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Title: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on December 31, 2016, 09:54:35 PM
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16-16-4, 36 points | 16-12-7, 39 points

Projected Lines

Tatar-Zetterberg-Mantha
Nyquist-Nielsen-Vanek
Sheahan-Larkin-Glendening
Miller-Athanasiou-Ott

DeKeyser-Jensen
Kronwall-Smith
Ericsson-Ouellet

Mrazek
             
Komarov-Kadri-Nylander
JVR-Bozak-Marner
Hyman-Matthews-Brown
Martin-Gauthier-Soshnikov

Rielly-Zaitsev
Gardiner-Carrick
Hunwick-Polak

Andersen

Scratches

Ryan Sproul
Tomas Jurco
      
Frank Corrado
Josh Leivo
Byron Froese

Game Notes

DET
•Petr Mrazek (9-8-3, 3.11 GAA, .896 Sv%) will start for the Red Wings
•Detroit's streak of 25-straight playoff appearances is in grave jepordy this season. There's currently 8 points and 4 teams between them and the final wildcard spot in the East
•Wings Saviour and "Fastest Skater Alive"* Dylan Larkin is on pace for a whooping 31 points this season
•26-year old career minor leaguer "Nick Jensen" is currently slated to play on Detroit's top defensive pairing. Whether or not it's just Nicklas Lidstrom in disguise has yet to be determined

TOR
•Andersen (15-8-6, 2.47 GAA, .925 Sv%) will start for the Leafs
•The Leafs will take their 4-game winning streak into the Winter Centennial Classic
•Matthews Watch: 12 goals and 17 points in his last 16 games

Injuries

•Riley Sheahan - Upper Body - Questionable Sunday
•Mike Green - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
•Jimmy Howard - Leg - Injured Reserve
•Alexey Marchenko - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
•Justin Abdelkader - Knee - Injured Reserve
•Darren Helm - Shoulder - Injured Reserve
•Johan Franzen - Concussion - Injured Reserve
      
•Nathan Horton - Back - Out indefinitely
•Joffrey Lupul - ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Out indefinitely
•Stephane Robidas - Old - Out indefinitely
•Martin Marincin - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
•Ben Smith - Hand - Injured Reserve

Stream Options

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLstreams
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on December 31, 2016, 10:40:29 PM
Game isn't on hockey night in Canada?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: TBLeafer on January 01, 2017, 01:12:56 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

I'll be at the game with my Wife! First NHL game she's seeing live!

It's on Sportsnet for those catching the national broadcast.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: disco on January 01, 2017, 10:24:00 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR! Let's get 'em!

"Nik Lidstrom in disguise" LOL - 'Nick Jenson' suspiciously looks like a recently retired hall-of-fame defenseman except he has a handlebar mustache and monocle.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 01, 2017, 11:00:46 AM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

I'll be at the game with my Wife! First NHL game she's seeing live!

It's on Sportsnet for those catching the national broadcast.
Have fun TB, looks like a beauty day for it
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 11:56:00 AM
Heads up:

Quote
NHL Public Relations ‏@PR_NHL  16 minutes ago
Due to sunlight on the ice surface and in the interest of Player safety, the start time of #CentennialClassic will be delayed by 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 12:19:48 PM
Heads up:

Quote
NHL Public Relations ‏@PR_NHL  16 minutes ago
Due to sunlight on the ice surface and in the interest of Player safety, the start time of #CentennialClassic will be delayed by 30 minutes.

Nature is so bloody inconvenient.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 12:31:28 PM
Thoroughly looking forward to this. Nothing too do with it being the Wings, or being outdoors, but simply because it's at 8.30pm so I can watch a Leafs game and then go to sleep at a normal time when it finishes!
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 01:11:08 PM
Heads up:

Quote
NHL Public Relations ‏@PR_NHL  16 minutes ago
Due to sunlight on the ice surface and in the interest of Player safety, the start time of #CentennialClassic will be delayed by 30 minutes.

And per @ScottWheeler, with all the pre-game ceremony stuff puck-drop isn't expected until 3:53pm.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: iwas11in67 on January 01, 2017, 02:23:56 PM
4-2 Leafs
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 03:29:39 PM
So this is essentially the NHL Centennial game and not in fact for the Leafs.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 03:32:03 PM
Ron MacLean really is the best.  He's reading a list of 100 names and making it sound like it's fresh news.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Kaberle15 on January 01, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Thoroughly looking forward to this. Nothing too do with it being the Wings, or being outdoors, but simply because it's at 8.30pm so I can watch a Leafs game and then go to sleep at a normal time when it finishes!

I know that well... game is at 6:30pm for me and will end before dinner...

Go Leafs Go!
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 03:43:34 PM
I always enjoy seeing the actual NHL players over their stand ins.  Somewhat sad that there were only a handful of guys around from the first 50 years of the league.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 03:48:36 PM
OK, I would like one of those jerseys.

