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Title: Trade Deadline
Post by: slapshot on March 25, 2013, 07:04:21 PM
Where do the Leafs need the most help? What deals make the most sense? Who would you target if you were Nonis?

Goaltending potentially available. Who is most attractive, Luongo, Kiprusoff or Miller? Or none of them?

Would one of the Avalanche centres, Statsny, Reilly or Duschene be an upgrade? What about Steve Weiss?

Are there any d-men out there that are worth aiming for?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 25, 2013, 11:26:49 PM
Goaltending potentially available. Who is most attractive, Luongo, Kiprusoff or Miller? Or none of them?

Probably none. Kiprusoff looks like he might just be done. Luongo's contract is still extremely unappealing and, while Miller is good, his attitude sucks and the numbers he usually puts up aren't much better than the numbers Reimer and Scrivens have put up this season.

Would one of the Avalanche centres, Statsny, Reilly or Duschene be an upgrade? What about Steve Weiss?

Weiss is out for the season, Stastny is hurt as well. O'Reilly can't be traded until next February 28th and Duchene isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on March 26, 2013, 07:18:20 AM
Prices are to high, so all they should do is go with what they have.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Andy on March 26, 2013, 07:51:25 AM
Wonder if it would be possible to pry Sutter out of Pittsburgh?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 26, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
Goaltending potentially available. Who is most attractive, Luongo, Kiprusoff or Miller? Or none of them?

Probably none. Kiprusoff looks like he might just be done. Luongo's contract is still extremely unappealing and, while Miller is good, his attitude sucks and the numbers he usually puts up aren't much better than the numbers Reimer and Scrivens have put up this season.

Would one of the Avalanche centres, Statsny, Reilly or Duschene be an upgrade? What about Steve Weiss?

Weiss is out for the season, Stastny is hurt as well. O'Reilly can't be traded until next February 28th and Duchene isn't going anywhere.

I'm glad you typed all that out...

Moving along, I can't figure out what the best plan of attack would be for the Leafs this year. They look to be a playoff team, however, I'm not convinced they are going to go very deep into said playoffs, if they make them.

It might be best to stick to smaller deals for depth, unless an incredible deal comes our way and I'm not holding my breath on that one.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on March 26, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Wonder if it would be possible to pry Sutter out of Pittsburgh?

I don't think there is any possible chance.  He's arguably outperforming Jordan Stall, gives them a defensive / shutdown presence and Pittsburgh is loading up for a long playoff run.  They're not looking to sell off assets and frankly Sutter is exactly the type of player a team needs for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on March 26, 2013, 09:42:13 AM
If I'm Nonis, I stay status quo.  I don't think adding a Douglas Murray for multiple picks makes any sense.  Actually, if the marketplace is that hot, perhaps they should look to move MacArthur, though a formal conclusion would be dependent on what would be offered in return.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 26, 2013, 09:42:24 AM
Weiss is out for the season, Stastny is hurt as well. O'Reilly can't be traded until next February 28th and Duchene isn't going anywhere.

Stastny's injury is a minor one though. I suspect of the four, he's the one they'd be willing to part with. I'd be interested in him for sure; he's a good playmaker and is very good on faceoffs. He's not quite the no.1 centre the team really needs, but he's definitely an upgrade on Bozak.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Andy on March 26, 2013, 09:44:42 AM
Wonder if it would be possible to pry Sutter out of Pittsburgh?

I don't think there is any possible chance.  He's arguably outperforming Jordan Stall, gives them a defensive / shutdown presence and Pittsburgh is loading up for a long playoff run.  They're not looking to sell off assets and frankly Sutter is exactly the type of player a team needs for the playoffs.

I guess you're right I just figured that wih the acqusition of Morrow, interest in Iginla, and Malkin/Crosby as the top two centres that they might use Sutter to upgrade on defence and in goal. Not that the Leafs have much to offer in the latter department, but still..
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 26, 2013, 10:01:26 AM
As good as Reimer has looked the last two games (and he has), I'd still be in the market for a veteran goaltender. Maybe its just me, but Reimer always looks like he's one save or play away from another injury. I'm convinced Scrivens can't get the job done, especially come playoff time. If the Leafs want to make sure they make it this year, and have a strong showing, I'd probably be willing to part with Bozak if provided an upgrade between the pipes.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 26, 2013, 10:05:22 AM
As good as Reimer has looked the last two games (and he has), I'd still be in the market for a veteran goaltender. Maybe its just me, but Reimer always looks like he's one save or play away from another injury. I'm convinced Scrivens can't get the job done, especially come playoff time. If the Leafs want to make sure they make it this year, and have a strong showing, I'd probably be willing to part with Bozak if provided an upgrade between the pipes.

I wouldn't mind a veteran goalie if nothing else to provide some stability back there.  That being said, I have no idea who's available and at what cost.  If the Leafs can get someone relatively dependable at a small cost, then I say do it.

I think back to the year when they brought in Gerber late, and he won a bunch of games Leafs had no business in winning and got us a lower draft pick (that turned out to be Kadri so it all worked out).

What am I saying?  Sometimes a veteran goalie can win you games, takes pressure off Reimer (I assume Scrivens would be dealt)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 26, 2013, 10:39:20 AM
As good as Reimer has looked the last two games (and he has), I'd still be in the market for a veteran goaltender. Maybe its just me, but Reimer always looks like he's one save or play away from another injury.

Well, you could say that about any goalie.  ;)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 26, 2013, 10:48:31 AM
I would just like to say I have about as much interest in watching any of these deadline shows as I do getting hit over the head with a shovel. 

I used to take the day off for this day... what was I thinking...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 26, 2013, 10:56:54 AM
Weiss is out for the season, Stastny is hurt as well. O'Reilly can't be traded until next February 28th and Duchene isn't going anywhere.

Stastny's injury is a minor one though. I suspect of the four, he's the one they'd be willing to part with. I'd be interested in him for sure; he's a good playmaker and is very good on faceoffs. He's not quite the no.1 centre the team really needs, but he's definitely an upgrade on Bozak.

If I can role out Kadri, Stastny and Grabbo I'm pretty happy with that overall.  Some really high levels of puck possession going on there. I think it allows Carlyle to interchange the wingers to find the right fits and adjust for different opponents when needed.

Still say my idea of Stastny and O'Byrne for Liles + Bozak + [something not blue chip] or a 2nd is workable.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 26, 2013, 10:58:23 AM
I would just like to say I have about as much interest in watching any of these deadline shows as I do getting hit over the head with a shovel. 

I used to take the day off for this day... what was I thinking...

Whaaaaa?? You mean you aren't willing to lose a days pay watching Bob McKenzie analyze 3rd and 4th line players for 8 hours this year?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 26, 2013, 11:21:42 AM
I would just like to say I have about as much interest in watching any of these deadline shows as I do getting hit over the head with a shovel. 

I used to take the day off for this day... what was I thinking...

Whaaaaa?? You mean you aren't willing to lose a days pay watching Bob McKenzie analyze 3rd and 4th line players for 8 hours this year?

not anymore! Unless there was some way to turn the show into a game of whack-a-mole which each panelist being a mole.  Now that would be fun. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on March 27, 2013, 02:16:44 PM
I think that Nonis will stand pat and do nothing next week.

He is looking for upgrade on D and I don't see him pulling the trigger...

To bad no Stall brother is avaliable from Carolina...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 27, 2013, 03:10:55 PM
I think that Nonis will stand pat and do nothing next week.

He is looking for upgrade on D and I don't see him pulling the trigger...

To bad no Stall brother is avaliable from Carolina...

You may be right. I dont see him pulling off any blockbuster trades, but I could see a minor deal or two. I think they still believe a veteran netminder would help improve the goaltending situation leading into the playoffs. Reimer has been very good, but neither he nor Scrivens have a single game of playoff experience, and when the games get important, we still dont know how either one will react. I also think they may look for an experienced stay-at-home defensemen.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Boston Leaf on March 27, 2013, 03:33:03 PM
Problem with a veteran netminder is there anyone with  anything left in the tank that is not gonna cost a lot? Khabibulin is hurt always.. don't want DiPietro... Biron will not be dealt
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 27, 2013, 03:54:09 PM
Problem with a veteran netminder is there anyone with  anything left in the tank that is not gonna cost a lot? Khabibulin is hurt always.. don't want DiPietro... Biron will not be dealt

Khabibulin would be my choice of those you mentioned, but yeah, it may be difficult to find one. At least there should be more choices than there were at the beginning of the year, when it was basically just Luongo.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: brothert on March 27, 2013, 03:55:25 PM
Goaltending is not going to make or break this playoff run. There are a lot of inexperienced playoff players on the team.  Go in with no expectations, enjoy it and grow for future years.  A veteran goalie might get us past the first round but we'll have lost some assets and have to pay to keep said veteran goalie and he'll probably be useless by the time we're ready to make a serious playoff run.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on March 27, 2013, 04:26:46 PM
We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Highlander on March 27, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
Agreed with the Nutman...no goalies and Joe can dish between Lupul and Kessel next year...if we make it to the playoffs I will be happy, if they win the first round ecstatic, 2nd round in Nirvana....but just make it to the playoffs please.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: drummond on March 27, 2013, 04:29:52 PM
Goaltending is not going to make or break this playoff run. There are a lot of inexperienced playoff players on the team.  Go in with no expectations, enjoy it and grow for future years.  A veteran goalie might get us past the first round but we'll have lost some assets and have to pay to keep said veteran goalie and he'll probably be useless by the time we're ready to make a serious playoff run.

I fully agree with you. Enjoy the ride in the playoffs, collect some experience and go from there.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 27, 2013, 05:08:15 PM
We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

Why people keep bringing it up is because a lack of playoff experience, especially among goaltenders, is not something you want to bet the house on when your playing do or die hockey games.  I can totally appreciate that some fans want to roll the dice and just see what happens. After all, just making it to the dance is a huge achievement, but if they have any plans on advancing a round or two, they will be contemplating bringing in another goaltender that has been down this road a time or two.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 27, 2013, 05:44:25 PM
We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: princedpw on March 27, 2013, 06:02:04 PM
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Why people keep bringing it up is because a lack of playoff experience, especially among goaltenders, is not something you want to bet the house on when your playing do or die hockey games.  I can totally appreciate that some fans want to roll the dice and just see what happens. After all, just making it to the dance is a huge achievement, but if they have any plans on advancing a round or two, they will be contemplating bringing in another goaltender that has been down this road a time or two.

It just isn't obvious to me that "being a veteran" is one of the primary characteristics that predicts good play by a goalie in the playoffs.  Are there any stats that show that the number of playoff games played in the past is a better predicator of post-season success than, say, regular season save percentage from the given year?  If experience actually mattered, it should be very easy to prove it statistically.

Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Is it really the case that a team is worse off having an inexperienced-but-good-during-the-regular-season goalie (eg: Reimer) than an experienced-but-not-as-good-during-the-regular-season-goalie (eg: kipper with his .879 save percentage this year).  Is it really worth paying the talent cost and acquiring the cap burden to get a guy like that?  Until somebody shows me some clear evidence that inexperience in goalies makes a clear difference, I'm not going to give up those assets to trade for experience over demonstrated regular season skill.  Of course, if an opposing GM just gifts us a great goaltender with little future cap burden then I'd happily take him.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 27, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
I think Fleury has got worse the more he's played in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 27, 2013, 06:18:28 PM
We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

He obviously isn't, but Grabovski for Thornton (as the main parts), do you do it?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 27, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on March 27, 2013, 06:23:43 PM
We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

Clearly you dont follow the the farm system. its where Kadri came from. Joe C was also a high pick, and is expected to be a top line player when ready for the big show. the team is called the Toronto Marlies. ;D
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Gilmour the Great on March 27, 2013, 06:36:16 PM
We dont need a Goalie, and I'll bet Nonis aint even looking for one. why people keep bringing this up is beond me. our Goalies have shown they are here to stay. what we need more than anything is a good stay at home defenceman. as for the #1 center, dont worry Joe's comming along.

I hope you're talking about Thornton.

He obviously isn't, but Grabovski for Thornton (as the main parts), do you do it?

In a heartbeat. I feel with Thornton and one more good defenceman we would be legit contenders.

Lupul-Thornton-Kessel
 :o
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 27, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.

Agreed. I think the ideal situation would be to have a veteran goalie with plenty of playoff experience that can challenge Reimer for the net or take over should Reimer run into confidence issues, poor play, or injuries during the playoffs. I don't think the Leafs can depend upon Scrivens to be that guy, at least not this year. Of course, if the price is too high, than it may be better to just go with what we have and hope for the best.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Leaf 50 on March 27, 2013, 07:01:44 PM
I think they should stay the course and let the chips fall as they may ,gain the experience the run provides and tinker this summer.I think the team we see has played far beyond our early expectations and will continue to grow .Grow what we have started -those of us who have been around for the drought since 67have seen what happens when you sell the future for a piece of the present
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 27, 2013, 07:06:32 PM
I hope you're talking about Thornton.

Clearly you dont follow the the farm system. its where Kadri came from. Joe C was also a high pick, and is expected to be a top line player when ready for the big show. the team is called the Toronto Marlies. ;D

Cool, I'll have to check them out some time.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: AvroArrow on March 27, 2013, 07:12:49 PM
We dont need a Goalie...why people keep bringing this up is beond me

You made a thread about getting a goalie.  ::)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bender on March 27, 2013, 07:18:30 PM
I hope you're talking about Thornton.

Clearly you dont follow the the farm system. its where Kadri came from. Joe C was also a high pick, and is expected to be a top line player when ready for the big show. the team is called the Toronto Marlies. ;D

Cool, I'll have to check them out some time.

Aren't they still in St. John's?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on March 27, 2013, 07:19:53 PM
We dont need a Goalie...why people keep bringing this up is beond me

You made a thread about getting a goalie.  ::)

Kind of a joke to see what fans thought of getting Miller on our team instead of facing him all the time.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 27, 2013, 07:52:08 PM
We dont need a Goalie...why people keep bringing this up is beond me

You made a thread about getting a goalie.  ::)

Kind of a joke to see what fans thought of getting Miller on our team instead of facing him all the time.

So it was just a coincidence that this funny, funny joke was made in the midst of Reimer going through a stretch of allowing 18 goals in 5 starts.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 27, 2013, 08:36:12 PM
Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.

I cant't hink of too many goalies who'd realistically be the answer. Scrivens/Reimer have, generally speaking, put up good numbers.

Who's got "proven playoff numbers" (that's available realistically). J.S. Giguere, Kiprusoff, Khabibulin....can't think of anyone else......
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: princedpw on March 27, 2013, 09:12:35 PM
Anecdotally, there are so many examples of young guys playing well and old guys playing poorly (and of course, good goaltenders simply playing well because they always play well) that I myself can't tell if experience vs inexperience really has any noticeable effect at all.  Wasn't Stanley cup winning Fleury experienced but beyond awful last year?  Wasn't Cam Ward great but inexperienced when he won?

Well, I think you're right but I think the point being made is that, and I think the numbers back this up, inexperience can be a factor and there are quite a few goalies, good ones, whose first crack at playoff hockey went poorly. That's not to say that you can't possibly go into the playoffs with Reimer as your #1, just that you might want a better plan B than Ben Scrivens.

I'd be interested in seeing the numbers to back it up (not that I expect you to go out and find them ... but if anybody happened to know where I could see some without much work on my part, it would be interesting).

I certainly find it plausible that inexperienced goaltenders could perform worse going from regular season to post season --- but I'm really just not sure.  I also find it plausible that lots of people believe that inexperienced goaltenders perform worse because they remember some specific time (or several times) an inexperienced goaltender performed badly --- but that's balanced by experienced goaltenders performing badly (and/or inexperienced goaltenders performing well).  We all know there's lots of randomness and bounces in a short 7-game series and that's going to make lots of good goalies look bad and bad goalies look good.  People just aren't very good at synthesizing all that noisy information accurately and uncovering the true trends ...

Summary:  I'd love to see the numbers 'cause I'm not sure how much of a factor experience is.  How much value should a team trade for veteran goaltending?  How much worse talent-wise can a veteran be than a rookie before their veteran status is useless?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on March 27, 2013, 09:26:39 PM
Second hand info but...

@dantencer: Bobby Mac on TSN says Bartkowski, Khoklachev and 1st for Iginla is imminent according to sources close to the Bruins. Not confirmed, he says
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on March 27, 2013, 10:06:44 PM
... aaaaaand apparently Iginla is a healthy scratch tonight. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Palmateer29 on March 27, 2013, 10:30:55 PM
... aaaaaand apparently Iginla is a healthy scratch tonight.

Poor Iginla going from a team that isn't going to win to a team that isn't going to win. It's only about 3 years after the time he SHOULD have been traded.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: princedpw on March 27, 2013, 10:44:52 PM
... aaaaaand apparently Iginla is a healthy scratch tonight.

Poor Iginla going from a team that isn't going to win to a team that isn't going to win. It's only about 3 years after the time he SHOULD have been traded.

Are you saying the Bruins have no chance to win?  It's always a crapshoot, but I'd put them in my top 3:  Pittsburgh, Bruins, Chicago
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 27, 2013, 10:59:07 PM
Second hand info but...

@dantencer: Bobby Mac on TSN says Bartkowski, Khoklachev and 1st for Iginla is imminent according to sources close to the Bruins. Not confirmed, he says

That's a pretty sad return if that is indeed the trade. 2 okay prospects and a late 1st? This is why you don't hire Jay Feaster.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on March 28, 2013, 06:35:08 AM
Iggy is off to Pitts, a late 1st and 2 unsigned NCAA prospects (Agostino, former  5th 2010 and Hanowski 3rd rounder 2009)

Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: LuncheonMeat on March 28, 2013, 01:35:32 PM
Second hand info but...

@dantencer: Bobby Mac on TSN says Bartkowski, Khoklachev and 1st for Iginla is imminent according to sources close to the Bruins. Not confirmed, he says

That's a pretty sad return if that is indeed the trade. 2 okay prospects and a late 1st? This is why you don't hire Jay Feaster.

Well, he was a healthy scratch last night so the Flames are probably just happy to get what they can for him.   :P
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 28, 2013, 01:39:46 PM
Second hand info but...

@dantencer: Bobby Mac on TSN says Bartkowski, Khoklachev and 1st for Iginla is imminent according to sources close to the Bruins. Not confirmed, he says

That's a pretty sad return if that is indeed the trade. 2 okay prospects and a late 1st? This is why you don't hire Jay Feaster.

More than the Leafs got for Sundin.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Coco-puffs on March 28, 2013, 03:16:18 PM
Second hand info but...

@dantencer: Bobby Mac on TSN says Bartkowski, Khoklachev and 1st for Iginla is imminent according to sources close to the Bruins. Not confirmed, he says

That's a pretty sad return if that is indeed the trade. 2 okay prospects and a late 1st? This is why you don't hire Jay Feaster.

More than the Leafs got for Sundin.

And in both cases the player had a NMC.  Sundin didn't want to get traded at all, and Iginla had Pittsburgh at the top of his list.  Feaster could not have done any better considering Iginla had all the cards.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 29, 2013, 01:39:54 PM
I'd be interested in seeing the numbers to back it up (not that I expect you to go out and find them ... but if anybody happened to know where I could see some without much work on my part, it would be interesting).

I certainly find it plausible that inexperienced goaltenders could perform worse going from regular season to post season --- but I'm really just not sure.  I also find it plausible that lots of people believe that inexperienced goaltenders perform worse because they remember some specific time (or several times) an inexperienced goaltender performed badly --- but that's balanced by experienced goaltenders performing badly (and/or inexperienced goaltenders performing well).  We all know there's lots of randomness and bounces in a short 7-game series and that's going to make lots of good goalies look bad and bad goalies look good.  People just aren't very good at synthesizing all that noisy information accurately and uncovering the true trends ...

