players to score goals.

I found those games much more frustrating to watch because I wasn't able to see the path to improvement. I think its an easier task for a GM to find ways to address the areas that currently need improvement rather than trying to find top end talent and solid starting goaltending.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Derk on March 06, 2014, 10:22:42 AM
I much prefer they make the playoffs because of shootout success rather than missing the playoffs because they were terrible at it.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Potvin29 on March 06, 2014, 10:23:35 AM
Because they now have the talent to win despite these problems, weather in regulation/OT or in the shootout. I prefer this to the days where they would "outplay" the opposition and lose because the goaltenders weren't good enough or they didn't have talented players to score goals.

I found those games much more frustrating to watch because I wasn't able to see the path to improvement. I think its an easier task for a GM to find ways to address the areas that currently need improvement rather than trying to find top end talent and solid starting goaltending.

The path to improvement was improving the goaltending.  It's not that hard to find solid starting goaltending - Nonis did not have to give up much to grab Bernier, Reimer developed from within, and multiple solid goaltenders have been traded for very little in the last few years.

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, which is why it is alarming to a lot of people that they are in a playoff position on the back of having a high number of shootout wins.

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, there is also more than 5 minutes of OT in the playoffs so we don't really know how those games would have gone if they played continuous OT. The Leafs are 3-4 in games that have been decided in OT.

And if games didn't go to a shootout and there were just ties like there used to be, they would be 24-31-13.

So in games not decided by a shootout the Leafs are 24-31 (24 regulation/OT wins, 23 regulation losses + 8 OT losses).  That doesn't strike me as a strong bet for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 06, 2014, 10:54:51 AM
That doesn't strike me as a strong bet for the playoffs.

Realistically, this team was never going to go into the playoffs as anything resembling a favourite. They're just not that good. Going into the season I think just about anyone would have put them as a bubble playoff team that would have to cross their fingers and hope in the first round. Since that's what ended up happening I don't think most people are going to be disappointed or alarmed going forward because as much as shootout success may read to some as winning with smoke and mirrors, it's still probably going to be the way some games get decided over the next couple of months and the Leafs success in it does speak to their ability to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: RedLeaf on March 06, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
There are no shootouts in the playoffs, which is why it is alarming to a lot of people that they are in a playoff position on the back of having a high number of shootout wins.

There are no shootouts in the playoffs, there is also more than 5 minutes of OT in the playoffs so we don't really know how those games would have gone if they played continuous OT. The Leafs are 3-4 in games that have been decided in OT.

I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.

Because they now have the talent to win despite these problems, weather in regulation/OT or in the shootout. I prefer this to the days where they would "outplay" the opposition and lose because the goaltenders weren't good enough or they didn't have talented players to score goals.

I found those games much more frustrating to watch because I wasn't able to see the path to improvement. I think its an easier task for a GM to find ways to address the areas that currently need improvement rather than trying to find top end talent and solid starting goaltending.

This.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Deebo on March 06, 2014, 12:16:39 PM
The path to improvement was improving the goaltending.  It's not that hard to find solid starting goaltending - Nonis did not have to give up much to grab Bernier, Reimer developed from within, and multiple solid goaltenders have been traded for very little in the last few years.

I really don't buy that goaltending was the only reason that those teams weren't good. SV% only tells part of the story IMO.

And if games didn't go to a shootout and there were just ties like there used to be, they would be 24-31-13.

So in games not decided by a shootout the Leafs are 24-31 (24 regulation/OT wins, 23 regulation losses + 8 OT losses).  That doesn't strike me as a strong bet for the playoffs.

How would they have lost 8 more games and played 4 more games if there weren't shootouts? Those would be ties and OTL still existed. Regulation and OT losses would be the same, SO wins and SO losses would become ties.

Under the old system they'd be, 24-23-13-4 (W-L-T-OTL).

