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Title: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 12:53:32 PM
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28-12-4, 60 points | 16-18-3, 35 points

Projected Lines

Galchenyuk-Matthews-Marner
Robertson-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Kerfoot-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Holl
Dermott-Bogosian

Campbell
             
Hoglander-Horvat-Boeser
Michaelis-Miller-Vesey
Motte-Sutter-Boyd
Roussel-MacEwen-Hawryluk

Edler-Chatfield
Hughes-Hamonic
Rathbone-Myers

Holtby

Scratches

Adam Brooks
Scott Sabourin
Nick Foligno
Ben Hutton
      
Matthew Highmore
Jake Virtanen
Madison Bowey
Brogan Rafferty
Nate Schmidt
Michael DiPietro

Taxi Squad

Martin Marincin
Timothy Liljegren
Joseph Duszak
Rasmus Sandin
Michael Hutchinson
Veini Vehviläinen
      
Tyler Graovac
Loui Eriksson
Kole Lind
Olli Juolevi
Ashton Sautner
Guillaume Brisebois
Arturs Silovs

Game Notes

TOR
•Campbell (11-2-0, 2.19 GAA, .922 Sv%) will likely start for the Leafs
•After winning 11 straight Campbell has lost his last 2 games. He'll look to get back into the W column here tonight
•Matthews (injury) and Nylander (COVID Protocol) both skated with the Leafs yesterday and look to be ready to get back into the line-up

VAN
•Holtby (4-6-2, 3.57 GAA, .894 Sv%) will likely start for the Canucks
•Vancouver is of course playing in their first game since March 24th after a large COVID outbreak shutdown their team. 22 players and 4 members of the coaching staff tested positive, along with members of the teams families. Vancouver was of course supposed to return to the ice on Friday but the league delayed their return by a couple of days
•The Canucks lines here might not be entirely accurate as the media hasn't been granted access to their recent practices (must to their chagrin)
•Nate Schmidt and Jake Virtanen are the only 2 Vancouver players to remain on the NHL's COVID Protocol list

Injuries

•Frederik Andersen - Lower Body - Injured Reserve
•Riley Nash - Knee - Injured Reserve
•Ben Hutton - COVID Protocol - Out
•Nick Foligno - COVID Protocol - Out
      
•Nate Schmidt - COVID Protocol - Out
•Jake Virtanen - COVID Protocol - Out
•Elias Pettersson - Upper Body - Injured Reserve
•Justin Bailey - Upper Body - Injured Reserve
•Micheal Ferland - Concussion - Out indefinitely

Stream Options

BilaSport.net (http://bilasport.net/nhl.html)
Sportsurge.net (https://sportsurge.net/#/groups/45)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on April 18, 2021, 02:47:47 PM

 As much as I dislike the Canucks, you can't help but feel bad for them in this situation.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Downtown on April 18, 2021, 02:52:37 PM
GO LEAFS GO?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 18, 2021, 03:03:10 PM
Get a damn PP goal. Or three.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 18, 2021, 03:04:23 PM

 As much as I dislike the Canucks, you can't help but feel bad for them in this situation.

Hack the bone!

Just kidding.  I hope they are ready to play and no one gets hurt.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 03:41:39 PM
Ugh Jim Hughson is calling this one.  Now I really want to see blood
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 04:44:16 PM
Ugh Jim Hughson is calling this one. 

barf
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on April 18, 2021, 04:56:52 PM

Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 05:09:13 PM

So small upgrade.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 05:15:30 PM

So small upgrade.

This is a game where they separate prior year narratives. 

They should destroy Vancouver, years prior they would somehow blow it.

Not this time
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 06:38:50 PM
I want to see a LOT of the "Stop! He's already dead!" Simpsons gif tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 18, 2021, 06:42:11 PM
Win by alot.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on April 18, 2021, 06:45:29 PM
Ugh Jim Hughson is calling this one.  Now I really want to see blood

My sentiments exactly
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 06:46:14 PM
Ugh Jim Hughson is calling this one.  Now I really want to see blood

My sentiments exactly
Absolute worst play by play..
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 06:47:45 PM

Apparently Hughes got hit very hard by Covid. Surprised to see him playing already.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 06:55:06 PM

Holl and Brodie swapping spots on defence. Seems like a decent experiment.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:07:59 PM
Canucks lineup looks like a dogs breakfast. Leafs can't bury these guys tonight somethings wrong. Other than Foligno and Andersen we have the playoff starters plus Canucks conditioning should come into play. Leafs 5-2.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:15:42 PM
Great pre game recognition of Canucks trainer for his 3000 games. Quite the accomplishment.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:17:12 PM
Reilly gotta fire that on net.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:19:35 PM
Honestly feels like Mikheyev should have 20 goals this year. Man he misses a lot of chances. He's found another gear since the injury but not capitalizing on many of his chances.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 18, 2021, 07:21:29 PM
My boy :)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:21:48 PM
Atta boy Willy. Use that shot more.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 07:21:55 PM
Astute observation from Hughson. "Canucks are happy this game has started 5 on 5" as opposed to what Jim? All those games you start 5 on 3?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:22:37 PM
My boy :)

He's got such a great shot but my opinion not using it anywhere near as much as he should.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:24:13 PM
Honestly feels like Mikheyev should have 20 goals this year. Man he misses a lot of chances. He's found another gear since the injury but not capitalizing on many of his chances.
He def generates quite a bit of offence. Funny thing he only has 3 less 5v5 goals then Hyman.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:26:07 PM
Honestly feels like Mikheyev should have 20 goals this year. Man he misses a lot of chances. He's found another gear since the injury but not capitalizing on many of his chances.
He def generates quite a bit of offence. Funny thing he only has 3 less 5v5 goals then Hyman.

I love soupy if he could ever find a scoring touch lookout.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:26:28 PM
Astute observation from Hughson. "Canucks are happy this game has started 5 on 5" as opposed to what Jim? All those games you start 5 on 3?
The worst especially paired with Simpson. I feel for Cuthbert who is excellent but has to carry that anchor Simpson when he calls the games.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 07:26:33 PM
My boy :)

He's got such a great shot but my opinion not using it anywhere near as much as he should.
Agree on Willy his wrist shot is very good he should unload it more often.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:26:43 PM
Nylander with #2 coming up.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:27:26 PM
Honestly feels like Mikheyev should have 20 goals this year. Man he misses a lot of chances. He's found another gear since the injury but not capitalizing on many of his chances.
He def generates quite a bit of offence. Funny thing he only has 3 less 5v5 goals then Hyman.

I love soupy if he could ever find a scoring touch lookout.
Me too. He'd be scary good.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:28:23 PM
That last Rielly rush was so bad lol.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 18, 2021, 07:28:59 PM
Absolute galaxy brain to deke the heck out of the first forechecker to make the drop pass lol
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on April 18, 2021, 07:29:37 PM
Ok keep the codgers out for the PP...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 07:29:39 PM
The PP can't even score against the covid Canucks
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:29:54 PM
Spezza misses open net. The old guys are better then the stars lol.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
Rielly is the Leafs best penalty killer.  I just don’t understand how you have Rielly out there at this point.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:30:18 PM
Holy f 50 million dollars on the ice on a PP and we cant even get into the zone. Message to the coaches enough of this drop pass shit every single time. Reilly one of the best skaters can enter the zone with speed and we keep dropping it back. Absolutely ridiculous what these coaches get paid for.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:32:08 PM
Rielly is the Leafs best penalty killer.  I just don’t understand how you have Rielly out there at this point.
I don't get it either. It's clear he's an anchor right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Gerald The Duck on April 18, 2021, 07:32:14 PM
Put Galchenyuk on the top unit (again? I honestly can't remember if he was there for a period recently...).
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 18, 2021, 07:32:21 PM
My boy :)

He's got such a great shot but my opinion not using it anywhere near as much as he should.

He is third on the Leafs’ top-6 in taking shot attempts at 5v5, behind Matthews and Tavares.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on April 18, 2021, 07:34:07 PM
Was a great play by Galchenyuk to get the pass over to Spezza though.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:34:14 PM
Rielly is the Leafs best penalty killer.  I just don’t understand how you have Rielly out there at this point.

I wanna know what Dubas and Shanny are bloody watching. Coaches don't want to change and try something different maybe they should be told to do so. This has gone on long enough or bring someone else in to replace Malhotra.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:34:21 PM
My boy :)

He's got such a great shot but my opinion not using it anywhere near as much as he should.

He is third on the Leafs’ top-6 in taking shot attempts at 5v5, behind Matthews and Tavares.
Wouldn't bother me to see him shoot more..he's got a great shot.
That was a great pass by Thornton.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 07:34:24 PM
This game feels like the Leafs are holding back just a little bit but Vancouver is 2 steps behind the play
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:36:05 PM
Rielly is the Leafs best penalty killer.  I just don’t understand how you have Rielly out there at this point.

