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Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 02, 2014, 06:30:53 PM
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30-25-5, 65 points | 32-22-8, 72 points

Projected Lines

Jenner-Johansen-Horton
Foligno-Anisimov-Gaborik
Umberger-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Calvert-MacKenzie-Letestu

Johnson-Savard
Murray-Wisniewski
Nikitin-Prout

Bobrovsky
             
JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Raymond-Kulemin-Bodie
  McLaren-McClement-Smith 

Gunnarsson-Phaneuf
Gleason-Rielly
Gardiner-Franson

Reimer

Scratches

Blake Comeau
Cody Goloubef
Corey Tropp
      
Paul Ranger   
Colton Orr

Line-up Notes

•Bobrovsky likely starts for Columbus
                                                                                                                                               
      
•Carlyle said that they are considering starting Reimer against Columbus
•Holland was sent back down to the Marlies but Bolland ruled himself out of Monday's game
•Either Kulemin will play centre again or Smith draws in there and  bumps Bodie down

Injuries

     •Blake Comeau - Knee - Questionable Monday
•Fedor Tyutin - Ankle - Injured Reserve
•Jared Boll - Ankle - Injured Reserve
      
•Dave Bolland - Ankle - Out Monday
•Colton Orr - Undisclosed - Questionable Monday

Statistical Leaders

Johansen - 24
Wisniewski - 31
Johansen - 47

Tropp - +11
Dubinsky - 86
   Dubinsky - 55.2%
Johnson - 24:01

Bobrovsky - 21
Bobrovsky - 2.58
Bobrovsky - .915
   
G
A
P

+/-
PIM
FO%
TOI/G

W
GAA
SA%
   
33 - Kessel
36 - Kessel
69 - Kessel

+21 - Phaneuf
96 - Orr
54.2% - McClement
24:22 - Phaneuf

22 - Bernier
2.63 - Bernier
.924 - Bernier

Season Overview

30
25
5
(20th)         65

(7th)      2.90
(19th)      2.80
(14th)   19.4%
(15th)   81.9%

(23rd)      28.7
(23rd)      30.7
(10th)   51.4%

13-14-3
4-5-1
Won 1
   
W
L
OT
P

G/G
GA/G
PP%
PK%

S/G
SA/G
FO%

A | H
L10
Streak
   
32
22
8
72         (12th)

2.84      (9th)
3.02      (26th)
21.4%   (4th)
77.5%   (28th)

27.6      (25th)
36.1      (30th)
48.3%   (24th)

21-10-1
5-2-3
Lost 2

Stream Options

http://www.ourleafs.blogspot.ca/
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http://goATD.Net
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 10:01:39 AM
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@mirtle

Columbus is 12-5-1 in its last 18 games and has more regulation/OT wins and a better goal differential than Leafs. Can't take them lightly.

Didn`t realize they had been doing that well recently.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 10:07:31 AM
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@mirtle

Columbus is 12-5-1 in its last 18 games and has more regulation/OT wins and a better goal differential than Leafs. Can't take them lightly.

Didn`t realize they had been doing that well recently.

Yeah, they really turned it on when Horton returned (20 games). That stretch also coincides with Bobrovsky coming back from his injury and turning his season around (.924 SA% in 16 games). And now they have Gaborik back too.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Deebo on March 03, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
What does taking a game lightly mean?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 10:09:00 AM
What does taking a game lightly mean?

I'd imagine he's speaking more to the fans than the actual team/staff.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 10:23:03 AM
I assumed taking a game lightly was a pretty common knowledge term around sports fans.  For example, my local OHL team had two games this weekend - the first, against a team 10 points back of a playoff spot, and the next day against the #2 ranked team in the country who they had lost 3 previous very close games to.  The coach spoke before the game of making sure the team was up for the first game and not looking past it in anticipation of the 2nd game, likely to be a much more passionate game.

As it turned out, that 1st game had no energy, was sloppy and they barely scraped out a win.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 10:52:56 AM
I just hope they play better than they did in either of the other two games against Columbus this season. They didn't bother showing up for the last one, so, really, there's only room for improvement.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Andy on March 03, 2014, 12:41:03 PM
So is Randy still going with the whole Clarkson on the 2nd line thing despite that entire line playing unbelievably better with Kulemin in that spot?

I guess all Kulemin really needs to do is to get Canadian citizenship, sign a contract double than his current one and try to repeatedly skate single handedly through at least 3 players only to have his low-percentage shot on net deflected wide.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 01:23:55 PM
I just hope they play better than they did in either of the other two games against Columbus this season. They didn't bother showing up for the last one, so, really, there's only room for improvement.

I was going to say, they've already have had plenty of practice at taking them lightly.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Jalili on March 03, 2014, 02:21:02 PM
That's a nice roster Columbus has put together. Not a whole lot of star power (at least as of yet) but very deep. They can roll 4 good lines which isn't that common.

They might be a bit of a dark horse actually.

Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Seymore Pucks on March 03, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
I hope Reimer definitely gets the start tonight and stands on his head.  He deserves another chance to compete for net.   
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: nutman on March 03, 2014, 06:06:03 PM
I don't know about anyone else but I hope Kadri shows up. I just haven't seen him play a solid game in a while, I keep hearing he is going to be a top player, I just don't see it. we need a second line that is a threat, and Kadri just has not been giving us that.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 06:08:57 PM
I don't know about anyone else but I hope Kadri shows up. I just haven't seen him play a solid game in a while, I keep hearing he is going to be a top player, I just don't see it. we need a second line that is a threat, and Kadri just has not been giving us that.

He has 11 points in his last 10 games and is on pace for 60 points.

What more could you want from a 2nd line player?

Maybe you haven't seen him play a solid game in awhile because there was an Olympic break.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 06:43:06 PM
jonasTSN1050: Lines vs. CBJ: van Riemsdyk-Bozak-Kessel. Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson. Raymond-Kulemin-Bodie. Smith-McClement.

jonasTSN1050: Defence: Gunnarsson-Phaneuf. Gardiner-Franson. Gleason-Rielly. Ranger. Goaltender: Reimer.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 06:51:33 PM
jonasTSN1050: Lines vs. CBJ: van Riemsdyk-Bozak-Kessel. Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson. Raymond-Kulemin-Bodie. Smith-McClement.

jonasTSN1050: Defence: Gunnarsson-Phaneuf. Gardiner-Franson. Gleason-Rielly. Ranger. Goaltender: Reimer.

Interesting that they go with 7 defensemen again.  Maybe when your 12th forward is a useless oaf you should actually carry a different guy on the roster. 

I have nothing against Ranger but it seems to me that if you are going to carry an extra guy, it should be someone who provides a unique skill to the lineup.  I'm not sure that Ranger provides that.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Reimer!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:02:13 PM
I have nothing against Ranger but it seems to me that if you are going to carry an extra guy, it should be someone who provides a unique skill to the lineup.  I'm not sure that Ranger provides that.

I've always thought of him as one of our better penalty killing defencemen. At the very least his presence means Garinder/Rielly/Franson don't need to be relied upon there.
Title: Re: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zee on March 03, 2014, 07:02:51 PM
Reimer!

Showcasing him ahead of the Wednesday trade?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:06:02 PM
Doug MacLean wondering why Reimer is starting.

*checks to see if Columbus' broadcast is up and ready yet*
Title: Re: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 07:06:14 PM
Showcasing him ahead of the Wednesday trade?

Or, much more likely, getting him some work so that he's game ready for when he's needed during the stretch run.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:15:37 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:19:31 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Skating into the zone by himself I'm more or less equating the chance of an offensive opportunity being generated as I would if it were Orr.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
Unless the Cap is the reason, with Orr injured and FML on waivers, this is the ideal time to try a 4th line that could actually contribute.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:21:46 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:22:47 PM
I think that Bodie has made McLaren disposable. He has had good hockey instincts and GREAT skating ability.  That is what I was hoping we'd see this year from McLaren.