Just to clarify things, my position isn't one that could really be "backed up" because I'm not saying that younger players playing poorly in their first playoffs is a certainty or a hard and fast rule. All I'm saying is that inexperience, or lack thereof, can be a factor and having an experienced second option could be beneficial.

So unless you're saying that you don't possibly think a young goalie can fail to live up to his billings in his first crack at playoff hockey it's not really a question to be quantified in an aggregate sense.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: MBC on March 31, 2013, 04:09:22 PM
Who would you target if you were Nonis?
I'm a little reluctant to mess with what seems to be good chemistry, but a few deals that I think would add to an already pretty good defensive game:

Liles to Wings for a 2 & 3.  Not sure what the market for a guy like Liles is like but this return seems reasonable.  In the past, this is the kind of guy the Wings would give up a 1st for.

The Wings' 2 & (3 or Ashton) to Edmonton for Smid & Ryan Jones.  Smid can't move the puck like Liles, but is bigger, and much more physical.  Jones offers decent speed and forechecking and can play up on the 2nd line in a pinch. 

Frattin, Gunnarson, 2nd to Calgary for Bouwmeester.  Bouwmeester's minutes and durability speak for themselves.  He and Gunnarson play a similar style, but Bouwmeester is better at it.  His contract for next year is too much, but manageable especially if Liles' contract is moved..  This is a better package than Calgary got for Iginla, but I think that at this point Boumeester is the better asset - especially for Toronto.

No flashy moves, no "true" #1 C and no "true" #1 G.  But overall Toronto gets bigger, and better defensively.  Not bad things to add for a playoff run.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 31, 2013, 04:31:00 PM
Smid is about to sign an extension today apparently so he isn't moving and I'm not a fan of Jones, don't think he is better than what we have.
 
I'd probably take that offer for Liles and no chance I'd give up Frattin and Gunnarsson as well as a second.

Frattin has real top six scoring chops and when healthy Gunnarsson just eats up minutes.

A 2nd and a mid level prospect for JayBo maybe, otherwise I'd pass.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 31, 2013, 06:18:53 PM
Smid is about to sign an extension today apparently so he isn't moving and I'm not a fan of Jones, don't think he is better than what we have.
 
I'd probably take that offer for Liles and no chance I'd give up Frattin and Gunnarsson as well as a second.

Frattin has real top six scoring chops and when healthy Gunnarsson just eats up minutes.

A 2nd and a mid level prospect for JayBo maybe, otherwise I'd pass.

Agreed. I could see Frattin really lighting it up come playoff time. He's proven he has another gear when the games matter. He could very well be our version of Dustin Brown if we can get on a bit of a run.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on April 01, 2013, 11:23:44 AM
Why...

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@BroadStBull 46s

CONFIRMED: #Flyers are having exploratory talks for Jagr, Clowe and Bouwmeester.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 11:28:15 AM
Why...

Quote
@BroadStBull 46s

CONFIRMED: #Flyers are having exploratory talks for Jagr, Clowe and Bouwmeester.

They've actually moved with 2 points of a playoff spot, so, I kind of get it. They don't have the cap space to add anyone who has a contract that goes past this season without sending out equal dollars, though - and they have just over the equivalent of $4M in cap space available for the deadline.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 01, 2013, 11:30:22 AM
Why...

Quote
@BroadStBull 46s

CONFIRMED: #Flyers are having exploratory talks for Jagr, Clowe and Bouwmeester.

They've actually moved with 2 points of a playoff spot, so, I kind of get it. They don't have the cap space to add anyone who has a contract that goes past this season without sending out equal dollars, though - and they have just over the equivalent of $4M in cap space available for the deadline.

Even if they don't make it this year, those guys could help them next season. Bouwmeester has a year left on his contract of course and would fill that gaping hope Pronger left on their blueline. And rumours are that a Clowe trade could potentially come with a contract extension, so he wouldn't just be a rental.

Like you said though, there's a lot of cap issues for them to get past to make those trades work.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 01, 2013, 07:03:28 PM
@Aaron Ward
Calgary Flames have granted Toronto Maple Leafs permission to talk to Kiprusoffs representatives

Unless he is coming with Komisarek going the other way or with Bouwmeester, they should pass.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 07:05:32 PM
@Aaron Ward
Calgary Flames have granted Toronto Maple Leafs permission to talk to Kiprusoffs representatives

Unless he is coming with Komisarek going the other way or with Bouwmeester, they should pass.

He can't sign an extension until the summer, so, I'm not sure how much there is to talk about here, but, whatever. I'm also not convinced Kipper isn't pretty much done - he's been mostly bad this season.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 07:17:23 PM
DarrenDreger: As per @aaronward_nhl the Leafs have permission to speak with Kiprusoff. No trade in place, but process moves forward.#tradecentre

DamoSpin: Kiprussof deal between Flames and Leafs would likely be something like a third rounder that goes to a second if Leafs make playoffs.

In the unlikely instance that Cox is close to right, that's a manageable asset cost.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 01, 2013, 07:23:18 PM
DarrenDreger: As per @aaronward_nhl the Leafs have permission to speak with Kiprusoff. No trade in place, but process moves forward.#tradecentre

DamoSpin: Kiprussof deal between Flames and Leafs would likely be something like a third rounder that goes to a second if Leafs make playoffs.

In the unlikely instance that Cox is close to right, that's a manageable asset cost.

Not a terrible price... would be ideal if they ship in Komisarek with... so it could free up some cap space.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 07:26:02 PM
I just can't get over the fact that we will essentially have a backup with a cap hit of almost six million next year and is he going to be as good a soldier as Scrivens has been while riding the pine, staying supportive and keeping his mouth shut when reporters try to bait him into controversy?

All of this not to mention the fact he has worse numbers than Reimer, for I believe the past three years.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 01, 2013, 07:28:14 PM
I just can't get over the fact that we will essentially have a backup with a cap hit of almost six million next year and is he going to be as good a soldier as Scrivens has been while riding the pine, staying supportive and keeping his mouth shut when reporters try to bait him into controversy?

All of this not to mention the fact he has worse numbers than Reimer, for I believe the past three years.
Must be April's Fool...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Michael on April 01, 2013, 07:30:45 PM
I just can't get over the fact that we will essentially have a backup with a cap hit of almost six million next year and is he going to be as good a soldier as Scrivens has been while riding the pine, staying supportive and keeping his mouth shut when reporters try to bait him into controversy?

All of this not to mention the fact he has worse numbers than Reimer, for I believe the past three years.

I am perplexed by this as well. Is it fair to say that the Leafs think he would have better numbers on a (dare I say?) better team?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Michael on April 01, 2013, 07:39:04 PM
Jason Brough @jasonpht - Anytime you can get an aging goalie with an .873 save percentage and a big cap hit, that's a deal you have to make.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on April 01, 2013, 07:39:33 PM
‏@DownGoesBrown
The Leafs are about to lose a trade with the Calgary Flames. Nothing in this world makes sense anymore.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 01, 2013, 07:42:36 PM

Last season Kiprusoff played in 70 games and had a .920 SV%. I'm probably more inclined to think that playing poorly in 17 games this year is a bit of an aberration compared to that kind of recent success.

Which isn't to say he's a star or anything, just that he's an ok insurance policy if the price is as low as reported.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on April 01, 2013, 07:42:37 PM
.873 SV% this year (worst starting goaltender SV% since the 2003 lockout at least). 
Nearly 6 million dollar cap hit next year.
Hasn't won a playoff series since the 2003-2004 post-lockout run.
Hasn't had a >.910 SV% in the postseason since 2007.

I'm just not seeing the appeal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on April 01, 2013, 07:43:28 PM

Last season Kiprusoff played in 70 games and had a .920 SV%. I'm probably more inclined to think that playing poorly in 17 games this year is a bit of an aberration compared to that kind of recent success.

Which isn't to say he's a star or anything, just that he's an ok insurance policy if the price is as low as reported.

The flip side to that is that his play this year in 17 games is what he is currently producing and that's a pretty damn big gap to overcome on the drop of a hat to be useful.

I think it's unfair to write off his career at this point, but I have a hard time figuring he would be of much use this year.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Michael on April 01, 2013, 07:43:57 PM

Last season Kiprusoff played in 70 games and had a .920 SV%. I'm probably more inclined to think that playing poorly in 17 games this year is a bit of an aberration compared to that kind of recent success.

Which isn't to say he's a star or anything, just that he's an ok insurance policy if the price is as low as reported.

Now I feel kinda dumb for not actually looking at his numbers. I was going by what guys like Mirtle and such have been saying. Your comment certainly seems more positive.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on April 01, 2013, 07:45:05 PM
I think in this case, a trade for Kipper would be of little to no value.  That being the case, why not save the draft pick and stick with the goalies that brought ya?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on April 01, 2013, 07:45:40 PM
I''m really hoping Kipper refuses to waive his NMC if it gets that far. I'd rather go with what we have.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 01, 2013, 07:47:03 PM
The flip side to that is that his play this year in 17 games is what he is currently producing and that's a pretty damn big gap to overcome on the drop of a hat to be useful.

I think it's unfair to write off his career at this point, but I have a hard time figuring he would be of much use this year.

Well, it's a big gap to overcome if we're talking about him having good numbers in total at the end of the year but if we consider his coming to Toronto a fresh start then all he has to do is, well, get it going.

And I'm not saying he definitely will, just that I doubt he just forgot how to play goal during the off-season. Let him adjust to a back-up role in Toronto behind a better team and...who knows?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
The issue with goalies is that they sometimes go quickly - especially those that rely on their speed and reflexes rather than positioning to be successful. They become a fraction of a second slower, and that's often enough to be the difference between a save and a goal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on April 01, 2013, 07:58:51 PM
The flip side to that is that his play this year in 17 games is what he is currently producing and that's a pretty damn big gap to overcome on the drop of a hat to be useful.

I think it's unfair to write off his career at this point, but I have a hard time figuring he would be of much use this year.

Well, it's a big gap to overcome if we're talking about him having good numbers in total at the end of the year but if we consider his coming to Toronto a fresh start then all he has to do is, well, get it going.

And I'm not saying he definitely will, just that I doubt he just forgot how to play goal during the off-season. Let him adjust to a back-up role in Toronto behind a better team and...who knows?

I don't entirely disagree that he might regain his form, but it just seems like a lot of risk with little time to test it out.  They have 12 games left and only 3 back-to-backs.  Not a lot of time to see if he can regain his form and it would be at a point in the season where a key win or loss will get the Leafs stuck against a team like Boston/Pittsburgh vs. Carolina/Washington/Winnipeg/Montreal/Ottawa.

And the bottom line would be that it's a huge cap hit going forward regardless of how he performs.  It would leave the Leafs close to 50 million in payroll next year with Gunnarsson, Franson, Kostka/Fraser, Bozak, Kadri, Komarov/McLaren, and MacArthur to resign. 

Obviously not all of them are likely to be back next year but that's pretty tight against the cap and it would be a shame to waste the buyout on him next year instead of Komisarek.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
Obviously not all of them are likely to be back next year but that's pretty tight against the cap and it would be a shame to waste the buyout on him next year instead of Komisarek.

They get 2 buyouts, but, it's more the potential to end up giving up assets for someone they just end up buying out.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Boston Leaf on April 01, 2013, 08:01:25 PM
tsn says a 3rd pick but if we make playoffs it becomes a second.. then we need to find a trade for Scrivens otherwise you lose him on waivers if they try to send him back. id walk away from this and almost all trades
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 08:03:06 PM
Another thought, perhaps Toronto are talking to his people, not about an extension, but for a guarantee that he will report if they get him.

If he does not retire in the summer, they could use a compliance buyout on him for next to no money given the actual dollar figure he gets next year.

I highly doubt the scenario above, but his six million cap hit as a backup next year is not great.

Sure you have Connolly and Komisarek's 8 million coming off the books, but you still have to use that money to give guys raises and try and add some other key pieces.

It just makes cap management next year that much tighter.

EDIT: In addition, technically they cannot extend Kipper till July so I don't really know where people are getting that idea from.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 01, 2013, 08:03:54 PM
I don't entirely disagree that he might regain his form, but it just seems like a lot of risk with little time to test it out.  They have 12 games left and only 3 back-to-backs.  Not a lot of time to see if he can regain his form and it would be at a point in the season where a key win or loss will get the Leafs stuck against a team like Boston/Pittsburgh vs. Carolina/Washington/Winnipeg/Montreal/Ottawa.

Meh. It's, at worst, a second round pick. If you give him a couple games and he's terrible, you give Reimer the reins in the playoffs which was the plan anyways. At best, he plays well and he's a decent option. I agree with a lot of what you're saying but I don't really see a ton of risk involved.

And the bottom line would be that it's a huge cap hit going forward regardless of how he performs.  It would leave the Leafs close to 50 million in payroll next year with Gunnarsson, Franson, Kostka/Fraser, Bozak, Kadri, Komarov/McLaren, and MacArthur to resign. 

Obviously not all of them are likely to be back next year but that's pretty tight against the cap and it would be a shame to waste the buyout on him next year instead of Komisarek.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the Leafs have two get out of jail free buyouts, right? So it doesn't really affect Komisarek's situation.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 01, 2013, 08:48:54 PM
The issue with goalies is that they sometimes go quickly - especially those that rely on their speed and reflexes rather than positioning to be successful. They become a fraction of a second slower, and that's often enough to be the difference between a save and a goal.

That may be the case with Kiprusoff, but then again, Belfour was a year older when he joined the Leafs, so you ever know.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 08:53:25 PM
That may be the case with Kiprusoff, but then again, Belfour was a year older when he joined the Leafs, so you ever know.

That's true, but, by the time Belfour came to the Leafs, he had transitioned into being an excellent positional goalie that relied much less on his reflexes and speed.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 01, 2013, 09:11:20 PM
That may be the case with Kiprusoff, but then again, Belfour was a year older when he joined the Leafs, so you ever know.

That's true, but, by the time Belfour came to the Leafs, he had transitioned into being an excellent positional goalie that relied much less on his reflexes and speed.

Well, if the 36 yr old Kiprusoff comes to the Leafs, we better hope to see more of what the 37yr old Belfour brought.  ;)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 09:17:45 PM
@tsnjamesduthie
#Tradecentre Pray for us.

;D
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 09:21:18 PM
Sorry in advance...

Eklund has the Leafs talking about Robidas.

It's 99% nonsense, but I think he'd be a decent addition.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 01, 2013, 09:33:47 PM
and it's all just talk. 99% of it comes to nothing.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Rebel_1812 on April 01, 2013, 09:58:16 PM
DarrenDreger: As per @aaronward_nhl the Leafs have permission to speak with Kiprusoff. No trade in place, but process moves forward.#tradecentre

DamoSpin: Kiprussof deal between Flames and Leafs would likely be something like a third rounder that goes to a second if Leafs make playoffs.

In the unlikely instance that Cox is close to right, that's a manageable asset cost.

kipper has had a horrible season.  He is a gamble to be better then Reimer and by his numbers would be a downgrade.  Why not stand pat and keep Reimer in goal?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 10:01:35 PM
mirtle: Kiprusoff has allowed two goals on two shots tonight. That's a .000 save percentage, which is just under Reimer's .920. #fancystats

:o

EDIT: 3 goals on 6 shots now. Really hope there's not a lot of traction on this deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 10:45:30 PM
Per Dreger and McKenzie: Sean Coutourier and Erik Johnson could be on the move.

EJ would look pretty good on the Leafs blueline, no?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 10:49:50 PM
Per Dreger and McKenzie: Sean Coutourier and Erik Johnson could be on the move.

EJ would look pretty good on the Leafs blueline, no?

Couturier would make for a fantastic 3rd line centre.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 10:55:36 PM
Per Dreger and McKenzie: Sean Coutourier and Erik Johnson could be on the move.

EJ would look pretty good on the Leafs blueline, no?

Couturier would make for a fantastic 3rd line centre.

He'd be a perfect replacement for Bozak's roster spot if we could turn Bozie into a 1st.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 01, 2013, 10:58:48 PM
Per Dreger and McKenzie: Sean Coutourier and Erik Johnson could be on the move.

EJ would look pretty good on the Leafs blueline, no?

Couturier would make for a fantastic 3rd line centre.

Would you trade Gardiner for him? I really think that's the only piece Philly would be interested in if they came a knocking. Well him, Rielly, or Kadri. But Gardiner would be the most realistic.

As for EJ, I'd be very much interested in him as well. I think if he got to a team where he didn't have to be the go-to guy he would excel.

With that said, I'd be shocked if either player moved. They just need something to talk about.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 01, 2013, 11:01:46 PM
Would you trade Gardiner for him? I really think that's the only piece Philly would be interested in if they came a knocking. Well him, Rielly, or Kadri. But Gardiner would be the most realistic.

Probably not, no. I mean, if we're being realistic about him, he probably tops out as a good but not great 2nd line centre and more likely ends up being a really good shutdown 3rd line centre. Not someone I move Gardiner for.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: leafplasma on April 01, 2013, 11:15:30 PM
Erik Johnson would look great on this team, I was surprised when he was dealt to Colorado from STL in the first place.  I wonder if a bigger deal involving Gardiner going the other way could be looked into.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 01, 2013, 11:16:45 PM
Would you trade Gardiner for him? I really think that's the only piece Philly would be interested in if they came a knocking. Well him, Rielly, or Kadri. But Gardiner would be the most realistic.

Probably not, no. I mean, if we're being realistic about him, he probably tops out as a good but not great 2nd line centre and more likely ends up being a really good shutdown 3rd line centre. Not someone I move Gardiner for.

I wonder if he tops out as a slightly more offensively gifted David Bolland.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 02, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Message to Nonis... Derek Roy and David Clarkson.. YES......

Ryan Clowe and Mikka Kiprisoff... NO
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Frank E on April 02, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
Message to Nonis... Derek Roy and David Clarkson.. YES......

Ryan Clowe and Mikka Kiprisoff... NO

Derek Roy can go F himself.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2013, 11:23:25 AM
Real_ESPNLeBrun: Told the Dallas Stars have decided to trade Jaromir Jagr. My sense is Boston leads the list of front-runners

Not that the Leafs need wingers, but, Jagr comes with tons of playoff experience and a couple Cup rings.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2013, 11:30:58 AM
Real_ESPNLeBrun: Told the Dallas Stars have decided to trade Jaromir Jagr. My sense is Boston leads the list of front-runners

Not that the Leafs need wingers, but, Jagr comes with tons of playoff experience and a couple Cup rings.

If the price were right I think he could contribute some real value as a veteran leader and a PP specialist.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on April 02, 2013, 11:44:25 AM
Hell, I'd take him just because the Bruins are rumored to want him.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Peter D. on April 02, 2013, 11:46:58 AM
Hell, I'd take him just because the Bruins are rumored to want him.

Hell, I'd take him just because he is Jaromir Jagr. :)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on April 02, 2013, 11:49:04 AM

Hell, I'd take him just because he is Jaromir Jagr. :)

I suppose that's as good of a reason as any.  :)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Mack674 on April 02, 2013, 11:54:00 AM

Hell, I'd take him just because he is Jaromir Jagr. :)

I suppose that's as good of a reason as any.  :)

He would be far from the worst forward on the team
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on April 02, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
I do enjoy the trade deadline more when we are talking about who we might add rather than who we are going to get mid round picks for.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Mack674 on April 02, 2013, 11:58:35 AM
Now that I sat here and thought about it for a minute, I actually would like Jagr on this team. There really arent any veteran guys on the team right now and it could serve them well for the rest of the season and the playoffs, maybe longer assuming he doesn't retire this season.