In games not decided by shootouts, they are 24-23-4. (W-L-OTL)

But we were comparing regular season to playoffs not current regular season rules to past rules, so I'm not sure why that is relevant.

My point was that games decided in OT have been close to equal for the Leafs so not having shootouts in the playoffs shouldn't be alarming as you suggested, we may have won those games if there was continuous OT.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Zee on March 06, 2014, 12:24:51 PM
The path to improvement was improving the goaltending.  It's not that hard to find solid starting goaltending - Nonis did not have to give up much to grab Bernier, Reimer developed from within, and multiple solid goaltenders have been traded for very little in the last few years.

I really don't buy that goaltending was the only reason that those teams weren't good. SV% only tells part of the story IMO.

And if games didn't go to a shootout and there were just ties like there used to be, they would be 24-31-13.

So in games not decided by a shootout the Leafs are 24-31 (24 regulation/OT wins, 23 regulation losses + 8 OT losses).  That doesn't strike me as a strong bet for the playoffs.

How would they have lost 8 more games and played 4 more games if there weren't shootouts? Those would be ties and OTL still existed. Regulation and OT losses would be the same, SO wins and SO losses would become ties.

Under the old system they'd be, 24-23-13-4 (W-L-T-OTL).

In games not decided by shootouts, they are 24-23-4. (W-L-OTL)

But we were comparing regular season to playoffs not current regular season rules to past rules, so I'm not sure why that is relevant.

My point was that games decided in OT have been close to equal for the Leafs so not having shootouts in the playoffs shouldn't be alarming as you suggested, we may have won those games if there was continuous OT.

I was told there wouldn't be any math involved.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: nutman on March 06, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
I just watched the game in six, and Phaneuf was in on both goals, to bad it was the NYR goals.  Can't be doing that at his pay scale.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 06, 2014, 12:42:47 PM
I just watched the game in six, and Phaneuf was in on both goals, to bad it was the NYR goals.  Can't be doing that at his pay scale.

The 2nd one was a two-on-one after a brutal giveaway by Kessel. it's like certain players have targets on their heads and others are untouchable. And I'm not even that much of a Phaneuf fan.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 06, 2014, 12:47:20 PM
The 2nd one was a two-on-one after a brutal giveaway by Kessel. I probably shouldn't take "to" much stock into this post considering the author but man, it's like certain players have targets on their heads and others are untouchable. And I'm not even that much of a Phaneuf fan.

Except there's merit here too. The way I understand it the textbook thing for a defenseman to do on a 2 on 1 is to play the pass and let the goalie play the shooter. Phaneuf did the exact opposite, pressuring the puck carrier, failing to stop the pass and turning the subsequent pass to Moore into a 1 on 0.

Phaneuf shouldn't take too much heat because A) 2 on 1's are tough regardless and he could have done everything right and still allowed a goal B) It was, as you say, Kessel's gaffe that started the play and C) Pretty much perfectly executed by the Rangers but with all that said, it wasn't a great handling of a 2 on 1.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Deebo on March 06, 2014, 12:50:36 PM
The path to improvement was improving the goaltending.  It's not that hard to find solid starting goaltending - Nonis did not have to give up much to grab Bernier, Reimer developed from within, and multiple solid goaltenders have been traded for very little in the last few years.

I really don't buy that goaltending was the only reason that those teams weren't good. SV% only tells part of the story IMO.

And if games didn't go to a shootout and there were just ties like there used to be, they would be 24-31-13.

So in games not decided by a shootout the Leafs are 24-31 (24 regulation/OT wins, 23 regulation losses + 8 OT losses).  That doesn't strike me as a strong bet for the playoffs.

How would they have lost 8 more games and played 4 more games if there weren't shootouts? Those would be ties and OTL still existed. Regulation and OT losses would be the same, SO wins and SO losses would become ties.

Under the old system they'd be, 24-23-13-4 (W-L-T-OTL).

