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Title: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Zee on October 10, 2020, 08:23:43 PM
Leafs sign Bogosian

https://www.nhl.com/mapleleafs/news/zach-bogosian-maple-leafs-free-agency-contract-signing/c-319424144
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 08:24:35 PM
BOGO woof
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Zee on October 10, 2020, 08:25:50 PM
BOGO woof
He won the Cup? ?\_(ツ)_/?
Title: Leafs sign Bogosian
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 08:26:29 PM
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 08:26:35 PM
BOGO woof
He won the Cup? ?\_(ツ)_/?

Well, don't just sit there ? you broke the news, start a thread man!!  :)
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 08:27:18 PM
BO GO
BO GO
BO GO
BO GO
 :o
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 08:28:21 PM
It was nice having you around, Justin Holl. 
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 08:28:59 PM
It was nice having you around, Justin Holl. 

Haha he absolutely does not replace Holl.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on October 10, 2020, 08:29:12 PM
I need help on this one, good or bad?
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on October 10, 2020, 08:30:08 PM
It was nice having you around, Justin Holl. 

Haha he absolutely does not replace Holl.

Darn.

Well, who does he replace then?  Marincin?
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 08:30:44 PM
I need help on this one, good or bad?

Really depends on how he gets used. If it's like Ceci that's probably not good. If he's strictly bottom pair rotating in and out of the line-up and killing penalties it's fine. He certainly looked decent with Tampa.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Nik on October 10, 2020, 08:31:14 PM
I mean, the guy just played a legit role on a cup winner and that isn't any more than he'll be asked of here. I don't think that makes it a no brainer but as a bottom pairing guy with only 250k above the minimum I think it's good way to address needs. 
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Nik on October 10, 2020, 08:32:51 PM

I think

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl

And then Lehtonen/Bogosian as a penciled in 3rd pairing with room for Sandin or Liljegren to make the jump is actually a pretty solid defense.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 08:34:46 PM

I think

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl

And then Lehtonen/Bogosian as a penciled in 3rd pairing with room for Sandin or Liljegren to make the jump is actually a pretty solid defense.

Yeah that's basically what I see. I also doubt Bogosian plays every single game so that 3rd pairing will see some rotation throughout the season.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 08:35:38 PM
Dermott on the right side (until he gets traded lol)
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 08:38:06 PM
I told Carlton. He just didn't listen.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
I told Carlton. He just didn't listen.

Must have been when I was using the ignore function more.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Nik on October 10, 2020, 08:39:31 PM

I think

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl

And then Lehtonen/Bogosian as a penciled in 3rd pairing with room for Sandin or Liljegren to make the jump is actually a pretty solid defense.

Yeah that's basically what I see. I also doubt Bogosian plays every single game so that 3rd pairing will see some rotation throughout the season.

Exactly. And it's solid depth in the #7 spot if Dermott sticks around or one of the young players makes a case for the job in camp.

I tell you, it sure makes you wish the Leafs had a young second round or so high scoring CHL centre who you could think of for the 3rd line because this team is shaping up sort of nice.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 08:40:24 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 08:45:43 PM
I hope his Leafs internal metrics are awesome.
I hope he?s just being used as an occasional b-hole against the Habs and other chippy affairs.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Dappleganger on October 10, 2020, 08:46:56 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.

Same draft as Luke Schenn, Alex Pietrangelo, Doughty and Stamkos.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 10, 2020, 08:47:36 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.
He was drafted in the Schenn draft when defensemen went #2-5. Doughty, Bogosian, some guy named Pietrangelo, then Schenn, in that order.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 10, 2020, 08:48:14 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.

Same draft as Luke Schenn, Alex Pietrangelo, Doughty and Stamkos.
Dang, you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Dappleganger on October 10, 2020, 08:50:53 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.

Same draft as Luke Schenn, Alex Pietrangelo, Doughty and Stamkos.
Dang, you beat me to it.

 ;D
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 08:51:21 PM
Does this mean no Jumbo?   :(

Bye Kerfoot.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Frank E on October 10, 2020, 08:55:01 PM
OK. Who they trade now to fit Pietrangelo?
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: lamajama on October 10, 2020, 08:55:48 PM
Come on guys.....is this good, great, meh, awful, weak sauce or silly.