Too bad.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:23:39 PM
There was some nice passing by the 2nd PP unit, but I don't think there was ever a Leafs player within 5 feet infront of Bobrovsky.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:24:06 PM
Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Yeah, that was bad. The guy has 0 hockey sense.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:25:06 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:26:36 PM

It's an unfair comparison I know but it is pretty hard to look past how much poorer the quality of play is in a game like this than it was in the Olympics.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:26:53 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:26:57 PM
Like that didn't get knocked in by accident when everyone saw the puck laying there.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:28:03 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:28:54 PM
It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.

Or even the media.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:29:07 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.

Even the media seems to be giving him a free pass.  Remember how awful Grabovski was last year?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:30:27 PM
I wish that JVR would stop trying that between the legs move beside the net.  It is a very low percentage option.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:31:04 PM
Regardless of how bad Clarkson's been the fact remains that he's a local guy who took less money to sign here in the offseason. That's going to buy someone a lot of time.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 07:31:14 PM
Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

Yeah. I mean, he's ungood and he's also a major stumbling block in the way of the Leafs improving themselves. It's really a bad combination.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:31:43 PM
I wish that JVR would stop trying that between the legs move beside the net.  It is a very low percentage option.

Probably as good a percentage as any other play from that position.  He's had good success with it.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:32:41 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.

Even the media seems to be giving him a free pass.  Remember how awful Grabovski was last year?

Grabovski's +/- was brought up so many times.  Clarkson's a -5.  And has 10 points.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:33:12 PM
Regardless of how bad Clarkson's been the fact remains that he's a local guy who took less money to sign here in the offseason. That's going to buy someone a lot of time.

I agree.  It's unfortunate.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:33:23 PM
Regardless of how bad Clarkson's been the fact remains that he's a local guy who took less money to sign here in the offseason. That's going to buy someone a lot of time.

Is it really fair to say that he took less to sign here in the offseason, when the team that was offering more was Edmonton?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:34:48 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.

Even the media seems to be giving him a free pass.  Remember how awful Grabovski was last year?

Grabovski's +/- was brought up so many times.  Clarkson's a -5.  And has 10 points.

Clarkson is also on pace to score fewer goals and put up fewer points than Grabovski did last year...not in terms of pace, just raw numbers.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: freer on March 03, 2014, 07:35:05 PM
At least it has not taken them 15 mins to start playing
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
Regardless of how bad Clarkson's been the fact remains that he's a local guy who took less money to sign here in the offseason. That's going to buy someone a lot of time.

Is it really fair to say that he took less to sign here in the offseason, when the team that was offering more was Edmonton?

Narrative is 9/10th's of the law.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.
Aki Berg ,Larry Murphy ,Sergio Momesso etc...  Clarkson could make the list for the boo birds.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:36:11 PM
I wish that JVR would stop trying that between the legs move beside the net.  It is a very low percentage option.

Probably as good a percentage as any other play from that position.  He's had good success with it.

I don't think I agree with you there.  He made a beautiful pass from there since the olympics for an assist though.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:36:57 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.
Aki Berg ,Larry Murphy ,Sergio Momesso etc...  Clarkson could make the list for the boo birds.

Bryan McCabe strikes me as one who was booed despite being far more useful than I can ever imagine Clarkson being.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:37:01 PM
Regardless of how bad Clarkson's been the fact remains that he's a local guy who took less money to sign here in the offseason. That's going to buy someone a lot of time.

Is it really fair to say that he took less to sign here in the offseason, when the team that was offering more was Edmonton?

Narrative is 9/10th's of the law.

Good choice of words seeing as free agents only choose to sign with Edmonton in Fantasies.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:38:07 PM
The real shame of it, and I think LK got at it when he mentioned the first PP, is that the kind of player that Clarkson was sold as is exactly the kind of player the team needs. A gritty, physical winger who could stand in front of the net on the second PP unit and knock home ugly goals would be the one thing I'd want the team to look for at the trade deadline if it weren't for the fact that Clarkson will probably keep getting that ice time.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:39:23 PM
Regardless of how bad Clarkson's been the fact remains that he's a local guy who took less money to sign here in the offseason. That's going to buy someone a lot of time.

Is it really fair to say that he took less to sign here in the offseason, when the team that was offering more was Edmonton?

Narrative is 9/10th's of the law.

Any terrible contract in Edmonton we could Clarkson for??
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 07:39:40 PM
Hearing Andy Frost yelling in the background there as we came back for the commercial just reminds me how much I dislike him as an announcer. Screaming into the mic for everything is not my cup of tea.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 07:40:30 PM
I'll say something else.. The Kessel line is hard to handle.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 07:41:48 PM
Clarkson is also on pace to score fewer goals and put up fewer points than Grabovski did last year...not in terms of pace, just raw numbers.

And Clarkson's actually averaging more ES TOI/game and 0:26 seconds less PP TOI/game.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 03, 2014, 07:43:18 PM
ooooh, my kind of intermission...... Joffrey coming up!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:43:41 PM
Clarkson is also on pace to score fewer goals and put up fewer points than Grabovski did last year...not in terms of pace, just raw numbers.

And Clarkson's actually averaging more ES TOI/game and 0:26 seconds less PP TOI/game.

And not playing nearly as much in a shutdown role against the oppositions top line.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
The real shame of it, and I think LK got at it when he mentioned the first PP, is that the kind of player that Clarkson was sold as is exactly the kind of player the team needs. A gritty, physical winger who could stand in front of the net on the second PP unit and knock home ugly goals would be the one thing I'd want the team to look for at the trade deadline if it weren't for the fact that Clarkson will probably keep getting that ice time.

It's not just the ice-time and trade deadline that concerns me.  It's also what we do with Kulemin/Bolland/Raymond in the offseason because of his bloated contract.  If Clarkson was remotely the player we were sold on (20+ goals, 40-50 points and hitting everything in sight) he's worth the money, but Troy Bodie is outperforming him for 600K.  Imagine what the Leafs could do with 4.5M in cap space to say bring back Komarov on the 4th line, re-sign Kulemin and try and bring in another 2nd pairing defensive defenseman to play with one of Gardiner/Rielly.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2014, 07:46:48 PM
Clarkson's hysterical.

Let me needlessly hit this guy when Gleason already has him and free up this other man for a potential 2 on 1.

Clarkson is really bad.

Normally with mediocre-to-bad players I just don't care about them (Jonas Hoglund was an example).  I actually overtly dislike Clarkson.

It's amazing that he doesn't get treated by the fans at the ACC the way some other players have when they didn't live up to expectations.
Aki Berg ,Larry Murphy ,Sergio Momesso etc...  Clarkson could make the list for the boo birds.

Bryan McCabe strikes me as one who was booed despite being far more useful than I can ever imagine Clarkson being.
Yes Bryan McCabe was useful but when he did mess up ,it was spectacular ...Now that I think of it Bernier is following in McCabe's foot steps in some ways.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:48:31 PM
It's not just the ice-time and trade deadline that concerns me.  It's also what we do with Kulemin/Bolland/Raymond in the offseason because of his bloated contract.  If Clarkson was remotely the player we were sold on (20+ goals, 40-50 points and hitting everything in sight) he's worth the money, but Troy Bodie is outperforming him for 600K.  Imagine what the Leafs could do with 4.5M in cap space to say bring back Komarov on the 4th line, re-sign Kulemin and try and bring in another 2nd pairing defensive defenseman to play with one of Gardiner/Rielly.

