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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:30:15 PM »

Which is all well and good, except that any medical expert worth an iota of his license would keep his mouth shut on back-seat diagnosing without seeing any of Reimer's lab results and without having a conversation with him to assess his status. 

I completely agree. 

Yet the fact remains there are qualified medical people who are willing, with greater or lesser caveats depending on how much chutzpah they have, to make backseat diagnoses.  And such opinions are, as I said above, speculation with a gloss of expertise.  That's not worth a lot, but it's worth more than asking a nonexpert his/her opinion.

And it doesn't cost the docs their medical license, although as I say it makes me not respect them. 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:23:10 PM »
Now, that consideration is entirely separate from whether the Star guy got any information that is of real medical value, and whether he could have reasonably expected the mother of the player to provide any information that is of real medical value.  IMO I think what he got was an opinion that is only marginally more value than any opinion you and I could form given the information that has been publicly disclosed about the nature of his injury.

Well, the way I understand it is that the question wasn't about medical specifics but rather was along the lines of "What have you been told?". That's a question just about anyone is qualified to answer. In the context here, where there are some allegations being thrown around that the Leafs are being secretive or hiding the truth then asking someone "is what they're telling you the same as what they're telling us" doesn't require a medical degree. Even if those allegations are bogus, asking someone in the know is a way to get to the bottom of it.

Now that I think of it, I think you could probably make a case that Mrs. Reimer reacted pretty reasonably. It's got to be frustrating to see her son, in his first full season, sidelined with an injury that nobody can really diagnose or put a return date on. Even if the team is being 100% accurate and truthful I can see being upset by that.

Because of that I think that Feschuk may very well be really wrong in framing her answer more as a criticism of the Leafs, which it kind of came off as, and less as a natural reaction to a frustrating situation.

But the question itself? Eh, it's fair.

I don't know how he framed the question but the intent of the interview was to find out medical information about a patient that chose not to disclose it.  (Whether Reimer was told by MLSE not to talk about it is irrelevant to the point at hand.)  Triangulating from the opinion of a family member is the same difference.

I actually have no problem with a reporter talking to anyone about these issues so long as the ensuing story states clearly that what is being reported is someone's opinion, not fact.  I personally think that Marlene Reimer's opinion about her son's injury is not much more newsworthy than if the Star showed up at a bar with a bunch of us and asked us to parse whiplash-vs-concussion.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 10:52:49 PM »
Cox: The Leafs seem to want to portray Mrs. Reimer as some kind of hayseed unwittingly entrapped by the nefarious tricks of a reporter practising yellow journalism. The tone of some of the other criticism — Don Cherry, Mike Milbury — seemed to suggest Reimer’s mother was in need of protection, the poor dear, the same kind of paternalistic, sexist crap that long kept women out of the Hockey Hall of Fame. Nonsense.

She’s a bright, intelligent woman used to giving interviews, and she had the right to offer “no comment” if she did not wish to be publicly quoted on the injury problems of her son.

She made her choice. Call my mother and ask her about my health and Joan will politely tell the questioner they’d be better to ask her son about such information. Marlene Reimer thought differently.


Cox is arrogant and I often think he's way off base.  But here I have to agree with him.  She's an adult, she's had experience with the media, and she could have just declined the interview.

Now, that consideration is entirely separate from whether the Star guy got any information that is of real medical value, and whether he could have reasonably expected the mother of the player to provide any information that is of real medical value.  IMO I think what he got was an opinion that is only marginally more valuable than any opinion you and I could form given the information that has been publicly disclosed about the nature of his injury.

That, to me, is the ethical concern here.  If you are a reporter calling up an interviewee and looking for worthwhile medical information on a 3rd party who wants (for whatever reason) to keep a condition private, there are only two ways to get it: ask a qualified doc who is willing to make an informed analysis based on publicly disclosed information, in which case what you get is speculation with a gloss of expertise, or you try to reach a person to whom you think the full situation may have been disclosed, in which case you are invading the patient's privacy.  Either way is sketchy in terms of journalistic ethics IF (and this is a big if) you represent the info obtained as being factually equivalent to full disclosure straight from the 3rd party.  Cox misses that boat entirely.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 04:43:47 PM »

What would the reason not be? If goaltending can get this team over the hump and be that much more competitive I'm all for it. They probably won't win the cup but I think they can be competitive, and I think some playoff success could do a world of good for such a young team.