I mean... its Jagr.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: The Man with a Plan on April 02, 2013, 11:58:55 AM

Hell, I'd take him just because he is Jaromir Jagr. :)

I suppose that's as good of a reason as any.  :)

He would be far from the worst forward on the team

We could do a hell of a lot worse then JJ but honestly i doubt Nonis even thinks about this. He seems bound and bent on "upgrading" our netminding with a goalie worse then what we have... at least this year and last.

Top 4 Dman to help Dion out and possibly a upgrade or two on the 4th line should be our prime focus for the next day or so. Unless the flames want a 4th rounder for Kipper then thanks but no thanks. He sucked bigtime last night and has been yanked in two games straight now. His mind is on his family not hockey understandably.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Mack674 on April 02, 2013, 11:59:35 AM
"I always wanted to play in Canada and I wanted to go to Montreal if I had a chance, but Montreal wasn't interested," Jagr said.

Now is the time! Steal him for a 5th rounder! lol

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=419676

If he goes to Pittsburgh or Montreal, I will throw up. Buess I better get a bucket ready. I dont agree Boston would be the frontrunners, I'm sure he still wants to play in Montreal and then theres the whole Pittsburgh thing... either way, he'll probly be a beast in the playoffs.. he's still doing pretty well in league scoring.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 02, 2013, 12:03:32 PM

Hell, I'd take him just because he is Jaromir Jagr. :)

I suppose that's as good of a reason as any.  :)

He would be far from the worst forward on the team

We could do a hell of a lot worse then JJ but honestly i doubt Nonis even thinks about this. He seems bound and bent on "upgrading" our netminding with a goalie worse then what we have... at least this year and last.


While I agree with you on saying "no" to Kirprusoff, his stats last year were far better than the Leafs goalies.  He played 70 games and had a .920 save%.  This year he's been brutal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 02, 2013, 12:09:22 PM
Real_ESPNLeBrun: Told the Dallas Stars have decided to trade Jaromir Jagr. My sense is Boston leads the list of front-runners

Not that the Leafs need wingers, but, Jagr comes with tons of playoff experience and a couple Cup rings.

If the price were right I think he could contribute some real value as a veteran leader and a PP specialist.

I guess to me it would be if Jagr wants to be a coach and cheer leader or win another Cup.  As a mentor, he would be fantastic for the Leafs, if he wants a Cup he should probably go to Montreal to re-unite with Plekanic or Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Joe S. on April 02, 2013, 12:27:31 PM
I don't know if I'm missing something, but if you go to the NHL shop is says 'Welcome Jagr, Morrow and Murray to the Penguins'

http://shop.canada.nhl.com/home/index.jsp

Nevermind... it's Iginla... I don't know what I was looking at
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on April 02, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
I don't know if I'm missing something, but if you go to the NHL shop is says 'Welcome Jagr, Morrow and Murray to the Penguins'

http://shop.canada.nhl.com/home/index.jsp

When I click the link, it's welcome to Iginla, Morrow and Murray.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Joe S. on April 02, 2013, 12:31:38 PM
I don't know if I'm missing something, but if you go to the NHL shop is says 'Welcome Jagr, Morrow and Murray to the Penguins'

http://shop.canada.nhl.com/home/index.jsp

When I click the link, it's welcome to Iginla, Morrow and Murray.

Ya nevermind... I think I was drunk or high or something. My eyes or brains played tricks on me
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 02, 2013, 12:31:47 PM
Kypreos reporting Roy to Canucks.
2nd pick and prospect
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on April 02, 2013, 12:33:32 PM
Ya nevermind... I think I was drunk or high or something. My eyes or brains played tricks on me

It happens...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on April 02, 2013, 12:33:52 PM
Kypreos reporting Roy to Canucks.
2nd pick and prospect

So Bozak is safe!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on April 02, 2013, 12:38:59 PM
Kypreos reporting Roy to Canucks.
2nd pick and prospect

Prospect is Kevin Connauton per McKenzie.

He was selected in the 3rd round in 2009
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 02, 2013, 12:39:08 PM
Message to Nonis... Derek Roy and David Clarkson.. YES......

Ryan Clowe and Mikka Kiprisoff... NO

Derek Roy can go F himself.

Now he can F himself in Vancouver. Better?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on April 02, 2013, 12:46:46 PM
Real_ESPNLeBrun: Told the Dallas Stars have decided to trade Jaromir Jagr. My sense is Boston leads the list of front-runners

Not that the Leafs need wingers, but, Jagr comes with tons of playoff experience and a couple Cup rings.

If the price were right I think he could contribute some real value as a veteran leader and a PP specialist.

Trade MacArthur and add Jagr.  I think I might consider that.  Or even if you don't:

Van Riemsdyk - Bozak - Kessel
Kulemin - Kadri - Lupul
MacArthur - Grabovski - Jagr

That's a pretty darn dangerous top 9 going into the postseason.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on April 02, 2013, 01:04:14 PM
Fried says Jagr to Boston.  :-\

Edit: 2 prospects and a pick... No more details than that.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 02, 2013, 01:07:36 PM
Fried says Jagr to Boston.  :-\

Edit: 2 prospects and a pick... No more details than that.

How long before Shero comes in and announces Jagr to Pittsburgh?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Mack674 on April 02, 2013, 01:15:38 PM
Fried says Jagr to Boston.  :-\

Edit: 2 prospects and a pick... No more details than that.

How long before Shero comes in and announces Jagr to Pittsburgh?

TSN says Jagr to Boston. The dream is dead!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: TML fan on April 02, 2013, 01:18:21 PM
Message to Nonis... Derek Roy and David Clarkson.. YES......

Ryan Clowe and Mikka Kiprisoff... NO

Derek Roy can go F himself.

Now he can F himself in Vancouver. Better?

If they can get Marchand and Ribeiro they could form the next Olympic diving team.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 02, 2013, 01:32:27 PM
Fried says Jagr to Boston.  :-\

Edit: 2 prospects and a pick... No more details than that.

How long before Shero comes in and announces Jagr to Pittsburgh?

Just like Lucky Charms, that would be magically delicious.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: drummond on April 02, 2013, 01:40:27 PM
Trade deadline acquisitions come at hefty price, if you ask me. Hoping the Leafs stand pat.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on April 02, 2013, 03:56:37 PM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: puckhog78 on April 02, 2013, 04:02:19 PM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 02, 2013, 04:24:17 PM
By this time tomorrow the trade deadline will be another memory and we'll see what our playoff team looks like.  Hold me.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on April 02, 2013, 04:25:40 PM
I'll be disappointed if we aren't able to add a top 4 defense-man.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on April 02, 2013, 04:35:02 PM
I'll be disappointed if we don't move 1 of our pending UFA's, although at these prices there's probably no point.

Remember when we could've had a 1st for MacArthur? Yeah.....
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2013, 05:06:27 PM
Remember when we could've had a 1st for MacArthur? Yeah.....

A conditional 1st - and, not knowing the team or the conditions, it's hard to judge whether or not holding on to him was the right choice. I mean, I wouldn't have moved a 20 goal winger with another season on his contract for what really could have ended up being a mid to late 2nd rounder.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on April 02, 2013, 05:20:41 PM
The conditional part may have been the deal-breaker, but otherwise I'd move MacArthur for a 1st pretty quickly, regardless of what team offered it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 02, 2013, 05:20:41 PM
It's like the NHL GM's have conspired to screw the talking heads on deadline day, I love it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2013, 05:22:37 PM
The conditional part may have been the deal-breaker, but otherwise I'd move MacArthur for a 1st pretty quickly, regardless of what team offered it.

A straight up 1st would have been much harder to turn down, yes, though I still don't think Burke would have made that move - but, in that case, the criticism he gets from not making the deal would have been much more fair, as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2013, 05:25:06 PM
It's like the NHL GM's have conspired to screw the talking heads on deadline day, I love it.

I think they'd better get used to it. It never made a ton of sense to make deals up against the deadline and the pressure/bad decisions it led to are pretty clear to see now. If a team wants to make a change, I think more and more they'll realize it a week or so in advance and conduct negotiations accordingly.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2013, 07:53:28 PM
DarrenDreger: Tim Connolly won't play for Marlies in 11am game tomorrow. No deal imminent. Coaches decision, but based on fear of injury. #tradecentre
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 02, 2013, 07:56:45 PM
DarrenDreger: Tim Connolly won't play for Marlies in 11am game tomorrow. No deal imminent. Coaches decision, but based on fear of injury. #tradecentre

He's so being traded.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2013, 08:08:54 PM
DarrenDreger: Tim Connolly won't play for Marlies in 11am game tomorrow. No deal imminent. Coaches decision, but based on fear of injury. #tradecentre

He's so being traded.

Anything less than three 1st round picks is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on April 02, 2013, 08:13:37 PM
DarrenDreger: Tim Connolly won't play for Marlies in 11am game tomorrow. No deal imminent. Coaches decision, but based on fear of injury. #tradecentre

He's so being traded.

Anything less than three 1st round picks is unacceptable.

Rangers could use his 2013 NHL scoring.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 02, 2013, 08:28:20 PM
Rangers could use his 2013 NHL scoring.

Unfortunately, they're lacking in 2013 draft picks.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on April 02, 2013, 08:51:52 PM
So, like a 4-5th rounder? What's his value?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: leafplasma on April 02, 2013, 09:19:33 PM
DarrenDreger: Tim Connolly won't play for Marlies in 11am game tomorrow. No deal imminent. Coaches decision, but based on fear of injury. #tradecentre

He's so being traded.

That or maybe more likely he will replace Bozak in Toronto once he is dealt.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on April 03, 2013, 07:31:05 AM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 07:59:45 AM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.

So, if Reimer gets hurt tomorrow night and is out for 3 months, you'd be good with Scrivens and MacIntyre facing the Bruins in the first round?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 08:05:24 AM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.

I'd trade him in a heartbeat. I think there are better bangs for our dmen buck.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 08:12:50 AM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.

So, if Reimer gets hurt tomorrow night and is out for 3 months, you'd be good with Scrivens and MacIntyre facing the Bruins in the first round?

Aside from the Canucks with Luongo, and a few others like the Pens with Vokoun, a lot of NHL teams goaltending wouldn't look too hot if their starter got hurt.

Will Khudobin carry the Bruins to Cup if Rask goes down? Will Budaj carry the Habs to a Cup if Price goes down?

For the Leafs this spring, I don't think they're likely to be Cup bound. If they were a more serious contender, loading up that depth might make more sense.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 03, 2013, 08:26:24 AM
This is the most uninterested I've ever been at the trade deadline.  My primary concern is that the Leafs don't screw anything up and make a bad trade.  Doing nothing is pretty much fine by me.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on April 03, 2013, 08:36:57 AM
I have a feeling this is going to be pretty boring.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sarge on April 03, 2013, 09:01:29 AM
Any interest in Cammalleri and the last year of his deal @ 6 mil? I'm thinking if we decide to not keep him, it's entirely possible to flip him this summer for about equal value of what it might take to acquire him today. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 03, 2013, 09:04:54 AM
My crystal ball says Luongo becomes a Leaf today.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 03, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
and MacArthur goes to Vancouver... just a feeling.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on April 03, 2013, 09:21:27 AM
This is the most uninterested I've ever been at the trade deadline.  My primary concern is that the Leafs don't screw anything up and make a bad trade.  Doing nothing is pretty much fine by me.

Ditto. A 3rd or a 4th for a goalie? I'm ok with that type of move.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 09:22:46 AM
A guy I'd be interested in adding as a UFA Boyd Gordon of Phoenix. 58.8% faceoff win%. Good defensively. In the playoffs, if they did get him, he would replace Orr or McLaren in the top 12 as I think fighting is at a lower premium in the playoffs. But I'd prefer we don't give up much for this run.

I bet someone picks him up.

From Sask, playing for the Leafs might appeal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
If anything, I'd be selling guys like MacArthur, maybe Bozak, Liles, etc. I like what San Jose & Dallas are doing: not good enough to win it all though still in the chase for a playoff spot ... and they're retooling - getting their franchise of talent stronger while taking advantage of GMs going for it all or trying to survive.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on April 03, 2013, 09:32:35 AM
I wouldn't put much priority in trading Liles. I don't think his contract is out of line for what he brings. I'm a lot more comfortable with Liles on the ice than Gardiner.

Phaneuf
Gunnarsson
Liles
Franson
Gardiner
Fraser

I suppose the one reason I'd consider trading him is if he's replaced with an equally talented defensive defenseman. The assets he returns might help in acquiring that.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 09:35:03 AM
I wouldn't put much priority in trading Liles. I don't think his contract is out of line for what he brings. I'm a lot more comfortable with Liles on the ice than Gardiner.

Phaneuf
Gunnarsson
Liles
Franson
Gardiner
Fraser

I suppose the one reason I'd consider trading him is if he's replaced with an equally talented defensive defenseman. The assets he returns might help in acquiring that.

I think the rationale behind trading Liles is really that he may not have a spot on the blue line and represents a legitimate amount of money. If he's an asset that can return useful pieces and if Kostka can do a decent job of filling his spot in the top 6 there it's not like he's the sort of talent that can't be replaced.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on April 03, 2013, 10:17:03 AM
Maybe we've been watching different players, but I think Liles is much better than Kostka. While Kostka might provide a better value, it's a backwards step in talent.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 10:19:05 AM
Maybe we've been watching different players, but I think Liles is much better than Kostka. While Kostka might provide a better value, it's a backwards step in talent.

Just to clarify that's less a statement concerning my own opinion re: Liles than it is an acknowledgement that Carlyle seemed pretty content to have Kostka in the line-up and Liles in the press box for half the season.
Title: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 03, 2013, 10:59:13 AM
Can't get the TSN stream to work here, don't know if its because I'm in the U.S. I am stuck watching Sportsnet.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 11:06:09 AM
Can't get the TSN stream to work here, don't know if its because I'm in the U.S. I am stuck watching Sportsnet.

You're really not missing anything.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: KW Sluggo on April 03, 2013, 11:06:50 AM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.

So, if Reimer gets hurt tomorrow night and is out for 3 months, you'd be good with Scrivens and MacIntyre facing the Bruins in the first round?

We are not likely to win the series with or without Reimer or anyone else who is available via trade.

Despite our improved play this year, there is still a talent and a playoff experience gap between us and the Bruins.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 03, 2013, 11:10:17 AM
Can't get the TSN stream to work here, don't know if its because I'm in the U.S. I am stuck watching Sportsnet.

You're really not missing anything.

Yeah, that figures, I just really dislike watching some of the people at sportsnet, I feel like Dreger and Mac have more legitimacy.

Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 11:14:11 AM
Can't get the TSN stream to work here, don't know if its because I'm in the U.S. I am stuck watching Sportsnet.

You're really not missing anything.

For sure. It's absolutely awful. They're talking about commercials, coffee, ...

Dave Hodge "To get back to discussing hockey, if there's a trade today, we're betting it will include a 2nd round draft pick because they're being thrown around. What's the value of a 2nd round draft pick?"
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 11:16:07 AM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.

So, if Reimer gets hurt tomorrow night and is out for 3 months, you'd be good with Scrivens and MacIntyre facing the Bruins in the first round?

We are not likely to win the series with or without Reimer or anyone else who is available via trade.

Despite our improved play this year, there is still a talent and a playoff experience gap between us and the Bruins.

I don't think I would completely rule out beating the Bruins with Reimer between the pipes. I think the odds would certainly be better if we had a tandem of Reimer and Kiprusoff between the pipes than it would with Scrivens and MacIntyre. That's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 03, 2013, 11:17:34 AM
Maybe we've been watching different players, but I think Liles is much better than Kostka. While Kostka might provide a better value, it's a backwards step in talent.

Just to clarify that's less a statement concerning my own opinion re: Liles than it is an acknowledgement that Carlyle seemed pretty content to have Kostka in the line-up and Liles in the press box for half the season.

and that seems to have changed now as Carlyle has Liles back in ahead of Kostka.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 11:19:51 AM
For sure. It's absolutely awful. They're talking about commercials, coffee, ...

Dave Hodge "To get back to discussing hockey, if there's a trade today, we're betting it will include a 2nd round draft pick because they're being thrown around. What's the value of a 2nd round draft pick?"

I do kind of feel bad for these guys. They have to be there and they have to fill air time with something, and there's just nothing to really talk about right now. Not even a meaningless 4th liner for future considerations deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 11:19:58 AM
and that seems to have changed now as Carlyle has Liles back in ahead of Kostka.

I know. But it's still hardly an endorsement of Liles as an integral part if the line-up.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 03, 2013, 11:21:05 AM
Agreed. But IMHO he has looked better since being sat down.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 03, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
For sure. It's absolutely awful. They're talking about commercials, coffee, ...

Dave Hodge "To get back to discussing hockey, if there's a trade today, we're betting it will include a 2nd round draft pick because they're being thrown around. What's the value of a 2nd round draft pick?"

I do kind of feel bad for these guys. They have to be there and they have to fill air time with something, and there's just nothing to really talk about right now. Not even a meaningless 4th liner for future considerations deal.

The clown with the Bob Mackenzie tshirt drives me up the wall.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 11:27:32 AM

So here's just a hypothetical but would people be as ok about the Leafs potentially standing pat if they had, say, 38 points instead of 44?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 11:30:18 AM
So here's just a hypothetical but would people be as ok about the Leafs potentially standing pat if they had, say, 38 points instead of 44?

I think I'd be more okay with it in that situation, considering, at 38 points, the odds of them missing the playoffs even if they make a deal is significantly greater. I think it you add at the deadline, it should be to help the team in the playoffs, not help the team get to the playoffs.
Title: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 03, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
NHL Network is showing the tsn feed, good times.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 03, 2013, 11:36:12 AM
And of course Pierre McGuire now says the Kiprusoff news will kick-start Luongo to Leafs talks.  Then someone else says that the Canucks now have "leverage" LOL, ok.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: pnjunction on April 03, 2013, 11:42:12 AM
I don't think Liles is quite delivering on his salary but I did notice that a few of our team's highlight reel plays start with him making a simple clean break-out pass, something we've had trouble getting at times. 

I was thinking that our break from our mini-slump to the current 8-game point streak started shortly after he started playing again, but then when I looked at the schedule we also had the 5-game winning streak while he was in the press box.  Add it all up and we're 12-8-2 with him and 7-4-2 without, so it's hard to say we'd miss him too much.  I think we would look for a D in return though so we would still have that depth and ability to shake up the back end.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Dappleganger on April 03, 2013, 11:46:28 AM
What's our record with and without MacArthur in the lineup?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on April 03, 2013, 11:47:18 AM
And of course Pierre McGuire now says the Kiprusoff news will kick-start Luongo to Leafs talks.  Then someone else says that the Canucks now have "leverage" LOL, ok.

Is Pierre wearing a snitch hat?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 11:53:08 AM
What's our record with and without MacArthur in the lineup?

He's missed all of 6 games. So, I mean, there's really no relevance to those splits.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 12:04:14 PM
The flood gates are open! We have 2 . . . waiver claims!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 12:25:16 PM
The flood gates are open! We have 2 . . . waiver claims!

There's about 2 1/2 hours left before 3pm deadline ... (though a few trickle in after 3pm in terms of getting reported)

They're approaching increasing the record of the first deal reported by 2 hours ...

Pretty pathetic
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 12:31:32 PM
The flood gates are open! We have 2 . . . waiver claims!

There's about 2 1/2 hours left before 3pm deadline ... (though a few trickle in after 3pm in terms of getting reported)

They're approaching increasing the record of the first deal reported by 2 hours ...

Pretty pathetic

Yeah. They're about 24 hours behind most of the action. Hopefully that doesn't mean two days of coverage next year. :o
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on April 03, 2013, 12:32:07 PM
I know that this is a lockout shortened year and there were a few deals in the last few days, but things are only going to get worse next year with the new format.