Well, like I sort of get at there the fact that Clarkson hasn't filled the role doesn't really change my mind that he was legitimately brought in here to fill a need. Bodie outperforming him isn't the same thing as Bodie really being the scoring winger with size and grit that I think the Boston series revealed the team needed so even if Clakrson did magically disappear I think the team would still need to look for that and, as we saw this off-season, that guy isn't going to come cheap no matter where he comes from.

Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 07:49:37 PM
The real shame of it, and I think LK got at it when he mentioned the first PP, is that the kind of player that Clarkson was sold as is exactly the kind of player the team needs. A gritty, physical winger who could stand in front of the net on the second PP unit and knock home ugly goals would be the one thing I'd want the team to look for at the trade deadline if it weren't for the fact that Clarkson will probably keep getting that ice time.

Interesting you should mention that since after watching a couple of videos of Clarkson's goals the last couple of seasons, a majority of them were in front of the net garbage goals or shots of the rush.

JVR parked in front of the net on one PP it would be nice to have Clarkson doing his NJ thing here in Toronto for the 2nd PP
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:50:03 PM
It's not just the ice-time and trade deadline that concerns me.  It's also what we do with Kulemin/Bolland/Raymond in the offseason because of his bloated contract.  If Clarkson was remotely the player we were sold on (20+ goals, 40-50 points and hitting everything in sight) he's worth the money, but Troy Bodie is outperforming him for 600K.  Imagine what the Leafs could do with 4.5M in cap space to say bring back Komarov on the 4th line, re-sign Kulemin and try and bring in another 2nd pairing defensive defenseman to play with one of Gardiner/Rielly.

Well, like I sort of get at there the fact that Clarkson hasn't filled the role doesn't really change my mind that he was legitimately brought in here to fill a need. Bodie outperforming him isn't the same thing as Bodie really being the scoring winger with size and grit that I think the Boston series revealed the team needed so even if Clakrson did magically disappear I think the team would still need to look for that and, as we saw this off-season, that guy isn't going to come cheap no matter where he comes from.

Oh absolutely.  But the problem is that we not only can't afford that power-forward but we are also in danger of losing other players as a result of him too.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 07:51:17 PM
Greg Millen's making a guest appearance on Columbus' broadcast during intermission?

I can't escape these idiots!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 07:52:00 PM
To step off the Clarkson discussion for a second, the Leafs actually played a pretty reasonable period and Reimer looked solid for not playing in 5 weeks.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 07:52:14 PM
Although, beating up on Clarkson aside, I think the Leafs played pretty well that period and could easily be up 2-0.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2014, 07:59:01 PM
I'm not going to say that Clarkson is a bust but I don't see him improving. I don't recall who  he's line mates were in NJ but you kind a wonder if they helped inflate he's numbers and I find he's hitting is meh.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:06:49 PM
And the Leafs come out flat in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 08:09:36 PM
Was Phil's skate not totally ON the ice there?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:17:34 PM

Shoot.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:18:04 PM
For god's sake.  1-0 and no SOG this period.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:18:24 PM
I see Reimer hasn't picked up that x-ray vision upgrade yet.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:19:45 PM
I see Reimer hasn't picked up that x-ray vision upgrade yet.

It's great when the Leafs screen their own goalie.   Good job Ranger.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 08:20:05 PM
Flat second period.  Now trailing.  Come on boys.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Strangelove on March 03, 2014, 08:22:15 PM
Defensive specialist McClement covering... nobody on that goal.  Anytime Randy wants to stop putting him on to lose defensive zone faceoffs with the second line.

Also anytime Clarkson wants to stop playing like a third or fourth line AHLer would also be great. He is stupendously bad - every single aspect of his game is just awful. It's like he's wearing blinders and playing with someone else's equipment.  But sure, send Holland down so Clarkson HAS to play on the second line. Perfect.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:22:26 PM
Well, Millen actually had point there.  Smith needs to stick with his man or at least block the shot there, not flamingo it.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Strangelove on March 03, 2014, 08:23:47 PM
That goal was 100 percent Clarkson. Game after game, he gets the puck in his own end and just gives it away without looking. Jesus.

Particularly at the end of a long scramble that is just totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:24:01 PM
Aaand Reimer loses his damn stick.  2-0
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:24:09 PM
Way to help out your goalie, guys.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Damian on March 03, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Yup, we suck dudez
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Leafs71 on March 03, 2014, 08:24:49 PM
I would love to have Foligno on my team.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:25:10 PM
Awesome job.  God I hate this team sometimes.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:26:22 PM

Well, if you don't score when you're controlling the game you're probably going to get stung when it goes the other way.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 08:26:41 PM
Yikes.  This is the Carlyle hockey we have come to love.  No energy, dead.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:27:11 PM
Yes Greg Millen.  The reason that isn't a goal is because the net was off its moorings, and not that Atkinson slid into Reimer and pushed him and the net out of the way. 
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:27:18 PM
Ranger/Gardiner pairing?  No.  Just no.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 08:28:17 PM
Leafs are being manhandled in 2nd period.  Really discouraging.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:28:28 PM
This team has fallen apart in the 2nd.  Absolutely no push-back after Columbus scored.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
Ranger/Gardiner pairing?  No.  Just no.

Why not?  So far when Ranger is on the ice the shots on goal are 9-1 in favour of the Leafs, and with Gardiner it is 10-7.  The two best D ratio's on the team tonight.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:29:03 PM
It's awkward as a goalie to be using a forward's stick, says Millen. You know, you just couldn't get analysis like that from someone who didn't play the game.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:29:13 PM
This team has fallen apart in the 2nd.  Absolutely no push-back after Columbus scored.

Aren't they one of the worst 2nd period teams?  I swear I saw that stat one game.

EDIT: Maybe it was best?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 08:29:56 PM
Clarkson is a really bad hockey player. 
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Leafs71 on March 03, 2014, 08:30:09 PM
My wiziwig feed has no sound. I'm thinking I might be the lucky one.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Damian on March 03, 2014, 08:31:13 PM
Clarkson is a really bad hockey player.

Hes really gonna need some practice to achieve that goal...
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:31:32 PM
Aren't they one of the worst 2nd period teams?  I swear I saw that stat one game.

EDIT: Maybe it was best?

One of the better. 4th most goals for, middle of the pack goals against. +14 coming into tonight.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
Ranger/Gardiner pairing?  No.  Just no.

Why not?  So far when Ranger is on the ice the shots on goal are 9-1 in favour of the Leafs, and with Gardiner it is 10-7.  The two best D ratio's on the team tonight.

What's their +/-?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:31:45 PM
Carlyle can teach defensive positioning any game now.  Has he had enough games?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:32:07 PM
How do the Leafs continue to leave guys wide open right in front of the net when they have 3 guys down low at all times in their defensive system.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 08:32:22 PM
Leafs are being manhandled in 2nd period.  Really discouraging.

Yep. This Columbus team has a ton of Canadians on it, and you can tell they like to bring it when they play in Toronto. Too bad the Leafs aren't up for the challenge tonight, at least not so far.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:32:26 PM
Ranger/Gardiner pairing?  No.  Just no.

Why not?  So far when Ranger is on the ice the shots on goal are 9-1 in favour of the Leafs, and with Gardiner it is 10-7.  The two best D ratio's on the team tonight.

What's their +/-?

I don't know, I stick to useful information.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2014, 08:33:28 PM
We went from being the hottest team before the Olympic break  ....TO THIS!..YIKES!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:33:35 PM
Carlyle can teach defensive positioning any game now.  Has he had enough games?

