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Title: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Darryl on January 03, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
MLB really needs to fix their offseason. The least exciting of the big four.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on January 26, 2021, 08:29:40 PM

Nobody gets elected to the Hall of Fame which isn't the worst thing in the world. Other than the steroid guys the best candidates are probably Scott Rolen, Andruw Jones and Curt Schilling and Rolen and Jones should go but aren't exactly all-time legends and Schilling, well, I hope he's forever on the outside looking in.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Deebo on January 26, 2021, 08:40:18 PM
Quote from: Nik on January 26, 2021, 08:29:40 PM

Nobody gets elected to the Hall of Fame which isn't the worst thing in the world. Other than the steroid guys the best candidates are probably Scott Rolen, Andruw Jones and Curt Schilling and Rolen and Jones should go but aren't exactly all-time legends and Schilling, well, I hope he's forever on the outside looking in.

Schilling asked for his name to removed from the ballot for his final year.

This is like Michael Scott withdrawing from consideration for the corporate job.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on January 26, 2021, 09:05:41 PM
Quote from: Deebo on January 26, 2021, 08:40:18 PM
Schilling asked for his name to removed from the ballot for his final year.

This is like Michael Scott withdrawing from consideration for the corporate job.

Dear Rihanna,

I have concluded, after much consideration, that I am unable to be your boyfriend for a variety of reasons....
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on January 30, 2021, 12:48:25 PM

This really has been the off-season to have money to spend. The trade for Nolan Arenado, as well as the one for Lindor, were not just ones where elite players got moved but ones where the returns were pretty unimpressive. Not only did Colorado not get any of the Cardinals' top prospects, they gave St. Louis 50 million dollars.

Just unreal.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on February 05, 2021, 03:58:27 PM

Looks like Bauer is a Dodger.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Deebo on February 05, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2021, 03:58:27 PM

Looks like Bauer is a Dodger.

With what is essentially a 2 year 85M contract

There is 3rd year at 17M but he has opt outs after both the 1st and 2nd years.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on February 05, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Deebo on February 05, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2021, 03:58:27 PM

Looks like Bauer is a Dodger.

With what is essentially a 2 year 85M contract

There is 3rd year at 17M but he has opt outs after both the 1st and 2nd years.

I don't get it at all. Bauer had a great year but before that he's been pretty good at best for the most part and his great year was 11 starts. And the Dodgers are stacked in the rotation to the extent that this either means they'll have to pay David Price to pitch somewhere else(which is something I'd like the Jays to be in on) or they move someone like Dustin May into the bullpen when he really should be starting.

What a weird rationale for bringing on board one of the least likable people in MLB at great expense.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on February 05, 2021, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2021, 05:05:55 PM
Quote from: Deebo on February 05, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: Nik on February 05, 2021, 03:58:27 PM

Looks like Bauer is a Dodger.

With what is essentially a 2 year 85M contract

There is 3rd year at 17M but he has opt outs after both the 1st and 2nd years.

I don't get it at all. Bauer had a great year but before that he's been pretty good at best for the most part and his great year was 11 starts. And the Dodgers are stacked in the rotation to the extent that this either means they'll have to pay David Price to pitch somewhere else(which is something I'd like the Jays to be in on) or they move someone like Dustin May into the bullpen when he really should be starting.

What a weird rationale for bringing on board one of the least likable people in MLB at great expense.

Yeah David Price for free is something I would be down for. 

I?m glad the Jays didn?t pull the trigger on that contract for Bauer.  His career is not realizable and he is absolutely not the best pitcher in baseball.  That and he?s a political hot potato
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Highlander on February 06, 2021, 01:13:58 PM
Good no Bauer.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on April 02, 2021, 06:43:52 PM

MLB announced they're moving the All-Star Game out of Atlanta to protest Georgia's new restrictive voting laws.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 02, 2021, 07:58:10 PM
Good decision.  The Republicans have been jawing back at Delta for their criticism.  I'm not sure that they care about economic consequences anymore
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Joe on April 05, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
Almost 40k fans maskless at the rangers game. Good on you mlb and Texas. You show that virus that you won't be scared off. 'Murica!!
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 06, 2021, 08:40:37 AM
Quote from: Joe S. on April 05, 2021, 08:09:27 PM
Almost 40k fans maskless at the rangers game. Good on you mlb and Texas. You show that virus that you won't be scared off. 'Murica!!