And Babcock is HAT-FREE.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 03:53:01 PM
Anyone with the YT link?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 04:20:40 PM
Bueller...Bueller...?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 04:20:49 PM
http://www.nhlstream.net/toronto-maple-leafs-live-stream/

I usually roll with this one (standard def) because my internet doesn't seem to like HD streams for more than a few seconds.

I was on the road until about ten minutes ago, so I don't have a YT link. Maybe disco?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 04:23:38 PM
Leafs particularly dominant., 4th line hemming the Wings in their own end for long spells. I worry that we haven't score yet, though...
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 04:24:51 PM
Leafs particularly dominant., 4th line hemming the Wings in their own end for long spells. I worry that we haven't score yet, though...

Not a lot of scoring chances so far for either team. Leafs definitely controlling the puck, though.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
Puck is bouncing around something serious too
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 04:30:52 PM
http://www.nhlstream.net/toronto-maple-leafs-live-stream/

I usually roll with this one (standard def) because my internet doesn't seem to like HD streams for more than a few seconds.

I was on the road until about ten minutes ago, so I don't have a YT link. Maybe disco?

Kodi + Phoenix/Phoenix sports add-in  = magic.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 04:37:16 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 04:44:15 PM

Maybe it's just that the game tends to be a little slower but it always seems like these outdoor games have smaller ice than regular ones. Every time an attacker has the puck it seems like four defenders are around.

That said I do think that if the Leafs were to ever want to radically redesign their uniforms the ones they're wearing right now would be a good start.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 04:46:37 PM

Maybe it's just that the game tends to be a little slower but it always seems like these outdoor games have smaller ice than regular ones. Every time an attacker has the puck it seems like four defenders are around.

That said I do think that if the Leafs were to ever want to radically redesign their uniforms the ones they're wearing right now would be a good start.

I actually want to buy one of these jerseys.  Really like their design.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 05:03:28 PM
Bah, nice fake there.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Pretty soft penalty calls
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 05:06:54 PM
Why are we watching from some random overhead camera? Just stick with the normal view that we can actually follow
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
Pretty soft penalty calls

I agree about Brown but with Nylander they're going to call that every time. Taking your hand off your stick to grab someone you're chasing is pretty standard stuff.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 05:15:43 PM
Really can't believe they found a worse camera angle for power plays than the behind the net one.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 05:16:21 PM
Maybe don't take 5 minutes getting off the ice on a lien change.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 05:17:24 PM
Really can't believe they found a worse camera angle for power plays than the behind the net one.

I'm sure it'd be great for replays or something. But for live action it's horrendous.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 05:17:25 PM
Also Sportsnet is really making me not want to watch the game with that horrible camera.  TVs are getting bigger, lets create an awkward camera angle to take away that improved image.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 05:20:44 PM
We're sort of pissing this game away.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
Lack lustre effort so far. I thought the young guys especially Marner and Matthews would be flying today. Hasn't happened yet. Only down 1 and plenty of time left.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 05:34:22 PM
Detroit's taken over the possession of the puck, and have really slowed the game down. Leafs not getting much by way of quality chances.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 05:35:51 PM

The quality of play in these games tends to lean pretty strongly towards the not great.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 05:37:26 PM

The quality of play in these games tends to lean pretty strongly towards the not great.

Yeah this shouldn't be a surprise at this point with how many of these we've had.

These conditions probably benefit a team like Detroit more than Toronto.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 05:59:59 PM
Good man Leo!
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 06:08:12 PM
I know I'm going to jinx this, but Glendening with Larkin is a bit of an odd combo, no?

They're gimping Larkin significantly there.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:10:32 PM
I mean that was a pretty blatant trip on Leo but whatever.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:10:50 PM
That was beautiful.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:11:29 PM
Marner is pretty good
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 06:12:25 PM
I thought Marner was only meant to be able to score goals like that in the OHL?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:12:47 PM
And THAT was beautiful.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:13:14 PM
Here we go!
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 06:13:24 PM
Marner goes OHL on them. Wow.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 06:14:13 PM
Stifler strikes!

Edit: Lol, Matthews draws the 5-man cover.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:14:16 PM
Gardiner helping much on the 1st and 3rd goals.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 06:14:49 PM
Leafs started generating quality chances, and started scoring on a goalie they should be easily able to take advantage of. Funny how that works. ;D
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
That forecheck and offensive zone cycling and pressure is just fantastic
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 06:17:13 PM
All credit to Martin for taking on Ott and turning the game... Intangibles
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:17:20 PM
I've waited all my life to say that TO is better than Detroit, and beating them at the own style of game.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 06:18:07 PM
What a great pass by Hyman on that Brown goal. Great heads up play.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 06:19:11 PM
All credit to Martin for taking on Ott and turning the game... Intangibles

I'd give the credit to Komarov scoring that first goal. That's what really gave the Leafs life.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Gerald The Duck on January 01, 2017, 06:19:29 PM
Oh man this is awesome, such a joy to watch
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:19:43 PM
AND THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:19:52 PM
That was a ridiculous shot.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:20:10 PM
The Toronto Matthews Marners are awesome
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 06:20:24 PM
OK. Now I'm getting giddy.

