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Title: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 04, 2012, 05:10:17 PM
Soon, it'll be that time of year again when the best junior players in the world will participate in the 2013 WJHC,  to be played in Ufa, Russia.

From Dec. 11 to Dec. 19, Hockey Canada will be selecting players from a list of all the participants currently set for training camp.  Here are the 37 invitees:

GOALIES
Jordan Binnington
Laurent Brossoit
Malcolm Subban
Jake Paterson

DEFENSE
Frank Corrado
Matthew Dumba
Dougie Hamilton
Scott Harrington
Ryan Murphy
Xavier Ouellet
Adam Pelech
Derrick Pouliot
Griffin Reinhart
Morgan Rielly
Ryan Sproule
Tyler Wotherspoon

FORWARDS
Francis Beauvillier
Anthony Camara
Daniel Catenacci
Phillip Danault
Jonathan Drouin
Tyler Graovac
Jonathan Huberdeau
Charles Hudon
Boone Jenner
J.C. Lipon
Nathan MacKinnon
Mark McNeill
Sean Monahan
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Ty Rattie
Brett Ritchie
Mark Scheifele
Hunter Shinkaruk
Colton Sissons
Ryan Strome
Tom Wilson

Source: THN
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 04, 2012, 05:19:02 PM
Disappointed Percy was left off that list.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 04, 2012, 05:21:53 PM
Team USA  WJHC training camp invitees: 27 players

GOALIES
John Gibson
Jon Gillies
Garret Sparks

DEFENSE
Shane Gostisbehere
Matt Grzelcyk
Seth Jones
Jake McCane
Connor Murphy
Mike Reilly
Patrick Sieloff
Brady Skjei
Jacob Trouba

FORWARDS
Cole Bardreau
Riley Barber
Tyler Biggs
Alex Galchenyuk
John Gaudreau
Rocco Grimaldi
Ryan Hartman
Sean Kuraly
Mario Lucia
Stefan Matteau
J.T. Miller
Stefan Noesen
Blake Pietila
Vince Trocheck
Jim Vesey

Source: THN
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 04, 2012, 05:30:21 PM
The U.S. must be hurting for goalies if Sparks got an invite.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 04, 2012, 06:53:46 PM
The U.S. must be hurting for goalies if Sparks got an invite.

He has a record of 15 wins and 7 losses(plus 3 shootout losses) with a GAA of 2.87 and a SV% of .916.

The GAA leaves something to be desired but isn't that horrible in the OHL. Good enough for 5th in wins, 9th in the league in GAA and 6th in SV%.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: seahawk on December 04, 2012, 11:40:49 PM
The U.S. must be hurting for goalies if Sparks got an invite.

He played quite well tonight against Kitchener. He's probably going to be #2 behind Kitchener's (and Anaheim's) John Gibson.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 05, 2012, 08:10:51 AM
The U.S. must be hurting for goalies if Sparks got an invite.

He has a record of 15 wins and 7 losses(plus 3 shootout losses) with a GAA of 2.87 and a SV% of .916.

The GAA leaves something to be desired but isn't that horrible in the OHL. Good enough for 5th in wins, 9th in the league in GAA and 6th in SV%.

Make that 16 and 7.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 05, 2012, 10:26:09 AM
The U.S. must be hurting for goalies if Sparks got an invite.

He has a record of 15 wins and 7 losses(plus 3 shootout losses) with a GAA of 2.87 and a SV% of .916.

The GAA leaves something to be desired but isn't that horrible in the OHL. Good enough for 5th in wins, 9th in the league in GAA and 6th in SV%.

Make that 16 and 7.

Don't know much about Sparks. Is that record reflective of the team in front of him or his play in net?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 05, 2012, 10:50:37 AM
I was a little unfair to him, I haven't really been following his progress recently, I just recall being underwhelmed by what I had previously seen from him.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 05, 2012, 03:10:16 PM
The U.S. must be hurting for goalies if Sparks got an invite.

He has a record of 15 wins and 7 losses(plus 3 shootout losses) with a GAA of 2.87 and a SV% of .916.

The GAA leaves something to be desired but isn't that horrible in the OHL. Good enough for 5th in wins, 9th in the league in GAA and 6th in SV%.

Make that 16 and 7.

Don't know much about Sparks. Is that record reflective of the team in front of him or his play in net?

I don't know a bunch about him either. I was just looking at his record and numbers to justify him being invited to the Camp.

But from what I have seen this year he's looked pretty damn good.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: seahawk on December 06, 2012, 11:45:33 PM
Sparks looked very solid in the Storm's win against Kitchener on Tuesday night, aside from the 1st goal. He has also benefited from playing in all but 1 game so far this season. The test of him being worth the selection will come when we see how Guelph plays without him.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 10, 2012, 09:48:09 PM
So let me vent a bit here...

Not only does the NHL screw us with this 3 month lock out, but they will most likely return to play just in time to also screw us out of the consolation prize. I was looking forward to, at the very least, watching the best world junior tournament in 8 years.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 10, 2012, 10:47:13 PM
whoah, waitaminit. Did I miss a news story that was optimistic about the nhl strike being over soon? The WJC tryout invitees are already in Calgary. With no talks scheduled, Christmas break coming up, I don't see how the NHL would return before  Jan 5-6 ish at the earliest. And the gold medal game is Jan 6.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Rebel_1812 on December 10, 2012, 11:22:40 PM
Disappointed Percy was left off that list.

If it wasn't for the lockout he would have been invited.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 11, 2012, 05:20:15 AM
whoah, waitaminit. Did I miss a news story that was optimistic about the nhl strike being over soon? The WJC tryout invitees are already in Calgary. With no talks scheduled, Christmas break coming up, I don't see how the NHL would return before  Jan 5-6 ish at the earliest. And the gold medal game is Jan 6.

Training camps would be before that if a season started in the first week of January.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 11, 2012, 05:44:28 AM
Oh I get that, the training camps would be ASAP.....but I don't see how they could have an agreement in place before Jan 3 right now. Even if there were talks NOW, by the time they get them settled, and sent out to the membership for a vote, and you let the Christmas break go through, it's still gonna be Jan 2 before anything could get set. If training camp was announced Jan 2, the Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Mark Scheifele types would already be in Russia and playing. Besides, they've been playing since October, they're already IN game shape. No reason they couldn't just come back ASAP after the gold medal game Jan 6. Won't be any NHL games before that anyway.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 11, 2012, 06:15:40 AM
Burke at least has said if a deal is reached and Rielly has gone over he wouldn't call him back.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 11, 2012, 10:57:57 AM
Oh I get that, the training camps would be ASAP.....but I don't see how they could have an agreement in place before Jan 3 right now. Even if there were talks NOW, by the time they get them settled, and sent out to the membership for a vote, and you let the Christmas break go through, it's still gonna be Jan 2 before anything could get set. If training camp was announced Jan 2, the Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Mark Scheifele types would already be in Russia and playing. Besides, they've been playing since October, they're already IN game shape. No reason they couldn't just come back ASAP after the gold medal game Jan 6. Won't be any NHL games before that anyway.

Yeah, that's sort of the timeline I'd expect. Even if they come to an agreement in principle tomorrow, you have to figure 10-14 days to hammer out the finer points, draft the thing, get both sides to vote on it, get everyone playing in various European leagues back to North America, etc. Realistically, the earliest the first games of the season would likely fall is around the same time as the gold medal game.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Deebo on December 11, 2012, 11:27:52 AM
Oh I get that, the training camps would be ASAP.....but I don't see how they could have an agreement in place before Jan 3 right now. Even if there were talks NOW, by the time they get them settled, and sent out to the membership for a vote, and you let the Christmas break go through, it's still gonna be Jan 2 before anything could get set. If training camp was announced Jan 2, the Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Mark Scheifele types would already be in Russia and playing. Besides, they've been playing since October, they're already IN game shape. No reason they couldn't just come back ASAP after the gold medal game Jan 6. Won't be any NHL games before that anyway.

Yeah, that's sort of the timeline I'd expect. Even if they come to an agreement in principle tomorrow, you have to figure 10-14 days to hammer out the finer points, draft the thing, get both sides to vote on it, get everyone playing in various European leagues back to North America, etc. Realistically, the earliest the first games of the season would likely fall is around the same time as the gold medal game.

I don't remember all the specifics about 94/95 but I did read that 9 days after the lockout ended, the games started.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 11, 2012, 11:33:54 AM
I don't remember all the specifics about 94/95 but I did read that 9 days after the lockout ended, the games started.

Maybe, but the lockout doesn't actually end until the CBA is drafted, finalized, voted on and approved by both sides. Even if an agreement is reached in principle tomorrow, it could take 2 weeks for that to happen.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 11, 2012, 11:45:35 AM
They could still play under a Memorandum of Understanding while they work out the final details.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 11, 2012, 11:48:15 AM
They could still play under a Memorandum of Understanding while they work out the final details.

They could, but, considering the distrust on both sides, I doubt they would. There would also be a need for a newly crafted schedule, which could also easily take 2 weeks to figure out in terms of what dates are available at the various buildings, arranging travel and accommodations, etc.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 11, 2012, 11:50:34 AM
They could still play under a Memorandum of Understanding while they work out the final details.

They could, but, considering the distrust on both sides, I doubt they would.

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A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned the lockout-shortened 1995 NHL season and how it was played with a "Memorandum of Understanding" and not a signed collective bargaining agreement. Games resumed as lawyers haggled over the details and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup. The deal was not finished until August. Well, Fehr was asked about it in New York and sounded amenable to the idea. As for the NHL, deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an email: "We would likely entertain the possibility of playing with some interim level of documentation, but I expect that we will require more detail than what he had in 1994-95." Something to keep in mind.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/12/30-thoughts-nhl-players-could-turn-to-nba-lockout-fixer.html
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 11, 2012, 11:53:43 AM
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A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned the lockout-shortened 1995 NHL season and how it was played with a "Memorandum of Understanding" and not a signed collective bargaining agreement. Games resumed as lawyers haggled over the details and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup. The deal was not finished until August. Well, Fehr was asked about it in New York and sounded amenable to the idea. As for the NHL, deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an email: "We would likely entertain the possibility of playing with some interim level of documentation, but I expect that we will require more detail than what he had in 1994-95." Something to keep in mind.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/12/30-thoughts-nhl-players-could-turn-to-nba-lockout-fixer.html

That last part tells me it's something they're a lot less willing to do than they were in 1995. Obviously, he's not going to dismiss it as a possibility, but, the way he phrases it makes it seem like it's fairly low on their list of possible resolutions.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Deebo on December 11, 2012, 12:41:39 PM
Quote
A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned the lockout-shortened 1995 NHL season and how it was played with a "Memorandum of Understanding" and not a signed collective bargaining agreement. Games resumed as lawyers haggled over the details and the New Jersey Devils won the Stanley Cup. The deal was not finished until August. Well, Fehr was asked about it in New York and sounded amenable to the idea. As for the NHL, deputy commissioner Bill Daly wrote in an email: "We would likely entertain the possibility of playing with some interim level of documentation, but I expect that we will require more detail than what he had in 1994-95." Something to keep in mind.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/12/30-thoughts-nhl-players-could-turn-to-nba-lockout-fixer.html

That last part tells me it's something they're a lot less willing to do than they were in 1995. Obviously, he's not going to dismiss it as a possibility, but, the way he phrases it makes it seem like it's fairly low on their list of possible resolutions.

What about the phrasing makes it seem that way to you?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 11, 2012, 01:26:00 PM
Oh I get that, the training camps would be ASAP.....but I don't see how they could have an agreement in place before Jan 3 right now. Even if there were talks NOW, by the time they get them settled, and sent out to the membership for a vote, and you let the Christmas break go through, it's still gonna be Jan 2 before anything could get set. If training camp was announced Jan 2, the Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Mark Scheifele types would already be in Russia and playing. Besides, they've been playing since October, they're already IN game shape. No reason they couldn't just come back ASAP after the gold medal game Jan 6. Won't be any NHL games before that anyway.

Yeah, that's sort of the timeline I'd expect. Even if they come to an agreement in principle tomorrow, you have to figure 10-14 days to hammer out the finer points, draft the thing, get both sides to vote on it, get everyone playing in various European leagues back to North America, etc. Realistically, the earliest the first games of the season would likely fall is around the same time as the gold medal game.

I don't remember all the specifics about 94/95 but I did read that 9 days after the lockout ended, the games started.