7 team divisions in the West with at least 3 guaranteed spots per division plus an additional 2 spots going around.
8 teams per division in the East in the same format.  Teams are going to stand pat like mad unless they are completely out of the race by January.  I'm not exactly sure why the NHL feels that fewer deadline trades is a good thing for the sport.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Optimus Reimer on April 03, 2013, 01:52:15 PM
What a difference a season makes compared to the last 10 years.  Seemed like the Leafs were trading their garbage in exchange for other garbage, hoping the players they bring in will help towards the rebuild.  This time, we're speculating as to who the Leafs may trade for to help boost the roster for a playoff run, but if the Leafs have to give up too much for any player, I would rather see the Leafs do nothing, hold on to their 1st round draft pick in the summer, and try to sign a UFA or two in the summer.

Quite frankly, I feel the pride again of being a Leaf fan, knowing each player on the team played their heart out to try to win every game, and to push for a playoff spot.  Even if the Leafs play .500 the remainder of the season, the Rangers would have to win 10 of their remaining 13 games to surpass the Leafs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 01:53:36 PM
TSN just interviewed Nonis. Nothing happening right now though Nonis said in the last half hour they usually get a flurry of calls
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 01:58:26 PM
What a difference a season makes compared to the last 10 years.  Seemed like the Leafs were trading their garbage in exchange for other garbage, hoping the players they bring in will help towards the rebuild.  This time, we're speculating as to who the Leafs may trade for to help boost the roster for a playoff run, but if the Leafs have to give up too much for any player, I would rather see the Leafs do nothing, hold on to their 1st round draft pick in the summer, and try to sign a UFA or two in the summer.

Quite frankly, I feel the pride again of being a Leaf fan, knowing each player on the team played their heart out to try to win every game, and to push for a playoff spot.  Even if the Leafs play .500 the remainder of the season, the Rangers would have to win 10 of their remaining 13 games to surpass the Leafs.

Nonis was just on TSN saying that nothing is brewing so far today. He also said conversation usually picks up in the last half an hour or so before the deadline closes.

This may be the first trade deadline I can remember where I wouldn't be disappointed if the Leafs did absolutely nothing. I know many fans here feel the same.

1 hour to go...

Edit. Sorry cw. Just noticed you already brought up the Nonis interview.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
TSN just interviewed Nonis. Nothing happening right now though Nonis said in the last half hour they usually get a flurry of calls

Could one of those calls be Gillis begging the Leafs to take Luongo?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 02:03:20 PM
What a difference a season makes compared to the last 10 years.  Seemed like the Leafs were trading their garbage in exchange for other garbage, hoping the players they bring in will help towards the rebuild.  This time, we're speculating as to who the Leafs may trade for to help boost the roster for a playoff run, but if the Leafs have to give up too much for any player, I would rather see the Leafs do nothing, hold on to their 1st round draft pick in the summer, and try to sign a UFA or two in the summer.

Quite frankly, I feel the pride again of being a Leaf fan, knowing each player on the team played their heart out to try to win every game, and to push for a playoff spot.  Even if the Leafs play .500 the remainder of the season, the Rangers would have to win 10 of their remaining 13 games to surpass the Leafs.

Nonis was just on TSN saying that nothing is brewing so far today. He also said conversation usually picks up in the last half an hour or so before the deadline closes.

This may be the first trade deadline I can remember where I wouldn't be disappointed if the Leafs did absolutely nothing. I know many fans here feel the same.

1 hour to go...

Edit. Sorry cw. Just noticed you already brought up the Nonis interview.

No sweat.

If Nonis can be taken at his word, and I see no reason why he can't, it's unlikely anything big can happen with the Leafs because cap implications, contract clauses and complexities on a big deal can't get digested quickly.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 02:08:21 PM
TSN just interviewed Nonis. Nothing happening right now though Nonis said in the last half hour they usually get a flurry of calls

Could one of those calls be Gillis begging the Leafs to take Luongo?

"We're starting Schneider because we're trying to prevent Luongo from being injured so he can be moved!!"

I think this Luongo situation is going to end ugly for Gillis.

Tampa just got Bishop from the Sens
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on April 03, 2013, 02:11:01 PM
What a difference a season makes compared to the last 10 years.  Seemed like the Leafs were trading their garbage in exchange for other garbage, hoping the players they bring in will help towards the rebuild.  This time, we're speculating as to who the Leafs may trade for to help boost the roster for a playoff run, but if the Leafs have to give up too much for any player, I would rather see the Leafs do nothing, hold on to their 1st round draft pick in the summer, and try to sign a UFA or two in the summer.

Quite frankly, I feel the pride again of being a Leaf fan, knowing each player on the team played their heart out to try to win every game, and to push for a playoff spot.  Even if the Leafs play .500 the remainder of the season, the Rangers would have to win 10 of their remaining 13 games to surpass the Leafs.

Nonis was just on TSN saying that nothing is brewing so far today. He also said conversation usually picks up in the last half an hour or so before the deadline closes.

This may be the first trade deadline I can remember where I wouldn't be disappointed if the Leafs did absolutely nothing. I know many fans here feel the same.

1 hour to go...

Edit. Sorry cw. Just noticed you already brought up the Nonis interview.

No sweat.

If Nonis can be taken at his word, and I see no reason why he can't, it's unlikely anything big can happen with the Leafs because cap implications, contract clauses and complexities on a big deal can't get digested quickly.

Agreed. I really don't see anything substantial going down in the next hour, other than perhaps the slim possibility that Gillis throws up his hands and gives Luongo away for a bag of pucks.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 02:11:51 PM
I think this Luongo situation is going to end ugly for Gillis.

I think a lot of us saw this coming, as well. The rumoured deals Gillis was looking for in the summer were absurd, and the market wasn't going to get better as Luongo got older and wasn't starting. He seriously misplayed a weak hand here, and, if he doesn't do something about it soon, it could play a big part in costing him his job.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on April 03, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
TSN just interviewed Nonis. Nothing happening right now though Nonis said in the last half hour they usually get a flurry of calls

Could one of those calls be Gillis begging the Leafs to take Luongo?

"We're starting Schneider because we're trying to prevent Luongo from being injured so he can be moved!!"

I think this Luongo situation is going to end ugly for Gillis.

Tampa just got Bishop from the Sens

Makes sense for Stevie Y.  Bolts are not great defensively, but Lindback hasn't performed to the level they had hoped.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on April 03, 2013, 02:12:50 PM
I think this Luongo situation is going to end ugly for Gillis.

I think a lot of us saw this coming, as well. The rumoured deals Gillis was looking for in the summer were absurd, and the market wasn't going to get better as Luongo got older and wasn't starting. He seriously misplayed a weak hand here, and, if he doesn't do something about it soon, it could play a big part in costing him his job.

I hope it does.  He's a douche.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on April 03, 2013, 02:13:47 PM
I think this Luongo situation is going to end ugly for Gillis.

I think a lot of us saw this coming, as well. The rumoured deals Gillis was looking for in the summer were absurd, and the market wasn't going to get better as Luongo got older and wasn't starting. He seriously misplayed a weak hand here, and, if he doesn't do something about it soon, it could play a big part in costing him his job.

Has he added anything of significance to that team in his entire tenure?

Hamhuis maybe?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 03, 2013, 02:14:26 PM
Has he added anything of significance to that team in his entire tenure?

Hamhuis maybe?

Garrison, and that's about it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: pmrules on April 03, 2013, 02:15:09 PM
I think this Luongo situation is going to end ugly for Gillis.

I think a lot of us saw this coming, as well. The rumoured deals Gillis was looking for in the summer were absurd, and the market wasn't going to get better as Luongo got older and wasn't starting. He seriously misplayed a weak hand here, and, if he doesn't do something about it soon, it could play a big part in costing him his job.

Has he added anything of significance to that team in his entire tenure?

Hamhuis maybe?

Jason Garri.....oh wait you said significant..
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BermudaBudsFan on April 03, 2013, 02:17:11 PM
Sens got Conacher for Bishop.  I like that trade for Ottawa.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 02:23:39 PM
Sens got Conacher for Bishop.  I like that trade for Ottawa.

It may work out well for both teams. With Tyler Johnson, apparently TBay said "we can only keep one of the young little guys" and they chose Johnson.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: drummond on April 03, 2013, 03:49:11 PM
Well, I think Nonis did well. Most importantly he has not panicked and did not make any kind of stupid reactionary move sacrificing picks or youngsters. Addind another D-man can never hurt going into playoffs especially if O´Byrne is UFA next season.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on April 03, 2013, 04:03:11 PM
So far so good. I'm liking the fact Nunis has not made a deal. we are only just testing the playoff waters, so we dont need to spend the farm on any players to try and do a push. I say we go in and let the guys get some experince, then go for it next year. also I like what we have other then we need  stay at home dman.

I agree. I'd be happy with a stay at home 6th D man that can clear the front of the net. if we were to trade Liles i'd be okay with that as well just to make room for Gardiner.

You would be ok to trade Liles? . he has been awsome in our last few games, he looks like the player he was thought to be when we got him. Imo he wouldn't be in any deal. we need to add a stay at home defenceman not get rid of our guys that have got us here. as for all the goalie talk, can you say DUH!!!!!. Our goaltending is just fine.



See it looks like Nunis agreed with me. ;D
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 04:12:24 PM
See it looks like Nunis agreed with me. ;D

I don't know who Nunis is but Dave Nonis spent most of the day trying to add a goaltender so, no, he didn't.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on April 03, 2013, 04:15:30 PM
See it looks like Nonis agreed with me. ;D

I don't know who Nunis is but Dave Nonis spent most of the day trying to add a goaltender so, no, he didn't.

oops a type o.  you mean the press spent most of the day claiming that.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 04:18:05 PM
you mean the press spent most of the day claiming that.

No. Jay Feaster confirmed it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 03, 2013, 04:18:59 PM
What's this about Washington saying they have a press conference that reporters need to be at?  Sounds like a major deal?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: nutman on April 03, 2013, 04:28:46 PM
you mean the press spent most of the day claiming that.

No. Jay Feaster confirmed it.

Well Nik... It don't matter, we've done the right thing, we got a stay at home dman, and went with the goalies that got us here. no time like the present for them to gain playoff exp.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 04:30:42 PM
Well Nik... It don't matter, we've done the right thing, we got a stay at home dman, and went with the goalies that got us here. no time like the present for them to gain playoff exp.

I wasn't an advocate either way. It's just important to note the actual, you know, truth.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 03, 2013, 04:32:23 PM
90 minutes later and every reporter has no information about this supposed Capitals trade.  So much for the Internet age breaking everything within seconds of it happening.  I'm interested to find out what this is.
Title: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 03, 2013, 04:45:13 PM
90 minutes later and every reporter has no information about this supposed Capitals trade.  So much for the Internet age breaking everything within seconds of it happening.  I'm interested to find out what this is.
new contract for Ribeiro?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on April 03, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
See it looks like Nonis agreed with me. ;D

I don't know who Nunis is but Dave Nonis spent most of the day trying to add a goaltender so, no, he didn't.

oops a type o.  you mean the press spent most of the day claiming that.

Reminds me of when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor....      ;)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 03, 2013, 04:52:01 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 04:57:09 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on April 03, 2013, 04:58:07 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?

I'm literally laughing at this trade.  Isn't he only 18?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 05:00:05 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?

I'm literally laughing at this trade.  Isn't he only 18?

Doesn't turn 19 until August. I mean...Jeez. I know the Leafs don't necessarily have a comparable but I'd have been all over trying to get in on that.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on April 03, 2013, 05:01:37 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?

2 points behind the Jets?... with 2 games in hand.
Title: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on April 03, 2013, 05:03:22 PM
I wonder if there is an issue with his development or attitude, seems like a strange decision otherwise.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 05:04:03 PM
2 points behind the Jets?... with 2 games in hand.

They're 21st in points winning percentage, the crumminess of the Southeast aside. Maybe it's just me but that's not when I'd start dealing my top prospects.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on April 03, 2013, 05:06:59 PM
2 points behind the Jets?... with 2 games in hand.

They're 21st in points winning percentage, the crumminess of the Southeast aside. Maybe it's just me but that's not when I'd start dealing my top prospects.

Oh I'm not supporting the deal they made - it was stupid - but they probably end up winning the division and finish 3rd... but would have done so with or without Erat.  Yeeeesh.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bender on April 03, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?

I'm literally laughing at this trade.  Isn't he only 18?

Doesn't turn 19 until August. I mean...Jeez. I know the Leafs don't necessarily have a comparable but I'd have been all over trying to get in on that.

Erat isn't exactly an amazing player. Could've been Bozak+ easily.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: drummond on April 03, 2013, 05:12:35 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?

I'm literally laughing at this trade.  Isn't he only 18?

Doesn't turn 19 until August. I mean...Jeez. I know the Leafs don't necessarily have a comparable but I'd have been all over trying to get in on that.

Erat isn't exactly an amazing player. Could've been Bozak+ easily.

That´s very tempting but I am not sure if I would do that provided that the LEafs have currently no-one to replace Bozak
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 05:15:57 PM
Erat isn't exactly an amazing player. Could've been Bozak+ easily.

I'm thinking more along the lines of Mac if they were looking for a winger. Admittedly that's pipe dream stuff it's just, you know, you'd like to be in on that.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: cw on April 03, 2013, 05:36:56 PM
Notable that Connolly didn't get moved - given teams were looking for centers.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: drummond on April 03, 2013, 06:00:46 PM
I wonder if there is an issue with his development or attitude, seems like a strange decision otherwise.

Forsberg is by all accounts having good year with Leksand (Swedish 2nd League)
38GP 15G+18A 33PTS   +11, right now in the playoffs/qualification for Eliteserien
In recent WJC he scored 3G and added 2A for 5PTS in 6 games.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on April 03, 2013, 08:02:53 PM
ESPN's instant analysis has the Leafs in the "Not so much" grouping when it comes to the question of whether they improved:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/23219/the-deadline-who-got-better-who-got-worse (http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/23219/the-deadline-who-got-better-who-got-worse)

That said, it's not much in the way of an actual criticism.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kessel Run on April 03, 2013, 08:25:45 PM
How did Brassard and Moore get into the Rangers lineup already?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on April 04, 2013, 09:49:36 AM
Really, this amounted to a rather strange - or maybe interesting is the better word - trade deadline, especially when the value of players moved is considered.

Martin Erat and Michael Latta for Filip Forsberg looks quite lopsided in Nashville's favour, and Erat doesn't come with an exactly cap-friendly contract at $4.5 / year.  Boy, I've got to agree with the others that I really would have liked the Leafs to have gotten in on this one.  I would have seriously considered MacArthur + Colborne for him.

But the one that blew me away was Jason Pominville for 2 pretty good prospects, a first and a second.  I like Pominville and all, but that is 22 year old Phil Kessel territory.  While Pominville plays a more complete game, he doesn't bring elite elements to the game like Kessel does.  As if they weren't before, the Wild are definitely all-in this year.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: princedpw on April 04, 2013, 03:41:45 PM
Really, this amounted to a rather strange - or maybe interesting is the better word - trade deadline, especially when the value of players moved is considered.

Martin Erat and Michael Latta for Filip Forsberg looks quite lopsided in Nashville's favour, and Erat doesn't come with an exactly cap-friendly contract at $4.5 / year.  Boy, I've got to agree with the others that I really would have liked the Leafs to have gotten in on this one.  I would have seriously considered MacArthur + Colborne for him.

But the one that blew me away was Jason Pominville for 2 pretty good prospects, a first and a second.  I like Pominville and all, but that is 22 year old Phil Kessel territory.  While Pominville plays a more complete game, he doesn't bring elite elements to the game like Kessel does.  As if they weren't before, the Wild are definitely all-in this year.

Yup, would really have liked to have dumped a pending UFA for such futures ...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on April 04, 2013, 04:58:13 PM
Yup, would really have liked to have dumped a pending UFA for such futures ...

Considering what pending UFAs not named Iginla or Jagr actually went for at this deadline, those high quality futures weren't there for them. The best returns yesterday went for guys with term left on their contracts. Pending UFAs were going for mid-round picks.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Rebel_1812 on April 04, 2013, 05:02:17 PM
Kypreos saying Martin Erat to Capitals.

For Filip Forsberg? Does someone want to tell the Capitals where they are in the standings?

I'm literally laughing at this trade.  Isn't he only 18?

Doesn't turn 19 until August. I mean...Jeez. I know the Leafs don't necessarily have a comparable but I'd have been all over trying to get in on that.

Erat isn't exactly an amazing player. Could've been Bozak+ easily.

I know or macarthur.  That is a deal I wish the leafs had been in on.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: mc on March 03, 2014, 02:43:38 PM
TSN reporting that the Senators are shopping Spezza. I wouldn't mind him in a Leafs uniform. What would be the likely package to get him (and his contract)?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 03, 2014, 02:49:00 PM
TSN reporting that the Senators are shopping Spezza. I wouldn't mind him in a Leafs uniform. What would be the likely package to get him (and his contract)?

I have to assume that the sort of overpay that the Senators would need to be willing to not just trade him in the division but to the Leafs in particular would be so high by itself that it would make it not worth it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 03, 2014, 02:53:52 PM
TSN reporting that the Senators are shopping Spezza. I wouldn't mind him in a Leafs uniform. What would be the likely package to get him (and his contract)?

Melynk's bonkers. He'd rather give Spezza away for free than trade him to the Leafs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 03, 2014, 02:57:38 PM
Spezza's been a wreck this year. Even if there wasn't that divisional rival issue I still wouldn't have much interest in him, all things considered.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bonsixx on March 03, 2014, 03:21:32 PM
Spezza's been a wreck this year. Even if there wasn't that divisional rival issue I still wouldn't have much interest in him, all things considered.

For the numbers peeps, his shooting percentage is apparently well below what it typically is. I have him on my fantasy team and expect him to start lighting it up any day now...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
I have to assume that the sort of overpay that the Senators would need to be willing to not just trade him in the division but to the Leafs in particular would be so high by itself that it would make it not worth it.

That's how I see it, too. The upgrade in Spezza will be equal to or less than the downgrade in talent in other areas.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 03, 2014, 04:59:05 PM
Not a big deal busta, Carlyle could just roll two lines instead of three.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bakeapples on March 03, 2014, 08:40:34 PM
TSN reporting that the Senators are shopping Spezza. I wouldn't mind him in a Leafs uniform. What would be the likely package to get him (and his contract)?

Dear God no
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 03, 2014, 08:44:58 PM
Not a big deal busta, Carlyle could just roll two lines instead of three.

You mean, kind like he's doing tonight?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2014, 08:40:13 AM
McClement played 5 and a half minutes at even-strength last night. I wonder what he'd go for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 08:59:55 AM
TSN reporting that the Senators are shopping Spezza. I wouldn't mind him in a Leafs uniform. What would be the likely package to get him (and his contract)?

1000x no.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Kaberle15 on March 04, 2014, 09:07:15 AM
Why not Shop Franson tomorrow ?

He will be a RFA, he had two years of tought negotiations for a contract. For an upgrade at D Nonis should start with a package of Franson +

Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 04, 2014, 09:11:51 AM
Not a big deal busta, Carlyle could just roll two lines instead of three.

You mean, kind like he's doing tonight?

Sadly, I had meant that as a joke, not a prophesy.  :o
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2014, 09:18:48 AM
Not a big deal busta, Carlyle could just roll two lines instead of three.

You mean, kind like he's doing tonight?

Sadly, I had meant that as a joke, not a prophesy.  :o

Tell us more!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 04, 2014, 09:21:35 AM
McClement played 5 and a half minutes at even-strength last night. I wonder what he'd go for tomorrow.