The view from the ref cam was awesome
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 06:20:28 PM
Might be Komorov's best game of the year. He's levelling guys all over the ice, has made a bunch of great plays, and a goal doesn't hurt either.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 06:21:45 PM
That's a bit of a mirror Laine.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Kaberle15 on January 01, 2017, 06:22:11 PM
Yay
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 06:22:24 PM
Might be Komorov's best game of the year. He's levelling guys all over the ice, has made a bunch of great plays, and a goal doesn't hurt either.

Leo never played indoors until he was 16, he probably feels like a teenager right now, it's pretty special to witness in all honesty.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 01, 2017, 06:22:36 PM
We stink man
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:24:33 PM
Why the heck do they start outdoor games during the day? Probably not a complete coincidence that this game picked up after the sun went down.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 06:28:54 PM
The spectacle of the outdoor game is sort of watered down at this point for me. I don't mind it for the alumni game, but that's it.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 06:29:04 PM
Just as an aside, I've been watching the NBC feed in the third, they have been positively gushing about the youngsters on our team.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 06:29:10 PM
Why the heck do they start outdoor games during the day? Probably not a complete coincidence that this game picked up after the sun went down.

I'm all for more games starting during the day  ;D

In seriousness though I wonder if the first Detroit goal would have beaten Andersen under the current lighting
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 01, 2017, 06:32:29 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:32:56 PM
JVR geez.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:33:36 PM
Polak haha
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:33:54 PM
How hard is it to protect a 2-3 goal lead with this team?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 06:34:14 PM
JVR geez.

I mean he wasn't alone, but that's absolutely unacceptable from a veteran in this game situation.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on January 01, 2017, 06:39:02 PM
We stink dudes!!
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:39:15 PM
JVR geez.

I mean he wasn't alone, but that's absolutely unacceptable from a veteran in this game situation.

Ya I agree but he had it and had that split second or two with noone around him to move it and good job boys.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:39:33 PM
Judas K Priest.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:39:43 PM
Oh come on.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:39:51 PM
That was some of the worst defensive play of the year.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:40:07 PM
and why isnt that interference
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 06:40:30 PM
@#$&*#$#!!!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:41:10 PM
Andersen was being sat on.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:41:23 PM
Hyman was also basically tackled by Kronwall at one point. No call.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:41:36 PM
Well I've seen interference called on less than that.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:41:46 PM
I've for sure seen worse goalie interference calls made.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:42:09 PM
Hyman was also basically tackled by Kronwall at one point. No call.

Was that the essentially hip check a full second after he moved the puck?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:42:20 PM
Like the Kadri one just the other day had much much less interference on it.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:42:36 PM
Other thing is why did Babcock stay with that line the whole time? BS
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Hyman was also basically tackled by Kronwall at one point. No call.

Was that the essentially hip check a full second after he moved the puck?

I haven't seen a replay yet but it seemed even longer than that.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 06:43:06 PM
Well, if you couldn't laugh all you could do is cry.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:43:07 PM
Let's remember that every time the Leafs get a goal called back....or that Kadri penalty a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:43:15 PM
Ok goalie interference calls are literally random. Good to know.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 06:43:33 PM
Hyman was also basically tackled by Kronwall at one point. No call.

Yeah, but he needed to do a better job getting that puck out.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:43:54 PM
You know, I don't blame them for not reversing it there.  It wasn't so blatant as to be a slamdunk.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Kaberle15 on January 01, 2017, 06:44:25 PM
How hard is it to protect a 2-3 goal lead with this team?

Too hard?
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 06:45:00 PM
Can complain all we want about the call, the Leafs deserved that goal against for the complete inability to clear the puck.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:45:23 PM
Hyman was also basically tackled by Kronwall at one point. No call.

Yeah, but he needed to do a better job getting that puck out.

Yeah. For whatever reason it seemed like they all absolutely didn't want to ice it.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Kaberle15 on January 01, 2017, 06:45:29 PM
Let's remember that every time the Leafs get a goal called back....or that Kadri penalty a few weeks ago.
Babcock had no challenge. He called a timeout 1 minute before...
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Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:46:43 PM
Let's remember that every time the Leafs get a goal called back....or that Kadri penalty a few weeks ago.
Babcock had no challenge. He called a timeout 1 minute before...

Goals at the end of games get reviewed
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Post by: barney_rebel on January 01, 2017, 06:49:27 PM
WE RULE MAN!
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
Patrik Who?
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Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:49:33 PM
Matthews is our hockey god now
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:49:57 PM
PAPIIIIIIIIII
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Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 06:50:25 PM
Happy, but still kind of annoyed.
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Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:50:45 PM
Wasn't pretty but we got the 2.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 06:51:25 PM
Gardiner with just a fantastic game too. 2 assists. Was huge on the Brown goal.
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Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
PA Parenteau 20 goals in 77 games
Auston Matthews 20 goals in 36 games

What a difference a year makes
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 06:52:32 PM
Matthews is rather skilled.
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Post by: azzurri63 on January 01, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Happy, but still kind of annoyed.