This is what I've heard too. If both sides really want a hockey season this year at all, then theoretically a deal needs to get done this week or next. 3-4 days needed for the players to all return to their respective cities,and 1 week for training camp. This leaves a possible start date of somewhere between Dec 23-Jan 4th. The league does not want less than a 48 game season. That puts the start right in the middle of the world jr tournament. Besides Burke, no other GM has confirmed that they wouldn't call back those junior players if the season started within that time frame. Call me pessimistic, but after all this nonsense the NHL could also ruin what promises to be a medal winning team Canada, and perhaps one of the best we've ever seen.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 11, 2012, 01:33:19 PM
What about the phrasing makes it seem that way to you?

The amount of ambiguity in it and things like requiring more details than last time tell me the league wants something closer to a completed deal than they accepted in 1995 before they'll lift the lockout.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 12, 2012, 05:26:08 PM
Today's meeting ended with the NHL holding firm on its 'take it or leave it' stance. This is at least good news for Hockey Canada and the world junior tournament. Not so good for the NHL season.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 12, 2012, 09:06:42 PM
TSNBobMcKenzie: So far Hockey Canada has received assurances from 4 NHL teams their prospects, if they make it, will remain at WJC regardless of labor scene

TSNBobMcKenzie: Morgan Rielly (TOR), Boone Jenner (CBJ), Scott Harrington (PIT) and Ty Rattie (STL) are fully committed to WJC if on Team Canada roster.

TSNBobMcKenzie: No other NHL teams have, thus far, offered lockout-is-over protection to HC, including WPG on Mark Scheifele, amongst others.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 14, 2012, 04:18:20 AM
Here it is, the finalized Team Canada roster...

 Forwards
Anthony Camara, Barrie Colts
Phillip Danault, Victoriaville Tigres
Jonathan Drouin, Halifax Mooseheads
Jonathan Huberdeau, Saint John Sea Dogs
Charles Hudon, Chicoutimi Saguéneens
Boone Jenner, Oshawa Generals .
JC Lipon, Kamloops Blazers
Nathan MacKinnon, Halifax Mooseheads
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Oklahoma City Barons
Ty Rattie, Portland Winterhawks
Brett Ritchie, Niagara IceDogs
Mark Scheifele, Barrie Colts
Ryan Strome, Niagara IceDogs

 Defence
Dougie Hamilton, Niagara IceDogs
Scott Harrington, London Knights
Ryan Murphy, Kitchener Rangers
Xavier Ouellet, Blainville-Boisbriand Armada
Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton Oil Kings
Morgan Rielly, Moose Jaw Warriors
Tyler Wotherspoon, Portland Winterhawks

 Goaltenders
Malcolm Subban, Belleville Bulls
Jordan Binnington, Owen Sound Attack
Jake Paterson, Saginaw Spirit

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/team-canada-wjc2013-team-chosen-234834640.html (http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/team-canada-wjc2013-team-chosen-234834640.html)



GO CANADA GO!!!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 14, 2012, 09:17:20 AM
I'm ready! Got my new avatar :)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 14, 2012, 09:52:30 AM
I'm ready! Got my new avatar :)

Nice.....but no Rielly????
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on December 14, 2012, 10:11:01 AM
Ok ok ok... so everyone remember that when Pierre McGuire proclaims each and every team Canada player as a future star/franchise player/elite athlete/MONSTER "for their NHL team", take a large boulder of salt and hold it up in front of his head on screen.

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 14, 2012, 10:14:20 AM

RNH-Huberdeau-Scheifele-Mackinnon down the middle? That's not bad.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 14, 2012, 10:24:45 AM
Ok ok ok... so everyone remember that when Pierre McGuire proclaims each and every team Canada player as a future star/franchise player/elite athlete/MONSTER "for their NHL team", take a large boulder of salt and hold it up in front of his head on screen.

True, although the last time there was a World Juniors when the NHL players were locked out a good half of the team did go on to be NHL all-stars.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Deebo on December 14, 2012, 10:30:39 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 14, 2012, 10:35:27 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?

Probably Pogge, no?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Andy on December 14, 2012, 10:38:11 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?

Probably Pogge, no?

I also recall Kadri seeing some decent minutes with Taylor Hall a few years back, though probably not as prominent as Reilly's projected role.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on December 14, 2012, 10:39:49 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?

Probably Pogge, no?

Probably.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Deebo on December 14, 2012, 11:02:34 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?

Probably Pogge, no?

Of course, hopefully Rielly turns out as good as he did!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 14, 2012, 11:24:06 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?

Probably Pogge, no?

Of course, hopefully Rielly turns out as good as he did!

He did win gold for Canada that year.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on December 14, 2012, 11:32:56 AM
Who was the last Leaf prospect that was expected to have as significant a role as Rielly is at the WJC?

Probably Pogge, no?

Kadri had a very big role in 09/10 but that year Taylor Hall got all the attention. I think Kadri was as good if not better than Hall was... buuut I could be a tad biased.

Always seems if this team wins silver, everyone forgets who did what.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on December 14, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
RNH named captain.

Makes sense, I guess.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 14, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
RNH named captain.

Makes sense, I guess.

I thought it'd be a player coming back. Maybe Strome.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 14, 2012, 12:41:37 PM
Kadri had a very big role in 09/10 but that year Taylor Hall got all the attention. I think Kadri was as good if not better than Hall was... buuut I could be a tad biased.

Always seems if this team wins silver, everyone forgets who did what.

But I'm not sure if Kadri was expected to be one of the big performers on the team. Pogge/Rielly were thought to be big parts from the get go.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 14, 2012, 12:44:36 PM
#4...... M-ORR-gan Rielly. No pressure....
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 14, 2012, 12:55:39 PM
I'm ready! Got my new avatar :)

Nice.....but no Rielly????

stolen directly from the Sun. Also no Camara :-( I shall have to make up my own I suppose, using just Scheifele and Camara O:-)   (I have pix of each, just not together )
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 14, 2012, 12:57:16 PM
RNH named captain.

Makes sense, I guess.

I thought it'd be a player coming back. Maybe Strome.

that's who it should have been. Or Hamilton  :-\
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on December 14, 2012, 01:03:52 PM
Kadri had a very big role in 09/10 but that year Taylor Hall got all the attention. I think Kadri was as good if not better than Hall was... buuut I could be a tad biased.

Always seems if this team wins silver, everyone forgets who did what.

But I'm not sure if Kadri was expected to be one of the big performers on the team. Pogge/Rielly were thought to be big parts from the get go.

He was on the 1st line for a good portion of the tournament. ... just sayin'. 

Expected to lead the team? No.. it was all Taylor Hall and Eberle talk going in.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 14, 2012, 01:05:58 PM
He was on the 1st line for a good portion of the tournament.

Sure, but they usually tend to go into the tournament and kind of let the lines play out, don't they? Don't get me wrong, I agree Kadri played well I just remember it being a bit of a surprise compared to the more-hyped Hall.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 14, 2012, 07:52:19 PM
Kadri had a very big role in 09/10 but that year Taylor Hall got all the attention. I think Kadri was as good if not better than Hall was... buuut I could be a tad biased.

Always seems if this team wins silver, everyone forgets who did what.

But I'm not sure if Kadri was expected to be one of the big performers on the team. Pogge/Rielly were thought to be big parts from the get go.

He was on the 1st line for a good portion of the tournament. ... just sayin'. 

Expected to lead the team? No.. it was all Taylor Hall and Eberle talk going in.

Didn't Brayden destroy it that year?
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 14, 2012, 08:51:08 PM
Didn't Brayden destroy it that year?

No, that was the year after. He was pretty invisible the year he and Kadri were both on the roster - or, at least, I felt he was. He certainly did not stand out.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Justin on December 16, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
A look at the World Juniors broadcast schedule shows that 4 of 5 of Canada's round robin games start at 4:00 AM, with the 5th starting at 8:30 AM. Some elimination games also start at 4:00 AM, with the final being played at 7:30 AM. Oof.

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/feature/?id=4124
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 20, 2012, 10:43:15 AM
It is only exhibition play, but Canada has to be a lot more disciplined moving forward in this tournament. I'm sure they'll figure it out. 2-2 in middle of the second.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 20, 2012, 10:59:10 AM
I'm lucky in that I'm off a lot of the days that the games are on, but let me just say.... PVR  gonna get a helluva workout!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 20, 2012, 11:27:34 AM
Subban did not look good on that one. Im guessing he hasn't secured the starting job just yet.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 20, 2012, 11:31:49 AM
just redeemed himself with those two saves......
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 20, 2012, 11:38:44 AM
Good lord why does Oulette cross check his man with 5min left while down? Stupid. We don't look very good in this game.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 20, 2012, 11:43:02 AM
Just selfish play right now. They've got a lot of work to do.

And here's a penalty. Awful.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2012, 11:43:34 AM
RNH with a slash behind the play with his team trailing. Well done, captain.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2012, 11:44:59 AM
Another penalty. Canada's lucky Finland wasted all that potential 5-on-3 time.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 20, 2012, 11:46:02 AM
Well, that was disappointing....
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2012, 11:47:02 AM
How did Rielly look? I've only caught the last 5 minutes or so and Canada was shorthanded for most of it. The rest Murphy was too busy trying to do everything himself.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 20, 2012, 11:48:55 AM
How did Rielly look? I've only caught the last 5 minutes or so and Canada was shorthanded for most of it. The rest Murphy was too busy trying to do everything himself.

Average, but then no one stood out in this one, except maybe RNH. Hopefully they find their game on Saturday.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bates on December 20, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
I sure hope the NHL does not continue to head down the road to no contact hockey like we see across the ocean.  Players can never battle without the penalty box getting full.  That hockey is boring and the bigger rink just makes it worse.  The last 3 or 4 penalties to Canada were a joke.  The one behind the net was every bit as much of a dive than a cross-check.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 20, 2012, 11:52:58 AM
How did Rielly look? I've only caught the last 5 minutes or so and Canada was shorthanded for most of it. The rest Murphy was too busy trying to do everything himself.

I'm surprised he was listed as Canada's top player in the game.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 20, 2012, 12:59:31 PM
Rielly had a real good chance early in the 3rd where he jumped into a 3 on 3 rush to make it a 4 on 3 and had a good shot from the slot.  Otherwise he didn't do much, but with so many penalties he probably had trouble getting into the game.

It's just a pre-tournament game, I wouldn't get too worked up over how they looked, they're still feeling it out.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 20, 2012, 04:23:23 PM
Good news for Team Canada! NHL cancels games up to Jan 14th. That should put an end to the notion of some key players being sent back before this tournament ends.

Now all we need is this team to find its game before the tournament starts to get competitive.

I'm guessing we'll see a much better effort in the final warm up game on Saturday morning.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 20, 2012, 05:31:23 PM
May be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyways.

How do they make the divisions for this tournament? I mean, how does Canada, the USA and Russia all end up in the same division?

Is it seedings from last year?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 20, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
May be a stupid question, but I'll ask anyways.

How do they make the divisions for this tournament? I mean, how does Canada, the USA and Russia all end up in the same division?

Is it seedings from last year?

Yeah, it's based off the standings from last years tournament. Group A gets the teams ranked 1, 4, 5, 8, 9, and group B gets the others.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 22, 2012, 09:23:39 AM
DISIPLINE!!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on December 22, 2012, 09:48:50 AM
How's Nilsson looking?

Edit: I just tuned in... Is he even playing?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
Canada looking awful.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 10:17:25 AM
And Jenner gets a game misconduct after he next to murders Peterson. Good good.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2012, 10:17:43 AM
How's Nilsson looking?

Edit: I just tuned in... Is he even playing?

He's kind of in the same situation as Rielly. Sweden's been on the PP and Canada on the PK so much neither has really been given much ice time.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on December 22, 2012, 10:19:10 AM
I see.  :-\ Thanks. Hope Pettersson is okay.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on December 22, 2012, 10:24:32 AM
Too many whistles. Pretty sad that I'm not enjoying this as hockey starved as I am.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 22, 2012, 10:28:49 AM
Nice goal by Drouin there. 1-1.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 10:29:45 AM
Too many whistles. Pretty sad that I'm not enjoying this as hockey starved as I am.

I hear that. Its making the AHL look disciplined.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 22, 2012, 10:32:15 AM
One good thing about this. Plenty of time to work on the penalty kill.  ???
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 10:51:42 AM
Binnington playing well.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 10:56:47 AM
MacKinnon looking really sharp this period.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 11:26:54 AM
They're making such stupid plays right now. Ugh.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 22, 2012, 11:43:14 AM
I just got home from work. Recap anybody?
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 22, 2012, 12:12:37 PM
I just got home from work. Recap anybody?