I like that the governor refused to throw out the first pitch because of the bs in Georgia. Nothing like a temper tantrum from a 63 year old man.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: seahawk on April 06, 2021, 03:47:14 PM
MLB moving the All-Star Game to Denver. Home Run Derby should be interesting in the mile high air.

https://www.mlb.com/news/rockies-denver-to-host-2021-mlb-all-star-game
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 10:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1380320503315988480?s=19
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on April 09, 2021, 08:07:08 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on April 08, 2021, 10:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1380320503315988480?s=19

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l2QEcRFnl4mun6ACY/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 09, 2021, 08:52:53 AM
A nice reminder of how umpires suck at their job yesterday.   The Mets win a game with a walk-off hit by pitch on a ball that was in the strikezone and Michael Conforto stuck his arm out to get hit.

Both the attempt to get in the way of the ball instead of avoiding it and the fact that the ball was in the strikezone should have made it a called strike three to end the inning.  Former Blue Jays reliever Anthony Bass was on the mound.

Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 09, 2021, 02:25:14 PM
Quote from: L K on April 09, 2021, 08:52:53 AM
A nice reminder of how umpires suck at their job yesterday.   The Mets win a game with a walk-off hit by pitch on a ball that was in the strikezone and Michael Conforto stuck his arm out to get hit.

Both the attempt to get in the way of the ball instead of avoiding it and the fact that the ball was in the strikezone should have made it a called strike three to end the inning.  Former Blue Jays reliever Anthony Bass was on the mound.
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1380262367792001025

Pretty obvious, too.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
Yeah, he totally sticks his elbow out. At the very least, that should have been considered a foul ball and a dead play.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 09, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
Yeah, he totally sticks his elbow out. At the very least, that should have been considered a foul ball and a dead play.

It's not even that.  The rule book is explicit.  Either not attempting to get out of the way of the ball (this one is relative as you don't have to dive to the ground to make that count) or if the ball is in the zone it's a strike.  It's not even up for debate. 
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 04:17:46 PM
Quote from: L K on April 09, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 09, 2021, 03:46:43 PM
Yeah, he totally sticks his elbow out. At the very least, that should have been considered a foul ball and a dead play.

It's not even that.  The rule book is explicit.  Either not attempting to get out of the way of the ball (this one is relative as you don't have to dive to the ground to make that count) or if the ball is in the zone it's a strike.  It's not even up for debate.

Well, yeah, that would have been the right call, but the umps clearly didn't want to go by the book. I'm more suggesting a less controversial wrong call. At full speed, I can see the argument that the ump may not have seen him stick his elbow out, and turning back would be considered enough for trying to get out of the way (MLB has never had a great standard for that). With the pitch being borderline, a wrong but less impactful call probably would have meant the whole thing doesn't create much of a stir.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on May 07, 2021, 09:40:04 AM
https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1390652333776855043
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on May 07, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: herman on May 07, 2021, 09:40:04 AM
https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1390652333776855043
It'll be interesting to see the MVP voting for a player who may not be the best hitter or the best pitcher but who does both extraordinarily well.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on May 07, 2021, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 07, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
Quote from: herman on May 07, 2021, 09:40:04 AM
https://twitter.com/bnicholsonsmith/status/1390652333776855043
It'll be interesting to see the MVP voting for a player who may not be the best hitter or the best pitcher but who does both extraordinarily well.

It's nice to see a pitcher swing a bat and not look like he's trying to hit from the wrong side of the plate.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on May 07, 2021, 01:34:23 PM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on May 07, 2021, 09:59:17 AM
It'll be interesting to see the MVP voting for a player who may not be the best hitter or the best pitcher but who does both extraordinarily well.