Totally agree. Still a lot of work with this team.
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Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
What a crazy game. That game winner was deftly done.
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Post by: Gerald The Duck on January 01, 2017, 06:53:42 PM
It was the prettiest at times, it was the absolute ugliest at others. But that about sums up this young team so far this season. Either way it's definitely exciting and promising.
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Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 06:53:48 PM
Matthews is rather skilled.

Sure, but he's no Laine. ;D

(Who, by the way, he passed in goals and points in this game)
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Post by: Arn on January 01, 2017, 06:54:02 PM
If ever they sort out the defence, which I think they will with a combination of experience and one more big piece, they'll be in a very good place.

20 goals for Matthews already. What was Kessel's highest?
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 06:56:44 PM

Hrudey's right. I'd love to get an official explanation as to why that wasn't goaltender interference.
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 06:57:30 PM
It was the prettiest at times, it was the absolute ugliest at others. But that about sums up this young team so far this season. Either way it's definitely exciting and promising.

Good summary.
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Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 06:58:24 PM

Hrudey's right. I'd love to get an official explanation as to why that wasn't goaltender interference.

Kadri was on the bench and he's a diver?
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 06:59:35 PM
Kadri was on the bench and he's a diver?

I'm not going to get on the "The NHL hates its most valuable franchise" bus but I do think there's a general lack of consistency with that call.
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Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 07:00:15 PM
Hrudey's right. I'd love to get an official explanation as to why that wasn't goaltender interference.

Obviously, I'm just speculating, but I wonder if a big part of the reason why it wasn't interference was because Andersen went down on his own, and put Vanek into a position where he was interfering, rather than the other way around. At least, that's how it appeared to play out to me.
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 07:01:36 PM
Matthews is rather skilled.

Sure, but he's no Laine. ;D

(Who, by the way, he passed in goals and points in this game)

I've watched the winner like 6 times now, and I still haven't seen how it went in.  Nothing like a backhander.  (And does PL have one in his arsenal?)
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:02:31 PM
Gardiner with just a fantastic game too. 2 assists. Was huge on the Brown goal.

Gardiner also with a pretty big lead in CF% today at 67.57.

Brought to you by the 'Vote Gardiner in MOTM' committee.
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 07:02:48 PM
Obviously, I'm just speculating, but I wonder if a big part of the reason why it wasn't interference was because Andersen went down on his own, and put Vanek into a position where he was interfering, rather than the other way around. At least, that's how it appeared to play out to me.

Maybe. I'm not even prepared to say it was the wrong call(I think we all know Refs let a ton of stuff go in the last minute if it's a one goal game) I just generally don't have a sense of the rule right now.
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Post by: louisstamos on January 01, 2017, 07:05:11 PM
You guys remember when the Leafs won the lottery, and some fans were like "trade it to Arizona for Max Domi?" :P
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:05:16 PM
Jack Eichel had 24 goals in 81 games as a rookie last season.
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 07:08:18 PM
Jack Eichel had 24 goals in 81 games as a rookie last season.

And he was generational.

Well, maybe demigenerational.
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Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on January 01, 2017, 07:08:24 PM
Obviously, I'm just speculating, but I wonder if a big part of the reason why it wasn't interference was because Andersen went down on his own, and put Vanek into a position where he was interfering, rather than the other way around. At least, that's how it appeared to play out to me.

Maybe. I'm not even prepared to say it was the wrong call(I think we all know Refs let a ton of stuff go in the last minute if it's a one goal game) I just generally don't have a sense of the rule right now.

Anderson seemed to go too far to the left, taking himself out of the play. I wonder if they felt he wouldn't have been able to make the save even if he was unimpeded.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:08:59 PM
Matthews is on pace for 45 goals this season. Since the lockout only Ovechkin scored more in his rookie year with 52.
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Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 07:09:54 PM
Gardiner with just a fantastic game too. 2 assists. Was huge on the Brown goal.

Gardiner also with a pretty big lead in CF% today at 67.57.

Brought to you by the 'Vote Gardiner in MOTM' committee.

Komorov led the entire forwards with 21 mins, had a team-leading 8 hits, played a great positional game, started the scoring, and wasn't part of that 2 goal meltdown that I could tell, anyway.

Also, if there was a swamp, I'm pretty sure he'd drain it. Vote Komorov!
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Post by: Tigger on January 01, 2017, 07:11:55 PM
Sweet result.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:12:01 PM
Komorov led the entire forwards with 21 mins, had a team-leading 8 hits, played a great positional game, started the scoring, and wasn't part of that 2 goal meltdown that I could tell, anyway.

Also, if there was a swamp, I'm pretty sure he'd drain it. Vote Komorov!