I wanna know what Dubas and Shanny are bloody watching. Coaches don't want to change and try something different maybe they should be told to do so. This has gone on long enough or bring someone else in to replace Malhotra.
They're not replacing Maholtra.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:36:43 PM
Was a great play by Galchenyuk to get the pass over to Spezza though.
Certainly was. Guy has skill.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:37:15 PM
Why do we insist to pass the bloody puck when we are in a prime shooting position. Overpassing exactly Simpson is right. Shit is really irking me. Shoot the thing never mind trying to pad Matthews numbers his goals will come.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 07:37:22 PM
Astute observation from Hughson. "Canucks are happy this game has started 5 on 5" as opposed to what Jim? All those games you start 5 on 3?
It was an honestly baffling statement. It was less than 4 minutes into the game. The most generous interpretation of his comment was that the Canucks hadn't yet been penalized, but literally minutes into the game?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 07:38:13 PM
They're going to overpass this whole game, calling it now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:39:35 PM
Rielly is the Leafs best penalty killer.  I just don’t understand how you have Rielly out there at this point.

I wanna know what Dubas and Shanny are bloody watching. Coaches don't want to change and try something different maybe they should be told to do so. This has gone on long enough or bring someone else in to replace Malhotra.
They're not replacing Maholtra.

Why not? If he is in charge of the shitshow PP he should be. If anything it's the inability to try and change anything. Same guys out there, same setup same bull#$#%. PP was #1 in the league beginning of year. What are they doing different and no I don't expect them to click at 40% but 4 % is a f'n joke with the talent they have out there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 07:40:40 PM
Not sure if the Leafs look good or if the Canucks look a step or two slower...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 07:41:56 PM
Sloppy period. Leafs with guys in scoring positions and the puck either hops off the stick or shot blocked. Should be up by more than 1
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:42:43 PM
They're going to overpass this whole game, calling it now.

I blame that on Keefe. Doesn't he see that? Marner is terrible for that but a lot of them seem to be doing the same. Tell them to start firing it when in a prime scoring area. Doesn't have to be a pretty 3 way passing play all the time. We should be up by 3 or 4 already.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 18, 2021, 07:44:30 PM
My boy :)

He's got such a great shot but my opinion not using it anywhere near as much as he should.

He is third on the Leafs’ top-6 in taking shot attempts at 5v5, behind Matthews and Tavares.
Wouldn't bother me to see him shoot more..he's got a great shot.

Wouldn’t bother me either, but he is not under shooting, and he’s pretty top on the team in passes leading to high danger shot attempts, which is less apparent when his primary shooting linemate is at <5% most of the season, and the other winger was Vesey
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 07:46:26 PM
Hughson and Simpson are really clueless.  This is literally the first game the Leafs have used different defense pairing all year
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:47:37 PM
Definitely shouldn't be 1-0.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 07:52:08 PM
Hughson and Simpson are really clueless.  This is literally the first game the Leafs have used different defense pairing all year

I didn't mind these 2 in years past and being in BC used to hear Hughson a lot with the Canucks. That has definitely changed. Canuck homer and distaste for the Leafs is so obvious. nothing better than a 8-0 shellacking to shut him up.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 07:53:59 PM
Hughson and Simpson are really clueless.  This is literally the first game the Leafs have used different defense pairing all year
I really wish Dennis Beyak had stayed in Toronto to do play-by-play instead of going to Winnipeg. It's generous to call Hughson mediocre.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 07:57:24 PM
Hughson and Simpson are really clueless.  This is literally the first game the Leafs have used different defense pairing all year
I really wish Dennis Beyak had stayed in Toronto to do play-by-play instead of going to Winnipeg. It's generous to call Hughson mediocre.
Beyak would be an improvement..I think Miller or Cuthbert should be the only ones allowed to call games with Ray Ferarro
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 07:57:52 PM
Hearing Bieksa talk about how much the equipment guys do make me think teams should probably hire more people to do that stuff.

He literally said these guys sleep at the rink sometimes because there's so much to do.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 08:01:28 PM
Hearing Bieksa talk about how much the equipment guys do make me think teams should probably hire more people to do that stuff.

He literally said these guys sleep at the rink sometimes because there's so much to do.
Yeah kinda not cool
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:06:18 PM
 Another Leaf site and even the commentators wondering why the over passing.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:07:57 PM
I'll say it again if the Leafs don;'t trade Reilly next year they're making a huge mistake. 9th year in the league and still hasn't figured how to defend.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 08:08:52 PM
This leafs team plays to the level they think their opponent is at and not a notch higher ... A recipe for more losses
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on April 18, 2021, 08:13:49 PM
If there ever was a game that screamed blowout this is it but man, the Leafs never do anything easy.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:15:36 PM
Decline
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
They're going to overpass this whole game, calling it now.

They really have no killer instinct. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:16:41 PM
Start the old guys!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:19:19 PM
They're going to overpass this whole game, calling it now.

They really have no killer instinct.

You know the players are ultimately the ones to play the way they do. Having said that how much does coaching come into play regarding the lack of shooting when in a prime scoring area? Does Keefe have no say in the matter? Put that in their minds to shoot the puck. if they don't want to listen then maybe bench some I'm sure the rest will get the message.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 08:19:22 PM
This is embarrassing
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 08:20:36 PM
They're going to overpass this whole game, calling it now.

They really have no killer instinct.
I can have some sympathy for it. If the Leafs were banging everybody and crashing the crease, it might rightly be considered unsportsmanlike, under the game's circumstances.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: louisstamos on April 18, 2021, 08:22:17 PM
That doesn't look good on Hyman.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:22:25 PM
Someone should have drove Edlers head into the net at the end of that play. Screw the PP that was cheap.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 08:22:31 PM
That doesn’t look good for Hyman whatsoever
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:22:37 PM
That was a better PP.
That was a dirty hit on Hyman.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on April 18, 2021, 08:22:42 PM
Oh freaking oh. Hyman hurt. Looks bad. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:22:43 PM
That was brutal on Hyman.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 08:22:57 PM
Dirty play there. Jesus.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 08:23:08 PM
Ouch Hyman!!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:23:23 PM
Someone should have drove Edlers head into the net at the end of that play. Screw the PP that was cheap.
No..take a number and get him back later. Simmonds can deal with him.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:24:25 PM
They're going to overpass this whole game, calling it now.

They really have no killer instinct.
I can have some sympathy for it. If the Leafs were banging everybody and crashing the crease, it might rightly be considered unsportsmanlike, under the game's circumstances.

Why don't we just cancel it then. It is what it is unfortunate but the game goes on.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:24:38 PM
Proper call.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 08:24:47 PM
I feel like the Leafs have been playing passively but at this point I think you need to stop doing that after this play.  Run the score up
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:25:17 PM
Someone should have drove Edlers head into the net at the end of that play. Screw the PP that was cheap.
No..take a number and get him back later. Simmonds can deal with him.

Nope I would have flattened him then and now. Nothing will happen now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 08:26:01 PM
Rielly is so slow at moving the puck.  I get some of this is mental but he needs to be moved off the top unit.  Just one fricking attempt
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Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:27:20 PM
That's 2 open nets they've missed.
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Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:28:43 PM
Rielly is so slow at moving the puck.  I get some of this is mental but he needs to be moved off the top unit.  Just one fricking attempt

Coaching staff are too stupid to do that. As much as this PP sucks lately it's all status quo. Nothing changes. It's like these guys are owed something. Said it a million times whether you're paid like a star or not if you're not contributing move over.
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Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 08:29:15 PM
Great save Holtby
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Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 08:29:47 PM
Where’s Hyman?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 08:30:11 PM
Holtby with a great save on Galch there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:30:33 PM
Where’s Hyman?
In the room.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 08:30:40 PM
Where’s Hyman?

Injured by a dirty knee from Edler
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Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 08:30:49 PM
Oh man .
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Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 08:31:28 PM
Leafs lose this game and it's more of an embarrassment then the Ayres game.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
Matthews scores!
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Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 08:32:23 PM
Thank everything for Matthew
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Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:32:55 PM
Hughson STFU. That didn't go in. What a homer.
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Post by: barney_rebel on April 18, 2021, 08:33:06 PM
We rule man
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:33:49 PM
So obviously the strategy is to lure the opponents into making a SH attempt and then score off the rush. 

Not impressive.

Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 08:34:07 PM
Perfect chip by Matthews.

So... we're pretty much screwed when Matthews doesn't score right? Maybe we could've used Taylor Hall...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:34:15 PM
Where’s Hyman?