It's an interesting question, our penalty kill can't suffer anymore anyway.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2014, 09:35:14 AM
Two guys I'd take a look at tomorrow are Byfuglien and Robidas. There was a rumour posted in a Philly paper that the asking price for Buff is a 1st rounder and roster player. Obviously that's a pretty vague price, but I'd move our 1st and Franson for him in a heartbeat. Boston papers suggest that Robidas will be moved before the deadline as well. He's been injured since November but should be back mid-March. It's obviously quite the risk, but he's a guy that I wanted the Leafs to target prior to his injury. If they can pick him up for a reasonable price I'd pull the trigger and try to re-sign him if his play hasn't plummeted.

edit: Stupid salary cap, Buff would have to wait until the summer.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 09:39:10 AM
McClement played 5 and a half minutes at even-strength last night. I wonder what he'd go for tomorrow.

It's an interesting question, our penalty kill can't suffer anymore anyway.

Can we get Bolland back to fill the void first?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 09:44:47 AM
Why not Shop Franson tomorrow ?

He will be a RFA, he had two years of tought negotiations for a contract. For an upgrade at D Nonis should start with a package of Franson +

I think he's worth a lot more than maybe we assume.  Right hand d-man with huge size and can skate, plays reasonably physical and plays the right point on the PP with a knack for getting the low, quick shot through .. on a cheap deal this year and has the last RFA year next year to get him signed and/or extended long term.   He needs to be paired with a stay at home guy to minimize some of the d-zone gaffes, vs. him having to be the defensive guy like he has been here most nights and he could be a lot better.

Blech I don't know what they need to do here, but I am 200% convinced this defense cannot have a chance at being stable with both Gardiner and Franson on it, not to mention Ranger. It just can't.  Two of them need to go and be replaced with at least one guy who can stabilize the 3rd pair.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2014, 09:46:38 AM
Can we get Bolland back to fill the void first?

Yeah, I wouldn't move McClement if Bolland ruled himself out for the season. But I mean he can't stay day-to-day forever, right? Even if he can only return in a 4th line role I would run Bozak-Kadri-Holland-Bolland with Kulemin ready to move over if injuries strike.

If we can move both Raymond and McClement it would help recoup the picks we lost in the Bernier/Holland/Bolland trades.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 09:46:43 AM
Two guys I'd take a look at tomorrow are Byfuglien and Robidas. There was a rumour posted in a Philly paper that the asking price for Buff is a 1st rounder and roster player. Obviously that's a pretty vague price, but I'd move our 1st and Franson for him in a heartbeat. Boston papers suggest that Robidas will be moved before the deadline as well. He's been injured since November but should be back mid-March. It's obviously quite the risk, but he's a guy that I wanted the Leafs to target prior to his injury. If they can pick him up for a reasonable price I'd pull the trigger and try to re-sign him if his play hasn't plummeted.

edit: Stupid salary cap, Buff would have to wait until the summer.

Buff seems more like a summer type trade anyway.  I would be asking about Bogosian as another option. I think our defense in the off-season is going to get some major reconstructive surgery.

Robidas would be an excellent pickup.  Would stabilize things quite a bit on the 2nd or 3rd pairing. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 09:54:26 AM
Can we get Bolland back to fill the void first?

Yeah, I wouldn't move McClement if Bolland ruled himself out for the season. But I mean he can't stay day-to-day forever, right? Even if he can only return in a 4th line role I would run Bozak-Kadri-Holland-Bolland with Kulemin ready to move over if injuries strike.

If we can move both Raymond and McClement it would help recoup the picks we lost in the Bernier/Holland/Bolland trades.

I would be okay with that as well. Wondering if you can pair one of those two guys with one of the two d-men and get a d-man in return that we REALLY need to shore things up.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 09:55:44 AM
I think he's worth a lot more than maybe we assume.  Right hand d-man with huge size and can skate

You're talking about Cody Franson right?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 10:01:59 AM
I think he's worth a lot more than maybe we assume.  Right hand d-man with huge size and can skate

You're talking about Cody Franson right?

Yes..... ?

Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 10:06:00 AM
I think he's worth a lot more than maybe we assume.  Right hand d-man with huge size and can skate

You're talking about Cody Franson right?

Yes..... ?

Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

Well I can also skate and doesn't mean I'm Bobby Orr.  I figured I'd take the leap to assume by 'can skate' you meant it as a positive aspect of his game, as in he is above average in that regard.

I find him very slow moving, slow turning and that his skating often DOES get him into trouble because he is unable to recover if he makes a poor pinch or a giveaway.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 10:11:31 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 04, 2014, 10:14:28 AM
Can we get Bolland back to fill the void first?

Yeah, I wouldn't move McClement if Bolland ruled himself out for the season. But I mean he can't stay day-to-day forever, right? Even if he can only return in a 4th line role I would run Bozak-Kadri-Holland-Bolland with Kulemin ready to move over if injuries strike.

If we can move both Raymond and McClement it would help recoup the picks we lost in the Bernier/Holland/Bolland trades.

I thought you meant for selling 'high' kind of purpose, being that prices are usually high at the deadline. For his salary, I don't mind his PK ability or playing the 4th line.

So I agree, you'd definitely wait and see how Bolland and McClement work in the 3 and 4 holes. Sort that out in the summer.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 10:22:13 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2014, 10:23:44 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 10:24:36 AM
I find him very slow moving, slow turning and that his skating often DOES get him into trouble because he is unable to recover if he makes a poor pinch or a giveaway.

For a guy his size he skates reasonably well. 

okay? is that better?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 04, 2014, 10:25:07 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 10:26:50 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night.

The reasons he gets beat at times like that have a lot more to do with decisions than his feet not keeping up with what his brain is telling them to do.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 10:30:14 AM
I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

People still say it about Phaneuf, and, to his credit, Phaneuf has cut down on his ill-timed pinches to compensate for his skating deficiencies. Franson has not. Franson also gets beaten near the Leafs blue line at an alarming rate.

He's a 3rd pairing PP specialist. That's all he should be used for. Unfortunately, he's had a larger role for much of the season, and his defensive weaknesses - which includes his poor skating - have been exposed. The fact that he's a right-handed shot adds to his value some, but, he's also the worst skater on the blue line (by a wide margin compared to everyone other than Ranger), and he needs to go. Mobility is the key to the game these days, and Franson's mobility is not good enough.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 10:31:19 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night.

Phaneuf looked particularly bad last night, but in terms of a comparison I think he's got quite a bit more speed than Franson, even if Phaneuf is still not among the quickest out there.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 04, 2014, 10:33:49 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night.

The reasons he gets beat at times like that have a lot more to do with decisions than his feet not keeping up with what his brain is telling them to do.

I'm not so sure about that. The breakaway he gave up to Horton last night was a clear case of him not having anything resembling the ability to skate well. They were on even par at the blue line and by the redline Horton was 5 strides ahead of them. It's tough to explain considering it only takes 2 or 3 strides to cover that space usually.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 10:36:55 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night.

The reasons he gets beat at times like that have a lot more to do with decisions than his feet not keeping up with what his brain is telling them to do.

I'm not so sure about that. The breakaway he gave up to Horton last night was a clear case of him not having anything resembling the ability to skate well. They were on even par at the blue line and by the redline Horton was 5 strides ahead of them. It's tough to explain considering it only takes 2 or 3 strides to cover that space usually.

That's probably because Phaneuf was starting at a stand-still and Horton was in mid-flight.  It's pretty damn tough to recover and catch someone from a stand-still unless you have elite skating - and not like Horton is particularly slow either.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

He's a 3rd pairing PP specialist. That's all he should be used for. Unfortunately, he's had a larger role for much of the season, and his defensive weaknesses - which includes his poor skating - have been exposed. The fact that he's a right-handed shot adds to his value some, but, he's also the worst skater on the blue line (by a wide margin compared to everyone other than Ranger), and he needs to go. Mobility is the key to the game these days, and Franson's mobility is not good enough.

Overall, I absolutely agree.  I think a few teams will see him as more than that is all I'm suggesting.  I think he's a bit better skater than given credit for a times but hey.. maybe it's just me seeing "potential" or something.

I said something similar about Franson in that he would do better in a situation where he didn't have to be the defensive guy on his pair. He needs to have a d-man he can lean on in that regard, not the other way around.

If the Leafs could move Franson and bring in a defensive d-man, even as a #6 who is reliable and can stabilize Gardiner or Rielly then our blueline could take a much needed turn for the better. Much like he and Fraser were last year before the wheels fell off this year.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2014, 10:37:35 AM
The reasons he gets beat at times like that have a lot more to do with decisions than his feet not keeping up with what his brain is telling them to do.

It's both. He lost the puck to Horton maybe because of decision making but being nowhere near him as Horton beat him down the ice is just a reflection of footspeed.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Corn Flake on March 04, 2014, 10:39:14 AM
I'm not so sure about that. The breakaway he gave up to Horton last night was a clear case of him not having anything resembling the ability to skate well. They were on even par at the blue line and by the redline Horton was 5 strides ahead of them. It's tough to explain considering it only takes 2 or 3 strides to cover that space usually.

That's probably because Phaneuf was starting at a stand-still and Horton was in mid-flight.  It's pretty damn tough to recover and catch someone from a stand-still unless you have elite skating - and not like Horton is particularly slow either.

exactly, plus how long had Phaneuf been on the ice when that happened... I'm guessing he wasn't fresh off the bench?  (Honestly haven't looked)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 10:43:33 AM
I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

He's a 3rd pairing PP specialist. That's all he should be used for. Unfortunately, he's had a larger role for much of the season, and his defensive weaknesses - which includes his poor skating - have been exposed. The fact that he's a right-handed shot adds to his value some, but, he's also the worst skater on the blue line (by a wide margin compared to everyone other than Ranger), and he needs to go. Mobility is the key to the game these days, and Franson's mobility is not good enough.

Overall, I absolutely agree.  I think a few teams will see him as more than that is all I'm suggesting.  I think he's a bit better skater than given credit for a times but hey.. maybe it's just me seeing "potential" or something.

I said something similar about Franson in that he would do better in a situation where he didn't have to be the defensive guy on his pair. He needs to have a d-man he can lean on in that regard, not the other way around.

If the Leafs could move Franson and bring in a defensive d-man, even as a #6 who is reliable and can stabilize Gardiner or Rielly then our blueline could take a much needed turn for the better. Much like he and Fraser were last year before the wheels fell off this year.

I think Franson actually does quite well considering how slow he appears at times.  He may have been hurt a bit this year by no training camp too.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 04, 2014, 10:48:26 AM
I thought you meant for selling 'high' kind of purpose, being that prices are usually high at the deadline. For his salary, I don't mind his PK ability or playing the 4th line.

So I agree, you'd definitely wait and see how Bolland and McClement work in the 3 and 4 holes. Sort that out in the summer.

No, I am talking about selling high and moving them at the deadline. It's risky with Bolland's situation, but unless the doctors and everybody involved are just wildly inaccurate with their assessments of him he's going to be playing somewhat soon. And even if McClement is moved and Bolland isn't ready right away we can still run Bozak-Kadri-Kulemin-Holland for a few games.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2014, 10:53:24 AM
exactly, plus how long had Phaneuf been on the ice when that happened... I'm guessing he wasn't fresh off the bench?  (Honestly haven't looked)

As someone who did watch it, I think all of us have seen enough instances of that play, where a defenseman fails to hold a line and  someone gets past him for a breakaway that we can still judge footspeed in that situation relative to other hockey players.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 04, 2014, 10:56:21 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night.

The reasons he gets beat at times like that have a lot more to do with decisions than his feet not keeping up with what his brain is telling them to do.

I'm not so sure about that. The breakaway he gave up to Horton last night was a clear case of him not having anything resembling the ability to skate well. They were on even par at the blue line and by the redline Horton was 5 strides ahead of them. It's tough to explain considering it only takes 2 or 3 strides to cover that space usually.

That's probably because Phaneuf was starting at a stand-still and Horton was in mid-flight.  It's pretty damn tough to recover and catch someone from a stand-still unless you have elite skating - and not like Horton is particularly slow either.

It's like you get a notice when someone says something poor about Phaneuf. ;D

I'm trying to find a clip of the Horton breakaway but haven't as of yet.

If I remember correctly though, Phaneuf and Horton battled for the puck at the blue line with Horton pushing the puck past Phaneuf and then walking around him to pick it up and subsequently blow Dion out of the water.

Now, I'll give you that Horton was facing the direction he wanted to go and therefore had the advantage as Phaneuf had to turn around but to say Horton was in mid flight is a bit of an exaggeration.
(As was my point that Phaneuf was 5 strides behind him by the red line).

Note: I was constantly rolling my eyes watching the game and my recollection of the play may be a bit clouded.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 04, 2014, 11:08:03 AM
No, I am talking about selling high and moving them at the deadline. It's risky with Bolland's situation, but unless the doctors and everybody involved are just wildly inaccurate with their assessments of him he's going to be playing somewhat soon. And even if McClement is moved and Bolland isn't ready right away we can still run Bozak-Kadri-Kulemin-Holland for a few games.

I don't mind that, but it's probably a bit lacking in the experience department if the Leafs have any aspirations of playing playoff hockey or doing anything in said playoffs.

Bolland to me is 100% about contract demands and if the high price is correct (rumoured), even the middle ground between the Leafs and him is a bit too much for me.

McClement on the other hand, if a team wants him bad enough and gives Nonis an inflated return, I think we could replace him from within and or in the summer. Not sure if that will happen though.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 04, 2014, 11:16:12 AM
Suggesting he "can skate" doesn't mean he's Bobby Orr.  It's not his skating that gets him into trouble.

His skating is absolutely part of what gets him into trouble.

I don't really agree and I heard a lot of the same things said about Phaneuf a few years ago.

I said the same thing about Phaneuf yesterday.

Yeah, I mean Phaneuf got walked around at least 3 times last night.

The reasons he gets beat at times like that have a lot more to do with decisions than his feet not keeping up with what his brain is telling them to do.

I'm not so sure about that. The breakaway he gave up to Horton last night was a clear case of him not having anything resembling the ability to skate well. They were on even par at the blue line and by the redline Horton was 5 strides ahead of them. It's tough to explain considering it only takes 2 or 3 strides to cover that space usually.

That's probably because Phaneuf was starting at a stand-still and Horton was in mid-flight.  It's pretty damn tough to recover and catch someone from a stand-still unless you have elite skating - and not like Horton is particularly slow either.

It's like you get a notice when someone says something poor about Phaneuf. ;D

Well it was the thread I most recently commented in, not exactly digging through the boards to find this.

Will try to see if I can find the clip.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 04, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
It's like you get a notice when someone says something poor about Phaneuf. ;D

I'm trying to find a clip of the Horton breakaway but haven't as of yet.

If I remember correctly though, Phaneuf and Horton battled for the puck at the blue line with Horton pushing the puck past Phaneuf and then walking around him to pick it up and subsequently blow Dion out of the water.

Now, I'll give you that Horton was facing the direction he wanted to go and therefore had the advantage as Phaneuf had to turn around but to say Horton was in mid flight is a bit of an exaggeration.
(As was my point that Phaneuf was 5 strides behind him by the red line).

Note: I was constantly rolling my eyes watching the game and my recollection of the play may be a bit clouded.

I'm ok with the argument about Phaneuf's skating (though I think he's a decent skater.) However, this particularly play isn't a good example of his deficiency. He was caught standing still and had to turn. He didn't have a chance.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: iwas11in67 on March 04, 2014, 12:29:19 PM
Rumour - Brodeur to Minnesota

Sorry I deleted the email I received. Some beat reporter in NJ was reporting it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 04, 2014, 12:46:14 PM
Amazing the lack of rumors around the Leafs, either that means nothing at is happening, or Nonis and crew doesn't tip off anything.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 04, 2014, 12:46:24 PM
I go back and forth on how I'd label Phaneuf's skating.

He's got an ugly stride but he's always managed to get around. He was definitely a much more dynamic skater in his first few NHL years, but I mean, that's pretty much characteristic of a lot of players as they progress toward 30 and beyond.

And there are many guys around the league slower than he is (e.g. Chara or Markov) but when I look at the new breed of smooth skating D-men that have entered the league in the last few years, he doesn't hold up well against them.

So I guess it's really a matter of where you're drawing your comparisons.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2014, 12:54:16 PM
I'm ok with the argument about Phaneuf's skating (though I think he's a decent skater.) However, this particularly play isn't a good example of his deficiency. He was caught standing still and had to turn. He didn't have a chance.

Except nobody is judging him solely by the fact that he didn't catch up. It was a perfect example of his skating speed in a flat footed situation which every player finds themselves in and which you can use to evaluate speed.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 01:04:08 PM
Rumour - Brodeur to Minnesota

Sorry I deleted the email I received. Some beat reporter in NJ was reporting it.

Doesn't seem like there's much to this one, considering this:

mirtle: I'm told Halak to the Wild is "close."

The Halak to Minnesota rumours have been swirling since before the Miller deal was official. The Brodeur stuff only came out after - like it was a negotiating tactic more than an actual trade that's going to happen.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 04, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
Rumour - Brodeur to Minnesota

Sorry I deleted the email I received. Some beat reporter in NJ was reporting it.

Doesn't seem like there's much to this one, considering this:

mirtle: I'm told Halak to the Wild is "close."

The Halak to Minnesota rumours have been swirling since before the Miller deal was official. The Brodeur stuff only came out after - like it was a negotiating tactic more than an actual trade that's going to happen.

Brodeur or Brygalov.  Honest mistake by the NJ reporter.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 04, 2014, 04:19:35 PM
I'm ok with the argument about Phaneuf's skating (though I think he's a decent skater.) However, this particularly play isn't a good example of his deficiency. He was caught standing still and had to turn. He didn't have a chance.

Except nobody is judging him solely by the fact that he didn't catch up. It was a perfect example of his skating speed in a flat footed situation which every player finds themselves in and which you can use to evaluate speed.

Just to be nitpicky, that's actually a good situation to evaluate his acceleration and quickness at turning, not really his speed. I think he shows good speed when moving the puck up ice.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2014, 04:45:47 PM
Just to be nitpicky, that's actually a good situation to evaluate his acceleration and quickness at turning, not really his speed. I think he shows good speed when moving the puck up ice.

If that's the case then 90% of what we talk about with regards to speed in the NHL is really acceleration and quickness at turning in which case, you know, the point stands. Dude is slow.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Highlander on March 04, 2014, 05:29:07 PM
With Loungo moving to Florida it does open up a possiblity of Reimer for Kessler and through in Bolland or Gardner or some picks.  Watching the last 3 games has changed my opinion on standing pat.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 05:31:21 PM
With Loungo moving to Florida it does open up a possiblity of Reimer for Kessler and through in Bolland or Gardner or some picks.  Watching the last 3 games has changed my opinion on standing pat.

I don't think it does. Vancouver is likely set on running with Lack/Markstrom for the rest of the season. If they do target a goalie, it will likely be someone more established than Reimer.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 04, 2014, 05:32:51 PM
With Loungo moving to Florida it does open up a possiblity of Reimer for Kessler and through in Bolland or Gardner or some picks.  Watching the last 3 games has changed my opinion on standing pat.

I don't think it does. Vancouver is likely set on running with Lack/Markstrom for the rest of the season. If they do target a goalie, it will likely be someone more established than Reimer.

Or, at the very least, you'd have to figure that their potential interest in Reimer would be related to him being available for a relatively cheap price.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: #1PilarFan on March 04, 2014, 06:02:32 PM
With Loungo moving to Florida it does open up a possiblity of Reimer for Kessler and through in Bolland or Gardner or some picks.  Watching the last 3 games has changed my opinion on standing pat.