I think the issue there is ultimately going to be will he be able to pitch enough innings to make up for in value what he's being cost by DHing. Because while even being a 4 win hitter and a 2 win pitcher would be an incredible achievement, it wouldn't have him up there in the leaders of just raw value.

I could see some people wanting to vote for him because of the uniqueness of what he's doing but I think like any player unless he can get up to 7 or 8 wins he'll be a longshot for an MVP discussion.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on May 30, 2021, 10:42:23 AM
It'll be interesting to see what happens with this:
https://www.tsn.ca/atlanta-braves-of-ozuna-arrested-on-domestic-violence-charge-1.1647147
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on June 16, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405192300276355073
Mmhmm (thread)
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on June 17, 2021, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: herman on June 16, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405192300276355073
Mmhmm (thread)

https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405581713548451846

Whoops
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on June 17, 2021, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: L K on June 17, 2021, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: herman on June 16, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405192300276355073
Mmhmm (thread)

https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405581713548451846

Whoops

Where are the screenshots
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Highlander on June 17, 2021, 03:54:54 PM
What did he say?
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on June 17, 2021, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Highlander on June 17, 2021, 03:54:54 PM
What did he say?

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/baseball-analyst-ryan-spaeder-viral-tweetstorm-cheating
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on June 17, 2021, 04:31:56 PM
Quote from: herman on June 17, 2021, 03:54:03 PM
Quote from: L K on June 17, 2021, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: herman on June 16, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405192300276355073
Mmhmm (thread)

https://twitter.com/theaceofspaeder/status/1405581713548451846

Whoops

Where are the screenshots

Deleted it looks like although he has another tirade about spidertack and MLB from the last two days as well. 
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Highlander on June 17, 2021, 06:37:36 PM
Quote from: herman on June 17, 2021, 03:58:07 PM
Quote from: Highlander on June 17, 2021, 03:54:54 PM
What did he say?

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/baseball-analyst-ryan-spaeder-viral-tweetstorm-cheating
Ouch, that borders on libel or is libel but I guess anyone can say almost anything about public figures these days.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on June 23, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
I think baseball is going to have to put some limits on the whole "check the guy" option that managers have.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on July 02, 2021, 08:30:01 AM
Trevor Bauer is just in a teensy little bit of hot water it looks like.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on July 02, 2021, 02:48:45 PM
Quote from: L K on July 02, 2021, 08:30:01 AM
Trevor Bauer is just in a teensy little bit of hot water it looks like.

He's been put on administrative leave which at least avoids the possibility of his starting this weekend and you have to assume that if he was a potential All-Star that won't be happening.

What a piece of work that guy is.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Deebo on July 23, 2021, 10:15:15 AM
Cleveland has named thier team the Guardians.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Peter D. on July 23, 2021, 10:49:10 AM
Quote from: Deebo on July 23, 2021, 10:15:15 AM
Cleveland has named thier team the Guardians.

This was the first I read of the new name before seeing it elsewhere.

Honestly thought it was a joke.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on July 23, 2021, 11:08:35 AM
Quote from: Deebo on July 23, 2021, 10:15:15 AM
Cleveland has named thier team the Guardians.

It's an interesting choice. I thought for sure they'd revive the Cleveland Spiders or something thematically similar.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on July 23, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
It's funny to be criticizing Cleveland's Baseball Team for having a name that's hilariously bland and inoffensive but...here we are.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Dappleganger on July 23, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on July 23, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
It's funny to be criticizing Cleveland's Baseball Team for having a name that's hilariously bland and inoffensive but...here we are.

Apparently 'Cleveland Baseball Team' was taken.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: AtomicMapleLeaf on July 23, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on July 23, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on July 23, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
It's funny to be criticizing Cleveland's Baseball Team for having a name that's hilariously bland and inoffensive but...here we are.

Apparently 'Cleveland Baseball Team' was taken.