Injured by a dirty knee from Edler

That should be a suspension.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:34:38 PM
Leafs lose this game and it's more of an embarrassment then the Ayres game.
Seriously? They've actually generated chances on the PP. Missed 2 open nets, Holtby made some big saves.
I hope Hyman isn't seriously hurt.
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Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 08:34:51 PM
Literally took them 5 minutes to get a PP goal and it wasn't even a PP setup just a rush goal. This team is infuriating
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Post by: Bullfrog on April 18, 2021, 08:35:24 PM
Of course Holtby enters god-mode.
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Post by: barney_rebel on April 18, 2021, 08:35:45 PM
We stink dudes
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Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:35:52 PM
FF sakes
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:35:59 PM
Good.  They didn't deserve a 2-goal lead on that major.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 08:36:09 PM
Leafs lose this game and it's more of an embarrassment then the Ayres game.
Seriously? They've actually generated chances on the PP. Missed 2 open nets, Holtby made some big saves.
I hope Hyman isn't seriously hurt.
Yeah seriously. Canucks haven't played in 3 weeks and are all out of game shape. Leafs keeping them around by not taking advantage. Shouldn't even have allowed a goal
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: lamajama on April 18, 2021, 08:36:14 PM
Jack is not Jacking right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:36:29 PM
This team is going to need Freddie back, like it or not.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:37:28 PM
Leafs lose this game and it's more of an embarrassment then the Ayres game.
Seriously? They've actually generated chances on the PP. Missed 2 open nets, Holtby made some big saves.
I hope Hyman isn't seriously hurt.
Yeah seriously. Canucks haven't played in 3 weeks and are all out of game shape. Leafs keeping them around by not taking advantage. Shouldn't even have allowed a goal
Tell Jack that.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
Funny.  Talk about running up the score, they'll be lucky to win this thing.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 08:40:56 PM
What exactly is the recent Leafs strategy? Let their opponent stay in the game just long enough to give up the lead?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:41:28 PM
This doesn't look like a team that is in any danger of going deep.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 18, 2021, 08:42:06 PM
Holtby has been good tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:42:44 PM
A depleted team that hasn't played in ages. 3 PP's, one a 5 minute major, Canucks have had none, 30-12 shots through 2 periods and we are up by 1. Who woulda thunk?
Title: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 08:42:55 PM
This doesn't look like a team that is in any danger of going deep.
This is so bad. I honestly expected a blow out and it's a 1 goal game going into the 3rd. Had the Canucks been playing the Oilers youth know it would be 6-0 right now
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 08:43:30 PM
This doesn't look like a team that is in any danger of going deep.

Depends on what team we’re getting on any particular night  . Jekyll or Hyde?
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Post by: Rob on April 18, 2021, 08:48:04 PM
Jack is not Jacking right now.

He kinda is.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 08:49:47 PM
A depleted team that hasn't played in ages. 3 PP's, one a 5 minute major, Canucks have had none, 30-12 shots through 2 periods and we are up by 1. Who woulda thunk?
Holtby has been good
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 08:50:52 PM
If Hyman is out long term we are screwed. I am the fan of a cursed team.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 08:52:18 PM
A depleted team that hasn't played in ages. 3 PP's, one a 5 minute major, Canucks have had none, 30-12 shots through 2 periods and we are up by 1. Who woulda thunk?
Holtby has been good

He has, but they were out against exhausted PKers 2 or 3 times and could only barely eke at a goal at the end of 5 minutes.  Just pathetic execution.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:54:21 PM
A depleted team that hasn't played in ages. 3 PP's, one a 5 minute major, Canucks have had none, 30-12 shots through 2 periods and we are up by 1. Who woulda thunk?
Holtby has been good

Yes but we've squandered some good chances because they think they have to make that perfect play. Should of had 3 -4 in the 1st alone. Canucks are going to get a PP or two in the 3rd. That will be the telling tale how this game plays out. Unfortunately it shouldn't even have to come to that if they buried some of their chances.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 08:56:18 PM
A depleted team that hasn't played in ages. 3 PP's, one a 5 minute major, Canucks have had none, 30-12 shots through 2 periods and we are up by 1. Who woulda thunk?
Holtby has been good

He has, but they were out against exhausted PKers 2 or 3 times and could only barely eke at a goal at the end of 5 minutes.  Just pathetic execution.
Who cares, they scored on it. They could have had 2 other goals except JT missed an open net and Holtby made a big save in Gally.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 08:57:02 PM
If Hyman is out long term we are screwed. I am the fan of a cursed team.

Wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:00:12 PM
If Hyman is out long term we are screwed. I am the fan of a cursed team.

Wouldn't surprise me.
We're not screwed.  He's an important player but he isn't Matthews.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:00:45 PM
The last couple of games Marner has been doing a little too much lying to stick handle through four players
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Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 09:01:23 PM
Robertson needs a skate sharpening
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 09:02:21 PM
If Hyman is out long term we are screwed. I am the fan of a cursed team.

Wouldn't surprise me.
We're not screwed.  He's an important player but he isn't Matthews.
Messes up the other lines. The third line has nothing going on without Hyman. Also Hyman can get either of the first two lines going when needed. He's also a penalty killer and great defensively so he's pretty important
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:02:51 PM
The last couple of games Marner has been doing a little too much lying to stick handle through four players
Agreed and in the wrong place on the ice.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:03:35 PM
These cross ice one timer plays aren't working. They need to get in front of the goalie and just shovel one in.
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Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:04:30 PM
And they're still over passing because they want pretty goals.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:05:52 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:06:08 PM
Man Robertson has a rocket. Almost got one there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:06:38 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.
He's 19.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:07:14 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.
Keep watching he just a kid.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 09:07:41 PM
Jim Hughson is getting excited
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Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 09:08:57 PM
Bogosian!!    ;D
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:09:20 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.

He’s an evasive player who has an NHL caliber shot.  He needs more seasoning to improve his NHL timing and to get stronger but he isn’t there just yet
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 09:12:24 PM
Canucks probably running on adrenaline and emotion tonight. I bet they're worse on Tuesday
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Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 09:13:37 PM


I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.

He's 19.

Yep.  Frame of reference, Joe Thornton had 3 goals and 4 assists in 55 games as a 1st overall draft pick rookie. He turned out okay.
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Post by: Chris on April 18, 2021, 09:14:37 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.

Really? The guy oozes skill all over the place. He's quick, tenacious, passes well, has the great shot. Possibly not strong enough and not used to his linemates but man...it's obvious the guy has tons of talent.
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:15:15 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.



He’s an evasive player who has an NHL caliber shot.  He needs more seasoning to improve his NHL timing and to get stronger but he isn’t there just yet

He's young, he's speedy, and his can fire the puck — but so far not very accurately.  He's also small.  Hope he can make an impact but I have some doubts.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:16:12 PM
Holtby has the horse with him to tonight.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:16:32 PM
Holtby with The Pinwheel.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:16:42 PM
Holtby has the horse with him to tonight.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 09:17:03 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.

That set up to Simmonds was pretty legit
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 09:17:08 PM
Holtby has the horse with him to tonight.

 ;D

Yup.  Let's play them again real soon!!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 18, 2021, 09:18:19 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.

That set up to Simmonds was pretty legit

That was a high end play for sure.

I think Robertson is rushing things at times, especially his shot. And he's fallen in the corners a number of times while trying to spin/pivot. Once he slows things down he should be fine.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:18:28 PM
I'm not seeing what all the love for Robertson is.



He’s an evasive player who has an NHL caliber shot.  He needs more seasoning to improve his NHL timing and to get stronger but he isn’t there just yet

He's young, he's speedy, and his can fire the puck — but so far not very accurately.  He's also small.  Hope he can make an impact but I have some doubts.
His brother who's almost 2 years older and taller is only starting to make an impact now. Patience.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 09:19:36 PM
You just have to laugh at this point. What a disaster
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:19:36 PM
HAHAHAHAHA what a joke.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:19:44 PM
Great defence there. Rielly doing nothing again.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:19:49 PM
Yeah this team isn’t winning a Cup
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on April 18, 2021, 09:19:52 PM
We stink dudes...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 18, 2021, 09:20:06 PM
And here come the boos.
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Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:20:13 PM
That one's on Matthews.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:20:51 PM
Can we say the D pairings aren't working?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:21:08 PM
Why is it whenever we make a mistake we pay? Ugh.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 09:21:20 PM
Which team was just ravaged by Covid ?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 18, 2021, 09:22:39 PM
That was some textbook defensive coverage in front of the net. Geez.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 09:22:53 PM
Which team was just ravaged by Covid ?

Your Honor I present Nylander...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 18, 2021, 09:23:10 PM
Zamboni game part 2

Can't beat a covid riddled team.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:23:39 PM
That one's on Matthews.
Why is Rielly out at the point? He's supposed to be at the net.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 09:24:24 PM
Canucks outshooting the Leafs in the 3rd
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 18, 2021, 09:24:30 PM
Maybe... the Leafs should try getting covid...?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:24:56 PM
This effort in the third is something else. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Deebo on April 18, 2021, 09:25:08 PM
Hughson really wanted that to be a goal.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 09:25:15 PM
Hughson wanted that one badly
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:25:17 PM
No that didn't go in Hughson you friging moron.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:25:29 PM
That one's on Matthews.
Why is Rielly out at the point? He's supposed to be at the net.