Nope. He clearly needs at least 2 more seasons.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:34:02 PM
Carlyle can teach defensive positioning any game now.  Has he had enough games?

Nope. He clearly needs at least 2 more seasons.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh2K5lnCAAAiNy_.jpg)

Dfence
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:35:12 PM
We went from being the hottest team before the Olympic break  ....TO THIS!..YIKES!

Well they were still giving up a ton of shots and goals, they were just riding a high SH% and outscoring their issues.  When the shots don't go in it can unravel quickly.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:35:18 PM
Ranger/Gardiner pairing?  No.  Just no.

Why not?  So far when Ranger is on the ice the shots on goal are 9-1 in favour of the Leafs, and with Gardiner it is 10-7.  The two best D ratio's on the team tonight.

What's their +/-?

I don't know, I stick to useful information.

  8)
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:35:37 PM
Carlyle really needs to teach Phaneuf better positioning there.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
WTF PHANEUF!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: azzurri63 on March 03, 2014, 08:35:57 PM
How hard would it have been for one of the D man stay in the zone and grab Reimer's stick when the puck came out or even JVR?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:36:03 PM
Dfence

That's like the definition of a passive defensive structure. Like, over the top passive. That's the exact opposite of how a team built like the Leafs should be playing.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
This was as the pass was going to Anisimov:

(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p205/CarltonTheBear/CBJTOR12934.jpg)

From watching the play develop, I'm not sure Phaneuf had any idea that Gaborik was behind him.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 08:38:03 PM
Clarkson can't skate and handle the puck at the same time, it is really remarkable that he was able to get 7 year deal.  Nonis has to be shaking his head everyday about this one.  The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:38:20 PM
Paul Ranger playing behind the offensive net while the Leafs were trying to forecheck and change lines.  Makes sense.

Also, that's the 3rd time Columbus has run into Reimer in the blue paint.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:38:56 PM
Dfence

That's like the definition of a passive defensive structure. Like, over the top passive. That's the exact opposite of how a team built like the Leafs should be playing.

They do it every. single. time.  The forwards all collapse like that.  It has to be coached.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: azzurri63 on March 03, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Keep Reilly, 2 goalies and the first line. Rest can go. Everyone else has vanished or simply stink.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:40:10 PM
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: azzurri63 on March 03, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
Paul Ranger playing behind the offensive net while the Leafs were trying to forecheck and change lines.  Makes sense.

Also, that's the 3rd time Columbus has run into Reimer in the blue paint.

What bothers me about that is nobody doing anything about it except Reimer.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:41:25 PM
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.

I really don't see what that would do outside of be the breeding ground for some really specious reasoning. Clarkson isn't the reason other players aren't playing well and while I'm open to the idea that someone else could play better than Clarkson, he's not the only problem we're seeing.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Damian on March 03, 2014, 08:41:37 PM
I wonder if Reimer is going to have to defend himself all night being run..... no one is standing up for him. No one
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:41:43 PM
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although why it would, I have no idea.

Kulemin was a much better player on the Kadri line than Clarkson.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 08:41:52 PM
Carlyle can teach defensive positioning any game now.  Has he had enough games?

Nope. He clearly needs at least 2 more seasons.

Yeah. Carlyle isn't skating well tonight at all... Let's blame the coach for the lackluster effort of the players. More yelling on the bench Randy!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 08:43:01 PM
Carlyle can teach defensive positioning any game now.  Has he had enough games?

Nope. He clearly needs at least 2 more seasons.

Yeah. Carlyle isn't skating well tonight at all... Let's blame the coach for the lackluster effort of the players. More yelling on the bench Randy!

What does skating well have to do with them being out of position defensively?  Or have they "not been skating" all season long?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:43:04 PM
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.

I really don't see what that would do outside of be the breeding ground for some really specious reasoning. Clarkson isn't the reason other players aren't playing well and while I'm open to the idea that someone else could play better than Clarkson, he's not the only problem we're seeing.

His ice-time doesn't really indicate it tonight, but I think there is an argument that Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin was playing really well until Clarkson came back and got put back on Kadri's line.  Kadri-Clarkson have struggled every time they are paired together.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:43:40 PM
Yeah. Carlyle isn't skating well tonight at all... Let's blame the coach for the lackluster effort of the players. More yelling on the bench Randy!

I think the bigger problem is his lack of professionalism. I mean, the fact that the Leafs carried the play in the first period can't be attributed to the coaching so Carlyle clearly arrived for the game in the first intermission.

Got to be at work on time Randy.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
His ice-time doesn't really indicate it tonight, but I think there is an argument that Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin was playing really well until Clarkson came back and got put back on Kadri's line.  Kadri-Clarkson have struggled every time they are paired together.

Well, you can fix that by reuniting the line without benching Clarkson.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: freer on March 03, 2014, 08:45:55 PM
Well this will be the last game we see Reimer Gardiner and Franson, lets hope they can come back and win for Reim's
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.

I really don't see what that would do outside of be the breeding ground for some really specious reasoning. Clarkson isn't the reason other players aren't playing well and while I'm open to the idea that someone else could play better than Clarkson, he's not the only problem we're seeing.

How is it specious reasoning to take somebody who sucks out of the lineup?  And frankly he's played farther below expectations than any other player, for longer than any other.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:46:10 PM
Hope_Smoke: Doesn’t help that the Leafs dressed only 11 forwards and haven’t used them all: Kulemin 7:25, McClement 6:29, Bodie 5:39 & Smith 4:15.

Hope_Smoke: That’s bad ice time distribution. Basically playing only 6 forwards tonight. Kessel and JVR have already played over 15 mins each through 2
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
His ice-time doesn't really indicate it tonight, but I think there is an argument that Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin was playing really well until Clarkson came back and got put back on Kadri's line.  Kadri-Clarkson have struggled every time they are paired together.

Well, you can fix that by reuniting the line without benching Clarkson.

I agree.  And I don't understand why Clarkson is being handed minutes while doing nothing.  His big contribution tonight is a couple of turnovers and a -2.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:48:13 PM
I wonder if Reimer is going to have to defend himself all night being run..... no one is standing up for him. No one

"This is why you CANNOT you CANNOT play without tough guys!  You people out there who don't know anything about the game well I know what's really going on and that's why you get that stuff there!"
-- D.S. Cherry, March 8, 2015
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Strangelove on March 03, 2014, 08:48:36 PM
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.

I really don't see what that would do outside of be the breeding ground for some really specious reasoning. Clarkson isn't the reason other players aren't playing well and while I'm open to the idea that someone else could play better than Clarkson, he's not the only problem we're seeing.

He said that the Leafs are better without Clarkson in the line-up, not that Clarkson is the only problem.
 That said, I think Clarkson is a bigger problem than some may think. He is an absolute chemistry-killer, without any peripheral awareness or sense of where his linemates are headed. He doesn't hit, he doesn't play defence, and he sure as hell doesn't score. Having a bad guy on your wing really can anchor the line, and taking him out of there would have a genuinely positive effect.

I don't want to crunch the numbers, but I'd love to see the second line's production with an without him there.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:48:53 PM
How is it specious reasoning to take somebody who sucks out of the lineup?  And frankly he's played farther below expectations than any other player, for longer than any other.

I'm saying that if you take Clarkson out of the line-up and the Leafs play a couple games then the idea that Clarkson is somehow making the entire team worse, on that basis, would take hold a little too easily. Like I said, I have no problem benching Clarkson on the basis of Ashton or Holland bringing more to the table than he does right now but not on the "maybe it'll get the rest of the team going" one.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:49:17 PM
Yeah. Carlyle isn't skating well tonight at all... Let's blame the coach for the lackluster effort of the players. More yelling on the bench Randy!