Base Ballers would have been a good name.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on July 23, 2021, 04:26:48 PM
Good news for anyone who called the team "the 'dians".
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Arn on July 26, 2021, 03:15:35 AM
They did get Tom Hanks to narrate the reveal video though so there's that.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on July 31, 2021, 06:15:21 PM
Quote from: Dappleganger on July 23, 2021, 11:20:44 AM
Quote from: Nik on July 23, 2021, 11:12:03 AM
It's funny to be criticizing Cleveland's Baseball Team for having a name that's hilariously bland and inoffensive but...here we are.

Apparently 'Cleveland Baseball Team' was taken.

Speaking of taken
https://twitter.com/sportslawlust/status/1421492140992049153
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on July 31, 2021, 06:23:01 PM

The MLB team will just pay them for it. No way they'll change it again.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Arn on July 31, 2021, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: Nik on July 31, 2021, 06:23:01 PM

The MLB team will just pay them for it. No way they'll change it again.

Tom Hanks doesn't really do sequels.


(Bar Toy Story i suppose)
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Highlander on August 01, 2021, 09:48:12 AM
Quote from: Arn on July 31, 2021, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: Nik on July 31, 2021, 06:23:01 PM

The MLB team will just pay them for it. No way they'll change it again.

Tom Hanks doesn't really do sequels.


(Bar Toy Story i suppose)
He only did it cause he had a Woody.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 01, 2021, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: Nik on July 31, 2021, 06:23:01 PM

The MLB team will just pay them for it. No way they'll change it again.
Does anybody know if Vegas takes wagers on predicting the wealthiest roller derby franchise? I'm torn between laying a few bucks on either the Cleveland Guardians or the Lane County Concussion.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on August 01, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
https://twitter.com/umpjob
Easily one of the more infuriating follows
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Peter D. on August 02, 2021, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: herman on August 01, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
https://twitter.com/umpjob
Easily one of the more infuriating follows

Good grief. Just scrolled through a few. Forget how egregious some of them were. The fact the umps easily tossed a few players questioning the calls is infuriating to see. Not only do they botch up the call, they can't be questioned nor held accountable, and just toss them out.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on August 02, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 02, 2021, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: herman on August 01, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
https://twitter.com/umpjob
Easily one of the more infuriating follows

Good grief. Just scrolled through a few. Forget how egregious some of them were. The fact the umps easily tossed a few players questioning the calls is infuriating to see. Not only do they botch up the call, they can't be questioned nor held accountable, and just toss them out.
https://twitter.com/birenball/status/1422303788384366605

Oof.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on August 06, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
https://twitter.com/bbletter/status/1400857698023903234
The game within the game
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Frank E on August 06, 2021, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on August 02, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 02, 2021, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: herman on August 01, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
https://twitter.com/umpjob
Easily one of the more infuriating follows

Good grief. Just scrolled through a few. Forget how egregious some of them were. The fact the umps easily tossed a few players questioning the calls is infuriating to see. Not only do they botch up the call, they can't be questioned nor held accountable, and just toss them out.
https://twitter.com/birenball/status/1422303788384366605

Oof.

I think I saw that pitch!  I was watching the game on holiday Monday...they didn't even make a big deal of it, and I was like WTF WAS THAT!!!
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: A Weekend at Bernier's on August 06, 2021, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: Frank E on August 06, 2021, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on August 02, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 02, 2021, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: herman on August 01, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
https://twitter.com/umpjob
Easily one of the more infuriating follows

Good grief. Just scrolled through a few. Forget how egregious some of them were. The fact the umps easily tossed a few players questioning the calls is infuriating to see. Not only do they botch up the call, they can't be questioned nor held accountable, and just toss them out.
https://twitter.com/birenball/status/1422303788384366605

Oof.

I think I saw that pitch!  I was watching the game on holiday Monday...they didn't even make a big deal of it, and I was like WTF WAS THAT!!!

Buck did mention it in the broadcast.  But I believe the batter flied out the next pitch and they simply moved on.