I don't think it does. Vancouver is likely set on running with Lack/Markstrom for the rest of the season. If they do target a goalie, it will likely be someone more established than Reimer.
Even if they don't go that route and decide to trade Kesler, I think it's safe to say he's worth more than Reimer/Bolland/Gardiner, at least in this market. Kesler's a wee bit overrated in my mind, but he'd definitely net a 1st + prospects at the very least.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 06:19:49 PM
Even if they don't go that route and decide to trade Kesler, I think it's safe to say he's worth more than Reimer/Bolland/Gardiner, at least in this market. Kesler's a wee bit overrated in my mind, but he'd definitely net a 1st + prospects at the very least.

Well, there's that, too. If they do move Kesler, that's more of a signal that they may be looking at a real rebuild. If that's the case, they already have the guys they're likely to run with in that scenario.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on March 04, 2014, 06:35:14 PM
and if they do start a rebuild...will they keep Gillis around to do it ? Tomorrow will be interesting for Vancouver...add or subtract ?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 06:36:56 PM
and if they do start a rebuild...will they keep Gillis around to do it ? Tomorrow will be interesting for Vancouver...add or subtract ?

The speculation right now is that, if Vancouver doesn't turn things around enough to make the playoffs (which seems unlikely), Gillis and Torts are likely on their way out.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: #1PilarFan on March 04, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
and if they do start a rebuild...will they keep Gillis around to do it ? Tomorrow will be interesting for Vancouver...add or subtract ?

The speculation right now is that, if Vancouver doesn't turn things around enough to make the playoffs (which seems unlikely), Gillis and Torts are likely on their way out.
If that's true, why wouldn't Gillis keep Luongo? He has a better chance making the playoffs with Lou than without him.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 04, 2014, 07:15:26 PM
If that's true, why wouldn't Gillis keep Luongo? He has a better chance making the playoffs with Lou than without him.

Cuz Gillis gotta Gillis.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: caveman on March 04, 2014, 07:36:20 PM
If that's true, why wouldn't Gillis keep Luongo? He has a better chance making the playoffs with Lou than without him.

Cuz Gillis gotta Gillis.

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sudafederov on March 04, 2014, 08:05:18 PM
and if they do start a rebuild...will they keep Gillis around to do it ? Tomorrow will be interesting for Vancouver...add or subtract ?

The speculation right now is that, if Vancouver doesn't turn things around enough to make the playoffs (which seems unlikely), Gillis and Torts are likely on their way out.
If that's true, why wouldn't Gillis keep Luongo? He has a better chance making the playoffs with Lou than without him.

Maybe Aquilini gave Gillis approximately 34, 000, 000 reasons why he shouldn't keep him.  ;D
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 02:10:34 AM
and if they do start a rebuild...will they keep Gillis around to do it ? Tomorrow will be interesting for Vancouver...add or subtract ?

What's funny is that Vancouver is near the bottom of the league in terms of having young players/prospects within the organization.

Can't think of what other teams, if any, are lower on the totem pole right now.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 05, 2014, 07:50:57 AM
How about Clarkson (retain 15% $787,500 for 6 more years) for Sam Gagner $4.8 MIL + $787,500 would make a cap hit of $5,587,500 for 2 years rather than $5,250,000 for 6 years.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 08:08:59 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Nothing in the works, but if the Leafs do something today...it will be big or nothing. Let the Gardiner, Kadri rumours fly.

Translation: Watch TSN all day please.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 05, 2014, 08:34:09 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Nothing in the works, but if the Leafs do something today...it will be big or nothing. Let the Gardiner, Kadri rumours fly.

Translation: Watch TSN all day please.

Pretty much, and it will end up being the 'nothing' part that happens.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on March 05, 2014, 08:34:32 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger Let the Gardiner, Kadri rumours fly.

(http://i.minus.com/iCbW1x1WtOs5B.gif)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 08:37:18 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Nothing in the works, but if the Leafs do something today...it will be big or nothing. Let the Gardiner, Kadri rumours fly.

Translation: Watch TSN all day please.

LOL, "something, or nothing".  Way to go out on a limb there Darren.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bill_Berg on March 05, 2014, 08:57:37 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger
Nothing in the works, but if the Leafs do something today...it will be big or nothing. Let the Gardiner, Kadri rumours fly.

Translation: Watch TSN all day please.

Terrible. The Leafs probably won't do either 'nothing' or 'something big'. They'll trade a mid round draft pick for an average player. Exactly the opposite of what old double D is saying.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 09:01:24 AM
wtf?! guy on guitar singing Bobby Lou?? on TSN. Seriously?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 09:17:08 AM
Why is Ales Hemsky the most overhyped player at the deadline every year.  What part of seasons of 22, 42, 36, 20, and 26 point to him as being a scorer anymore?  Yes, that's a biased view of him because of his injury shortened seasons but the guy is a 40-50 point player at best anymore.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 09:21:30 AM

Here's a hypothetical. Would anyone do Clarkson for Ehrhoff?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:23:45 AM
In a second.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:25:39 AM
Renaud Lavoie says that the Leafs are actively looking for a defenseman.

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@LavoieRenaud

Hearing Maple Leafs are looking actively  for a D today. But not a lot of space under the cap. #tvasports
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 09:28:22 AM

Here's a hypothetical. Would anyone do Clarkson for Ehrhoff?

Absolutely. Ehrhoff's cap hit is great. The length is scary as hell, but for Clarkson that's fine.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 09:38:02 AM
Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger Let the Gardiner, Kadri rumours fly.

(http://i.minus.com/iCbW1x1WtOs5B.gif)

Still laughing! Good stuff Shrimp.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 09:38:34 AM
Yeah, that might have been too easy. So...is there a contract in the league you wouldn't take for Clarkson one for one?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 09:41:02 AM
Why is Ales Hemsky the most overhyped player at the deadline every year.  What part of seasons of 22, 42, 36, 20, and 26 point to him as being a scorer anymore?  Yes, that's a biased view of him because of his injury shortened seasons but the guy is a 40-50 point player at best anymore.

Here's one argument: http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/numbers-game-who-should-nhl-general-managers-target-and-avoid-at-the-deadline

Basically he's still a reasonably productive player, has decent-to-good possession numbers and I guess this season at least has spent a lot of time with Gordon/Smyth, who are pretty bad offensively.

I think he's a guy that could probably flourish on a better team.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 09:42:08 AM
Why is Ales Hemsky the most overhyped player at the deadline every year.  What part of seasons of 22, 42, 36, 20, and 26 point to him as being a scorer anymore?  Yes, that's a biased view of him because of his injury shortened seasons but the guy is a 40-50 point player at best anymore.

He'll finally get traded, he's a UFA after this season.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 10:09:44 AM
Not a trade but Stamkos makes his return.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 10:16:45 AM
Yeah, that might have been too easy. So...is there a contract in the league you wouldn't take for Clarkson one for one?

Maybe some of the guys on long-term contracts with some serious injury issues, but, even then, I'd probably do it for most/all of them.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:20:35 AM
Yeah, that might have been too easy. So...is there a contract in the league you wouldn't take for Clarkson one for one?

Maybe some of the guys on long-term contracts with some serious injury issues, but, even then, I'd probably do it for most/all of them.

I'm more concerned about his contract now that there's talk of the cap not going as high next season as was initially projected due to the weak Canadian dollar.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 10:29:11 AM
Don't forget the $7 million we forked out for your idol either. Another one we will regret down the road. I guarantee those two will be bought out or traded before they end. 2 mistakes by Nonis especially the duration.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 10:34:06 AM

Well, here's my Leafs trade deadline wishlist:

1. Jaromir Jagr(Raymond and a future 2nd?)
2. Christian Ehrhoff(Clarkson and a first)
3. Draft picks(in the form of trading Reimer/Bolland)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 10:40:51 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 10:43:02 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.

There's also Ryan O'Rielly... just sayin'
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 10:44:28 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.

So is Colorado's plan to, at some point, just play 5 centers at once? I believe it was GZA of the Wu Tang Clan who said "You need to diversify your bonds..." and then a word I'd be uncomfortable typing.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 10:44:45 AM
Does anybody have a stream of the goings on? Tradecenter or Sportscrap.... anything? Pulling my hair out looking for one with little success.

If it's on the TSN site, I'll feel dumb, because I looked.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:45:06 AM
Does anybody have a stream of the goings on? Tradecenter or Sportscrap.... anything? Pulling my hair out looking for one with little success.

If it's on the TSN site, I'll feel dumb, because I looked.

Supposed to be on NHL.com

Here: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=616&id=567098&lang=en

Doesn't seem to work for me, but maybe it will for you.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 10:48:12 AM
David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod  54s
But could the Maple Leafs anti-up for Alex Edler? Perhaps. Leafs won't deal Reilly, but Gardiner could to be included. Kadri? We'll see.

I wonder if something around Gardiner and Reimer for Edler would work. I think Edler would be a great acquisition. If it was Gardiner and Kadri I'd think there would be another significant piece coming back with Edler but Edler is 27 and has more 5 years more at 5M so it wouldn't be a rental.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 10:48:42 AM
Supposed to be on NHL.com

Thanks checking now.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:49:15 AM
Supposed to be on NHL.com

Thanks checking now.

Just edited my post with a link.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 10:49:49 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.

Am I the enthusiastic Leafs fan who gets hyped up over any NHL news? LOL
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
David Pagnotta ‏@TheFourthPeriod  54s
But could the Maple Leafs anti-up for Alex Edler? Perhaps. Leafs won't deal Reilly, but Gardiner could to be included. Kadri? We'll see.

I wonder if something around Gardiner and Reimer for Edler would work. I think Edler would be a great acquisition. If it was Gardiner and Kadri I'd think there would be another significant piece coming back with Edler but Edler is 27 and has more 5 years more at 5M so it wouldn't be a rental.

I legitimately think the team would be nuts to trade Kadri at this point. For just about anyone.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 10:51:10 AM
I wonder if something around Gardiner and Reimer for Edler would work. I think Edler would be a great acquisition. If it was Gardiner and Kadri I'd think there would be another significant piece coming back with Edler but Edler is 27 and has more 5 years more at 5M so it wouldn't be a rental.

As much as I'd prefer to keep him, Gardiner and something for Edler is something I probably do, as long as that something isn't someone like Kadri.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:52:40 AM
Trading Kadri would be dumb.  Leafs need to maximize the value they are getting from contracts under the cap, especially with Clarkson's deal.  Home-grown 60 pt C.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 10:53:41 AM
I wonder if something around Gardiner and Reimer for Edler would work. I think Edler would be a great acquisition. If it was Gardiner and Kadri I'd think there would be another significant piece coming back with Edler but Edler is 27 and has more 5 years more at 5M so it wouldn't be a rental.

As much as I'd prefer to keep him, Gardiner and something for Edler is something I probably do, as long as that something isn't someone like Kadri.

I agree, I have no problems parting with Gardiner, Kadri is a whole other case though.  Where do the Leafs get a solid #2C if they deal Kadri at this age?  We have no idea what his ceiling is yet either.  Leafs aren't in the contender status where you start dealing young guys for aging vets so dealing a guy like Kadri makes no sense.  In Gardiner's case, they have Rielly in the system so it doesn't hurt as much, especially if you get a solid defenseman back in the deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 10:53:54 AM
Supposed to be on NHL.com

Thanks checking now.

Just edited my post with a link.

Yeah, it doesn't work for me either. Maybe they're not live yet until noon? To the right it says "coming up".
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 10:55:41 AM
Supposed to be on NHL.com

Thanks checking now.

Just edited my post with a link.

Yeah, it doesn't work for me either. Maybe they're not live yet until noon? To the right it says "coming up".

Wondering if it might be a stream for U.S. only.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Trading Kadri would be dumb.  Leafs need to maximize the value they are getting from contracts under the cap, especially with Clarkson's deal.  Home-grown 60 pt C.

I agree, but I also don't see Nonis thinking about that very long or doing it for that matter. I think it would have to be for a better version of Kadri, who would that be anyway?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 10:56:53 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.

Am I the enthusiastic Leafs fan who gets hyped up over any NHL news? LOL

I thought you were the one who was big on trading for Statsny, maybe I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 10:56:54 AM
Wondering if it might be a stream for U.S. only.

Could be.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:02:24 AM
Quote
@NHLonTSN 

McKenzie hearing that St. Louis to Rangers is really ramping up. #TradeCentre

Callahan going the other way?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 11:03:06 AM
Quote
@NHLonTSN 

McKenzie hearing that St. Louis to Rangers is really ramping up. #TradeCentre

Callahan going the other way?

Bob was saying Callahan + picks

Also talking about Gaborik to LA
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 11:05:29 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.

Am I the enthusiastic Leafs fan who gets hyped up over any NHL news? LOL

I thought you were the one who was big on trading for Statsny, maybe I'm mistaken.

I've heard the rumors, I probably even wanted Statsny, not sure how "big" I was on him though.  The rumors go back to last year too.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: lamajama on March 05, 2014, 11:06:20 AM

Well, here's my Leafs trade deadline wishlist:

1. Jaromir Jagr(Raymond and a future 2nd?)
2. Christian Ehrhoff(Clarkson and a first)
3. Draft picks(in the form of trading Reimer/Bolland)

and a first? Yikes!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 11:08:13 AM
Hello, Pierre. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:08:42 AM
and a first? Yikes!

I don't think that sort of deal gets done otherwise.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:08:46 AM
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie  1m
It's believed COL has made multi-year contract offer to soon to be UFA C Paul Stastny. If he doesn't sign, trade is still a possibility.


Calm down, Zee.

Am I the enthusiastic Leafs fan who gets hyped up over any NHL news? LOL

I thought you were the one who was big on trading for Statsny, maybe I'm mistaken.

I've heard the rumors, I probably even wanted Statsny, not sure how "big" I was on him though.  The rumors go back to last year too.

God, you and Stastny get a room already.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:09:26 AM
Quote
@NHLonTSN 

McKenzie hearing that St. Louis to Rangers is really ramping up. #TradeCentre

Callahan going the other way?

Bob was saying Callahan + picks

Also talking about Gaborik to LA

Hefty price:

Quote
@TSNBobMcKenzie 

No official confirmations (yet) but hearing NYR are prepared to trade Callahan, plus 1st rd pick and 2nd rd pick for Marty St. Louis. Close.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:11:03 AM

I'll never forgive the two major Canadian networks for making me choose between being yelled at by Pierre Maguire or being yelled at by Doug McLean.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: AvroArrow on March 05, 2014, 11:11:12 AM
Wondering if it might be a stream for U.S. only.

Could be.

Try here: http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=301273
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 11:13:08 AM

Hefty price:

Yup, if that's the deal. I don't think I'd do that if I were Sather.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 11:14:47 AM
Wondering if it might be a stream for U.S. only.

Could be.

Try here: http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=301273

Thanks so much, that works...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:15:17 AM

Hefty price:

Yup, if that's the deal. I don't think I'd do that if I were Sather.

Actually, they're saying that Callahan would just be a rental, so on second thought not that big of a price to pay.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: #1PilarFan on March 05, 2014, 11:17:42 AM
St. Louis is old, but he's still a great player. As for Callahan, I guess I'm in the minority when I say I don't think much of him. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 11:19:24 AM
Renaud Lavoie says its a done deal now.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 11:20:48 AM

Hefty price:

Yup, if that's the deal. I don't think I'd do that if I were Sather.

Actually, they're saying that Callahan would just be a rental, so on second thought not that big of a price to pay.

Yeah, if Callahan signs back in NY. I don't believe Callahan is worth what he's asking and probably would have traded him also, but I think I would have kept that 2nd rounder.

Yzerman is going to try and sign Callahan if he trades for him, no?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 11:21:57 AM
I'd do Gardiner and Reimer for Edler. Although it'd suck to see two players that I really like in a Canucks jersey.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:22:20 AM
Yzerman is going to try and sign Callahan if he trades for him, no?

The thinking is no, which seems strange, but, at the same time, St Louis has become somewhat of an unnecessary distraction. TBay may in fact be thinking of flipping him.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:26:44 AM

If Callahan could get flipped for another first and a prospect that would be a very reasonable return for St. Louis, especially if he wants out.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:26:59 AM
Will MSL play tonight?  Would be good to play them without Callahan and MSL.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:28:37 AM
Will MSL play tonight?  Would be good to play them without Callahan and MSL.

I imagine there's plenty time for MSL to get to NYC for tonight's game.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 05, 2014, 11:29:10 AM
Yzerman is going to try and sign Callahan if he trades for him, no?

The thinking is no, which seems strange, but, at the same time, St Louis has become somewhat of an unnecessary distraction. TBay may in fact be thinking of flipping him.

Yeah, it's kind of developing here, but Dreger just said Tampa may have to give up a pick if he does sign.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:30:01 AM
Will MSL play tonight?  Would be good to play them without Callahan and MSL.

I imagine there's plenty time for MSL to get to NYC for tonight's game.

Thought maybe there would be red tape...fax machines jamming...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 11:30:24 AM
On TSN done deal MSL for Callahan first in 15 second rounder in 14
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:31:08 AM
Will MSL play tonight?  Would be good to play them without Callahan and MSL.

I imagine there's plenty time for MSL to get to NYC for tonight's game.

Thought maybe there would be red tape...fax machines jamming...

The Leafs aren't involved in the deal. No fax machines to be jammed.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 11:31:28 AM
Yeah, that might have been too easy. So...is there a contract in the league you wouldn't take for Clarkson one for one?

The only ones that I would avoid would be players who could rake up a huge recapture penalty if they retire early. But I think for the most part those contracts are structured so the team that signed them gets the penalty, or at least the vast majority of it.

So to answer your question, probably not.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 11:31:52 AM
I'd do Gardiner and Reimer for Edler. Although it'd suck to see two players that I really like in a Canucks jersey.

Yeah.  That would be a pretty big upgrade on defense. 

As for St. Louis to the Rangers.  The Rangers get better and I think Tampa gets worse in the short term (but the draft picks are nice).  That probably helps the Leafs playoff chances.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Rob on March 05, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
PHANEUF NOT ON ICE AT PRACTICE!!! 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:34:52 AM
As for St. Louis to the Rangers.  The Rangers get better and I think Tampa gets worse in the short term (but the draft picks are nice).  That probably helps the Leafs playoff chances.

TBay does get Stamkos back today, though, all in all, they probably come out ahead of where they were when we woke up this morning. With the Rangers improving, it actually probably hurts the Leafs chances.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 11:38:03 AM
Wow, that St. Louis deal is awful.

St.Louis for a 2014 2nd + 2015 1st

IF New York makes the Conference Finals they give up a 2014 1st
IF Tampa re-signs Callahan they give up a 2015 2nd and get New York's 7th
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 11:38:05 AM
PHANEUF NOT ON ICE AT PRACTICE!!!

:-)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:40:10 AM
Wow, that St. Louis deal is awful.

St.Louis for a 2014 2nd + 2015 1st

IF New York makes the Conference Finals they give up a 2014 1st
IF Tampa re-signs Callahan they give up a 2015 2nd and get New York's 7th

I think it has to be seen in the context of the Rangers realizing that Callahan wasn't going to be re-signed. At that point if it becomes dealing Callahan for a first or whatever vs. using him to try and make a run at it...it's tough.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:41:20 AM
Wow, that St. Louis deal is awful.

St.Louis for a 2014 2nd + 2015 1st

IF New York makes the Conference Finals they give up a 2014 1st
IF Tampa re-signs Callahan they give up a 2015 2nd and get New York's 7th

St Louis is basically a perennial top 10 scorer. That's what adding a guy like that costs. And, really, if the Rags make the Conference Finals, the pick they give up this year is, at best, 27th overall. Not exactly a pick that's likely to yield an elite talent.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 11:43:13 AM
Wow, that St. Louis deal is awful.