So, the fact that the team has basically played the same way for all 63 games this season and that every line is making the same type of mistakes and playing the same style has nothing to do with the coach? Good to know. This isn't an issue people only started raising tonight. This is something we've been discussing all season.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: 13th fan on March 03, 2014, 08:50:00 PM
I wonder if Reimer is going to have to defend himself all night being run..... no one is standing up for him. No one

"This is why you CANNOT you CANNOT play without tough guys!  You people out there who don't know anything about the game well I know what's really going on and that's why you get that stuff there!"
-- D.S. Cherry, March 8, 2015
   ;D
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: barney_rebel on March 03, 2014, 08:51:21 PM
We stink btw
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: mc on March 03, 2014, 08:51:48 PM
murder she wrote.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 08:52:25 PM
2015??  ;)

So WTH is Carlyle saying in this intermission....

This team is either "on" or really stink. No middle.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Jalili on March 03, 2014, 08:53:09 PM
Not particularly surprised at the outcome. The Jackets are a deeper team and the Leafs have little going on for them right now, top line aside.

So the source of both of goals was from CBJ's 3rd and 4th lines, which got me thinking. How often do we ever see that from the Leafs?

Last season we got a small taste of what a 4 line team looked like, but this year's forwards are nowhere near the collective unit that last year's group was.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
How is it specious reasoning to take somebody who sucks out of the lineup?  And frankly he's played farther below expectations than any other player, for longer than any other.

I'm saying that if you take Clarkson out of the line-up and the Leafs play a couple games then the idea that Clarkson is somehow making the entire team worse, on that basis, would take hold a little too easily. Like I said, I have no problem benching Clarkson on the basis of Ashton or Holland bringing more to the table than he does right now but not on the "maybe it'll get the rest of the team going" one.

I was saying maybe it would get Clarkson going.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:54:44 PM
I was saying maybe it would get Clarkson going.

I misread that. Apologies.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 08:56:14 PM
I was saying maybe it would get Clarkson going.

I misread that. Apologies.

No worries.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 08:56:20 PM
I can't see Nonis moving Clarkson until at least for another season maybe two so we're hooped for that long at
least with this contract.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:57:23 PM
I was saying maybe it would get Clarkson going.

I misread that. Apologies.

Honestly though.  With the number of games Clarkson missed due to suspension, if he needs to be benched to show up and give an effort, something is grossly wrong.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 03, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
So, so far tonight the Leafs have:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/facepalms%20and%20reactions/poopdthebed.jpg)   ?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 08:58:00 PM
Phaneuf's skating is becoming a legitimate problem.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
Not sure why Carlyle isn't moving Smith up here and going with Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin and Raymond-Smith-Clarkson. We all know Kulemin is more effective on the 2nd line, and Smith's best stretch of the season came with Clarkson on his wing.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 03, 2014, 08:59:00 PM
So, so far tonight the Leafs have:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/facepalms%20and%20reactions/poopdthebed.jpg)   ?

Unintentionally apt.

Unintentional? Oh, I meant it.......
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Damian on March 03, 2014, 08:59:08 PM
I can't see Nonis moving Clarkson until at least for another season maybe two so we're hooped for that long at
least with this contract.

The only way Nonis moves Clarkson is in the trunk of his Cadillac lol  ;D
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 08:59:12 PM
Phaneuf's skating is becoming a legitimate problem.

I wonder if he took things a tad too easy during the Olympic break. I missed the Islanders game, but tonight and Saturday night have probably been two of the worst games I've seen him play consecutively.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
Phaneuf is really slow. 
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: moon111 on March 03, 2014, 08:59:26 PM
I have no problem firing Nonis and Randy Carlyle over the David Clarkson mistake.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 08:59:43 PM
Bluejackets continue to get into the middle part of the ice for ease. Such poor coverage.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:00:20 PM

Clarkson just got knocked down by the referee. Dude, we have enough material.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 09:00:42 PM
Oh good a McClement sighting in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:00:57 PM
All 5 guys down low and the part like the Red Sea to let Columbus walk into the slot.  I feel like I should have paid to see this game.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:01:02 PM
Clarkson checked by the ref, lands right on his back.  Funny stuff. 
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
If Bozak could finish...

1st line is the only one playing with any urgency.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 09:03:33 PM
Nobody's even trying on this shift.
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:04:53 PM
Kessel still looks awesome.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 09:05:23 PM
Columbus clearly has something on the Toronto this year. They're outscoring the Leafs 13-2 through 8+ periods.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 09:05:58 PM
Yeah. Carlyle isn't skating well tonight at all... Let's blame the coach for the lackluster effort of the players. More yelling on the bench Randy!

So, the fact that the team has basically played the same way for all 63 games this season and that every line is making the same type of mistakes and playing the same style has nothing to do with the coach? Good to know. This isn't an issue people only started raising tonight. This is something we've been discussing all season.

Like Nik just said, they played well enough in the 1st period, and have played well for many stretches this season. It's inconsistency. I don't agree with a lot of Carlyle's decisions, but I don't blame him for individuals having brain farts.  Some of these pop up over and over again with the same players (ie Franson) Others are from rookies learning the game. And effort, or lack of it, lays squarely on the players shoulders. Period.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: cupquest on March 03, 2014, 09:08:01 PM
I can't see Nonis moving Clarkson until at least for another season maybe two so we're hooped for that long at
least with this contract.

The only way Nonis moves Clarkson is in the trunk of his Cadillac lol  ;D

That's actually a really good idea
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 09:08:16 PM
Not sure why Carlyle isn't moving Smith up here and going with Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin and Raymond-Smith-Clarkson. We all know Kulemin is more effective on the 2nd line, and Smith's best stretch of the season came with Clarkson on his wing.

I was going to post the EXACT same thing but have been reading the last 4 pages as I have been away since the 1st Blue Jacket goal. 

I also like Raymond with Clarkson if both players are both in the lineup.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:08:28 PM
Phaneuf's skating is becoming a legitimate problem.

I wonder if he took things a tad too easy during the Olympic break. I missed the Islanders game, but tonight and Saturday night have probably been two of the worst games I've seen him play consecutively.

I mean, if he's not effectively defensively he's really not bringing anything to the table. A night like tonight where he's genuinely bad and it's a real issue for the team.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: gunnar36 on March 03, 2014, 09:12:01 PM
Clarkson checked by the ref, lands right on his back.  Funny stuff.

Clarkson is so weak and awkward on his skates for a 'power forward'
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Clarkson fell. Everybody drink!
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:12:05 PM
Really need some secondary scoring.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 09:13:39 PM
Like Nik just said, they played well enough in the 1st period, and have played well for many stretches this season. It's inconsistency. I don't agree with a lot of Carlyle's decisions, but I don't blame him for individuals having brain farts.  Some of these pop up over and over with the same players (ie Franson) Others are from rookies learning the game. And effort, or lack of it, is squarely on the players shoulders. Period.

But, we're not just talking about individual brain farts. We're talking team-wide issues. There's absolutely no reason all 5 skaters should be within 5 feet of their own net so frequently. There are constant issues with breakouts, zone entries, puck support, etc. None of these have anything to do with effort. As for the stretches of overall good play, they've been short and isolated. Even when the Leafs were winning, they were playing poorly defensively. The fact that the puck was going in for them really helped mask that for a lot of people. Playing well for one period of the game doesn't change a thing. In fact, that it's so easy for other teams to turn the table on the Leafs after a good period on such a regular basis is a coaching issue. The Leafs system is way too easy to take advantage of when the top line isn't producing.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:13:41 PM
You can't put Clarkson on the ice, he can't skate and he is out of position.  Give them a chance Randy. 
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: freer on March 03, 2014, 09:14:09 PM
Clarkson fell. Everybody drink!