The only thing that could possibly explain it was that it was Cimber's first pitch and that deep side arm motion caught the ump by surprise.  Then again, his strike zone was really inconsistent all game.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Frank E on August 06, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Quote from: A Weekend at Bernier's on August 06, 2021, 12:30:39 PM
Quote from: Frank E on August 06, 2021, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: Heroic Shrimp on August 02, 2021, 08:08:57 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on August 02, 2021, 12:12:31 PM
Quote from: herman on August 01, 2021, 06:34:16 PM
https://twitter.com/umpjob
Easily one of the more infuriating follows

Good grief. Just scrolled through a few. Forget how egregious some of them were. The fact the umps easily tossed a few players questioning the calls is infuriating to see. Not only do they botch up the call, they can't be questioned nor held accountable, and just toss them out.
https://twitter.com/birenball/status/1422303788384366605

Oof.

I think I saw that pitch!  I was watching the game on holiday Monday...they didn't even make a big deal of it, and I was like WTF WAS THAT!!!

Buck did mention it in the broadcast.  But I believe the batter flied out the next pitch and they simply moved on.

The only thing that could possibly explain it was that it was Cimber's first pitch and that deep side arm motion caught the ump by surprise.  Then again, his strike zone was really inconsistent all game.

I guess, but I'd have thought he saw the warm-up pitches.  It was a brutal call in a tight game.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Highlander on August 06, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
Time to bring technology into the game. Tennis has been transformed by tracking technology where it used to be a farce (and few good arguments) by bad calls.

Baseball has so many bad calls an inning, forgetaboutit.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on August 31, 2021, 11:33:37 PM
https://twitter.com/jack_a_harris/status/1432908531636707332
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on September 04, 2021, 02:35:46 PM
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1433985039423901698
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: OldTimeHockey on September 05, 2021, 11:12:46 AM
Quote from: herman on September 04, 2021, 02:35:46 PM
https://twitter.com/pitchingninja/status/1433985039423901698

They look identical coming out of his hand. Amazing
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on November 05, 2021, 03:48:44 PM
https://twitter.com/thowedoffalil/status/1456681001594376200
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Frank E on November 05, 2021, 03:52:24 PM
I have to think that's a safety thing being at speed because they don't know what crazies are in the crowd?
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on April 13, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
Not going to bother with a new thread
https://twitter.com/jomboymedia/status/1514102141966815232
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 13, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Clayton Kershaw - 53 strikes, 27 balls.  13K 0BB 0 Hits 0 Wild pitches 0 Errors
Gets pulled 7 innings into a perfect game.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2022, 09:16:58 AM
9-0 and your opponent has apparently given up despite there being 3 innings left? I dunno that seems like a good time to practice plays like bunts in a real game with little pressure on you.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 09:26:35 AM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on April 14, 2022, 09:16:58 AM
9-0 and your opponent has apparently given up despite there being 3 innings left? I dunno that seems like a good time to practice plays like bunts in a real game with little pressure on you.

I guess, especially early in the season. I guess, in some ways, I'm a little old school.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on April 14, 2022, 09:59:40 AM
It's weird because some people get insulted when you ease up while being ahead, and others get insulted when you play hard. Mercy rules help cut this off so teams can reset even if they don't get the outs.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on April 14, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.

I've always felt there was a pretty decent equilibrium there. You can bunt whenever you want but keep in mind that there are times when you do it that might result in you getting thrown at later(and, likewise, being thrown at should not be with 95+ fastball anywhere particularly dangerous).

This argument always strikes me as weird because it seems like the new school take of "bunting during blowouts isn't the end of the world but being thrown at is" is just as hysterical as anything the old school guardians say. 
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 11:18:30 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 14, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
I've always felt there was a pretty decent equilibrium there. You can bunt whenever you want but keep in mind that there are times when you do it that might result in you getting thrown at later(and, likewise, being thrown at should not be with 95+ fastball anywhere particularly dangerous).