To truly and fairly find out whether Gus and/or Scrivens should be in the long-term plans of the team.  My whole premise is that the team is not going to contend even if they somehow brought in a topflight goalie.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 04:08:44 PM »
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.

At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.

As the backup to whatever vet he acquires, not Reimer.

You mean to go with Scrivens once Reimer comes back? I don't think Burke will wait until Reimer gets back to get a vet. Once Reimer comes back, the vet becomes the backup and Scrivens goes down.

I don't think he will either, although IMO it's a mistake to get a vet at all for the reasons I gave in my earlier post.

And if he does bring in a vet, will that guy want to be the backup when Reimer comes back?  Unless he's Scott Clemmenson, I don't think so. 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 03:30:45 PM »
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.

At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.

As the backup to whatever vet he acquires, not Reimer.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 03:18:45 PM »
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Maybe. Maybe not.

If Reimer came back healthy soon and was playing well, I'd play him 9 of every 10 games if I was intent on making the playoffs. And I might send Scrivens down to get a bunch of games in the AHL while Gus rides the pine and might even be piggish enough to bring Scrivens up 1 out of every 10 games if he shows more over the next few games.

I'd like to see how Ben does for the next few games - to see if there's any improvement. No matter what, he's starting to look like he has more of a future than Gus right now and he needs to play.

Neither of them have proven or disproven anything because they haven't played enough games.  My position is that we should give them each a good stretch of starts to get a real fix on who should be the backup.

How people can write off Gustavsson at this point is beyond me.  Well, actually it isn't: people are "guaranteeing" the Gus would have collapsed, that he drags the team's confidence down, that he has a bad attitude ... or, as Wilson seems to believe, that he's not resilient.  In short, people are indulging in the admittedly very pleasant idle pastime of pop psychology.

I point out again that both of them are running at .500 w/l, so their actual impact on the team's fortunes is the same so far.  All the other chatter is just that, chatter.

By all means give Scrivens the next few games.  BUT, then give Gustavsson an equal amount.  Do a comparison after that and make your decision.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Reimer Injury
« on: November 16, 2011, 01:39:46 PM »
If your # 1 goalie goes down you turn to your 27 year old back-up who is in his 3rd season in the NHL. If you cannot rely on him it is either because he is not developed enough yet or because he is a bust.

I agree with Floyd. I take from that (as well as the fact that Scrivens has been getting all the starts) that Gus is a bust and his days in Toronto are numbered.

That's hard to disagree with. Development time is over for Gus. Wilson's butt is on the line. He's going to go with the guy that gives Wilson the best chance to win or pick up points.

Burke also saying that he'll look to acquire another goalie if Reimer continues on the IR pretty much seals it.

Both goalies have .500 pts win%.

Scrivens .904 save% 2.92 GAA
Gus        .878 save% 3.78 GAA

Not enough games to be fairly conclusive but Scrivens certainly has a statistical edge now.