Sweden goes ahead early. Binnington looked sharp all the way through. March to the PBox all game led by Boone Jenner (game misconduct) and Dougie Hamilton. Drouin scored on a great play. Stalemate afterward. Sweden gets a bunch of shots. Goes to SO. Huberdeau and RNH seal it for Canada.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 22, 2012, 02:44:54 PM
I just got home from work. Recap anybody?

Sweden goes ahead early. Binnington looked sharp all the way through. March to the PBox all game led by Boone Jenner (game misconduct) and Dougie Hamilton. Drouin scored on a great play. Stalemate afterward. Sweden gets a bunch of shots. Goes to SO. Huberdeau and RNH seal it for Canada.

thanks Bender! You're the bestest!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 23, 2012, 06:28:36 AM
That Jacob Trouba was a one-man wrecking crew out on that ice, hitting just about anything that moved, in the Finland-USA per-competition matchup.

Looks like Winnipeg Jets fans will have plenty to look forward to when this Trouba guy finally makes it in the big leagues.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: seahawk on December 23, 2012, 06:09:59 PM
That Jacob Trouba was a one-man wrecking crew out on that ice, hitting just about anything that moved, in the Finland-USA per-competition matchup.

Looks like Winnipeg Jets fans will have plenty to look forward to when this Trouba guy finally makes it in the big leagues.

He's currently at Michigan, but Kitchener holds his OHL rights. He'd look pretty good on East Ave right about now.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 25, 2012, 06:33:40 AM
Jenner is suspended for 3 games.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 25, 2012, 06:37:56 AM
Jenner is suspended for 3 games.


Discipline will be the key for Team Canada.  If these guys march to the penalty box often enough, it's doubtful they'll be gaining much in the 'win' column.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 25, 2012, 08:19:18 AM
Jenner is suspended for 3 games.


Discipline will be the key for Team Canada.  If these guys march to the penalty box often enough, it's doubtful they'll be gaining much in the 'win' column.
I think so too. I'm glad that he was suspended though, an interference doesn't get much clearer than that, I just don't understand it, Jenner had plenty of time to do something else, he only hurt his team. One of the swedes also said he doesn't understand it, because he said that Jenner is actually one of the better player on his regular team, and don't see the need for doing things like that.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 26, 2012, 04:35:40 AM

Wooo! Marginally meaningful hockey!

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 26, 2012, 04:40:19 AM

The stands look...a quarter full?

Also, it seems as though every commercial will contain some sort of bitter message about the ongoing lockout. Including one from Nike that, well, the hypocrisy of which is just fantastic.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 26, 2012, 04:46:01 AM

Nice play by Rielly to set up the first goal on the PP, although he seems to have been demoted to the second unit.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Michael on December 26, 2012, 04:48:12 AM

Nice play by Rielly to set up the first goal on the PP, although he seems to have been demoted to the second unit.

Rielly is everywhere on that last PP. He skates very well.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 26, 2012, 10:16:35 AM
Well I was going to watch the replay at noon and not know the result, and so I started watching Russia-Slovakia, and they of course said the result of the Canada game.  I would have thought that, knowing the game was on at 4 AM and that they are replaying it after this game, they might have told Gord Miller to not talk about it.  Lame.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 26, 2012, 10:32:17 AM
The line of Nugent-Hopkins/Huberdeau/Scheifele continues to shine as Nugent-Hopkins was chosen as Canada's player of the game (Daitaiskl for Germany).

Canada showed just what the word firepower means pumping 9 goals in Germany's net, but not before several giveaways (some having lead directly to German goals), nor before some silly (and questionable) penalties (again!), nor some shoddy puck-handling by some of the forward lines, or even, (egads!) being nearly 'edged' at times by a 'faster' and very 'determined' German offensive thrust, etc.

Not to say that the Germans played toe-to-toe with the Canadians in the first one go two and a half periods, well it certainly looked as though we suffered from 'lazy foot syndrome'.  Luckily, Malcolm Subban was there for some puck-stopping moments and that Canada woke up and churned on the jets, so to speak.

Great game overall.  Need to tighten up and quit the errors, stay disciplined, turn on the skills and voilá, victory will theirs for the keeping.  Against stronger opponents such as the U.S., or Russia, or even Finland, it's going to be needed.

WAY TO GO, CANADA!   And finally, some live, real hockey for all of us!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on December 26, 2012, 11:44:04 AM
Slovaks played pretty well against Russia, if not that penalty in OT, there may have been first surprise of the tourney...
Finland won easily against Latvia, however lost Aaltonen , one their best players, due to the injury
Swedes dominated the Czechs, could have been more than just 4-1
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Frank E on December 26, 2012, 12:49:31 PM

Wooo! Marginally meaningful hockey!

Up at 4am eh? 

Nik's a trooper.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 26, 2012, 12:52:03 PM
The line of Nugent-Hopkins/Huberdeau/Scheifele continues to shine as Nugent-Hopkins was chosen as Canada's player of the game (Daitaiskl for Germany).

Canada showed just what the word firepower means pumping 9 goals in Germany's net, but not before several giveaways (some having lead directly to German goals), nor before some silly (and questionable) penalties (again!), nor some shoddy puck-handling by some of the forward lines, or even, (egads!) being nearly 'edged' at times by a 'faster' and very 'determined' German offensive thrust, etc.

Not to say that the Germans played toe-to-toe with the Canadians in the first one go two and a half periods, well it certainly looked as though we suffered from 'lazy foot syndrome'.  Luckily, Malcolm Subban was there for some puck-stopping moments and that Canada woke up and churned on the jets, so to speak.

Great game overall.  Need to tighten up and quit the errors, stay disciplined, turn on the skills and voilá, victory will theirs for the keeping.  Against stronger opponents such as the U.S., or Russia, or even Finland, it's going to be needed.

WAY TO GO, CANADA!   And finally, some live, real hockey for all of us!

I'm surprised Germany got 3 in. I think not playing Binnington is going to come back and bite us in the ass.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 26, 2012, 12:57:03 PM
How did Rielly look? Im kinda disappointed he was demoted.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 26, 2012, 01:32:17 PM
I'm surprised Germany got 3 in. I think not playing Binnington is going to come back and bite us in the ass.

Not entirely Subban's fault. The defensive play was pretty sloppy on the last 2 goals.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 26, 2012, 07:04:15 PM

Wooo! Marginally meaningful hockey!

Up at 4am eh? 

Nik's a trooper.


I stayed up myself too, and watched the entire game from start to finish.  Not easy to do, but, if you can get a few winks prior to, it helps (with plenty of yawning  in between).  :)

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 26, 2012, 07:42:06 PM

Wooo! Marginally meaningful hockey!

Up at 4am eh? 

Nik's a trooper.

As evidenced by this thread, Nik got up at 4, watched the first period and then went back to sleep. So a trooper with a lot of "Needs Improvement" on his performance reviews.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 27, 2012, 01:03:56 AM
Yakupov vs Cherry...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/world-junior-championship-nail-yakupov-calls-canada-dirty-175525266.html

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Rebel_1812 on December 27, 2012, 12:38:16 PM
Yakupov vs Cherry...

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/world-junior-championship-nail-yakupov-calls-canada-dirty-175525266.html

Good for Cherry.  Who else would say something like that.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on December 28, 2012, 06:29:47 AM
Too many penalties for team Canada (Camara and Lipon both with game miscoundacts), down 2-0 after 1, but got back into the game, leading 6-3 in the third. Reilly very good on power-play. 3 points (1+2) so far (1+1 on PP). Team Canada is being outshot by Slovaks - quite unusual.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: skippy on December 28, 2012, 08:32:39 AM
1 - Rielly and Oulette should be playing more
2- Subban has to stop shrugging his shoulders after goals
3- Looks like Yakupov was correct.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 28, 2012, 09:29:02 AM
Camara's hit was clean. :-( they weren't even calling a penalty until the Slovak was obviously injured (cut by his own visor as later described) Lipon's was a headshot.

My Mark Scheifele was Canadian player of the game. Deservedly so, he was everywhere.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on December 28, 2012, 09:39:02 AM
3- Looks like Yakupov was correct.

Lipon´s hit was a ugly one - elbow to the head of the player who was without puck.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKCXCtxD8Cg

Camara´s hit was in my opinion clean one, however totaly devastating.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TIWWQ24wVg

IIHF new policy - no hit to the head (area) is a clean hit - is pretty strict
http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/videoconcussions.html

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bates on December 28, 2012, 09:42:12 AM
Review for Lipon.  No review for Camara.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on December 28, 2012, 09:44:40 AM
Review for Lipon.  No review for Camara.

I guess Lipon gets further suspension, such as 3 games or so
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 28, 2012, 10:46:15 AM
1 - Rielly and Oulette should be playing more
2- Subban has to stop shrugging his shoulders after goals
3- Looks like Yakupov was correct.

Agreed. At least on your first two points. Up until the 2nd period this morning, Rielly has been largely marginalized by his lack of ice time. Subban has looked too uncomfortable in goal, and guys like Camara should be given less ice time. Coach Spott, and his staff have been "spotty" up to this point on their decision making. Hopefully they make the right adjustments before its too late.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 28, 2012, 11:21:25 AM
With Boone Jenner still serving his suspension, and a with game misconducts to both Lipon and Camara, Canada's forwards were reduced to 10, but according to coach Steve Spott, it served to galvanize the team against Slovakia...

 "In an event like this, you've got to find different ways to win and tonight was about dealing with adversity early and staying true to our tasks," Canadian coach Steve Spott said. "I give our kids a lot of credit. They had to be resilient and ultimately find a way to win and they were able to do that."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/2012/12/28/ryan_strome_canada_rally_beat_slovakia_wjhc/


Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 28, 2012, 11:52:35 AM
Good to see Rielly and Ouellette have success. Early going but they're the dmen scoring leaders thus far.

How has Hamilton looked?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 28, 2012, 12:05:48 PM
Good to see Rielly and Ouellette have success. Early going but they're the dmen scoring leaders thus far.

How has Hamilton looked?


Both Hamilton and Scheifele 'flopped' in a desperate bid to get some power play advantages for Team Canada...and it worked!  'Flopping' a.k.a. diving.

Here's the story:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrhockey-buzzing-the-net/world-junior-championship-team-canada-fans-flip-over-115221026.html
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 29, 2012, 11:13:28 AM
Just watching Russia/Germany. Man, I know they aren't a bad team but they really don't make good hockey decisions. They had 3 breakaways against on their power play. Why throw it in the middle again after it was picked off?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 29, 2012, 12:22:29 PM
I think that Camara's hit was dangerous but clean, I wouldn't have complained if they would have suspended him. Because people are always whining at the player who takes the hit, but the player who is hitting have to take responsibility too, and I don't think that Camara was doing that. I think that there should be more debate about this. Because if you see that the player isn't expecting the hit and is keeping his head down, you know that it can cause a serious injury if you hit him hard, and I think that more players should get suspended for doing things like this. As for Camara's hit it certainly looked like a hit to the head. It's due to hits like these that people get serious injuries.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bates on December 29, 2012, 12:31:35 PM
So Stebro would you be OK with a player that always skates with his head down never being allowed to be hit?  How does that make sense in a contact sport?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 29, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
No, but it's not like all players skate with their heads down all the time, but it can happend for a second, and it's irresponsible to hit hard then, it will only lead to more concussions. And I doubt that very many players would use this as a strategy. But the feeling I get now is that all the players that hit constantly gets away while saying "well he kept his head down, it's his fault". Yes it's a contact sport, but it's also human beings that are being hit, I don't wanna see players have to retire early due to concussion. The players that hit needs to take more responsibility too. If someone gets a concussion it's went over the line, and I don't think it's ok to constantly blame the player with his head down, he didn't get hit because he had his head down, he got hit because the player who was hitting didn't care about it. And that could be seen as in intent to hurt, which is why these people should get suspended more often.