It could not be any worse then Kadri. I hope they trade him
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:14:55 PM
No idea what Clarkson has done to deserve 2nd line time.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 03, 2014, 09:15:27 PM
the Multiple Clarkson Reaction Bear(s):

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/facepalms%20and%20reactions/multibearfacepalm_zps8536e6e3.jpg)
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:15:35 PM

Clarkson fell. Everybody drink!

It could not be any worse then Kadri. I hope they trade him

It couldn't be any worse than the player heavily outscoring Clarkson at a far greater value? Right.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:16:32 PM
Kadri gets a wide open chance and he muffs it.  Brutal.  They can't even get a shot on net on a wide open chance.  Lots of puck fumbling.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 09:17:06 PM
Phaneuf's skating is becoming a legitimate problem.

I wonder if he took things a tad too easy during the Olympic break. I missed the Islanders game, but tonight and Saturday night have probably been two of the worst games I've seen him play consecutively.

I mean, if he's not effectively defensively he's really not bringing anything to the table. A night like tonight where he's genuinely bad and it's a real issue for the team.

This team is sorely lacking legitimate defensive defensemen. I really hope Nonis can address this problem before the team slides completely out of a playoff spot. (Either through trade on Wednesday or promotion from the farm)
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:17:31 PM
It seems like Clarkson is being double shifted.  We are being trolled.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Jalili on March 03, 2014, 09:17:41 PM
It's funny, because Clarkson is a terrible fit with Kadri/Lupul while Kulemin actually complements the two really well.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 09:17:49 PM

Clarkson fell. Everybody drink!

It could not be any worse then Kadri. I hope they trade him

It couldn't be any worse than the player heavily outscoring Clarkson at a far greater value? Right.

Roughly half the money, four times the production. But, he falls sometimes. Trade the bum.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:18:35 PM
Who knew that shots into the chest of the goalie from a bad angle don't create sustained scoring opportunities.  If you are going to take those low quality shots, take them at the pads to try and create rebounds.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:19:24 PM
But, we're not just talking about individual brain farts. We're talking team-wide issues. There's absolutely no reason all 5 skaters should be within 5 feet of their own net so frequently. There are constant issues with breakouts, zone entries, puck support, etc. None of these have anything to do with effort. As for the stretches of overall good play, they've been short and isolated. Even when the Leafs were winning, they were playing poorly defensively. The fact that the puck was going in for them really helped mask that for a lot of people. Playing well for one period of the game doesn't change a thing. In fact, that it's so easy for other teams to turn the table on the Leafs after a good period on such a regular basis is a coaching issue. The Leafs system is way too easy to take advantage of when the top line isn't producing.

I think the thing though is that it's not an either/or thing. There are things I don't like about Carlyle's coaching but just now Millen said, correctly, that the Leafs aren't winning any individual battles and, I mean, there's just nothing that Carlyle can do about that. Like it or not, that's a huge part of why this team stumbles for stretches. The difference between what the Kessel line did in the 1st and since? That's not because they were coached differently or used differently.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:19:39 PM
My god.  This team isn't going to make the playoffs.  All these road games coming up too, this could get ugly.  This team couldn't be coached any worse, they are never in defensive position.  They play drop in hockey.
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:22:20 PM
Why is Clarkson out so much? Unreal.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:22:31 PM
But, we're not just talking about individual brain farts. We're talking team-wide issues. There's absolutely no reason all 5 skaters should be within 5 feet of their own net so frequently. There are constant issues with breakouts, zone entries, puck support, etc. None of these have anything to do with effort. As for the stretches of overall good play, they've been short and isolated. Even when the Leafs were winning, they were playing poorly defensively. The fact that the puck was going in for them really helped mask that for a lot of people. Playing well for one period of the game doesn't change a thing. In fact, that it's so easy for other teams to turn the table on the Leafs after a good period on such a regular basis is a coaching issue. The Leafs system is way too easy to take advantage of when the top line isn't producing.

I think the thing though is that it's not an either/or thing. There are things I don't like about Carlyle's coaching but just now Millen said, correctly, that the Leafs aren't winning any individual battles and, I mean, there's just nothing that Carlyle can do about that. Like it or not, that's a huge part of why this team stumbles for stretches. The difference between what the Kessel line did in the 1st and since? That's not because they were coached differently or used differently.

It's hard to argue with that.  The only thing I can counter with is a lack of accountability?  I mean, if the team is continually not working hard, eventually that just becomes an acceptable part of the team culture.  If Phaneuf isn't going to stand up in the dressing room and do something about it, then the coach should.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 09:23:49 PM
Like Nik just said, they played well enough in the 1st period, and have played well for many stretches this season. It's inconsistency. I don't agree with a lot of Carlyle's decisions, but I don't blame him for individuals having brain farts.  Some of these pop up over and over with the same players (ie Franson) Others are from rookies learning the game. And effort, or lack of it, is squarely on the players shoulders. Period.

But, we're not just talking about individual brain farts. We're talking team-wide issues. There's absolutely no reason all 5 skaters should be within 5 feet of their own net so frequently. There are constant issues with breakouts, zone entries, puck support, etc. None of these have anything to do with effort. As for the stretches of overall good play, they've been short and isolated. Even when the Leafs were winning, they were playing poorly defensively. The fact that the puck was going in for them really helped mask that for a lot of people. Playing well for one period of the game doesn't change a thing. In fact, that it's so easy for other teams to turn the table on the Leafs after a good period on such a regular basis is a coaching issue. The Leafs system is way too easy to take advantage of when the top line isn't producing.

You've just isolated their number one problem here. The core of this teams defense is either too inexperienced, or too offensive minded.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: azzurri63 on March 03, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
Like Nik just said, they played well enough in the 1st period, and have played well for many stretches this season. It's inconsistency. I don't agree with a lot of Carlyle's decisions, but I don't blame him for individuals having brain farts.  Some of these pop up over and over with the same players (ie Franson) Others are from rookies learning the game. And effort, or lack of it, is squarely on the players shoulders. Period.

But, we're not just talking about individual brain farts. We're talking team-wide issues. There's absolutely no reason all 5 skaters should be within 5 feet of their own net so frequently. There are constant issues with breakouts, zone entries, puck support, etc. None of these have anything to do with effort. As for the stretches of overall good play, they've been short and isolated. Even when the Leafs were winning, they were playing poorly defensively. The fact that the puck was going in for them really helped mask that for a lot of people. Playing well for one period of the game doesn't change a thing. In fact, that it's so easy for other teams to turn the table on the Leafs after a good period on such a regular basis is a coaching issue. The Leafs system is way too easy to take advantage of when the top line isn't producing.

Been harping about this crap for more than just this season. Anyone who thinks this team has moved forward since the Bruin collapse is brain dead. Leafs management hasn't dealt with anything whether it's the players or Carlyle something needed to be done. Their play has been like this for 2 seasons now under Carlyle. Everyone thinks we're going to wake up one day and these guys are going learn how to play defensively.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 09:24:43 PM
I think the thing though is that it's not an either/or thing. There are things I don't like about Carlyle's coaching but just now Millen said, correctly, that the Leafs aren't winning any individual battles and, I mean, there's just nothing that Carlyle can do about that. Like it or not, that's a huge part of why this team stumbles for stretches. The difference between what the Kessel line did in the 1st and since? That's not because they were coached differently or used differently.

