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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1020 on: July 08, 2019, 10:07:24 PM »

 Besides if he signs now, what do we do for the rest of the summer.

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« Reply #1021 on: July 08, 2019, 10:40:19 PM »

 Besides if he signs now, what do we do for the rest of the summer.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1022 on: July 08, 2019, 10:49:07 PM »

 Besides if he signs now, what do we do for the rest of the summer.

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I've already made up my expert mind on that.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1023 on: July 10, 2019, 03:11:50 PM »
Does anyone here still believe an offer sheet for Marner is still imminent ?
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1024 on: July 10, 2019, 03:19:12 PM »
Does anyone here still believe an offer sheet for Marner is still imminent ?

There was some hypothesizing that teams would offersheet later into the offseason to give respondent teams less time to react.

So far, we've just heard that no team is offering anything in the Marner camp sweet spot of minimal term with UFA cap hits. All that really tells me is that Marner might be open to leaving Toronto but only at an astronomical financial opportunity because he generally wants to stay.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1025 on: July 10, 2019, 03:25:11 PM »
Does anyone here still believe an offer sheet for Marner is still imminent ?

There was some hypothesizing that teams would offersheet later into the offseason to give respondent teams less time to react.

So far, we've just heard that no team is offering anything in the Marner camp sweet spot of minimal term with UFA cap hits. All that really tells me is that Marner might be open to leaving Toronto but only at an astronomical financial opportunity because he generally wants to stay.

 Interesting. I also don’t think we can dismiss the idea that the Marner camp put that rumour to the media.  The timing was certainly convenient when much more reliable sources like Dreger and McKenzie were on summer vacation.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1026 on: July 10, 2019, 03:31:24 PM »
Does anyone here still believe an offer sheet for Marner is still imminent ?

I took at a look at the cap situations for teams around the league, and there really isn't a good fit for an imminent offer sheet. Teams either don't have the space, have prominent RFAs to sign that will take up the space, or are likely to be bottom 5 teams next season and possibly beyond. Unless we see some cap clearing moves start to happen, I'm not worried about one happening.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1027 on: July 10, 2019, 04:04:17 PM »
Does anyone here still believe an offer sheet for Marner is still imminent ?

I never did to begin with, and I think one is even less likely with each passing day.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1028 on: July 10, 2019, 06:14:23 PM »
Does anyone here still believe an offer sheet for Marner is still imminent ?

I took at a look at the cap situations for teams around the league, and there really isn't a good fit for an imminent offer sheet. Teams either don't have the space, have prominent RFAs to sign that will take up the space, or are likely to be bottom 5 teams next season and possibly beyond. Unless we see some cap clearing moves start to happen, I'm not worried about one happening.
That and there are so many options out there with players who might even take less. How many out there are saying they're worth AM34 money? Why would a team deal with such a headache of an agent who's delusional and unwilling to negotiate in good faith? I'd rather sniff out Point or Rantanen before Marner.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1029 on: July 10, 2019, 06:22:18 PM »
It’s unlikely any other team (and in this case, other than the Islanders) offer sheets Marner.

Speaking of the Islanders, don’t know what Lamoriello is thinking but looking at the capfriendly site, they wouldn’t even have room to sign Marner at this point unless they shed salary or deftly work their way around the roster.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/islanders

They have $8,653,334 cap space.  They still need to sign Del Colle & Beauvillier.  That may take up $3-4M+.  Should they be offering Marner $11M+, they’ll need to be in the $7-8M range in order to be cap compliant.
Even if they were to save an extra $2M ( by way of fewer roster players), there’s still $5M outstanding to find, which would mean trading one or two of their top salaried players — Boychuk or Leddy.

It’s unlikely any team offer sheeting Marner would want to give out four first round picks.

I don’t believe in a New York minute that Marner is going anywhere...but here.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1030 on: July 10, 2019, 07:46:41 PM »
That and there are so many options out there with players who might even take less. How many out there are saying they're worth AM34 money? Why would a team deal with such a headache of an agent who's delusional and unwilling to negotiate in good faith? I'd rather sniff out Point or Rantanen before Marner.

If those guys and their agents are so reasonable, how come they haven't signed either?
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1031 on: July 10, 2019, 08:25:44 PM »
That and there are so many options out there with players who might even take less. How many out there are saying they're worth AM34 money? Why would a team deal with such a headache of an agent who's delusional and unwilling to negotiate in good faith? I'd rather sniff out Point or Rantanen before Marner.

If those guys and their agents are so reasonable, how come they haven't signed either?
I'm not saying a reasonable agent would sign a contract, I think that they'd be easier to work with. It could be a front, but I don't know if I'd want to work with an agent that pulls a bunch of crap in negotiations that ultimately just make things worse for all parties.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1032 on: July 10, 2019, 09:15:35 PM »
I'm not saying a reasonable agent would sign a contract, I think that they'd be easier to work with. It could be a front, but I don't know if I'd want to work with an agent that pulls a bunch of crap in negotiations that ultimately just make things worse for all parties.

It's not particularly effective if you already know the agent's tactics and are able to keep a level head.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1033 on: July 11, 2019, 12:22:19 AM »
I'm not saying a reasonable agent would sign a contract, I think that they'd be easier to work with. It could be a front, but I don't know if I'd want to work with an agent that pulls a bunch of crap in negotiations that ultimately just make things worse for all parties.

If they're not any more willing to meet on contract terms I don't see how they're all that easier to work with. Beyond that, you seem to be confusing the fact that you don't like what you think Marner's reps are doing with what effect they're likely to have on Dubas and company(and, likewise, you probably have to show your math on anything "making things worse" for all parties).

All Dubas is likely to care about is the numbers he has to work with. So long as none of these big deal RFAs are signed, I think it's premature to say who is "easier" to work with just based on what information filters down to us.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #1034 on: July 11, 2019, 02:55:27 PM »
Twitter is down as of now.  I can only assume Marner signed and broke it.