This argument always strikes me as weird because it seems like the new school take of "bunting during blowouts isn't the end of the world but being thrown at is" is just as hysterical as anything the old school guardians say.

Yeah, that's fair. I don't think "if you do something the other team doesn't like, expect them to do something you don't like" is an unfair way to handle this - as long as the response is proportional, obviously, and as long as it doesn't escalate.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 14, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
Quote from: Nik on April 14, 2022, 10:12:08 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.

I've always felt there was a pretty decent equilibrium there. You can bunt whenever you want but keep in mind that there are times when you do it that might result in you getting thrown at later(and, likewise, being thrown at should not be with 95+ fastball anywhere particularly dangerous).

This argument always strikes me as weird because it seems like the new school take of "bunting during blowouts isn't the end of the world but being thrown at is" is just as hysterical as anything the old school guardians say.

I mean there is a huge difference between intentionally throwing at a player and hurting their feelings by getting a base hit.

What if I changed it around to say that it's acceptable to pull a Michigan in a 4-goal lead but you should expect a crosscheck to the face for doing it? 

I have never understood the rationale that throwing at players under any circumstance made sense in baseball.  The "no crying in baseball" crowd seem to get awfully bent out of shape over emotional insults (hitting on 3-0 counts, bunting, putting extra runs on the board).

I think for me why I don't care is that Mauricio Dubon is a borderline MLB player.  He's basically 28 and has a career slash of .259/.303/.392/.695

I find it hard to get upset about a guy trying to get a hit in the 6th inning of a ballgame.  You might convince me more if this was the 9th inning but there were still 3 innings left in the game.  If teams don't want their opponent to try anymore because they are winning...then forfeit or put a mercy rule in baseball and stop games after 5+ innings if a team is winning by 7+ runs.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Dappleganger on April 14, 2022, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: L K on April 13, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Clayton Kershaw - 53 strikes, 27 balls.  13K 0BB 0 Hits 0 Wild pitches 0 Errors
Gets pulled 7 innings into a perfect game.

I hate this.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 14, 2022, 11:36:31 AM
Quote from: Dappleganger on April 14, 2022, 11:31:23 AM
Quote from: L K on April 13, 2022, 04:29:47 PM
Clayton Kershaw - 53 strikes, 27 balls.  13K 0BB 0 Hits 0 Wild pitches 0 Errors
Gets pulled 7 innings into a perfect game.

I hate this.

I don't disagree with it given the abbreviated spring training.  It just sucked to see him pitching that well and not take it into the 8th.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on April 14, 2022, 11:50:16 AM
Quote from: L K on April 14, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
I mean there is a huge difference between intentionally throwing at a player and hurting their feelings by getting a base hit.

I guess? But my point is that neither one is a particularly big deal.

Quote from: L K on April 14, 2022, 11:27:25 AM
What if I changed it around to say that it's acceptable to pull a Michigan in a 4-goal lead but you should expect a crosscheck to the face for doing it? 

Then I'd say there's a bit of a difference just in terms of consequences. Getting crosschecked in the face is not a natural thing that occurs within the context of a hockey game outside of the accepted level of player on player violence in the game. Conversely any of these guys playing pro baseball has been hit by a baseball almost certainly dozens of times, usually with no ill intent on anyone's part. It's such a common part of the game that you get taught, effectively, to minimize the damage of it by turning your butt or back to it. 9 times out of 10 it stings a bit, or leaves a bruise, and you move on. Getting plunked in the butt isn't a major or consequential penalty for doing something seen by some as disrespectful even if you don't agree with that interpretation.


Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Nik on April 14, 2022, 11:50:16 AM
Then I'd say there's a bit of a difference just in terms of consequences. Getting crosschecked in the face is not a natural thing that occurs within the context of a hockey game outside of the accepted level of player on player violence in the game. Conversely any of these guys playing pro baseball has been hit by a baseball almost certainly dozens of times, usually with no ill intent on anyone's part. It's such a common part of the game that you get taught, effectively, to minimize the damage of it by turning your butt or back to it. 9 times out of 10 it stings a bit, or leaves a bruise, and you move on. Getting plunked in the butt isn't a major or consequential penalty for doing something seen by some as disrespectful even if you don't agree with that interpretation.