Sure, there are other issues outside of Carlyle, but, I also wouldn't be surprised if a number of them improved with a different system or a different coaching staff. Part of the issue with puck battles comes from positioning. If the players are deployed differently, they'll get to more pucks first, which means puck battles become less of an issue (and the team would at least appear to win more of them). It's obviously not going to magically improve everything, but, incremental improvements could go a long way. As for the Kessel line . . . outside of not being able to put the puck in the net, they've been pretty good most of the night and have created almost all of the Leafs scoring chances. I have no issues with them. They can't do it all, though, and they're all too frequently being relied on to do just that.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:25:03 PM
Two less than stellar games to start the post-Olympic stretch.  Playing at home and getting outshot 24-12 in the 2nd and 3rd periods.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 09:25:11 PM
Clarkson fell. Everybody drink!

You must be joking!  :) everyone here would be gooned by the 10 min mark of the first period....
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 09:25:31 PM
Kind of flukey but I'll take it.
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:25:41 PM
Meanwhile the Jackets roll 4 lines nicely.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 09:26:01 PM
Finally
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 09:26:50 PM
Alright just play Kessel for the rest of the game and it'll be winnable.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:26:55 PM
Big goal.  The Leafs have been sleepwalking since the 1st so they better have something in their legs for the final 4 minutes of the 3rd.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 03, 2014, 09:27:14 PM
yay.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v189/mccabebabe/bears/RaymondBear_zps9c58109e.jpg)


though at this point in the game, it's a bfd?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 09:27:28 PM
You've just isolated their number one problem here. The core of this teams defense is either too inexperienced, or too offensive minded.

Defence is, and always has been, a team thing, not a defenceman thing. The biggest defensive issue with the team is the system they play, not the guys on the blue line who are part of it. Adding a defensive defenceman or a more experienced player or two isn't going to have a material impact on that. They're not going to suddenly start playing a different system than the one their coach has been deploying them in all season.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 09:27:34 PM
WHY WASN'T THE KESSEL LINE OUT AFTER THAT GOAL??????
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:28:11 PM
Phaneuf has been abysmal in this game.
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:28:25 PM
Gotta put Clarkson out after the goal of course.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lamajama on March 03, 2014, 09:29:43 PM
You've just isolated their number one problem here. The core of this teams defense is either too inexperienced, or too offensive minded.

Defence is, and always has been, a team thing, not a defenceman thing. The biggest defensive issue with the team is the system they play, not the guys on the blue line who are part of it. Adding a defensive defenceman or a more experienced player or two isn't going to have a material impact on that. They're not going to suddenly start playing a different system than the one their coach has been deploying them in all season.

X100. Great comment.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:29:54 PM
Bozak can't finish.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 09:31:24 PM
Good.  We deserved to lose.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: lc9 on March 03, 2014, 09:31:42 PM
No patience.  Not one guy understands hesitation, fire right into the shins every time. 

This team is hard to watch.  Clarkson, 7 years.  Brutal Nonis, brutal.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: mc on March 03, 2014, 09:32:16 PM
piss poor effort. complete no show for most of the game.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
Well, at least Reimer was pretty good.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 03, 2014, 09:32:52 PM
Gotta put Clarkson out after the goal of course.

Exactly.  I am a pretty laid back guy but that was frustrating coaching.  Absolutely idiotic use of assets.  As usual.
Title: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 03, 2014, 09:33:00 PM
1st line showed up. Gardiner I thought played well. And Reimer. The rest brutal.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: mc on March 03, 2014, 09:33:39 PM
Good.  We deserved to lose.

Yup. A tie there would have further masked all the glaring flaws this team has.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:33:53 PM
As for the Kessel line . . . outside of not being able to put the puck in the net, they've been pretty good most of the night and have created almost all of the Leafs scoring chances. I have no issues with them. They can't do it all, though, and they're all too frequently being relied on to do just that.

My point with them wasn't that I have an issue with them, just that they, like the rest of the team, have been less effective in the 2nd and 3rd than they were in the 1st and the difference there can't be attributed to anything other than themselves. Have they still been good on balance? Yes, but part of there being a back and forth as opposed to being hemmed in for 20 minutes is having them take a shift to the Blue Jackets and they didn't do that after the first. Again, that's not on Carlyle.

Positioning is an element of coaching but it's also an attribute of a player's game and they struggle with that because they're not a very good collection of defensive players. Carlyle might exacerbate that but he just can't do anything about guys forgetting who they're covering.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Stronger Than All on March 03, 2014, 09:34:00 PM
post-olympic march out of the playoffs continues
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:34:25 PM
2 points out of 6 coming off the break and the schedule is about to get tough. 
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:34:44 PM
Well, at least Reimer was pretty good.

It's a shame that this lousy effort by the team might mask that, really, Reimer should be getting more of a look down the stretch.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
I get the point that plugging in a new defensive defenseman into a flawed system won't fix the defense.  But I think Nonis will feel compelled to add somebody new to the blueline.  It'll probably end up being a move like O'Byrne though.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:38:31 PM
It's hard to argue with that.  The only thing I can counter with is a lack of accountability?  I mean, if the team is continually not working hard, eventually that just becomes an acceptable part of the team culture.  If Phaneuf isn't going to stand up in the dressing room and do something about it, then the coach should.

Short of being a convenient go-to buzzword, I'm not sure what "accountability" ultimately means. Yelling at them? I'm sure Carlyle has done that ad nauseum. Benching them? Who? I don't know what you do really.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 09:39:21 PM
You've just isolated their number one problem here. The core of this teams defense is either too inexperienced, or too offensive minded.

Defence is, and always has been, a team thing, not a defenceman thing. The biggest defensive issue with the team is the system they play, not the guys on the blue line who are part of it. Adding a defensive defenceman or a more experienced player or two isn't going to have a material impact on that. They're not going to suddenly start playing a different system than the one their coach has been deploying them in all season.

Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: L K on March 03, 2014, 09:41:01 PM
It's hard to argue with that.  The only thing I can counter with is a lack of accountability?  I mean, if the team is continually not working hard, eventually that just becomes an acceptable part of the team culture.  If Phaneuf isn't going to stand up in the dressing room and do something about it, then the coach should.

Short of being a convenient go-to buzzword, I'm not sure what "accountability" ultimately means. Yelling at them? I'm sure Carlyle has done that ad nauseum. Benching them? Who? I don't know what you do really.

I don't really know either.  But something has to happen.  This team is going to get destroyed in the playoffs at this point if they are lucky enough to hold on to a playoff spot.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on March 03, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Well, at least Reimer was pretty good.

It's a shame that this lousy effort by the team might mask that, really, Reimer should be getting more of a look down the stretch.

He ought to get some starts on this next stretch.  I'd give one of all remaining B2Bs plus another start on the 5-game trip.  More if Bernier falters and he picks it up.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:46:57 PM
Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Torino doesn't really help that argument. It's a combination.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 09:51:35 PM
Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Torino doesn't really help that argument. It's a combination.

That's why I said 'mostly'. But I also think the Torino team was defensively weaker as a unit. I mean, Bryan McCabe made that team.... ;)
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 09:57:16 PM
That's why I said 'mostly'. But I also think the Torino team was defensively weaker as a unit. I mean, Bryan McCabe made that team.... ;)

Who I'd take defensively over PK Subban. It was a really good defensive unit.

Anyways, I think the point remains that it's a combination and I think it's fair to say that Carlyle is doing some things defensively that aren't helping the team. I absolutely agree that he doesn't have much to work with but he's still a part of the problem.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 10:01:24 PM
That's why I said 'mostly'. But I also think the Torino team was defensively weaker as a unit. I mean, Bryan McCabe made that team.... ;)

Who I'd take defensively over PK Subban. It was a really good defensive unit.

Anyways, I think the point remains that it's a combination and I think it's fair to say that Carlyle is doing some things defensively that aren't helping the team. I absolutely agree that he doesn't have much to work with but he's still a part of the problem.