Yep, you're right.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 09:26:02 PM
No that didn't go in Hughson you friging moron.

 ;D

You tell him!
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:27:29 PM
Maybe Foligno and Nash and Hutton will save us....  :P
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:31:24 PM
That's in....maybe
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: louisstamos on April 18, 2021, 09:32:39 PM
That's in, but I don't think there will be proof.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:32:46 PM
I think that went in but they may not be able to tell.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:33:02 PM
I think that is in but I don’t know that they are going to get a view that proves it was in
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 18, 2021, 09:34:08 PM
Skilliter
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:34:13 PM
It’s almost like maybe you should have goal-line technology to make these plays easy
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:34:49 PM
I think that is in but I don’t know that they are going to get a view that proves it was in
I think the top view showed  it. Whatever. Take the point and try to get the bonus
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:35:04 PM
The Leafs horribly out handed Vancouver but this is just an awful look for a team that thinks they are a Cup contender
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:36:03 PM
It’s almost like maybe you should have goal-line technology to make these plays easy
If a puck crosses a goal line but nobody is there to see it, does it count? Lol so dumb.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 09:36:33 PM
Didn't watch the 3rd but doesn't surprise me it's tied up lol. What a joke. Now we watch M&M and Reilly out for OT and hopefully not lame defensively and cost us. Any word on Hyman?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:36:37 PM
The Leafs horribly out handed Vancouver but this is just an awful look for a team that thinks they are a Cup contender
When the only guy finishing is Matthews you've got a problem.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
It’s almost like maybe you should have goal-line technology to make these plays easy
If a puck crosses a goal line but nobody is there to see it, does it count? Lol so dumb.

Whoa!  That's deep!   :o
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:37:31 PM
The Leafs horribly out handed Vancouver but this is just an awful look for a team that thinks they are a Cup contender

Exactly.  They aren't dominating anybody and haven't for quite a while.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on April 18, 2021, 09:37:35 PM
I haven't heard Hughson say "smeagoled" in a long time.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:39:10 PM
Wow.   Just absolutely wow.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: barney_rebel on April 18, 2021, 09:39:23 PM
We stink dudes
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 09:39:26 PM
Reilly lol let's pass the puck to a guy with a broken stick.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 18, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
Didn't watch the 3rd but doesn't surprise me it's tied up lol. What a joke. Now we watch M&M and Reilly out for OT and hopefully not lame defensively and cost us. Any word on Hyman?

It reminded me when we traded for Gilmour and got his knee torn out on his 2nd shift and never played again.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
This team is laughable.  There is no way a contender loses a game like this.  No way.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bender on April 18, 2021, 09:40:04 PM
Good. Night. Bleh.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 18, 2021, 09:40:29 PM
No urgency but Rielly dumped the puck when Matthews went to the bench to get a new stick when he wasn’t pressured.  He has been awful far too much of the season
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 18, 2021, 09:40:45 PM
Why did the camera think that was Willy's fault
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 09:40:56 PM
This team is laughable.  There is no way a contender loses a game like this.  No way.

Campbell was laughable on that shot.  I think even Freddie makes that save
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 18, 2021, 09:41:02 PM
I'm done with this team. Have a good one guys
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 18, 2021, 09:41:20 PM
This one is on the goalies...Holtby was much better than Campbell. That said...bad loss, should never have been close.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Stronger Than All on April 18, 2021, 09:41:36 PM
Can always count on this team to make me feel worse.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:41:56 PM
This team is laughable.  There is no way a contender loses a game like this.  No way.
Not with goaltending like that. That's 2 on Jack again...sorry he isn't the answer and hasn't been good enough. If he did his job, Leafs win.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on April 18, 2021, 09:42:32 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Gerald The Duck on April 18, 2021, 09:42:36 PM
No urgency but Rielly dumped the puck when Matthews went to the bench to get a new stick when he wasn’t pressured.  He has been awful far too much of the season

He should have played himself off any consideration for Canada's olympic team now. I certainly don't want him on it.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 18, 2021, 09:42:49 PM
Holtby was good and lucky.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 09:43:02 PM
This team is laughable.  There is no way a contender loses a game like this.  No way.

Campbell was laughable on that shot.  I think even Freddie makes that save

Yeah, all the guys who ragged on Andersen and on and on and on are nowhere to be found.  Campbell has returned to earth.

Ooops, sorry, now I see it was all a fluke.  ::)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:43:45 PM
This team is laughable.  There is no way a contender loses a game like this.  No way.

Campbell was laughable on that shot.  I think even Freddie makes that save

Yeah, all the guys who ragged on Andersen and on and on and on are nowhere to be found.  Campbell has returned to earth.
He's gone under ground. Just terrible.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 09:44:55 PM
We stink dudes

This team is laughable.

All you positive guys on here who never have anything bad to say about this team. Let's have it. I'm sure we'll hear it. Leafs had some good chances, we outshot them, deserved better blah blah blah blah. Oh let's not forget but we are in 1st place.  Bottom line is this team needs an overhaul. Get some players on here who actually give a rats ass because every year it's the same thing. Coaching needs to be called out to.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 09:45:16 PM
I'm done with this team. Have a good one guys

Probably not the only one.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 09:47:16 PM
We stink dudes

This team is laughable.

All you positive guys on here who never have anything bad to say about this team. Let's have it. I'm sure we'll hear it. Leafs had some good chances, we outshot them, deserved better blah blah blah blah. Oh let's not forget but we are in 1st place.  Bottom line is this team needs an overhaul. Get some players on here who actually give a rats ass because every year it's the same thing. Coaching needs to be called out to.

I will give you credit where credits due.  You’ve hated this team since day one
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: WAYNEINIONA on April 18, 2021, 09:48:05 PM

 As much as I dislike the Canucks, you can't help but feel bad for them in this situation.

  I take this back.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on April 18, 2021, 09:48:09 PM
Dudes if Fred was in it would have been over long before the overtime. Didn't you see that highlight montage they showed from the last time they played?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:48:32 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Yup. That's the way it goes. That's ok though, fans will overreact as usual
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 09:50:02 PM
Dudes if Fred was in it would have been over long before the overtime. Didn't you see that highlight montage they showed from the last time they played?
You can stop that garbage too because you have no idea what a healthy Freddie would play like. What is evident is that Jack isn't doing the job lately. Rittich will be in the next one for sure.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 18, 2021, 09:52:34 PM
You never know whether you're getting good or bad Freddie. I'd take my chances with him if he's actually healthy, though.

I'd say Rittich should get the next game. Campbell is in a funk.

Leafs really need to come out on a mission Tuesday. They need a statement game. Well, I guess you could consider this to be a (bad) statement game of sorts.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 09:52:43 PM
We stink dudes

This team is laughable.

All you positive guys on here who never have anything bad to say about this team. Let's have it. I'm sure we'll hear it. Leafs had some good chances, we outshot them, deserved better blah blah blah blah. Oh let's not forget but we are in 1st place.  Bottom line is this team needs an overhaul. Get some players on here who actually give a rats ass because every year it's the same thing. Coaching needs to be called out to.

I will give you credit where credits due.  You’ve hated this team since day one

Really. Been a diehard since the early 70's late 60's. You don't know me buddy it's just the facts. All some do on here is look at stats and think everything is rosy. Little do you guys know. Some should apply for a position with Leafs organization because you'd fit right in. Team has some flaws that seem to get neglected and until then is going nowhere. There's talent which you need, character and grit. I'll give them the first that's it.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on April 18, 2021, 09:55:04 PM
In all seriousness, yeah. With a little "puck luck" tonight it could have easily been more like 5-2 for the Leafs.

Hughson also likes to say "button hook" a lot
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 09:56:16 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Yup. That's the way it goes. That's ok though, fans will overreact as usual

I can see why people are losing their minds though, this loss did drop us all the way down to 1st place in the North division.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 18, 2021, 09:57:36 PM
I think all you need to do is look at Zee’s chunk thread .

 This team plays great for a good span, looks like crap for an equally long span , back and forth ...rinse and repeat . It’s really the playoffs that will prove what this team is.... a great team that sits atop the division or the horrible team we’ve seen over the last 4 games .

EDIT: to me it’s the effort or lack of effort that we’re seeing from this team ...when they decide to take a break it shows on the ice
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on April 18, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Yup. That's the way it goes. That's ok though, fans will overreact as usual

I can see why people are losing their minds though, this loss did drop us all the way down to 1st place in the North division.

You had to know the Nucks would get up for that OT. At least we got a point out of it. Did I hear that Foligno and Hutton would be eligible for next game?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 10:00:06 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Yup. That's the way it goes. That's ok though, fans will overreact as usual

I can see why people are losing their minds though, this loss did drop us all the way down to 1st place in the North division.