Those are your choices.

Previous posts inconclusive.

I need to know if I have to drink to forget or raise a glass...
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: gunnar36 on October 10, 2020, 09:04:40 PM
I like this signing, was kind of hoping for it to happen but didn't expect it.
Pretty low risk for 1 year at 1 million.  This gives us a little more much needed size and reach for our backend depth guys.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 09:05:39 PM
Come on guys.....is this good, great, meh, awful, weak sauce or silly.

Those are your choices.

Good... that we now have someone to blame when things go poorly
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Nik on October 10, 2020, 09:06:04 PM
Come on guys.....is this good, great, meh, awful, weak sauce or silly.

Those are your choices.

Previous posts inconclusive.

I need to know if I have to drink to forget or raise a glass...

It's good. They spent a fair price to acquire a bottom pairing penalty killing defenseman who just did that job reasonably well for the team that won the cup.

I
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Joe S. on October 10, 2020, 09:07:16 PM
I know next to nothing about Bogosian, so I did some quick googling to find some scouting reports and what I?ve read is he was drafting as a offensive defenceman and that didn?t pan out and he morphed into a shut down dman who hits and stands up for his teammates.

I don?t know if any of that is accurate or even close to reality, but isn?t that what fans and Brian Burke have been yelling for?
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 09:07:38 PM
This is good. Bogosian as a bottom pairing/7th guy is a good signing. Gives Keefe options.
Well done Dubas. And I still think he tinkers more.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 09:08:02 PM
He is faaaar more accurate than Cody Ceci

Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on October 10, 2020, 09:09:15 PM
Come on guys.....is this good, great, meh, awful, weak sauce or s

Those are your choices.

Previous posts inconclusive.

I need to know if I have to drink to forget or raise a glass...

It's good. They spent a fair price to acquire a bottom pairing penalty killing defenseman who just did that job reasonably well for the team that won the cup.

I Agree
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: lamajama on October 10, 2020, 09:15:16 PM
Alright....I?ll drink.... 8)
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 09:16:18 PM
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Kaberle15 on October 10, 2020, 09:17:47 PM
Great sign. Dubas is on fire.

I still have no idea how he will get cap compliance but so far, so good.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Zee on October 10, 2020, 09:18:43 PM
One of Holl or Dermott is gone in a trade
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 09:21:05 PM
Is Bogosion the studious, binder-loving type? Because it'd be great to have insider notes on the structure and schemes Tampa deploys.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: . on October 10, 2020, 09:25:39 PM
Great signing. Adds the punishing aspect the leafs need in the bottom pairing, and replaces the sorely missed scapegoat for all the leafs problems when they lose that Polak vacated.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 10, 2020, 09:29:16 PM
I'm actually a little surprised that the Lightning brought Schenn back instead of Bogosian. Bogosian played more games in the playoffs (20 vs. 11) and averaged more ice-time (17:39 vs. 10:51). Schenn only got $800k from the Lightning but I mean would Bogosian not have taken that to stay there?
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 09:38:08 PM
Great sign. Dubas is on fire.

I still have no idea how he will get cap compliance but so far, so good.
Just did a quick calculation on CapFriendly. Leafs have 2.6 mill to sign Dermott, Mikheyev and have  a 21 man roster.  Keep in mind Engvall is waiver exempt for 15 more games so they could potentially save 500k on a minimun contract, sending him down. They're good.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: bustaheims on October 10, 2020, 09:44:04 PM
Perfectly reasonable 6/7 defenceman. As long as he?s not really relied on to be more than that, it?s a good signing.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 10, 2020, 09:47:51 PM
Perfectly reasonable 6/7 defenceman. As long as he?s not really relied on to be more than that, it?s a good signing.
As long as he keeps Marincin in the minors I'm good
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on October 10, 2020, 10:00:37 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.

Same draft as Luke Schenn, Alex Pietrangelo, Doughty and Stamkos.
Dang, you beat me to it.

 ;D
It's kind of amazing that 3 of those first 5 draft picks won a Cup on the same team. Plus all of the top 5 picks have won a Cup. I'd be a little surprised if either of those coincidences have happened in any other draft year.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Peter D. on October 10, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
Man Bogosian's only 30 years old? I pegged him to be closer to 35. Playing for crap teams your whole career really does a number.