Btw, I've never seen any player that constantly skates with his head down.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bates on December 29, 2012, 12:41:32 PM
You never see them skate with their head down because they will be hit for doing it.  I can guarantee you that if you outlaw hitting player with head down there will be players who barely look up and coaches teaching kids to play that way to draw penalties.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 29, 2012, 12:45:48 PM
You never see them skate with their head down because they will be hit for doing it.  I can guarantee you that if you outlaw hitting player with head down there will be players who barely look up and coaches teaching kids to play that way to draw penalties.
Well you're not supposed to hit the head anyways. What I'm talking about is if they hit players in the head, while having their head down, if they make a shoulder to shoulder hit or a hip check that's something else. But hitting the head while they have their heads down is dangerous. I don't think that many players will play with their heads down no matter what, because it's harder to read the game that way. All hits that risk causing concussions must be punished hard. I don't want to see any more players retiring due to that, or only playing at 70% of their ability. Another thing is that hockey must go hand in hand with the law.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on December 29, 2012, 12:49:30 PM
Man, I thought the Camara hit was over-penalized in the game, never mind any additional discipline. I get that the IIHF rules are more strict than the NHL's, but, it didn't look like the refs were going to call anything there until they realized the Slovakian player was injured. One of the officials even told coach Spott that the hit was clean.

Quote
markhmasters: Spott says on-ice official told Camara hit was clean ... Wow
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on December 29, 2012, 01:44:32 PM
Btw, I've never seen any player that constantly skates with his head down.

You've never seen me play.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on December 29, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
If someone gets a concussion it's went over the line, and I don't think it's ok to constantly blame the player with his head down, he didn't get hit because he had his head down, he got hit because the player who was hitting didn't care about it.

But he did get hit because his head was down, because if he was demonstrating the awareness you are supposed to show while playing contact hockey he could have either avoided the hit altogether, or better prepared himself for the hit.  If I'm fiddling around in my glove box and not watching where I'm driving and I put myself in a position where your car hits me, can I absolve myself of blame and place it all on you?

This wasn't a targeted head hit.  If the head was hit, it was incidental (lots of hits it is almost impossible to not hit the head at some point in the contact due to the speed at which things happen).  He wasn't charging, his skates were gliding. 

The guy just got hit good and hard, why do we have to make a big deal out of it?  Thousands of players will get crushed in hits every year.  I got crushed a few times each season I played hockey, too.  You can't avoid it 100%.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 29, 2012, 03:48:57 PM
So Stebro would you be OK with a player that always skates with his head down never being allowed to be hit?  How does that make sense in a contact sport?

If you were to outlaw hits to the head, just as a hypothetical, then a player skating with his head down could still be hit, he just couldn't be hit straight on in the head. Someone with their head down can still be hit shoulder to shoulder or hipchecked.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Rebel_1812 on December 29, 2012, 04:00:16 PM
No, but it's not like all players skate with their heads down all the time, but it can happend for a second, and it's irresponsible to hit hard then, it will only lead to more concussions. And I doubt that very many players would use this as a strategy. But the feeling I get now is that all the players that hit constantly gets away while saying "well he kept his head down, it's his fault". Yes it's a contact sport, but it's also human beings that are being hit, I don't wanna see players have to retire early due to concussion. The players that hit needs to take more responsibility too. If someone gets a concussion it's went over the line, and I don't think it's ok to constantly blame the player with his head down, he didn't get hit because he had his head down, he got hit because the player who was hitting didn't care about it. And that could be seen as in intent to hurt, which is why these people should get suspended more often.

Btw, I've never seen any player that constantly skates with his head down.

what about lindros?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 30, 2012, 12:04:47 AM
Camara's hit, at first glance, might have elicited a negative reaction by the viewer, but upon closer inspection. I did not see a deliberate head-on-head attempt here. Just an attempt to knock the opponent off his feet.

These type of hits were and are very common in a game.  The difference today may be that either the hitter hits harder or that the aim may be more 'careless'-- upper chest area invariably will include the opposing player's head that will take the brunt of the impact of the hit.

I remember in the olden days when even the great Guy Lafleur was knocked down by a similar hit for the simple reason that he had his "head down".  Left him feeling woozy but be was back on his skates a few moments later, having shaken off the effects of the mid-ice hit.

Didn't Ovechkin knock Jagr silly in one particular international tournament game?  Jagr staggered then got up  and skated himself to his team's bench.  And that was a mean hit by Ovie.  No head hit but clean and 'thunderous'.

Today's players, as I once mentioned, need to relearn how to bodycheck appropriately as it once was when no one was getting hit on their heads after having endured a thunderous but clean open ice hit. 
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on December 30, 2012, 06:15:09 AM
Good start for team Canada against the US - 2:0 after the first, quite in control of the game. Good 4 min long penalty kill at the beginning of the second was crucial for Canada. Entertaining hockey, lots of shots and scoring opportunities.

EDIT - stil holding 2-0 lead after 2

EDIT 2 - 2-1 in the third, Canada better capitalize on those power plays... Yakupov should list the Americans on dirty list as well  ;D... too many game miscoundacts at this tournament IMHO

EDIT 3 - US timeout, goalie out for an extra forward, US on PP, 2 minutes left

That was close, good hockey, too many penalties, Canada could seal the game in the second half of the third on many power-plays they were given, the US came back strong in final minutes, Shubban was pretty solid.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: TML fan on December 30, 2012, 06:52:42 AM
I can't recall ever seeing both teams trying to lose a hockey game in the last 10 minutes like that. Yikes.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 30, 2012, 07:29:26 AM
2-1 final score as Malcolm Subban stands his ground inna flurry of U.S. offensive frenzy in the final minute of regulation.  With Nugent-Hopkins off for boarding, and the U.S. In favour of an extra attacker with the power play, the Canadians were able to hang on to victory.

Nugent-Hopkins and Strome accounted for Canada, while Trouba connected for the U.S. on a power play late in the third.


It was essentially a goaltending duel as Malcolm Subban was Canada's MVP of the game, while for the U.S., goaltender John Gibson took the honours.

Now, bring on the Russians!

GO CANADA Go!

For the full story, go to:
http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/story/?id=412472 (http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/story/?id=412472)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on December 30, 2012, 09:29:17 AM
Tight win for the good guys. The offensive players need to step it up a bit more, but Subban looks much more comfortable in net. Canada appears to be finding their game as they approach the medal round!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: TheMightyOdin on December 30, 2012, 10:15:09 AM
Great performance by Subban!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 30, 2012, 12:10:39 PM
Just watching now. Why the hell is Rielly demoted after playing such a solid game previosy with Ouelette??
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 30, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
woo! faceoff win by Mark Scheifele and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scores :)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CaptainObvious on December 30, 2012, 02:34:52 PM
We are not having these games televised in the U.S.. Any links will be appreciated! I want to at least catch a game or two...

Thanks!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 30, 2012, 02:37:51 PM
I've PVRed all the Canadian games, but I have no idea how to share those.

 TSN does payperview streaming, but I don't know if that's region-specific or not. (tsn.ca)

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: CaptainObvious on December 30, 2012, 02:52:19 PM
I've PVRed all the Canadian games, but I have no idea how to share those.

 TSN does payperview streaming, but I don't know if that's region-specific or not. (tsn.ca)
Interesting ppv, eh? Can i watch it anytime or just the actual time of the game?...It may not even be possible...
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on December 30, 2012, 04:50:41 PM
All the games are on the NHL network here in the USA.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on December 31, 2012, 06:28:24 AM
Czechs sailed into the QF, point for the Swiss may give them QF as well, depending on whether Finland gets some points in the game with Sweden.
US completely dismantled Slovaks to advance into QF as well.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 31, 2012, 08:41:57 AM
LMAO @ James Duthie just now. TV's on mute (cause I don't really give a rat's patoot about the pre game show) But he's talking obviously (his mouth is moving) and suddenly, he's holding up signs: Hey! PVR people! Press Play! Important things being said! Don't ff the pregame show. LOL!!! cause that's *exactly* what I've been doing ......
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 31, 2012, 09:25:47 AM
okay, so why isn't that Russian given 5 and a game for that hit on Wotherspoon? At least as 'bad' as the Lipon hit the other day....


Update: LOL.... never mind
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 31, 2012, 09:29:59 AM
woo! Doug Hamilton on the five minute PP, 1-0 Canada.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 31, 2012, 09:32:02 AM
Expect Murphy to become a really good player.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 31, 2012, 09:33:28 AM
aaaaand my Mark Scheifele makes it 2-0 on the same PP.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 31, 2012, 09:37:45 AM
whoooops! :( and he gives it away and the Russians get one back.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on December 31, 2012, 10:14:38 AM
*whew* Wotherspoon's back.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on December 31, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
The Swedish coach said that anything but the gold would be considered a fiasco. I appreciate the attitude, but i'm a little worried, we haven't played one good game, hopefully we can build on the diversity. Nice to be in the semis though.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 31, 2012, 11:03:06 AM
I hope we draft Drouin.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 31, 2012, 11:03:44 AM
We played well against the Amerks and doing pretty good against Russia so far.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: princedpw on December 31, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
I haven't been watching too carefully but I haven't noticed Reilly at all in the second half of the game.  Is he even playing?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: princedpw on December 31, 2012, 11:10:42 AM
I don't suppose there is a place we can find ice time stats?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on December 31, 2012, 11:17:44 AM

Good game from Canada there. Not great, I didn't think. Lots of shots but they didn't generate a ton of good chances. Canada's defense, though, looked terrific. It seemed like every other shift one of Murphy/Hamilton/Ouellet/Rielly was doing something impressive.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Peter D. on December 31, 2012, 11:24:30 AM
Surprising that Russia's top players/prospects are non-existent in a game against Canada.  :D

I was expecting a better game all around.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 31, 2012, 11:34:00 AM
I don't suppose there is a place we can find ice time stats?

IIHF website? Might be too in depth though.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Deebo on December 31, 2012, 11:47:23 AM
Seeing Canada beat Russia at hockey is never boring.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on December 31, 2012, 12:35:36 PM
Kind of random but how do you like the Nexus 4?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on December 31, 2012, 12:38:46 PM
Wife, kids had all the TVs hijacked this morning  >:( Anyway, sounds as if this was a solid effort all around.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on December 31, 2012, 01:15:04 PM
Though Rielly did some good things, I noticed he coughed the puck up quite a bit. Hopefully it's not a pattern.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on December 31, 2012, 05:18:49 PM
Game story:
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/2012/12/31/canada_beats_russia_at_wjhc/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/2012/12/31/canada_beats_russia_at_wjhc/)
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: seahawk on December 31, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
I don't suppose there is a place we can find ice time stats?

IIHF website? Might be too in depth though.

Decent stat pack there, but no ice time stats that I could find.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Rebel_1812 on January 01, 2013, 12:34:56 AM
Though Rielly did some good things, I noticed he coughed the puck up quite a bit. Hopefully it's not a pattern.

He will have plenty of time to work on defense so long as they don't rush him.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Chev-boyar-sky on January 01, 2013, 10:35:47 AM
I hope we draft Drouin.

He's no Joffrey Lupul in the looks department  :P
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on January 01, 2013, 11:50:30 AM
I hope we draft Drouin.

He's no Joffrey Lupul in the looks department  :P

he's only 18 or whatever. I think he's pretty handsome for his age. But that's really not important to his hockey career prospects anyway.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 02, 2013, 09:16:53 AM
US hammered Czechs 7-0 and will play Canada in semifinal.
Russia is leading 2-1 over Switzerland, the winner will play Sweden.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on January 02, 2013, 10:14:11 AM
Switzerland up 3-2 over Russia with around 2:00 to go in the 3rd.

EDIT: Russia ties it up at 3 with a late PP goal.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2013, 10:26:25 AM
Switzerland up 3-2 over Russia with around 2:00 to go in the 3rd.

EDIT: Russia ties it up at 3 with a late PP goal.

Who would've thought Switzerland would give so many teams a run for their money? I hope they win just... well just because!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 02, 2013, 10:39:07 AM
I would rather have Russia in the semis than Switzerland. So GO RUSSIA GO!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 02, 2013, 10:42:43 AM
It's almost painful to watch Switzerland at the penalty shots.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2013, 10:43:11 AM
I would rather have Russia in the semis than Switzerland. So GO RUSSIA GO!

Come on, root for the under dog! Haha.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 02, 2013, 10:44:22 AM
I would rather have Russia in the semis than Switzerland. So GO RUSSIA GO!

Come on, root for the under dog! Haha.
Well, we don't usually play well vs Switzerland.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 02, 2013, 10:45:07 AM
What bothered me about the swiss is that most of them skated so damn slow during the penalty shots.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2013, 10:46:05 AM
What bothered me about the swiss is that most of them skated so damn slow during the penalty shots.