Wow
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: BrownRolo on April 18, 2021, 10:00:12 PM
I blame Andersen for Campbell's bad play. After he got the 11 wins Andersen sent him a congratulatory post on Twitter or Instagram or something. Freddie cursed him since then. Andersen is the worst.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 10:00:52 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Yup. That's the way it goes. That's ok though, fans will overreact as usual

I can see why people are losing their minds though, this loss did drop us all the way down to 1st place in the North division.
No kidding. I'm glad the players don't react the way fans do..funny there were a lot of people who thought this would be a cake walk..I figured it would be tough because of Holtby and it was. We lost one point and gained one more on the Jets  Oh well go get them Tuesday.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: dekedastardly on April 18, 2021, 10:02:41 PM
I blame Andersen for Campbell's bad play. After he got the 11 wins Andersen sent him a congratulatory post on Twitter or Instagram or something. Freddie cursed him since then. Andersen is the worst.

Pretty much. He's locker room cancer even when he's watching from home
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 18, 2021, 10:04:39 PM
I think it was a flukey win. I mean, how many crossbars, posts, bad bounces did the Leafs have? Credit Holtby for keeping them in it.
Yup. That's the way it goes. That's ok though, fans will overreact as usual

I can see why people are losing their minds though, this loss did drop us all the way down to 1st place in the North division.

Wow

I know right.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: wnc096 on April 18, 2021, 10:19:04 PM


Really. Been a diehard since the early 70's late 60's. You don't know me buddy it's just the facts. All some do on here is look at stats and think everything is rosy. Little do you guys know. Some should apply for a position with Leafs organization because you'd fit right in. Team has some flaws that seem to get neglected and until then is going nowhere. There's talent which you need, character and grit. I'll give them the first that's it.

Yeah but when they lose you jump all over them...and when they win you’re it’s always “Yeah sure they won BUT....(laundry list of things you didn’t like)”

I get it though...I guess if you been a fan for that long you have the right to be jaded. 

Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 10:23:31 PM
I think all you need to do is look at Zee’s chunk thread .

 This team plays great for a good span, looks like crap for an equally long span , back and forth ...rinse and repeat . It’s really the playoffs that will prove what this team is.... a great team that sits atop the division or the horrible team we’ve seen over the last 4 games .

EDIT: to me it’s the effort or lack of effort that we’re seeing from this team ...when they decide to take a break it shows on the ice

So why is that allowed to happen? Game here game there sure they are after all human. But when they seem to lack putting in an effort which I'm not going to say was the cause tonight but when they do or certain individuals do why isn't anyone punished for that. Not this team. Regardless of how you're playing, how the PP is doing etc etc it's always status quo. Keefe needs to be called out on this. I don't care if you're making 10 million a year if you're sucking balls then maybe you need a night off. PP isn't clicking maybe throw out others. Sure the end result is you want to win and the best players need to play but if you're not cutting it sorry.

You want my take on this team. Some aren't going to agree and I've said it before. Nylander holding out was the start got paid even after holding out and the the big 2 signed for what I said was going to hurt this team from filling out the roster properly. Not saying that model hasn't worked a la Blackhawks and Penguins teams but my opinion not the best way to go. I haven't commented on Thornton, Simmonds etc but I will now. What did you all think these guys were going to bring other than leadership and maybe a little grit from Wayne. The 2 are at the end of their careers and for the most part are done. Now a lot are complaining about them. Is what it is Dubas handcuffed himself and had to fill in the holes with castoffs from other clubs or signings from overseas. Matthews is the leader on this team. Both him and Marner in my opinion are overpaid not in the sense that they aren't great players but this early in their career I thought they were slightly overpaid. You can't argue with their numbers so it is what it is but I seriously thought maybe 8.5 and 9.5 was suffice. With that they could have used those savings to maybe help land a top 4 defensemen. Reilly is not your guy and the team is in trouble if he is your #1. That has not been addressed. I loved the Tavares signing as other than money didn't cost us anything but I think that money would have been better spent or held on to try and obtain a D man that can play 25 minutes a night and can play both ends of the ice and quarterback your PP.

Sure we can wait and see what happens in the playoffs. What is it going to take to please most on here getting by the first round? Winning 2 rounds? Talent wise this team is better than the rest in the division but I don't think they are head and shoulders above everyone else as it seems like other years something is lacking. If we don't do well in the playoffs Dubas, Shanny need to go bring someone else in and change the character of this team.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 10:25:58 PM
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on April 18, 2021, 10:27:38 PM
I think something that's really unfortunate is that because some posters criticisms are so misguided and repetitive and quite frankly wrongheaded a lot of the post-game discussion now just revolves around that as opposed to more substantive discussions.

Contrary to some things that have been said I have lots of concerns with the Leafs. I don't think they match up well with the Washingtons, Tampas or Floridas. But it has nothing to do with rehashed yammering about grit or toughness that would have embarrassed Don Cherry as being simple minded but rather that I think the Leafs are fairly deficient in some key areas and it will render their chances in the playoffs a crapshoot.

I mean, to start with, I don't have faith in their goaltending. I enjoyed Campbell's run as much as anyone but we can already see him coming down to Earth and behind him is, well, other issues. Goaltending is a big deal. It's also way more volatile than it was back in my early days as a hockey fan where certain guys would just have great seasons year after year. So outside of a few lucky clubs with elite goaltenders all teams are in more or less the same situation there.

What that means is that the goaltending issue is a complex one. There is no easy fix. It can't be solved by trading one of the more offensively gifted players on the team for someone who looks like they're trying harder. Accordingly, that makes it out of the reach for some of the team's more vocal critics.

I suspect my view of the team is pretty common so it's a little frustrating to see people try to paint this as people who are positive about the team vs. those who are negative about it. None of us, I'm fairly certain, think the team is a Tampa-like juggernaut with no real weaknesses, the issue is what those issues are, how they can be realistically addressed and whether or not the discussion here should be dominated by the same old rote, useless complaints made loudly and obnoxiously game after game after game.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 10:28:52 PM


Really. Been a diehard since the early 70's late 60's. You don't know me buddy it's just the facts. All some do on here is look at stats and think everything is rosy. Little do you guys know. Some should apply for a position with Leafs organization because you'd fit right in. Team has some flaws that seem to get neglected and until then is going nowhere. There's talent which you need, character and grit. I'll give them the first that's it.

Yeah but when they lose you jump all over them...and when they win you’re it’s always “Yeah sure they won BUT....(laundry list of things you didn’t like)”

I get it though...I guess if you been a fan for that long you have the right to be jaded.

I call it like it is. Like I mentioned the other day. I don't just look at wins I look at how you're playing and if it's deserving. No different in Freddies earlier years when we were getting outshot and facing 40 shots a night but still winning. To me that's not a sign of a great team. Leafs are better now and I praise them when they do play well. Maybe I'm just too hard on them and expect it every night.

Whats frustrating with this team and I'll say it it's not a lot is the same stuff we see happening that's costing us games and Im not going to go into detail and that's on the coaches to. Something aint working change it and hopefully the results are better. Babcock used to irritate me with his favouritism and dumb decisions. Keefe is starting to do the same.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on April 18, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
You want my take on this team.

No.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 10:30:49 PM
You want my take on this team.

No.

Have a good night Nik missed you.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on April 18, 2021, 10:41:28 PM
I think something that's really unfortunate is that because some posters criticisms are so misguided and repetitive and quite frankly wrongheaded a lot of the post-game discussion now just revolves around that as opposed to more substantive discussions.

Contrary to some things that have been said I have lots of concerns with the Leafs. I don't think they match up well with the Washingtons, Tampas or Floridas. But it has nothing to do with rehashed yammering about grit or toughness that would have embarrassed Don Cherry as being simple minded but rather that I think the Leafs are fairly deficient in some key areas and it will render their chances in the playoffs a crapshoot.

I mean, to start with, I don't have faith in their goaltending. I enjoyed Campbell's run as much as anyone but we can already see him coming down to Earth and behind him is, well, other issues. Goaltending is a big deal. It's also way more volatile than it was back in my early days as a hockey fan where certain guys would just have great seasons year after year. So outside of a few lucky clubs with elite goaltenders all teams are in more or less the same situation there.

What that means is that the goaltending issue is a complex one. There is no easy fix. It can't be solved by trading one of the more offensively gifted players on the team for someone who looks like they're trying harder. Accordingly, that makes it out of the reach for some of the team's more vocal critics.

I suspect my view of the team is pretty common so it's a little frustrating to see people try to paint this as people who are positive about the team vs. those who are negative about it. None of us, I'm fairly certain, think the team is a Tampa-like juggernaut with no real weaknesses, the issue is what those issues are, how they can be realistically addressed and whether or not the discussion here should be dominated by the same old rote, useless complaints made loudly and obnoxiously game after game after game.