4th worst CF% among forwards at 44.74. Aside from his goal I honestly didn't notice him much.
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 07:14:10 PM
Anderson seemed to go too far to the left, taking himself out of the play. I wonder if they felt he wouldn't have been able to make the save even if he was unimpeded.

That's what I mean about wanting an official explanation. Personally that one doesn't really jive with what I saw. He had gone to the left, sure, but it's not like Mantha put it into the right side of the net. He put it right in the middle. Andersen definitely could have gotten within reaching distance of the goal even if it wouldn't have necessarily been an easy save.
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Post by: McGarnagle on January 01, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
Komorov led the entire forwards with 21 mins, had a team-leading 8 hits, played a great positional game, started the scoring, and wasn't part of that 2 goal meltdown that I could tell, anyway.

Also, if there was a swamp, I'm pretty sure he'd drain it. Vote Komorov!

4th worst CF% among forwards at 44.74. Aside from his goal I honestly didn't notice him much.

Does CF% really mean all that much in a single game sample?
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 07:15:14 PM
Komorov led the entire forwards with 21 mins, had a team-leading 8 hits, played a great positional game, started the scoring, and wasn't part of that 2 goal meltdown that I could tell, anyway.

Also, if there was a swamp, I'm pretty sure he'd drain it. Vote Komorov!

4th worst CF% among forwards at 44.74. Aside from his goal I honestly didn't notice him much.

I think that's why looking at those numbers on an individual game basis is a little misleading. After the Martin fight, Komarov really helped sustain the forward momentum by being really physical, it fed the energy of the team I thought.
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 07:17:15 PM
Does CF% really mean all that much in a single game sample?

Nothing really is all that definitive in a single game sample. Even goals can go off your butt.

I will say though that we know the old complaint about hits being used as a "good" statistic and I think it has some validity here. I definitely thought Nylander was the star of that line.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:18:42 PM
Does CF% really mean all that much in a single game sample?

It's more descriptive than it is predictive. I think it still shows how a player played in a single game, but it says nothing of how a player will perform in future games.
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Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on January 01, 2017, 07:18:58 PM
Anderson seemed to go too far to the left, taking himself out of the play. I wonder if they felt he wouldn't have been able to make the save even if he was unimpeded.

That's what I mean about wanting an official explanation. Personally that one doesn't really jive with what I saw. He had gone to the left, sure, but it's not like Mantha put it into the right side of the net. He put it right in the middle. Andersen definitely could have gotten within reaching distance of the goal even if it wouldn't have necessarily been an easy save.

Ya I don't disagree that an explanation would be good. Just can't think of much else they could have seen, and I though that Anderson had moved too far left in general, further than he probably intended anyway. I admit I'm grasping at straws to understand how it wasn't interference.
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Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 07:20:42 PM
I noticed both Komarov and Gardiner.

Komarov had some nice open ice hits to knock pucks loose and keep plays alive (especially in the early third). His goal was a very shrewd and opportunistic move to sneak into a strong net front position. He disappeared towards the end however.

Gardiner had a ridiculous number of quick stick checks to defuse rushes and either turned them up ice with short passes or gained the offensive zone himself skating through traffic. His pinches and passes were directly responsible for chances and a couple of goals.
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Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 07:23:09 PM
And for those that think Nylander is bad at defense, he had plenty of Gardiner-esque moments as well with strong stick lifts in his own and neutral zones with sneaky advantageous positioning that quickly turned into chances going the other way.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:25:03 PM
You know what, maybe I'm discounting Komarov's performance a little bit in jest, but I still don't see how it tops Gardiner. 22+ minutes of dominant possession time. A pair of very key assists, including on the game winner in overtime. Heck I'd even throw in that his pass on the Komarov goal was probably more impressive than the goal itself. Was also a key component on the Brown goal where he didn't record an assist.

He was a lot closer to overtaking Matthews for the MOTM than he was to not getting a HM from me.
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Post by: Highlander on January 01, 2017, 07:25:36 PM
Ya Nylander looked good as well. didnt mention that in MoM comments
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 07:25:58 PM
And for those that think Nylander is bad at defense, he had plenty of Gardiner-esque moments as well with strong stick lifts in his own and neutral zones with sneaky advantageous positioning that quickly turned into chances going the other way.

Other people have said it better and more forcefully than I will but some of the criticism of Nylander this year is, quite frankly, bananas.

How he went from being someone we were all really excited about as a future top 6 center to being, in some people's views, someone who can't manage the position is really dumb. He's 20. If Babcock himself said he didn't think Nylander could do it long term I'd think he'd cracked.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:26:45 PM
And for those that think Nylander is bad at defense, he had plenty of Gardiner-esque moments as well with strong stick lifts in his own and neutral zones with sneaky advantageous positioning that quickly turned into chances going the other way.

That whole play where he almost set-up Kadri in OT was insane.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:28:02 PM
If Babcock himself said he didn't think Nylander could do it long term I'd think he'd cracked.