Same draft as Luke Schenn, Alex Pietrangelo, Doughty and Stamkos.
Dang, you beat me to it.

 ;D
It's kind of amazing that 3 of those first 5 draft picks won a Cup on the same team. Plus all of the top 5 picks have won a Cup. I'd be a little surprised if either of those coincidences have happened in any other draft year.

They haven?t.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Peter D. on October 10, 2020, 10:05:42 PM
Cheap depth. Can?t complain about that, especially with little wiggle room to work with.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 10, 2020, 10:07:42 PM
It's kind of amazing that 3 of those first 5 draft picks won a Cup on the same team. Plus all of the top 5 picks have won a Cup. I'd be a little surprised if either of those coincidences have happened in any other draft year.

Okay, which set should we choose from...

Victor Hedman
Matt Duchene
Evander Kane
Brayden Schenn

or

Patrik Laine
Pierre-Luc Dubois
Jesse Puljujarvi
Olli Juolevi

OR

Connor McDavid
Jack Eichel
Dylan Strome
Noah Hanafin
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Bender on October 10, 2020, 10:48:17 PM
Uhhhh......
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Bender on October 10, 2020, 10:54:38 PM

I think

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl

And then Lehtonen/Bogosian as a penciled in 3rd pairing with room for Sandin or Liljegren to make the jump is actually a pretty solid defense.

Yeah that's basically what I see. I also doubt Bogosian plays every single game so that 3rd pairing will see some rotation throughout the season.

Exactly. And it's solid depth in the #7 spot if Dermott sticks around or one of the young players makes a case for the job in camp.

I tell you, it sure makes you wish the Leafs had a young second round or so high scoring CHL centre who you could think of for the 3rd line because this team is shaping up sort of nice.
Literally what I was going to say. We need depth. We don't want any scenario where Marincin gets drawn in if we can help it.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2020, 10:16:26 AM
I'm actually a little surprised that the Lightning brought Schenn back instead of Bogosian. Bogosian played more games in the playoffs (20 vs. 11) and averaged more ice-time (17:39 vs. 10:51). Schenn only got $800k from the Lightning but I mean would Bogosian not have taken that to stay there?


Guess that explains that a bit. Interesting.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Can8899 on October 11, 2020, 10:23:25 AM
I'm actually a little surprised that the Lightning brought Schenn back instead of Bogosian. Bogosian played more games in the playoffs (20 vs. 11) and averaged more ice-time (17:39 vs. 10:51). Schenn only got $800k from the Lightning but I mean would Bogosian not have taken that to stay there?

I thought the same thing.  Only explanation I could come up with was that Schenn has been up and down between the NHL and AHL the last few seasons and has not made much of a fuss.  When Bogosian was sent to the AHL by the Sabres, he refused to report. 

They were both likely to be 6/7/8th option on D so depending on cap and need might need to be shipped to the A.  Schenn has shown that he's willing to accept the assignment, Bogosian has not.

Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Nik on October 11, 2020, 10:26:54 AM
I'm actually a little surprised that the Lightning brought Schenn back instead of Bogosian. Bogosian played more games in the playoffs (20 vs. 11) and averaged more ice-time (17:39 vs. 10:51). Schenn only got $800k from the Lightning but I mean would Bogosian not have taken that to stay there?

I thought the same thing.  Only explanation I could come up with was that Schenn has been up and down between the NHL and AHL the last few seasons and has not made much of a fuss.  When Bogosian was sent to the AHL by the Sabres, he refused to report. 

They were both likely to be 6/7/8th option on D so depending on cap and need might need to be shipped to the A.  Schenn has shown that he's willing to accept the assignment, Bogosian has not.

I wonder then if something that appeals to Bogosian is that if the same thing were to happen to him here, being sent to the AHL doesn't actually involve moving cities.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Can8899 on October 11, 2020, 10:37:22 AM
I'm actually a little surprised that the Lightning brought Schenn back instead of Bogosian. Bogosian played more games in the playoffs (20 vs. 11) and averaged more ice-time (17:39 vs. 10:51). Schenn only got $800k from the Lightning but I mean would Bogosian not have taken that to stay there?

