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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2130 on: May 09, 2021, 02:16:24 PM »
The Leafs are the best team in the division by a fair bit.  They should win the first two rounds, no matter who's in goal on the other side.  Anything less would be a big disappointment; another first-round loss would be a disaster.  It could happen, of course, but they have really shored up the defense and I think that should stand them in good stead this time around.

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2131 on: May 09, 2021, 04:03:21 PM »
Hyman, Foligno, and Nash have all been skating recently and look pretty close to being healthy. Hopefully they're able to get into the final 2 regular season games and we can get a better idea what our playoff line-up is gonna look like. Still sticking to my prediction from a little bit ago which was:

Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Nash-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Gally and Engvall have done a good job in the last couple weeks to make this a tough decision on Keefe, and to signal to the rest of the line-up that changes could come quick if need be. And that could certainly be the case if guys like Nash/Thornton/Simmonds don't make an impact early on (or make a negative impact).

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2132 on: May 09, 2021, 06:42:39 PM »
What about the D?

Rielly- Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Sandin

Until Bogosian returns and replaced probably Sandin?
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« Reply #2133 on: May 09, 2021, 07:26:28 PM »
What about the D?

Rielly- Brodie
Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Sandin

Until Bogosian returns and replaced probably Sandin?

My money would be on Sandin staying in over Dermott when Bogosian gets back, largely because of the impact he'll be bringing on the powerplay. But it seems like they'll get a few playoff games if not an entire series before having to make that call.

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2134 on: May 10, 2021, 03:53:58 AM »
That would be my preference, but Dermott hasn't done enough to lose his spot I feel either and while I know Keefe is a bit more progressive than some of the old school, I can still see some stock being put in that loyalty.

I suppose it might just be a case Sandin has "earned" it.
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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2135 on: May 10, 2021, 11:17:09 AM »
Hyman, Foligno, and Nash have all been skating recently and look pretty close to being healthy. Hopefully they're able to get into the final 2 regular season games and we can get a better idea what our playoff line-up is gonna look like. Still sticking to my prediction from a little bit ago which was:

Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-Tavares-Nylander
Mikheyev-Nash-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Gally and Engvall have done a good job in the last couple weeks to make this a tough decision on Keefe, and to signal to the rest of the line-up that changes could come quick if need be. And that could certainly be the case if guys like Nash/Thornton/Simmonds don't make an impact early on (or make a negative impact).

Personally I take out Mikheyev over Galchenyuk and I run the following:

Foligno-Matthews-Marner
Galchenyuk-Tavares-Nylander
Kerfoot-Nash-Hyman
Thornton-Spezza-Simmonds

Foligno can take Mikheyev's spot on the PK if needed. Plus having Hyman & Nash back is another huge PK player in the mix. With that in mind, I think Galchenyuk brings more to the table than Mikheyev.

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2136 on: May 10, 2021, 11:29:24 AM »
With all due respect, I don't understand inserting Riley Nash into the lineup. He's yet to play a game for the Leafs and he's averaged 3.3 goals over the last 3 seasons. He seems like a great fallback plan if there are injuries, but I see him more like the Marincin of the forward group, a guy waiting in the wings.

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« Reply #2137 on: May 10, 2021, 11:32:40 AM »
I don't know that you're inserting Nash to score goals. I think you're inserting him to truly be a shutdown centre. Which allows you to free up Matthews from playing against the other team's top lines. That's my thoughts anyways.

I think Kerfoot - Nash - Hyman is a fantastic shutdown line.

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2138 on: May 10, 2021, 11:35:34 AM »

Oh man, gonna have to revise my lines.

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2139 on: May 10, 2021, 11:38:06 AM »
I don't know that you're inserting Nash to score goals. I think you're inserting him to truly be a shutdown centre. Which allows you to free up Matthews from playing against the other team's top lines. That's my thoughts anyways.

I think Kerfoot - Nash - Hyman is a fantastic shutdown line.

I was hesitant about Nash at first but his defensive metrics are just so good, and I'd imagine that the Leafs acquired him hoping he could bring that over here. I'm willing to at least give him a chance.

But this also more frees up the Tavares line than the Matthews line like we saw at the start of the season.
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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2140 on: May 10, 2021, 11:40:25 AM »
I don't know that you're inserting Nash to score goals. I think you're inserting him to truly be a shutdown centre. Which allows you to free up Matthews from playing against the other team's top lines. That's my thoughts anyways.

I think Kerfoot - Nash - Hyman is a fantastic shutdown line.

Sure, I get that, but he's yet to play a game, I don't share in the enthusiasm.

I'd rather go into the playoffs with the guys that got us there, Galchy, Mikheyev, Kerfoot, etc.


Also, in the most recent playoffs the Leafs had a problem scoring goals not preventing them. I'm sure I want to lose any of that. Hyman - Kerfoot - Mikheyev could put some points on the board.
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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2141 on: May 10, 2021, 11:56:19 AM »
With all due respect, I don't understand inserting Riley Nash into the lineup. He's yet to play a game for the Leafs and he's averaged 3.3 goals over the last 3 seasons. He seems like a great fallback plan if there are injuries, but I see him more like the Marincin of the forward group, a guy waiting in the wings.

He's an elite shutdown center and excellent penalty killer. The PK hasn't exactly been a source of strength with the team's current personnel, and special teams is often a difference maker in the playoffs. He might not be as important a piece against the Habs, but gotta get him into games, as he will be vital if the Leafs move on.
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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2142 on: May 10, 2021, 11:58:13 AM »
Also, in the most recent playoffs the Leafs had a problem scoring goals not preventing them. I'm sure I want to lose any of that. Hyman - Kerfoot - Mikheyev could put some points on the board.

But that line really struggled to produce much offence in their (limited) time together at the start of the season. So if that line's just there to play to a tie with one of the opposition scorings lines I'd rather a defensive specialist like Nash take those minutes so a more skilled player like Kerfoot can go on L2 to produce offence.

I'd rather go into the playoffs with the guys that got us there, Galchy, Mikheyev, Kerfoot, etc.

I will say I do buy into this idea a little bit, and that's why I have Gally on the outside over guys like Kerfoot and Mikheyev. I'm not sure his 24 games really qualify as being someone who "got us there", especially when Engvall has played 40 games and isn't really in the conversation playing game 1 of the playoffs.
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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2143 on: May 10, 2021, 12:05:15 PM »
This is a really interesting debate.  Dappleganger has a point about taking scorers off the board (even if, like Mikheyev, their scoring has been more potential than actual this year).

Vs MTL, if Price is back in and he starts stoning us, then I would question having Nash in over anybody else who can score better.  We don't need an elite shutdown center to shut down MTL.

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Re: 2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
« Reply #2144 on: May 10, 2021, 12:16:56 PM »
With all due respect, I don't understand inserting Riley Nash into the lineup. He's yet to play a game for the Leafs and he's averaged 3.3 goals over the last 3 seasons. He seems like a great fallback plan if there are injuries, but I see him more like the Marincin of the forward group, a guy waiting in the wings.

I agree. I don't see Keefe fixing what isn't broken. Nash may go in for Brooks on the 4th, but that's it for me right now. He doesn't have enough offence to warrant a 3rd line role.