Ya the goaltending has me worried. The only new takeaway I have from this game is another worry: Hyman.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on April 18, 2021, 10:52:15 PM
I call it like it is. Like I mentioned the other day. I don't just look at wins I look at how you're playing and if it's deserving. No different in Freddies earlier years when we were getting outshot and facing 40 shots a night but still winning. To me that's not a sign of a great team. Leafs are better now and I praise them when they do play well. Maybe I'm just too hard on them and expect it every night.
...

No. You call as you see it. And how you see it is out-dated.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 18, 2021, 10:55:21 PM
Rittich may turn out to be Dubas' best move at the deadline.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 18, 2021, 11:32:11 PM
I call it like it is. Like I mentioned the other day. I don't just look at wins I look at how you're playing and if it's deserving. No different in Freddies earlier years when we were getting outshot and facing 40 shots a night but still winning. To me that's not a sign of a great team. Leafs are better now and I praise them when they do play well. Maybe I'm just too hard on them and expect it every night.
...

No. You call as you see it. And how you see it is out-dated.

Outdated ok my friend. Why because I’d like a balanced team one that in the end come playoff time is what you need. If you think talent and talent alone wins you a cup good luck with that.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate on April 18, 2021, 11:36:50 PM

I mean, to start with, I don't have faith in their goaltending. I enjoyed Campbell's run as much as anyone but we can already see him coming down to Earth and behind him is, well, other issues. Goaltending is a big deal. It's also way more volatile than it was back in my early days as a hockey fan where certain guys would just have great seasons year after year. So outside of a few lucky clubs with elite goaltenders all teams are in more or less the same situation there.

What that means is that the goaltending issue is a complex one. There is no easy fix. It can't be solved by trading one of the more offensively gifted players on the team for someone who looks like they're trying harder. Accordingly, that makes it out of the reach for some of the team's more vocal critics.


I came back in to post something very like this but Nik you've said it perfectly.  The goaltending is suspect, no matter whether it's 31 or 36 (and probably 33).  I feel that Andersen's experience as a starter probably gives the team the best shot but he hasn't gotten it done in the playoffs and I can see them getting bounced again in R1 if he (or Campbell, or Rittich) has a leaky series.

The other concern I have is their ability to take over games and simply not let the opponents in it.  I do think that an indicator of playoff success is not just how many wins you have, but how many times you dominate other teams.  I suppose somebody has run the stats on whether playoff success is correlated with how many times a team wins by, say, 3 or more goals during the regular season, or how many times they win by 2 or more and hold the opponent to only X SOG or high-danger chances or what have you.  Maybe I'm totally wrong here, but my intuition is that there is a correlation.

In any case a recurring MO with the Leafs is not winning games they are "supposed" to win.  They don't seem to have what it takes to take a weakened or lesser opponent and just put them out of the game early.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on April 18, 2021, 11:46:49 PM
I call it like it is. Like I mentioned the other day. I don't just look at wins I look at how you're playing and if it's deserving. No different in Freddies earlier years when we were getting outshot and facing 40 shots a night but still winning. To me that's not a sign of a great team. Leafs are better now and I praise them when they do play well. Maybe I'm just too hard on them and expect it every night.
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No. You call as you see it. And how you see it is out-dated.

Outdated ok my friend. Why because I’d like a balanced team one that in the end come playoff time is what you need. If you think talent and talent alone wins you a cup good luck with that.

Where did I say that talent alone wins a cup?

Your views on the role of hitting and fighting and retribution are outdated. This isn't my view because of some notion that I don't like physical play, it's because the speed of the game and overall skill has increased significantly.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Deebo on April 19, 2021, 12:37:37 AM
We stink dudes

This team is laughable.

All you positive guys on here who never have anything bad to say about this team. Let's have it. I'm sure we'll hear it. Leafs had some good chances, we outshot them, deserved better blah blah blah blah. Oh let's not forget but we are in 1st place.  Bottom line is this team needs an overhaul. Get some players on here who actually give a rats ass because every year it's the same thing. Coaching needs to be called out to.

Maybe if you actually read what people have to say, you would see that there is plenty of cristicism of the team. Just because people don't angrily repeat themselves after every game win or lose, doesn't meant there isn't criticism and just because people don't think the answer to everything just hitting someone or trying harder, doesn't mean they think everything is great.

There is something inbetween the suckiest sucks that every sucked and everything is great. That's where most of us are.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 19, 2021, 01:33:10 AM
I call it like it is. Like I mentioned the other day. I don't just look at wins I look at how you're playing and if it's deserving. No different in Freddies earlier years when we were getting outshot and facing 40 shots a night but still winning. To me that's not a sign of a great team. Leafs are better now and I praise them when they do play well. Maybe I'm just too hard on them and expect it every night.
...

No. You call as you see it. And how you see it is out-dated.

Outdated ok my friend. Why because I’d like a balanced team one that in the end come playoff time is what you need. If you think talent and talent alone wins you a cup good luck with that.

Where did I say that talent alone wins a cup?

Your views on the role of hitting and fighting and retribution are outdated. This isn't my view because of some notion that I don't like physical play, it's because the speed of the game and overall skill has increased significantly.

I think some of you misinterpret my views of the above. I understand the game has changed I’m fine with that. My point is that it’s still part of the game it hasn’t gone away completely. Do I say we need a Colton Orr on the ice every 4 th shift smashing someone’s face. No. Hitting last I looked hasn’t been taken away either. The team is soft no doubt about it. I’ve said it numerous times there are times we can take the body and when I say that I don’t mean putting someone through the boards. It’s taking the body to stop an opponent, end the play, to cause losing puck possession etc. A lot of this team don’t do that and what it leads to is extended plays and at times goals in our net. The game has gotten faster for sure but the elements of the games you mentioned have not been totally eliminated.

We have a lot of skill on this team and I’m happy for it. Skill alone does not win cups. You need that balance and that’s all I’m saying.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on April 19, 2021, 02:08:53 AM
We have a lot of skill on this team and I’m happy for it. Skill alone does not win cups. You need that balance and that’s all I’m saying.

So the team added Bogosian and Brodie and Simmonds and now Hutton and Foligno and they already had Hyman and Muzzin and on and on. The team is and always has been more than just their scorers. Your criticisms of the team has never actually reflected the people they put on the ice and you just whine endlessly about the fact that some of the skilled players on the team aren't as tough as you'd like them to be. It's boring and repetitive on top of not being even vaguely insightful or meaningful analysis. You just vomit out the same word garbage regardless of the situation.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 19, 2021, 07:43:21 AM
Toronto deserved a better fate last night. I wouldn't call it their best effort of the season, but it also wasn't horrible.

I found them a little too pretty in the first period. I do believe they bought into the notion that they were going to walk all over Vancouver because of Covid. The last thing you want is to take the night off against a team that has something to play for. That being said, I don't think the Leafs necessarily did. They outshot Vancouver by quite a large margin. Holtby was fantastic and his posts and cross bars were even better. Also, there's no way in he!! that the puck was not in the net with 19 seconds left. I get why they didn't overturn the call on the ice, but the ref made no effort to get in where Marner was clearly pointing at the puck.

On the Campbell front, he certainly is returning to his actual level of play, though I don't think he was playing lights out when he was winning everything. The goal in OT cannot go in. I apologize, but if Andersen is healthy, Andersen goes in. He is the better goalie.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 08:19:17 AM
Toronto deserved a better fate last night. I wouldn't call it their best effort of the season, but it also wasn't horrible.

I found them a little too pretty in the first period. I do believe they bought into the notion that they were going to walk all over Vancouver because of Covid. The last thing you want is to take the night off against a team that has something to play for. That being said, I don't think the Leafs necessarily did. They outshot Vancouver by quite a large margin. Holtby was fantastic and his posts and cross bars were even better. Also, there's no way in he!! that the puck was not in the net with 19 seconds left. I get why they didn't overturn the call on the ice, but the ref made no effort to get in where Marner was clearly pointing at the puck.

On the Campbell front, he certainly is returning to his actual level of play, though I don't think he was playing lights out when he was winning everything. The goal in OT cannot go in. I apologize, but if Andersen is healthy, Andersen goes in. He is the better goalie.
Agree on all points. No reason to apologize.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 19, 2021, 09:26:45 AM
Toronto deserved a better fate last night. I wouldn't call it their best effort of the season, but it also wasn't horrible.

I found them a little too pretty in the first period. I do believe they bought into the notion that they were going to walk all over Vancouver because of Covid. The last thing you want is to take the night off against a team that has something to play for. That being said, I don't think the Leafs necessarily did. They outshot Vancouver by quite a large margin. Holtby was fantastic and his posts and cross bars were even better. Also, there's no way in he!! that the puck was not in the net with 19 seconds left. I get why they didn't overturn the call on the ice, but the ref made no effort to get in where Marner was clearly pointing at the puck.

On the Campbell front, he certainly is returning to his actual level of play, though I don't think he was playing lights out when he was winning everything. The goal in OT cannot go in. I apologize, but if Andersen is healthy, Andersen goes in. He is the better goalie.