Yeah. I'd say the hockey equivalent is more along the lines of guys being more focused on finishing their checks against you. It's a natural part of the game, players are trained how to take a hit, etc., and it's not something anyone has too much concern with, as long as it's done within the confines of what is an acceptable/legal hit.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2022, 12:54:45 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on April 14, 2022, 08:55:30 AM
Quote from: herman on April 13, 2022, 11:02:02 AM
Seems like there's a generation of athlete/athlete adjacent people who are very sensitive sore losers and need to bundle themselves up in unwritten rules to protect their emotions or else there will be violent retaliation.

I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I don't have an issue with teams running up the score. You never give up an opportunity to hit the ball and hit it hard. On the other hand, bunting for a hit feels like scratching and clawing for runs, which you don't need to do when you're up by 9.
I agree. Bunting for a hit in general is about trying to catch an opponent by surprise. Doing it 9 runs up **really** and kind of unfairly adds to the surprise. It's hard not to call it unsportsmanlike.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Heroic Shrimp on April 14, 2022, 03:25:38 PM
https://twitter.com/snstats/status/1514683721898729473
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on April 20, 2022, 07:06:41 PM
https://twitter.com/texascollegebsb/status/1516860888766193664
What even warrants this reaction? Lmao
His teammates letting him potentially get pwned by the whole other team is something telling too

Impressively, the base runner stayed on his feet and redirected the spear and later finished his home run
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 21, 2022, 05:10:34 PM
I dislike everything about Trevor Bauer but man is MLB being petty with their administrative leave extensions in his case.  Either step up and suspend the guy or let him play.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: L K on April 29, 2022, 03:26:08 PM
The absurd (in time) decision is in.  A 324 game suspension.  I stopped paying attention to the details of the case but this seemed to be a very grey area kind of case.  Ozuna got 20 games in the last domestic violence case.   Interesting appeal case coming i guess.   I f this is the new trend of sports taking domestic violence serious I'm good with it although I think this has more to do with Bauer pissing off owners/Manfred
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Nik on April 29, 2022, 03:28:08 PM
Quote from: L K on April 21, 2022, 05:10:34 PM
I dislike everything about Trevor Bauer but man is MLB being petty with their administrative leave extensions in his case.  Either step up and suspend the guy or let him play.

I mean, can't say they didn't step up.
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on May 15, 2022, 06:41:25 PM
https://twitter.com/mlberrors/status/1525937660761878528
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on May 17, 2022, 08:36:07 PM
https://twitter.com/jomboymedia/status/1526691738743709696
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: herman on May 18, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1527015950872084480
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Deebo on May 18, 2022, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: herman on May 18, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1527015950872084480

https://fanbuzz.com/mlb/minor-league-baseball-salary/
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Andy on May 19, 2022, 01:47:16 PM
Quote from: Deebo on May 18, 2022, 11:15:38 PM
Quote from: herman on May 18, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1527015950872084480

https://fanbuzz.com/mlb/minor-league-baseball-salary/

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/mlb-draft-slot-values-2021/1mgfu2bw38lcq1ki0c5bjvv5sr

Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Bender on May 19, 2022, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: herman on May 18, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1527015950872084480
But... Why?
Title: Re: 2021 MLB General thread
Post by: Highlander on May 19, 2022, 05:45:19 PM
Quote from: Bender on May 19, 2022, 03:24:21 PM
Quote from: herman on May 18, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
https://twitter.com/brendankutynj/status/1527015950872084480
But... Why?
Because some people are naturally bent.  I knew a guy who landed a dream job in Bermuda. Getting into a job there is like getting into Fort Knox. Great position, prestige, fantastic money and he does several bent things and gets himself tossed.  Last I heard he was selling used cars in southern England.