St.Louis for a 2014 2nd + 2015 1st

IF New York makes the Conference Finals they give up a 2014 1st
IF Tampa re-signs Callahan they give up a 2015 2nd and get New York's 7th

St Louis is basically a perennial top 10 scorer. That's what adding a guy like that costs. And, really, if the Rags make the Conference Finals, the pick they give up this year is, at best, 27th overall. Not exactly a pick that's likely to yield an elite talent.

The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:46:31 AM
The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

This isn't a rental situation, though. St Louis will still be a Ranger next season. A late 1st in a weaker draft (if they go deep in this year's playoffs) is really not a big price to pay, at all. The pick next year . . . well, with their goaltending and everything, that's also probably in the back half of the 1st round, which is also no big deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 11:46:38 AM
Fasth is still not in Edmonton since his trade.  St. Louis is likely to play tonight for New York though.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:47:27 AM
The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

St. Louis isn't a rental though. He's got a year left on his deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:50:06 AM
The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

This isn't a rental situation, though. St Louis will still be a Ranger next season. A late 1st in a weaker draft (if they go deep in this year's playoffs) is really not a big price to pay, at all. The pick next year . . . well, with their goaltending and everything, that's also probably in the back half of the 1st round, which is also no big deal.

Someone on twitter said it's like 2 rentals: a 1st for St. Louis this season and a 1st for St. Louis next season. 
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 11:50:59 AM
The Rangers aren't even a playoff lock, and they're making moves as if they're a Stanley cup contender?  Giving away high draft picks for an aging star makes no sense.

St. Louis isn't a rental though. He's got a year left on his deal.

Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 11:51:54 AM
Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:52:21 AM
Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

Guy's been a PPG or significantly more for 8 straight years.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 11:52:44 AM
Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

He's also shown absolutely no signs of slowing down. It's not like he's likely to just fall off a cliff next season. He's still going to be a significant contributor for them.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:54:53 AM
Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

Well, it matters in the sense that it's not really a "Stanley Cup Contender" kind of move. A first and a second, or a first and a first, for a top 15 scorer is a straight up hockey move.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 11:56:38 AM
Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

It won't push them from a bubble team to a contender no.  He's been on Tampa for years with Stamkos and they weren't a threat, who's to say he'll suddenly make the Rangers into an offensive powerhouse?  If the Rangers don't make the finals this year or next, this deal is stupid.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 11:58:43 AM
Who cares, the Rangers are a bubble team, tied with the 2nd wild card team in points and St. Louis will be 39 before next season.  Stupid trade.

You don't think a top-10 scorer can push them past being a bubble team?

It won't push them from a bubble team to a contender no.  He's been on Tampa for years with Stamkos and they weren't a threat, who's to say he'll suddenly make the Rangers into an offensive powerhouse?  If the Rangers don't make the finals this year or next, this deal is stupid.

But the Rangers have been a better team than Tampa, and without Stamkos most of the season St. Louis has been the main offensive weapon keeping Tampa high in the EC standings.

Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 12:00:54 PM
Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

Bad goaltending and bad defence, both of which are definitely not problems in New York. They've always been missing that go-to scoring forward. St. Louis could definitely be that missing piece that makes them a legitimate threat.

edit: in fact, if St. Louis meshes well I might just consider them the favourites in the east.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 12:02:22 PM
Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

Bad goaltending and bad defence, both of which are definitely not problems in New York. They've always been missing that go-to scoring forward. St. Louis could definitely be that missing piece that makes them a legitimate threat.

Remains to be seen, but it's a huge price to pay.   If it doesn't work the Rangers have made a really bad trade.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
Just because Tampa hasn't had good teams in recent years (bad goaltending) doesn't mean he wouldn't give the Rangers a boost.

Bad goaltending and bad defence, both of which are definitely not problems in New York. They've always been missing that go-to scoring forward. St. Louis could definitely be that missing piece that makes them a legitimate threat.

Remains to be seen, but it's a huge price to pay.   If it doesn't work the Rangers have made a really bad trade.

I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 12:05:47 PM
I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

I agree in general, both about the way 1st round picks are overvalued and that this isn't too big a price, but it being a 2015 first rounder is a little concerning. A 1st this year is, at worst, going to be a pick from 10-15 but next year it could be anything.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 12:06:22 PM
I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

Especially picks at the end of the round. They usually don't turn into much of value.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 12:10:32 PM
I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

Especially picks at the end of the round. They usually don't turn into much of value.

We're talking about the 2015 pick though, nobody knows if the Rangers will be a top 5 or bottom 5 team next year, anything can happen.  I personally don't think that St. Louis suddenly turns the Rangers from a bubble playoff team to a contender but we'll see.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 12:12:17 PM
We're talking about the 2015 pick though, nobody knows if the Rangers will be a top 5 or bottom 5 team next year, anything can happen.  I personally don't think that St. Louis suddenly turns the Rangers from a bubble playoff team to a contender but we'll see.

We can't say for sure, no, but, considering the talent on their roster, the likely worst case scenario for that pick is falling into the 12-18 range.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 12:28:43 PM
PHANEUF NOT ON ICE AT PRACTICE!!!

Wishful thinking
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 12:33:15 PM
I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

Especially picks at the end of the round. They usually don't turn into much of value.

Plus Lundqvist is 32, Nash is 29, Richards is 33 - you have to go for it now, especially with the East being pretty weak this season.  Chances are if it doesn't work out they can recoup picks for some of those guys.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 12:34:46 PM
Hemsky to Ottawa for a 3rd and 5th. I like Hemsky but often injured but  Leafs should have grabbed him for that price. Definitely help your top 6. Keep sleeping Nonis.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Andy on March 05, 2014, 12:36:51 PM
Hemsky to Ottawa for a 3rd and 5th. I like Hemsky but often injured but  Leafs should have grabbed him for that price. Definitely help your top 6. Keep sleeping Nonis.

Are you aware of things such as the salary cap and what acquiring players for picks entails?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 12:38:43 PM
Hemsky to Ottawa for a 3rd and 5th. I like Hemsky but often injured but  Leafs should have grabbed him for that price. Definitely help your top 6. Keep sleeping Nonis.

Not at all what the Leafs need. Trading for him would have been an absolute waste of assets.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 12:44:51 PM
Hemsky to Ottawa for a 3rd and 5th. I like Hemsky but often injured but  Leafs should have grabbed him for that price. Definitely help your top 6. Keep sleeping Nonis.

Not at all what the Leafs need. Trading for him would have been an absolute waste of assets.

Well if u guys think 3rd and 5th round pucks are assets then good luck. Picks are a crap shoot some players drafted in the 1st round don't even make it or pan out. Also yes I understand the cap. Not sure if they could have done something equivalent to Ottawa taking the cap into consideration. Leafs can score and it's not their problem but Hemsky if healthy is easily top 6 on this team. Like you said the other day Leafs problem isn't defence it's team defence and I've been saying that for years now also.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 12:47:30 PM
Well if u guys think 3rd and 5th round pucks are assets then good luck. Picks are a crap shoot some players drafted in the 1st round don't even make it or pan out. Also yes I understand the cap. Not sure if they could have done something equivalent to Ottawa taking the cap into consideration. Leafs can score and it's not their problem but Hemsky if healthy is easily top 6 on this team. Like you said the other day Leafs problem isn't defence it's team defence and I've been saying that for years now also.

They're not just assets to be used to draft players. They're assets that can be used to acquire players that actually address some of the team's needs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 12:47:53 PM
Hemsky wouldn't fit as things stand, but next season if the Leafs let Raymond/Kulemin/Bolland walk I might take a look at him if he comes cheap:

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Hemsky
Kulemin/x-Bolland/x-Clarkson
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 12:53:26 PM
Hemsky to Ottawa for a 3rd and 5th. I like Hemsky but often injured but  Leafs should have grabbed him for that price. Definitely help your top 6. Keep sleeping Nonis.

Who do you think he bumps out of the top 6 on the Leafs?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 12:56:59 PM
Hemsky wouldn't fit as things stand, but next season if the Leafs let Raymond/Kulemin/Bolland walk I might take a look at him if he comes cheap:

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Hemsky
Kulemin/x-Bolland/x-Clarkson

That's exactly where he'd fit so you don't think he would help as things stand like you say. Doesn't hurt to have more offence the way this team struggles in their own end. Definitely help to make the playoffs which isn't a given yet. Personally I think the way the top line is carrying us if the 2 net minders don't steal a few more games like early in the season we won't make it.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 12:59:01 PM
That's exactly where he'd fit so you don't think he would help as things stand like you say. Doesn't hurt to have more offence the way this team struggles in their own end. Definitely help to make the playoffs which isn't a given yet. Personally I think the way the top line is carrying us if the 2 net minders don't steal a few more games like early in the season we won't make it.

With all those players signed though there isn't enough cap space to fit him in. Unless Bolland is gone for the season, but I'm sure they aren't ruling him out. It would also push a Raymond or Clarkson to the 4th line and while I'd be fine with either there I don't think the team is.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 01:02:51 PM
Dubnyk to Mtl. Hmmm Price's injury more significant?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on March 05, 2014, 01:13:26 PM
Wasn't Dubnyk on waivers?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: azzurri63 on March 05, 2014, 01:16:18 PM
Wasn't Dubnyk on waivers?

Not sure but Dubnyk for future considerations
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 01:18:53 PM
Gaborik + Columbus holding a big chunk of his salary to LA for a player and draft pick
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 05, 2014, 01:19:21 PM
Gaborik to Kings looking like it's official
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 01:19:32 PM
Wasn't Dubnyk on waivers?

He was, but, Nashville retained salary in the trade.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
I don't think it's that big of a price to pay for one of the top scorers in the league on a good deal.  I think sometimes 1st round picks are highly over-valued.

Especially picks at the end of the round. They usually don't turn into much of value.

Plus Lundqvist is 32, Nash is 29, Richards is 33 - you have to go for it now, especially with the East being pretty weak this season.  Chances are if it doesn't work out they can recoup picks for some of those guys.

Bingo. No one in the East is that strong except for Pittsburgh and Boston, and even they have pretty big weaknesses.

I have serious doubts that Boston's defense will hold up the way it is if they don't make additions as of this afternoon. Seidenberg is down for the season, they've already lost Ference, and Chara is 1 year older.

Pittsburgh has a goalie who might implode any time under pressure. You just never know with that guy.

Before today and before the whole St. Louis wants to be a princess in New York thing came out, I would have ranked Tampa Bay as the next best team. But now I'm not so sure.

New York might be the 3rd best team and with a good enough back-end to be the team that comes out on top of the East.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 01:28:12 PM
Frattin + 2nd round pick + conditional 3rd for Gaborik...and Columbus retains salary. 

Why does LA keep getting sweetheart deals to acquire players?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 01:30:31 PM
Man that TSN TRADEBREAKERS set has to be one of the ugliest, most poorly designed sets I've seen. It's like they completely lost their minds over there.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 01:30:52 PM
Frattin + 2nd round pick + conditional 3rd for Gaborik...and Columbus retains salary. 

Why does LA keep getting sweetheart deals to acquire players?

Well, in this case, it's because Gaborik is really broken down and has not been a reliable source of offence for two seasons.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 01:32:51 PM
Is Fasching really good? Or Deslaurier?

Seems like Buffalo gave up a lot to get them.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: OldTimeHockey on March 05, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
Man that TSN TRADEBREAKERS set has to be one of the ugliest, most poorly designed sets I've seen. It's like they completely lost their minds over there.


Could be worse, it could look like Sportsnet's terrible sets and sportscasters with their 1970's suits.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 01:35:25 PM
Is Fasching really good? Or Deslaurier?

Seems like Buffalo gave up a lot to get them.

Fasching is lighting up the NCAA - which is kind of tough to gauge. He looks like a boom or bust type that's still a few years away. Deslaurier is similar, in that he's a defenceman that was converted to playing up front this season, and is producing well in the AHL. Whether or not that translates is obviously the big question.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 01:37:58 PM
Man that TSN TRADEBREAKERS set has to be one of the ugliest, most poorly designed sets I've seen. It's like they completely lost their minds over there.


Could be worse, it could look like Sportsnet's terrible sets and sportscasters with their 1970's suits.

You are definitely right about that. The new ownership group needs to overhaul Sportsnet's image from the top down.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 01:39:02 PM
Is Fasching really good? Or Deslaurier?

Seems like Buffalo gave up a lot to get them.

Fasching is lighting up the NCAA - which is kind of tough to gauge. He looks like a boom or bust type that's still a few years away. Deslaurier is similar, in that he's a defenceman that was converted to playing up front this season, and is producing well in the AHL. Whether or not that translates is obviously the big question.

Ah ok. Thanks for the info.

I couldn't make heads or tails of what Buffalo's mindset was making that deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 05, 2014, 01:43:57 PM
Ryan O'Reilly would be a great deadline pickup for the Leafs. I don't see Colorado parting with him unless it's for a kings ransom, so I don't see it happening, but it wasn't too long ago that he wanted to be moved.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 01:45:50 PM
I couldn't make heads or tails of what Buffalo's mindset was making that deal.

Coming into today, they had three 2nd round picks in the 2014 draft. If they dealt the two that weren't their own, they picked up guys in return that are realistic equivalents to those they would have been able to find with those picks, but are a little closer to making the NHL.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 01:51:40 PM

Is there really anything gained by these interviews with the traded players? I don't think I've ever heard one that didn't sound like the player was giving half-hearted answers while looking for a hotel room online.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 01:56:48 PM
Is there really anything gained by these interviews with the traded players? I don't think I've ever heard one that didn't sound like the player was giving half-hearted answers while looking for a hotel room online.

It fills time. That's what's to be gained.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 01:58:41 PM
I couldn't make heads or tails of what Buffalo's mindset was making that deal.

Coming into today, they had three 2nd round picks in the 2014 draft. If they dealt the two that weren't their own, they picked up guys in return that are realistic equivalents to those they would have been able to find with those picks, but are a little closer to making the NHL.

Yeah apparently Fasching's stock has risen a lot so it's just a matter of me being a fan who hadn't heard of him yet.

McNabb was at one point decently reputed so I was a little surprised. Deslauriers came from the same draft but I'm guessing he has since surpassed him.

So at first glance it all seemed like a really weird deal.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 02:34:59 PM
Leafs front office looks super busy.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 02:36:09 PM
Leafs front office looks super busy.

Probably not even their actual war room.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
Leafs front office looks super busy.

Probably for the best given the team is barely a playoff team at this point but it's disappointing to watch the teams around them making moves.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on March 05, 2014, 02:39:43 PM
Leafs front office looks super busy.

Probably for the best given the team is barely a playoff team at this point but it's disappointing to watch the teams around them making moves.

i don't know about barely a playoff team ..but yeah.they're definitely not going on any kind of cup run
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 02:40:39 PM
coryworon: Told to expect Dave Nonis to address the media in Toronto right at 3ET  Could be wrong but sounds like nothing going on #TSN #Tradecentre
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 02:41:38 PM
i don't know about barely a playoff team ..but yeah.they're definitely not going on any kind of cup run

They're basically a coin flip in terms of making the playoffs, and the next couple weeks are tough for them. Could easily find themselves on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 02:45:46 PM
Here's the image for those who didn't see it:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh_OD6UCAAAWiof.jpg)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on March 05, 2014, 02:46:27 PM
i don't know about barely a playoff team ..but yeah.they're definitely not going on any kind of cup run

They're basically a coin flip in terms of making the playoffs, and the next couple weeks are tough for them. Could easily find themselves on the outside looking in.

i guess that's what i'm saying..is that more or less i don't think they will have trouble making it ..obviously i could be wrong..but that's just not my impression of the team
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 02:47:12 PM
So are the Isles going to trade Vanek or what?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 02:48:24 PM
So are the Isles going to trade Vanek or what?

Back to the Sabres for Moulson?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 02:57:54 PM
Where are the minor deals? Usually, there's at least a bunch of those.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 02:58:28 PM
Both Vanek/Moulson deals are probably already done, now it's just a matter of when they get reported to the media.

...Or you never know, the Isles might just defy all logic and hold on to Vanek.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:01:13 PM
I know trades often leak through after 3, but, you'd think the bigger ones would have at least found their way to someone to report. If Vanek was actually not moved, Snow has to be fired.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:01:57 PM
TSN practically begging people to keep watching until 4pm.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 05, 2014, 03:02:04 PM
I am a nut for the big trade like '93 Biggs, '86 Bolland, 86 Gunnarsson and '90 Gardiner for '81 Bieksa and '84 Kesler but those 'getting older and more experienced trades' only work when the team is close to being a contender.  I am pleased that Nonis hasn't mortgaged the future.

It would have been nice to see if Nik's idea of Clarkson for Edler had worked out.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:02:59 PM
A trade!

Real_ESPNLeBrun: Rangers get Diaz from Vancouver for a 5th-round pick
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:03:27 PM
FriedgeHNIC: Hard to pin down...but think there is something between Calgary and Colorado...hard to tell what it is or how big
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 03:06:15 PM
Calgary still going after O'Reilly?

And yeah, if Snow doesn't move Vanek, and doesn't re-sign him then....
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 03:07:37 PM
Calgary still going after O'Reilly?

And yeah, if Snow doesn't move Vanek, and doesn't re-sign him then....

Maybe Cammalleri to the Avs for a pick/prospect?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:07:44 PM
FriedgeHNIC: Kesler was not traded. VAN no moves other than Diaz.

No real surprise there.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on March 05, 2014, 03:08:49 PM
vanek must have been moved..like even some kind of pick would be better than nothing...unless the isles are planning to win all of their remaining games
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:09:20 PM
Calgary still going after O'Reilly?

And yeah, if Snow doesn't move Vanek, and doesn't re-sign him then....

Maybe Cammalleri to the Avs for a pick/prospect?

FriedgeHNIC: According to @adater, it is a small move between CAL/COL...believe it involves Reto Berra
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on March 05, 2014, 03:09:29 PM
FriedgeHNIC: Kesler was not traded. VAN no moves other than Diaz.

No real surprise there.

well..bar the fact that some kept speculating that vancouver might go on a mini rebuild
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Deebo on March 05, 2014, 03:10:11 PM
Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC  34s
Moulson and McCormick to MIN
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:10:43 PM
reporterchris: Martin Brodeur remains a member of the #NJDevils after the trade deadline. Hall of Fame goalie stays put.

Also not a surprise.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:11:48 PM
StapeNewsday: #Isles have traded Thomas Vanek, source says. Waiting to hear where and what's coming back.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 03:11:51 PM
Quote
@StapeNewsday 

#Isles have traded Thomas Vanek, source says. Waiting to hear where and what's coming back.

EDIT: LOG OFF BUSTA
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:12:51 PM
Quote
@StapeNewsday 

#Isles have traded Thomas Vanek, source says. Waiting to hear where and what's coming back.

EDIT: LOG OFF BUSTA

Today is my Christmas. This is what happens when you're self-employed.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 05, 2014, 03:13:22 PM
StapeNewsday: #Isles have traded Thomas Vanek, source says. Waiting to hear where and what's coming back.

It'd be nice to see them as a competent team, if not franchise, again.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:13:37 PM
adater: Avs acquire Reto Berra from Calgary for pick #DaterCentre
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on March 05, 2014, 03:13:48 PM
So, Leafs accomplished nuttin'?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:14:20 PM
So, Leafs accomplished nuttin'?

Doesn't look like it. Don't think they were all too interested in the type of moves that happened today.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: SpiderLeaf on March 05, 2014, 03:14:40 PM
Sometimes, doing nothing, is the best thing for the team.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 05, 2014, 03:16:15 PM
Kypreos said maybe Vanek to Montreal?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 05, 2014, 03:16:58 PM
Sometimes, doing nothing, is the best thing for the team.