Not watching it. Guessing Russia won it?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2013, 10:52:09 AM
Man Russia really dodged a bullet there. BTW Stebro, how does Tom Nilsson look?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 02, 2013, 10:54:01 AM
Man Russia really dodged a bullet there. BTW Stebro, how does Tom Nilsson look?
He's been one of our better d-men, playing quite physical at times. But to be honest Sweden have looked really average so far, hopefully the whole team can step it up vs Russia.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 02, 2013, 11:46:09 AM
Switzerland up 3-2 over Russia with around 2:00 to go in the 3rd.

EDIT: Russia ties it up at 3 with a late PP goal.

Who would've thought Switzerland would give so many teams a run for their money? I hope they win just... well just because!

Quite impressive, Swiss have not lost in regulation at all, twice in OT (Sweden, Czech Rep.) and twice in SO (Russia, Finland).
Title: Re: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 02, 2013, 11:58:28 AM
Switzerland up 3-2 over Russia with around 2:00 to go in the 3rd.

EDIT: Russia ties it up at 3 with a late PP goal.

Who would've thought Switzerland would give so many teams a run for their money? I hope they win just... well just because!

Quite impressive, Swiss have not lost in regulation at all, twice in OT (Sweden, Czech Rep.) and twice in SO (Russia, Finland).

Its amazing to see how far the Czechs have fallen.
Title: Re: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 02, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
Switzerland up 3-2 over Russia with around 2:00 to go in the 3rd.

EDIT: Russia ties it up at 3 with a late PP goal.

Who would've thought Switzerland would give so many teams a run for their money? I hope they win just... well just because!

Quite impressive, Swiss have not lost in regulation at all, twice in OT (Sweden, Czech Rep.) and twice in SO (Russia, Finland).

Its amazing to see how far the Czechs have fallen.

It is a very sad picture. Lack of the national program is the main problem. Honestly I was hoping the Swiss would beat us in the round robin and Finns got at least a point with Swedes so the Czechs would be eliminated. Anyway, Switzerland beats us for the fifth tomorrow.

For last decade or so the results of our national team at whatever level are rather lame but we always manage to get a medal here and there which gives the ammunition to certain people within the Czech Ice Hockey Federation and silences the critics of current system. Only blow-outs like 7-0 QF loss with the US can shake up the things. The more we suffer right know the better for the future.

The Czechs were often charachterized by strong team play, which has evaporated in the last decade. Our teams may look on paper quite good but it is always bunch of individuals who pursue individual interests, very often uninterested, not commited enough, not willing enough, just having a fun on a road trip.

I was so annoyed by our coverage from this tournament, because our players complained all the time about the cold, food, traffic, arena etc. I can magine that many things in the city of Ufa are far from perfect, but all the other teams cope with that too. But this gives you kind of perspective what their mental attitude to this tournament was. They expected good trip, lots of fun, but instead it was cold and nothing to do in the middle of Mother Russia. Good that they were humiliated by the US.


Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: TML fan on January 03, 2013, 04:37:43 AM
Does Canada know the game started at 4? I did not wake up this early to watch crap. Back to bed.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 03, 2013, 04:44:02 AM
Canada certainly got into big, big troubles.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 03, 2013, 05:13:08 AM
They need to give Reilly more of an offensive green light and more ice time.

Biggs has been not bad, screened the goalie on the third and would have been more effective had his line-mate Rocco "Puck hogging no look pass maestro" Grimaldi not tried to do everything himself.

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 03, 2013, 05:20:08 AM
Make it 4-0 and the end of Subban's night.

My American wife is loving this right now.  >:(
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 03, 2013, 05:20:32 AM
Well, the game is very much over 4-0 US...
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 03, 2013, 05:25:05 AM
Well, the game is very much over 4-0 US...


Wow!  I certainly didn't expect Team Canada to have gotten this much of a drubbing by the U.S. so far.  Well, if that's the case, then the U.S. should be favoured to win the gold against whomever they play against in the final.  Their offence is that good.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 05:25:32 AM
I wouldn't count Canada out yet, but taking penalties in the offensive zone doesn't help. Every player have to avoid making stupid mistakes now, while putting up the pressure, not an easy balance. If Canada gets a goal before the end of the 2nd anything can happen. Sports is a lot about having a positive flow.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 03, 2013, 05:27:35 AM
I wouldn't count Canada out yet, but taking penalties in the offensive zone doesn't help. Every player have to avoid making stupid mistakes now, while putting up the pressure, not an easy balance. If Canada gets a goal before the end of the 2nd anything can happen. Sports is a lot about having a positive flow.


Let's hope so.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 05:30:36 AM
As a coach I would be furious about the two last penalty calls, you can not afford playing on the edge when being down 4-0. And if you do play on the edge you must be 100% certain that you play on the right side of it.

But one should remember that the Americans are doing a lot of things right too, one thing that impresses me is how much speed they use in both the offensive and defensive zone. One reason why I think that the Americans are getting a lot of chances too is because the Canadians are having too big gaps in their own zone, and that means that the Americans can use their skating and create chances.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: TML fan on January 03, 2013, 05:45:54 AM
The last few years have all been like this. Teams completely devoid of character and on-ice leadership, strutting around like their farts don't stink and forgetting what they are playing for. The ineffective and uninspiring coaching staffs are only a minor part of the problem, because really how much motivation do you need to play for your flag? More than this team can muster, apparently. Hockey Canada needs to wake up because this problem isn't going away.

I'd like to give credit to the US but I can't. All they did was try. I can't credit a team with doing what they are supposed to.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 05:51:45 AM
I would bench the Canadian coach.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 05:54:25 AM
If this is a goal then the game is on again. It should be a goal, it was something weird about the signal.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 05:55:25 AM
Canada has played like crap. Now the refs are getting in on it.

I'm not sure why I stayed up until 4am.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 03, 2013, 05:58:47 AM
Ref blows whistle in error, USA stop playing, Canadians put it in the net and the goal stands.

Hilarious.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 06:02:41 AM
Ref blows whistle in error, USA stop playing, Canadians put it in the net and the goal stands.

Hilarious.
Yeah it was kind of funny, I heard a whistle too, but didn't know why. I wasn't sure where the whistle came from or why. But it looked like the first shot hit the bar, and maybe they thought it was a goal I dunno.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 06:07:20 AM
Would anyone have the guts to pull the goalie in this situation?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 03, 2013, 06:15:53 AM
Ryan Murphy playing ahead of Reilly is a travesty.

This Canadian coach is awful, he has energy guys out there at inopportune moments.

Perhaps hiring a coach who has won nothing was not a good call.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Gerald The Duck on January 03, 2013, 06:29:46 AM
I didn't realize that the 09-10 Leafs were playing for Team Canada today.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on January 03, 2013, 08:18:47 AM
I set the PVR up wrong and missed the game. Or so I thought. I wonder if my PVR is sentient and thought 'no way, she doesn't wanna see this, I'll mess it up'........
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 08:20:47 AM
1-0 Sweden on the PP Elias Lindholm, Backstrom potential on him. Brynäs continues to produce. 2-0 our captain Forsberg.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 03, 2013, 08:28:30 AM
10 minutes in and the Russians has not registred a single shot on goal, WOW.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 08:31:00 AM
10 minutes in and the Russians has not registred a single shot on goal, WOW.
It's nice to see that they barely check us at all :)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
Swedish Television are currently interviewing Håkan Andersson, the scout from Detroit, he's watched most swedish players here 20-40 times. I wonder how much our scouts watch every single player ???
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on January 03, 2013, 08:43:46 AM
Coaching was a major issue, and not to blame Subban too much, but he should have been pulled after the 2nd goal. He looked nervous and defeated after that one got passed him. You could just see he wasn't in the groove from the get go, and the team wasnt ready to compete this morning at all. I'm blaming Spott. He needed to recognize this and didn't. This team was good enough to win the gold this year, and simply blew it. >:(
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 03, 2013, 08:44:08 AM
Stebro, Swedes looking good, quite in control of the game not allowing Russians to do anything dangerous. Shots 14-2 Sweden in the first !!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 08:47:02 AM
Stebro, Swedes looking good, quite in control of the game not allowing Russians to do anything dangerous. Shots 14-2 Sweden in the first !!
Yeah, our strategy is working alright, as long as we keep the puck things will be fine :) I think that the Russians are doing the same mistake that Canada did vs USA, they give us too much respect, too much space, we can skate around almost the way we want to.

2-1, nice of us to help the russians out :P
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on January 03, 2013, 09:22:21 AM
The Ducks turn out goalies like nobody's business.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on January 03, 2013, 09:45:47 AM
Ryan Murphy playing ahead of Reilly is a travesty.

This Canadian coach is awful, he has energy guys out there at inopportune moments.

Perhaps hiring a coach who has won nothing was not a good call.

Yup.

Spott over used Ryan Murphy and should have probably not even selected him, he kept Rielly on a leash the entire tournament until the 3rd period today when he had no choice and made all sorts of weird decisions.  This team was stiff and NOT ready to play today.  Subban should have been given a game off earlier in the tournament.. the back to back games would have been ideal, although I don't think fatigue is the prime reason he had a bad game.

I'm getting tired of the rotating coach thing. I think when they find winning formulas they should keep them and stop messing with them.  for example, Pat Quinn is available and did incredibly well in his time coaching this group, has FAAAAAAR more experience than basically any CHL coach out there and other than winnning a Cup, he's won it all. Just let him coach every year for the forseeable future, change up the assistants to give other coaches an opportunity and stop experimenting.

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: lc9 on January 03, 2013, 09:47:57 AM
Looks like my boys are playing for the championship!  I just finished watching the highlights, US looked pretty good. 

Nice to be able to follow some hockey at least, of course he in the States there hasn't been one mention of the WJC.   Thankfully the NHL network exists. 
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: TML fan on January 03, 2013, 09:52:58 AM
Ryan Murphy playing ahead of Reilly is a travesty.

This Canadian coach is awful, he has energy guys out there at inopportune moments.

Perhaps hiring a coach who has won nothing was not a good call.

Yup.

Spott over used Ryan Murphy and should have probably not even selected him, he kept Rielly on a leash the entire tournament until the 3rd period today when he had no choice and made all sorts of weird decisions.  This team was stiff and NOT ready to play today.  Subban should have been given a game off earlier in the tournament.. the back to back games would have been ideal, although I don't think fatigue is the prime reason he had a bad game.

I'm getting tired of the rotating coach thing. I think when they find winning formulas they should keep them and stop messing with them.  for example, Pat Quinn is available and did incredibly well in his time coaching this group, has FAAAAAAR more experience than basically any CHL coach out there and other than winnning a Cup, he's won it all. Just let him coach every year for the forseeable future, change up the assistants to give other coaches an opportunity and stop experimenting.

Plus Quinn is a presence behind the bench. I'm convinced these players don't even pay attention to the coach. Quinn is a pretty hard guy to ignore.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on January 03, 2013, 10:04:15 AM
Plus Quinn is a presence behind the bench. I'm convinced these players don't even pay attention to the coach. Quinn is a pretty hard guy to ignore.

Exactly.  You don't mess around on Quinn, not for a second.  That said, the kids who played for him all said he was an amazing coach and really good to him - probably because they didn't mess around on him. :)

His style is the right one to have in this tournament.  He likes the offense to play almost run and gun, and gets his defesne engaged in the attack .. I think a little too much for the NHL now but perfect for international tournaments.  His success demonstrated he could get a bunch of teenagers ready to play in a big hurry and on a short run like this, keep them engaged and motivated. 

no coincidence the last two times Canada won gold, Quinn was coach. They haven't won gold since. 
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on January 03, 2013, 10:09:33 AM
Ryan Murphy playing ahead of Reilly is a travesty.

This Canadian coach is awful, he has energy guys out there at inopportune moments.

Perhaps hiring a coach who has won nothing was not a good call.

Yup.

Spott over used Ryan Murphy and should have probably not even selected him, he kept Rielly on a leash the entire tournament until the 3rd period today when he had no choice and made all sorts of weird decisions.  This team was stiff and NOT ready to play today.  Subban should have been given a game off earlier in the tournament.. the back to back games would have been ideal, although I don't think fatigue is the prime reason he had a bad game.

I'm getting tired of the rotating coach thing. I think when they find winning formulas they should keep them and stop messing with them.  for example, Pat Quinn is available and did incredibly well in his time coaching this group, has FAAAAAAR more experience than basically any CHL coach out there and other than winnning a Cup, he's won it all. Just let him coach every year for the forseeable future, change up the assistants to give other coaches an opportunity and stop experimenting.