After Martin's fight the 4th line took a shift and it was Nylander who went out in his place. Not JVR or Marner or even Matthews. Even a little thing like that makes me confident that Babcock still really likes the kid.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:31:17 PM
For some reason people keep saying that Matthews is 3rd in goals right now when he's 2nd with Jeff Carter. But Carter has played 1 more game, so technically Matthews would be ahead of him.

Matthews is 2nd in the league in goals. 2nd.
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Post by: herman on January 01, 2017, 07:34:54 PM
If Babcock himself said he didn't think Nylander could do it long term I'd think he'd cracked.

After Martin's fight the 4th line took a shift and it was Nylander who went out in his place. Not JVR or Marner or even Matthews. Even a little thing like that makes me confident that Babcock still really likes the kid.

Yeah. I've been saying it since Nylander appeared on the fourth line. Babcock uses Nylander like a Swiss Army Knife anytime he needs offence because of his ability to play all three positions, occasionally take draws, and make any linemate look good.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 07:37:42 PM
Yeah. I've been saying it since Nylander appeared on the fourth line. Babcock uses Nylander like a Swiss Army Knife anytime he needs offence because of his ability to play all three positions, occasionally take draws, and make any linemate look good.

Yeah I think that we can disagree about whether or not it's the best strategy to win hockey games but I really can't accept that Babcock does that as a punishment or because he thinks Nylander is the 10th best forward on the team.
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Post by: hockeyfan1 on January 01, 2017, 07:51:45 PM
What a third period of a game that was!   The Leafs exploded then imploded.  Either way, it was at first fun, then agonizing to watch the lead evaporate. 

A beautiful gorgeous winter day, fit for the world's greatest game!  A game for all to enjoy, watch, and be a part of. 

GO LEAFS GO!!
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 07:54:39 PM
If Babcock himself said he didn't think Nylander could do it long term I'd think he'd cracked.

After Martin's fight the 4th line took a shift and it was Nylander who went out in his place. Not JVR or Marner or even Matthews. Even a little thing like that makes me confident that Babcock still really likes the kid.

Yeah, I guess my point was more just about how young Nylander is. Whatever he can/can't do right now matters but for anyone to make solid declarations about what he might be long term(or, say, make arguments in favor of keeping Bozak around for that purpose) seems premature.
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Post by: slapshot on January 01, 2017, 08:03:07 PM
I noticed both Komarov and Gardiner.

Komarov had some nice open ice hits to knock pucks loose and keep plays alive (especially in the early third). His goal was a very shrewd and opportunistic move to sneak into a strong net front position. He disappeared towards the end however.

Gardiner had a ridiculous number of quick stick checks to defuse rushes and either turned them up ice with short passes or gained the offensive zone himself skating through traffic. His pinches and passes were directly responsible for chances and a couple of goals.

Nice to see Gardiner finally getting more props. I feel like he's like the Rodney Dangerfield of the Leafs, often mentioned in trade rumours. Personally, I think he's benefited from the Babcock era as much as anyone, along with Kadri. I'd like to see both of them remain in the core.

I think Gardiner paired with a 5-7 guy in Carrick, so paired with a guy like Zaitsev (I'm not saying move Zaitsev to pair with him unless the Leafs acquired a legitimate number 1-2 right handed shot). I am saying if they traded for a more experienced, defensively responsible guy like Zaitsev, Gardiner I think would do even better.

He kind of reminds me of a Brian Leetch or Phil Housley type, both of whom were offensive minded. You can't compare stats because the Gretzky era they played in was quite different. Just the style of play of Gardiner more closely resembles those type of players.

Question to through out there, If they Leafs found another top 4 d-man. Would be better off with Carrick or Polak in the third pairing right-handed spot, or platoon them based on the opposition match-up? Carrick for against smaller fast teams and Polak and bigger cycle teams. And, who might be a top 4-guy to go after? Do you think the Leafs would have any interest in a guy like Kevin Shattenkirk to pair with Rielly and move Zaitsev back, or do we look for a more defensive type guy to pair with Gardiner and leave Zaitsev with Rielly? I guess it all depends on what opportunities present themselves.
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Post by: L K on January 01, 2017, 08:13:21 PM
 My joking comment about cadre aside I do think the circumstance played heavily and why goaltender interference wasn't called. If the score had been for three the hole. And Detroit got that goal I think it gets called back but given their come back I think that influence the call on the ice and the eventual review in the box. Anderson  was that the left side of the net because he was taking away the angle on a last-second shot from the half boards he had no opportunity to fully come across the net because there was a player sitting half in the blue paint between his legs. I think we've seen far less contact get called.
 That absolutely did not strike me as a goaltender interference penalty but I do feel that it was a clear case of goaltender interference that should have resulted in a no goal and a face-off outside of the zone

 I do agree with next statement that the leaves put themselves in that position entirely though. So many opportunities to clear the zone even if by icing and instead they tried to make pretty little tip passes to get a rush of the ice for an empty net goal. I'm sure Babcock will let them have it over that usually guys like Hyman and brown are much more dependable
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 01, 2017, 08:19:21 PM
It's crazy to think the Kadri goal against Florida was called back and that Detroit equalizer was not, there is no way to know what they will and won't call, it's maddening.
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Post by: Tigger on January 01, 2017, 08:20:19 PM
Does CF% really mean all that much in a single game sample?

