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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 04, 2021, 05:26:08 PM »
I was actually talking about this earlier with some friends (in relation to the Naomi Osaka quitting the French Open cos she refused to give media interviews thing).

I used to do media for my local team. I was I guess a bit like Paul Hendrick in that I was inside the organisation so I wasn’t meant to be “critical” as much as it could be avoided.

I used to do all the post game locker room interviews and all that was about was being the first media out. It’s all about that edge now with social media and driving people to our content.

As much as I tried to make it about good questions and content the better media trained players just fired out soundbytes and rarely did we get any actual good content in these interviews. Where we did get good stuff was when we had proper long form conversations with guys .

The whole media industry now is about getting one quote, turning it into a 400 word article and getting your clicks, not about actual quality content.

Good points Arn.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 04, 2021, 01:13:08 PM »
Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

What aspect of the business would you like to see changed? Teams should block media access if they don't think anyone's going to say anything interesting?

The idea that Leafs brass can't be in the least self-critical other than in an anodyne, almost self-serving way.  You all can go back to my original post to suss out what that *doesn't* mean, the point of which all your fun comments completely miss.

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Johnston's quote in the second PPP article hits the nail on the head.  Keefe ought to be getting almost as much vitriol as Marner.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:00:44 AM »
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an answer. It's how the business works. Yesterday was locker clean out/exit interview day. That's when end of season pressers are held. It's really that simple.

Steve Jobs.

Has what exactly to do with how a sports franchise manages the PR side of their business? It's not like the Leafs are announcing new products.

Not locked into the idea that "this is how our business is done and we can never ever change."

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 03, 2021, 04:57:01 PM »
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not an answer. It's how the business works. Yesterday was locker clean out/exit interview day. That's when end of season pressers are held. It's really that simple.

Steve Jobs.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 03, 2021, 03:16:40 PM »
Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy?

Because, that's how the business works.

Uh, that's not an answer.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 03, 2021, 03:11:25 PM »
What do you expect them to say? Like seriously. They say the same stuff every other team says. Not good enough, like our core. You're expecting something that is never going to happen. They all said it's not good enough but you're disappointed they didn't mention names in public? Yup that Marner kid needs to get it going. That's it we're trading a core piece.
Just because some think they need to trade one of the 4, doesn't mean it's the right move and if they plan on doing it, they're not mentioning it at the end of season presser. We'll see what happens over the summer.

Pretty much this.

It's only been like 3 days since the loss, and body of the season is barely cold on the slab, they haven't had exit interviews with the players and staff, and Shanahan/Dubas haven't met with the ownership board, so there was literally nothing else they could/should have said without going rogue putting out something emotionally regretful.

I'm sure they individually had thoughts and ideas of what to do, but why say anything until there was a thorough analysis/autopsy and identification of root causes and proposed strategic adjustments?

Well, yeah: so why hold a presser yesterday if the only thing they are going to be able or willing to dispense is platitudes?  Why not wait until they have done their autopsy? 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Media Thread
« on: June 02, 2021, 11:35:22 PM »
Shanahan and Dubas. Wow is all I can say about these two. Same sob story, excuses and pipe dreams after every demoralizing 1st round exit. F me show these 2 the door.

Just read the transcripts of their comments.  I wasn't satisfied either.  Just a bunch of generalizing and defending the process and — now we are hearing this kind of line — "there are plenty of guys who didn't win until their X year in the league and this bunch is special and they care so much that we can't give up on them."  What palaver, though I get that they can't really just completely trash people by name in a post-mortem presser. 

But what they could do is at least reference areas of the team that underperformed (not one mention of the PP??), rather than just prattle on about how disappointed in themselves they are.  (The questions, especially to Dubas, were mostly softballs....)

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General Rumours & Speculation / Re: Armchair GM 2021-2022: Catharsis
« on: June 02, 2021, 10:12:43 PM »
That was true in 2018.  He then proceeded to regress, moving resolutely and with head held high down into the freaking tarpit that is the only truly accurate description of this year's playoffs.

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Ah, good old gibberdeegook

Shame, just a couple days too late.

No kidding.  Talk about closing the barn door after the horse done left.

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I don't have any problem with bringing back Spezza, arguably among the most-value-for-money 4th liners in the league.  We just need to recognize that he could fall off the Thornton/Marleau cliff at any time, at his age into an assistant coaching position (PP) partway through the season.

FTFY

To hell with that.  Make him player/coach from the get-go and put him in charge of damn faceoffs/PP.  All the best in your future endeavors, Manny.

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I don't have any problem with bringing back Spezza, arguably among the most-value-for-money 4th liners in the league.  We just need to recognize that he could fall off the Thornton/Marleau cliff at any time, at his age.

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I could see moving Rielly if the return was decent. Then put Sandin and Lily in the lineup and let them play so they're ready for the playoffs.

I like Mikheyev, he's cheap, fast, very good defensively. Does he still have another level he can reach on offense? Is his wrist still an issue? Very similar story with Engvall. Is he a center or a winger? If he's a center maybe Kerfoot is expendable. Or is Kerfoot the guy who should play LW on line 2.

I was beating this drum LAST season. 

I like Rielly, but I really think Sandin & maybe Dermott can cover most of what he does in terms of transitioning the play.  His good showing in the playoffs make it the perfect time to trade him for some more secondary scoring.  Then you have:

Sandin / Brodie
Muzzin / Holl or Liljegren
Bogosian / Dermott or Liljegren

For Liljegren, it's tine for the Leafs to fish or cut bait.  If they really believe in him like they say they do, put him the starting line-up most nights and see how he fares.

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The MLHS postmorterm had some interesting things to say about Dermott (as in expose Holl, not him).  Dermott (like Rielly) was an unexpected bright spot in that debacle.  If he were a RHD I think it would change the whole thought process.

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Spezza looks like he could play and contribute for a couple more years.

Thornton, gotta go. Simmonds - gotta go unless he signs a minimum contract and is content with platooning with some younger players. He can't be a fixture for another season.

Simmonds is a no-go for me even on a league minimum deal.  I didn't need offense from him in the postseason but we absolutely needed physicality and he did not bring that in the least.  The most memorable physical altercations he got into were getting hit hard by Montreal.

I don't agree to the extent that I thought he was a real positive physical presence in G2.  But otherwise, you're right, he did nothing at all.  Like him, but no way should they bring him back.

Along these same lines, I think we are now done trying to wring value out of wonderful ex-Sharks.

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