I really wish Raymond had been moved.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 03:17:09 PM
Quote
@RobRossi_Trib

To be clear, #pens feel Vancouver ownership nixed trade that would have sent Kesler to Pittsburgh.

Feel the noose tightening around Gillis...
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:17:39 PM
adater: Stastny will not be traded #DaterCentre

Another non-surprise.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
I really wish Raymond had been moved.

With what the prices were we probably would have got squat back for him.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:18:26 PM
BuffNewsVogl: The Sabres' Moulson deal is NOT the only one awaiting NHL trade call, according to league source. Buffalo has another move coming.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 05, 2014, 03:18:43 PM
I hope Montreal got fleeced.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 03:19:29 PM
Jeff Marek

Vanek to the Habs per @DougMaclean
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: avatarx51 on March 05, 2014, 03:20:29 PM
Every team has made a move except for the Leafs, ya we are too cool and good to be making moves on deadline day.. dissapointing
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:24:21 PM
Every team has made a move except for the Leafs, ya we are too cool and good to be making moves on deadline day.. dissapointing

A few other teams didn't make moves, and a lot of those that did made very inconsequential moves for them.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 03:26:02 PM
Plus the Leafs have hamstrung themselves with the cap, makes it harder to make moves.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:30:41 PM
Vanek, Legwand and Goc are the only guys that moved that I would have had much interest in. The rest don't really give the Leafs something they don't already have. Vanek wouldn't have fit under the cap, so, that was not going to happen.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:32:15 PM
Vanek, Legwand and Goc are the only guys that moved that I would have had much interest in. The rest don't really give the Leafs something they don't already have. Vanek wouldn't have fit under the cap, so, that was not going to happen.

They really didn't have the cap space to acquire anybody.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: L K on March 05, 2014, 03:32:41 PM
Vanek, Legwand and Goc are the only guys that moved that I would have had much interest in. The rest don't really give the Leafs something they don't already have. Vanek wouldn't have fit under the cap, so, that was not going to happen.

I'm beating a horse but, hooray for Clarkson.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 05, 2014, 03:33:12 PM
Vanek, Legwand and Goc are the only guys that moved that I would have had much interest in. The rest don't really give the Leafs something they don't already have. Vanek wouldn't have fit under the cap, so, that was not going to happen.

They really didn't have the cap space to acquire anybody.

I wish the Leafs had gotten Chris Stewart.....     :(
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Britishbulldog on March 05, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
Vanek, Legwand and Goc are the only guys that moved that I would have had much interest in. The rest don't really give the Leafs something they don't already have. Vanek wouldn't have fit under the cap, so, that was not going to happen.

I'm beating a horse but, hooray for Clarkson.

I wish the Leafs had traded Clarkson....    :(
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 05, 2014, 03:35:14 PM
Vanek, Legwand and Goc are the only guys that moved that I would have had much interest in. The rest don't really give the Leafs something they don't already have. Vanek wouldn't have fit under the cap, so, that was not going to happen.

Correct me if I'm wrong but something like Reimer plus someone insignificant for salary, and waive/trade Orr for nothing wouldn't have worked?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Sudafederov on March 05, 2014, 03:36:18 PM
So basically Garth Snow traded:

Matt Moulson
2014 1st round pick
2015 2nd round pick

for

Conditional 2nd round pick
Sebastien Collberg
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:36:55 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but something like Reimer plus someone insignificant for salary, and waive/trade Orr for nothing wouldn't have worked?

Not for Vanek, no. Not if Bolland comes back this season.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 05, 2014, 03:38:17 PM
Halak went to Washington apparently.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:38:45 PM
They really didn't have the cap space to acquire anybody.

They could have fit Goc without much issue. Legwand could have been complicated.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 05, 2014, 03:39:21 PM
So basically Garth Snow traded:

Matt Moulson
2014 1st round pick
2015 2nd round pick

for

Conditional 2nd round pick
Sebastien Collberg

I feel bad for their fans.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 05, 2014, 03:39:51 PM
Hemsky wouldn't fit as things stand, but next season if the Leafs let Raymond/Kulemin/Bolland walk I might take a look at him if he comes cheap:

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Lupul-Kadri-Hemsky
Kulemin/x-Bolland/x-Clarkson

 >:(
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:42:21 PM
They could have fit Goc without much issue. Legwand could have been complicated.

They would have had to play with a 21-man roster to fit Goc in (assuming Bolland returns). Not sure how Legwand would have worked unless Bolland's salary was moved off the team.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:42:47 PM
>:(

Hey man, not saying I want it to happen. But we have to be prepared.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: RedLeaf on March 05, 2014, 03:45:21 PM
Not surprised at all the Leafs didn't make a trade today. In his press conference, Nonis said that they are pretty confident Bolland will be back this season at some point. That would be the best upgrade they could hope for right now.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Bullfrog on March 05, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
>:(

Hey man, not saying I want it to happen. But we have to be prepared.

No.

We don't. I will not give in!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 03:47:03 PM
They would have had to play with a 21-man roster to fit Goc in (assuming Bolland returns). Not sure how Legwand would have worked unless Bolland's salary was moved off the team.

Even with Bolland, I'm pretty sure they could have made Goc work by just moving Orr to the Marlies - they would have needed less than $350K in remaining space to fit him in, and they had ~$600K coming into today. That being said, if Bolland does return, the need for Goc is significantly lower.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 03:50:53 PM
Even with Bolland, I'm pretty sure they could have made Goc work by just moving Orr to the Marlies - they would have needed less than $350K in remaining space to fit him in, and they had ~$600K coming into today. That being said, if Bolland does return, the need for Goc is significantly lower.

Capgeek does all that pro-rated calculations in their app though and it says they'd be about $400k over the cap with 22-man roster with Goc/Bolland up and Ashton/Orr down.

The Leafs have virtually no cap space because they haven't been banking any almost all season long.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on March 05, 2014, 03:52:05 PM
They would have had to play with a 21-man roster to fit Goc in (assuming Bolland returns). Not sure how Legwand would have worked unless Bolland's salary was moved off the team.

Even with Bolland, I'm pretty sure they could have made Goc work by just moving Orr to the Marlies - they would have needed less than $350K in remaining space to fit him in, and they had ~$600K coming into today. That being said, if Bolland does return, the need for Goc is significantly lower.

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I'm sick and tired of hearing all this talk about the Leafs needing Goc.  They don't need Goc, thank you very much.  And I'd appreciate if you stopped talking about Goc all the time.  Geesh.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: crazyperfectdevil on March 05, 2014, 03:58:15 PM
didn't really expect the leafs to do anything today..and really it's probably better that they didn't ..but it always seems like a bit of a let down when you don't get a shiny new player on deadline day...let's hope bolland comes back quickly..and you know..maybe clarkson gets injured again...(kidding......kind of)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 05, 2014, 03:58:41 PM
Quote
‏@Tony_Ambrogio

Nonis: "I had some people call on our goalies earlier in the week and I told them I have no interest in moving any of them right now. "
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 04:02:08 PM
Capgeek does all that pro-rated calculations in their app though and it says they'd be about $400k over the cap with 22-man roster with Goc/Bolland up and Ashton/Orr down.

That's if Bolland returns today. If he's still on LTIR for 3 more weeks (which seem all that unlikely), they'd have enough LTIR space to make it work.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Stickytape on March 05, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
Nothing under the tree this year?  Well, at least we didn't trade for some coal.

Or is "magic beans" a better analogy? 

Or is "magic beans" just a better name for Clarkson?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Zee on March 05, 2014, 04:12:12 PM
Nothing under the tree this year?  Well, at least we didn't trade for some coal.

Or is "magic beans" a better analogy? 

Or is "magic beans" just a better name for Clarkson?

Adding a motivated Clarkson down the stretch is better than any deadline day deal you could have!  Rawwwwrrr watch out tonight!!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
That's if Bolland returns today. If he's still on LTIR for 3 more weeks (which seem all that unlikely), they'd have enough LTIR space to make it work.

I'm not sure that is true because like I said the Leafs aren't actually banking any extra cap space right now. And you can't really make any trades hoping that Bolland is going to be out long enough to stay cap compliant.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 04:16:36 PM
I'm not sure that is true because like I said the Leafs aren't actually banking any extra cap space right now. And you can't really make any trades hoping that Bolland is going to be out long enough to stay cap compliant.

I'm just saying there are ways they could have make it work.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 04:18:06 PM
I'm just saying there are ways they could have make it work.

And I'm just saying there actually weren't ;)

(unless the team knew Bolland was done for the year, or moved Kulemin/Franson/McClement)
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 04:18:41 PM
I'm just saying there are ways they could have make it work.

And I'm just saying there actually weren't ;)

(unless the team knew Bolland was done for the year)

I am going to have to rent a barn for us to fight in?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 05, 2014, 04:19:42 PM
I am going to have to rent a barn for us to fight in?

I've seen how quick you are posting trades. I'm sorry man don't hurt me!
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 05, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
2nd round pick for Berra? Wow.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 05, 2014, 05:11:10 PM
Quote
‏@Tony_Ambrogio
Nonis: "I had some people call on our goalies earlier in the week and I told them I have no interest in moving any of them right now. "


Glad Reimer and Bernier are staying,  We need them in tip-top form in the quest for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Rebel_1812 on March 05, 2014, 11:45:49 PM
So basically Garth Snow traded:

Matt Moulson
2014 1st round pick
2015 2nd round pick

for

Conditional 2nd round pick
Sebastien Collberg

I feel bad for their fans.

Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 05, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.

Who do you think Garth Snow is related to?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: louisstamos on March 05, 2014, 11:56:09 PM
Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.

Who do you think Garth Snow is related to?

Snow the Rapper.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Tigger on March 06, 2014, 12:44:26 AM
I'm quite glad the Leafs stood by and let the troops fall on their collectively bargained sword. The only thing missing is some talent coming down the pike or this whole 'stretch the cap to get the youngin's ready' notion would be gold Jerry, or butler, gold... but there they are, caught in no man's land, again.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on March 06, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
I'm quite glad the Leafs stood by and let the troops fall on their collectively bargained sword. The only thing missing is some talent coming down the pike or this whole 'stretch the cap to get the youngin's ready' notion would be gold Jerry, or butler, gold... but there they are, caught in no man's land, again.

It's disappointing that a team with so many holes is right up to the Cap while most other teams that are similar or stronger can add the likes of St. Louis, Vanek etc.

I think this team is a lot worse off than many would like to think it is.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on March 06, 2014, 09:26:25 AM
So basically Garth Snow traded:

Matt Moulson
2014 1st round pick
2015 2nd round pick

for

Conditional 2nd round pick
Sebastien Collberg

I feel bad for their fans.

Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.

While the breakdown of the trade is true, it really is retrospective analysis at its best.  At the time of the Vanek deal, the Islanders looked like a good, young team who were capable of producing wins.  Acquiring Vanek would help take some heat off of Tavares, provide some secondary scoring and act as a veteran presence in a young dressing room.  I don't think Snow could have predicted things would have gone off the rails as badly as they have, or maybe he was simply prepared to live with the risk.

So looking at the deal now, yeah, sure, it looks awful.  And I'm not suggesting Garth Snow is a great GM.  But looking at the deals without a bit of context is unfair.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 06, 2014, 09:29:11 AM
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Jalili on March 06, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.

I know a few Isles fans were happy with some aspects with the Vanek trade, but were also questioning why it even took place when they had much more pressing needs, such as needing to upgrade the defense and goaltending.

But I'll admit I liked the idea of the trade when it came out. In theory it made sense because, worst case scenario, they could just as easily trade Vanek again at the deadline to re-coup most of their losses. But that blew up in their faces.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: mc on March 06, 2014, 09:50:58 AM
Garth snow's employment is proof nepotism not merit dictates who gets jobs.

Who do you think Garth Snow is related to?

Snow the Rapper.

I like to boom boom now
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on March 06, 2014, 10:14:59 AM
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.

Well, sure, but he should have known his goaltending was bad since he arrived, too.  We'll agree he misjudged that, but the trade still looked better in the fall than it does today.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: bustaheims on March 06, 2014, 10:22:12 AM
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.

Sure, but, what does his playing career have to do with running a team?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Nik on March 06, 2014, 11:16:11 AM
While the breakdown of the trade is true, it really is retrospective analysis at its best.  At the time of the Vanek deal, the Islanders looked like a good, young team who were capable of producing wins.  Acquiring Vanek would help take some heat off of Tavares, provide some secondary scoring and act as a veteran presence in a young dressing room.  I don't think Snow could have predicted things would have gone off the rails as badly as they have, or maybe he was simply prepared to live with the risk.

So looking at the deal now, yeah, sure, it looks awful.  And I'm not suggesting Garth Snow is a great GM.  But looking at the deals without a bit of context is unfair.

More to that point, and I made this argument in the Vanek to NYI thread when it happened, at some point Garth Snow had to try and land someone of Vanek's stature and the simple reality is that guys weren't coming there as free agents. Giving up what he did to Buffalo in terms of picks obviously stings but I think that a lot of the criticism of that deal from these parts reveals the world of a Leafs fan. We can't fathom making a risky trade like this because we see free agency as a viable alternative to adding high priced veterans. For Snow, who's got problems with attracting free agents that have nothing to do with him or how he's run the team, he really doesn't have a lot of options in terms of adding the sort of linemate that would really compliment Tavares. So you add Vanek and hope you can convince him to re-sign. If he doesn't, well, you move him at the deadline.

And what did the whole thing ultimately end up costing the Islanders? Well, if they'd just kept Moulson they'd have their first and second round picks but wouldn't have the picks from Montreal or Collberg. If they'd kept Moulson but dealt him they'd probably have gotten a similar return to what the Sabres got for him. So these are the three possible options for the Islanders

Option A: A full season of Matt Moulson, all of their picks

Option B: 45 games of Matt Moulson, 2 extra second rounders

Option C: 45 games from Thomas Vanek, no first round pick(with top 10 protection for this year) or second but an added second and fifth from Montreal if they make the playoffs and a prospect who was drafted just outside the first round two years ago.

So while I suppose I understand some people thinking that Option B is the way to go, I think the reality is that Options C and A end up being pretty similar in the long run and even the two extra picks are pretty unimportant to a team that's made a ton of 1st and 2nd round draft picks over the last few years. Unless you put absolutely no value on having Vanek on the team for half a season, it's tough to bury them on this one.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: hockeyfan1 on March 06, 2014, 11:42:53 AM
He probably should have known his goaltending was bad going into this season.

I know a few Isles fans were happy with some aspects with the Vanek trade, but were also questioning why it even took place when they had much more pressing needs, such as needing to upgrade the defense and goaltending.

But I'll admit I liked the idea of the trade when it came out. In theory it made sense because, worst case scenario, they could just as easily trade Vanek again at the deadline to re-coup most of their losses. But that blew up in their faces.


The Islanders have yet to upgrade their netminding after all these years.  Sure they had DiPietro but we also know how that turned out. 

By upgrade, I allude to some of the goaltenders in their system, the up and comers.  Even if they have them, in fact some are backing up Nabokov (such as Kevin Poulin & Anders Nillson), goalkeeping is still not an Islander strongpoint.

Here is a chart showing all the Islanders netminder from past to present along with statistics:
http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NYI/goalies.html
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: BlueWhiteBlood on March 06, 2014, 02:43:32 PM
I'm just saying there are ways they could have make it work.

And I'm just saying there actually weren't ;)

(unless the team knew Bolland was done for the year)

I am going to have to rent a barn for us to fight in?

You guys could have just called Lou Lamerello and got him to fix the cap for us.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Tigger on March 06, 2014, 06:29:04 PM
I'm quite glad the Leafs stood by and let the troops fall on their collectively bargained sword. The only thing missing is some talent coming down the pike or this whole 'stretch the cap to get the youngin's ready' notion would be gold Jerry, or butler, gold... but there they are, caught in no man's land, again.

It's disappointing that a team with so many holes is right up to the Cap while most other teams that are similar or stronger can add the likes of St. Louis, Vanek etc.

I think this team is a lot worse off than many would like to think it is.

They are a fairly young team, lots left to do before they can be considered any kind of favourite so I don't mind them being up against the cap if it stops them from being spenders when they should be eyeing selling or standing pat.

I wish the rebuild had been truly embraced back when... but it hasn't turned out horribly for them.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 06, 2014, 09:08:20 PM
I'm quite glad the Leafs stood by and let the troops fall on their collectively bargained sword. The only thing missing is some talent coming down the pike or this whole 'stretch the cap to get the youngin's ready' notion would be gold Jerry, or butler, gold... but there they are, caught in no man's land, again.

It's disappointing that a team with so many holes is right up to the Cap while most other teams that are similar or stronger can add the likes of St. Louis, Vanek etc.

I think this team is a lot worse off than many would like to think it is.

They are a fairly young team, lots left to do before they can be considered any kind of favourite so I don't mind them being up against the cap if it stops them from being spenders when they should be eyeing selling or standing pat.

I wish the rebuild had been truly embraced back when... but it hasn't turned out horribly for them.

It might force the team to lose some players + not necessarily take full advantage of their best player in his prime.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Tigger on March 06, 2014, 09:26:23 PM
It might force the team to lose some players + not necessarily take full advantage of their best player in his prime.

Could be but in general I don't think the deadline is really the time to solve that problem, and I'm not sure what deadline deal could really have helped that didn't cost an arm and a leg when one is already down at least one limb.

What kind of percent loss are we talking about with the Leafs best player, like 5%? 10? I'm not really sure how you even quantify that given the composition of an NHL team.

The Leafs aren't ready to go for it, glad they decided to play it out for the most part.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Potvin29 on March 06, 2014, 09:48:03 PM
It might force the team to lose some players + not necessarily take full advantage of their best player in his prime.

Could be but in general I don't think the deadline is really the time to solve that problem, and I'm not sure what deadline deal could really have helped that didn't cost an arm and a leg when one is already down at least one limb.

What kind of percent loss are we talking about with the Leafs best player, like 5%? 10? I'm not really sure how you even quantify that given the composition of an NHL team.

The Leafs aren't ready to go for it, glad they decided to play it out for the most part.

Wasn't really talking about the deadline, but in general.  Cap space will be an issue after the season too.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Tigger on March 08, 2014, 04:39:15 AM
Wasn't really talking about the deadline, but in general.  Cap space will be an issue after the season too.

There is a 10% cushion coming up for everyone, a little more flex overall, no?
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2014, 10:13:27 AM
the NHL has had a banner year, the most revenues ever and by a country mile. One would think that the cap is going up significantly this year and over the next years. Conjecture has a 90 million cap in three years. Some of these top players are going to be getting super ridiculous money next time they renegotiate their deals.
In two years the Clarkson deal will seem like chump change
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: CarltonTheBear on March 08, 2014, 11:08:37 AM
the NHL has had a banner year, the most revenues ever and by a country mile. One would think that the cap is going up significantly this year and over the next years. Conjecture has a 90 million cap in three years. Some of these top players are going to be getting super ridiculous money next time they renegotiate their deals.
In two years the Clarkson deal will seem like chump change

When James Mirtle did his cap projections he figured the cap wouldn't get close to $90mil until 2021-22. It definitely won't happen in 3 years. And those projections were with a stronger Canadian dollar, it's projected now that next season the cap will be around $68mil because the dollar is at 90 cents.
Title: Re: Trade Deadline
Post by: Highlander on March 08, 2014, 12:51:53 PM
It doesnt makes sense that there is not some form of compensation allowed for our fluctuating dollar…after all the players receive US dollar contracts, this puts Canadian teams at a huge disadvantage…are we sure there is not some parody involved in the NHL barganing agreement???