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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #90 on: July 28, 2021, 04:27:02 AM »
He could refuse to sign though couldn't he?

Like Lindros and Quebec. Or can you not go back into the draft now? 
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #91 on: July 28, 2021, 04:38:46 AM »
He could refuse to sign though couldn't he?

Like Lindros and Quebec. Or can you not go back into the draft now? 
He could refuse but Mon owns his rights for 2 years. My understanding is any unsigned drafts can only go back in the draft of they are under 20. All 20 year Olds are UFAs.

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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #92 on: July 28, 2021, 08:05:07 AM »
Didn't realise it was 2 years even if he didn't sign.

That really is a dick move by Montreal.
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #93 on: July 28, 2021, 12:09:14 PM »

Apparently Geoff Molson is going to release a statement detailing how the team will handle Mailloux.

I guarantee there will be a lot of "zero tolerance" or "high standards" that will ultimately boil down to nothing of substance. I wonder also if they maybe say that they won't sign him "until he proves his maturity" or something.
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #94 on: July 28, 2021, 12:37:43 PM »

Apparently Geoff Molson is going to release a statement detailing how the team will handle Mailloux.

I guarantee there will be a lot of "zero tolerance" or "high standards" that will ultimately boil down to nothing of substance. I wonder also if they maybe say that they won't sign him "until he proves his maturity" or something.


I'm sure this being released at the height of the free agent frenzy is a pure coincidence.

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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #95 on: July 28, 2021, 12:50:00 PM »
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #96 on: July 28, 2021, 12:52:08 PM »
And somehow it says even less than I thought it would.

You know what gets me? The idea that they gave him a "second chance". If he had worked hard and done what he said, proven that he learned from what he did and actually put in the work to become a different person then drafting him next year, like he requested, that would have been giving him a "second chance". This is giving him a first chance. This is saying he should face no consequences whatsoever for his actions.

I mean we say that the people whining about "cancel" culture are really just whining about any behaviour having any consequences but this is just the best example of how even the mildest inconvenience, waiting a year to be drafted like a lot of guys do, is going to be likened to witch burnings by the people whose primary interest is in seeing that absolutely no changes whatsoever are made to systems that protect the entrenched power of the privileged.
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #97 on: July 28, 2021, 02:03:40 PM »
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #98 on: July 28, 2021, 02:07:17 PM »
At this point does anyone believe that they aren't going to be involved in giving him detailed training recommendations through the remainder of the offseason and into next season.  He misses out on prospect camp and the first week or two of training camp but its complete bull#$#% that they are just going to ignore his development entirely.

Either own up to it or don't.  Draft him and say "yes he did bad things but we feel that nit was an isolated event that requires reparation but did not flag our ethics/conduct enough to not draft" or don't draft him.  This is basically saying "oh, people don't like it so yeah we feel bad for that".

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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #100 on: August 01, 2021, 11:41:03 AM »
Perhaps I don't know all the facts, but are people actually attacking the victim as Laraque claims? i.e. are people (e.g. the Canadiens or Mailloux) claiming that she shouldn't have put herself in that situation? That she should have known better? I understand that there will be jackasses saying that, but I haven't heard the PR team or others doing that or encouraging it.

Secondly, has he been convicted of a crime? (and yes, of course, I'm siding with and believing the victim.) But I'm just asking, factually, is he a sex offender? Speaking of which, while I am not in any way downplaying the seriousness of what he's done, I think we do need to put things in context. He didn't sexually assault or rape anyone. He was either 17 or 18 and likely didn't think of the consequences of what he did. He's harmed this young woman, but is there not a chance for redemption while still respecting the victim?

Non-consensually sharing private photos is often done as "revenge porn." That is, to harm someone, to extort them, and so on. It sounds like he just shared them with his buddies; like he was showing off. Still, a terrible (and illegal) thing to do, but not a malicious act. But again, I don't know all the facts.

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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #101 on: August 01, 2021, 01:21:21 PM »
Perhaps I don't know all the facts, but are people actually attacking the victim as Laraque claims? i.e. are people (e.g. the Canadiens or Mailloux) claiming that she shouldn't have put herself in that situation? That she should have known better? I understand that there will be jackasses saying that, but I haven't heard the PR team or others doing that or encouraging it.