So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The "Mr. T" Man of the Match Thread, 2011-12
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:22:52 AM »
Game #11, TOR vs. OTT: Sens 3-2.  MotM: MacArthur (unanimous).  HM: Kulemin.  Others receiving votes (in order): Grabovski, Gustavsson, Komisarek, Phaneuf.
Game #12, TOR vs. NJD: Leafs 5-3.  MotM: Lupul (unanimous).  HM: Gardiner.  Others receiving votes (in order): Grabovski, Komisarek, Liles, Connolly, Gustavsson, Kessel.
Game #13, TOR vs. CBJ: Leafs 4-1.  MotM: Scrivens.  HM: MacArthur.  Others receiving votes (in order): Gunnarsson, Lupul.
Game #14, BOS vs. TOR: Bruins 7-0.  MotM: Kulemin.  HM: Brown.  Others receiving votes (in order): Lombardi, Crabb, Gunnarsson.
Game #15, FLA vs. TOR: Panthers 5-1.  MotM: Kulemin.  HM: Kessel.  Others receiving votes (in order): Gunnarsson.
Game #16, TOR vs. STL: Leafs 3-2 SO.  MotM: Scrivens.  HM: Kessel.  Others receiving votes (in order): Bozak, Phaneuf.
Game #17, OTT vs. TOR: Senators 5-2.  MotM: Kessel.  HM: Lupul.  Others receiving votes (in order): Schenn, Bozak, Phaneuf.
Game #18, PHX vs. TOR: Coyotes 3-2 SO.  MotM: Kessel. HM: Komisarek.  Others receiving votes (in order): Lombardi, Scrivens.
Game #19, TOR vs NSH:
Game #20, WSH vs. TOR:



This is Kessel's 4th accolade in a row -- the second time he's done that. 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Gustavsson
« on: November 16, 2011, 11:14:02 AM »
Who cares what his GAA is?  He's 4-4 in the only stat that counts.....

You may want to rethink that a bit. Unless you think the team can continue to outscore its obvious problems then GAA is indeed a stat worth looking at. Gus has been a disaster just as team defense has been a disaster.

4-4 is a disaster?  Only in HyperboleWorld.

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: Goaltending conundrum
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:46:49 PM »
What, exactly, would a Nabokov or a Turco do for this club?  Make us contenders?

If not, what really is the point? 

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Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: The "Mr. T" Man of the Match Thread, 2011-12
« on: November 15, 2011, 10:35:07 PM »
Komi
Kes

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Bah.  A g/d ice/snow front knocked out the internet here with 5 to go in the game.  >:(  But I'm glad I didn't have to look at the freaking shootout.

Pretty good comeback to get a point, I guess.

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Hello to that Coalbore fellow??

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Let's cut to the chase here.  Argue all you want to about whether this or that piece of crap is Wilson's fault.  The fact is that the team hasn't gotten it done, and he's been here more than 3 years.  At some point you gas the coach.  Burke should have done it last year but he's letting friendship get in the way of a decision that any other franchise would have made long ago.  End of story.

Before or after you give him a decent goaltender? If we had Nicklas Backstrom or Pekka Rinne we wouldn't even be talking about canning Wilson.

Most coaches in the league can craft a defensive scheme that accounts for less-that-elite goaltending.    He hasn't done it.  And, just in case you have forgotten, he never got it done in SJ with far better goaltending than he got here.

In this league if you don't win, you're gone.  It's well past time to try a different coach.

Let me put the onus on you: What's the downside to firing Wilson?

So how many current coaches have won the cup? Off the top of my head: Mike Babcock, Randy Carlyle, Claude Julien, Joel Quenneville. Any more to add out of a 30 team league?

I'm not saying firing Wilson is a horrible idea. I don't really care for him as a coach. My point is that firing Wilson, imo, will not alleviate the Leafs problems. The goaltending issues will still be there until we get a proper No. 1 in place. The systems are irrelevant when your goalies are scored on on non-scoring chances.

Like I said: Quinn had Belfour and Cujo bail the team out. Burns had Potvin. Every good team has a good goaltender, not vice-versa, at least IMO, unless you want to play the trap like Tampa did.

The Leafs will still have just as many problems without Wilson as they did with Wilson, new systems or not. Maybe it'll kick start the PK% but I think better goaltending will take care of that. The PP needs work and I don't have an answer for that, but I don't know if Wilson is even headmanning that.

Those are all reasonable opinions.  Maybe we just have a difference of emphasis.  I think a new coach would almost have to result in an improvement on D and in the special teams -- they have been so bad for so long.

And of course good goaltending makes any coach better.

But Wilson is a chronic underachiever.  There's no denying it.  With all his wins he's made it to the finals once, and that was umpteen years and 2 teams ago.

There really is no downside to firing him.  And the upside is potentially high.

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