Fair enough. I'm just not buying into the argument that coaching is the achilles heel of this team.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 10:01:45 PM
Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.

Yes. The Leafs aren't Team Canada. We all know that. But, at the same time, if you don't believe that coaching had influence on the outcome of the Olympics, then I don't know what to say to you.

A good coach can make a team look much better defensively than the talent on the roster would imply that they would be. While the Leafs may not be brimming with defensive superstars, they are, as a group, talented enough as players to be a reasonable defensive group if they're deployed probably and taught a system that maximizes their strength. Right now, neither of those things are happening.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 10:06:20 PM
Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.

Yes. The Leafs aren't Team Canada. We all know that. But, at the same time, if you don't believe that coaching had influence on the outcome of the Olympics, then I don't know what to say to you.

A good coach can make a team look much better defensively than the talent on the roster would imply that they would be. While the Leafs may not be brimming with defensive superstars, they are, as a group, talented enough as players to be a reasonable defensive group if they're deployed probably and taught a system that maximizes their strength. Right now, neither of those things are happening.

Unless you're talking about playing a trap game, I don't agree. This team has too many offense-first players. We've been through this, you and me, many times. You know where I stand on this. I'd trade 3-4 offense-first players on this team for two-way guys (add a few defensive D-men), and we get that much closer to the team you think we should be seeing now. That's the only way it happens.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 10:16:53 PM
Unless you're talking about playing a trap game, I don't agree. This team has too many offense-first players. We've been through this, you and me, many times. You know where I stand on this. I'd trade 3-4 offense-first players on this team for two-way guys (add a few defensive D-men), and we get that much closer to the team you think we should be seeing now. That's the only way it happens.

All trading offensive players for defensive players is going to do to this team is turn them from a team that gets inconsistent secondary scoring to a team that gets no secondary scoring. Without changing the way they play defence, they're not going to improve defensively. The type of talent on the roster isn't going to matter until that happens.

As for the trap, I'm actually advocating quite the opposite. The Leafs are already playing a very passive defensive system, like the trap is. It's not working for them at all. What I'm saying is they should be playing a much more aggressive defensive system - one that takes away time and space from their opponents and forces them to make mistakes, so they can take advantage of their speed and skill.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 10:27:50 PM
Unless you're talking about playing a trap game, I don't agree. This team has too many offense-first players. We've been through this, you and me, many times. You know where I stand on this. I'd trade 3-4 offense-first players on this team for two-way guys (add a few defensive D-men), and we get that much closer to the team you think we should be seeing now. That's the only way it happens.

All trading offensive players for defensive players is going to do to this team is turn them from a team that gets inconsistent secondary scoring to a team that gets no secondary scoring. Without changing the way they play defence, they're not going to improve defensively. The type of talent on the roster isn't going to matter until that happens.

No. All it will do is help keep the puck in the offensive zone more (and on Kessel and JVRs sticks), keep shots on net and goals-against down, improve the goaltenders stats, and ultimately put more W's up on the board. Oh... and improve the coaches record.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 10:33:33 PM

Although with all that said I think it's worth mentioning that the team allowed 33 shots and only 2 goals and we're talking about tonight as a failure of the defence.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: RedLeaf on March 03, 2014, 10:39:16 PM

Although with all that said I think it's worth mentioning that the team allowed 33 shots and only 2 goals and we're talking about tonight as a failure of the defence.

But...failure of defence is the only thing Busta and I agree on  ;)

It's how to fix it that gets us riled.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Bonsixx on March 04, 2014, 01:44:14 AM
This game could've been a two or three goal lead in the first period. They didn't play great, but they weren't bad. That was, I believe, what they refer to as "puck luck."

Still, insanely sloppy play defensively. Turnovers are ridiculous and I'm not sure how they're going to fix it.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: losveratos on March 04, 2014, 02:52:08 AM
The only good thing that happened tonight was not letting in an empty net goal. So... yep. Pretty stoked about that.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: TML fan on March 04, 2014, 02:57:36 AM
Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.

Yes. The Leafs aren't Team Canada. We all know that. But, at the same time, if you don't believe that coaching had influence on the outcome of the Olympics, then I don't know what to say to you.

A good coach can make a team look much better defensively than the talent on the roster would imply that they would be. While the Leafs may not be brimming with defensive superstars, they are, as a group, talented enough as players to be a reasonable defensive group if they're deployed probably and taught a system that maximizes their strength. Right now, neither of those things are happening.

Unless you're talking about playing a trap game, I don't agree. This team has too many offense-first players. We've been through this, you and me, many times. You know where I stand on this. I'd trade 3-4 offense-first players on this team for two-way guys (add a few defensive D-men), and we get that much closer to the team you think we should be seeing now. That's the only way it happens.

If the team has so many offence first players, and plays a defence first system, how is that not the coach's problem? Yeah, you can trade for a bunch of better defensive players, but wouldn't it be simpler to just get a coach who will actually try to maximize the potential of the team he has, instead of force-feeding them bullcrap hockey because he can't adapt his coaching style?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 04, 2014, 07:35:01 AM
This game could've been a two or three goal lead in the first period. They didn't play great, but they weren't bad. That was, I believe, what they refer to as "puck luck."

Still, insanely sloppy play defensively. Turnovers are ridiculous and I'm not sure how they're going to fix it.

I'm not sure how anyone can say they didn't play bad when they only had 5 shots in the 2nd period and went the first 17 minutes of the 3rd only registering another hand full. It was sickening to watch.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Bullfrog on March 04, 2014, 08:16:38 AM
Agreed. I actually puked on my shoes.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 04, 2014, 10:07:49 AM
That was the booze.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 10:13:12 AM
You've just isolated their number one problem here. The core of this teams defense is either too inexperienced, or too offensive minded.

Defence is, and always has been, a team thing, not a defenceman thing. The biggest defensive issue with the team is the system they play, not the guys on the blue line who are part of it. Adding a defensive defenceman or a more experienced player or two isn't going to have a material impact on that. They're not going to suddenly start playing a different system than the one their coach has been deploying them in all season.

Completely agree with the bolded part. But, team defence comes mostly from the players who can play that way, not what the coach shows them. Team Canada could have had a monkey coaching at the Olympics and they still would have won the gold, based almost entirely on their defensive play. That was the players, not the coaching.

Edit: show me a team full of good two way players and I'll show you a good coach. That seldom works the other way around.

Then honestly, what's the point of having a coach right?  Just put anyone back there until you can assemble the best possible team because if a coach can't teach a team to play better defense, and if they can't teach them to score more, what are they doing besides collecting a paycheque?
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 04, 2014, 03:39:32 PM
Last night was the first time in a long time that I've actually been angry at the team.

It's one thing to hang Reimer out to dry with their play, it's another to let the opposing team abuse your goalie without consequences. Reimer is a model pro and I counted 3 times he was seriously hit and at least 6 total, without anyone protecting him.

Also the whole not really showing up for 50 minutes and then pouring it on, I mean play like that or even 80% of that effort for even half the game and it should have been an easy victory.

I'd have skated them till they puked after the game, totally unacceptable and it speak to serious character flaws in the makeup of this team.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: Rebel_1812 on March 04, 2014, 10:02:56 PM
they have been trying all year to play better defensively and it isn't working.  Maybe they should try the opposite and play all offensive run and gun style.  Try to score so many goals that they will win despite poor defense.
Title: Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
Post by: TML fan on March 05, 2014, 12:25:56 AM
they have been trying all year to play better defensively and it isn't working.  Maybe they should try the opposite and play all offensive run and gun style.  Try to score so many goals that they will win despite poor defense.

Bingo