I think hockey Canada will have another "moratorium" after this one. They got all the players they wanted for this tournament, and still looked absolutely brutal against a team they already beat in the round robin. They certainly need to address their coaching strategy moving forward, and I like your idea of keeping a guy like Quinn in the fold as a fixture for the young guys that play for Canada in this tournament.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 10:23:19 AM
Penalty shots between Sweden-Russia...great...I'd prefer sudden until it's over...sweet we made it...facing USA should be tough though.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on January 03, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
Nilsson player of the game today for Sweden? Cool.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on January 03, 2013, 11:04:25 AM
US vs Sweden for the gold?

Go Sweden!! :)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 03, 2013, 11:07:10 AM
We haven't beaten USA since 96 in this tournament hmm.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 03, 2013, 11:08:10 AM
I know you can't base it entirely on what happens at the WJC but if I have the #1 pick this June...I don't know if Mackinnon is in the mix. He may not be the #2 choice.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 11:15:46 AM
Waited for rebroadcast for 11am, mom says they lost before I could watch. Angry.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 03, 2013, 11:16:41 AM

Gosh darnit, Bender's mom.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 11:22:27 AM
What a terrible collapse on the first goal. Absolutely atrocious. They all panicked like chickens with their heads cut off.
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Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 11:23:07 AM

Gosh darnit, Bender's mom.

It felt like an All in the Family moment.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Potvin29 on January 03, 2013, 11:44:02 AM
Plus Quinn is a presence behind the bench. I'm convinced these players don't even pay attention to the coach. Quinn is a pretty hard guy to ignore.

Exactly.  You don't mess around on Quinn, not for a second.  That said, the kids who played for him all said he was an amazing coach and really good to him - probably because they didn't mess around on him. :)

His style is the right one to have in this tournament.  He likes the offense to play almost run and gun, and gets his defesne engaged in the attack .. I think a little too much for the NHL now but perfect for international tournaments.  His success demonstrated he could get a bunch of teenagers ready to play in a big hurry and on a short run like this, keep them engaged and motivated. 

no coincidence the last two times Canada won gold, Quinn was coach. They haven't won gold since.

Perhaps find out if Quinn wants to before we book every Christmas/holiday period for the rest of his life to coach juniors?  ;)
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 11:58:50 AM
Plus Quinn is a presence behind the bench. I'm convinced these players don't even pay attention to the coach. Quinn is a pretty hard guy to ignore.

Exactly.  You don't mess around on Quinn, not for a second.  That said, the kids who played for him all said he was an amazing coach and really good to him - probably because they didn't mess around on him. :)

His style is the right one to have in this tournament.  He likes the offense to play almost run and gun, and gets his defesne engaged in the attack .. I think a little too much for the NHL now but perfect for international tournaments.  His success demonstrated he could get a bunch of teenagers ready to play in a big hurry and on a short run like this, keep them engaged and motivated. 

no coincidence the last two times Canada won gold, Quinn was coach. They haven't won gold since.

What I don't understand is why they split Ouellette and Reilly when he served as catalysts before.

Seems like a comedy of errors really. Imagine the team without guys like Strome, Scheifele and RNH? Wed probably be lucky to be top 4 and if we were wed be 4th easily.
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Post by: Jalili on January 03, 2013, 12:12:12 PM
I know you can't base it entirely on what happens at the WJC but if I have the #1 pick this June...I don't know if Mackinnon is in the mix. He may not be the #2 choice.

It seems like that kind of draft year where there's a top tier of 5 or 6 guys but no standout or marquee guy.. yet.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 03, 2013, 12:13:41 PM
I know you can't base it entirely on what happens at the WJC but if I have the #1 pick this June...I don't know if Mackinnon is in the mix. He may not be the #2 choice.

It seems like that kind of draft year where there's a top tier of 5 or 6 guys but no standout or marquee guy.. yet.

I disagree. I think, and again this is based on not a ton of information, that Seth Jones looks like a pretty clear cut #1 at this point.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 03, 2013, 12:33:08 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

And, on a side note, once again the geniuses at THN blow the WJC progno.  They had Canada as a lock for gold and pronounced the Swedes "dogs."
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
"@markhmasters: Spott didn't offer a fiery pre-game speech bc didn't want to change routine; says that may have been a mistake; ditto for day off on Tuesday"

The hell??
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 12:50:28 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

And, on a side note, once again the geniuses at THN blow the WJC progno.  They had Canada as a lock for gold and pronounced the Swedes "dogs."

Rielly had good flashes but Spott underutilized him for no reason. When given minutes he looked good with Ouellette. When he didn't get minutes and demoted he basically couldn't play his game IMO.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on January 03, 2013, 01:06:24 PM
shoot me if I'm speaking out of turn, but I wonder if putting all the big guns on a line together was a mistake. RNH, Scheifele and Huberdeau all together? Seems to me in the past, keeping guys together who already have chemistry works well. Saw bits of it here, especially with Strome and Ritchie. Wondering if he mighta had more spread out strength if, for example, he'd kept Scheifele with Barrie linemate Anthony Camara too. I'm not overly familiar with some of the players on the team, but along the same lines of those of you thinking Murphy was overused/Rielly underused, I'm thinking the team coulda used more of Camara's game. Especially against the Americans. Others?

oh well.....
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on January 03, 2013, 01:12:35 PM
Perhaps find out if Quinn wants to before we book every Christmas/holiday period for the rest of his life to coach juniors?  ;)

"Hey Pat, would you like to coach again every year for the forseeable future in a role you have a proven track record of success? "

He wouldn't say no.  Guaranteed. Guys like Quinn are dying inside every day they aren't in the game.   And besides, it realistically isn't going to be "forever".. it's probably a 3-4 year thing. 

It's just really a message that "this is now Quinn's team until further notice, and we are dumping the annual picking of the coach business that hasn't worked for four years now."
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 01:26:49 PM
Why does Scott Harrington keep getting praise? I really haven't noticed him at all.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 03, 2013, 01:40:14 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

And, on a side note, once again the geniuses at THN blow the WJC progno.  They had Canada as a lock for gold and pronounced the Swedes "dogs."

Rielly had good flashes but Spott underutilized him for no reason. When given minutes he looked good with Ouellette. When he didn't get minutes and demoted he basically couldn't play his game IMO.

Thanks.  I guess this shows Rielly has to be a top pairing guy to be most effective.
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Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 01:52:46 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

And, on a side note, once again the geniuses at THN blow the WJC progno.  They had Canada as a lock for gold and pronounced the Swedes "dogs."

Rielly had good flashes but Spott underutilized him for no reason. When given minutes he looked good with Ouellette. When he didn't get minutes and demoted he basically couldn't play his game IMO.

Thanks.  I guess this shows Rielly has to be a top pairing guy to be most effective.

I mean its ridiculous when you think about it. Canada had no offense and very little offense from the back end outside of Ouellette and Rielly so why not use them more and get some quality chances out there? Rielly had a great end to end rush later on and Spott decided to use him later on the game. Why wait? He also juggled the lines in ways that I thought were silly. I don't know, I really think Spott did not do the team any favours.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 03:07:58 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 03, 2013, 03:16:34 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Are you saying he's just an amped-up version of Tomas Kaberle?  ;)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 03:28:17 PM
I know you can't base it entirely on what happens at the WJC but if I have the #1 pick this June...I don't know if Mackinnon is in the mix. He may not be the #2 choice.

Nugent-Hopkins didn't even make the junior team in his draft year so I don't know how much stock GM's will put in Steve Spott putting him on the 4th line. Obviously his performance in the WJC doesn't help but I'm sure his performance over the rest of the season and in the Memorial Cup, if Halifax makes it, will determine his draft status.

Rick Nash had 3 points in his draft year WJC. Didn't hurt him I would say.

Definitely disappointing that MacKinnon didn't step up.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 03:30:34 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Are you saying he's just an amped-up version of Tomas Kaberle?  ;)

No, not quite. It seems Rielly shoots first and asks questions later.

Maybe more of a Paul Coffey.  ;)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 03:33:28 PM
What a terrible collapse on the first goal. Absolutely atrocious. They all panicked like chickens with their heads cut off.

COVER YOUR POINT MAN!!!!

That is all.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 03, 2013, 03:44:17 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Yeah but the rest of them weren't any better at all! He was one of the better +/- players heading into the game. I thought Murphy was beyond garbage defensively in comparison and Hamilton looked beyond ordinary.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 03, 2013, 03:51:39 PM
Nugent-Hopkins didn't even make the junior team in his draft year so I don't know how much stock GM's will put in Steve Spott putting him on the 4th line. Obviously his performance in the WJC doesn't help but I'm sure his performance over the rest of the season and in the Memorial Cup, if Halifax makes it, will determine his draft status.

Rick Nash had 3 points in his draft year WJC. Didn't hurt him I would say.

Definitely disappointing that MacKinnon didn't step up.

For me it's less about the fact that he didn't really do anything than it is the fact that Jones and, to a lesser extent, Drouin did look good.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 04:01:50 PM
Nugent-Hopkins didn't even make the junior team in his draft year so I don't know how much stock GM's will put in Steve Spott putting him on the 4th line. Obviously his performance in the WJC doesn't help but I'm sure his performance over the rest of the season and in the Memorial Cup, if Halifax makes it, will determine his draft status.

Rick Nash had 3 points in his draft year WJC. Didn't hurt him I would say.

Definitely disappointing that MacKinnon didn't step up.

For me it's less about the fact that he didn't really do anything than it is the fact that Jones and, to a lesser extent, Drouin did look good.

That's true. I give him a pass because he was stuck on the fourth line, rightly or wrongly. The top pick is definitely clouded now.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: bustaheims on January 03, 2013, 04:02:55 PM
For me it's less about the fact that he didn't really do anything than it is the fact that Jones and, to a lesser extent, Drouin did look good.

He certainly hasn't looked like the type of player he has been hyped up to be. There was a point where people seemed to touting him as a generational talent type.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 04:05:35 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Yeah but the rest of them weren't any better at all! He was one of the better +/- players heading into the game. I thought Murphy was beyond garbage defensively in comparison and Hamilton looked beyond ordinary.

No argument here.  I think there's a lot of questions for Mr. Spott and his coaching decisions.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on January 03, 2013, 04:07:17 PM
For me it's less about the fact that he didn't really do anything than it is the fact that Jones and, to a lesser extent, Drouin did look good.

He certainly hasn't looked like the type of player he has been hyped up to be. There was a point where people seemed to touting him as a generational talent type.

IMO anyone doing that with McKinnon was mistaken before, during and after this tournament. 

Connor MacDavid is likely one of those, but McKinnon is probably somewhere between John Tavares and Tyler Seguin in terms of potential and recent draftees... mid-sized centre with PPG potential and may be a "star" player but generational talent? Likely not.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Corn Flake on January 03, 2013, 04:16:55 PM
So I haven't watched any of the games....  How did Rielly play?

I haven't seen a player with that much speed heading into the offensive zone in awhile. The problem was he was surrounded by 4 opposing players when he got there.

He didn't do anything impressive on the defensive side of the play that I saw which is probably why his minutes where cut.

Are you saying he's just an amped-up version of Tomas Kaberle?  ;)

No, not quite. It seems Rielly shoots first and asks questions later.

Maybe more of a Paul Coffey.  ;)

I know you guys aren't doing this but I wouldn't judge Rielly based on that WJC. He wasn't the same player and I think a big part of that was him being told to keep it far too simple, nor was he utilized nearly as much as he could have been.  Skating into 4 defenders is not his thing. He's a much smarter player than that. 
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Dappleganger on January 03, 2013, 04:39:51 PM
I know you guys aren't doing this but I wouldn't judge Rielly based on that WJC. He wasn't the same player and I think a big part of that was him being told to keep it far too simple, nor was he utilized nearly as much as he could have been.  Skating into 4 defenders is not his thing. He's a much smarter player than that.

No, He'll have Kessel up there with him.

Good observation though. I have seen where instead of a wrister he'd take it to the net instead.

Not sure if he felt the need to be more conservative in the WJC or if he has the green light with the Warriors.

I thought he's had a good tournament overall.

Speaking of smart, I've seen a few great passes that's he's made to teammates that they just weren't ready for because they were that good it surprised them -- if that makes sense. He's got some good vision out there.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 04, 2013, 03:35:55 AM
Bob McKenzie tells it like it is...

http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/story/?id=412699

In other words, Team Canada wilted when it counted the most.  (sigh)

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 04, 2013, 03:42:49 AM
Bronze medal game: Canada/Russia  Sat. @3.30am ET
(At least, we have another chance to salvage something out of this year's tournament).