Secondly, has he been convicted of a crime? (and yes, of course, I'm siding with and believing the victim.) But I'm just asking, factually, is he a sex offender? Speaking of which, while I am not in any way downplaying the seriousness of what he's done, I think we do need to put things in context. He didn't sexually assault or rape anyone. He was either 17 or 18 and likely didn't think of the consequences of what he did. He's harmed this young woman, but is there not a chance for redemption while still respecting the victim?

Non-consensually sharing private photos is often done as "revenge porn." That is, to harm someone, to extort them, and so on. It sounds like he just shared them with his buddies; like he was showing off. Still, a terrible (and illegal) thing to do, but not a malicious act. But again, I don't know all the facts.

Have you read the articles linked at the beginning of the thread? Because most of your questions are answered there.
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #102 on: August 01, 2021, 01:26:27 PM »
Secondly, has he been convicted of a crime? (and yes, of course, I'm siding with and believing the victim.) But I'm just asking, factually, is he a sex offender?

The answer to that question is a little complicated as this is an issue where laws have struggled at times to keep up with technology and vary from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. To my knowledge he was fined in Sweden as what he did isn't a criminal offense there while in Canada it is(The law is here C-46 if you're interested). So he did commit what we in Canada consider to be a criminal offense. I don't know if that technically would make him a "sex offender" by means of having to be part of a registry or what have you but I feel like if it's an issue where there's no real question about what happened(Mailloux has admitted it) and it's considered a serious crime in Canada then needing a criminal conviction to consider him a criminal is maybe a little too hair-splittery concerning the general point.

He's harmed this young woman, but is there not a chance for redemption while still respecting the victim?

I've said this before but I think the issue here isn't whether or not there's a chance for redemption but whether or not redemption can be immediate. Mailloux could have gone to school, educated himself on the manner, proved and established his contrition through actual work and still attempted to make the NHL a few years down the line. If he had done all that and still people protested his being signed by a team then, sure, you could more credibly ask if we consider a man's soul forever blackened by the misdeeds of his youth but what people object to is that there was no redemptive arc or meaningful opportunities missed by Mailloux. He just apologized and everything, at least from the hockey world, was immediately forgiven.

Non-consensually sharing private photos is often done as "revenge porn." That is, to harm someone, to extort them, and so on. It sounds like he just shared them with his buddies; like he was showing off. Still, a terrible (and illegal) thing to do, but not a malicious act.

For what it's worth, in the law above you'll notice that there's really no mention whatsoever about motive and whether a lack of malicious intent makes for a lesser offense. While that would certainly be considered for sentencing(and indeed the decision to charge in the first place) the law, I think rightly, says that it's largely immaterial and the focus should be on the harm to the victim rather than the offender's intentions.
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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #103 on: August 01, 2021, 02:28:48 PM »
He asked not to be drafted; Montreal didn't respect that.  If his request was genuine, could he not now simply issue a statement saying he refuses Montreal's action and will not participate with them in any way?  Sure, this leaves a bunch of league-ish questions about whether Montreal holds on to his rights until such time as he wants to make himself available (or whether, in so doing, he forfeits the opportunity to be drafted into this league at all), but if he really meant what he said, he ought to try to do something to actually make it come about.

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Re: 2021 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #104 on: August 01, 2021, 02:42:50 PM »
He asked not to be drafted; Montreal didn't respect that.  If his request was genuine, could he not now simply issue a statement saying he refuses Montreal's action and will not participate with them in any way?  Sure, this leaves a bunch of league-ish questions about whether Montreal holds on to his rights until such time as he wants to make himself available (or whether, in so doing, he forfeits the opportunity to be drafted into this league at all), but if he really meant what he said, he ought to try to do something to actually make it come about.

I believe he would go back into the draft in 2023 if he refuses to sign.

Edit: A couple ex-leafs were drafted twice, 2 years apart. Andersen and Tim Brent.
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