In games not decided by shootouts, they are 24-23-4. (W-L-OTL)

But we were comparing regular season to playoffs not current regular season rules to past rules, so I'm not sure why that is relevant.

My point was that games decided in OT have been close to equal for the Leafs so not having shootouts in the playoffs shouldn't be alarming as you suggested, we may have won those games if there was continuous OT.

I was told there wouldn't be any math involved.

Math might be the only thing I'm good at.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Andy on March 06, 2014, 12:57:09 PM
The 2nd one was a two-on-one after a brutal giveaway by Kessel. I probably shouldn't take "to" much stock into this post considering the author but man, it's like certain players have targets on their heads and others are untouchable. And I'm not even that much of a Phaneuf fan.

Except there's merit here too. The way I understand it the textbook thing for a defenseman to do on a 2 on 1 is to play the pass and let the goalie play the shooter. Phaneuf did the exact opposite, pressuring the puck carrier, failing to stop the pass and turning the subsequent pass to Moore into a 1 on 0.

Phaneuf shouldn't take too much heat because A) 2 on 1's are tough regardless and he could have done everything right and still allowed a goal B) It was, as you say, Kessel's gaffe that started the play and C) Pretty much perfectly executed by the Rangers but with all that said, it wasn't a great handling of a 2 on 1.

I guess I can agree with that. I just don't see why Phaneuf is the only guy singled out.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Nik Bethune on March 06, 2014, 01:21:14 PM
The 2nd one was a two-on-one after a brutal giveaway by Kessel. I probably shouldn't take "to" much stock into this post considering the author but man, it's like certain players have targets on their heads and others are untouchable. And I'm not even that much of a Phaneuf fan.

Except there's merit here too. The way I understand it the textbook thing for a defenseman to do on a 2 on 1 is to play the pass and let the goalie play the shooter. Phaneuf did the exact opposite, pressuring the puck carrier, failing to stop the pass and turning the subsequent pass to Moore into a 1 on 0.

Phaneuf shouldn't take too much heat because A) 2 on 1's are tough regardless and he could have done everything right and still allowed a goal B) It was, as you say, Kessel's gaffe that started the play and C) Pretty much perfectly executed by the Rangers but with all that said, it wasn't a great handling of a 2 on 1.

I guess I can agree with that. I just don't see why Phaneuf is the only guy singled out.

Well, realistically, Phaneuf just signed a contract that's about to pay him like he's one of the best defensemen in the league. If he's not contributing a ton offensively, as he isn't this season, he's got to justify his salary through defensive play(as opposed to, say, Kessel). On a night like yesterday, or really the last three games where he's been notably ineffective, where he makes poor plays on both opposition goals, that contract starts to look pretty questionable.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: Tigger on March 06, 2014, 06:42:39 PM
I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.

Fwiw I'm not 'satisfied' but then I think the team is heading in a better direction than it has for some time. Pointing out negative elements like row's and some of Carlyle/Nonis choices is fine and all but sometimes it feels like that's all anyone cares about, like the population of a one dead horse town is rapt by the beatings.

To me the talent level overall is getting better, it's not where it needs to be, but it's getting better and I'm encouraged by that.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Rangers - Mar. 5, 7:30pm - TSN, TSN 1050
Post by: RedLeaf on March 06, 2014, 07:16:40 PM
I really don't see how you can be satisfied with the product the Leafs are putting on the ice as a whole right now.

Fwiw I'm not 'satisfied' but then I think the team is heading in a better direction than it has for some time. Pointing out negative elements like row's and some of Carlyle/Nonis choices is fine and all but sometimes it feels like that's all anyone cares about, like the population of a one dead horse town is rapt by the beatings.

To me the talent level overall is getting better, it's not where it needs to be, but it's getting better and I'm encouraged by that.

It's getting better, and I really don't think that too many more parts are needed. Once the young guys get more accustomed to the league, and Nonis weeds out the slackers, adds a few d-men, this team could be a contender in the next few years.