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Re: Leafs trade Kadri+ to Colorado for Barrie+
« Reply #225 on: July 10, 2019, 10:53:05 AM »
Reading some opinions from Avs fans, and an article about him in the Athletic today, it doesn't seem like Kerfoot actually played all that much centre with Colorado. Just took a lot of face-offs but actually played the wing. I think it's safe to assume that he'll still start at 3C but it might not be a guaranteed success. We'll see.

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« Reply #226 on: July 10, 2019, 02:28:28 PM »
Reading some opinions from Avs fans, and an article about him in the Athletic today, it doesn't seem like Kerfoot actually played all that much centre with Colorado. Just took a lot of face-offs but actually played the wing. I think it's safe to assume that he'll still start at 3C but it might not be a guaranteed success. We'll see.

In today's game, I would argue that once the face off is taken, who's centre or wing isn't really relevant. Especially in the offensive zone where teams run a F1, F2, F3 system.

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« Reply #227 on: July 10, 2019, 02:38:19 PM »
Reading some opinions from Avs fans, and an article about him in the Athletic today, it doesn't seem like Kerfoot actually played all that much centre with Colorado. Just took a lot of face-offs but actually played the wing. I think it's safe to assume that he'll still start at 3C but it might not be a guaranteed success. We'll see.

In today's game, I would argue that once the face off is taken, who's centre or wing isn't really relevant. Especially in the offensive zone where teams run a F1, F2, F3 system.
It's def relevant in the defensive zone.

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« Reply #228 on: July 10, 2019, 03:22:43 PM »
The game is pretty fluid, but generally the first forward back is going to be taking the centre defensive responsibility until a switch can be made. The player earmarked as centre should be the most likely first forward back because he should be hovering high in the OZ to cover exits. Each line makeup might result in a different pattern of play.
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« Reply #229 on: July 10, 2019, 03:29:10 PM »
It's def relevant in the defensive zone.

That depends on the defensive system. You can still have a strong defensive system where the guy lining up at C doesn't necessarily play the defensive role of a C.
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« Reply #230 on: July 10, 2019, 03:33:06 PM »
The player earmarked as centre should be the most likely first forward back because he should be hovering high in the OZ to cover exits. Each line makeup might result in a different pattern of play.

I don't think that's necessarily true. It depends which forward had taken the F1 or F2 role in the offensive zone forecheck.

The high person is simply F3.

You definitely may have a more traditional centre in the defensive zone but does it make a difference whether that guy had started as a C on the draw or a wing? I mean, off a defensive zone draw, your responsibility as a C is to stick with your opposing C. That is all.


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« Reply #231 on: July 12, 2019, 12:01:50 AM »

That’s kind of cute.
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« Reply #232 on: July 12, 2019, 08:40:15 AM »

That’s kind of cute.

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« Reply #233 on: July 12, 2019, 09:52:52 AM »

That’s kind of cute.

I think we're happier with Barrie & Kerfoot, no?
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« Reply #234 on: July 12, 2019, 09:56:35 AM »
I think we're happier with Barrie & Kerfoot, no?

It's close. Barrie is the more exciting player but Brodie maybe fits more of a need as a defensive player and would probably be cheaper to re-sign.
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« Reply #235 on: July 12, 2019, 09:58:49 AM »

That’s kind of cute.

I think we're happier with Barrie & Kerfoot, no?


Yea, I think the Col package is easily superior. Brodie isn't as good as Barrie, is two years older and still a UFA after this upcoming season. Jankowski has the 1st rnd pick "pedigree" and size that everyone covets but is the same age as Kerfoot and has produced significantly less offensively thus far. Unless the 3rd + was a major piece, I think Kadri did us all a favour here...

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« Reply #236 on: July 12, 2019, 09:59:58 AM »

That’s kind of cute.

I think we're happier with Barrie & Kerfoot, no?

Barrie over Brodie, yeah. I might have preferred Jankowski to Kerfoot though.

Appears the Leafs also would have kept Rosen and added another piece from Winnipeg in the deal.

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« Reply #237 on: July 12, 2019, 10:01:52 AM »
I think we're happier with Barrie & Kerfoot, no?

It's close. Barrie is the more exciting player but Brodie maybe fits more of a need as a defensive player and would probably be cheaper to re-sign.

Sure, but Toronto can still sign him this offseason anyway. He's 29 so it's not like the team owning his rights would give him an 8 year contract. I'm far more impressed by Col's package... (that sounds obscene  :-X )

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« Reply #238 on: July 12, 2019, 10:05:50 AM »
Jankowski has the 1st rnd pick "pedigree" and size that everyone covets but is the same age as Kerfoot and has produced significantly less offensively thus far.

Eh. Kerfoot had 42 points this season while getting a pretty hefty amount of PP time while Jankowski had 32 with almost no PP time and getting a regular PK shift. In a vacuum, considering the Leafs' needs I'd rather have Jankowski.
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« Reply #239 on: July 12, 2019, 10:07:48 AM »
Sure, but Toronto can still sign him this offseason anyway. He's 29 so it's not like the team owning his rights would give him an 8 year contract.

No, but having his rights gives a team more of an advantage than just that one year. It gives you exclusive negotiating rights. Provided Brodie would have liked it here and had a reasonable ask, then it's easy to see a deal getting done. If a player gets to a UFA market you do have to bid against every other team and it's probably a crapshoot at best.
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