Graham Skilliter, ladies and gentlemen
(https://i.imgur.com/IJR8fZO.png)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2021, 09:49:00 AM

Really hope the league takes into consideration that Edler was tired at the end of that shift and goes easy on him.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Bullfrog on April 19, 2021, 09:52:09 AM
Toronto deserved a better fate last night. I wouldn't call it their best effort of the season, but it also wasn't horrible.

I found them a little too pretty in the first period. I do believe they bought into the notion that they were going to walk all over Vancouver because of Covid. The last thing you want is to take the night off against a team that has something to play for. That being said, I don't think the Leafs necessarily did. They outshot Vancouver by quite a large margin. Holtby was fantastic and his posts and cross bars were even better. Also, there's no way in he!! that the puck was not in the net with 19 seconds left. I get why they didn't overturn the call on the ice, but the ref made no effort to get in where Marner was clearly pointing at the puck.

On the Campbell front, he certainly is returning to his actual level of play, though I don't think he was playing lights out when he was winning everything. The goal in OT cannot go in. I apologize, but if Andersen is healthy, Andersen goes in. He is the better goalie.

Graham Skilliter, ladies and gentlemen
(https://i.imgur.com/IJR8fZO.png)

Looks like it's touching the goal line, no?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2021, 09:58:45 AM
Looks like it's touching the goal line, no?

That frame also would have been after Holtby did everything he could to move it up as he got out of the net though.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Frank E on April 19, 2021, 10:06:11 AM
I think they just got unlucky last night.  Holtby got real lucky on a bunch.

I went to bed after the second though.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: L K on April 19, 2021, 10:16:52 AM
Trust the process and everything but too many games where the Leafs "should" win but don't.    At the end of the day moral victories don't get you to the Cup finals.  It's certainly better to be the better team on the ice than the one that isn't but we can't keep blaming "the other goal stood on their head", or "if only the refs called penalties fairly" if the end result is losses and elimination. 

Holbty kept his team in that game.  Campbell wasn't necessarily bad but is letting in softer goals.  We are back to every mistake ending up in the back of the net territory.

Hopefully Hyman isn’t done for the season. 
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 19, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
One positive, maybe, is that the Leafs are getting a lot of experience playing close games, which might help in the playoffs where those kinds of close/tight games are common. Of course, if we're always playing with the lesser goalie that will be a problem. A functioning PP would be a big help even though PP opportunities are less frequent in the playoffs.

Losing Hyman would be a big deal, though Foligno should help offset that loss. I would give Robertson more games in the top 6 to see if he can calm down a bit and stop rushing his shot. Think he is close to being a worthwhile contributor. He will have to be very careful around the boards as he tends to put himself in vulnerable positions. Almost got killed a couple of times last night.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
   Campbell wasn't necessarily bad but is letting in softer goals.  We are back to every mistake ending up in the back of the net territory.

Hopefully Hyman isn’t done for the season. 
Letting in 2 soft goals is bad, there's no way around it. If he just stops the ones he should, the Leafs win and probably easily. He has to be better.
Hopefully Hyman isn't done but that didn't look good.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: azzurri63 on April 19, 2021, 11:52:12 AM
Well another beautiful morning out here in BC. Shout out to all on here who support the blue and white. I know I have my differences with some on here but in the end we all have one thing in common. That's maybe maybe seeing our team hoist Lord Stanley once again after 50+ years. Been through a lot watching the team over the years I must say more lows than highs but can only pray the drought ends soon. Having said that I want to say Ciao to all of you. Decided to stop posting and end my tenure on the site. I may periodically check in to say hello. Stay safe everyone and healthy and hopefully this summer we will be back to some sort of normalcy. Take care and GLG.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Zee on April 19, 2021, 12:25:24 PM
Well another beautiful morning out here in BC. Shout out to all on here who support the blue and white. I know I have my differences with some on here but in the end we all have one thing in common. That's maybe maybe seeing our team hoist Lord Stanley once again after 50+ years. Been through a lot watching the team over the years I must say more lows than highs but can only pray the drought ends soon. Having said that I want to say Ciao to all of you. Decided to stop posting and end my tenure on the site. I may periodically check in to say hello. Stay safe everyone and healthy and hopefully this summer we will be back to some sort of normalcy. Take care and GLG.

All the best.  I'm in a similar boat as you, just fed up after years and years of failure.   I hope for a Cup but expect none because every year it's always something that seems to sink this team.  Anyway I'm done talking too, I'll fulfill my chunk thread obligation this year and I won't be posting much anymore in the future, it's a waste of time.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Dappleganger on April 19, 2021, 12:29:57 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.

Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 12:54:02 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 19, 2021, 12:56:21 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Particularly if Hymans hurt. LOL
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2021, 12:59:12 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Could be interesting to see if that trio could outwork a loaded up McDavid/Draisaitl line in a playoff series. But yeah more generally speaking it's better to split some of that up.

God I hope Hyman is at least good for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Frank E on April 19, 2021, 01:06:14 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Could be interesting to see if that trio could outwork a loaded up McDavid/Draisaitl line in a playoff series. But yeah more generally speaking it's better to split some of that up.

God I hope Hyman is at least good for the playoffs.

I feel like it's not good that we haven't heard about Hyman by now...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Deebo on April 19, 2021, 01:07:50 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Could be interesting to see if that trio could outwork a loaded up McDavid/Draisaitl line in a playoff series. But yeah more generally speaking it's better to split some of that up.

God I hope Hyman is at least good for the playoffs.

I feel like it's not good that we haven't heard about Hyman by now...

They are on the west coast so it's only 10am there.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 01:09:51 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Could be interesting to see if that trio could outwork a loaded up McDavid/Draisaitl line in a playoff series. But yeah more generally speaking it's better to split some of that up.

God I hope Hyman is at least good for the playoffs.

I feel like it's not good that we haven't heard about Hyman by now...
They're on the west coast so it could be at least another hour.
Oh and a big minus last night...changing the D partners. It wasn't good.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2021, 01:10:26 PM
I feel like it's not good that we haven't heard about Hyman by now...

That might be reading a little too much into it. You could also say if it was something super serious and he was out long-term it'd be a pretty quick diagnosis. I guess the good news is he was apparently in good spirits after the game last night.

I'm fully expecting him to miss some time, but there's 4 weeks until playoffs still so hopefully it's not much longer than that.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on April 19, 2021, 01:17:48 PM
That might be reading a little too much into it. You could also say if it was something super serious and he was out long-term it'd be a pretty quick diagnosis. I guess the good news is he was apparently in good spirits after the game last night.

I'm fully expecting him to miss some time, but there's 4 weeks until playoffs still so hopefully it's not much longer than that.

Also, the fact that he was around the team and not going for further medical evaluation also feels like a good sign. If they felt it was more serious, I have to imagine they would have needed to send him to a hospital to get the right tests completed, etc.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 19, 2021, 01:20:41 PM
Kind of looked like he got hit above the knee (I'm just going from memory, haven't looked at the video recently). So it might just be a deep bruise, though of course even those can be serious injuries.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 19, 2021, 01:20:45 PM
I feel like it's not good that we haven't heard about Hyman by now...

That might be reading a little too much into it. You could also say if it was something super serious and he was out long-term it'd be a pretty quick diagnosis. I guess the good news is he was apparently in good spirits after the game last night.

I'm fully expecting him to miss some time, but there's 4 weeks until playoffs still so hopefully it's not much longer than that.

Yeah. Good spirits, and more importantly optimistic after the last nights game...

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/hyman-was-very-optimistic-in-leafs-room-after-scary-knee-on-knee-hit-tavares-says%7E2183672
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 19, 2021, 01:21:53 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Foligno-Tavares-Robertson, that's what I'd experiment with if Hyman is going to miss games.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
That might be reading a little too much into it. You could also say if it was something super serious and he was out long-term it'd be a pretty quick diagnosis. I guess the good news is he was apparently in good spirits after the game last night.

I'm fully expecting him to miss some time, but there's 4 weeks until playoffs still so hopefully it's not much longer than that.

Also, the fact that he was around the team and not going for further medical evaluation also feels like a good sign. If they felt it was more serious, I have to imagine they would have needed to send him to a hospital to get the right tests completed, etc.
They may have done that already.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on April 19, 2021, 01:24:50 PM

Either way, like I said regarding Matthews the other day, I'm ok with them being cautious here. Give him a few days.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 19, 2021, 01:37:35 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Could be interesting to see if that trio could outwork a loaded up McDavid/Draisaitl line in a playoff series. But yeah more generally speaking it's better to split some of that up.