Gold medal game:
    USA/Sweden      Sat. @8.00am ET

Check the TSN website for repeat broadcast times.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 04, 2013, 10:16:27 AM
And now Reinhart suspended 4 games. Wonderful. When was the last time we had so many suspensions in one tourney??

http://m.thestar.com/sports/hockey/article/1310469--world-juniors-canadian-griffin-reinhart-suspended-four-games-for-slash
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 04, 2013, 10:22:38 AM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.
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Post by: ThatLeafsFan on January 04, 2013, 11:10:29 AM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

I wasn't impressed with Subban since the start, his attitude/ego reminds me of his brother and is no way to act. His tugging in the jersey after he stopped the penalty shot late in the third (against Russia I think) and staring down the player was unsportsmanlike and uncalled for.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 04, 2013, 11:19:07 AM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

I wasn't impressed with Subban since the start, his attitude/ego reminds me of his brother and is no way to act. His tugging in the jersey after he stopped the penalty shot late in the third (against Russia I think) and staring down the player was unsportsmanlike and uncalled for.

To be fair, the tugging the jersey thing seemed pretty popular with Team Canada guys.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: LittleHockeyFan on January 04, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
it is, you're right. Saw it from Strome, N-H, Scheifele and Rattie too.

But Subban was getting on my last nerve with his little shrug of the shoulders after each goal scored against him.....like it was someone else's fault.

I get the metaphor, but it seemed like more to me every time he did it.
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Post by: ThatLeafsFan on January 04, 2013, 03:12:29 PM
Yea that's true, I understand doing it with a big goal or save maybe, but when it's 5-1, it's a little much, probably irked me more because of Subbans attitude before it.

Hopefully Canada can capture bronze and Sweden with old!
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Post by: Bender on January 04, 2013, 04:39:12 PM
Yea that's true, I understand doing it with a big goal or save maybe, but when it's 5-1, it's a little much, probably irked me more because of Subbans attitude before it.

Hopefully Canada can capture bronze and Sweden with old!

Attitude is only an issue now that they lost. To me "swagger" is irrelevant, you just need to win.

The only issue is the headshake when a goal was scored, not being a team player. Maybe thats partially why he's yanked for the Bronze game.
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Post by: skippy on January 04, 2013, 04:45:01 PM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.
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Post by: Jalili on January 04, 2013, 06:02:00 PM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

Can't disagree with that, but honestly my gut instinct tells me it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome which one was in net.
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Post by: skippy on January 04, 2013, 06:32:47 PM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

Can't disagree with that, but honestly my gut instinct tells me it wouldn't have made a difference in the outcome which one was in net.

Probably right, and there's obviously no way of knowing, but I still would think they'd have a better chance with the guy who was playing better.
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Post by: Bender on January 04, 2013, 07:32:23 PM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

I agree. He should've went with Binnington the whole way, but to yank the guy with one game left after you put all the chips on the table and not even criticizing Subbans game doesn't sit well with me. The coach is all kinds of crazy IMO.
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Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 04, 2013, 08:31:40 PM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

I agree. He should've went with Binnington the whole way, but to yank the guy with one game left after you put all the chips on the table and not even criticizing Subbans game doesn't sit well with me. The coach is all kinds of crazy IMO.

You want him to criticize a high school aged player to the national media? What would that establish?
Title: Re: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 04, 2013, 09:39:41 PM
Spott is also going with Binnington now. Cheap shot to Subban IMO. He went with him all tourney and now he turns his back on him. May be the right move but it doesn't sit well with me.

Binnington outplayed Subban in the camp as well as the pre tournament games, and should have been the starter. Subban should feel lucky he was given the reins.

I agree. He should've went with Binnington the whole way, but to yank the guy with one game left after you put all the chips on the table and not even criticizing Subbans game doesn't sit well with me. The coach is all kinds of crazy IMO.

You want him to criticize a high school aged player to the national media? What would that establish?

It belies what happened. He criticized the whole team but the goaltending then yanks him for the bronze game? Its absurd. All he could say is we also needed better goaltending. As far as I know he didn't. If you're going to criticize the effort against the Amerks blame needs to be shared by all, even the goalie.

And that's besides the point. I think its still weird that he would seem confident in Subban after the loss only to turn around and yank him so he doesn't play the final game. He put his chips on the table with this guy instead of a rotation round robin and now Binnington goes in cold. It just smacks me as bad coaching or overconfidence in Subban who had a terrible camp and as many bad gamed as he had good ones.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 04:13:59 AM
Binnington gives up a laugher early to the Ruskies.

I wonder if Reilly will see more ice with a dman suspended tonight.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 04:16:04 AM
Yakupov 2-0 on the PP.

That one was Subban's fault.

Jenner was in the box on a silly roughing penalty.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 04:21:00 AM
The other Oil 1st overall makes it 2-1.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 04:23:47 AM
3-1 Russia and Binnington is done.

Here comes your scapegoat.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 04:37:11 AM
Hoobydoo 3-2
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 05:08:31 AM
Scheifle makes it 3-3 with all the Canadian goals coming off the PP.

Some Russian makes it 4-3.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 05:45:27 AM
4-4 headed to the third with the Russians to have a 2 minute PP to start.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 05:52:42 AM
Yakupov converts the aforementioned PP and it's 5-4.

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 06:05:16 AM
5 all with Ritchie the scorer.

Reilly has been given the green light with about ten minutes to go, he shifted the momentum in Canada's direction with some great rushes.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 05, 2013, 06:21:15 AM
Here we go - overtime
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 06:22:55 AM
Russia wins it, Murphy is the worst dman I've ever seen.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: drummond on January 05, 2013, 06:25:57 AM
lots of things went wrong with this team Canada
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 06:50:30 AM
Allowing 11 goals in the semi+bronze wont get you a medal even if it was close. Canada showed the determination they have in this game to come back, which is a great strength but it doesn't help with a goaltending and defence that is average. Even though Nugent-Hopkins has scored lots of points I have not been that impressed, I don't think that Hamilton has been all that great either. The coaching should be replaced. And perhaps Canada should do what Team USA and Sweden have done. Sweden looked a bit at what USA did right for several years ago. We had lots of meetings with coaches, scouts, former NHL players etc to discuss what needed to improve, we also invested a lot in becoming better at developing goalies. Remember the time when Sweden had Salo and Soderstrom and that was it? Now we have like I dunno maybe 15 goalies in NHL+AHL.

And if we look at the current champions in SEL, Brynäs, who are producing a lot of top talent to NHL. We currently have 8 swedish players under 22 on our roster. One of them being Elias Lindholm, probably a 1ppg player in the NHL in the future. Same team that produced Backstrom, Markstrom, Lindback, Silfverberg etc.

I think that Canada needs to work on discipline and skating too. I think that why USA are succesful is because they've adapted a style that is a mix of a European and North American style. They play with a lot of speed, quite rough and a lot of discipline. 
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 06:55:36 AM
I agree on Hamilton Stebro, I think he's definitely an NHL'er, but I don't think he's as special as some people do.

I mentioned earlier about Murphy, he is too much of a luxury, he strikes me as an AHL'er, just disgusting in his own zone.

As for Nuge, TSN needs to drop the hero worship, he disappeared in pretty much the only game he needed to strap them to his back, the semi.

Oh and MacKinnon did not get that much of a scoring role, but he did not look like an overwhelming 1st overall pick and yes that's accounting for the fact he is very young.

The Canadian coach takes more than half the blame though, he was an abject failure.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 07:01:32 AM
I agree on Hamilton Stebro, I think he's definitely an NHL'er, but I don't think he's as special as some people do.

I mentioned earlier about Murphy, he is too much of a luxury, he strikes me as an AHL'er, just disgusting in his own zone.

As for Nuge, TSN needs to drop the hero worship, he disappeared in pretty much the only game he needed to strap them to his back, the semi.

Oh and MacKinnon did not get that much of a scoring role, but he did not look like an overwhelming 1st overall pick and yes that's accounting for the fact he is very young.

The Canadian coach takes more than half the blame though, he was an abject failure.
Yeah what bothered me against USA was the gap control. Maybe Canada had too many offensive d-men. But I don't get how the coach couldn't fix that, it was so obvious. They gave speedy Americans space. Do that to any good team and you will pay for it sooner or later. And taking 4 penalties in the last period while you're down is never bright. Especially not in the offensive zone. I'm not sure how that works in general in Canada. But I swear if you'd take a stupid penalty for Sweden while the team trails and you're name isn't Forsberg, Sundin or Lidstrom, then you would face the bench. The only ok penalty is to prevent the other team from scoring.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 05, 2013, 08:32:20 AM
A question for those familair with the Swedish lineup, the commentators mentioned the Swedes are missing four talented dman at this tournament.

I also heard Tom Nilsson has been playing well, is he a guy that's there to cover for injuries or would he have made the team anyway?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 08:41:10 AM
A question for those familair with the Swedish lineup, the commentators mentioned the Swedes are missing four talented dman at this tournament.

I also heard Tom Nilsson has been playing well, is he a guy that's there to cover for injuries or would he have made the team anyway?
No, he would have made it anyways, he's probably been our most stabile d-man. Not a flashy player, but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes and can handle being pressured while having the puck.

Not a good period by Sweden, fortunately we've got a good goalie, I think that he had better sv% than Gibson before this game.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 05, 2013, 08:46:53 AM
I think that why USA are succesful is because they've adapted a style that is a mix of a European and North American style. They play with a lot of speed, quite rough and a lot of discipline. 


I always noticed that about the U.S. and how they've come to adapt their hockey program over the years in featuring a unique blend of the Euro & N.A. style of play.  Perhaps what we could also say is that this year's version of the U.S. team best incorporates all of that very well.

Hockey Canada needs to revamp somewhat.  The talent is there but somehow there is also some sort of 'disconnect', and I believe it should begin with management on down.  Team Canada coach Steve Spott came across devoid of any real imagination to improvise and help steer his players in the proper positive direction.

Oh well. What's been done, has been done.  I'm expecting far better results next year.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 08:55:36 AM
1-0 Sweden, not far in total, but hey, I'll take it. Sandberg who scored was a forward that came in as a reserve.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on January 05, 2013, 09:12:16 AM
Going home without a medal for the first time in 14 years hurts. What the bleep happened?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 09:13:48 AM
We're definately gonna lose the gold if we continue like this. Too tense, too many mistakes in our own zone.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
What a collapse. I had a bad feeling about this one all the way from training  camp starting with Subban's poor play then followed by the loss to Finland to the myriad of suspensions, to the high goals against Germany, to the lack of coherent play in half the games, to the complaints against the officials.

The talent should have been there but the team just didn't execute. I honestly think the coaching and management did this team in.

Hopefully it will force Hockey Canada to wake up and smell the coffee and really reevaluate what has gone wrong in the last few years. Other teams have caught up while we've stopped improving. Unacceptable.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Boston Leaf on January 05, 2013, 10:03:15 AM
I know most don't care fort the gold medal game right now. But it looks like these last 5 mins may be exciting. Being american I am all USA of course
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Boston Leaf on January 05, 2013, 10:10:37 AM
GOLD FOR USA :)  Love it
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 10:11:29 AM
Congrats to Team USA. I don't expect us to win, when we only play well for 20/60 minutes. The thing that annoys me the most is they pass too much in the wrong situations, they have to learn to play more simple.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2013, 10:11:33 AM
GOLD FOR USA :)  Love it

Boourns!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Boston Leaf on January 05, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
Congrats to Team USA. I don't expect us to win, when we only played well for 20/60 minutes. The thing that annoys me the most is they pass too much in the wrong situations, they have to learn to play more simple.

We'll see you again in next years finals.. You'll get home ice ..will be great ;)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2013, 10:19:32 AM

Eh, what can you do? Some years it just isn't your year.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Stebro on January 05, 2013, 10:46:39 AM
So I guess this is the time when I go into my 2 week period of not reading magazines, and avoid hockey at all costs :D
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Sarge on January 05, 2013, 10:48:32 AM
Tyler Biggs   was a +3 in the 3-1 victory so at least there's that.  :-\
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 05, 2013, 11:16:09 AM
Going home without a medal for the first time in 14 years hurts. What the bleep happened?