I thought the same thing.  Only explanation I could come up with was that Schenn has been up and down between the NHL and AHL the last few seasons and has not made much of a fuss.  When Bogosian was sent to the AHL by the Sabres, he refused to report. 

They were both likely to be 6/7/8th option on D so depending on cap and need might need to be shipped to the A.  Schenn has shown that he's willing to accept the assignment, Bogosian has not.

I wonder then if something that appeals to Bogosian is that if the same thing were to happen to him here, being sent to the AHL doesn't actually involve moving cities.

I'm thinking that he looked at the current roster and felt he was safe...   ;D
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2020, 01:07:16 PM

Signing with the Leafs is pretty clearly the highlight of Bogosian's career.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Highlander on October 11, 2020, 01:11:30 PM
Remember the look on McDavids face when Edmonton selected him. I thought he was going to cry.  Can't wait to see him in Blue and White. The boys want to come home and play for the Leafs. 
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 11, 2020, 01:18:43 PM
Buddy got tired of being turnstiled by Nylander and Matthews. I respect this brilliant move.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Bullfrog on October 11, 2020, 02:07:52 PM
Remember the look on McDavids face when Edmonton selected him. I thought he was going to cry.  Can't wait to see him in Blue and White. The boys want to come home and play for the Leafs.

That's completely untrue. He knew 100% he was going to Edmonton.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: herman on October 11, 2020, 02:09:40 PM
Remember the look on McDavids face when Edmonton selected him. I thought he was going to cry.  Can't wait to see him in Blue and White. The boys want to come home and play for the Leafs.

That's completely untrue. He knew 100% he was going to Edmonton.

I think Highlander was referring to the draft lottery, which was sad and amazing
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 11, 2020, 03:40:55 PM

Tampa reporter saying that the Lightning offered Bogo more money.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 11, 2020, 05:41:20 PM

Tampa reporter saying that the Lightning offered Bogo more money.
At first I figured it was because he wanted to come home, but he's an American from New York State. I think having the bubble in Toronto may have pushed him over to the dark side. I actually don't care what made him choose us. I'm glad he's here. i thought he had a very good playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Dappleganger on October 11, 2020, 06:44:50 PM

Tampa reporter saying that the Lightning offered Bogo more money.
At first I figured it was because he wanted to come home, but he's an American from New York State. I think having the bubble in Toronto may have pushed him over to the dark side. I actually don't care what made him choose us. I'm glad he's here. i thought he had a very good playoffs.

He probably saw the ability to play a bigger role on a good team.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: Guilt Trip on October 11, 2020, 06:57:48 PM

Tampa reporter saying that the Lightning offered Bogo more money.
At first I figured it was because he wanted to come home, but he's an American from New York State. I think having the bubble in Toronto may have pushed him over to the dark side. I actually don't care what made him choose us. I'm glad he's here. i thought he had a very good playoffs.

He probably saw the ability to play a bigger role on a good team.

Probably but it is a little unexpected though, no? Stanley Cup champs, sunny south, less tax. Maybe he saw how people are with Covid and wants to escape the US? Like i said, whatever the reason, I'm glad he's here. I hope people don't expect him to be anything but a bottom pairing guy.
Title: Re: Leafs sign Bogosian [1 year, 1M]
Post by: CarltonTheBear on October 14, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Quote from: https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/31-thoughts-inside-tough-tense-early-days-nhl-free-agency/
25. On the 31 Thoughts podcast, Zach Bogosian confirmed that he was 12 hours away from a face-to-face meeting with the Maple Leafs when David Ayres happened. GM Kyle Dubas cancelled, saying it made more sense to go with youth than veterans after that result. It was a tough time for Bogosian, cut by Buffalo and looking for a new job. Boy, did he land on his feet.

"I learned a lot in the last year," he said. "You can be at your lowest of lows" and finish off in the highest of highs." He had at least one larger offer out there (I think New Jersey), but chose Toronto.

I remember hearing elsewhere that the Leafs were interested in Bogosian after Buffalo bought him out but I think that's the first time we've heard how those talks fell through. Worked out for Bogo at least.