I think that'd be fun, but the issue of 71-91-11 is less a lack of finish and more a lack of transition play: Hyman would be the best carrier, Tavares likes to skate into the densest congregation of players on the ice. There is otherwise a significant positive alignment in their preference and capabilities in small-ice play. Once the puck gets into the zone and down low, it might just stay there until it's in the net. Getting it there will be the trick (dump and chase).
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2021, 01:42:33 PM
I think that'd be fun, but the issue of 71-91-11 is less a lack of finish and more a lack of transition play: Hyman would be the best carrier, Tavares likes to skate into the densest congregation of players on the ice. There is otherwise a significant positive alignment in their preference and capabilities in small-ice play. Once the puck gets into the zone and down low, it might just stay there until it's in the net. Getting it there will be the trick (dump and chase).

It would absolutely be a dump and chase line, and while that might not be the most optimal zone entry for most lines when you have the teams top two forecheckers (maybe two of the leagues best overall) a lot of pucks would get retrieved.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 19, 2021, 01:46:34 PM
I think that'd be fun, but the issue of 71-91-11 is less a lack of finish and more a lack of transition play: Hyman would be the best carrier, Tavares likes to skate into the densest congregation of players on the ice. There is otherwise a significant positive alignment in their preference and capabilities in small-ice play. Once the puck gets into the zone and down low, it might just stay there until it's in the net. Getting it there will be the trick (dump and chase).

It would absolutely be a dump and chase line, and while that might not be the most optimal zone entry for most lines when you have the teams top two forecheckers (maybe two of the leagues best overall) a lot of pucks would get retrieved.

Nothing wrong with have attacking lines with completely different styles (same thing with PP). Play predictably to execute better for your teammates, but set it up in a way that makes it harder for the defense to figure you out.

I kind of want a stretch pass line (15) and a dump line (91) and a hold it for openings line (34).
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Frank E on April 19, 2021, 01:50:05 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Foligno-Tavares-Robertson, that's what I'd experiment with if Hyman is going to miss games.

I'm hopeful on Robertson for the future, but I don't think he's nearly effective enough to be given those minutes right now.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 19, 2021, 02:02:11 PM
I was hoping for these lines to start the playoffs:

Nylander - Matthews - Marner
Foligno - Tavares - Hyman

I hope Hyman is ok.


I don't think there's enough finish on the Tavares line.

Foligno-Tavares-Robertson, that's what I'd experiment with if Hyman is going to miss games.

I'm hopeful on Robertson for the future, but I don't think he's nearly effective enough to be given those minutes right now.

Maybe not, but that's why I propose trying it now to see if it might work. If he's on a line with two grinder types (Tavares and Foligno) it might open up room for him to make good use of his skillset.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 19, 2021, 02:59:42 PM

Maybe not, but that's why I propose trying it now to see if it might work. If he's on a line with two grinder types (Tavares and Foligno) it might open up room for him to make good use of his skillset.

When does/did Robertson burn the slide year off his contract?  10 games this year?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 19, 2021, 03:02:31 PM

Maybe not, but that's why I propose trying it now to see if it might work. If he's on a line with two grinder types (Tavares and Foligno) it might open up room for him to make good use of his skillset.

When does/did Robertson burn the slide year off his contract?  10 games this year?

NVM, I just found that it has been pro-rated this year to 7 games and Robertson has played in 5 already meaning he has 2 left
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on April 19, 2021, 03:27:15 PM
That might be reading a little too much into it. You could also say if it was something super serious and he was out long-term it'd be a pretty quick diagnosis. I guess the good news is he was apparently in good spirits after the game last night.

I'm fully expecting him to miss some time, but there's 4 weeks until playoffs still so hopefully it's not much longer than that.

Also, the fact that he was around the team and not going for further medical evaluation also feels like a good sign. If they felt it was more serious, I have to imagine they would have needed to send him to a hospital to get the right tests completed, etc.
They may have done that already.

I doubt they would have had time to get him to the hospital, run all the tests they needed to, and get him back to the team soon enough for them to be able to relay those sentiments to media virtually immediately after the game ended - if they even would have sent him back to the arena. It's more likely that he would have been sent straight back to the hotel afterwards.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: herman on April 19, 2021, 03:35:58 PM
I think that'd be fun, but the issue of 71-91-11 is less a lack of finish and more a lack of transition play: Hyman would be the best carrier, Tavares likes to skate into the densest congregation of players on the ice. There is otherwise a significant positive alignment in their preference and capabilities in small-ice play. Once the puck gets into the zone and down low, it might just stay there until it's in the net. Getting it there will be the trick (dump and chase).

It would absolutely be a dump and chase line, and while that might not be the most optimal zone entry for most lines when you have the teams top two forecheckers (maybe two of the leagues best overall) a lot of pucks would get retrieved.

Nothing wrong with have attacking lines with completely different styles (same thing with PP). Play predictably to execute better for your teammates, but set it up in a way that makes it harder for the defense to figure you out.

I kind of want a stretch pass line (15) and a dump line (91) and a hold it for openings line (34).

well well well
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Chris on April 19, 2021, 04:01:58 PM

Maybe not, but that's why I propose trying it now to see if it might work. If he's on a line with two grinder types (Tavares and Foligno) it might open up room for him to make good use of his skillset.

When does/did Robertson burn the slide year off his contract?  10 games this year?

NVM, I just found that it has been pro-rated this year to 7 games and Robertson has played in 5 already meaning he has 2 left

Does that mean he is allowed to play 7 and when he plays in that 8th game, he burns the year?

I  know all this stuff matters to some degree, but if the Leafs consider this a "go for it" year, I don't think they can worry too much about that. If Robertson makes the team better (which I think is yet to be determined), they should just play him in a meaningful role. Not 5 minutes a night on the 4th line.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Nik on April 19, 2021, 04:10:16 PM

I think the Marner/Matthews/Nylander extensions probably taught us that caring about burning a year off of an ELC is probably secondary to just doing what's right for the team and player.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 19, 2021, 04:11:45 PM
Really hope the league takes into consideration that Edler was tired at the end of that shift and goes easy on him.

This was mostly a joke... but they literally did... "instead fatigued after a long shift Edler only adjusts his right leg..."

Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Dappleganger on April 19, 2021, 04:14:17 PM
Really hope the league takes into consideration that Edler was tired at the end of that shift and goes easy on him.

This was mostly a joke... but they literally did... "instead fatigued after a long shift Edler only adjusts his right leg..."


I was once acquitted of murder because I only got 4 hours of sleep the night before.

These things matter.

Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 19, 2021, 04:14:49 PM
Ok. Now the suspension was announced can we get to the injury update already?
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: bustaheims on April 19, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
This was mostly a joke... but they literally did... "instead fatigued after a long shift Edler only adjusts his right leg..."

He's also not technically a repeat offender by the NHL's definition, despite 2 previous NHL suspensions (both in 2013, both for bad hits but not knee-on-knee) and a suspension at the 2014 Olympics (this time, for a knee-on-knee hit).
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Guilt Trip on April 19, 2021, 04:26:18 PM
Ok. Now the suspension was announced can we get to the injury update already?
Probably tomorrow according to Keefe.
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: RedLeaf on April 19, 2021, 05:00:17 PM
Ok. Now the suspension was announced can we get to the injury update already?
Probably tomorrow according to Keefe.

I can’t help think that the injury update is somehow related to the suspension . Like wait until he’s suspended before we announce Hyman is ok. I hope I’m right about that anyways :)
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 20, 2021, 10:54:56 AM
Ok. Now the suspension was announced can we get to the injury update already?
Probably tomorrow according to Keefe.

I can’t help think that the injury update is somehow related to the suspension . Like wait until he’s suspended before we announce Hyman is ok. I hope I’m right about that anyways :)

That's exactly why I was thinking the injury announcement was delayed...
Title: Re: Leafs @ Canucks - Apr. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
Post by: Britishbulldog on April 20, 2021, 11:04:30 AM

Maybe not, but that's why I propose trying it now to see if it might work. If he's on a line with two grinder types (Tavares and Foligno) it might open up room for him to make good use of his skillset.

When does/did Robertson burn the slide year off his contract?  10 games this year?

NVM, I just found that it has been pro-rated this year to 7 games and Robertson has played in 5 already meaning he has 2 left

Does that mean he is allowed to play 7 and when he plays in that 8th game, he burns the year?

I  know all this stuff matters to some degree, but if the Leafs consider this a "go for it" year, I don't think they can worry too much about that. If Robertson makes the team better (which I think is yet to be determined), they should just play him in a meaningful role. Not 5 minutes a night on the 4th line.

Previously it would mean that once he hit's his 7th game he burns a year hence in a typical season the media makes a big deal about a rookie playing his 10th game but I honestly don't know.

I agree with you though that if he is needed as a difference maker than play him.  If he is trying to acclimate to playing with men instead of teenagers then I would send him down to the AHL and let Engvall play instead.

If he doesn't burn a full season then his ELC ending would coincide with contracts ending for Matthews, Nylander, Muzzin and Brodie.  That's why I would prefer to send Robertson down and play Engvall, Petan, Agostino, etc instead.  Next season he could be put in and out of the lineup ad nauseum and it would affect anything team-wise with the salaries or contracts.