Entitlement?  I know that's an easy snap judgment but the adulation heaped on these guys by the Canadian media is ridiculous.

That, and goaltending.  I haven't followed Subban, but I hope his hype doesn't lead him down the Primrose Path of Poggefication.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: RedLeaf on January 05, 2013, 11:20:41 AM
Congrats to Team USA. I don't expect us to win, when we only play well for 20/60 minutes. The thing that annoys me the most is they pass too much in the wrong situations, they have to learn to play more simple.

The US deserved it this year. Congrats to them. Team Canada should be concerned moving forward in all international tournaments. They have a true hockey power on the rise in the USA. Time for another hockey Canada summit ? ;) biggest focus for Canada should goaltending!
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Jalili on January 05, 2013, 12:03:11 PM
It looks like HC has been taken down a notch, which is something they needed anyway.

Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2013, 12:30:24 PM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approach needs to be found.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: caveman on January 05, 2013, 01:14:20 PM
Agreed. I don't see it as Canada falling off as much as it is the other hockey countries improving. Heck, the Swiss were giving the traditional hockey powers fits in this tournament. The bar has been set higher.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Bender on January 05, 2013, 01:52:41 PM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approach needs to be found.

Nothing wrong with exploring ideas.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Jalili on January 05, 2013, 02:01:53 PM
I get the feeling that you wouldn't see so many people up in arms if there was NHL hockey to speak of, because a: we'd have other things to talk about, and b: we wouldn't have had such a "powerhouse" lineup with NHL players that was perceived as too good to get spanked let alone beaten.
Title: Re: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 05, 2013, 02:04:41 PM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approach needs to be found.

Nothing wrong with exploring ideas.

Sure, but it shouldn't be predicated on the idea that one year without a medal after 14 straight with one is some sort of travesty that needs to be corrected.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Jalili on January 05, 2013, 02:05:10 PM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approach needs to be found.

Wow that's definitely true and something we overlooked. Not only was it bad for Canadian forwards, it was terrible.

The top Canadian forward taken was Tom Wilson at 16th.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 05, 2013, 04:06:25 PM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approach needs to be found.

Bingo.

I also don't get this country's apparent anger towards a team of teenagers.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 06, 2013, 12:51:50 AM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approacgh needs to be found.

Bingo.

I also don't get this country's apparent anger towards a team of teenagers.


To the Team Canada players, winning the gold was their raison d'être for being here in the first place.  Winning the bronze would have been consolation at at least having salvaged some pride amongst themselves.

Neither happened because the competition was that much better than Team Canada was as a team collectively.  That should tell one a lot about this year's tournament results.  Consistency is the key for any team in sports to be successful, and this year's Team Canada did not exhibit that when it counted the most.

Even if the Canadians had lost to USA, the score could have been closer and the effort more productively consistent than what had actually transpired.  It would have made them feel better to know that they had played a tough close game.  Instead, they were practically trounced in their 5-1 loss to the USA, and then went on to the Bronze medal game only to lose a shooting match with Russia that ended up in OT. That last and decisive Russian OT goal epitomized inconsistency once again.

Hockey is our passion in Canada and we expect to see our team elevate themselves to greatness when it comes to playing internationally, because, afterall, the world's best players also play in the world's biggest and best junior league (CHL),  be it whether they're Americans, Russians, etc.

Which gives the impetus on why Canada's juniors needed to elevate themselves to a higher plateau. Tighter competition due to more talented players means one needs to be their best at all times.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 06, 2013, 12:57:44 AM
Congratulations to USA on a well-deserved Gold medal.


And to Sweden & Russia on their victories.


(I liked U.S. goalgender & tournament MVP John Gibson's Kitchener Rangers mask with the colours and emblems of both Canada & USA.  He obviously elected to keep this goalie mask for this tournament rather than have a new painted one.  Nice.)
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: OldTimeHockey on January 06, 2013, 09:14:49 AM

I really don't get the doom and gloom. International hockey is getting more competitive. Last year's draft class was historically bad for Canadian forwards. Short tournaments can yield strange results. One tournament doesn't mean that things need changing or that a new approacgh needs to be found.

Bingo.

I also don't get this country's apparent anger towards a team of teenagers.


To the Team Canada players, winning the gold was their raison d'être for being here in the first place.  Winning the bronze would have been consolation at at least having salvaged some pride amongst themselves.

Neither happened because the competition was that much better than Team Canada was as a team collectively.  That should tell one a lot about this year's tournament results.  Consistency is the key for any team in sports to be successful, and this year's Team Canada did not exhibit that when it counted the most.

Even if the Canadians had lost to USA, the score could have been closer and the effort more productively consistent than what had actually transpired.  It would have made them feel better to know that they had played a tough close game.  Instead, they were practically trounced in their 5-1 loss to the USA, and then went on to the Bronze medal game only to lose a shooting match with Russia that ended up in OT. That last and decisive Russian OT goal epitomized inconsistency once again.

Hockey is our passion in Canada and we expect to see our team elevate themselves to greatness when it comes to playing internationally, because, afterall, the world's best players also play in the world's biggest and best junior league (CHL),  be it whether they're Americans, Russians, etc.

Which gives the impetus on why Canada's juniors needed to elevate themselves to a higher plateau. Tighter competition due to more talented players means one needs to be their best at all times.

That's a great little story of why a team should win a game but doesn't answer my question. Expectations can be high, but the expectations shouldn't lead to anger when they are not met. Especially when dealing with 17 and 18 year old kids....You can be disappointed, sure, but to act, the way many have acted across this country in regards to this 'failure' of a team is mind blowing. These kids went over to Russia, skipped their family Christmas(many for the first time) and represented Canada well. The result wasn't as expected/hoped....but that's a fact of reality. Some times the favourite loses out.....


BTW, anyone who thought Canada was the outright favourite going into this, didn't take a look at US, Russian, or Swedish line ups. They were helped by the NHL lockout as well.

But that's irrelevant. My number one disappointment in all of this is the actions taken by many 'fans' across Canada. The one's that have been calling for Subban's head. The one's screaming that this team let the country down...Give me a break already.

I applaud them for their efforts. It wasn't the result we hoped for. It also wasn't the result they hoped for either.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 06, 2013, 09:25:35 AM
Hockey is our passion in Canada and we expect to see our team elevate themselves to greatness when it comes to playing internationally, because, afterall, the world's best players also play in the world's biggest and best junior league (CHL),  be it whether they're Americans, Russians, etc.

Which gives the impetus on why Canada's juniors needed to elevate themselves to a higher plateau. Tighter competition due to more talented players means one needs to be their best at all times.

That's nothing more than a bunch of pat and meaningless cliches. Nobody is at their best at all times. That's why it's called their best and not their normal. A nation's passion for a sport doesn't decide the outcome. The English are nutty for soccer and their national team hasn't won a significant international tournament for 50 years.

Canadians are going to have to learn to deal with the fact that stronger international competition means just that. Sometimes, Canada won't win. Sometimes our teams won't be as good as the other teams. That is not a poor measurement of a team's consistency. You just can't win 'em all. That's a lesson we've learned on most levels, Canada's senior men's team has only won medals at 2 of the 4 best on best Olympic tournaments, but it's just as valid for the juniors.

If the Juniors had gone 0-4, I'd understand this a little, I guess(although I'd share OldTimeHockey's belief that people should never get mad at the failings of a bunch of kids representing their country for free) but they didn't. They didn't get beat by Kazakhstan. They went 3-2. They lost to two really good teams. Short tournaments, as I said, yield unpredictable results. Complaining about one that doesn't go your way is just entitled whining.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 06, 2013, 10:06:42 AM
Hockey is our passion in Canada and we expect to see our team elevate themselves to greatness when it comes to playing internationally, because, afterall, the world's best players also play in the world's biggest and best junior league (CHL),  be it whether they're Americans, Russians, etc.

Which gives the impetus on why Canada's juniors needed to elevate themselves to a higher plateau. Tighter competition due to more talented players means one needs to be their best at all times.

That's nothing more than a bunch of pat and meaningless cliches. Nobody is at their best at all times. That's why it's called their best and not their normal. A nation's passion for a sport doesn't decide the outcome. The English are nutty for soccer and their national team hasn't won a significant international tournament for 50 years.

Canadians are going to have to learn to deal with the fact that stronger international competition means just that. Sometimes, Canada won't win. Sometimes our teams won't be as good as the other teams. That is not a poor measurement of a team's consistency. You just can't win 'em all. That's a lesson we've learned on most levels, Canada's senior men's team has only won medals at 2 of the 4 best on best Olympic tournaments, but it's just as valid for the juniors.

If the Juniors had gone 0-4, I'd understand this a little, I guess(although I'd share OldTimeHockey's belief that people should never get mad at the failings of a bunch of kids representing their country for free) but they didn't. They didn't get beat by Kazakhstan. They went 3-2. They lost to two really good teams. Short tournaments, as I said, yield unpredictable results. Complaining about one that doesn't go your way is just entitled whining.


Very well.  Call it what you will, but the fact remains that the country had great expectations for this team.  Not just for this year's team, but for last year's and the year before and still the year before, etc.  Always will be.  Because, yes, hockey is our passion. 

BTW to say that it was Subban's fault is in error.  It was a collective one.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 06, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
Very well.  Call it what you will, but the fact remains that the country had great expectations for this team.  Not just for this year's team, but for last year's and the year before and still the year before, etc.  Always will be.  Because, yes, hockey is our passion.

Please don't presume to speak for the country. I know lots of Canadians who have no idea what the WJC is, let alone have any expectations for it.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 06, 2013, 10:27:25 AM
Very well.  Call it what you will, but the fact remains that the country had great expectations for this team.  Not just for this year's team, but for last year's and the year before and still the year before, etc.  Always will be.  Because, yes, hockey is our passion.

Please don't presume to speak for the country. I know lots of Canadians who have no idea what the WJC is, let alone have any expectations for it.


Please stop coating your opinion on my interpretation of events regarding these WJHCs.  Perhaps you may not have read my previous post prior to these two where I mentioned that even if Canada had lost to the USA, by a closer score, with a more consistent effort rather than the way the team effort broke down, it would have been more understandable and accepting.

I also should add that Canada lost to the Russians in last year's tournament in Alberta by an identical OT score of 6-5, with Team Russia having scored 5 unanswered goals after Canada staked a 5-1 lead.

No, no one's "whining" (your impression).  All one is doing is trying to sort out why we didn't do too well, and pointing out that the competition has finally reached parity.  All the more reason why Canadians shouldn't be expecting Team Canada go win a Gold every time. 

Every participant in this tournament has raised their game (talent) a notch, yes, even the ever-improving Swiss.  All the more reason Canada needs to be better prepared for a variety of reasons, not the, least of which is a more decisive leadership at the mamagement level, on down.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: Nik on January 06, 2013, 10:32:49 AM
Please stop coating your opinion on my interpretation of events regarding these WJHCs.

The second that begins to resemble a coherent English sentence, I'd be happy to oblige.

I also should add that Canada lost to the Russians in last year's tournament in Alberta by an identical OT score of 6-5, with Team Russia having scored 5 unanswered goals after Canada staked a 5-1 lead.

Russia is good at hockey. I'll be sure to send a memo to 1968 to alert them.

No, no one's "whining" (your impression).  All one is doing is trying to sort out why we didn't do too well, and pointing out that the competition has finally reached parity.

All one should do then, is realize that the parity explains why the team didn't do "too well" by finishing 4th.

Every participant in this tournament has raised their game (talent) a notch, yes, even the ever-improving Swiss.  All the more reason Canada needs go be better prepared for a variety of reasons, not the, least of which is a more decisive leadership at the mamagement level, on down.

Which presupposes that what happened to Team Canada was the result of a lack of preparation or a lack of decisiveness and not, as you stated above, simply a reflection of increased parity within the tournament.
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: The Red Polar Bear on January 06, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
I also heard Tom Nilsson has been playing well, is he a guy that's there to cover for injuries or would he have made the team anyway?
No, he would have made it anyways, he's probably been our most stabile d-man. Not a flashy player, but he doesn't make a lot of mistakes and can handle being pressured while having the puck.

Gunnarsson?
Title: Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 06, 2013, 10:48:37 AM
I also should add that Canada lost to the Russians in last year's tournament in Alberta by an identical OT score of 6-5, with Team Russia having scored 5 unanswered goals after Canada staked a 5-1 lead.
Russia is good at hockey. I'll be sure to send a memo to 1968 to alert them.



Last year's semi-final (WJHC 2012).