It's more descriptive than it is predictive. I think it still shows how a player played in a single game, but it says nothing of how a player will perform in future games.

Komarov played well, parts of his game include ignoring possession for tactical purposes ( right or wrong ). I think you can live with low possession numbers in his case in this game.
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Post by: Heroic Shrimp on January 01, 2017, 08:22:20 PM
Why the heck do they start outdoor games during the day?

In his pre-game interview, Colin Campbell said that it's entirely because the TV people demand it.  The hockey people would prefer it after the sun goes down but yield to the TV demands.
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on January 01, 2017, 08:24:38 PM
And for those that think Nylander is bad at defense, he had plenty of Gardiner-esque moments as well with strong stick lifts in his own and neutral zones with sneaky advantageous positioning that quickly turned into chances going the other way.

That whole play where he almost set-up Kadri in OT was insane.

Hear hear.

Nylander is going to be a superstar in this league.  I only hope he'll be one with us.
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Post by: AvroArrow on January 01, 2017, 08:31:17 PM
I honestly don't see any interference by Vanek at all...  It was the right call.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Tigger on January 01, 2017, 08:54:10 PM
I honestly don't see any interference by Vanek at all...  It was the right call.

Yup.
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Post by: bustaheims on January 01, 2017, 09:20:48 PM
I honestly don't see any interference by Vanek at all...  It was the right call.

Agreed. I looks to me like Andersen's left pad makes contact with a stationary Vanek, and that's what starts to take him out of position. Since Andersen initiates contact, it's not interference.
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 10:00:57 PM

The ESPN recap of the game says it wasn't completely sold out as there were some visibly empty seats which is both surprising given the market and not at all surprising given that you couldn't have paid me to go outside today.
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Post by: CarltonTheBear on January 01, 2017, 10:08:25 PM

The ESPN recap of the game says it wasn't completely sold out as there were some visibly empty seats which is both surprising given the market and not at all surprising given that you couldn't have paid me to go outside today.

I know I read they were definitely still selling tickets in the morning. I think price was more of an issue than weather generally speaking (it certainly wasn't Ann Arbor cold). Available tickets as of a couple days ago were between $200-400 per the National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/hundreds-of-tickets-still-available-for-pricey-outdoor-centennial-classic-in-toronto-between-maple-leafs-and-red-wings).
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Post by: Nik on January 01, 2017, 10:20:25 PM
I know I read they were definitely still selling tickets in the morning. I think price was more of an issue than weather generally speaking (it certainly wasn't Ann Arbor cold). Available tickets as of a couple days ago were between $200-400 per the National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/hundreds-of-tickets-still-available-for-pricey-outdoor-centennial-classic-in-toronto-between-maple-leafs-and-red-wings).

Issue for me was just being New Year's Day. Even hangover-free I'd be exhausted for it being a solid week of Christmas-Channukah-New Year's craziness.
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Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 02, 2017, 01:42:49 AM
I know I read they were definitely still selling tickets in the morning. I think price was more of an issue than weather generally speaking (it certainly wasn't Ann Arbor cold). Available tickets as of a couple days ago were between $200-400 per the National Post (http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/hundreds-of-tickets-still-available-for-pricey-outdoor-centennial-classic-in-toronto-between-maple-leafs-and-red-wings).

Issue for me was just being New Year's Day. Even hangover-free I'd be exhausted for it being a solid week of Christmas-Channukah-New Year's craziness.

I think there is a decent argument for sports fatigue too. There have been a lot of events for people to spend money on this year with so many successful teams in the city; Raptors, WCOH, TFC, Jays, Resurgent Leafs, World Juniors and now the Centennial Classic. It's a lot to ask of people to keep spending, especially this close to Christmas.
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Post by: Potvin29 on January 02, 2017, 02:21:40 AM
I'm not bothered by the blown lead at all (even though it had some eerie memories), there was some crap luck involved (Rielly's stick) and it's a young team, and the youngsters were out there.  It's natural to see them maybe get the 'yips' a bit, but they responded.

And I cannot believe Auston Matthews is a Leaf.  I think he was actually underrated by the scouts.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2017, 01:21:32 PM
After yesterday's game, the Leafs have not given up a powerplay goal in 5 straight games (22 powerplays).

The PK previously went on perfect stretches 10/30 to 11/08 (5 games, 14 kills) and 11/26-12/10 (6 games, 16 kills).
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2017, 01:26:21 PM
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/01/mike-babcock-reflects-centennial-classic-weekend-victory-red-wings/

Babcock's post game presser transcript.

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Does anything Auston Matthews does surprise you at this point?

Mike Babcock: Well, he’s a good player. I mean, he played head-to-head with [Henrik Zetterberg]. Z had three points, Mantha had three points. They were good, too. Let’s not get carried away there. Auston and his linemates were also on the ice at the end. They put a board up on the blueline. We couldn’t quite get it across. So, you know, there are lots of things to learn. What was great about tonight’s game for us was that I thought we started good. They stalled us and did a good job for a bit. Our guys, I thought, were a little tense. A little frustrated. I thought we really came out and played in the third. At playoff time in the NHL, you’re up one or down one. It’s the same every night. You’ve got to love the duress. You’ve got to love the grind. You’ve got to love digging in and knowing you’re going to get it done. So, that was a good opportunity for our team because we haven’t had those kind of opportunities. I thought that was good. I thought we played real well. And then, once again, it’s 4-1. Just get it out of your zone. It’s so easy. You’ve seen us do it. It’s just like déjà vu. We got a lesson here tonight and still won the game for our fans. Let’s be honest. The NHL likes that it was 5-4. It’s way better than it would’ve been if it was 1-0. So it’s exciting.

His answer to the third question is the best.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 02, 2017, 02:16:16 PM
https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2017/01/01/mike-babcock-reflects-centennial-classic-weekend-victory-red-wings/

Babcock's post game presser transcript.

Quote
Does anything Auston Matthews does surprise you at this point?



Mike Babcock: Well, he’s a good player. I mean, he played head-to-head with [Henrik Zetterberg]. Z had three points, Mantha had three points. They were good, too. Let’s not get carried away there. Auston and his linemates were also on the ice at the end. They put a board up on the blueline. We couldn’t quite get it across. So, you know, there are lots of things to learn. What was great about tonight’s game for us was that I thought we started good. They stalled us and did a good job for a bit. Our guys, I thought, were a little tense. A little frustrated. I thought we really came out and played in the third. At playoff time in the NHL, you’re up one or down one. It’s the same every night. You’ve got to love the duress. You’ve got to love the grind. You’ve got to love digging in and knowing you’re going to get it done. So, that was a good opportunity for our team because we haven’t had those kind of opportunities. I thought that was good. I thought we played real well. And then, once again, it’s 4-1. Just get it out of your zone. It’s so easy. You’ve seen us do it. It’s just like déjà vu. We got a lesson here tonight and still won the game for our fans. Let’s be honest. The NHL likes that it was 5-4. It’s way better than it would’ve been if it was 1-0. So it’s exciting.

His answer to the third question is the best.

Aside from Matthews, I thought Mantha was a beast on the ice. Never noticed him before (not that I watch Detroit games) but he is a super asset to that team.  I would love to see him in a Leaf jersey, but I guess the price would be out of sight.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on January 02, 2017, 02:25:05 PM
Aside from Matthews, I thought Mantha was a beast on the ice. Never noticed him before (not that I watch Detroit games) but he is a super asset to that team.  I would love to see him in a Leaf jersey, but I guess the price would be out of sight.


The rumour at the time was we had a Phaneuf deal in the works with Detroit, but they balked at our adding Mantha to the ask.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on January 02, 2017, 04:39:56 PM
Aside from Matthews, I thought Mantha was a beast on the ice. Never noticed him before (not that I watch Detroit games) but he is a super asset to that team.  I would love to see him in a Leaf jersey, but I guess the price would be out of sight.


The rumour at the time was we had a Phaneuf deal in the works with Detroit, but they balked at our adding Mantha to the ask.

If I recall correctly there was then a deeply weird discussion here about whether or not Mantha was really a good prospect.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 02, 2017, 05:49:51 PM
He appears to come with all the 11 herbs and spices
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: freer on January 02, 2017, 07:01:26 PM
I missed the third due to a power outage, did the Goat come back after the semi dirty check at the end of the second...
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WhatIfGodWasALeaf on January 02, 2017, 07:02:54 PM
I missed the third due to a power outage, did the Goat come back after the semi dirty check at the end of the second...

I'm pretty sure he did and he spoke today and said he's feeling 100%.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: freer on January 02, 2017, 07:12:39 PM
I missed the third due to a power outage, did the Goat come back after the semi dirty check at the end of the second...

I'm pretty sure he did and he spoke today and said he's feeling 100%.

Well was concerned about his ribs after that shot
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 02, 2017, 07:26:16 PM
Dirty hit, of course it was not called like none of the 3 or 4 other fragrant fouls on us. But that is part of being a Loaf.
The Goat returned and I like what I see from him, he has the skating ability, had a two on one with Martin?
His skating doesnt hold him back, he has a lot of reach and our penalty kill is now 0-22 since he returned.
Title: Re: Wings @ Leafs - Jan. 1st, 3:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Highlander on January 02, 2017, 07:34:01 PM
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!

I'll be at the game with my Wife! First NHL game she's seeing live!

It's on Sportsnet for those catching the national broadcast.

Hey TBL, how did you like the game, did your Wife become a bigger fan?